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I'm Gina, and I've lost 23 debit cards.

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I don't mean to, I'm just
an easily distracted person.

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I've been known to show up
to events on the wrong date,

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I always miss my Tube stop,

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and I cannot for the life of me
wake up in the morning

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without feeling personally attacked.

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I'm also young, I'm female,
I'm working class,

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and I'm not particularly academic -
I kind of was average in school.

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And I think these are all
some of the reasons why

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I probably never felt like I could really
'make a difference' growing up.

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But it turns out,

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with long-term things,
I'm actually pretty good,

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with big ideas.

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I might be the person
who lost 23 debit cards,

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but I'm also a law changer.

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When I was 25, I founded and ran
the national media and political campaign

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to make upskirting illegal.

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Thank you.

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(Applause) (Cheers)

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You may have heard that story by now,

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but if you have, it will have been
in clickbaity titles

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like 'I fought the law and won',
that kind of thing.

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The reality of it is,

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it is actually the most difficult
and uncomfortable period of my life.

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And I would like to take this opportunity
to share that story with you now,

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as it actually happened,

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without the fierce-feminist
shiny wrapping of it,

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but with some of the biggest lessons
we can learn along the way

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and for the last time.

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In July 2017, I was at a festival called
British Summer Time in Hyde Park.

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Me and my sister were
in a crowd of 60,000 people

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waiting for The Killers to take the stage,

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when a group of guys
started hitting on us.

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One of the guys was making
loads of gross jokes

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and generally being really weird
and harassing us,

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and we asked him to leave us alone
multiple times, but he wouldn't.

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Five minutes later,
I felt them all laughing at me.

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One of the guys
was standing in front of me,

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so I peered around
to see what he was doing.

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He was on his phone,

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and he'd been sent a really well-taken
photograph of someone's crotch

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that was taken up their skirt.

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I knew it was me straight away.

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I grabbed the phone, and I started crying,

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and I held it up and was kind
of yelling about what he'd done.

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And then a couple of people
in the crowd helped me get away,

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and I ran through that crowd
holding his phone,

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with him chasing me,
which was literally terrifying.

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I managed to get a security guard,
who protected me and called the police.

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When the police came,
they separated me and the guy,

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and they said this to me,

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'You should be able
to go to a festival at 30 degrees,

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wear a skirt, and this not happen to you.'

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But they also said,
'We've had a look at the photo.

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It shows more than you'd want it to show,
but it's not a graphic image.

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If you'd chosen not to wear knickers,
we could do something about this.

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But you did, so you
won't hear much from us.'

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They told the guy to delete the photo,
so my evidence was gone,

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and then they told us
to enjoy the rest of our night.

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And I tried to,
but I felt humiliated and sad,

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and I knew the guys were probably
just carrying on with their night,

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having a great time.

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I went home, and a few days later
I got a call from the police,

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and they told me my case was dropped.

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And I swear to God,
when I put that phone down,

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something inside me sort of snapped.

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I've been dealing with sexual harassment
for as long as I can remember,

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and I'd been brushing it off,
and I was so over it.

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I couldn't believe that there wasn't a law
covering this in some way.

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So I started to try to look into it.

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Everything I read was written
by politicians and law-makers,

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academic people who spoke with jargon,

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they don't speak like me.

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I didn't really understand
what they were fully saying.

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So I looked into law,

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and I thought I'd found
that upskirting was not a sexual offence,

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but I thought I must have got it wrong
because I'm not academic.

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So I asked a friend of mine who was
a law student to look into it for me.

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And she said, 'You're right.'

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I had found that upskirting,

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the act of taking non-consensual photos
or video up someone's clothing,

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was not a sexual offence
in England and Wales,

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but it had been in Scotland for 10 years.

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We ask a lot from
victims of sexual violence.

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We question them,

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we hold them to a higher standard
sometimes than we do perpetrators

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in the moments after an incident.

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But I had done everything asked of me.

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I'd got witnesses, I'd kicked up a fuss,
I had a photo, the phone.

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I even handed the guy into the law,
and apparently it couldn't help me.

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And this is where we learn
our first lesson:

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Women and marginalized genders
who often deal with sexual violence

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shut their mouths

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because we make it harder
for them when they're open.

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We have to stop acting

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like they're navigating
some simple and perfect system.

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They're not.

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They're navigating one that's working
against them a lot of the time.

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You see, when sexual harassment happens,
there are one of two options.

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Number one, you brush it off,
you shut your mouth.

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It happens, it is what it is.

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Number two, you do something about it,
literally anything.

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Because it's not funny,
it's not a joke, it's humiliating,

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and someone should do something about it.

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I can tell you right now
that I'm good at number one.

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Women and marginalized genders
are good at number one.

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We've been doing number one
for as long as we can remember,

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and we are really, really
bored of number one.

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Number one, I think,
has affected me more than I know.

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Because of number one,

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when I watch news stories
about this stuff,

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I start crying out of nowhere.

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When someone tells me a story
about sexual harassment,

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it somehow partly feels like it's mine
because of number one.

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And because of number one,

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I have struggled to articulate
this problem for such a long time.

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Because I'd shut my mouth about it,
and I didn't have the language.

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I'm frustrated that year after year,
number one seems like our best option.

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But what about number two?

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OK, well, number two isn't something
that people like me do really.

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Number two is for brave people,
literally amazing people,

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people who are in power,
people who didn't scrape by in school,

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people who have one debit card, I'd say.

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People who wrote those documents
I struggled to read.

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But you see, I couldn't forget it,
the upskirting thing,

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because for me it felt somehow
possible to forget, for instance,

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the hand that had been on my bum
on the Tube a year earlier,

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because that hand was no longer there -

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not easy, but possible.

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But I couldn't forget the upskirting thing
because they still had the photos.

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They probably still do now.

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It felt impossible for me to forget,
I think, because they did straight away.

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I don't think they even thought
they'd done that much wrong.

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And therein lies our problem.

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A few days later, while I was at work,

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I put up this photo of me
and my sister at the festival

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that happened to have
the guys in the background.

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I thought, 'The law can't help me,
the police can't help me,

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but maybe social media can.'

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And I asked people to share it
and identify the guys.

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And then Facebook got in contact with me

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and told me I'd violated
their community guidelines.

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Apparently, me putting this photo up
constituted harassment against the guys,

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but them taking photos up the skirt
and sharing them, no.

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I was incandescent with rage
at this point.

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Every single safety net that was meant
to have caught me hadn't,

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and the one thing I worked in
and had done for years

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that was about democracy,
community and human connection -

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social media -

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had also rejected me.

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You remember what I said about a system
that's working against you?

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Everything at this point
is forcing me back to number one,

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to brush it off, to forget
about it, 'it is what it is'.

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I think when Facebook censored me,

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I actually just got angry enough
that number one stopped being an option.

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And I'm not really embarrassed
about the anger either

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because here's our second lesson:

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Anger is a very normal response
to having your human rights compromised.

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That's important to say.

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We have to stop using it
to delegitimise people,

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with 'angry feminist'
or 'angry Black woman',

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all of these stereotypes.

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People are allowed to be angry
about this stuff.

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And we have to hold space for them there.

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We have to realise it's not about us.

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I'd been put up with, I don't know,
being shouted at from cars.

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I'd had my bum grabbed in bars.

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I had a stalking case for two years
against a guy from school

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that ended in nothing.

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When I was 19 and I worked
at a rowdy student bar,

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a security guard,
who was employed to protect me,

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felt my boobs 'to see
if I was wearing a stab-proof vest'.

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I was angry that every woman I know
has dealt with sexual harassment,

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and I was angry enough for the first time
that number two became the only option -

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to do something about it,
literally anything.

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So I started a social media campaign.

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I thought, 'OK, in work,

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if I can start a campaign to make people
care about whisky, for instance,

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I can do it with something like this
that actually matters.'

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I'd launched a petition,
I wrote Facebook ads,

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I did editorials,

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and that's when I realised this:

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Social media is the single
most important democratising tool

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we've ever had in social change.

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It can be used by anyone,
at any time, for good.

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And traditional institutions
really don't understand it,

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so you can use that.

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Almost as soon as I started
asking the question,

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'Why is upskirting not a sexual offence?'

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people started answering.

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My DMs became full of stories.

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Young girls telling me about pictures
being taken up their skirts on the Tube.

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Trans women telling me that people's
obsession with their genitals

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had lead to them being
victimised with upskirting.

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I had messages from teachers

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telling me young boys
were coming up with plans

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to get pictures of the teachers together.

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And I got messages from Japan,

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where it is such a problem
that they have redesigned phones

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so you can't turn off
the camera shutter sound.

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So women are 'alerted'
it's happening to them.

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Then I started getting messages from kids.

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And they were all coming
from the same place, I recognised -

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a school in South London

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where the teacher had been upskirting
the kids for months.

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They found thousands of photos,
but they couldn't convict him

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because what he did didn't constitute
a criminal offence under that current law.

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These kids who are messaging with me,
pleading with me to do something,

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couldn't even vote.

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They have no democratic
voice whatsoever.

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But social media gave them
a direct line to me.

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And thank God it did

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because that was when I realised
this is way bigger than me and my case.

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And instead of me
standing up and being like,

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'Someone should do something'
and pointing fingers,

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I thought, 'Alright,
I'll try and do something.

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I don't know how to do it,
but I'll try and change the law.

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I'll give it a go because maybe
I'll make it easier for someone who can.'

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Honestly, I genuinely think I just needed
somewhere to put my frustration.

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And that makes sense to me now.

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Because here's our next lesson:

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Action really is the cure for fear.

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With these things, fear and frustration
really fester in you,

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but taking an action, even if it's small,
can metabolise that back into power again.

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That's what it did for me.

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The first thing I did
when I thought about changing the law

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was I googled, I literally wrote,
'How does one change the law?'

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and nothing came up.

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And I realised I was going to have
to figure this out on my own.

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I also realised that social media
and shouting about it on there

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was great for awareness,
but it wasn't going to change the law.

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I had to get really clever and strategic.

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And to do that, I had to be
really honest with myself.

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I'm good at campaigning,
I can motivate people,

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and I understand this issue
more than anyone, really,

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but I don't really understand politics,
and I don't really understand the law.

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And those are two pretty big
pieces of the puzzle

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if you're going to go into politics
and change the law.

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So I needed to find someone who did,

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and I had to show them
that I was really serious.

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So I went mainstream with the campaign.

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I packaged up the numbers
from social media,

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and I started talking
to TV producers and editors

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showing them there was conversation
happening online.

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The first piece of media I did
was Good Morning Britain.

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Piers Morgan was sadly not in that week,

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but I did get to sit opposite
a female police officer,

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who told me that the police had
'more important things to deal with'

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and that I should wear trousers.

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At the height of those media appearances,

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I used all that publicity,
and I started contacting law firms,

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showing them my proven theory on the law
and all the public support I had.

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And then three days after I started
that, I found Ryan Whelan,

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who was a 29-year-old lawyer.

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He was a human rights fanatic,

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he was unjaded by the industry,
and he was a complete political nut.

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And we got to work together.

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We started creating a political strategy
and a media strategy

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that complemented each other.

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We looked at the Scottish Law,

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and he created the new
legislation we needed here.

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And then we went and got
the best legal authorities in the UK

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to corroborate that and stand behind it.

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We did that because it meant
when we went into Parliament,

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we were making it
as easy as possible for MPs.

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We were just giving them
a solution, not a problem.

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We met with MPs from all parties.

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That was really important to us.

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And that's because this wasn't
a Labour issue or a Conservative issue.

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It was a human issue.

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And that 's when I learnt this:

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Human rights aren't about party politics.

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Party politics is a game, I've seen it.

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Human rights are about values and morals.

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So instead of everything
being left or right,

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upskirting being a 'lefty issue',

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let's start looking up and down more.

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Who is society harder on?
Who is society easier for?

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If we start doing that,
we'll start getting work done.

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After months of meetings,

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we'd kind of built an army of MPs
in those four walls,

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and we tabled a private member's
bill to change the law.

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A year of politics ensued.

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That bill was killed and objected to
by an MP called Christopher Chope,

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who, when I asked him why,
told me, and I quote, 'He hadn't read it.'

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He said he objected on principle,
but that was disproved.

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If you ask me, he saw this as trivial -

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a lot of people do.

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And he also didn't like the young girl
coming in and getting a bill through,

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when he's tabled 47 of his own.

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That's politics.

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There are good people in there, though.

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The next day, me and Ryan met
with the Justice Minister, Lucy Frazer,

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and we tabled a government bill
that couldn't be objected to by MPs.

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We saw that bill through for a year -

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a year that I was fraught with nerves

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that this thing we'd almost done
might fall at the last hurdle.

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But thankfully, January 2019 came,

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and me, and my family, and Ryan

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squeezed in to the gallery
at the House of Lords,

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and we watched them
pass our law unamended,

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practically as we created it.

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And that's the kind of law you get

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when it's driven by someone
who has lived the problem.

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(Cheers)

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Thanks.

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(Applause)

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Then I went to the pub,
and I drank my weight in red wine,

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and I cried a lot.

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And then I danced to '90s pop,
and I ate pizza with my mum

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because that's survivors deserve.

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(Applause)

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In the eight months
after we outlawed upskirting,

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there had been one report to police
almost every single day.

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We prosecuted 10 men by Christmas.

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One was a convicted paedophile
who got two years in prison.

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Another was a man who was seen filming
under a 16-year-old girl's skirt

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at a supermarket,

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and when police arrested him, they found
250,000 indecent images of children.

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This law isn't catching upskirters.

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It's catching sexual offenders,
predators, paedophiles.

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And that's because of this next lesson:

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All misogyny and sexual
violence is connected.

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Therefore, all of it is the problem,
none of it is trivial.

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We have to remember that.

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The coverage that followed
the law change was lovely.

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It was really powerful and positive.

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And I needed that,
we needed that, I think.

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It felt good to have someone
who took on the establishment,

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who was normal and won.

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But I started to feel weird

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because the two years campaigning
wasn't actually like that.

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This was what campaigning was like.

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And I will cry, but it's OK

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because not crying
isn't about power anymore.

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You can still be powerful and cry.

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And I got online abuse, rape threats,
slut-shaming for two years.

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I still get them now.

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And I want you to read these

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as if you're reading them
about someone you love.

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Because -

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(Sniffs)

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We have to stop calling them trolls
because they're not.

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They're the people who work
in coffee shops that serve you coffee.

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They work in your offices,
they're everywhere.

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They're people who are so angry
about a woman standing up for herself

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that they will threaten her with rape.

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And there's a lot of them.

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And I know you don't want to hear this
because we never do,

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but they're all guys.

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(Cries)

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No doubt when this video goes up
on YouTube, I'll get more of them.

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And among the nice comments,
the supportive ones - because there are -

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and the hard ones,

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there will be one phrase
that comes up again and again.

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It's not the scariest I've dealt with,

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but it is the most effective
at derailing this important conversation.

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It will say, 'Not all men.'

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And to that I'll say this,

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'No, not all men, but too many.'

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Too many men, for some reason,

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feel entitled to women
and marginalized genders' bodies.

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Too many men, whether
through action or inaction,

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are perpetuating a culture of sexism

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that breeds inequality
and that leads to violence.

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And if you want to use
the phrase 'Not all men',

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how about we use it like this?

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'Not all men are calling out their friends

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when he says something to a woman
he would never say to a guy.

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Not all men are looking up these phrases,

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learning what rape culture really is,
how misogyny really operates.

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And no, not all men are perpetrators,
of course they're not.

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But all the ones who aren't
should be solving this with us.

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Because maybe if they were,
we'd be living in a society

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where when I talk to guys
or male politicians about sexual violence,

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they want to solve it with me

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more than they want to prove
that they're not the problem.

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Maybe if we were living in that world,

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when someone upskirts me
and takes photos without my consent,

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I don't have to almost lose it,

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creating a law that should
have already been there for me.'

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Because here's the thing.

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When good men do engage with this work,

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when they really want to solve this,
and they meaningfully engage, it works.

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Without Ryan as my ally,

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demanding a seat for me in Parliament,
amplifying my voice, listening to me -

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the law wouldn't have changed.

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And there are good men
that I know and love

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reading the books on gender,
feminism, racism.

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They're doing the work,
they're going to the events and listening.

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They're not waiting for a woman
to explain this stuff to them.

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But from where I stand, there's too few.

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And we need more of you.

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And that brings us onto our final
and most important lesson:

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Communities that are oppressed
should not be left to dismantle

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the thing that's been built against them.

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You have to listen to your privilege,
learn about it and use it

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and assist them in that fight.

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Look, I know listening to this is heavy,
I get it, I'm tired too.

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But I'm also positive,
and I'm strong like you are.

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And I genuinely believe we can solve this.

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Every day in this work
I get to see amazing people

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who are pushing to make
the world a better place.

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I see it all the time.

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Hate and intolerance
are very loud, they scream.

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But good people, compassionate people,
are quiet and humble.

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They're getting on with the work.

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You might not hear them,
but they're there.

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And yes, there may always be
a level of inequality,

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but we can shorten those
peaks and troughs if we want to.

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That's on me, that's on all of you.

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So when you leave this room tonight,

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have a think about
where you hold privilege -

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it might be in your job,

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as a parent, as a teacher,
or just in the colour of your skin -

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and start this work now.

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Stop laughing at the jokes,
buy the book, go to the event,

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diversify your social feeds,
ask the questions.

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Sympathy is soothing,
but it doesn't go far enough.

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Action does.

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And listen, you'll get things wrong.

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We all do, I've had some clangers.

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But it's not about perfection,
it's about progress,

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it's about doing it
because it's the right thing to do.

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We are so done with waiting for society
to 'change things' for us.

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We literally are society.

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And let's be honest,

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if someone who's lost
23 debit cards can change a law,

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then I feel like you can do something too.

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(Laughter)

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Thank you very much,
I've been Gina Martin.

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(Applause) (Cheers)