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Dialogue: 0,0:00:00.04,0:00:03.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So people have been yelling “Grow Up!” at us a lot lately.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:03.20,0:00:05.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's in a really weird context.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:05.44,0:00:07.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe you've been hearing“grow up” a lot too,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:07.16,0:00:09.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and maybe you'll recognize the context.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:09.04,0:00:09.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Quick background:
Dialogue: 0,0:00:09.84,0:00:12.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We recently made a video about the authorNeil Gaiman,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:12.08,0:00:14.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how there's really good reasonto believe he committed sexual assault
Dialogue: 0,0:00:14.80,0:00:17.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so we do believe that.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:17.80,0:00:21.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And distributed through the generalexcuse-making
Dialogue: 0,0:00:21.12,0:00:25.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and denial and apologiathat you'd expect was a theme.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:25.16,0:00:27.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People yelling “Grow Up!” at us
Dialogue: 0,0:00:27.88,0:00:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all, apparently independently, coming up with this thing
Dialogue: 0,0:00:31.00,0:00:33.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we really needed to hear.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:33.56,0:00:36.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The problem is that you guysglorify entertainers to a hero status.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:36.72,0:00:38.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You brought that on yourself.Grow up. Grow up.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:38.72,0:00:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Children have heroes.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:40.00,0:00:42.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Adults should not aspire to be another adult
Dialogue: 0,0:00:42.16,0:00:43.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Grow Up!Acknowledging that people
Dialogue: 0,0:00:43.56,0:00:46.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that move our hearts and minds have humanflaws, too, is a sign of growing up.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:46.68,0:00:48.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't even know what this video isabout.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:48.48,0:00:49.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Go back to college
Dialogue: 0,0:00:49.52,0:00:50.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Heroes are for children.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:50.92,0:00:54.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is only a problemin an infantile civilization.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:54.24,0:00:55.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Infantilisation of Western Culture.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:55.96,0:00:57.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Published August 1st.2000 and ugh
Dialogue: 0,0:00:57.28,0:00:58.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not reading all thatF***ing hell
Dialogue: 0,0:00:59.48,0:01:00.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You get the idea!
Dialogue: 0,0:01:00.36,0:01:04.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They say we're not being realistic,that we're being immature.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:04.68,0:01:05.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're children
Dialogue: 0,0:01:05.40,0:01:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,either for having heroes orfor thinking that everyone isn't a r*pist
Dialogue: 0,0:01:09.20,0:01:12.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or for thinking that celebritiesare perfect or that they're not human,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:12.92,0:01:13.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whatever that means.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:13.72,0:01:18.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Basically, if you've got an issuewith sexual assault, you need to grow up.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:18.16,0:01:19.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But why??
Dialogue: 0,0:01:19.76,0:01:21.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like this bothered meso much! Why?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:21.96,0:01:23.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why “grow up”and I know
Dialogue: 0,0:01:23.88,0:01:25.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mean people being meanon the Internet
Dialogue: 0,0:01:25.80,0:01:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,blokes who disbelieve women and defend r*pists
Dialogue: 0,0:01:28.00,0:01:30.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What's the mystery? They're just nasty.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:30.20,0:01:31.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're just nasty men.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:31.92,0:01:35.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's no sense in us setting upa whole Rube Goldberg machine in here
Dialogue: 0,0:01:35.40,0:01:36.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with a chandelier and a net
Dialogue: 0,0:01:36.64,0:01:38.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then pulling the mask off the ghoulto discover that
Dialogue: 0,0:01:38.84,0:01:41.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, it was nasty men all along.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:41.44,0:01:42.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Surely this is
Dialogue: 0,0:01:42.56,0:01:45.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as so many videos make obviousbefore you've even clicked on them
Dialogue: 0,0:01:45.56,0:01:46.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The f*cking patriarchy,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:46.84,0:01:47.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,*JINKIES!*
Dialogue: 0,0:01:47.16,0:01:50.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And yet grow up feel so specific,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:50.80,0:01:55.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so particularly fine tuned to pick oncertain vulnerabilities and flaws that we
Dialogue: 0,0:01:55.32,0:01:59.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe all feel as less than perfect adultsor as not quite normal folk.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:59.56,0:02:02.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It picks on those sensitivitieswhile simultaneously
Dialogue: 0,0:02:02.52,0:02:05.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seeming to have so littleto do with s*xual assault.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:05.64,0:02:06.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we were curious
Dialogue: 0,0:02:06.92,0:02:08.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we asked some of our YouTube friends
Dialogue: 0,0:02:08.72,0:02:10.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if they'd noticed and well...
Dialogue: 0,0:02:10.84,0:02:11.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Pillar of Garbage:Grow Up!
Dialogue: 0,0:02:11.68,0:02:15.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Hogwarts Legacy controversyslash boycott failed
Dialogue: 0,0:02:15.32,0:02:18.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because the sane peoplehave finally had enough of you
Dialogue: 0,0:02:18.44,0:02:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,terminally on the internetfreaks and
Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.00,0:02:22.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hoots:Grow Up, will you!
Dialogue: 0,0:02:22.32,0:02:25.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If we were needed to banevery children story that seemed
Dialogue: 0,0:02:25.56,0:02:28.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,outdated and problematic -Open your eyes!
Dialogue: 0,0:02:28.56,0:02:29.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Grow up. (grow up)
Dialogue: 0,0:02:29.52,0:02:30.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Talis: Grow up.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:30.32,0:02:33.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So then, seeing that these examplesalso seemed to have
Dialogue: 0,0:02:33.28,0:02:36.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something to do with naiveteand wanting to change the world
Dialogue: 0,0:02:36.36,0:02:40.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and pushing back against injustice,we were frankly even more confused!
Dialogue: 0,0:02:41.08,0:02:43.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, why we're all these peoplesaying Grow Up?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:43.96,0:02:47.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What are we doing exactlywhen we deploy insults like these?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:47.48,0:02:51.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why, without just taking the answer forgranted, is being grown up good?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:51.76,0:02:54.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And why is not being grown up bad?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:54.48,0:02:56.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do people meanwhen they invoke maturity?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:56.92,0:02:58.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It seems thatif you put yourself out there
Dialogue: 0,0:02:58.88,0:03:02.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with even the vaguest of gesturestowards justice: Boom!
Dialogue: 0,0:03:02.20,0:03:05.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there will be a great deal of naysayersangry at you,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:05.72,0:03:10.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,waiting to criticize youin a very specific and predictable way.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:10.36,0:03:12.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sarah’s voice:Your children.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:12.32,0:03:12.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Exactly.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:12.88,0:03:14.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They'll say that you’re children
Dialogue: 0,0:03:14.28,0:03:18.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sarah:No, Neil. Your children, the baby.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:18.48,0:03:19.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:19.80,0:03:24.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have children and we just had a babyand we quite like the baby.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:24.64,0:03:25.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The baby is brilliant.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:25.52,0:03:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it got us to thinking
Dialogue: 0,0:03:27.00,0:03:31.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why come people thinkthat being childlike is bad?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:31.92,0:03:33.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:33.56,0:03:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:34.00,0:03:39.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,🎵 frantic high energy Jazz drum solo 🎵
Dialogue: 0,0:03:39.76,0:03:41.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,🎵 snare roll  🎵
Dialogue: 0,0:03:43.88,0:03:49.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,🎵 drums continue 🎵
Dialogue: 0,0:04:04.92,0:04:08.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,🎵 tension on the drums builds 🎵
Dialogue: 0,0:04:11.12,0:04:14.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Have you ever said it? Yelled at someone “Grow Up!”
Dialogue: 0,0:04:14.52,0:04:17.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or said it sincerely, like,“I think you need to grow up.”
Dialogue: 0,0:04:17.88,0:04:19.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:19.04,0:04:21.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I'm guilty as charged.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:21.36,0:04:22.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think a lot of us have.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:22.76,0:04:24.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it's a very normal putdown.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:24.80,0:04:29.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's possibly the most succinct wayof saying I big and good
Dialogue: 0,0:04:29.36,0:04:33.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you small and bad,but that doesn't mean it's ineffective.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:33.76,0:04:35.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's quite maddening
Dialogue: 0,0:04:35.16,0:04:38.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and sometimes pretty hurtfuland usually incredibly frustrating
Dialogue: 0,0:04:38.52,0:04:39.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to get these comments.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:39.44,0:04:42.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think it's fair to saythey're difficult to counter.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:42.60,0:04:43.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's look at this example.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:43.68,0:04:47.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You are simply children who can't fathomthe fact that people are multifaceted.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:48.00,0:04:51.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, dude, your hair says it all.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:51.48,0:04:54.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is in response to a videoabout credible r*pe allegations.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:54.84,0:04:57.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What kind of person looks at the despair and anger
Dialogue: 0,0:04:57.68,0:04:59.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that inevitably follows a high profile
Dialogue: 0,0:04:59.44,0:05:00.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,s*xual assault case and says grow
Dialogue: 0,0:05:00.80,0:05:02.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Woman:Don’t you wave your hand at me!
Dialogue: 0,0:05:02.88,0:05:04.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wave my hand at you
Dialogue: 0,0:05:04.96,0:05:06.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Senator: when you grow up I’ll be glad to
Dialogue: 0,0:05:06.40,0:05:07.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Women:“When you grow up??”
Dialogue: 0,0:05:07.72,0:05:11.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was Senator Hatch dismissing a groupof women who opposed his endorsement
Dialogue: 0,0:05:11.76,0:05:16.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of Judge Brett Kavanaugh because Kavanaugh,you remember, credible r*pe allegations.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:16.72,0:05:21.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is a high profileexample of invoking grow up to shut down
Dialogue: 0,0:05:21.04,0:05:23.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a conversation about s*xual assault.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:23.04,0:05:28.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it is also an example of grow up as anexpression of power within a hierarchy.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:28.68,0:05:31.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You've got a sitting white male senator.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:31.04,0:05:34.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's up here operating within the grosslyunjust system,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:34.24,0:05:36.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you've got this groupof activist women
Dialogue: 0,0:05:36.08,0:05:38.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Grassroots. Speaking with nothingbut their own voices,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:38.80,0:05:40.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,attempting to call the system into question.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:40.84,0:05:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It seems to be the case that “grow up”
Dialogue: 0,0:05:43.00,0:05:46.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or more accurately, referencesto childlike behavior are common
Dialogue: 0,0:05:46.84,0:05:50.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when someone in a hierarchy is speakingto someone from a group below them.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:51.12,0:05:54.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is illustrated quite comprehensivelyby legal scholar and professor
Dialogue: 0,0:05:54.60,0:05:59.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of Constitutional Law Ruth Colkerin her paper The Power of Insults.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:59.28,0:06:00.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In it, she argues that
Dialogue: 0,0:06:00.56,0:06:02.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Legal Kimchi: the economicand political power elite
Dialogue: 0,0:06:02.92,0:06:06.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has effectively hurled insultsat civil rights activists,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:06.68,0:06:11.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,plaintiffs and their lawyersto undermine civil rights reform.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:11.24,0:06:14.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think most of us can recognizethat activists, lefties
Dialogue: 0,0:06:14.04,0:06:16.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and basically anyone tryingto create positive change in the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:16.76,0:06:21.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Those trying to push civil rights reformshave to put in much more work
Dialogue: 0,0:06:21.36,0:06:24.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than the power elitessitting on their status quo,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:24.28,0:06:27.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Overton Window-ing their way into oblivion.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:27.24,0:06:28.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But as Colker says
Dialogue: 0,0:06:28.80,0:06:31.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Legal Kimchi: insufficientattention has been paid to how the power
Dialogue: 0,0:06:31.52,0:06:35.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,elite uses the cultural tool of insultsto undermine these reforms.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:35.92,0:06:40.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As she points out, insults are partof a long tradition of class reproduction.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:40.36,0:06:44.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She takes us back to the early yearsof the USA, to the 19th century,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:44.52,0:06:47.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the time between the revolutionaryand civil wars, which was a particular
Dialogue: 0,0:06:47.92,0:06:51.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hotspot for duels of honor, a timein which
Dialogue: 0,0:06:51.48,0:06:53.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,FD Signifier:many respectable, educated men
Dialogue: 0,0:06:53.64,0:06:56.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,eagerly avengedeven the slightest of insults by
Dialogue: 0,0:06:56.68,0:07:00.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,repairing to the local field of honorand blasting holes in each other.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:00.72,0:07:03.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A lot of men,some of them very famous, were shot
Dialogue: 0,0:07:03.88,0:07:06.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in some duel over some petty insult.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:07.08,0:07:11.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am Alexander Hamiltonand I'm a fragile little gentleman.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:11.56,0:07:13.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But duels weren't universal.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:13.20,0:07:16.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If some upstart from the lower classeshappened to insult
Dialogue: 0,0:07:16.20,0:07:18.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the honor of a gentleman,this would not be followed by a duel.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:18.88,0:07:19.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, no, no, no.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:19.80,0:07:20.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This would be followed
Dialogue: 0,0:07:20.76,0:07:25.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by beating the wretch with a caneor lashing the reprobate with a horsewhip.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:25.48,0:07:28.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And funnily enough,not funny at all, actually.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:28.04,0:07:31.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is also how children have beenhistorically disciplined in respectable
Dialogue: 0,0:07:31.88,0:07:33.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Western societies,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:33.16,0:07:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in educational and religious institutionsup until very recently.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:37.00,0:07:41.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's arguable that like the impoverishedlower classes of the 19th century
Dialogue: 0,0:07:41.32,0:07:45.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,children have historicallyalso had no honor to defend.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:45.68,0:07:47.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But anyway, insults!
Dialogue: 0,0:07:47.36,0:07:49.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Colker points outhow, just like in the 1800s,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:49.80,0:07:53.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those currently in power existin a completely different world
Dialogue: 0,0:07:53.44,0:07:55.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in terms of how insults work.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:55.24,0:07:56.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She points out that insults function
Dialogue: 0,0:07:56.76,0:07:59.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,both as a distractionfrom civil rights reforms
Dialogue: 0,0:07:59.28,0:08:02.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that those insults are more likelyto be successful
Dialogue: 0,0:08:02.20,0:08:05.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because of the preexisting weaknessof the civil right in question.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:05.40,0:08:09.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is, if someone is lower on the socialhierarchy, they have to do a great deal
Dialogue: 0,0:08:09.76,0:08:14.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more proving themselves of worthas part of their response to an insult.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:14.64,0:08:16.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Putting it my own way, I would say that
Dialogue: 0,0:08:16.64,0:08:20.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if a disempowered personis dealing with the gallery, the audience
Dialogue: 0,0:08:20.20,0:08:21.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...
Dialogue: 0,0:08:21.40,0:08:25.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over insults and slings and arrows,then they have far less control
Dialogue: 0,0:08:25.20,0:08:28.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the narrativethan the person with power.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:28.24,0:08:31.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This means that the insult itselfcauses group based harm
Dialogue: 0,0:08:31.28,0:08:35.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it fuels negative stereotypesabout that disempowered group
Dialogue: 0,0:08:35.12,0:08:38.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it deflects attention awayfrom their struggles.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:38.64,0:08:43.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So surprise, surprise! There are countlessexamples of Trump doing this.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:43.24,0:08:44.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Did we want to...? Do you wanna...?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:44.56,0:08:46.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We want to talk about Trump?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:46.20,0:08:47.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are we are we talking about this?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:47.52,0:08:49.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Have we heard about this?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:50.76,0:08:51.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Trump.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:51.48,0:08:53.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is the neo-fascist playbook.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:53.76,0:08:58.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Insult anyone with integrity over and overand get the client media to report on it
Dialogue: 0,0:08:58.44,0:09:01.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and ham it up and repeat ituntil no one remembers
Dialogue: 0,0:09:01.52,0:09:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anything about that person of integrityexcept the insult that you made up.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:06.08,0:09:10.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Most people remember Trump impersonatingand mocking journalist Serge Kovaleski
Dialogue: 0,0:09:10.76,0:09:14.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at a campaign rally in 2015,flapping his arms and such.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:14.52,0:09:17.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But what Colker points out in her paper,and I'd forgotten this,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:17.68,0:09:21.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that that whole thing startedbecause Trump had made a false claim
Dialogue: 0,0:09:21.36,0:09:23.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the Muslim community in New Jersey
Dialogue: 0,0:09:23.32,0:09:27.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was cheering as the WorldTrade Center fell on 911.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:27.24,0:09:32.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Kovaleski,being a journalist, had published words
Dialogue: 0,0:09:32.20,0:09:34.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that said, No, they didn't.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:34.20,0:09:37.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The whole situation devolved into“Will this boorish behavior
Dialogue: 0,0:09:37.92,0:09:39.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,derail Trump's campaign?”
Dialogue: 0,0:09:39.48,0:09:44.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Instead of spotting that Trump had usedableism to Trojan horse Islamophobia,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:44.64,0:09:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he did it again when he mocked NFL players
Dialogue: 0,0:09:47.00,0:09:49.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for taking a kneeduring the national anthem.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:49.24,0:09:50.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Successfully distracting from
Dialogue: 0,0:09:50.68,0:09:54.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the major issue of policebrutality against Black Americans.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:54.04,0:09:57.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And again, when he described Haitianand African immigrants
Dialogue: 0,0:09:57.24,0:10:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as coming from, quote, ‘shithole countries’and describing Mexican-Americans
Dialogue: 0,0:10:01.00,0:10:05.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as drug dealers, and r*pists, all as coverfor his administration rescinding DACA
Dialogue: 0,0:10:05.64,0:10:09.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a policy that allows certain individualswho came to the United States as children
Dialogue: 0,0:10:09.48,0:10:10.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to stay in the country.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:10.48,0:10:11.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Remember that?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:11.76,0:10:13.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No. Neither does anyone else.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:13.92,0:10:17.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And all of that maybe feels like old newswhen at time of writing Elon Musk
Dialogue: 0,0:10:17.56,0:10:20.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and a bunch of fortune gobshitecronies are locked in some government
Dialogue: 0,0:10:20.96,0:10:26.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,vault, pressing Controlplus A, Delete on America.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:26.36,0:10:30.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it's very relevant because the elitedeploying insults and slander
Dialogue: 0,0:10:30.36,0:10:34.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and dehumanization is at its most rampantand shameless right now.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:34.44,0:10:37.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Returning to the nomination of BrettKavanaugh to the Supreme Court,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:37.08,0:10:38.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a Trump appointee.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:38.36,0:10:40.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At a timewhen there was ongoing
Dialogue: 0,0:10:40.08,0:10:43.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,investigations into credible allegationsof s*xual assault against Kavanaugh.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:43.76,0:10:46.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Trump, of course, mocked the alleged victim,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:47.08,0:10:48.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Dr. Christine Blasey Ford.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:48.96,0:10:49.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Trump:How did you get home?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:49.88,0:10:50.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't remember.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:50.64,0:10:51.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How did you get there?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:51.32,0:10:53.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't remember.Where is the place? I don't remember.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:53.88,0:10:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How many years ago was it?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:55.00,0:10:55.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't
Dialogue: 0,0:10:55.56,0:10:58.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Once again, using insultsto gain political advantage.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:58.28,0:11:02.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is, another conservativeRepublican judge on the Supreme Court
Dialogue: 0,0:11:02.16,0:11:05.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,now is not quite the same thing astelling me to grow up?
Dialogue: 0,0:11:06.04,0:11:07.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:07.92,0:11:08.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:09.28,0:11:09.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kind of.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:09.76,0:11:10.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It would be a mistake
Dialogue: 0,0:11:10.72,0:11:13.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to think that insults are just the thingthat the bad guys do
Dialogue: 0,0:11:14.04,0:11:15.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,many voices:Grow Up!
Dialogue: 0,0:11:15.36,0:11:19.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is growing divisionamong general online leftish folk
Dialogue: 0,0:11:19.60,0:11:21.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over whether using certain insults
Dialogue: 0,0:11:21.20,0:11:25.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is necessary to express ourselvesand show some urgency and strength
Dialogue: 0,0:11:25.56,0:11:28.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to make our pointswell and uncompromisingly.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:28.68,0:11:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or maybe insults are pretty muchalways hierarchy reproducing and
Dialogue: 0,0:11:33.12,0:11:37.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Elon Musk won't see your body shamingtweets, but your dad bod friends will.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:38.00,0:11:40.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And obviously there'salways been an ideological difference
Dialogue: 0,0:11:40.56,0:11:44.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between those who believe to whateverextent that the politics of identity
Dialogue: 0,0:11:44.24,0:11:48.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should come second to and area distraction from the politics of class.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:48.48,0:11:50.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At it's most clichedand stripped of nuance
Dialogue: 0,0:11:50.52,0:11:53.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's a blue haired wokeyarguing with a tankie
Dialogue: 0,0:11:53.12,0:11:55.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,both of which are insultsthat never seem to actually land
Dialogue: 0,0:11:55.88,0:11:59.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or hurt anyone because, you know,they're very silly.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:59.64,0:12:01.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Communists respond to being called “Tankies”
Dialogue: 0,0:12:01.84,0:12:04.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the way that gay people respondto being called “sodomites.”
Dialogue: 0,0:12:04.44,0:12:07.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, what did you just call me?
Dialogue: 0,0:12:07.04,0:12:08.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's so cute.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:08.44,0:12:12.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A Tankie?? Oh,  I'm a sodomite!
Dialogue: 0,0:12:12.40,0:12:12.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, I am.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:12.96,0:12:14.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So given that bit of noise,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:14.28,0:12:17.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are actually only a few thingsthat I can say definitively about insults.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:17.52,0:12:19.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One, this is not a well-studied area.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:19.92,0:12:21.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We basically can't saywith any confidence,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:21.60,0:12:24.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether it's practice to go lowor it's counterproductive to go high.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:24.56,0:12:25.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We just don't seem to know.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:25.92,0:12:30.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Another is, as I said earlier, thatinsults are a useful tool for power elites
Dialogue: 0,0:12:30.60,0:12:33.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that they are deployedby the enemies of the working class
Dialogue: 0,0:12:33.12,0:12:37.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and of disenfranchized people to distractfrom and sabotage civil rights reforms.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:37.92,0:12:40.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it is interesting that Ruth Colkerin her conclusion,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:40.92,0:12:44.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doesn't fall one way or the other onthe go low go high dichotomy.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:44.20,0:12:48.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She doesn't recommend that we do insultsor that we do not do insults.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:48.44,0:12:51.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She recommends a contextual approach.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:51.48,0:12:54.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She suggests that we ask,what is the context of the insult?
Dialogue: 0,0:12:55.00,0:12:56.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What are we trying to achieve?
Dialogue: 0,0:12:56.36,0:12:57.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think that's smart.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:57.48,0:12:58.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Adding to that,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:58.40,0:13:02.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can infer from her paperthat it might be smart for us to hold onto
Dialogue: 0,0:13:02.48,0:13:06.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and focus on the original strugglebefore the Trumps and Musks of this world
Dialogue: 0,0:13:06.88,0:13:11.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,turn any given emancipatory thinginto a nonsense ad hominem game.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:11.40,0:13:14.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we should learn from what happenedwith Serge Kovaleski and keep our eyes
Dialogue: 0,0:13:14.64,0:13:17.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the goal as it existedbefore all the distraction tactics.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:17.72,0:13:18.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But importantly,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:18.84,0:13:22.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as much as we don't know whether insultsunambiguously reproduce hierarchy,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:22.44,0:13:26.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we can say with some confidencethat they reproduce social groups
Dialogue: 0,0:13:26.48,0:13:28.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in-groups and out-groups.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:28.40,0:13:31.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, this is not necessarily a bad thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:31.32,0:13:33.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is not necessarily a good thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:33.48,0:13:35.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is a thing thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:35.20,0:13:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As professor of psychology,Karina Korostelina puts it:
Dialogue: 0,0:13:38.00,0:13:40.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hoots: An insult is a social act
Dialogue: 0,0:13:40.08,0:13:42.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,constructed mutually by social groups
Dialogue: 0,0:13:42.40,0:13:44.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the boundary between them.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:44.32,0:13:45.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which is to say,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:45.88,0:13:48.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of the ways that we createand reinforce social groups
Dialogue: 0,0:13:48.48,0:13:51.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the differencesbetween those groups is through insults.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:52.00,0:13:53.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which got me to thinking.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:53.80,0:13:55.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When someone says Grow Up.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:55.88,0:13:58.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is the in-group?And what is the outgroup?
Dialogue: 0,0:13:59.16,0:14:01.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not adults and children, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:14:01.48,0:14:04.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't think that these commentersare accusing Sarah and I
Dialogue: 0,0:14:04.56,0:14:07.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of being actual children, especially since
Dialogue: 0,0:14:07.64,0:14:11.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sarah was visibly pregnantand I look f***ing old.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:11.48,0:14:14.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Have you seen these new video essayiststhey've got these days?
Dialogue: 0,0:14:14.24,0:14:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tirrrb and José María Luna?Skin like baby angels.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:18.04,0:14:19.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No they're not saying that we’rechildren.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:19.88,0:14:23.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're saying we're something else,something child like.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:23.88,0:14:27.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so they tell me to grow upthat everybody in the world is corrupt.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:27.48,0:14:28.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So hush and shush.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:28.88,0:14:29.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if you're trying
Dialogue: 0,0:14:29.52,0:14:33.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to push for justice, rest assuredwe can't because it's just the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:33.24,0:14:35.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you better get more mature.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:35.40,0:14:38.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sarah, I feel like an awful tosser doingall this Hamilton stuff, I really, it's
Dialogue: 0,0:14:38.84,0:14:39.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tremendously cringe.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:39.84,0:14:43.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I once again looked throughthe comments and tried to find a theme.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:43.20,0:14:44.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know I'm a glutton for punishment,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:44.76,0:14:48.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it was important to understandwhat “Grow Up” means.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:48.84,0:14:50.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then I remembered.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:50.08,0:14:50.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've said it.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:50.80,0:14:52.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:52.20,0:14:53.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What did I mean?
Dialogue: 0,0:14:53.32,0:14:56.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I remember I meant grow up like
Dialogue: 0,0:14:56.28,0:14:59.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be more Irish, be more like me.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:59.64,0:15:03.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It had been during a fight with Sarahabout parenting because Sarah is American
Dialogue: 0,0:15:03.88,0:15:07.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm Irish, and American cultureseems to put romantic partners
Dialogue: 0,0:15:07.64,0:15:09.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and offspring on an equal footing.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:09.48,0:15:11.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whereas, like, Irish cultureis a little more oriented
Dialogue: 0,0:15:11.80,0:15:13.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around babies and reproduction.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:13.36,0:15:17.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we value the children in a familykind of over the adults, it seems to me.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:17.64,0:15:18.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sound off in the comments
Dialogue: 0,0:15:18.60,0:15:20.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you think I'm wrong about that,or if you think one or the other
Dialogue: 0,0:15:20.76,0:15:23.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of those two cultures is repugnant.I think it's just a difference.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:23.64,0:15:26.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At least, I think it’s just a difference
Dialogue: 0,0:15:26.12,0:15:28.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I'm not arguing  with someone about it,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:28.40,0:15:31.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but when someone else is sayingthat my culture is wrong
Dialogue: 0,0:15:31.48,0:15:33.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I have to arguethat their culture is wrong,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:33.84,0:15:36.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is a tool at my disposalwell within reach.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:36.76,0:15:38.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Grow Up.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:38.08,0:15:40.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's only one objective answer here.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:40.28,0:15:42.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The one that the grown upsare willing to admit to.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:42.60,0:15:46.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And with that insight, I could see thatthese comments did fit a pattern,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:46.68,0:15:48.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not an immediately obvious pattern,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:48.56,0:15:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but one which revealed a lot aboutour implicit understanding of society
Dialogue: 0,0:15:52.20,0:15:55.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the world. Hierarchies we share in common
Dialogue: 0,0:15:55.08,0:15:58.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so deeply and unknowinglythat we rarely glimpse them.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:58.80,0:16:00.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Grow Up,as it turns out
Dialogue: 0,0:16:00.64,0:16:02.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a very special kind of insult.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:02.84,0:16:05.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But in order to understand why,we need to move on to the next
Dialogue: 0,0:16:05.72,0:16:10.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,most obvious question,why is it even a problem to be childlike?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:10.20,0:16:11.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why is this an insult?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:11.36,0:16:12.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why is it bad?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:12.16,0:16:15.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why? Of all of the possible waysthat we could group people together,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:16.04,0:16:18.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do we hate this group?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:18.36,0:16:19.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Children.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:19.96,0:16:22.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,🎵 bass note 🎵
Dialogue: 0,0:16:22.44,0:16:24.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So why get bent out of shape
Dialogue: 0,0:16:24.20,0:16:26.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about being told to grow up?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:26.52,0:16:27.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, this is actually bollocks.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:27.72,0:16:28.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,🎵  Jazz drum solo 🎵
Dialogue: 0,0:16:28.32,0:16:29.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is actually bollocks
Dialogue: 0,0:16:29.24,0:16:31.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because by the time we get tothe conclusion,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:31.52,0:16:34.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're not going to be talking aboutinsults at all.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:34.28,0:16:35.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's like a red herring, you know.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:35.68,0:16:37.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sarah: Why don't you talk about something positive?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:37.40,0:16:38.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Insults are just a negative bit.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:38.80,0:16:41.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we need something uplifting.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:41.52,0:16:42.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Neil: I mean, look.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:42.20,0:16:44.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're going totalk about nice, hopeful love things.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:45.00,0:16:48.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's just that and the first commentthat we're going to get is going to be
Dialogue: 0,0:16:48.96,0:16:51.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why are you talking about thiswhen the world is on -
Dialogue: 0,0:16:51.56,0:16:53.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this shouldn't be here, sweetheart.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:53.40,0:16:58.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why are you talking about childism when,like, you know, we're all going to die?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:58.92,0:16:59.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't mean - I'm sorry Sarah: besides
Dialogue: 0,0:16:59.96,0:17:02.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if we set ourselves upto only talk about the worst things.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:02.56,0:17:04.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's all we'll ever talk about.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:04.20,0:17:06.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And people still won't be happy.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:06.76,0:17:08.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,🎵  jazz hihat 🎵
Dialogue: 0,0:17:08.96,0:17:11.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're gettingtoo caught up in the commenters again.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:12.00,0:17:13.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Both:Just talk about children.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:19.92,0:17:22.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Have you noticed thatit's kind of socially acceptable
Dialogue: 0,0:17:22.24,0:17:26.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to say you hate childrenor at least to say you don't like them?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:26.48,0:17:29.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's definitely socially acceptableto say that you don't want them around
Dialogue: 0,0:17:30.00,0:17:31.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to shoot a look of disdain
Dialogue: 0,0:17:31.52,0:17:35.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at a traveling companion because you'vespotted a baby on an airplane.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:35.56,0:17:39.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or to judge the parenting of a childwho's crying at the grocery store,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:39.16,0:17:43.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or to suspiciously keep an eyeon a group of teenagers at the movies.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:43.44,0:17:46.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Adult-only spaces are normative,and even spaces which allow children do
Dialogue: 0,0:17:46.92,0:17:48.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so only if they're well-behaved.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:48.72,0:17:50.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is itsocially acceptablefor a crying baby
Dialogue: 0,0:17:50.64,0:17:53.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be in a fancy restaurant?Or would you expect that
Dialogue: 0,0:17:53.08,0:17:55.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their mother would whisk them outuntil they calmed down?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:55.92,0:17:59.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe judge her for bringing a babythere in the first place?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:59.52,0:18:00.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Look it up.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:00.28,0:18:05.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Search the phrase I hate childrenbecause I did that and it wasn't good.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:05.96,0:18:07.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People are mean.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:07.32,0:18:10.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People are mean to babies.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:10.04,0:18:13.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I found screeds at various levelsof professionalism, disliking children
Dialogue: 0,0:18:13.28,0:18:17.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for being boring or loud.Disliking them, for taking up space,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:17.12,0:18:20.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,blaming parents for being too laxabout discipline, opining that children
Dialogue: 0,0:18:20.68,0:18:24.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should not be allowed in publicuntil they learn to act properly.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:24.96,0:18:26.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So here's an example.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:26.36,0:18:29.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A paper out of Australia documentedthat during a public debate
Dialogue: 0,0:18:29.40,0:18:32.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about whether dogs should be allowed incafes, the conversation
Dialogue: 0,0:18:32.64,0:18:36.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,quickly turned from dogswho were ultimately doing fine to children
Dialogue: 0,0:18:36.72,0:18:42.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who were seen as the real threatto peace, enjoyment and public order.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:42.28,0:18:44.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The paper quotesone person's take on the matter.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:44.68,0:18:46.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Talis:I'd really like to see it go further
Dialogue: 0,0:18:46.32,0:18:49.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and remove all children from public areas.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:49.04,0:18:51.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Holiday spots and traveling optionsshould be classed as
Dialogue: 0,0:18:51.64,0:18:53.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for and not for children.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:53.64,0:18:57.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Make these disgusting things, travelin their own special carriages and planes
Dialogue: 0,0:18:57.24,0:18:58.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and live in their own areas.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:58.92,0:19:00.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The world would be a much better place
Dialogue: 0,0:19:00.60,0:19:04.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if all children were just locked upuntil they were old enough to behave.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:04.44,0:19:07.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This idea that children a class of people
Dialogue: 0,0:19:07.16,0:19:10.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should be confined to privatespheres is somehow not controversial.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:10.84,0:19:13.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For young children,this discrimination is justified
Dialogue: 0,0:19:13.08,0:19:16.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by evoking their disruptivenessor vulnerability.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:16.12,0:19:19.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Either that they're too unrulyto be allowed access to public space
Dialogue: 0,0:19:19.04,0:19:21.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or that they're too vulnerable, easily corrupted
Dialogue: 0,0:19:21.44,0:19:24.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or stealable or otherwise hurtby being allowed in public.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:24.60,0:19:29.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Older children, however, are not seenas vulnerable, but instead as criminal.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:29.28,0:19:30.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As one paper puts it:
Dialogue: 0,0:19:30.44,0:19:32.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rohan Davis:after around age twelve
Dialogue: 0,0:19:32.84,0:19:36.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,adult society recognizeschildren, particularly children of color,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:37.04,0:19:42.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,no longer as helpless pieces of property,but instead as the reckless criminals
Dialogue: 0,0:19:42.48,0:19:45.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,devoid of any sense of responsibility
Dialogue: 0,0:19:45.60,0:19:48.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or understanding of their lives.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:48.56,0:19:53.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As a result, young people are drivenout of public spaces.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:53.48,0:19:58.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Teenagers are routinely overtly profiledor kept from accessing public space.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:58.56,0:20:01.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Think of the Mosquito, a devicewhich emits a high pitched ring
Dialogue: 0,0:20:01.96,0:20:04.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which teenagers can hear but adults can't.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:04.56,0:20:05.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Installing the Mosquito
Dialogue: 0,0:20:05.84,0:20:09.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in parks or outside of buildingsprevents teenagers from “loitering.”
Dialogue: 0,0:20:09.84,0:20:12.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, the crime of appearing in publicwithout spending money.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:12.36,0:20:15.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is a particularly impactfullimitation for teenagers
Dialogue: 0,0:20:15.36,0:20:19.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who tend to have very little moneyand very few places to go.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:19.60,0:20:23.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The mosquito is widely used in Australia,North America and Europe,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:24.00,0:20:26.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,despite the fact that it contravenesarticles on human
Dialogue: 0,0:20:26.72,0:20:29.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rights from both the European Conventionon Human Rights
Dialogue: 0,0:20:29.72,0:20:33.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the International Covenanton Economic, Social and Cultural Rights,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:34.00,0:20:37.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that it's capable of causing childrenphysical harm
Dialogue: 0,0:20:37.88,0:20:42.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with symptoms such as dizziness, headache,nausea and sensory impairment.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:42.96,0:20:47.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The risk is greatest for non-speakingchildren and infants who may be exposed to
Dialogue: 0,0:20:47.72,0:20:51.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the sound for prolonged periods of timeby parents who can't hear it themselves.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:51.80,0:20:54.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so they don't know whytheir child is in distress.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:54.48,0:20:55.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And yes,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:55.76,0:20:59.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this bias against children is impactedby other mechanisms of marginalization,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:59.92,0:21:01.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially race and class.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:01.84,0:21:04.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Spaces that privileged children can access freely
Dialogue: 0,0:21:04.56,0:21:06.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like parks or schools are often inaccessible
Dialogue: 0,0:21:06.88,0:21:08.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to children from minority groups.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:08.64,0:21:09.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here in Ireland,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:09.60,0:21:13.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Traveler children are technically invitedto attend public schools,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:13.40,0:21:17.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they face persistent discriminationranging from more benign erasure,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:18.00,0:21:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their culture and language is absentfrom the Irish curriculum
Dialogue: 0,0:21:21.08,0:21:24.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the more extreme forms of hostilityfrom classmates and teachers.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:24.96,0:21:26.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The result means that Traveler children
Dialogue: 0,0:21:26.60,0:21:29.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are incentivizedto leave school at an early age.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:29.08,0:21:30.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As one traveler put it:
Dialogue: 0,0:21:30.40,0:21:32.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Caelan Conrad:my parents wanted me to go to school,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:32.36,0:21:36.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but because of the discriminationthat there was in secondary school, I left
Dialogue: 0,0:21:36.48,0:21:38.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,after six months of secondary school.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:38.76,0:21:40.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just couldn't stick it.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:40.44,0:21:41.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was really good at school.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:41.92,0:21:43.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was never in trouble.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:43.36,0:21:45.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was never sent home.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:45.48,0:21:47.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They used to call me (slur)
Dialogue: 0,0:21:47.20,0:21:49.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or you're a dirty (slur)
Dialogue: 0,0:21:49.84,0:21:51.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Go wash herself.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:51.12,0:21:55.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Racialized children are, in fact,frequently denied childhood altogether.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:56.00,0:21:58.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Elliot Sang: Racial bias treats Black children
Dialogue: 0,0:21:58.04,0:21:59.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as physically stronger,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:59.36,0:22:03.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more sexually knowledgeable,less innocent, less sensitive to pain,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:03.56,0:22:06.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and more culpable than white children.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:06.60,0:22:11.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This exclusion shows that entitlementto the ideal of childhood is not a given,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:11.48,0:22:16.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but is instead a privilege that is largelyexclusive to white children.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:16.64,0:22:18.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is somethingwe should all be familiar with
Dialogue: 0,0:22:18.68,0:22:21.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through high profile cases like 12 year old
Dialogue: 0,0:22:21.80,0:22:26.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tamir Rice, who was playing with a toy gunin a park when police officers shot him.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:26.20,0:22:29.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or Trayvon Martin,a 17 year old walking in public shot
Dialogue: 0,0:22:29.80,0:22:33.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by a vigilante for the crimeof walking home from a convenience store.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:33.64,0:22:36.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The man who shot him, George Zimmerman,who in his spare time paints
Dialogue: 0,0:22:36.60,0:22:39.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,imageslike this, was acquitted of all charges.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:40.00,0:22:43.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The jury clearly agreeingthat an unarmed black child walking
Dialogue: 0,0:22:43.84,0:22:48.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,out of the store constituted behaviorsuspicious enough to justify murder.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:48.52,0:22:53.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Seemingly paradoxically, Black adultsare often viewed as more childlike.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:53.76,0:22:56.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Showing the mutabilityof these categories.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:56.20,0:23:01.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How we invoke adulthood to make racializedchildren appear dangerous
Dialogue: 0,0:23:01.76,0:23:04.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but invoke childhood to make adults seem
Dialogue: 0,0:23:04.48,0:23:08.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as if they're undeserving of rights.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:08.12,0:23:10.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In either case, we're using age
Dialogue: 0,0:23:10.80,0:23:15.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a mechanism of control and terror.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:15.32,0:23:16.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But thankfully,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:16.64,0:23:20.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's a philosophical movement meant toquestion the morality of this assertion.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:21.00,0:23:23.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's called Childism, and it's exciting.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:23.76,0:23:24.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's new.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:24.68,0:23:26.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's compatible with leftist goals.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:26.76,0:23:28.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it feels congruent
Dialogue: 0,0:23:28.04,0:23:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with a lot of the stuff we've beenexploring over the last couple of years.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:32.16,0:23:36.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But before we go on in the style of bettervideo essays,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:36.32,0:23:38.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we must outline the term
Dialogue: 0,0:23:38.48,0:23:41.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so childism can refer to two distinct concepts.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:42.08,0:23:44.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The first is discriminationagainst children.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:44.56,0:23:47.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's an “ism”the way that racism describes
Dialogue: 0,0:23:47.24,0:23:49.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,discrimination against people of different races.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:49.80,0:23:52.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The second conception of childism is a philosophy
Dialogue: 0,0:23:52.80,0:23:55.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one that proposes more egalitarian relations
Dialogue: 0,0:23:55.36,0:23:56.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between adults and children.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:57.00,0:24:00.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is an “ism” in the way that feminismproposes more egalitarian relations
Dialogue: 0,0:24:01.00,0:24:02.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between genders.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:02.60,0:24:07.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In this essay, when we say childism,we'll be referring to the philosophy
Dialogue: 0,0:24:07.64,0:24:09.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the foundational ideathat children are people
Dialogue: 0,0:24:09.84,0:24:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and more importantly, the responsibilitythat we have to reconfigure society
Dialogue: 0,0:24:14.16,0:24:17.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that it servesthe needs of both children and adults.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:17.12,0:24:19.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because right nowit only serves the latter.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:19.24,0:24:20.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And children are people.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:20.84,0:24:22.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Really take that in for a second.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:22.28,0:24:24.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Children are people.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:24.60,0:24:27.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It doesn't sound revolutionaryto say that children are people,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:27.56,0:24:31.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but when you stop to consider the waywe currently operate, it becomes clear
Dialogue: 0,0:24:31.52,0:24:33.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we don't see children as people.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:33.72,0:24:37.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We see them as future adultsor almost people.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:37.36,0:24:40.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This goes all the way back to Aristotle,who argued that an organism's
Dialogue: 0,0:24:40.96,0:24:45.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mature form is its definitional form,fulfilling its actual purpose.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:45.24,0:24:48.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All of the stages leading up to thatare oriented to the goal of adulthood.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:49.00,0:24:52.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Though rather than seeing this as anAristotelian conception, we're likelier
Dialogue: 0,0:24:52.64,0:24:55.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to view children through a lensof developmental psychology.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:55.88,0:24:59.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As someone who has not yetdeveloped their full capacity
Dialogue: 0,0:24:59.08,0:25:02.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for empathyor their real eyesight abilities,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:02.48,0:25:07.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is how Piaget described childrenas existing at various stages of being.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:07.80,0:25:13.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Where those stages are defined by deficitwhen compared to an imagined adult norm.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:13.56,0:25:17.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And even if we don't consciouslythink of children as deficient adults,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:17.52,0:25:20.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we often see them as beingsin the process of becoming
Dialogue: 0,0:25:21.08,0:25:24.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who should be nurtured in that processby those of us in power:
Dialogue: 0,0:25:24.48,0:25:28.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Adults. Until such a time thatthat child develops their full abilities
Dialogue: 0,0:25:29.00,0:25:31.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and crosses the thresholdinto adulthood themselves.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:31.88,0:25:33.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Grows up.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:33.48,0:25:36.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We often think of the childas a sort of evolution in miniature.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:36.92,0:25:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First, you're a babyand you can't see well,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:40.00,0:25:42.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can't speak, you can't walk, etc.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:42.20,0:25:43.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then you're a toddler.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:43.44,0:25:45.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can speak, You can walk a bit,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:45.40,0:25:49.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you can't really engage with long termplans or complex operations.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:49.20,0:25:51.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then you're a child, then a teenager.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:51.92,0:25:54.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Always there are developmental milestonesyou are supposed to hit.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:55.08,0:25:56.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And finally, adulthood.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:56.64,0:25:58.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You've reached your final form.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:58.44,0:26:02.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is a philosophical conceptcalled recapitulation, that the development
Dialogue: 0,0:26:02.24,0:26:06.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of an individual child mirrorsthe phylogeny of the human species.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:06.52,0:26:09.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And like with the modernist misconceptionof evolutionary theory,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:09.96,0:26:12.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we believe that the ultimate form is the best one,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:12.72,0:26:14.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the one to strive for
Dialogue: 0,0:26:14.40,0:26:15.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Blastoise
Dialogue: 0,0:26:15.96,0:26:17.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is the reason peopletell us to grow up.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:17.76,0:26:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's unseemly for us tostill not have progressed to adulthood.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:21.24,0:26:24.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it's a mistake to view evolutionhierarchically.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:24.72,0:26:26.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Apes are not better than monkeys.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:26.16,0:26:28.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are adaptedto different environments.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:28.40,0:26:31.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there's actuallyno such thing as a Blastoise
Dialogue: 0,0:26:31.52,0:26:33.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Likewise, Social Darwinism
Dialogue: 0,0:26:33.48,0:26:35.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was a misapplicationof evolution.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:35.72,0:26:36.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Viewing some societies
Dialogue: 0,0:26:36.88,0:26:40.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as more evolved than otherswhen they were just differently adapted.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:40.92,0:26:44.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The idea that you are not a personuntil you have hit these developmental
Dialogue: 0,0:26:44.64,0:26:48.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,milestones is essentially the sameas you not being a person.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:48.84,0:26:52.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you're non-normativeand have, for example, a disability,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:52.52,0:26:54.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe you have poor eyesightlike an infant,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:54.80,0:26:57.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe you have poor social skillslike a young child,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:57.36,0:27:00.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe you have poor emotional managementskills like a teenager.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:00.64,0:27:04.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ableism interacts with Adultismso strongly that they start to feel like
Dialogue: 0,0:27:04.80,0:27:06.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,almost the same thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:06.12,0:27:11.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The idea that respect is only earnedvia growth to this ideal of adult,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:11.60,0:27:15.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a physicallyand emotionally independent being.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:15.64,0:27:17.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Zoe Bee: Childism dissolves this
Dialogue: 0,0:27:17.56,0:27:19.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dichotomy of independent adults
Dialogue: 0,0:27:19.64,0:27:23.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and dependent young childrenby emphasizing mutual dependency
Dialogue: 0,0:27:23.92,0:27:27.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on various levelsas a fundamental to human existence.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:27.88,0:27:30.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Human beings, emotions,and agency
Dialogue: 0,0:27:30.04,0:27:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are shaped through relationsto other human beings
Dialogue: 0,0:27:33.00,0:27:37.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to their emotions and agency,as well as to non-humans.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:37.32,0:27:40.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is, animals, microbiomes,the climate, etc..
Dialogue: 0,0:27:40.80,0:27:45.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This challenges the notion of libertyand freedom and raises the question
Dialogue: 0,0:27:45.24,0:27:49.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what does freedom actuallymean in the light of the understanding
Dialogue: 0,0:27:49.48,0:27:54.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of social and more than social relationsas characterized by interdependence
Dialogue: 0,0:27:54.20,0:27:58.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in light of children's experienceand practices of this interdependence
Dialogue: 0,0:27:58.80,0:28:03.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between human beings as well as betweenhumans and non-human species,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:03.08,0:28:08.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and materiality, child ism asks us to stopequating dependance with subservience,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:08.80,0:28:11.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but rather to see all of usas partially dependent
Dialogue: 0,0:28:11.56,0:28:16.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and partially independentin ever changing webs of interdependence.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:16.88,0:28:20.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even the most independent personis still dependent on human society,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:21.00,0:28:24.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and any period of relative independenceis going to be brief.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:24.92,0:28:28.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sandwiched between starting off as babiesand experiencing
Dialogue: 0,0:28:28.44,0:28:30.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,increasing forms of disability.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:30.12,0:28:34.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So why not abolish the hierarchyand embrace the fact that nothing we do
Dialogue: 0,0:28:34.32,0:28:35.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is ever really independent?
Dialogue: 0,0:28:35.64,0:28:38.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even for babies,as I've just learned with breastfeeding.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:38.56,0:28:40.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a cooperative effort
Dialogue: 0,0:28:40.08,0:28:44.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between the baby and I, with both of uslearning and adjusting for the other.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:44.16,0:28:45.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In order for it to work.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:45.68,0:28:48.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not something that I can impose onthe baby.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:48.92,0:28:52.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Childism at its most basic points outthat children are people.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:52.40,0:28:53.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Children are people.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:53.28,0:28:54.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My baby is a person
Dialogue: 0,0:28:54.48,0:28:58.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with a physical experience of the worldand a social experience of the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:58.92,0:29:02.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They have needs that differfrom adult needs and that does not make
Dialogue: 0,0:29:02.40,0:29:04.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those needs any less important.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:05.40,0:29:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They have a rightto express themselves socially
Dialogue: 0,0:29:09.00,0:29:13.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without that expressionbeing taken as distasteful,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:13.20,0:29:16.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without their social experiences, needsor self-expression
Dialogue: 0,0:29:17.04,0:29:21.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being reduced to some inconveniencefor whatever adults are nearby.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:22.04,0:29:27.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if we are really ready to wrestlewith this, what would it look like?
Dialogue: 0,0:29:27.36,0:29:31.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To say that children have rightsthat babies have rights?
Dialogue: 0,0:29:31.40,0:29:34.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In some ways it makes usrethink what we mean by rights,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:34.64,0:29:38.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I don't think my infants should becasting a ballot in the voting booth.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:38.72,0:29:41.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not only because I don't thinkthat that would benefit society,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:41.44,0:29:43.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but because I don't thinkit would benefit them.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:43.68,0:29:47.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't think that when a kid wantsto exclusively eat ice cream, their parent
Dialogue: 0,0:29:47.20,0:29:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is violating their foundational humanrights if she makes them eat some carrots.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:52.08,0:29:54.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But those examples reflecta misconception of rights
Dialogue: 0,0:29:54.44,0:29:57.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is very individualisticand taken to their extreme.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:57.60,0:30:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They lead us to some very uncomfortable places.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:00.00,0:30:03.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I frequently cite Firestonede Beauvoir and Foucault on this channel,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:03.60,0:30:05.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and while I really likea lot of their work,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:05.44,0:30:09.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they all tackle this phenomenonand end up in, frankly, the wrong place.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:09.08,0:30:11.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All of them are uncomfortablewith hierarchy
Dialogue: 0,0:30:11.16,0:30:13.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and all of themwant children to be our equals.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:13.12,0:30:16.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But they seem to get stuck on the ideathat treating children as equals involves
Dialogue: 0,0:30:16.76,0:30:18.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,giving them free rein
Dialogue: 0,0:30:18.32,0:30:20.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because in many ways they conceive of freedom
Dialogue: 0,0:30:20.52,0:30:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as the benchmark right
Dialogue: 0,0:30:22.00,0:30:23.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And some of their writing
Dialogue: 0,0:30:23.16,0:30:26.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gets unconscionable when they, to different extents,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:26.36,0:30:30.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,explore this in the context of adultand children sexual relations.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:30.68,0:30:33.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I know that all philosophy,when taken to an extreme,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:33.36,0:30:34.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can sound problematic,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:34.24,0:30:37.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but Simone, Shulamith, Michele,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:37.92,0:30:41.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So what if instead of valuing freedomor independence
Dialogue: 0,0:30:41.16,0:30:44.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as the ultimate benchmark of respect,we pick different rights?
Dialogue: 0,0:30:44.48,0:30:45.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like Care?
Dialogue: 0,0:30:45.40,0:30:48.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the right to be cared for, the right to have one's needs met.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:48.24,0:30:49.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That right is the same,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:49.88,0:30:51.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether we’re talking about an adult or a child,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:51.88,0:30:53.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we all need shelter, food, connection
Dialogue: 0,0:30:53.60,0:30:56.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or what about the right to community?
Dialogue: 0,0:30:56.72,0:30:58.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the right to haveyour needs be considered
Dialogue: 0,0:30:58.76,0:31:01.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when making group decisions,the right to access spaces,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:01.76,0:31:03.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the right tohave your voice hear
Dialogue: 0,0:31:03.72,0:31:06.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the right to be a participant in the world
Dialogue: 0,0:31:06.24,0:31:08.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rather than just have the worldimpact you.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:08.72,0:31:09.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So how would this look?
Dialogue: 0,0:31:09.80,0:31:13.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, I'm an immigrantand so my assumptions about how life works
Dialogue: 0,0:31:13.92,0:31:16.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,get challenged all the timebecause certain
Dialogue: 0,0:31:16.84,0:31:20.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,aspects of lifework quite differently here in Ireland.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:20.20,0:31:25.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And children are treated much differentlyhere than they are in the US.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:25.12,0:31:29.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As an example, let's look at thatvery Irish center of community:
Dialogue: 0,0:31:29.60,0:31:30.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Pub.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:30.60,0:31:33.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Pubs have the same componentsas bars in the US.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:33.60,0:31:36.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They may have racks of hard alcohol.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:36.16,0:31:38.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They may have televisions playing sports.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:38.40,0:31:40.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They may have music.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:40.20,0:31:43.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They certainly have the regularswho may or may not have
Dialogue: 0,0:31:43.68,0:31:45.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,substance use disorders,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:45.36,0:31:47.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they also have children,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:47.52,0:31:50.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and not even necessarilythe well-behaved children.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:50.76,0:31:54.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But children who run aroundunderfoot, children who cry,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:54.64,0:31:58.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,children whose parents aren't reining themin at all.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:58.08,0:32:01.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Last year, I wandered into the pub,not realizing that
Dialogue: 0,0:32:01.92,0:32:06.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was confirmation season and I found tons of kids.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:06.48,0:32:10.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They were dressed upin their best outfits, running from one
Dialogue: 0,0:32:10.20,0:32:15.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,end of the pub to the other, shriekinghappily while their parents got sloshed.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:15.68,0:32:17.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This wasn't a private event.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:17.32,0:32:19.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The pub wasn't rented out.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:19.04,0:32:21.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's just socially acceptable herefor kids,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:21.72,0:32:25.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even kids hyper on sugarand special event energy
Dialogue: 0,0:32:25.76,0:32:27.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to share a social space with adults.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:27.44,0:32:31.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Children here are closer to havingthe right to community recognized.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:31.76,0:32:35.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Another example: let's look at Japan.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:35.24,0:32:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The extent to which the built environmentis structured to meet
Dialogue: 0,0:32:39.00,0:32:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the needs of childrenis really different there.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:42.00,0:32:45.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I remember moving to Japanand seeing for the first time
Dialogue: 0,0:32:45.60,0:32:48.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a five year old confidently walking down
Dialogue: 0,0:32:48.36,0:32:51.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the sidewalk alone, not a parent in sight.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:51.48,0:32:53.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Having been a preschool teacher in the US.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:53.64,0:32:57.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Walking my classroom anywhereoutside of the building was terrifying.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:57.88,0:33:00.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,An event we minimized as much as possible.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:00.36,0:33:03.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But in Japan, even in major cities,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:03.68,0:33:04.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kids walk alone.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:04.84,0:33:06.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Don't mistake this for the idea
Dialogue: 0,0:33:06.24,0:33:10.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that Japanese children are more matureor better behaved.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:10.60,0:33:12.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,instead, Japan has cultural
Dialogue: 0,0:33:12.84,0:33:17.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and structural differenceswhich allow children to be out in public.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:17.24,0:33:19.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The sidewalks are broad and generous.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:19.68,0:33:21.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Speed limits are low.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:21.12,0:33:23.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Children are taught to raise their arms
Dialogue: 0,0:33:23.12,0:33:26.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as they cross the streetin order to make themselves more visible.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:26.28,0:33:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But all the same drivers expect childrento be in the crosswalks,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:31.24,0:33:33.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so they watch for childrenin the crosswalks.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:33.96,0:33:37.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,During times when children are likelyto be commuting to or from school.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:38.04,0:33:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Networks of volunteer adults placethemselves along well-traveled routes
Dialogue: 0,0:33:43.08,0:33:46.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that they can watch out for anythingdangerous.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:46.20,0:33:48.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a popular Japanese TV program
Dialogue: 0,0:33:48.44,0:33:50.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,called Hajimete no otsukai
Dialogue: 0,0:33:50.88,0:33:53.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which documentsthe right of passage of children
Dialogue: 0,0:33:54.12,0:33:57.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going on their first solo errand.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:57.04,0:34:01.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So cameramen follow these childrenranging from ages 2 to 5
Dialogue: 0,0:34:01.60,0:34:06.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as they navigate crowded city centersor wild rural countrysides.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:06.40,0:34:09.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to bring home a packet of fishor to bring cookies
Dialogue: 0,0:34:09.76,0:34:13.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to their grandma.They do this completely on their own.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:13.44,0:34:16.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the show is really, really charming.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:16.56,0:34:18.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would recommendyou watch
Dialogue: 0,0:34:18.04,0:34:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,public infrastructurein Japan
Dialogue: 0,0:34:20.00,0:34:22.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is designed to some extentwith children in mind.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:22.80,0:34:26.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This feels very different from how we livein the English speaking world.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:26.60,0:34:28.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As one paper puts it:
Dialogue: 0,0:34:28.16,0:34:30.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Cogito:parents across socioeconomic
Dialogue: 0,0:34:30.04,0:34:31.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,backgrounds in Western cities
Dialogue: 0,0:34:31.84,0:34:36.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,consider public space unsafefor children, a concern fueled by media
Dialogue: 0,0:34:36.60,0:34:41.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hype around stranger dangerand an increasingly risk averse society.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:41.96,0:34:45.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hence, children who are still seen outabout in the street with an adult
Dialogue: 0,0:34:46.16,0:34:49.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are often regardedwith a mixture of suspicion and worry.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:49.44,0:34:54.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These paradoxical positions share a viewthat children should remain in child
Dialogue: 0,0:34:54.04,0:34:58.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,friendly places such as school, homeorganized after school activities
Dialogue: 0,0:34:58.64,0:35:00.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the playground.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:00.04,0:35:03.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This was from a research papercalled No Messing Around,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:03.12,0:35:06.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which looked at how children viewpublic spaces in Dublin.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:06.56,0:35:10.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So don't let my romantic view of the pubinfluence you too much.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:10.44,0:35:13.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Children here are still quite marginalized when it comes to
Dialogue: 0,0:35:13.80,0:35:15.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,access to public spaces.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:15.64,0:35:18.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Beyond those explicitly carved out for them
Dialogue: 0,0:35:18.80,0:35:23.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with special deterministic functionslike a formalized playground
Dialogue: 0,0:35:23.32,0:35:27.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with literal boundariesversus a large car free avenue,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:27.96,0:35:31.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which would facilitate more free creative play.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:31.68,0:35:34.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And God, does Dublin need that?
Dialogue: 0,0:35:35.04,0:35:37.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm sure many people from the USwho've been to Ireland
Dialogue: 0,0:35:37.64,0:35:41.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and by Irelandthey just mean Dublin are thinking.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:41.68,0:35:44.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But is it Dublin just idyllic?
Dialogue: 0,0:35:44.04,0:35:46.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's precisely the problem.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:46.08,0:35:49.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Dublin is so solely focused on tourism,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:49.56,0:35:53.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on presenting this quaint little twee image of Ireland
Dialogue: 0,0:35:53.40,0:35:57.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that it can extract as much moneyas possible from said tourists.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:57.32,0:36:01.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That it fails locals in general,and especially fails children.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:01.44,0:36:05.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A few years ago, securityat the Temple Bar, a pub famous
Dialogue: 0,0:36:05.60,0:36:09.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for having the most expensivedrinks in Ireland and for being a place
Dialogue: 0,0:36:09.52,0:36:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that no self-respectingIrish person would ever set foot in.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:13.08,0:36:19.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, they got upset that children,a 13 year old and 16 year old specifically
Dialogue: 0,0:36:19.32,0:36:23.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were skateboarding on the pedestrianised street outside of the pub.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:23.88,0:36:28.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, you know, being in public,using the street,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:28.40,0:36:30.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,presumably making the atmosphere
Dialogue: 0,0:36:30.16,0:36:33.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,less conducive to selling thirty euro pints or whatever.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:34.00,0:36:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So now the pub is also famousas one where the security guards
Dialogue: 0,0:36:38.24,0:36:43.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,assault children for having the audacityto play in the public space.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:43.88,0:36:46.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Seriously. Boycott the Temple Bar.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:46.60,0:36:48.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it's grim in other places too.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:48.36,0:36:52.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A paper on children in urban spacesfocused on a neighborhood in L.A.,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:52.64,0:36:58.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,specifically the neighborhood around SouthCentral Avenue, southeast Los Angeles,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:58.16,0:37:01.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is a primarily lowincome, high density area
Dialogue: 0,0:37:01.60,0:37:05.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where residents are majorityLatin-American and Black.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:05.16,0:37:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Children are marginalized in the same waythat we've mentioned before.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:09.20,0:37:14.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Few places to congregate, streetsthat are unsafe for commuting, etc., etc..
Dialogue: 0,0:37:14.16,0:37:17.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You get the idea,but also by factors unique to the area,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:17.80,0:37:21.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like through criminalizationand institutionalization.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:21.40,0:37:23.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The paper's author,Meredith Abood,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:23.52,0:37:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,documents how childrenmove through
Dialogue: 0,0:37:25.00,0:37:26.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,regimented spaces, each day.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:27.00,0:37:29.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The majority of childrengo to afterschool programs,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:29.72,0:37:32.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which means that they arein an institutional setting
Dialogue: 0,0:37:32.12,0:37:36.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, from 7:30 a.m.until 6 p.m. each day.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:36.60,0:37:41.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But when surveyed, only 9% of fifthgraders like their after school programs
Dialogue: 0,0:37:41.76,0:37:46.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and based on Abood’s writing,I don't blame them for disliking them.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:46.20,0:37:47.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,José María Luna:The children in the program are
Dialogue: 0,0:37:47.60,0:37:50.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the most part, institutionalized,disciplined and controlled.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:50.64,0:37:53.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Students are commonlytold to put their hands on their heads
Dialogue: 0,0:37:53.24,0:37:56.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,until the room is silent, oftenfor upwards of 20 minutes,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:56.20,0:37:59.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or told they cannot go playuntil they learn to make a perfectly
Dialogue: 0,0:37:59.48,0:38:02.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,straight line, meaningthey are often standing still in a line
Dialogue: 0,0:38:02.52,0:38:06.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for 15 minutes until they are releasedand given permission to play.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:06.36,0:38:10.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Students who misbehave because they refuseto silently work on their homework
Dialogue: 0,0:38:10.24,0:38:14.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or do not put their hands on their headfor the entire 5 minutes are “benched”
Dialogue: 0,0:38:14.04,0:38:15.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and spend the majority
Dialogue: 0,0:38:15.08,0:38:17.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the three hour blocksitting alone with their heads down.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:18.04,0:38:21.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If they are lucky, they just have topick up 50 pieces of trash
Dialogue: 0,0:38:21.32,0:38:23.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as if they are convictedcriminals serving probation.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:23.92,0:38:26.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Remarkably, however, students rarely question
Dialogue: 0,0:38:26.24,0:38:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the hyper-disciplined environment because
Dialogue: 0,0:38:28.00,0:38:30.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they cannot conceive of anything else
Dialogue: 0,0:38:30.76,0:38:33.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a built environmentthat constrains their play,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:33.12,0:38:34.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,autonomy and freedom,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:34.68,0:38:37.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where  police can search children and youth without cause
Dialogue: 0,0:38:37.60,0:38:40.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and where more money is spent on prisons than schools,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:40.92,0:38:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Children often do not even realize
Dialogue: 0,0:38:43.00,0:38:45.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they can ask for or expect anything more
Dialogue: 0,0:38:45.96,0:38:49.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it's particularly noteworthythat this demographic of children
Dialogue: 0,0:38:49.56,0:38:52.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is also primarily made of children of color.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:52.72,0:38:54.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Children who are not awarded
Dialogue: 0,0:38:54.76,0:38:58.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the same premise of helpless innocence as their white peers.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:58.32,0:39:00.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As a paper on Black girlhood puts it
Dialogue: 0,0:39:00.44,0:39:04.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ember Green:racialized gender and sexuality, i.e.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:04.20,0:39:08.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Black genders and sexualitiesin and under white supremacy
Dialogue: 0,0:39:08.76,0:39:12.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and colonization, negate and obliterate
Dialogue: 0,0:39:12.48,0:39:15.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the very idea of the subject position.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:15.72,0:39:21.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the categories of child, childhood, girlhood and human
Dialogue: 0,0:39:21.40,0:39:23.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in tow ofsuch configurations
Dialogue: 0,0:39:23.60,0:39:25.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the denial of innocence
Dialogue: 0,0:39:25.32,0:39:29.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the traditional sense of the word,where Blackness blots out
Dialogue: 0,0:39:29.76,0:39:34.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,naivete, not knowing and exemption from responsibility.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:34.32,0:39:37.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or, to put it more crudely,children of color aren't given
Dialogue: 0,0:39:37.12,0:39:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the presumption of innocencethat white children are routinely granted.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:41.08,0:39:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are dominating and subordinatingyoung people just because we can.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:47.08,0:39:51.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in the cases of racialized children,we are even more cruel and harsh,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:52.08,0:39:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,potentially creating a scenario where kids go
Dialogue: 0,0:39:55.00,0:39:57.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, from institutionalization on the basis of their age
Dialogue: 0,0:39:57.72,0:40:00.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to institutionalizationon the basis of their race.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:01.08,0:40:03.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The school to prison nexus.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:03.44,0:40:06.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I ask you genuinely,Is this how we want to treat people?
Dialogue: 0,0:40:07.04,0:40:09.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is this how we want our society to run?
Dialogue: 0,0:40:09.48,0:40:11.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Have you heard the baby in the background?
Dialogue: 0,0:40:11.32,0:40:13.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Neil actually just ran out with them.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:13.80,0:40:15.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I think you might have hearda little bit of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:15.72,0:40:19.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're here and we're not doing thatbecause we're showing off.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:19.68,0:40:20.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, maybe you think
Dialogue: 0,0:40:20.76,0:40:24.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I'm trying to monetize themor make a shift to mommy blogger,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:24.36,0:40:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I'm not. Don't worry.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:26.00,0:40:28.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't plan to make videoswhich feature them.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:28.04,0:40:29.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're not that sort of channel.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:29.40,0:40:30.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And like many of you,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:30.80,0:40:32.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would worry about the ethics
Dialogue: 0,0:40:32.32,0:40:35.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of exposing someone to a public lifethat they didn't consent to.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:35.76,0:40:41.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But this is also my job, and I thinkchildren should be allowed at workplaces.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:41.20,0:40:44.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I know there might besome loss of productivity.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:44.40,0:40:46.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's been some loss of productivity today.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:46.44,0:40:50.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And sure, maybe not every job,certainly not the dangerous ones.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:50.60,0:40:54.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the system we have now requires institutionalization.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:54.16,0:40:56.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The system we have requires carers to either
Dialogue: 0,0:40:56.88,0:40:58.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,give up their careers entirely
Dialogue: 0,0:40:58.80,0:41:02.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to focus on their children,or to segment their day into sections
Dialogue: 0,0:41:02.12,0:41:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where they're isolated from their childrenand their children are in care.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:06.24,0:41:08.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I don't want to do either of those.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:08.52,0:41:12.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I really like that most European countrieshave generous maternity leave,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:12.40,0:41:13.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I'd also be pretty miserable
Dialogue: 0,0:41:13.84,0:41:16.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if I spent every second of maternity leave
Dialogue: 0,0:41:16.64,0:41:19.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,focused solely on the babyand completely neglecting
Dialogue: 0,0:41:19.96,0:41:24.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my own need for intellectual stimulationor to participate in society.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:24.72,0:41:27.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Babies should be allowed in publicfor their own sake, but doing so
Dialogue: 0,0:41:27.96,0:41:31.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would allow their parentsto maintain their public access as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:31.92,0:41:33.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's why the baby's here
Dialogue: 0,0:41:33.80,0:41:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because they're a newborn and they can't be left alone.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:36.04,0:41:38.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because I'm breastfeeding every few hours,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:38.76,0:41:41.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I don'twant to put them in daycare.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:41.40,0:41:44.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if you take me less seriouslyas a thinker or as a professional,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:44.68,0:41:47.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I've got a baby strapped to my chest,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:47.52,0:41:49.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, that's your Adultism showing.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:49.32,0:41:50.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Everything I've discussed today
Dialogue: 0,0:41:50.68,0:41:54.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gets extra depressingwhen you see what children want
Dialogue: 0,0:41:54.56,0:41:58.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how easy it would be for usto give it to them.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:58.96,0:42:01.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when they're asked,children want to be integrated
Dialogue: 0,0:42:01.60,0:42:03.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and valued in their communities.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:03.72,0:42:05.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They want to feel safe
Dialogue: 0,0:42:05.40,0:42:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they want to be able to movethrough their neighborhoods.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:08.00,0:42:09.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They want to be able to conduct
Dialogue: 0,0:42:09.36,0:42:13.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a variety of activitieslike playing sports or exploring.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:13.68,0:42:15.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They want public art.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:15.12,0:42:16.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They want green spaces.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:16.84,0:42:19.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They want tangible interactions with nature.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:19.36,0:42:22.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They want spaceswhere they can meet up with their peers.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:22.80,0:42:25.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this one was especially heartening.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:25.08,0:42:27.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Spaces where they can mix with kids from different
Dialogue: 0,0:42:27.72,0:42:30.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ethnic and religious backgrounds than their own.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:30.48,0:42:34.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, like, they want what we all wantbut shaped like them.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:34.92,0:42:36.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Usable for them.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:36.36,0:42:38.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Public sculptures that they can climb on.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:38.88,0:42:41.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Adequate lighting for dark areas.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:41.16,0:42:42.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bird feeders.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:42.12,0:42:44.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Graffiti wallswhere they're allowed to paint.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:44.52,0:42:46.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Seating protected from the elements.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:46.68,0:42:48.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Doesn't that sound nice?
Dialogue: 0,0:42:48.32,0:42:51.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I hesitate to give many concrete examplesof what changes
Dialogue: 0,0:42:51.60,0:42:53.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we should make for children.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:53.16,0:42:54.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because I'm not a child.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:54.72,0:42:56.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll just be designing
Dialogue: 0,0:42:56.04,0:42:58.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around an idyllic image of a child.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:58.32,0:43:00.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But children aren't an idea.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:00.04,0:43:01.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're a cohort.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:01.48,0:43:03.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They can tell us what they want.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:03.40,0:43:07.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We should invite children to the tableand not tokenistically
Dialogue: 0,0:43:07.04,0:43:11.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but with the intention of actually engaging and taking them seriously.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:11.32,0:43:16.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Otherwise, we'll keep perpetuating anunfair adult framework, as Abood puts it.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:16.68,0:43:18.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,José María Luna:If children and youth
Dialogue: 0,0:43:18.04,0:43:20.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do not have a way to empower themselves
Dialogue: 0,0:43:20.28,0:43:24.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and shape their communities,they will remain victims of an adult world
Dialogue: 0,0:43:24.12,0:43:27.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that has continuously demonstratedthat it does not care.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:28.08,0:43:29.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I like children.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:29.52,0:43:31.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I like having children sharing my commute.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:31.96,0:43:34.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I like having childrenrunning underfoot at the pub.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:35.16,0:43:38.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't think children should be confined to a narrow range
Dialogue: 0,0:43:38.44,0:43:41.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of child friendly spaceslike fenced in playgrounds.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:41.72,0:43:45.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But whether you likeor don't like children shouldn't matter
Dialogue: 0,0:43:45.40,0:43:48.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they're people.They have just as much right to be
Dialogue: 0,0:43:48.52,0:43:53.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in public life as you do, regardlessofyour feelings on that matter.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:53.40,0:43:55.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,🎵 bass note 🎵
Dialogue: 0,0:43:55.76,0:43:57.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can't makeanyone watching
Dialogue: 0,0:43:57.88,0:43:59.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,care about children.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:59.60,0:44:00.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can't make -
Dialogue: 0,0:44:00.44,0:44:02.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Loud Click)
Dialogue: 0,0:44:02.52,0:44:03.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Neil, what happened??
Dialogue: 0,0:44:03.44,0:44:04.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,🎵 jazz drums 🎵
Dialogue: 0,0:44:04.76,0:44:05.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Neil: I don't know.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:05.52,0:44:08.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We don't have Philosophy Tube’s budget, do we?
Dialogue: 0,0:44:08.64,0:44:10.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,🎵 more drums 🎵
Dialogue: 0,0:44:10.68,0:44:13.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Recently,I spent some time in a maternity hospital.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:13.96,0:44:15.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was interesting.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:15.36,0:44:20.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was an atmosphere of tensionand of excitement and magic, actually,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:20.76,0:44:26.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and horror and grossness and mundanenessand occasionally tragedy.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:26.72,0:44:29.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We had some time to soak up all of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:29.24,0:44:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sarah was in there for almost ten days,having the baby.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:33.08,0:44:34.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Her labor had to be induced.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:34.32,0:44:37.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And unfortunately,it wasn't a very successful induction
Dialogue: 0,0:44:37.72,0:44:41.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and little Bábóg had some troublecoming out into the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:41.20,0:44:45.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Basically, contractions, but no dilation,no progression, just a little baby
Dialogue: 0,0:44:45.44,0:44:47.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stuck in there getting squished by a womb,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:47.96,0:44:51.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,displaying increasingly distressed and distressing vital signs.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:51.72,0:44:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And of course, Sarah in absolute agony,but kind of for no reason.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:56.12,0:44:57.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We had very good care.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:57.32,0:44:59.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is very goodmaternity care in Ireland,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:59.88,0:45:01.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that was particularly strikingfor Sarah
Dialogue: 0,0:45:01.60,0:45:05.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,coming from the States where there arestatistically poor maternity outcomes.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:05.56,0:45:09.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact, the death rate isn't just highin the US, it's actively increasing.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:10.08,0:45:14.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it felt like the staff therein Galway, a combination of doctors,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:14.04,0:45:17.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nurses, medical students and midwivesall were fully in it.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:17.84,0:45:20.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hearts invested,life purpose being fulfilled,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:20.76,0:45:23.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at least from my perspective,it felt like
Dialogue: 0,0:45:23.12,0:45:25.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I may be come acrossas a little bit of a wanker
Dialogue: 0,0:45:25.88,0:45:28.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,putting it this way, but it felt so authentic.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:28.36,0:45:32.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's just such an authentic experiencehaving a baby.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:32.12,0:45:33.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:33.48,0:45:35.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when they held up our baby,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:35.44,0:45:39.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our new shiningnexus of unimaginable potential and beauty
Dialogue: 0,0:45:39.72,0:45:43.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the boundaries of reality wereas wishy-washy as my tear-veiled vision
Dialogue: 0,0:45:43.72,0:45:45.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the force of love itself,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:45.60,0:45:47.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which had taken such a deep breath
Dialogue: 0,0:45:47.16,0:45:49.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,finally exhaled.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:49.80,0:45:52.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It felt authentic, you know, like itfelt like something was happening.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:52.32,0:45:54.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But anyway,that's not the point of the story.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:54.24,0:45:57.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was a different bit to that bit
Dialogue: 0,0:45:57.12,0:46:02.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was a bit where I stood outside ofthe hospital and I was holding burritos.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:02.28,0:46:04.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just bought these mediocre burritosright?
Dialogue: 0,0:46:04.56,0:46:06.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I feltas I stood there
Dialogue: 0,0:46:06.28,0:46:09.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I was standing between two very different worlds.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:09.12,0:46:11.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On the one side was this magical
Dialogue: 0,0:46:11.76,0:46:15.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hospital place where people fulfilledtheir life's purpose.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:15.52,0:46:18.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This really rather difficultand involved and body-horror-infused
Dialogue: 0,0:46:18.48,0:46:21.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and emotionally fraught business of birthand medicine and care.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:22.00,0:46:25.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And on the other side, past the pedestriancrossing and the busy road
Dialogue: 0,0:46:25.88,0:46:27.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was Tesco
Dialogue: 0,0:46:27.36,0:46:28.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Burritos
Dialogue: 0,0:46:28.28,0:46:30.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and chain pubs and moneylenders.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:30.60,0:46:35.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we're sort of expectedto think that these two are the same world
Dialogue: 0,0:46:35.28,0:46:38.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that in fact the hospital worlddepends for its survival
Dialogue: 0,0:46:38.52,0:46:41.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and viability on the Tesco and burritoand money lender world.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:41.76,0:46:43.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But this is of course not true.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:43.48,0:46:45.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We've been caring for each other
Dialogue: 0,0:46:45.16,0:46:48.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for a lot longer than we've been sellingassembly line burritos.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:48.96,0:46:52.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ireland almost has a public healthcaresystem, and Sarah and Bábóg
Dialogue: 0,0:46:52.56,0:46:55.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,basically got free carefor the duration of the pregnancy.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:55.80,0:46:58.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it feels right, actually,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:58.56,0:47:01.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that that should be somethingthat society exists to do.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:01.40,0:47:06.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It feels right that we all collectivelyshould be simultaneously protective
Dialogue: 0,0:47:06.28,0:47:10.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and welcoming towards Bábógand that we should be challenged
Dialogue: 0,0:47:10.32,0:47:14.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in an outward radius from Bábóg’sneeds to reevaluate the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:14.64,0:47:19.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It feels deeply wrong to think oftheir future welfare being based on money.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:20.04,0:47:24.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so following that logic, it should bedeeply morally wrong that any child
Dialogue: 0,0:47:24.48,0:47:28.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or any person should have their futurewelfare, be based on their economic value.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:28.76,0:47:33.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Their value in reality, in a moral sense,is coming from somewhere else.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:33.64,0:47:36.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I want to circle the block
Dialogue: 0,0:47:36.36,0:47:39.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of this Childism philosophy thing
Dialogue: 0,0:47:39.84,0:47:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with exactly that dichotomyin my mind, a society of children,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:44.08,0:47:48.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is a society of schoolsand hospitals and playgrounds
Dialogue: 0,0:47:48.36,0:47:52.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and mutual interdependenceand so forth, versus a society of adults,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:52.92,0:47:58.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is money and exploitation,and Tesco and techno feudalism.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:58.88,0:48:02.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,See, no matter how lofty or farreaching or academic this gets,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:02.32,0:48:06.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ultimately this is still a storyabout a baby in the world,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:06.24,0:48:09.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just like how your story is ultimatelyabout a baby in the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:09.72,0:48:10.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's you.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:10.68,0:48:11.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you know
Dialogue: 0,0:48:11.28,0:48:15.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the movie Three Men and a Babyis actually about Three Babies and a Baby,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:16.04,0:48:17.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you think about it.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:17.72,0:48:19.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(embarrassed laugh)
Dialogue: 0,0:48:19.88,0:48:20.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:20.28,0:48:22.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So one of the things
Dialogue: 0,0:48:22.60,0:48:26.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we could accidentally do herethat we might want to, you know, not do
Dialogue: 0,0:48:26.36,0:48:29.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is to build a whole picture ofchildism that makes you think,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:29.24,0:48:30.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,oh, I get it!
Dialogue: 0,0:48:30.20,0:48:34.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is like “children are brilliant.The Philosophy.”
Dialogue: 0,0:48:34.68,0:48:35.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is wrong.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:35.68,0:48:36.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That isn't it?
Dialogue: 0,0:48:36.48,0:48:39.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That would be as silly as comingto the conclusion that feminism is.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:39.84,0:48:41.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“Women are brilliant.The Philosophy.”
Dialogue: 0,0:48:42.08,0:48:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I'm aware, is a conclusion that some people do come to,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:45.20,0:48:46.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I wish they wouldn't.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:46.56,0:48:49.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some people get these sorts of thingswrong on purpose, actually,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:49.56,0:48:52.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they quite activelythrow a spanner in the works
Dialogue: 0,0:48:52.20,0:48:54.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by responding to feminism with,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:54.36,0:48:56.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, “Well, men are great too!”
Dialogue: 0,0:48:56.60,0:49:00.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or “are you sayingwomen never do anything wrong??”
Dialogue: 0,0:49:00.56,0:49:03.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and thus participate at whatever levelin a sort of ratcheting
Dialogue: 0,0:49:03.44,0:49:07.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of misinterpretation that tends towardsmaking feminism look silly?
Dialogue: 0,0:49:07.40,0:49:10.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And much like our discussion of insults earlier,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:10.40,0:49:14.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,erases productive conversations about problems like
Dialogue: 0,0:49:14.52,0:49:16.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,patriarchy or gender based violence.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:16.60,0:49:20.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Similarly, people interpretcritical race theory as this kind of
Dialogue: 0,0:49:20.68,0:49:23.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,inelegant, half-assed exaltation of non-white
Dialogue: 0,0:49:23.64,0:49:27.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,racial identities or some kind of cultof Negative Nellies who hate the whites,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:27.44,0:49:31.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which you'd have to be pretty generousto actually interpret as misunderstanding.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:31.48,0:49:32.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I digress.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:32.68,0:49:37.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is important, though, because as Inow start to talk about the details
Dialogue: 0,0:49:37.08,0:49:40.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of things like democratic representationfor children,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:40.20,0:49:42.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,political participation for children,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:42.04,0:49:46.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,youth activists, equality for children imagined in new and concrete
Dialogue: 0,0:49:46.08,0:49:49.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ways, you might find yourselfsomewhere on that spectrum of
Dialogue: 0,0:49:49.92,0:49:52.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“But we can't really be seriousabout all of this.”
Dialogue: 0,0:49:52.32,0:49:55.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“We're not really considering childrenas people in this way, are we?”
Dialogue: 0,0:49:56.00,0:49:58.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is just somethingI would ask you to be aware of as we go,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:58.92,0:50:02.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because there is such a thingas invisible ideology.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:02.92,0:50:04.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, ideas that you hold
Dialogue: 0,0:50:04.40,0:50:07.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you didn't come up withthat don't even necessarily serve you,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:08.08,0:50:12.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you nonetheless reproduceon the behalf of your oppressors.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:12.48,0:50:14.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is part of what makes a status quo,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:14.88,0:50:18.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,however unjust and dysfunctionalthat status quo is
Dialogue: 0,0:50:18.04,0:50:22.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more comfortable than particular imaginable alternatives
Dialogue: 0,0:50:22.40,0:50:23.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in John Walll's paper.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:23.84,0:50:28.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can Democracy Represent Children?Towards a Politics of Difference
Dialogue: 0,0:50:28.60,0:50:31.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He points out that history regardsthe political role of children
Dialogue: 0,0:50:31.96,0:50:34.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in often more generous ways than we do now
Dialogue: 0,0:50:34.84,0:50:36.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That Dang Dad:In the past, children have been kings
Dialogue: 0,0:50:36.48,0:50:39.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and queens played important rolesin the labor movements, marched
Dialogue: 0,0:50:39.60,0:50:43.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with Gandhi to liberate India, helpeddesegregate the United States South,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:43.84,0:50:47.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and been involved in one way or anotherin all manner of political movements.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:47.64,0:50:51.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Have you ever heard of theNewsboys Strike of 1899?
Dialogue: 0,0:50:51.60,0:50:54.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a long and storiedand controversial tale
Dialogue: 0,0:50:54.04,0:50:56.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we can't fully indulge here today.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:56.24,0:50:59.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But basically, newspaperhawkers of the time, young men
Dialogue: 0,0:50:59.28,0:51:03.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and boys had a strike for two weekswhich effectively halved the circulation
Dialogue: 0,0:51:03.48,0:51:07.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the papers of both Pulitzerand William Randolph Hearst.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:07.48,0:51:09.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, they didn'texactly succeed in their aims.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:09.84,0:51:13.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Neither Hearstnor Pulitzer agreed to pay them more,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:13.16,0:51:16.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they did leverage buybacksfor the papers that they didn't sell,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:16.56,0:51:20.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so they successfully impactedtheir own poverty at the expense
Dialogue: 0,0:51:20.80,0:51:23.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of those famously miserly capitalists c***s
Dialogue: 0,0:51:23.92,0:51:25.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's a win for the little fella.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:25.56,0:51:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's all somewhat faithfully recreatedin the Disney film Newsies
Dialogue: 0,0:51:29.16,0:51:33.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the Broadway musical of the same name,neither of which I've seen,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:33.44,0:51:34.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but Biz Berkeley has.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:34.92,0:51:37.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you can just watch the videothat she did about it
Dialogue: 0,0:51:37.40,0:51:39.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,🎵 swelling music 🎵
Dialogue: 0,0:51:39.16,0:51:41.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,🎵 When I Dream 🎵
Dialogue: 0,0:51:41.16,0:51:44.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anyway, the newshawkers were an exploited workforce.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:44.56,0:51:45.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Absolutely.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:45.28,0:51:49.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it sucks that children were partof an exploited workforce,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:49.20,0:51:52.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they also organizedand used collective action.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:52.80,0:51:56.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This gets referred to as “Youth Activism”now because of course
Dialogue: 0,0:51:56.56,0:51:59.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's different to just activismbecause they're children.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:59.88,0:52:01.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's so cute.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:01.08,0:52:02.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They think that they're people.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:03.24,0:52:05.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I'm going to put a pin in this
Dialogue: 0,0:52:05.44,0:52:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(pin!)
Dialogue: 0,0:52:06.00,0:52:07.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's a lynchpin,
Dialogue: 0,0:52:07.32,0:52:10.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it’ll be really quite importantand have something to do with
Dialogue: 0,0:52:10.12,0:52:12.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Youth Activism and kidsfighting for the whole world.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:12.72,0:52:14.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You'll see it's a whole thing
Dialogue: 0,0:52:14.12,0:52:16.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because children, it would seem,
Dialogue: 0,0:52:16.24,0:52:20.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are the cohort most patently awareof how f*cked the world is
Dialogue: 0,0:52:20.32,0:52:23.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and just how urgent and necessary it is
Dialogue: 0,0:52:23.32,0:52:27.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to stop playing adult gamesand unf*ck the world immediately.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:27.20,0:52:31.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But as I say, we’ll pin that because thatis children outside of the establishment.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:31.68,0:52:35.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No matter how Other a group is, it'spossible to picture them outside the gates
Dialogue: 0,0:52:36.12,0:52:37.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yelling and saying, “This Sucks!”
Dialogue: 0,0:52:37.64,0:52:40.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even children don't gettheir usual erasure from that scenario.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:40.24,0:52:44.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But if we turn our attention insteadto children sitting in the big chairs,
Dialogue: 0,0:52:44.44,0:52:46.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the big rooms,making the big decisions
Dialogue: 0,0:52:46.48,0:52:49.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like Bossy Baby baby or Blank Check or whatever
Dialogue: 0,0:52:49.16,0:52:50.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then it does start to sound a bit weird, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:52:51.16,0:52:54.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If we look at the various instanceswhere there has actually been an attempt
Dialogue: 0,0:52:54.56,0:52:58.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to integrate children into democracy,to facilitate their participation
Dialogue: 0,0:52:58.12,0:53:01.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the establishment,then our preconceptions,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:01.56,0:53:03.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our clichéd mental images
Dialogue: 0,0:53:03.52,0:53:06.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and our cognitive biaseskick right back in again.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:06.44,0:53:09.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it's true that attempts have been madeat this very thing,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:09.12,0:53:13.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this more liberal versionof representing children in politics.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:13.20,0:53:16.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And by looking at some of the examplesof children's democratic
Dialogue: 0,0:53:16.48,0:53:19.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,participation, hopefullyit will help us to understand how,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:20.04,0:53:24.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One, the issues with involving childrenin democracy are actually quite arbitrary.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:24.84,0:53:28.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Two,those issues are also really similar
Dialogue: 0,0:53:28.72,0:53:32.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the issues that faceeveryone who gets excluded from democracy.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:32.52,0:53:37.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So again, drawing from John Wall's paper,there is something of a shift around 1989
Dialogue: 0,0:53:37.80,0:53:40.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the establishment of the Conventionof the Rights of the Child,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:40.40,0:53:43.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with various countriesstruggling to interpret or pay lip service
Dialogue: 0,0:53:43.68,0:53:47.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to listening to childrenwithout that actually being a concrete
Dialogue: 0,0:53:47.16,0:53:50.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,legal obligation, you have New Zealand,South Africa, even Israel
Dialogue: 0,0:53:50.88,0:53:54.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,establishing consultative bodies for children.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:54.28,0:53:55.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In more recent years,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:55.32,0:53:58.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,many countries go a step furtherby introducing children's parliaments,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:59.12,0:54:02.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the idea being that adults assumptionsabout the needs of children
Dialogue: 0,0:54:02.44,0:54:05.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can be supplementedor challenged by children themselves.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:05.88,0:54:08.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But as Wall and others have pointed out,there's a few issues here.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:09.16,0:54:10.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He clears up the picture
Dialogue: 0,0:54:10.60,0:54:14.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of democratic participation for childrenby splitting it into three categories:
Dialogue: 0,0:54:15.00,0:54:17.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Agency, Interdependence and Difference
Dialogue: 0,0:54:17.92,0:54:19.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, first: Agency.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:19.44,0:54:23.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That idea that you can just give childrenthe vote, give them the microphone,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:23.16,0:54:25.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,give them something, give them agency.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:25.08,0:54:28.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some of the problems with this,we actually touched on already
Dialogue: 0,0:54:28.20,0:54:30.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First: which children?
Dialogue: 0,0:54:30.44,0:54:33.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is, wealthier children from good schools are overrepresented in
Dialogue: 0,0:54:33.64,0:54:36.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even the most benevolent forwardthinking of organizations.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:36.80,0:54:40.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Agency has the problem of simultaneouslyholding open doors for certain
Dialogue: 0,0:54:40.92,0:54:44.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kinds of people and closing doorsfor other kinds of people.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:44.68,0:54:48.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It tends to be that those who most closelyresemble the existing power elites
Dialogue: 0,0:54:49.00,0:54:53.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will have disproportionatelygreater “agency” in political participation.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:53.48,0:54:55.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If we're talking about adults,they'll be the sort of people
Dialogue: 0,0:54:55.92,0:55:00.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who have the ear of the powerful, orthey'll be part of existing institutions.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:00.56,0:55:03.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They'll have access to education,they'll have property,
Dialogue: 0,0:55:03.20,0:55:06.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they'll have savings, technology,other forms of cultural capital.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:06.64,0:55:10.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if we're talking about children,even once you've gotten past the razors of
Dialogue: 0,0:55:10.56,0:55:13.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which kids, rich kids, the right kids,the white kids?
Dialogue: 0,0:55:13.68,0:55:15.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you still have the problem that they will be
Dialogue: 0,0:55:15.60,0:55:18.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the children who most resemble adults
Dialogue: 0,0:55:18.24,0:55:21.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and at that most resemble wealthyand powerful adults.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:21.72,0:55:23.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On top of that, you have Tokenism.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:23.52,0:55:27.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This idea that whatever diversity youis mostly decorative.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:27.40,0:55:31.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, at time of writing,most everyone even remotely left of center
Dialogue: 0,0:55:31.56,0:55:34.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is crying out for some decorative tokenism in the US
Dialogue: 0,0:55:34.68,0:55:38.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it's better than the beady-eyed Ku Klux Klan bloodthirsty whitewashing
Dialogue: 0,0:55:38.96,0:55:41.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,evisceration of the Republican Party under Trump,
Dialogue: 0,0:55:41.28,0:55:42.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and none of them have any eyebrows.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:42.80,0:55:45.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we can still,I hope, recognize that sticking
Dialogue: 0,0:55:45.72,0:55:50.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some marginalized people in a committeedoes not actually emancipate them.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:50.60,0:55:54.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is extra true of sticking childrenin a committee
Dialogue: 0,0:55:54.28,0:55:55.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That Dang Dad:as suppressed groups
Dialogue: 0,0:55:55.32,0:55:59.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,throughout history have found citizenshipin name can differ from citizenship
Dialogue: 0,0:55:59.32,0:56:03.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in reality. For example, childrenin civic councils in the UK report
Dialogue: 0,0:56:03.56,0:56:06.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,feeling that, while they can participate and have a voice.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:06.80,0:56:08.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These councils are really controlled
Dialogue: 0,0:56:08.44,0:56:12.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by larger institutional structuresthat are run by adults.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:12.32,0:56:15.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a basic structural issuewith the concept of agency,
Dialogue: 0,0:56:15.68,0:56:16.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as Wall puts it.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:17.00,0:56:18.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That Dang Dad:The problem is that
Dialogue: 0,0:56:18.12,0:56:20.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,agency itself is a political norm
Dialogue: 0,0:56:20.48,0:56:22.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with historically adult-centered biases.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:22.92,0:56:26.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So he outlines his next category:Interdependence.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:26.88,0:56:29.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A different form of participationthat isn't contingent
Dialogue: 0,0:56:29.92,0:56:33.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on hierarchical skillsand knowledge and various forms of capital.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:33.52,0:56:35.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, interdependence is a term
Dialogue: 0,0:56:35.28,0:56:36.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we've already thrown around once or twice,
Dialogue: 0,0:56:36.88,0:56:40.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we might now take a momentto actually understand
Dialogue: 0,0:56:40.36,0:56:41.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That Dang Dad: children can be
Dialogue: 0,0:56:41.36,0:56:44.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,included as fullrather than second class citizens,
Dialogue: 0,0:56:44.04,0:56:47.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the argument goesIf citizenship is broadened to include
Dialogue: 0,0:56:47.56,0:56:51.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,relational ties and socialand political interdependencies,
Dialogue: 0,0:56:51.60,0:56:54.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is persons simultaneously active
Dialogue: 0,0:56:54.52,0:56:58.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,independence and passive dependance.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:58.12,0:57:03.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We exist in webs of relationshipswith different dependencies.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:03.12,0:57:06.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Drawing on other thinkers, John Wallpoints out that the idea of an independent
Dialogue: 0,0:57:06.88,0:57:10.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,participant in democracyis kind of a fallacy in the first place.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:10.68,0:57:12.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Individuals,just like, y’know
Dialogue: 0,0:57:12.68,0:57:16.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your parents or your neighbors,the people commenting on our last video,
Dialogue: 0,0:57:16.60,0:57:19.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they cannot necessarily grasp political concepts,
Dialogue: 0,0:57:19.80,0:57:22.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,economic or ecological problems,
Dialogue: 0,0:57:22.08,0:57:25.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,clearly, they cannot grasp issuesof public health and so on.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:26.04,0:57:29.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We need each otherin order to outsource expertise.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:29.56,0:57:32.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And therefore, citizenshipis a dynamic process
Dialogue: 0,0:57:32.76,0:57:36.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of active independenceand passive dependance.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:36.24,0:57:40.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The idea of any category of personwho is granted the respect to make salient
Dialogue: 0,0:57:40.72,0:57:44.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,political decisions because of thatcategory has always been silly.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:44.32,0:57:49.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whether the category is landowner or manor white person or f***ing Baron or Duke
Dialogue: 0,0:57:49.84,0:57:54.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that idea doesn't stop being sillyjust because now the category is adult.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:54.92,0:57:57.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Have you met adults?
Dialogue: 0,0:57:57.48,0:58:01.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As I will really emphasize later,a key missing component of functional
Dialogue: 0,0:58:01.12,0:58:04.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and benevolent democratic participation is education.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:04.48,0:58:08.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This idea that we must learn or outsourcelearning would require a willingness
Dialogue: 0,0:58:08.76,0:58:13.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to suspend entitlement when you don't knowand to admit when you don't know,
Dialogue: 0,0:58:13.60,0:58:16.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to get good at accessing the experience of not knowing
Dialogue: 0,0:58:17.04,0:58:19.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and therefore knowing when it isthat you are not capable of showing
Dialogue: 0,0:58:19.96,0:58:22.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,greater judgmentthan someone who doesn't speak English
Dialogue: 0,0:58:22.68,0:58:24.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or someone with a mental illnessor someone
Dialogue: 0,0:58:24.72,0:58:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with an intellectual disability,or indeed a child.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:28.08,0:58:29.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sometimes you don't knowbetter than a child.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:29.68,0:58:33.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That itself would radically transform democracy,
Dialogue: 0,0:58:33.48,0:58:35.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as Mark Jans puts it in
Dialogue: 0,0:58:35.12,0:58:39.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Children as Citizens: Towards a Contemporary Notion of Child Participation.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:39.40,0:58:40.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Babila: This citizenship of children
Dialogue: 0,0:58:40.80,0:58:42.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is based on a continuous learning process
Dialogue: 0,0:58:42.80,0:58:44.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in which children and adultsare interdependent.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:44.96,0:58:47.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In this interdependency,the playful way in which children
Dialogue: 0,0:58:47.80,0:58:50.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,give meaning to their environmenthas to be taken into account.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:50.84,0:58:51.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The play of children
Dialogue: 0,0:58:51.68,0:58:54.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cannot merely be consideredas socially unimportant child play.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:55.00,0:58:57.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But there's still an underlying issuewith interdependence,
Dialogue: 0,0:58:57.84,0:59:00.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that is that it representsa failure of imagination
Dialogue: 0,0:59:01.00,0:59:05.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and will tend to bring us right backto situations that favor adults.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:05.16,0:59:07.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Usually, advocacy.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:07.28,0:59:11.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as in hey group that is dependent on us to represent them.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:11.44,0:59:12.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What kind of ice cream
Dialogue: 0,0:59:12.48,0:59:15.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would you like with this legislationthat increases funding for the police?
Dialogue: 0,0:59:15.68,0:59:19.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Would you like Biden Genocideor Harris Genocide?
Dialogue: 0,0:59:19.72,0:59:24.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Interdependence as much as it isvery much along the right path,
Dialogue: 0,0:59:24.16,0:59:27.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,still has this implicithierarchical order of things
Dialogue: 0,0:59:27.36,0:59:31.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in which power kindly squats downnext to non-power asks it
Dialogue: 0,0:59:32.04,0:59:34.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how many sugars it would like in its tea,and then
Dialogue: 0,0:59:34.76,0:59:37.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,defunds the committee in charge of tea
Dialogue: 0,0:59:37.04,0:59:40.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in order to begin to get around thisand other issues with interdependence,
Dialogue: 0,0:59:40.92,0:59:44.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wall proposes a third category: Difference
Dialogue: 0,0:59:44.28,0:59:46.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this is the real blow-it-all-up
Dialogue: 0,0:59:46.40,0:59:49.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,change our mindsetsanti-colonial childist radicalism
Dialogue: 0,0:59:49.80,0:59:50.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That Dang Dad: on this model,
Dialogue: 0,0:59:50.88,0:59:54.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,democracy means striving against historical norms of power
Dialogue: 0,0:59:54.80,0:59:59.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the inclusion of the greatest possiblediversity of social differences.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:59.40,1:00:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This isn't DEI,
Dialogue: 0,1:00:01.00,1:00:02.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is f***ing
Dialogue: 0,1:00:02.88,1:00:04.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Die.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:04.32,1:00:06.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's a bad joke.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:06.12,1:00:09.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In its simplest form,we can say that an inclusive democracy
Dialogue: 0,1:00:09.96,1:00:12.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should representthe specific needs of different groups
Dialogue: 0,1:00:12.92,1:00:16.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in their specific and different waysthat those groups interact
Dialogue: 0,1:00:16.80,1:00:20.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with and understand societydifferently to each other.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:20.76,1:00:24.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is the exact opposite of the Euro-Americananian norm
Dialogue: 0,1:00:24.44,1:00:27.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that if anyone should dareto try to make a life for themselves
Dialogue: 0,1:00:27.16,1:00:31.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in one of these golden imperial landsof the free, then they had better curtail
Dialogue: 0,1:00:31.44,1:00:36.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their bloody culture and adapt to the manyhorrible norms in said land of the free.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:36.72,1:00:40.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Conformities understoodthrough the rhetoric of its richest
Dialogue: 0,1:00:40.28,1:00:43.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and most powerfuland most c***-like
Dialogue: 0,1:00:43.56,1:00:45.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different cultures, be theyfrom
Dialogue: 0,1:00:45.52,1:00:47.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,foreign landsor minority religions,
Dialogue: 0,1:00:47.40,1:00:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or they're queer, or they have differentneeds or different neurotypes, or indeed
Dialogue: 0,1:00:51.00,1:00:55.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are simply childrenshould be represented in that difference,
Dialogue: 0,1:00:55.84,1:00:59.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by that difference,different democraies should be different.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:59.48,1:01:02.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Public spheres should be pluraland many and different.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:02.48,1:01:04.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the people watching who already know a thing or two
Dialogue: 0,1:01:04.64,1:01:07.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about decolonialismwill know what I'm dancing around
Dialogue: 0,1:01:07.80,1:01:12.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that the process of “civilizing”or “developing democracy”
Dialogue: 0,1:01:12.72,1:01:17.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the same as the process of conformingto the will and design of the colonizers.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:17.36,1:01:18.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,More on that later.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:18.40,1:01:21.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because in the more macro,all encompassing complex high
Dialogue: 0,1:01:21.84,1:01:24.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,end of this idea, some childistsare proposing that in order
Dialogue: 0,1:01:24.96,1:01:29.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to do fair representationand utopia properly, democracy itself
Dialogue: 0,1:01:29.24,1:01:32.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should be deconstructiverather than consensus-oriented,
Dialogue: 0,1:01:32.36,1:01:35.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the role of the citizenshould be antagonistic towards power
Dialogue: 0,1:01:35.72,1:01:38.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rather than part of the mechanismthat creates it
Dialogue: 0,1:01:38.52,1:01:39.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(sound of chair)
Dialogue: 0,1:01:39.12,1:01:42.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the people watching who already knowa thing or two about political anarchism
Dialogue: 0,1:01:42.56,1:01:48.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will also be sayingYes, yes, we know more on that, etc.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:48.96,1:01:49.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(chair)
Dialogue: 0,1:01:49.80,1:01:52.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But for me, while that's all huge and inspirational.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:52.76,1:01:55.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not quite substantiveor actionable enough,
Dialogue: 0,1:01:55.24,1:01:58.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or at least it doesn't yetcompose a material set of tools
Dialogue: 0,1:01:58.32,1:02:00.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and guidelinesand things we can do
Dialogue: 0,1:02:00.96,1:02:02.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for that, I mustdraw your attention
Dialogue: 0,1:02:02.68,1:02:06.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,back to this here pin, because I promise
Dialogue: 0,1:02:06.16,1:02:08.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's actually a way of doing all of this,
Dialogue: 0,1:02:08.64,1:02:10.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at least an imaginable way.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:10.68,1:02:12.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the meantime,what you’re probably
Dialogue: 0,1:02:12.52,1:02:15.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,currently imagining as thedemocratic representation of children
Dialogue: 0,1:02:15.84,1:02:19.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is probably still somewhatmired in tokenism
Dialogue: 0,1:02:19.08,1:02:21.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and playing pretend and ultimately, at best,
Dialogue: 0,1:02:21.48,1:02:24.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,advocacy with extra steps by adults for children.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:24.72,1:02:27.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, this essay is in many waysno different.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:27.44,1:02:28.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is adults.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:28.44,1:02:32.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sarah and I thinking about whatchildren need and speculating
Dialogue: 0,1:02:32.68,1:02:36.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on what young people think and advocatingfor what young people would say,
Dialogue: 0,1:02:36.68,1:02:38.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if only there was some wayto listen to them.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:38.72,1:02:42.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because let's face it,when you're not imagining these idealized
Dialogue: 0,1:02:42.32,1:02:45.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,four foot tall activists and advocateswho all look like Greta Thunberg
Dialogue: 0,1:02:46.20,1:02:49.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and speak six languages, and you instead imagine
Dialogue: 0,1:02:49.16,1:02:51.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actual children!
Dialogue: 0,1:02:51.16,1:02:53.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,children you have met,I mean, like a crowd of them.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:53.92,1:02:58.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's just a cacophony of chewing gumand monster energy drink and references
Dialogue: 0,1:02:58.44,1:03:00.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to Bluey, and it's impossibleto make out a single word
Dialogue: 0,1:03:00.72,1:03:02.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right?
Dialogue: 0,1:03:02.16,1:03:03.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, obviously,that's bollocks.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:03.88,1:03:07.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But still, we do default to the adult-centric frame quite readily,
Dialogue: 0,1:03:07.88,1:03:10.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it seems to bean irresistible worldview.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:10.76,1:03:12.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There seems to be a pattern
Dialogue: 0,1:03:12.08,1:03:16.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the excuses we use to rationalizethe disenfranchisement of kids:
Dialogue: 0,1:03:16.36,1:03:20.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Children can't engage with the political process,children can't articulate themselves.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:20.52,1:03:23.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Children aren't good at judgingtheir own needs and so on.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:23.28,1:03:28.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And again, these excuses,when we set aside for a moment
Dialogue: 0,1:03:28.24,1:03:29.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they're about children,
Dialogue: 0,1:03:29.40,1:03:33.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,may be strikingly familiarto those who are disempowered in general
Dialogue: 0,1:03:33.56,1:03:37.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for trans people, for disabled people,for people with chronic illnesses.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:37.48,1:03:43.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“Oh, you're not understanding the system,you're extremist, naive-ists
Dialogue: 0,1:03:43.08,1:03:44.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you're pushing people away from your cause!”
Dialogue: 0,1:03:44.76,1:03:46.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for mentally ill people, for pregnant people.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:46.84,1:03:48.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“You're not actually ableto judge your own needs!
Dialogue: 0,1:03:48.88,1:03:50.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Have you been talking to DoctorGoogle again?”
Dialogue: 0,1:03:50.88,1:03:52.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for immigrants, for refugees,
Dialogue: 0,1:03:52.76,1:03:56.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for people on minimum wage, for anyonebasically who stands outside
Dialogue: 0,1:03:56.64,1:03:58.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the establishment halls of power,
Dialogue: 0,1:03:58.36,1:04:00.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No matter how perfectlyyou articulate your needs
Dialogue: 0,1:04:00.84,1:04:04.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and no matter how incontrovertiblyyou understand
Dialogue: 0,1:04:04.44,1:04:08.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and know your own needs, you don'tget to actually represent yourself.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:08.52,1:04:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's familiar, right?
Dialogue: 0,1:04:10.00,1:04:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that even the peoplethat do come close to representing you
Dialogue: 0,1:04:13.08,1:04:16.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are the richer, more educated, prettierand more urban version
Dialogue: 0,1:04:16.96,1:04:20.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of you and the meansby which the participants are
Dialogue: 0,1:04:20.16,1:04:22.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then Disenfranchized is,of course, familiar too!
Dialogue: 0,1:04:22.68,1:04:26.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Participation transformed into manipulation, decoration and tokenism.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:26.28,1:04:29.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact, much of the languageused to describe disenfranchisement
Dialogue: 0,1:04:29.76,1:04:36.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has the adult child dynamic baked into itInfantilizing, belittling, patronizing.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:36.24,1:04:39.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're making it difficult for meto draw a parallel here.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:39.40,1:04:42.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, of course,when people seek meaningful change,
Dialogue: 0,1:04:42.52,1:04:46.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they get told to grow up,which is particularly unfair
Dialogue: 0,1:04:46.76,1:04:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the cohort of literal childrenand young people who, when they grow up,
Dialogue: 0,1:04:51.20,1:04:55.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will no longerhave the political concerns of children.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:55.36,1:04:59.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course, that's the ideabecause having just gone full circle,
Dialogue: 0,1:04:59.80,1:05:03.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we now see that the traits that make them children
Dialogue: 0,1:05:03.24,1:05:06.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are the very things that we otherizeand objectify in the first place.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:06.84,1:05:10.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These otherized,objectified, childishnesses
Dialogue: 0,1:05:10.76,1:05:13.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are the things that become problems,whether they are
Dialogue: 0,1:05:14.12,1:05:17.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,value neutral traits or needsor just phenomena peculiar to a cohort.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:17.88,1:05:21.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The idea is “come back to mewhen you're an adult!”
Dialogue: 0,1:05:21.32,1:05:24.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Very similar to “come back to mewhen you're no longer trans”
Dialogue: 0,1:05:24.76,1:05:28.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or you can lean in or talklike a white person, or you can
Dialogue: 0,1:05:28.52,1:05:30.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,get out of that f***ing wheelchairor whatever.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:30.72,1:05:33.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it may be, as uglyas it's going to feel,
Dialogue: 0,1:05:33.48,1:05:37.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the things you think ofas annoying about children are exactly
Dialogue: 0,1:05:37.20,1:05:40.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those otherized, socially undesirable,economically unproductive
Dialogue: 0,1:05:40.96,1:05:44.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and generally needy and vulnerable traitswhich your oppressor
Dialogue: 0,1:05:44.32,1:05:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wants you to hate about children
Dialogue: 0,1:05:47.00,1:05:49.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wants you to objectifyand villainize and pathologize.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:49.80,1:05:54.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ugh, children on planes, childrenin restaurants, children needing
Dialogue: 0,1:05:54.12,1:05:58.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,things, costing money, being born,bringing more misery into the world,
Dialogue: 0,1:05:58.36,1:06:02.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,taking over my friends’ lives!As ugly as it might feel,
Dialogue: 0,1:06:02.40,1:06:05.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it may be that your oppressorwants you to hate those things
Dialogue: 0,1:06:05.52,1:06:10.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because those are the thingsthat he hates about you.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:10.64,1:06:18.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(footsteps exiting the stage)
Dialogue: 0,1:06:18.12,1:06:21.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I bet there's a part of you right nowthat's thinking, okay,
Dialogue: 0,1:06:21.36,1:06:25.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is great in theory, but in practicethis is kind of hippie nonsense.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:25.88,1:06:27.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe you're willing to go along with me
Dialogue: 0,1:06:27.44,1:06:31.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I say that we're interdependent,that makes some intuitive sense.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:31.24,1:06:33.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No one does anything truly alone.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:33.60,1:06:38.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But what if I ask you to picturesomeone with no agency,
Dialogue: 0,1:06:38.12,1:06:44.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,someone who has no active independence,someone who only takes and doesn't give?
Dialogue: 0,1:06:44.16,1:06:45.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, what about infants?
Dialogue: 0,1:06:45.60,1:06:46.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's all well and good
Dialogue: 0,1:06:46.44,1:06:49.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to say that relationships with olderchildren are reciprocal.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:49.60,1:06:52.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They can report on themselves,they can be reasoned with.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:52.64,1:06:55.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They can help come up with solutionswhen there's a problem
Dialogue: 0,1:06:55.16,1:06:57.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they're facing,even they still need
Dialogue: 0,1:06:57.48,1:06:59.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your involvementfor some of it.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:59.04,1:07:01.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They can even providemoments of care for adults.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:01.64,1:07:04.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like one nightI was up with the baby at 2 a.m.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:04.92,1:07:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and my 14 year old
Dialogue: 0,1:07:06.00,1:07:07.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,step kid peeks their head in the door
Dialogue: 0,1:07:07.80,1:07:09.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they thought they heard me
Dialogue: 0,1:07:09.24,1:07:13.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they wanted to offer mea cup of herbal tea, which in that hazy,
Dialogue: 0,1:07:13.40,1:07:17.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sleep deprived state,it sounded like my absolute salvation.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:17.20,1:07:19.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So they made it for meand they brought it to me.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:19.92,1:07:21.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was up because I was breastfeeding.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:21.72,1:07:23.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They were up because they're a teenager
Dialogue: 0,1:07:23.52,1:07:27.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they did a sweet thing for meat a time when I really needed support.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:27.24,1:07:30.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But they're 14.What about younger children?
Dialogue: 0,1:07:30.28,1:07:33.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What about infants? What about my newborn?
Dialogue: 0,1:07:33.56,1:07:37.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think many people would arguethat my newborn isn't even a person yet.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:37.56,1:07:38.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not really.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:38.52,1:07:40.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They’d argue thatnewborns are completely dependent.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:40.56,1:07:43.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They can't give back.They can't even reciprocate.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:43.52,1:07:47.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're just creatures of instinctwith no thoughts or feelings of their own.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:47.36,1:07:49.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They can't feel stress.They can't feel pain.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:49.88,1:07:51.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You think they're smiling?
Dialogue: 0,1:07:51.40,1:07:53.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's actually just gas.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:53.88,1:07:55.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Except it's not.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:55.48,1:07:57.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because newborns do feel stress.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:57.84,1:08:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And thoughthey have a limited set of tools
Dialogue: 0,1:08:00.00,1:08:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with which to address it,they can do things like avert their gaze
Dialogue: 0,1:08:04.00,1:08:08.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the object of stress in orderto help regulate their heartbeats.
Dialogue: 0,1:08:08.12,1:08:12.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Newborns do feel pain, something we didn'tlearn until as late as the 1980s,
Dialogue: 0,1:08:12.52,1:08:16.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before which we were still sometimesdoing surgery on newborns
Dialogue: 0,1:08:16.04,1:08:19.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without pain relief and wonderingwhy they were dying of shock.
Dialogue: 0,1:08:19.20,1:08:22.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Recently, The Lancet, the world'smost prestigious public health journal,
Dialogue: 0,1:08:22.80,1:08:26.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had to put out an articlecalling on doctors to properly medicate
Dialogue: 0,1:08:26.40,1:08:30.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,newborns undergoing painfulmedical procedures as the current practice
Dialogue: 0,1:08:30.56,1:08:34.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of giving them sugar water doesn't actually address pain
Dialogue: 0,1:08:34.40,1:08:37.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the repeated experiencesof feeling pain, even in a baby
Dialogue: 0,1:08:37.68,1:08:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so young, is so disruptivethat it can lead to brain damage.
Dialogue: 0,1:08:41.00,1:08:44.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And yes, mountains of relatively recent scientific evidence
Dialogue: 0,1:08:44.44,1:08:47.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,overwhelmingly lead to the conclusionthat newborns smile
Dialogue: 0,1:08:47.52,1:08:51.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not just as a reflex, but as a meaningfulsign of social connection.
Dialogue: 0,1:08:51.12,1:08:54.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They do this as early as 36 hours old.
Dialogue: 0,1:08:54.16,1:08:57.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's how long it takes for themto observe their caregivers smiling,
Dialogue: 0,1:08:57.64,1:09:00.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,understand that this is a tool of social connection
Dialogue: 0,1:09:00.28,1:09:02.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then reflect it back themselves.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:02.64,1:09:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact, they are so good at thisthat even during the pandemic,
Dialogue: 0,1:09:06.00,1:09:09.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,researchers tested whether they could detect smiles under masks.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:09.60,1:09:13.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The results of the trial showed that evenwith the mouth part of a smile covered,
Dialogue: 0,1:09:13.84,1:09:17.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,babies were able to observethe rest of the face enough to determine
Dialogue: 0,1:09:17.48,1:09:21.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they were being smiled atand reciprocate by smiling themselves.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:21.36,1:09:24.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Babies, even when they're hoursold, are already people.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:25.08,1:09:26.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're not just biological computers
Dialogue: 0,1:09:26.96,1:09:30.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,coded with instincts, dictatingwhen they eat, sleep or poop.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:30.36,1:09:32.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're already learning,taking in the world,
Dialogue: 0,1:09:32.64,1:09:34.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,making connections with it.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:34.08,1:09:35.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are people.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:35.20,1:09:37.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just as valid as any one of us.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:37.16,1:09:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This isn't a moral imperative.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:39.00,1:09:40.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is a scientific reality.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:40.96,1:09:42.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We see this same bias with animals.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:42.76,1:09:45.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Serious scientists have to put out papers saying,
Dialogue: 0,1:09:45.32,1:09:48.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“Actually, animals do love. Animals do mourn.”
Dialogue: 0,1:09:48.44,1:09:49.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as if that were a revelation.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:49.80,1:09:50.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A few years ago,
Dialogue: 0,1:09:50.68,1:09:54.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a whale named Tahlequah carriedthe body of her dead calf for weeks,
Dialogue: 0,1:09:54.68,1:09:57.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not because she thought it was alive,but because it was her calf,
Dialogue: 0,1:09:58.00,1:09:59.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because she was mourning.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:59.24,1:10:02.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She's actually recently lost another calfand carried its body with her again
Dialogue: 0,1:10:03.04,1:10:05.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,long days pushing a dead baby around
Dialogue: 0,1:10:05.52,1:10:08.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it's her baby,because she lost someone she loved.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:08.88,1:10:10.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This has captured headlines.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:10.08,1:10:12.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“Isn't it incredible that whales mourn?”
Dialogue: 0,1:10:12.16,1:10:15.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But animal studiestell us that lots of animals mourn.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:15.56,1:10:18.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe even most, if you're brave,look up how dairy cows
Dialogue: 0,1:10:18.88,1:10:21.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,react when their babies are taken awayto go to slaughter for veal.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:22.12,1:10:26.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The standard practice in dairy farms sothat we can take cows milk for ourselves.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:26.52,1:10:30.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Listen to the noise that mothers makeor the way they thrash the footage of cows
Dialogue: 0,1:10:30.80,1:10:34.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,chasing slaughter down the roadto get their calves back.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:34.76,1:10:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At the cat rescue I worked at, we dealtwith a situation where some scumbag
Dialogue: 0,1:10:39.00,1:10:40.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,took neonatal kittens away from their mother
Dialogue: 0,1:10:40.76,1:10:42.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the way that cat screamed for her babies
Dialogue: 0,1:10:43.00,1:10:46.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,circled the house endlessly, desperately trying to get in.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:46.68,1:10:49.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I genuinely don't know whywe feel that something
Dialogue: 0,1:10:49.44,1:10:53.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so obvious as “animalslove each other” is surprising.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:53.20,1:10:55.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know whywe need studies to validate it
Dialogue: 0,1:10:55.36,1:10:57.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or why, for a century at least,
Dialogue: 0,1:10:57.24,1:11:00.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we've dismissed the idea that newborns do, in fact
Dialogue: 0,1:11:00.92,1:11:01.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,smile.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:01.68,1:11:04.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But a lot of harm has been doneon the basis of this misconception,
Dialogue: 0,1:11:04.28,1:11:06.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or more cynically:fabrication.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:06.60,1:11:10.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What if we go further and consider thatthe environment itself should have rights?
Dialogue: 0,1:11:10.84,1:11:12.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lawyers in various countries
Dialogue: 0,1:11:12.24,1:11:16.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have tried to get personhood statusfor notable areas like the Ganges River
Dialogue: 0,1:11:16.56,1:11:19.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or Mount Taranaki, but to meit seems that environmental rights
Dialogue: 0,1:11:19.84,1:11:21.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are inherent in childism,
Dialogue: 0,1:11:21.32,1:11:24.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even without considering the personhood of the natural world,
Dialogue: 0,1:11:24.36,1:11:26.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,let's picture a small area of native forest
Dialogue: 0,1:11:26.48,1:11:28.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,here in Ireland. We only have 1% of those.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:28.80,1:11:32.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Most of the forests you see here are ecologically dead farms
Dialogue: 0,1:11:32.24,1:11:36.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of Sitka Spruce and the rest of the landhas been clear cut to raise cows and sheep
Dialogue: 0,1:11:36.36,1:11:38.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for us to consume dairy and milk,
Dialogue: 0,1:11:38.28,1:11:39.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but maybe you live in an area
Dialogue: 0,1:11:39.72,1:11:43.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where there is some native forestand that land goes on sale and you buy it.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:43.40,1:11:46.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Under an individualistframework, a buyer can get said land
Dialogue: 0,1:11:46.68,1:11:50.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,clear cut the established forestand plant it with Sitka Spruce
Dialogue: 0,1:11:50.20,1:11:53.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to begin the process of growing, clearcutting and selling.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:53.36,1:11:55.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Through a childist framework,however,
Dialogue: 0,1:11:55.56,1:11:58.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you must consider the webof things dependent on that forest.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:58.32,1:11:59.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The trees themselves, sure,
Dialogue: 0,1:11:59.84,1:12:03.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the animals, plants and fungidependent on those trees.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:03.44,1:12:07.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if there are humans who usethe forest, you need to consider them too.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:07.28,1:12:09.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is this forest a play area for children?
Dialogue: 0,1:12:09.88,1:12:11.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A picnic spot for families?
Dialogue: 0,1:12:11.84,1:12:13.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How would they feel,
Dialogue: 0,1:12:13.04,1:12:15.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you clear cut it and fence it in?
Dialogue: 0,1:12:15.44,1:12:17.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How would they feelabout the increase in pollution
Dialogue: 0,1:12:17.72,1:12:19.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're going to experiencefrom the machines that
Dialogue: 0,1:12:19.52,1:12:23.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're going to be using to clear cutor the increased carbon released
Dialogue: 0,1:12:23.12,1:12:26.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from burning wood,the increased soil erosion, or the runoff
Dialogue: 0,1:12:26.76,1:12:30.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from fertilizer, which will cause algaeblooms in the nearby lake, c
Dialogue: 0,1:12:30.52,1:12:34.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,killing more wildlife and makingit dangerous for humans to swim in.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:34.60,1:12:37.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Shouldn't you be obligated to ask locals how they feel?
Dialogue: 0,1:12:37.40,1:12:40.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is it genuinely fairthat you are able to impact
Dialogue: 0,1:12:40.12,1:12:43.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a community of humans and animalsjust because you have the money to do so?
Dialogue: 0,1:12:43.76,1:12:47.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is it fair that any of us can tradesome socially meaningful paper money
Dialogue: 0,1:12:47.84,1:12:50.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for socially meaningful paper deeds?
Dialogue: 0,1:12:50.16,1:12:51.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then just do whatever the f*** we want?
Dialogue: 0,1:12:52.08,1:12:54.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, it might feel constrainingto have to consider
Dialogue: 0,1:12:54.12,1:12:56.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,every factor before you act,because for a lot of people
Dialogue: 0,1:12:56.76,1:12:59.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's going to meantheir actions are more limited.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:59.40,1:13:02.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For someone used to individuality,it can feel chafing.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:02.68,1:13:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it's also right.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:04.00,1:13:07.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's just right from a moral perspectiveto view things from the lenses
Dialogue: 0,1:13:07.08,1:13:10.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of interdependence and differencerather than through power and capital.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:10.76,1:13:12.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because we need each other,
Dialogue: 0,1:13:12.12,1:13:16.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we need disabled people, we need children,we need a biodiverse ecosystem.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:16.36,1:13:17.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We need a livable planet.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:17.80,1:13:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Luckily, it's not up to adults to solelyget their shit together.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:21.24,1:13:26.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Many children are already acting tobring us closer to this more just world.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:26.88,1:13:28.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Foreign Man in a Foreign Land:There are two key questions
Dialogue: 0,1:13:28.36,1:13:29.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,consistently raised by children and youth
Dialogue: 0,1:13:29.56,1:13:30.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,consistently raised by children and youth
Dialogue: 0,1:13:30.68,1:13:34.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,since the onset of the school strikesfor climate in 2018 in the Global North.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:35.04,1:13:37.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why study for a futurewhich may not be there?
Dialogue: 0,1:13:37.96,1:13:40.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why spend a lot of effortto become educated
Dialogue: 0,1:13:40.40,1:13:44.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when our governmentsare not listening to the educated?
Dialogue: 0,1:13:44.92,1:13:46.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You remember those protests?
Dialogue: 0,1:13:46.32,1:13:48.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the School Strikes for Climateseven years ago
Dialogue: 0,1:13:48.96,1:13:50.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Greta Thunberg and all that.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:50.92,1:13:53.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, that was backwhen Greta was in the media all the time.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:53.88,1:13:57.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But around about the time that she set her focus
Dialogue: 0,1:13:57.32,1:14:02.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on capitalism and colonialism,the media started to lose interest.
Dialogue: 0,1:14:02.20,1:14:06.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And by the time she was protestingIsrael's ongoing genocide in Gaza,
Dialogue: 0,1:14:06.72,1:14:09.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,getting assaulted and arrested by police,the media was so silent
Dialogue: 0,1:14:09.96,1:14:11.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that, well.
Dialogue: 0,1:14:11.72,1:14:12.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(pin drops)
Dialogue: 0,1:14:14.04,1:14:17.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that quote, There are two key questionsWhy study for a future?
Dialogue: 0,1:14:17.16,1:14:18.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why get educated?and all that
Dialogue: 0,1:14:18.28,1:14:19.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is from the beginning of a paper
Dialogue: 0,1:14:19.80,1:14:22.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by associate professor of pedagogyat the University of Stavenger
Dialogue: 0,1:14:23.12,1:14:25.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and foundational thinkerin the philosophy of childism
Dialogue: 0,1:14:25.96,1:14:27.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tanu Biswas
Dialogue: 0,1:14:27.12,1:14:30.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Biswas is like the, uh, decolonial“let’s fix the future, education
Dialogue: 0,1:14:30.56,1:14:33.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the planet” childist.A very interesting thinker.
Dialogue: 0,1:14:34.16,1:14:37.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That paper is calledBecoming Good Ancestors,
Dialogue: 0,1:14:37.12,1:14:41.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A Decolonial Childist Approach to gGobalIntergenerational Sustainability.
Dialogue: 0,1:14:41.92,1:14:44.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it startswith some very good questions.
Dialogue: 0,1:14:44.12,1:14:46.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why study for a futurethat may not be there?
Dialogue: 0,1:14:46.92,1:14:49.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why be obedienton the educational production line
Dialogue: 0,1:14:50.12,1:14:52.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to said non-existent future?
Dialogue: 0,1:14:52.08,1:14:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why value truth and knowledgewhen the systems and the people
Dialogue: 0,1:14:55.00,1:14:59.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with decision making powerdo not at all value truth and knowledge?
Dialogue: 0,1:14:59.08,1:15:01.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To me, this feelslike the same frustration
Dialogue: 0,1:15:01.80,1:15:03.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and puzzlement I feel when I see everyone
Dialogue: 0,1:15:03.80,1:15:08.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just carrying on as normal, ordering stufffrom Amazon and booking holidays.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:08.76,1:15:11.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,During this increasingly proximal climate crisis.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:11.52,1:15:13.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What's everyone doing?
Dialogue: 0,1:15:13.04,1:15:14.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What am I doing?
Dialogue: 0,1:15:14.40,1:15:15.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What's wrong with all of us?
Dialogue: 0,1:15:15.60,1:15:19.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This willingness to stand in the queueor fill in the form
Dialogue: 0,1:15:19.16,1:15:23.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,while the building is literally on firefeels really quite adult, doesn't it?
Dialogue: 0,1:15:23.28,1:15:27.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But these troublemaking children back in2018 create a really quite the disruption
Dialogue: 0,1:15:27.48,1:15:29.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of a really quite deceptivelyimportant thing
Dialogue: 0,1:15:29.84,1:15:31.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as Biswas puts it:
Dialogue: 0,1:15:31.40,1:15:32.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Foreign: a pivotal institution
Dialogue: 0,1:15:32.56,1:15:35.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of modern childhoodand one of the foundational pillars
Dialogue: 0,1:15:35.60,1:15:40.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for sustaining an intergenerationally,unjust capitalist economy -
Dialogue: 0,1:15:40.56,1:15:42.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the contemporary school.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:42.04,1:15:45.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, before I get into my own critiquesof the contemporary school,
Dialogue: 0,1:15:45.24,1:15:47.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and some people are already vibrating in anticipation.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:47.76,1:15:49.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, over here, they're like, (gasp)
Dialogue: 0,1:15:49.36,1:15:52.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's already enough conspiratorialanti-intellectualism out there.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:52.44,1:15:54.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What are ya doin Cooks?? Don't come for the schools!
Dialogue: 0,1:15:54.76,1:15:59.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And over here they're like, Yes, validatemy resentment towards elementary school.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:00.00,1:16:01.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I hate you, Mrs. Doherty!
Dialogue: 0,1:16:01.68,1:16:04.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But before we actually do itand we will, we should make
Dialogue: 0,1:16:04.12,1:16:07.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an important carveout on behalf of educators
Dialogue: 0,1:16:07.36,1:16:08.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because those who teach
Dialogue: 0,1:16:09.04,1:16:12.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so often seem to be doing itfor complete ideological reasons.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:12.64,1:16:17.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're rarely financially incentivized.Underpaid US public schoolteachers,
Dialogue: 0,1:16:17.80,1:16:20.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,English as a foreign language teacherswho actually like being English
Dialogue: 0,1:16:20.96,1:16:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a foreign language teachers, lifelongsemi impoverished academics
Dialogue: 0,1:16:25.00,1:16:29.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,searching for one really specific thingand then discovering to their delight
Dialogue: 0,1:16:29.92,1:16:33.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it's actually a millionspecific things.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:33.24,1:16:37.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Those people seem to livein a world of their own with its own rules
Dialogue: 0,1:16:37.48,1:16:40.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,similar to the world I stood outsidewith my burritos
Dialogue: 0,1:16:40.80,1:16:42.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I'm getting ahead of myself.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:42.84,1:16:43.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How do we sort this out?
Dialogue: 0,1:16:43.80,1:16:47.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, Biswas draws a helpful distinctionbetween two concepts:
Dialogue: 0,1:16:47.76,1:16:50.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,education and schooling.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:50.76,1:16:53.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Education, Biswas sees as geared towards the future,
Dialogue: 0,1:16:53.52,1:16:55.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,composed of its own pedagogical aims
Dialogue: 0,1:16:55.56,1:16:59.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and disruptions and endless reimaginings.We can all be engaged in education.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:59.28,1:17:02.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Education is a foundational human endeavor.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:02.84,1:17:05.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Schooling, on the other hand,Biswas calls a
Dialogue: 0,1:17:05.72,1:17:07.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“co-conspirator of capital”
Dialogue: 0,1:17:07.68,1:17:11.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a place to put children that is like workand teaches them about work
Dialogue: 0,1:17:11.28,1:17:14.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and teaches them how not to be trouble at work, she says.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:14.84,1:17:17.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Foreign: A key analytical  and decolonial step
Dialogue: 0,1:17:17.16,1:17:20.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I took was to recognize ‘Western schooling’
Dialogue: 0,1:17:20.28,1:17:25.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a specific mode of learning,a conspirator of capitalism deeply rooted
Dialogue: 0,1:17:25.24,1:17:30.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in philosophical racism and contributingto a global epistemological loss.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:30.60,1:17:34.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If we're going to be honest,we need to admit that a large part
Dialogue: 0,1:17:34.20,1:17:38.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the purpose of educationall over the world is employability.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:39.04,1:17:41.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That itself is an injury against children.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:41.60,1:17:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it quickly becomes worse than that
Dialogue: 0,1:17:43.00,1:17:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when we realize that this employabilityoften serves the purpose
Dialogue: 0,1:17:46.08,1:17:48.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of colonial wealth extraction,
Dialogue: 0,1:17:48.04,1:17:50.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,creating middle management for the colonies
Dialogue: 0,1:17:50.76,1:17:53.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,supervisors, civil engineers, tour guides and teachers
Dialogue: 0,1:17:54.04,1:17:58.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to expedite the theft of raw materialsand capital from the developing world.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:58.84,1:18:02.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,See, neither nor myself is being some gliblip service lefty
Dialogue: 0,1:18:02.56,1:18:04.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when we say “colonial”
Dialogue: 0,1:18:04.12,1:18:06.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is in this casea very real and material
Dialogue: 0,1:18:06.96,1:18:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and fucked up phenomenon.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:09.00,1:18:11.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You ever heard of the term “school in a box?”
Dialogue: 0,1:18:11.52,1:18:14.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah. It's not as cute as it sounds.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:14.16,1:18:17.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bridge International Academies,the world's largest
Dialogue: 0,1:18:17.28,1:18:21.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for profit primary educationchain, has around 750,000 students
Dialogue: 0,1:18:21.88,1:18:25.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in its schools in India, Kenya, Liberia,Uganda and Nigeria.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:25.08,1:18:26.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bridge is the brainchild
Dialogue: 0,1:18:26.20,1:18:30.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of two white American entrepreneurs,Shannon May and her husband Jay Kimmelman.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:30.40,1:18:33.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They saw an opportunityto undercut and outcompete
Dialogue: 0,1:18:33.36,1:18:35.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the schools in the city of Nairobi
Dialogue: 0,1:18:35.36,1:18:37.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for some of the world'smost impoverished children.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:37.68,1:18:40.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then from there, they continuedto spread all over the developing world.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:40.92,1:18:43.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They successfully raised investmentfrom some of Silicon Valley's finest
Dialogue: 0,1:18:43.96,1:18:46.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bill Gates and Pierre Omidyaramongst them.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:46.28,1:18:47.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As May herself said:
Dialogue: 0,1:18:47.52,1:18:49.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Shannon May: it was straight commercial capital
Dialogue: 0,1:18:49.84,1:18:53.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who saw, like wow, there are
Dialogue: 0,1:18:53.60,1:18:55.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a couple billion people
Dialogue: 0,1:18:55.32,1:18:58.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who don't have anyone selling them what they want
Dialogue: 0,1:18:58.72,1:19:01.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in order to successfully undercut
Dialogue: 0,1:19:01.20,1:19:03.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the existing private schools in Africa and Asia,
Dialogue: 0,1:19:03.76,1:19:06.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they needed to scale up ridiculously fast
Dialogue: 0,1:19:06.32,1:19:08.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and have irresponsibly outlay.
Dialogue: 0,1:19:08.96,1:19:11.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, like, cutting the costs of classrooms,
Dialogue: 0,1:19:11.28,1:19:14.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of classroom suppliesand teacher salaries, which they can slash
Dialogue: 0,1:19:14.84,1:19:19.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by having curricula centrally produced and distributed on tablets
Dialogue: 0,1:19:19.40,1:19:22.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so the teachers are high school graduates.
Dialogue: 0,1:19:22.44,1:19:24.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is what it is to be a school in a box
Dialogue: 0,1:19:24.56,1:19:26.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lola Sebastian:with scripted lesson plans
Dialogue: 0,1:19:26.28,1:19:28.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,delivered by tablet,which detail
Dialogue: 0,1:19:28.16,1:19:31.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what teacher should doand say at every moment of each class.
Dialogue: 0,1:19:31.80,1:19:36.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The tablets are also used to monitorlesson pacing, record attendance
Dialogue: 0,1:19:36.24,1:19:37.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and track assessment.
Dialogue: 0,1:19:37.40,1:19:39.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nicola Ansel's Shaping Global Education
Dialogue: 0,1:19:39.56,1:19:42.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,International Agendas and Governmental Powers uses the example
Dialogue: 0,1:19:42.44,1:19:45.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of another school in a box:Omega Schools
Dialogue: 0,1:19:45.48,1:19:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lola:a chain of for-profit schools
Dialogue: 0,1:19:47.00,1:19:50.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,serving, 12,000 students from nurseryto junior high school in Ghana.
Dialogue: 0,1:19:50.72,1:19:53.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Teachers are senior high school graduateswho receive one week
Dialogue: 0,1:19:53.68,1:19:57.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of pre-service training and 2 to 3 daysper term of in-service training.
Dialogue: 0,1:19:57.72,1:20:01.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Both Bridge and Omega are among 22 privateschool chains supported by
Dialogue: 0,1:20:01.36,1:20:04.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Center for Education Innovations,which is funded by
Dialogue: 0,1:20:04.20,1:20:06.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the UK's Departmentfor International Development.
Dialogue: 0,1:20:06.76,1:20:11.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Despite the seemingly low cost of suchprovision, studies suggest low cost
Dialogue: 0,1:20:11.20,1:20:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,private education exacerbates inequality,with children from rural areas and lower
Dialogue: 0,1:20:16.00,1:20:20.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,socioeconomic backgrounds underrepresentedand a widening gender gap.
Dialogue: 0,1:20:20.32,1:20:22.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it's not just low cost crapness
Dialogue: 0,1:20:22.32,1:20:24.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bridge was opening schools so fast
Dialogue: 0,1:20:24.36,1:20:27.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that sometimes they weren'teven obtaining approval to do so legally.
Dialogue: 0,1:20:27.96,1:20:31.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Kenyan governmenthad to close ten bridge schools in 2014
Dialogue: 0,1:20:31.80,1:20:33.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for violating children'sbasic safety.
Dialogue: 0,1:20:33.60,1:20:37.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At one school in Nairobiat least 11 girls were sexually assaulted
Dialogue: 0,1:20:37.24,1:20:40.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In 2019 at another school in Nairobi,
Dialogue: 0,1:20:40.12,1:20:43.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A kid was fatally electrocutedby an exposed livewire,
Dialogue: 0,1:20:43.36,1:20:45.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Bridge reached a settlement with the child's mother,
Dialogue: 0,1:20:45.92,1:20:48.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which did require them to apologize.
Dialogue: 0,1:20:48.20,1:20:51.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Shannon May and her entrepreneurial stroke of genius
Dialogue: 0,1:20:51.60,1:20:55.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bridge International Academies has received funding from the World Bank,
Dialogue: 0,1:20:55.44,1:20:58.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,glowing praise from the New YorkTimes and sits as the gold standard
Dialogue: 0,1:20:58.96,1:21:02.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the future of for profit educationthe world over.
Dialogue: 0,1:21:02.40,1:21:08.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'm just going to let that sitwith you at this time in this age
Dialogue: 0,1:21:08.16,1:21:12.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where we know that the plan is definitelynot to make the Global South richer,
Dialogue: 0,1:21:12.84,1:21:16.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is to make the poor everywhere poorer.
Dialogue: 0,1:21:16.68,1:21:19.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tanu Biswasa self-avowed child ist with a penchant
Dialogue: 0,1:21:19.40,1:21:22.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the anti-colonial, has other ideasabout what the f*** we should do.
Dialogue: 0,1:21:22.80,1:21:25.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A different imaginable world.
Dialogue: 0,1:21:25.56,1:21:29.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She lays out four strategies to reimagine education
Dialogue: 0,1:21:29.44,1:21:30.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in no particular order.
Dialogue: 0,1:21:30.84,1:21:32.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One: move away from capitalism
Dialogue: 0,1:21:32.44,1:21:35.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as the modus operandifor which schooling is in service.
Dialogue: 0,1:21:35.60,1:21:38.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Forget bullshit jobs and employability.
Dialogue: 0,1:21:38.04,1:21:41.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Stop trying to create capitalout of young people.
Dialogue: 0,1:21:41.20,1:21:44.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Foreign: the paradox of a global education agenda geared towards
Dialogue: 0,1:21:44.64,1:21:48.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,generating human capitalemployable on a job market
Dialogue: 0,1:21:48.20,1:21:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that most of those jobs,if at all, they will be there, continue
Dialogue: 0,1:21:52.00,1:21:55.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,serving the very economic systemthat is threatening the right to life,
Dialogue: 0,1:21:55.80,1:21:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,health, culture,especially for indigenous communities
Dialogue: 0,1:21:59.16,1:22:02.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the best interests of futuregenerations on this planet.
Dialogue: 0,1:22:02.92,1:22:04.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Two: restructure and reclaim
Dialogue: 0,1:22:04.48,1:22:06.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the spacio-temporalityof global childhoods.
Dialogue: 0,1:22:07.00,1:22:08.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What does that mean?
Dialogue: 0,1:22:08.04,1:22:11.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it means that different places are different to each other.
Dialogue: 0,1:22:11.20,1:22:14.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And education should take placein community by community.
Dialogue: 0,1:22:14.64,1:22:19.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What Biswas calls, quote, adaptingformal education to local realities.
Dialogue: 0,1:22:19.72,1:22:23.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,See schooling takes childrenout of community and assimilates them
Dialogue: 0,1:22:23.44,1:22:25.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into standard capitalist aims.
Dialogue: 0,1:22:25.64,1:22:27.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Colonial wealth extractionmolds them in the
Dialogue: 0,1:22:27.96,1:22:31.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Western norm of the employable upward climber.
Dialogue: 0,1:22:31.96,1:22:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Examples like Bridge and Omega showthat a lot of the time standardizing
Dialogue: 0,1:22:36.00,1:22:38.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has less to do with meeting a high pedagogical standard
Dialogue: 0,1:22:38.88,1:22:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than it has to do with establishingan acceptable lowest standard.
Dialogue: 0,1:22:42.12,1:22:46.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Large scale standardizededucation is often an homogenizing force
Dialogue: 0,1:22:46.68,1:22:50.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,self-replicating and modularand production line-esque
Dialogue: 0,1:22:50.56,1:22:52.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even in the best of free education systems,
Dialogue: 0,1:22:52.80,1:22:56.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,often schooling is fundamentallyputting children in boxes.
Dialogue: 0,1:22:56.48,1:22:59.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This means that the differencesbetween children can become a problem
Dialogue: 0,1:22:59.76,1:23:02.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the differences between cultures equally so.
Dialogue: 0,1:23:03.00,1:23:07.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is why Sami children in Norwegianschools have their culture brushed over
Dialogue: 0,1:23:07.16,1:23:11.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First Nations people in Canadian schools,Native Americans, Australian Aboriginals.
Dialogue: 0,1:23:11.64,1:23:14.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is whyTraveler children in Irish schools
Dialogue: 0,1:23:14.36,1:23:16.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't get recognizedas a different culture
Dialogue: 0,1:23:16.88,1:23:19.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,except when they're being called slurs, of course.
Dialogue: 0,1:23:20.04,1:23:21.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like there's a story from one paper
Dialogue: 0,1:23:21.80,1:23:24.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of a school in Irelandputting on an Intercultural Day
Dialogue: 0,1:23:24.84,1:23:26.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they invitedthe media and everything,
Dialogue: 0,1:23:26.52,1:23:28.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it was probably the only time in the whole year
Dialogue: 0,1:23:28.56,1:23:30.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the Polish kids or the Ukrainian kids
Dialogue: 0,1:23:30.40,1:23:32.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the kids from Nigeriahad their culture celebrated.
Dialogue: 0,1:23:32.88,1:23:36.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But they had the traveler kids lumped inwith the settled kids.
Dialogue: 0,1:23:36.44,1:23:40.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, officially categorizingthem as not a culture
Dialogue: 0,1:23:40.12,1:23:43.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,worthy of celebration or even recognition.
Dialogue: 0,1:23:43.16,1:23:48.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This absolute cultural vandalismthat permeates global education
Dialogue: 0,1:23:48.20,1:23:51.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and “development” is the same phenomenon that allows a couple
Dialogue: 0,1:23:51.84,1:23:54.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like Shannon May and Jay Kimmelman
Dialogue: 0,1:23:54.12,1:23:56.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who, if you'll forgivejust a wee bit of editorializing,
Dialogue: 0,1:23:56.80,1:24:00.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are a disgusting pair of white, money-hungry colonizer
Dialogue: 0,1:24:00.40,1:24:04.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Silicon Valley loveless c*** c***swho think they can just rock on over
Dialogue: 0,1:24:04.20,1:24:08.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to Kenya with zero cultural connection,zero curiosity and just pump out shit
Dialogue: 0,1:24:08.32,1:24:12.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,standard schools, endangeringchildren, ruthlessly profiteering,
Dialogue: 0,1:24:12.32,1:24:14.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all for the benefit of their investorsand the future investors
Dialogue: 0,1:24:14.76,1:24:17.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a more employableand exploitable Africa.
Dialogue: 0,1:24:17.80,1:24:21.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,While Biswas cautions very directlyagainst forces like nationalism
Dialogue: 0,1:24:22.04,1:24:26.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and xenophobia in embracing the communityand culture side of education,
Dialogue: 0,1:24:26.44,1:24:29.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she nonetheless encouragesindigenous teaching practices
Dialogue: 0,1:24:29.88,1:24:33.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the schoolas a center of cultural celebration
Dialogue: 0,1:24:33.80,1:24:37.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and integration, which dovetailsnicely with her next strategy.
Dialogue: 0,1:24:38.08,1:24:42.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Simply, make existing institutionsand educational systems work.
Dialogue: 0,1:24:42.92,1:24:46.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So here we immediatelystep back into the science of pedagogy,
Dialogue: 0,1:24:46.32,1:24:49.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the best practices in education,the study of childhood.
Dialogue: 0,1:24:49.68,1:24:51.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are things that work.
Dialogue: 0,1:24:51.36,1:24:55.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are many things that workthat schools the world over do not do
Dialogue: 0,1:24:55.80,1:24:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they haven't caught upwith the recent research,
Dialogue: 0,1:24:58.00,1:25:01.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or they're too expensiveor they would work
Dialogue: 0,1:25:01.08,1:25:05.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but other things would have to be in placein the community for them to work.
Dialogue: 0,1:25:05.52,1:25:08.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is probably the broadestof all of Biswas’ strategies,
Dialogue: 0,1:25:08.60,1:25:11.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, but that's because it runs the gamut of some really important stuff.
Dialogue: 0,1:25:11.56,1:25:13.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,things like apprenticeship practices
Dialogue: 0,1:25:14.08,1:25:17.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and passing on skills,involving the community in teaching.
Dialogue: 0,1:25:17.72,1:25:21.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Helping parents to help kids, to helpteachers, to help kids, to help parents.
Dialogue: 0,1:25:21.64,1:25:23.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As Biswas herself says:
Dialogue: 0,1:25:23.68,1:25:25.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Foreign:Existing institutional settings
Dialogue: 0,1:25:25.64,1:25:30.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such as kindergartens and old homes,can be used as intergenerational learning
Dialogue: 0,1:25:30.52,1:25:35.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sites to combine education and carefor children and aging populations.
Dialogue: 0,1:25:35.40,1:25:39.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So finally,rethink the inseparable imaginations
Dialogue: 0,1:25:39.96,1:25:42.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of childhood and education afresh.
Dialogue: 0,1:25:42.56,1:25:48.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is, completely blow up the invisibleideological assumptions of education.
Dialogue: 0,1:25:48.32,1:25:51.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Blow up the aims of children's advancementthrough that system.
Dialogue: 0,1:25:51.68,1:25:55.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Completely reimaginethe life you want for these kids.
Dialogue: 0,1:25:56.00,1:25:58.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Foreign:  Broadening epistemological horizons
Dialogue: 0,1:25:58.24,1:26:00.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on living a good lifecould enable
Dialogue: 0,1:26:00.32,1:26:03.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,diverse forms of intergenerational relating with children
Dialogue: 0,1:26:03.52,1:26:07.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that their learning is responsiveto the broader cultural, socioeconomic
Dialogue: 0,1:26:07.92,1:26:11.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and political changeswithin their societies and beyond.
Dialogue: 0,1:26:11.40,1:26:15.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, we're going to be puttingour little baby in school at some point.
Dialogue: 0,1:26:15.28,1:26:17.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't want Bábóg tohave their imagination
Dialogue: 0,1:26:17.76,1:26:20.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,curtailed by the goals that society invents for them.
Dialogue: 0,1:26:21.04,1:26:25.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want to engender a very broad ideaand a functioning broad idea
Dialogue: 0,1:26:25.28,1:26:27.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of what a good life is.
Dialogue: 0,1:26:27.52,1:26:30.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I want this child to teach mewhat a good life can be.
Dialogue: 0,1:26:31.12,1:26:34.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I want my dear baby's education to be an endless
Dialogue: 0,1:26:34.56,1:26:38.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unfolding of the possibilities of a good life.
Dialogue: 0,1:26:38.24,1:26:42.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we're we're away with the fairies now,but in for a f***ing penny, right?
Dialogue: 0,1:26:42.76,1:26:44.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With a view to all of these strategies,
Dialogue: 0,1:26:44.68,1:26:49.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Biswas proposes we re-imagine educationas community formation
Dialogue: 0,1:26:49.68,1:26:51.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Foreign:to foreground the intrinsic value
Dialogue: 0,1:26:51.92,1:26:56.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of learning and realign the entangledpurpose of education, economy
Dialogue: 0,1:26:57.00,1:27:01.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and community livelihoods with the overallpurpose of life on this planet.
Dialogue: 0,1:27:01.36,1:27:05.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I propose reimagining educationby redefining development
Dialogue: 0,1:27:05.44,1:27:11.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as nurturing diversity and expandingthe scope of intergenerational life.
Dialogue: 0,1:27:11.24,1:27:12.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'm saying
Dialogue: 0,1:27:12.56,1:27:13.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes And
Dialogue: 0,1:27:13.96,1:27:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,let's reimagine learning and teachingand discovering and nurturing
Dialogue: 0,1:27:18.20,1:27:21.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as the foundational unit of human existence,
Dialogue: 0,1:27:21.96,1:27:23.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like, go with me here,
Dialogue: 0,1:27:23.96,1:27:25.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What are we doing?
Dialogue: 0,1:27:25.84,1:27:27.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is life?
Dialogue: 0,1:27:27.24,1:27:30.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is the purpose of this society thing that we've built?
Dialogue: 0,1:27:30.56,1:27:32.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is it “line go up”?
Dialogue: 0,1:27:32.80,1:27:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like “our investments arecurrently relatively well future-proofed?
Dialogue: 0,1:27:36.24,1:27:38.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're all very excited about AI.
Dialogue: 0,1:27:38.48,1:27:39.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All it's taking,
Dialogue: 0,1:27:39.44,1:27:42.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,killing all the poor and filling everyonewith murderous rage for outgroups
Dialogue: 0,1:27:42.64,1:27:43.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and just generally
Dialogue: 0,1:27:43.36,1:27:46.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a complete ideological brainwashingof whole generations of human
Dialogue: 0,1:27:46.44,1:27:48.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such that they will lose their very souls.
Dialogue: 0,1:27:48.56,1:27:49.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Price Of eggs a little high.
Dialogue: 0,1:27:49.92,1:27:53.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But price of gasoline surprisinglyaffordable, all things considered.”
Dialogue: 0,1:27:54.52,1:27:56.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, what are we doing?
Dialogue: 0,1:27:57.32,1:28:00.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even when we propose these alternate theories of economic value
Dialogue: 0,1:28:00.88,1:28:02.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm not a Luddite coming for Marx,
Dialogue: 0,1:28:02.84,1:28:04.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a lot of our workhas a marxist underpinning.
Dialogue: 0,1:28:04.80,1:28:08.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I'm actually just askingsome childlike questions like why
Dialogue: 0,1:28:08.56,1:28:13.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in order to produce alternateimagined ways of structuring things.
Dialogue: 0,1:28:13.68,1:28:16.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And a big part of the reasonwhy I'm so excited
Dialogue: 0,1:28:16.04,1:28:17.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by philosophical childism
Dialogue: 0,1:28:17.56,1:28:19.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is because, well,  One: we've been saying
Dialogue: 0,1:28:19.36,1:28:20.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a lot of this stuff for years.
Dialogue: 0,1:28:20.52,1:28:25.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And two, you know, I kind of always hada suspicion that children were people.
Dialogue: 0,1:28:25.56,1:28:29.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But three, and most importantly,when I read those words,
Dialogue: 0,1:28:30.00,1:28:34.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“reimagine educationas community formation”
Dialogue: 0,1:28:34.16,1:28:38.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was transported back to that hospitalcar park where I stood
Dialogue: 0,1:28:38.64,1:28:42.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the threshold between an economic world and a nurturing world.
Dialogue: 0,1:28:42.44,1:28:43.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And instead of that nurturing world
Dialogue: 0,1:28:43.72,1:28:47.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just vaguely existing in a cozy,but directionless utopia,
Dialogue: 0,1:28:47.40,1:28:50.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,suddenly in my imagination,we had something to be doing:
Dialogue: 0,1:28:50.76,1:28:53.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,learning and discovering and teaching
Dialogue: 0,1:28:53.08,1:28:56.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that already is a foundational human endeavor.
Dialogue: 0,1:28:56.56,1:29:00.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What if that were thebasis of our entire society?
Dialogue: 0,1:29:01.72,1:29:03.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I know what you're going to say.
Dialogue: 0,1:29:04.40,1:29:06.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not.
Dialogue: 0,1:29:07.08,1:29:08.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So grow up.
Dialogue: 0,1:29:08.68,1:29:10.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,🎵 frantic jazz saxophone 🎵
Dialogue: 0,1:29:10.88,1:29:13.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sarah: well, I think you'll have  a conclusion now.
Dialogue: 0,1:29:13.96,1:29:15.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Neil: Yeah, uh, will I?
Dialogue: 0,1:29:15.72,1:29:17.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Will I have a conclusion?
Dialogue: 0,1:29:17.24,1:29:21.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because from where I'm sitting, we kind ofjust did the same thing we always do
Dialogue: 0,1:29:21.24,1:29:25.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where we raise the stakes, and it's allvery urgent and important and inspiring.
Dialogue: 0,1:29:25.88,1:29:27.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But you know, what we didn't do actually?
Dialogue: 0,1:29:27.76,1:29:30.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is we didn't answer the f***ing question.
Dialogue: 0,1:29:30.48,1:29:31.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,uh
Dialogue: 0,1:29:31.84,1:29:34.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“Why do people think beingchildlike is bad?”
Dialogue: 0,1:29:35.04,1:29:36.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sarah:Neil It's video essay.
Dialogue: 0,1:29:36.76,1:29:38.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They have framing devices.
Dialogue: 0,1:29:38.36,1:29:41.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We don't necessarily need to havean answer to that question
Dialogue: 0,1:29:41.56,1:29:42.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Neil: but we could!
Dialogue: 0,1:29:43.04,1:29:47.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We could sit with people in their messy,embarrassing feelings
Dialogue: 0,1:29:47.68,1:29:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about kids, like the actual sourceof the nasty things that people say.
Dialogue: 0,1:29:52.08,1:29:56.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we could like empathize with thatand then come through it.
Dialogue: 0,1:29:56.52,1:30:01.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you know, if we're worth listening to,we can still make a compelling case
Dialogue: 0,1:30:01.08,1:30:04.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for this philosophywith some love intact or whatever.
Dialogue: 0,1:30:05.04,1:30:10.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But if all we're actuallydealing in is idealism, then it's just
Dialogue: 0,1:30:10.44,1:30:12.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,set decoration.
Dialogue: 0,1:30:12.56,1:30:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Imagined worlds, but not much else.
Dialogue: 0,1:30:16.00,1:30:17.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(slam)
Dialogue: 0,1:30:20.04,1:30:21.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have a pet theory,
Dialogue: 0,1:30:21.60,1:30:25.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a suspicion really, that a lot of people'sdiscomfort with children
Dialogue: 0,1:30:25.28,1:30:28.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that things in the world in this dark
Dialogue: 0,1:30:28.48,1:30:32.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,timeline are so grossly out ofwhack with our things are supposed to be
Dialogue: 0,1:30:32.68,1:30:35.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that children existing in this worldis not as it's supposed to be.
Dialogue: 0,1:30:35.76,1:30:37.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so your relationship with childrenis not as it should be.
Dialogue: 0,1:30:37.92,1:30:42.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so by extension,the children themselves should not be.
Dialogue: 0,1:30:42.24,1:30:43.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's similar to the cliché.
Dialogue: 0,1:30:43.80,1:30:48.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I remember when all of this was treesas far the eye could see, except it's
Dialogue: 0,1:30:48.72,1:30:53.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I remember when childhood wasn't disgusting.
Dialogue: 0,1:30:53.40,1:30:55.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there's a great dealI can empathize with
Dialogue: 0,1:30:55.44,1:30:57.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the way that parents become unreachable,
Dialogue: 0,1:30:57.96,1:31:01.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether that's friends,like essentially ceasing to exist
Dialogue: 0,1:31:01.60,1:31:06.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as their own people or strangers seeminglyparsing their entire existence aroundchildren
Dialogue: 0,1:31:06.80,1:31:10.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or it’s parentsasserting their rights as parents
Dialogue: 0,1:31:10.44,1:31:16.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to dominate and dictate all of societyup to and including their own children.
Dialogue: 0,1:31:16.64,1:31:18.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you!
Dialogue: 0,1:31:18.20,1:31:20.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can sympathize with not knowinghow to interact with children.
Dialogue: 0,1:31:20.96,1:31:25.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not your fault that Western society,and particularly white American society
Dialogue: 0,1:31:25.68,1:31:30.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,decided to be so age-segregatedand gave you every reason to be ashamed
Dialogue: 0,1:31:30.40,1:31:33.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of your inherent childish qualitiesand therefore to race ahead
Dialogue: 0,1:31:33.28,1:31:35.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and escape childhood
Dialogue: 0,1:31:35.12,1:31:37.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,while giving you zero tools to then engage
Dialogue: 0,1:31:37.68,1:31:40.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the new children that,yknow, keep coming into existence.
Dialogue: 0,1:31:40.80,1:31:44.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can sympathize with strugglingwith noise or with sensory stuff
Dialogue: 0,1:31:44.56,1:31:48.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I'm autistic and I often findexactly those things rather difficult.
Dialogue: 0,1:31:48.80,1:31:50.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I find it especially difficult at first
Dialogue: 0,1:31:50.80,1:31:53.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I'm interacting with a childthat I haven't met before.
Dialogue: 0,1:31:53.20,1:31:55.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And even though I think people would say I'm good with kids,
Dialogue: 0,1:31:55.64,1:31:59.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think I put on a good showand I put in effort.
Dialogue: 0,1:31:59.16,1:32:01.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But internally I'm struggling.
Dialogue: 0,1:32:01.40,1:32:03.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Adults would say that I'm good with kids.
Dialogue: 0,1:32:03.24,1:32:05.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Kids can see through my bullshit.
Dialogue: 0,1:32:06.04,1:32:07.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, it's deconstructed, which is good.
Dialogue: 0,1:32:07.88,1:32:09.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can especially sympathize right now
Dialogue: 0,1:32:09.40,1:32:11.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I haven't slept in 13f***ing weeks!
Dialogue: 0,1:32:11.88,1:32:12.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,having a baby
Dialogue: 0,1:32:13.00,1:32:15.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, this baby's remarkably chill,
Dialogue: 0,1:32:15.12,1:32:16.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but that doesn't meanthat it's not screaming
Dialogue: 0,1:32:16.72,1:32:18.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and puking and pooping and all the rest.
Dialogue: 0,1:32:18.72,1:32:23.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in between, it's the most disarmingsmiles and chuckles you've ever seen.
Dialogue: 0,1:32:23.28,1:32:27.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I assure you, newborns can smile sociallyand it's just as f***ing well.
Dialogue: 0,1:32:27.96,1:32:29.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,See, I'm Irish. I don't.
Dialogue: 0,1:32:29.08,1:32:32.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't have to make sure that I'm comingacross as positive or diplomatic.
Dialogue: 0,1:32:32.32,1:32:38.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You maybe don't know if I'm jokingwhen I say that all children are bastards.
Dialogue: 0,1:32:38.28,1:32:39.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Pains in the arse!
Dialogue: 0,1:32:39.80,1:32:41.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But you know,
Dialogue: 0,1:32:41.28,1:32:44.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm actually doing somethingby admitting to myself
Dialogue: 0,1:32:44.20,1:32:46.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I have negative thoughtsabout kids sometimes
Dialogue: 0,1:32:46.24,1:32:48.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or that I'm crap with kids sometimes
Dialogue: 0,1:32:48.36,1:32:50.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm being honest and frankand a bit ugly
Dialogue: 0,1:32:50.76,1:32:53.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not in order to escapea social responsibility,
Dialogue: 0,1:32:53.24,1:32:57.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but in order to understand why I findthat social responsibility difficult.
Dialogue: 0,1:32:57.56,1:32:59.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because I'll let you in on a little secret here.
Dialogue: 0,1:32:59.96,1:33:02.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't like adults either.
Dialogue: 0,1:33:02.12,1:33:03.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't like any ofmy social responsibilities.
Dialogue: 0,1:33:03.88,1:33:04.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm a recluse!
Dialogue: 0,1:33:04.76,1:33:06.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My favorite way to talk to people
Dialogue: 0,1:33:06.20,1:33:09.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is curated monologues uploaded to a YouTube channel.
Dialogue: 0,1:33:09.40,1:33:11.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know that people's discomfortwith people,
Dialogue: 0,1:33:11.56,1:33:13.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even with categories of person
Dialogue: 0,1:33:13.44,1:33:17.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,comes from a place, has reasonsthat people think are justified.
Dialogue: 0,1:33:17.64,1:33:18.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And my suspicion
Dialogue: 0,1:33:18.72,1:33:19.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(smashy)
Dialogue: 0,1:33:19.44,1:33:23.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that this growing discomfortgenerally towards children generally
Dialogue: 0,1:33:23.12,1:33:25.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,comes from a combinationof our segregating them,
Dialogue: 0,1:33:25.84,1:33:27.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our alienation from community
Dialogue: 0,1:33:27.92,1:33:30.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and our disgust more  generally at the world that we live in
Dialogue: 0,1:33:30.68,1:33:33.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is really f***ed upbecause those issues
Dialogue: 0,1:33:33.24,1:33:35.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really negatively impact children.
Dialogue: 0,1:33:35.28,1:33:36.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you and the children,
Dialogue: 0,1:33:36.88,1:33:40.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you are oppressed by common enemies on all of those fronts.
Dialogue: 0,1:33:40.36,1:33:43.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think if anyone was goingto be disgusted by anyone,
Dialogue: 0,1:33:43.44,1:33:46.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's children should be disgusted by us.
Dialogue: 0,1:33:46.08,1:33:49.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when childrenand those that remind us of children
Dialogue: 0,1:33:49.20,1:33:53.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ask why the world is this way,how do we respond?
Dialogue: 0,1:33:53.36,1:33:54.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Grow up.
Dialogue: 0,1:33:54.12,1:33:56.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not a million miles away from “Shut up” is it?
Dialogue: 0,1:33:56.76,1:33:59.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, my God. Sarah. Cormac,we've got a conclusion.
Dialogue: 0,1:33:59.12,1:34:01.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've got a conclusion now!I can do a conclusion.
Dialogue: 0,1:34:01.16,1:34:02.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Conclusion!
Dialogue: 0,1:34:02.32,1:34:04.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(anticlimactic scarpering)
Dialogue: 0,1:34:04.44,1:34:06.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,🎵 bass note 🎵
Dialogue: 0,1:34:06.56,1:34:10.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So why get bent out of shape about being told to grow up?
Dialogue: 0,1:34:10.32,1:34:11.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's no big deal.
Dialogue: 0,1:34:11.48,1:34:13.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's actually not a big deal.
Dialogue: 0,1:34:13.08,1:34:14.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're admitting it 3 hours later.
Dialogue: 0,1:34:14.28,1:34:15.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Show's over, everybody! Byeeeee!
Dialogue: 0,1:34:15.88,1:34:17.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Turns out, grow up,it just wasn’t a big deal
Dialogue: 0,1:34:17.84,1:34:19.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s not a big deal.
Dialogue: 0,1:34:19.64,1:34:22.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you think we'd have gotten this farif we couldn't handle an insult or two?
Dialogue: 0,1:34:22.72,1:34:24.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We made a video about being vegan.
Dialogue: 0,1:34:24.72,1:34:26.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can handle being insulted.
Dialogue: 0,1:34:26.40,1:34:28.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And “Grow Up”isn't even really an insult, is it?
Dialogue: 0,1:34:28.56,1:34:29.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's just a
Dialogue: 0,1:34:29.80,1:34:30.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...
Dialogue: 0,1:34:30.76,1:34:32.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thing people say?
Dialogue: 0,1:34:32.64,1:34:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I maybe it would wound someone if theywere particularly sensitive or vulnerable.
Dialogue: 0,1:34:37.08,1:34:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, it's it'sprobably not nice to say, but an insult?
Dialogue: 0,1:34:41.08,1:34:42.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Had you thought about that before today?
Dialogue: 0,1:34:42.96,1:34:45.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Had you thought about what people meanwhen they say grow up?
Dialogue: 0,1:34:45.40,1:34:48.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Had you questionedwhat people generally think of children
Dialogue: 0,1:34:48.52,1:34:51.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what people think of the qualitiesof being childlike?
Dialogue: 0,1:34:51.52,1:34:54.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Had you examined your own attitudes to those things?
Dialogue: 0,1:34:54.60,1:34:57.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because in reality, grow up is an insult.
Dialogue: 0,1:34:57.56,1:35:02.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's just an insult which policesvery popular social conformities
Dialogue: 0,1:35:02.28,1:35:04.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And people do really thinkvery little of children
Dialogue: 0,1:35:04.72,1:35:08.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and take a particularly dim view ofthe childlike qualities of vulnerability,
Dialogue: 0,1:35:08.64,1:35:12.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dependance, imagination and any insistence on asking the question “Why”
Dialogue: 0,1:35:12.80,1:35:16.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, like with Grow Up, these are alsovery popular social conformities
Dialogue: 0,1:35:16.92,1:35:19.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm still not sure where I standexactly
Dialogue: 0,1:35:19.56,1:35:22.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On the whole, going low going high thing
Dialogue: 0,1:35:22.88,1:35:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because, I mean, in the ridiculous
Dialogue: 0,1:35:24.00,1:35:26.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,arena of politics on the Internet,I've definitely fired off
Dialogue: 0,1:35:26.96,1:35:30.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my share of insults,many of which I am frankly still proud of.
Dialogue: 0,1:35:30.80,1:35:34.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But know that I firmly standby interrogating my own attitudes
Dialogue: 0,1:35:34.44,1:35:37.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and keeping an eyeon what those insults are about.
Dialogue: 0,1:35:37.64,1:35:41.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These are insult heavy times.Far from duels of honor,
Dialogue: 0,1:35:41.28,1:35:45.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it just seems like the lowest commondenominator of Twitter honourlessness
Dialogue: 0,1:35:45.24,1:35:50.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has taken over every other sphereof, in particular, American society.
Dialogue: 0,1:35:50.32,1:35:53.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It makes me wonder what will be considered childish tomorrow?
Dialogue: 0,1:35:53.92,1:35:56.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What level of injusticeand violence and cruelty
Dialogue: 0,1:35:57.08,1:36:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will we be told next is just normal
Dialogue: 0,1:36:00.00,1:36:03.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that instead of fighting it,we should just grow up?
Dialogue: 0,1:36:03.56,1:36:06.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What will be the next shiftingof the goalposts, you know,
Dialogue: 0,1:36:06.36,1:36:09.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that even more of the thoughtful,curious people
Dialogue: 0,1:36:09.52,1:36:14.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,get mischaracterized as unrealistic children?
Dialogue: 0,1:36:14.64,1:36:16.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sarah: drinking tea again
Dialogue: 0,1:36:16.40,1:36:17.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you know, you know.
Dialogue: 0,1:36:17.80,1:36:19.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In caring for a baby,
Dialogue: 0,1:36:19.32,1:36:22.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm supposed to feel very adult,but I don't.
Dialogue: 0,1:36:22.44,1:36:27.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's because “adult” is a social constructand “child” is a social construct.
Dialogue: 0,1:36:27.56,1:36:28.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, we know this.
Dialogue: 0,1:36:28.36,1:36:30.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Children face more lenient sentences in court.
Dialogue: 0,1:36:30.72,1:36:34.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if a crime is bad,we decide to charge a child as an adult
Dialogue: 0,1:36:34.20,1:36:38.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we just wave a rhetorical wand, and nowthey're more complicit in their actions.
Dialogue: 0,1:36:38.52,1:36:42.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when a white 20-something athletesexually assaults someone,
Dialogue: 0,1:36:42.48,1:36:45.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we plead for mercyby calling him a college kid.
Dialogue: 0,1:36:45.40,1:36:49.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The frame of child or adult carries weightand biases our perceptions of reality.
Dialogue: 0,1:36:49.52,1:36:53.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And based on that misunderstanding,we make decisions that should horrify us
Dialogue: 0,1:36:53.96,1:36:56.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like separating calvesfrom their screaming mothers or giving
Dialogue: 0,1:36:57.00,1:36:59.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,infant children medical procedureswithout pain meds.
Dialogue: 0,1:36:59.92,1:37:01.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have power over some people.
Dialogue: 0,1:37:01.56,1:37:03.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some people are weaker than us.
Dialogue: 0,1:37:03.40,1:37:06.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Adults have power over children,but children's dependance
Dialogue: 0,1:37:06.32,1:37:07.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doesn't mean they're lesser.
Dialogue: 0,1:37:07.72,1:37:11.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The fact that they can be so utterlydominated does not make it moral to do so.
Dialogue: 0,1:37:12.16,1:37:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you don't need to like children.
Dialogue: 0,1:37:14.00,1:37:18.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't need to enjoy the settingof an Irish pub during communion week.
Dialogue: 0,1:37:18.16,1:37:22.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would advise you not to hate themthough, because prejudice is stupid
Dialogue: 0,1:37:22.64,1:37:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there are probably a lot of children
Dialogue: 0,1:37:24.00,1:37:27.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who fall outside of whateverstereotyped vision you have of them.
Dialogue: 0,1:37:27.60,1:37:29.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I can't tell you how to feel.
Dialogue: 0,1:37:29.84,1:37:32.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can tell you that you can'tdiscriminate against them.
Dialogue: 0,1:37:32.72,1:37:34.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and that doesn't mean you can’t get
Dialogue: 0,1:37:34.36,1:37:36.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,accommodations for your own needs.
Dialogue: 0,1:37:36.56,1:37:41.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think we can come up with all kindsof clever solutions for competing needs.
Dialogue: 0,1:37:41.64,1:37:44.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you're someone really struggles with noise,
Dialogue: 0,1:37:44.04,1:37:47.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then I think it's validto have a designated quiet car on a train
Dialogue: 0,1:37:47.44,1:37:50.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that someone doesn'tbring a screaming baby into.
Dialogue: 0,1:37:50.52,1:37:54.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I don't think it's validto have a child-free train car
Dialogue: 0,1:37:54.60,1:37:59.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because there's some kid out therewho's like a little baby Neil who also finds
Dialogue: 0,1:37:59.04,1:38:03.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,noise really upsetting and would also liketo sit in the quiet space.
Dialogue: 0,1:38:03.12,1:38:05.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is all providedthat it's just one portion of a train
Dialogue: 0,1:38:05.96,1:38:07.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the screamingbaby is still allowed somewhere
Dialogue: 0,1:38:07.80,1:38:10.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because the screamingbaby is a human.
Dialogue: 0,1:38:10.20,1:38:11.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Besides, if you're from the States watching this
Dialogue: 0,1:38:11.80,1:38:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I say this as a fellow USAnian
Dialogue: 0,1:38:14.00,1:38:16.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I promise you,you don't want to give Europeans the right
Dialogue: 0,1:38:16.44,1:38:20.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to kick you out of public spaceson the basis of the volume of your voices,
Dialogue: 0,1:38:21.00,1:38:22.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because rights shouldn'tbe something we grant based on
Dialogue: 0,1:38:22.92,1:38:25.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether someone is likable or not,or whether someone has
Dialogue: 0,1:38:26.00,1:38:29.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,good social awarenessor whether someone is autonomous.
Dialogue: 0,1:38:29.64,1:38:32.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our little Bábóg is not autonomous
Dialogue: 0,1:38:32.36,1:38:33.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they have woken me up
Dialogue: 0,1:38:33.96,1:38:39.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,every few hours for the last few monthsto be fed, to be held, to be entertained.
Dialogue: 0,1:38:39.96,1:38:41.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'm delighted to provide that
Dialogue: 0,1:38:41.96,1:38:44.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I'm madly in love.
Dialogue: 0,1:38:44.20,1:38:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it's not always easy either.
Dialogue: 0,1:38:46.00,1:38:47.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Caregiving isn't easy.
Dialogue: 0,1:38:47.72,1:38:50.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Watching out for the rights of othersisn't easy, but it's moral.
Dialogue: 0,1:38:50.80,1:38:52.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s Praxis.
Dialogue: 0,1:38:52.24,1:38:53.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Next time you’re with a child
Dialogue: 0,1:38:53.48,1:38:56.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ask yourself if you’d treat an adultthe same way you're treating them.
Dialogue: 0,1:38:56.76,1:38:58.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you’d rip somethingout of an adult's hands
Dialogue: 0,1:38:58.84,1:39:01.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or make them ask permissionto use the bathroom
Dialogue: 0,1:39:01.08,1:39:04.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or bar them from public spaceor hit them when you feel angry.
Dialogue: 0,1:39:04.40,1:39:05.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because when you strip away
Dialogue: 0,1:39:05.76,1:39:09.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the social construction of adultand child, you're left with human
Dialogue: 0,1:39:09.36,1:39:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And one group of humanswho is allowed to mistreat
Dialogue: 0,1:39:12.00,1:39:16.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,another on the basis of their needing more care.
Dialogue: 0,1:39:16.36,1:39:17.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Neil: and hey, maybe we are being
Dialogue: 0,1:39:17.52,1:39:19.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hippy-drippy and unrealistic
Dialogue: 0,1:39:19.20,1:39:21.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe we're being glib.
Dialogue: 0,1:39:21.04,1:39:25.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's easy to be theater kidswaving your arms and telling people
Dialogue: 0,1:39:25.20,1:39:29.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how exciting something is, but it doesn'tput out the flames of a world on fire.
Dialogue: 0,1:39:29.32,1:39:31.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And while I'm keen,in fact desperate,
Dialogue: 0,1:39:31.84,1:39:33.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to really do something
Dialogue: 0,1:39:33.72,1:39:35.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm also aware of the white savior advocate
Dialogue: 0,1:39:35.88,1:39:39.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for marginalized group, well-meaning wanker trap
Dialogue: 0,1:39:39.08,1:39:41.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as Biswas puts it:
Dialogue: 0,1:39:41.20,1:39:45.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is here that I invite readersto pause the hasty urge to lean
Dialogue: 0,1:39:45.04,1:39:48.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into performingthe logistics of implementation.
Dialogue: 0,1:39:48.12,1:39:50.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But equally, this videomight actually have
Dialogue: 0,1:39:50.36,1:39:53.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some small impact onhow sound you are to children
Dialogue: 0,1:39:53.76,1:39:57.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the amount of respect you treat themwith, and that will materially affect
Dialogue: 0,1:39:57.96,1:39:58.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some children.
Dialogue: 0,1:39:58.84,1:40:00.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which matters. It's worth talking about!
Dialogue: 0,1:40:00.84,1:40:01.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, on the bigger level,
Dialogue: 0,1:40:01.92,1:40:04.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yeah, we're pitchingimagined alternative realities,
Dialogue: 0,1:40:04.60,1:40:08.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but every material improvementwas once an imagined alternative reality.
Dialogue: 0,1:40:09.12,1:40:11.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know what we dowith the world now.
Dialogue: 0,1:40:11.52,1:40:12.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I really don't.
Dialogue: 0,1:40:12.32,1:40:15.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But in my lifetime, from my childhoodthrough to my becoming
Dialogue: 0,1:40:15.84,1:40:18.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an adult and a parent,not necessarily in that order.
Dialogue: 0,1:40:19.16,1:40:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know I've seen manufactured outgroups
Dialogue: 0,1:40:22.00,1:40:23.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,designed disgust and hatred
Dialogue: 0,1:40:24.04,1:40:26.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,towards groups that were at various points, not exactly beloved,
Dialogue: 0,1:40:26.88,1:40:28.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but at least more accepted.
Dialogue: 0,1:40:28.20,1:40:32.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've seen change happen in real time,and I've heard enough rhetoric from people
Dialogue: 0,1:40:32.76,1:40:36.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who feel like finally they're freeto just say that they hate kids.
Dialogue: 0,1:40:36.72,1:40:40.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it really reminds meof a similar celebration in other spheres.
Dialogue: 0,1:40:40.52,1:40:44.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Finally, they say we can just openly hatea group of people.
Dialogue: 0,1:40:44.28,1:40:46.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People hate when they don't know any better,
Dialogue: 0,1:40:46.40,1:40:48.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but that thing that wouldmake that better
Dialogue: 0,1:40:48.84,1:40:51.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Educstion, the thing that would make democracy better,
Dialogue: 0,1:40:51.32,1:40:55.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the thing that would make public healtheasier and climate change taken seriously.
Dialogue: 0,1:40:55.56,1:40:59.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's a thing that adults rejectbecause “education is for children.”
Dialogue: 0,1:40:59.80,1:41:02.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we seem to think that childrenonly need education
Dialogue: 0,1:41:02.88,1:41:04.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they're so damned incompetent
Dialogue: 0,1:41:04.76,1:41:07.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and useless and they don't know how anything works.
Dialogue: 0,1:41:07.24,1:41:11.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We think education existsto successfully transform
Dialogue: 0,1:41:11.12,1:41:14.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,children into adults,but it need not be so
Dialogue: 0,1:41:14.28,1:41:16.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we can imagine otherwise.
Dialogue: 0,1:41:16.72,1:41:19.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can't make anyonewatching care about children.
Dialogue: 0,1:41:19.52,1:41:23.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can't make you reorientyour worldview towards interdependence.
Dialogue: 0,1:41:23.24,1:41:25.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're not even going to get social points for this one.
Dialogue: 0,1:41:25.80,1:41:29.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The power structure is just so in-baked.
Dialogue: 0,1:41:29.08,1:41:31.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but morality isn't determined by popular consensus
Dialogue: 0,1:41:31.88,1:41:35.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and clinging to the status quo isn't wisdom.
Dialogue: 0,1:41:35.20,1:41:36.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a failure of imagination.
Dialogue: 0,1:41:36.96,1:41:38.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As with any marginalized group,
Dialogue: 0,1:41:38.76,1:41:42.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some of the changesthat children want will benefit all of us.
Dialogue: 0,1:41:42.60,1:41:46.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know I'd benefit if I remembered thata sidewalk could be a place of play
Dialogue: 0,1:41:46.60,1:41:50.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rather than just the liminal spacebetween work and home.
Dialogue: 0,1:41:50.32,1:41:54.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think like a child, it's goodfor us to look at society and ask why?
Dialogue: 0,1:41:54.72,1:41:57.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why have we constructedlabor relations this way?
Dialogue: 0,1:41:57.48,1:42:00.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why Have we created gender? Race?
Dialogue: 0,1:42:00.12,1:42:02.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is this still serving us?
Dialogue: 0,1:42:02.04,1:42:03.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why don't we change it?
Dialogue: 0,1:42:03.64,1:42:06.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I imagine we could do so muchif imagining itself
Dialogue: 0,1:42:06.56,1:42:08.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wasn't seen as uncouth.
Dialogue: 0,1:42:08.56,1:42:09.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Childish.
Dialogue: 0,1:42:09.64,1:42:15.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Imagine what we’d do if when we grew upwe still understood ourselves as
Dialogue: 0,1:42:15.40,1:42:20.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as full of potential,as incomplete, as malleable, as brave
Dialogue: 0,1:42:20.36,1:42:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and weird and unknowable as we were
Dialogue: 0,1:42:24.00,1:42:25.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when we were kids.
Dialogue: 0,1:42:26.36,1:42:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,🎵 scratching 🎵
Dialogue: 0,1:42:28.64,1:42:32.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,🎵 Peter and the Wolf set to hip hop 🎵
Dialogue: 0,1:42:40.44,1:42:42.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hey, Editing Neil here
Dialogue: 0,1:42:43.08,1:42:43.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hi.
Dialogue: 0,1:42:44.48,1:42:47.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just wanted to saywe were pretty harsh on commenters
Dialogue: 0,1:42:47.32,1:42:51.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and sort of on the concept of commenting,and please don't let that stop you
Dialogue: 0,1:42:51.64,1:42:55.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from commenting on this video becauseactually we often get very lovely comments
Dialogue: 0,1:42:55.80,1:43:00.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it would be a shame to not have youcomment here, so feel free.
Dialogue: 0,1:43:01.04,1:43:02.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I won't make you self-conscious.
Dialogue: 0,1:43:02.20,1:43:03.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just, you know, do do your thing.
Dialogue: 0,1:43:03.80,1:43:05.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Leave a comment below.
Dialogue: 0,1:43:10.60,1:43:14.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just to be clear,you don't have to comment.
Dialogue: 0,1:43:14.28,1:43:16.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just if you were ...
Dialogue: 0,1:43:16.24,1:43:18.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whatever commentyou were going to
Dialogue: 0,1:43:18.12,1:43:21.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just act, just act normal, just whatevercomment you were going to leave.
Dialogue: 0,1:43:22.00,1:43:22.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just put that.
Dialogue: 0,1:43:22.96,1:43:24.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll go.
Dialogue: 0,1:43:28.40,1:43:31.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, I have noticed this one particular comment that's come in
Dialogue: 0,1:43:31.08,1:43:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I did thinkthis was going to happen,
Dialogue: 0,1:43:33.00,1:43:38.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so we didn't use the stage lights andthat was an intentional artistic decision.
Dialogue: 0,1:43:38.12,1:43:39.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's not a mistake.
Dialogue: 0,1:43:39.64,1:43:41.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s not cause we didn't know how to use them.
Dialogue: 0,1:43:41.92,1:43:42.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We wanted to have
Dialogue: 0,1:43:42.88,1:43:44.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it's like a video essay.
Dialogue: 0,1:43:44.24,1:43:45.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's like as if a video essay.
Dialogue: 0,1:43:45.36,1:43:46.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were a stage show.
Dialogue: 0,1:43:46.48,1:43:48.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we used the video essay lights to
Dialogue: 0,1:43:48.96,1:43:50.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,um
Dialogue: 0,1:43:50.16,1:43:52.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,semiotically
Dialogue: 0,1:43:52.44,1:43:54.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,signify
Dialogue: 0,1:43:54.40,1:43:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was intentional.
Dialogue: 0,1:44:03.28,1:44:04.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm actually going to talk to Sarah about this
Dialogue: 0,1:44:04.76,1:44:06.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I'm a little bit annoyed.
Dialogue: 0,1:44:06.24,1:44:07.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sarah, we just got a commentthat said
Dialogue: 0,1:44:07.76,1:44:10.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we didn't turn on the stage lights
Dialogue: 0,1:44:10.04,1:44:14.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like by mistake, but that was anintentional artistic decision, right?
Dialogue: 0,1:44:14.80,1:44:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sarah: I mean, I just
Dialogue: 0,1:44:16.00,1:44:18.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you didn't know where they were
Dialogue: 0,1:44:20.28,1:44:21.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(baby sounds)
Dialogue: 0,1:44:21.20,1:44:23.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Neil: but then I madethe intentional artistic decison
Dialogue: 0,1:44:23.04,1:44:27.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to not use thembecause I didn't know where they were.
Dialogue: 0,1:44:27.72,1:44:28.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sarah: Yeah, but that's not
Dialogue: 0,1:44:28.96,1:44:31.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's not what intentional is, Neil
Dialogue: 0,1:44:31.28,1:44:33.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like I wanted to use the stage lights.
Dialogue: 0,1:44:33.84,1:44:35.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wanted to find my light. I wanted
Dialogue: 0,1:44:35.40,1:44:35.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Neil: No, no, no,
Dialogue: 0,1:44:35.76,1:44:37.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's fine. It's actually fine.
Dialogue: 0,1:44:37.04,1:44:38.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can do whatever comment you wantand this is
Dialogue: 0,1:44:38.48,1:44:40.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the worst sequence we’ve ever had
Dialogue: 0,1:44:40.08,1:44:40.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over the credits. Thanks.