1 00:00:02,377 --> 00:00:07,340 (pensive music) (wind whistles) 2 00:00:26,985 --> 00:00:28,695 - [Esteban] The way that my paintings develop 3 00:00:28,695 --> 00:00:33,533 is in a very intuitive approach of what I feel, 4 00:00:33,533 --> 00:00:37,412 what I respond to, but also searching for who I am. 5 00:00:41,708 --> 00:00:43,126 Growing up along the border 6 00:00:43,126 --> 00:00:46,004 and not being connected to a lot of my heritage, 7 00:00:46,004 --> 00:00:49,132 I have had to find it on my own. 8 00:00:52,927 --> 00:00:55,764 The process of art as being like a healing gesture 9 00:00:55,764 --> 00:00:58,058 of connecting to these histories, 10 00:00:58,058 --> 00:01:02,145 but then also reconnecting my relationship back to the land 11 00:01:02,145 --> 00:01:06,983 and to learning these histories before we lose them to time. 12 00:01:06,983 --> 00:01:11,988 (clock ticks) (pensive music continues) 13 00:01:17,786 --> 00:01:20,455 (wind whistles) 14 00:01:24,584 --> 00:01:27,420 (water trickles) 15 00:01:27,420 --> 00:01:31,216 The way my process works is based on the concept 16 00:01:31,216 --> 00:01:34,344 of a tesseract, where you have four different layers 17 00:01:34,344 --> 00:01:36,429 or four different dimensions inside of it. 18 00:01:38,264 --> 00:01:41,518 First, I start out by dyeing the canvas with cochineal. 19 00:01:43,686 --> 00:01:48,066 Cochineal dye operates as almost like an astral plane 20 00:01:50,068 --> 00:01:54,447 that looks similar to the way physicists map space. 21 00:01:54,447 --> 00:01:59,202 These spiral forms in my paintings are about solstices. 22 00:01:59,202 --> 00:02:01,746 Indigenous societies had the capability 23 00:02:01,746 --> 00:02:05,250 of modeling time without industrial technology, 24 00:02:07,961 --> 00:02:10,922 and then building up the next image 25 00:02:10,922 --> 00:02:15,176 where I'm thinking about pre-colonial histories 26 00:02:15,176 --> 00:02:19,848 and what advanced structures predate 1492. 27 00:02:21,558 --> 00:02:24,310 The third layer involves observational painting 28 00:02:24,310 --> 00:02:26,271 that I do on site. 29 00:02:27,647 --> 00:02:29,399 - Yeah, that's looking pretty good. 30 00:02:30,608 --> 00:02:33,570 - [Esteban] Heidi's been my partner for 10 years. 31 00:02:35,864 --> 00:02:37,031 I'm asking for feedback, 32 00:02:37,031 --> 00:02:39,993 but I'm also giving support where I can 33 00:02:39,993 --> 00:02:41,619 with Heidi's process. 34 00:02:46,666 --> 00:02:49,961 The fourth layer that I do is thinking about 35 00:02:49,961 --> 00:02:54,966 a post-colonial future where it's optimistic and healing. 36 00:02:58,928 --> 00:03:02,140 These layers don't sit parallel to one another 37 00:03:02,140 --> 00:03:04,726 because there are multiple dimensions that are existing 38 00:03:04,726 --> 00:03:06,311 alongside of all of us. 39 00:03:10,648 --> 00:03:14,152 Painting is that device that can defy time. 40 00:03:14,152 --> 00:03:16,654 (clock ticks) 41 00:03:22,994 --> 00:03:26,664 What I want my viewer to experience is this paradox 42 00:03:26,664 --> 00:03:28,958 where you can go backwards in time. 43 00:03:39,802 --> 00:03:42,305 (wind rushes) 44 00:03:53,650 --> 00:03:57,362 I think the land speaks to you when you're looking at it. 45 00:03:57,362 --> 00:04:01,157 (cicadas chirruping) 46 00:04:01,157 --> 00:04:03,159 Why I continue to go back to New Mexico 47 00:04:03,159 --> 00:04:04,786 is to reconnect with my past. 48 00:04:07,664 --> 00:04:10,416 My father's family was from New Mexico, 49 00:04:10,416 --> 00:04:13,670 and my mom's from San Ysidro, California, 50 00:04:13,670 --> 00:04:15,880 but born in Tijuana. 51 00:04:19,175 --> 00:04:22,470 I can't really explain how much spiritual freedom 52 00:04:22,470 --> 00:04:23,805 I sense when I'm there. 53 00:04:30,937 --> 00:04:33,898 I go outdoor painting, doing plein-air painting, 54 00:04:33,898 --> 00:04:37,652 and in some ways it's about endurance. 55 00:04:43,283 --> 00:04:47,829 You go out to a specific site with a certain intention 56 00:04:47,829 --> 00:04:50,164 but then nature guides you. 57 00:04:53,793 --> 00:04:55,920 Time is shifting also. 58 00:04:57,130 --> 00:05:00,550 Not only am I kind of building these multiple dimensions, 59 00:05:00,550 --> 00:05:02,802 I'm also literally chasing after light. 60 00:05:09,017 --> 00:05:11,769 (footsteps crunch) 61 00:05:11,769 --> 00:05:14,272 (birds chirp) 62 00:05:15,565 --> 00:05:20,570 (clock ticks) (gentle music) 63 00:05:21,237 --> 00:05:25,074 Landscape painting for me, feels like 64 00:05:25,074 --> 00:05:28,619 what all of our ancestors used to do in the caves. 65 00:05:29,829 --> 00:05:32,415 That's where we all began thinking about space 66 00:05:32,415 --> 00:05:34,208 but not severing it. 67 00:05:42,717 --> 00:05:45,887 Colonial era painting came into the United States 68 00:05:45,887 --> 00:05:50,141 with the project of showing how nature needs to be tamed 69 00:05:50,141 --> 00:05:53,144 and all the savages need to be converted 70 00:05:53,144 --> 00:05:54,520 and turned into men. 71 00:05:55,688 --> 00:05:59,901 What I'm trying to do with my work is deconstruct 72 00:05:59,901 --> 00:06:01,027 what we're seeing. 73 00:06:03,112 --> 00:06:05,573 Who used to live there, who still lives there. 74 00:06:08,242 --> 00:06:11,746 How do I utilize the language of painting to expand 75 00:06:11,746 --> 00:06:15,166 our vision of where we could think about space and time. 76 00:06:21,798 --> 00:06:24,801 Landscape painting can start two dimensionally 77 00:06:24,801 --> 00:06:27,970 but I think it could also expand out into a whole worldview 78 00:06:27,970 --> 00:06:30,765 to treat people in more equitable ways. 79 00:06:30,765 --> 00:06:35,353 (subway announcer speaks) (gentle orchestral music) 80 00:06:35,353 --> 00:06:37,939 (train clacks) 81 00:06:49,325 --> 00:06:51,828 (clock ticks) 82 00:07:02,255 --> 00:07:03,881 It's crazy how much more fencing 83 00:07:03,881 --> 00:07:05,591 they kind of put up around here 84 00:07:05,591 --> 00:07:07,927 since we last were here, Mom? - Oh yeah. 85 00:07:11,305 --> 00:07:13,808 We used to consider this a place where you could 86 00:07:13,808 --> 00:07:15,101 just like, really run around 87 00:07:15,101 --> 00:07:17,311 and especially when you're kids. 88 00:07:19,355 --> 00:07:21,691 I would have never expected 89 00:07:21,691 --> 00:07:26,696 that what I took as natural and day-to-day, would change. 90 00:07:30,241 --> 00:07:32,827 - [Esteban] It's weird to just be here and making it 91 00:07:32,827 --> 00:07:36,372 an image that we've seen so much in mass media. 92 00:07:36,372 --> 00:07:38,833 What can I say about it that isn't just 93 00:07:38,833 --> 00:07:40,835 like something that's trying to define us? 94 00:07:44,046 --> 00:07:46,674 - I think the privilege of having lived 95 00:07:46,674 --> 00:07:51,679 a long life is that you know that that is not permanent. 96 00:07:51,679 --> 00:07:52,930 - Yeah. 97 00:07:52,930 --> 00:07:56,976 - That at some point that fence is going to go down, 98 00:07:56,976 --> 00:08:01,814 but I have to bring back a memory of this space 99 00:08:01,814 --> 00:08:05,443 without the fences because otherwise I go crazy. 100 00:08:08,571 --> 00:08:10,907 You know, it's just really hard. 101 00:08:14,368 --> 00:08:15,203 It's just really hard 102 00:08:15,203 --> 00:08:19,540 to see the fences. - Yeah, (sniffs) 103 00:08:19,540 --> 00:08:21,167 thank you for sharing that, Mom. 104 00:08:23,211 --> 00:08:25,671 We have to express it though too, 105 00:08:25,671 --> 00:08:27,882 in order to get past it and imagine 106 00:08:27,882 --> 00:08:29,133 something bigger than it. 107 00:08:30,384 --> 00:08:35,389 (gentle music) (clock ticks) 108 00:08:41,979 --> 00:08:44,148 - We never knew if they were coming for coffee. 109 00:08:44,148 --> 00:08:46,692 (speaks in Spanish) - Or spending the night. 110 00:08:46,692 --> 00:08:49,487 - Spending the night or- - Some of the core themes 111 00:08:49,487 --> 00:08:53,824 of my work are about freedom. 112 00:08:53,824 --> 00:08:56,494 (pensive music) 113 00:08:58,913 --> 00:09:01,123 Freedom to really express yourself 114 00:09:01,123 --> 00:09:04,001 and your relationship to space and the environment. 115 00:09:05,753 --> 00:09:09,674 Justice, how can you do justice to the past? 116 00:09:11,842 --> 00:09:14,011 And I think, also joy. 117 00:09:14,011 --> 00:09:17,932 (gentle piano music continues) 118 00:09:33,072 --> 00:09:35,616 I didn't start speaking till I was five 119 00:09:35,616 --> 00:09:38,160 so painting was that way for me to communicate 120 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:39,203 with other people. 121 00:09:42,164 --> 00:09:43,958 I didn't have to explain myself. 122 00:09:47,587 --> 00:09:51,382 Painting has always been that method to go backwards 123 00:09:51,382 --> 00:09:54,510 in time into that mode of the five-year-old, 124 00:09:54,510 --> 00:09:56,345 where I'm just feeling. 125 00:10:00,641 --> 00:10:01,809 There's no words for it.