WEBVTT 00:00:02.377 --> 00:00:07.340 (pensive music) (wind whistles) 00:00:26.985 --> 00:00:28.695 - [Esteban] The way that my paintings develop 00:00:28.695 --> 00:00:33.533 is in a very intuitive approach of what I feel, 00:00:33.533 --> 00:00:37.412 what I respond to, but also searching for who I am. 00:00:41.708 --> 00:00:43.126 Growing up along the border 00:00:43.126 --> 00:00:46.004 and not being connected to a lot of my heritage, 00:00:46.004 --> 00:00:49.132 I have had to find it on my own. 00:00:52.927 --> 00:00:55.764 The process of art as being like a healing gesture 00:00:55.764 --> 00:00:58.058 of connecting to these histories, 00:00:58.058 --> 00:01:02.145 but then also reconnecting my relationship back to the land 00:01:02.145 --> 00:01:06.983 and to learning these histories before we lose them to time. 00:01:06.983 --> 00:01:11.988 (clock ticks) (pensive music continues) 00:01:17.786 --> 00:01:20.455 (wind whistles) 00:01:24.584 --> 00:01:27.420 (water trickles) 00:01:27.420 --> 00:01:31.216 The way my process works is based on the concept 00:01:31.216 --> 00:01:34.344 of a tesseract, where you have four different layers 00:01:34.344 --> 00:01:36.429 or four different dimensions inside of it. 00:01:38.264 --> 00:01:41.518 First, I start out by dyeing the canvas with cochineal. 00:01:43.686 --> 00:01:48.066 Cochineal dye operates as almost like an astral plane 00:01:50.068 --> 00:01:54.447 that looks similar to the way physicists map space. 00:01:54.447 --> 00:01:59.202 These spiral forms in my paintings are about solstices. 00:01:59.202 --> 00:02:01.746 Indigenous societies had the capability 00:02:01.746 --> 00:02:05.250 of modeling time without industrial technology, 00:02:07.961 --> 00:02:10.922 and then building up the next image 00:02:10.922 --> 00:02:15.176 where I'm thinking about pre-colonial histories 00:02:15.176 --> 00:02:19.848 and what advanced structures predate 1492. 00:02:21.558 --> 00:02:24.310 The third layer involves observational painting 00:02:24.310 --> 00:02:26.271 that I do on site. 00:02:27.647 --> 00:02:29.399 - Yeah, that's looking pretty good. 00:02:30.608 --> 00:02:33.570 - [Esteban] Heidi's been my partner for 10 years. 00:02:35.864 --> 00:02:37.031 I'm asking for feedback, 00:02:37.031 --> 00:02:39.993 but I'm also giving support where I can 00:02:39.993 --> 00:02:41.619 with Heidi's process. 00:02:46.666 --> 00:02:49.961 The fourth layer that I do is thinking about 00:02:49.961 --> 00:02:54.966 a post-colonial future where it's optimistic and healing. 00:02:58.928 --> 00:03:02.140 These layers don't sit parallel to one another 00:03:02.140 --> 00:03:04.726 because there are multiple dimensions that are existing 00:03:04.726 --> 00:03:06.311 alongside of all of us. 00:03:10.648 --> 00:03:14.152 Painting is that device that can defy time. 00:03:14.152 --> 00:03:16.654 (clock ticks) 00:03:22.994 --> 00:03:26.664 What I want my viewer to experience is this paradox 00:03:26.664 --> 00:03:28.958 where you can go backwards in time. 00:03:39.802 --> 00:03:42.305 (wind rushes) 00:03:53.650 --> 00:03:57.362 I think the land speaks to you when you're looking at it. 00:03:57.362 --> 00:04:01.157 (cicadas chirruping) 00:04:01.157 --> 00:04:03.159 Why I continue to go back to New Mexico 00:04:03.159 --> 00:04:04.786 is to reconnect with my past. 00:04:07.664 --> 00:04:10.416 My father's family was from New Mexico, 00:04:10.416 --> 00:04:13.670 and my mom's from San Ysidro, California, 00:04:13.670 --> 00:04:15.880 but born in Tijuana. 00:04:19.175 --> 00:04:22.470 I can't really explain how much spiritual freedom 00:04:22.470 --> 00:04:23.805 I sense when I'm there. 00:04:30.937 --> 00:04:33.898 I go outdoor painting, doing plein-air painting, 00:04:33.898 --> 00:04:37.652 and in some ways it's about endurance. 00:04:43.283 --> 00:04:47.829 You go out to a specific site with a certain intention 00:04:47.829 --> 00:04:50.164 but then nature guides you. 00:04:53.793 --> 00:04:55.920 Time is shifting also. 00:04:57.130 --> 00:05:00.550 Not only am I kind of building these multiple dimensions, 00:05:00.550 --> 00:05:02.802 I'm also literally chasing after light. 00:05:09.017 --> 00:05:11.769 (footsteps crunch) 00:05:11.769 --> 00:05:14.272 (birds chirp) 00:05:15.565 --> 00:05:20.570 (clock ticks) (gentle music) 00:05:21.237 --> 00:05:25.074 Landscape painting for me, feels like 00:05:25.074 --> 00:05:28.619 what all of our ancestors used to do in the caves. 00:05:29.829 --> 00:05:32.415 That's where we all began thinking about space 00:05:32.415 --> 00:05:34.208 but not severing it. 00:05:42.717 --> 00:05:45.887 Colonial era painting came into the United States 00:05:45.887 --> 00:05:50.141 with the project of showing how nature needs to be tamed 00:05:50.141 --> 00:05:53.144 and all the savages need to be converted 00:05:53.144 --> 00:05:54.520 and turned into men. 00:05:55.688 --> 00:05:59.901 What I'm trying to do with my work is deconstruct 00:05:59.901 --> 00:06:01.027 what we're seeing. 00:06:03.112 --> 00:06:05.573 Who used to live there, who still lives there. 00:06:08.242 --> 00:06:11.746 How do I utilize the language of painting to expand 00:06:11.746 --> 00:06:15.166 our vision of where we could think about space and time. 00:06:21.798 --> 00:06:24.801 Landscape painting can start two dimensionally 00:06:24.801 --> 00:06:27.970 but I think it could also expand out into a whole worldview 00:06:27.970 --> 00:06:30.765 to treat people in more equitable ways. 00:06:30.765 --> 00:06:35.353 (subway announcer speaks) (gentle orchestral music) 00:06:35.353 --> 00:06:37.939 (train clacks) 00:06:49.325 --> 00:06:51.828 (clock ticks) 00:07:02.255 --> 00:07:03.881 It's crazy how much more fencing 00:07:03.881 --> 00:07:05.591 they kind of put up around here 00:07:05.591 --> 00:07:07.927 since we last were here, Mom? - Oh yeah. 00:07:11.305 --> 00:07:13.808 We used to consider this a place where you could 00:07:13.808 --> 00:07:15.101 just like, really run around 00:07:15.101 --> 00:07:17.311 and especially when you're kids. 00:07:19.355 --> 00:07:21.691 I would have never expected 00:07:21.691 --> 00:07:26.696 that what I took as natural and day-to-day, would change. 00:07:30.241 --> 00:07:32.827 - [Esteban] It's weird to just be here and making it 00:07:32.827 --> 00:07:36.372 an image that we've seen so much in mass media. 00:07:36.372 --> 00:07:38.833 What can I say about it that isn't just 00:07:38.833 --> 00:07:40.835 like something that's trying to define us? 00:07:44.046 --> 00:07:46.674 - I think the privilege of having lived 00:07:46.674 --> 00:07:51.679 a long life is that you know that that is not permanent. 00:07:51.679 --> 00:07:52.930 - Yeah. 00:07:52.930 --> 00:07:56.976 - That at some point that fence is going to go down, 00:07:56.976 --> 00:08:01.814 but I have to bring back a memory of this space 00:08:01.814 --> 00:08:05.443 without the fences because otherwise I go crazy. 00:08:08.571 --> 00:08:10.907 You know, it's just really hard. 00:08:14.368 --> 00:08:15.203 It's just really hard 00:08:15.203 --> 00:08:19.540 to see the fences. - Yeah, (sniffs) 00:08:19.540 --> 00:08:21.167 thank you for sharing that, Mom. 00:08:23.211 --> 00:08:25.671 We have to express it though too, 00:08:25.671 --> 00:08:27.882 in order to get past it and imagine 00:08:27.882 --> 00:08:29.133 something bigger than it. 00:08:30.384 --> 00:08:35.389 (gentle music) (clock ticks) 00:08:41.979 --> 00:08:44.148 - We never knew if they were coming for coffee. 00:08:44.148 --> 00:08:46.692 (speaks in Spanish) - Or spending the night. 00:08:46.692 --> 00:08:49.487 - Spending the night or- - Some of the core themes 00:08:49.487 --> 00:08:53.824 of my work are about freedom. 00:08:53.824 --> 00:08:56.494 (pensive music) 00:08:58.913 --> 00:09:01.123 Freedom to really express yourself 00:09:01.123 --> 00:09:04.001 and your relationship to space and the environment. 00:09:05.753 --> 00:09:09.674 Justice, how can you do justice to the past? 00:09:11.842 --> 00:09:14.011 And I think, also joy. 00:09:14.011 --> 00:09:17.932 (gentle piano music continues) 00:09:33.072 --> 00:09:35.616 I didn't start speaking till I was five 00:09:35.616 --> 00:09:38.160 so painting was that way for me to communicate 00:09:38.160 --> 00:09:39.203 with other people. 00:09:42.164 --> 00:09:43.958 I didn't have to explain myself. 00:09:47.587 --> 00:09:51.382 Painting has always been that method to go backwards 00:09:51.382 --> 00:09:54.510 in time into that mode of the five-year-old, 00:09:54.510 --> 00:09:56.345 where I'm just feeling. 00:10:00.641 --> 00:10:01.809 There's no words for it.