0:00:34.155,0:00:37.095 Hi, everybody! This is my small talk show 0:00:37.095,0:00:40.045 about people who inspire me 0:00:40.045,0:00:42.975 and people who motivate me to do smth 0:00:43.125,0:00:46.085 So, today's guest is 0:00:46.085,0:00:47.825 Kiki Febriyanti 0:00:48.765,0:00:52.045 an independent filmmaker from Indonesia 0:00:52.185,0:00:54.555 Hi, Kiki! How are you? 0:00:55.125,0:00:56.805 Hi, I'm okay, how are you? 0:00:56.805,0:00:57.935 I'm also okay 0:00:57.935,0:00:59.895 I'm fine, thank you so much! 0:00:59.895,0:01:02.475 Thank you so much for joining me today 0:01:02.685,0:01:05.905 I suppose it's very important we have this conversation 0:01:05.905,0:01:08.155 because I really want audience 0:01:08.155,0:01:10.815 to know your way and your path 0:01:11.135,0:01:14.015 and I also would like to ask you 0:01:14.015,0:01:17.135 what it is to be an independent filmmaker 0:01:17.135,0:01:20.535 today in this era, in this period 0:01:20.545,0:01:23.075 but let's start from the beginning 0:01:23.075,0:01:26.055 maybe you can tell us a little bit 0:01:26.055,0:01:28.955 what urged your interest in filmmaking? 0:01:28.955,0:01:30.345 How did you start? 0:01:31.375,0:01:33.245 Well, it's long story 0:01:33.665,0:01:36.725 haha but let's make it short 0:01:36.725,0:01:39.745 because I have to be back to my childhood 0:01:40.345,0:01:43.005 so, at the beginning 0:01:43.705,0:01:46.445 at first actually I was inspired by 0:01:46.445,0:01:49.835 best friend of my grandparents 0:01:50.000,0:01:53.640 and he was a photojournalist 0:01:55.400,0:01:57.995 so he often showed me his works 0:01:57.995,0:02:00.525 and then I was thinking okay 0:02:00.525,0:02:03.500 I will become photojournalist too 0:02:03.500,0:02:05.740 just like him 0:02:06.900,0:02:10.140 also my family loved watching movies 0:02:10.215,0:02:13.095 and my parents 0:02:13.095,0:02:15.925 my grandma my parents 0:02:15.925,0:02:17.905 they often took me to 0:02:18.305,0:02:20.745 to watch movies in cinema 0:02:21.305,0:02:23.645 just nearby my house 0:02:23.645,0:02:27.145 we just took a walk 5 minutes and it's already there 0:02:27.955,0:02:28.955 and then 0:02:29.405,0:02:31.255 I think 0:02:31.605,0:02:34.325 the guy who worked there as cleaner 0:02:34.325,0:02:37.135 already got used to 0:02:37.135,0:02:40.415 got used to me 0:02:40.565,0:02:43.795 like in the cinema, so 0:02:43.795,0:02:46.875 usually before the cinema opens 0:02:47.175,0:02:49.555 he invited me 0:02:49.555,0:02:51.375 to just play inside 0:02:53.665,0:02:56.765 just to take a look at the posters 0:02:56.765,0:02:58.765 of the movies 0:02:58.765,0:03:00.135 and just sit 0:03:00.135,0:03:03.255 inside of the cinema before 0:03:03.935,0:03:05.145 there are 0:03:05.765,0:03:08.795 another audience 0:03:08.795,0:03:11.605 so that's how I was interested in film 0:03:12.120,0:03:14.835 so, it was from your very childhood 0:03:14.840,0:03:17.920 when you were just a kid 0:03:18.200,0:03:21.240 and then in 2008 there was 0:03:21.245,0:03:23.665 when I was in university there was 0:03:23.665,0:03:26.765 documentary filmmaking workshop In-Docs 0:03:29.675,0:03:32.095 it came to my university in Jember 0:03:32.095,0:03:35.135 East Java. East Java? yeah 0:03:35.135,0:03:36.225 and then 0:03:36.705,0:03:39.735 I tried to join this event 0:03:39.735,0:03:41.975 and then I was selected 0:03:41.975,0:03:44.705 my story was selected to 0:03:44.705,0:03:47.765 to receive scholarship to be produced 0:03:47.765,0:03:48.765 and then 0:03:48.965,0:03:51.495 that's how I started filmmaking 0:03:51.495,0:03:53.235 so, in 2008 0:03:53.240,0:03:56.140 I made my first documentary film 0:03:56.400,0:03:58.800 so, it was like 12 years ago 0:03:59.140,0:04:01.540 yeah, yes 12 years ago 0:04:01.720,0:04:04.240 What was your first film? What was it about? 0:04:07.115,0:04:10.135 It was about two persons 0:04:12.675,0:04:13.595 who 0:04:15.275,0:04:18.215 they were labelized 0:04:18.215,0:04:21.085 as they have 0:04:21.085,0:04:22.565 mental illness 0:04:23.155,0:04:24.815 and 0:04:24.815,0:04:27.855 I made the story about them about their feelings 0:04:27.855,0:04:28.855 about their life 0:04:32.205,0:04:34.795 How they struggle to 0:04:34.795,0:04:37.585 to be accepted in society 0:04:37.585,0:04:40.725 in their family 0:04:40.725,0:04:43.405 and their environment 0:04:43.555,0:04:45.385 so, it was about 0:04:45.720,0:04:48.220 mental illness and 0:04:48.420,0:04:50.700 it was about the place 0:04:50.720,0:04:52.860 about the asylum, yes, because 0:04:52.860,0:04:56.160 I've watched your film I know a little bit the plot 0:04:56.200,0:04:58.840 yes, at the beginning it opened 0:04:59.140,0:05:02.540 the founder told me it was just 0:05:04.025,0:05:06.395 the place for learning Koran 0:05:06.395,0:05:09.285 like reading Koran, but then 0:05:09.905,0:05:12.945 many people came just 0:05:13.515,0:05:16.505 to shelter these people 0:05:17.595,0:05:20.435 so it became this kind of place 0:05:21.565,0:05:24.415 like shelter for people 0:05:24.415,0:05:25.665 with mental problems 0:05:27.375,0:05:29.235 okay so yeah 0:05:29.755,0:05:32.345 How did you find this story? How did you find 0:05:32.345,0:05:34.725 these people? How did you find your subjects? 0:05:36.875,0:05:37.875 actually 0:05:39.025,0:05:40.695 I already 0:05:41.885,0:05:43.835 was kind of like friends 0:05:44.185,0:05:46.905 with the founder 0:05:46.905,0:05:49.075 of Islamic boarding house 0:05:49.075,0:05:52.115 The Al Ghafur boarding house 0:05:52.155,0:05:54.975 because my mom 0:05:54.975,0:05:56.975 was working as teacher 0:05:57.185,0:05:59.585 in the elementary school 0:05:59.585,0:06:01.885 near the boarding house 0:06:01.885,0:06:04.655 that's how I knew him 0:06:04.655,0:06:07.515 and I often curious 0:06:08.035,0:06:11.075 because these people 0:06:11.075,0:06:13.465 these people who stay there 0:06:13.465,0:06:15.355 people with mental illness 0:06:15.815,0:06:18.945 what people said 0:06:18.945,0:06:20.205 just freely walked 0:06:20.565,0:06:21.995 freely 0:06:22.555,0:06:24.645 communicated with people 0:06:24.985,0:06:26.345 in neighbourhood 0:06:27.445,0:06:30.215 so they are not like in asylum 0:06:30.215,0:06:33.535 like we think 0:06:34.725,0:06:37.505 inside of the room they cannot go outside 0:06:37.505,0:06:40.205 on the contrary, they are 0:06:40.495,0:06:42.865 they make interaction 0:06:42.865,0:06:45.235 make interaction with locals there 0:06:45.315,0:06:47.395 that's what interesting 0:06:47.795,0:06:48.795 for me yeah 0:06:50.125,0:06:53.235 but I mean that this topic is 0:06:53.235,0:06:56.695 quite specific yes and it's 0:06:56.865,0:06:57.775 huuuh yeah 0:06:57.775,0:06:59.375 like at the beginning 0:06:59.375,0:07:02.295 usually we think they are dangerous 0:07:02.565,0:07:03.475 they are 0:07:03.475,0:07:06.885 we need to avoid them or smth like that 0:07:06.885,0:07:08.285 but what I 0:07:09.155,0:07:12.545 always learned from my childhood like 0:07:13.575,0:07:16.425 they're just like us, they're just 0:07:16.425,0:07:18.095 no difference with me 0:07:19.055,0:07:21.475 they can communicate with people, 0:07:21.475,0:07:23.965 they can socialize 0:07:23.965,0:07:27.005 they can work and I'm thinking 0:07:30.465,0:07:32.155 How is their life 0:07:33.035,0:07:34.565 actually? 0:07:35.800,0:07:38.020 facing the situation 0:07:38.020,0:07:40.740 facing the society, facing their family 0:07:41.325,0:07:44.345 it's interesting for me, it's just like 0:07:44.345,0:07:47.255 how I see myself through 0:07:47.255,0:07:50.045 through these people, through my subjects 0:07:50.045,0:07:52.415 that's how and that's why 0:07:52.415,0:07:53.915 I made this film 0:07:55.055,0:07:57.985 How did your subjects react 0:07:57.985,0:08:00.685 when they saw the camera? 0:08:00.685,0:08:03.635 yeah actually it's funny thing 0:08:03.635,0:08:07.005 yeah how the subject react to the camera 0:08:07.005,0:08:09.155 in my case 0:08:10.015,0:08:12.145 in that first film like 0:08:12.145,0:08:14.540 the subject was 0:08:14.540,0:08:17.595 I tried to make them like to get used to it 0:08:17.595,0:08:18.635 with the camera 0:08:18.640,0:08:20.680 so during the research I also brought 0:08:21.240,0:08:23.545 I brought camera 0:08:23.545,0:08:26.545 so they kind of got used to it 0:08:26.545,0:08:29.475 and they were like okay with this 0:08:29.475,0:08:30.475 like on the contrary 0:08:30.865,0:08:32.325 one of the crew 0:08:32.785,0:08:34.985 that I brought to the location 0:08:36.065,0:08:37.605 who 0:08:38.140,0:08:41.820 supposedly was asked to record this 0:08:42.100,0:08:43.760 because I was directing 0:08:43.760,0:08:46.915 so I tried to communicate with the subject 0:08:46.915,0:08:50.025 and he needed to record 0:08:50.025,0:08:53.295 he cannot, he's like nervous 0:08:53.300,0:08:55.460 so somehow 0:08:55.460,0:08:57.740 what unexpected 0:08:57.760,0:09:02.200 reaction was not from the subject 0:09:02.200,0:09:04.255 but from one of the crew 0:09:04.260,0:09:05.740 yeah 0:09:05.740,0:09:07.560 well actually this question 0:09:07.560,0:09:09.960 always makes me wonder 0:09:09.980,0:09:11.595 How do subjects 0:09:11.595,0:09:13.685 any subjects react to the camera, yes? 0:09:13.685,0:09:16.425 If we're talking about documentary filmmaking 0:09:16.600,0:09:20.640 that's why I'm always interested in that 0:09:21.440,0:09:24.375 I'm really happy you made this film 0:09:24.375,0:09:26.655 and it is open if I'm not mistaken? 0:09:26.655,0:09:29.895 so, the audience can watch 0:09:29.900,0:09:32.000 yes, it's in the website called 0:09:33.415,0:09:36.600 cultureunplugged,com 0:09:38.380,0:09:39.740 so we can put it below 0:09:39.740,0:09:40.560 sure 0:09:41.215,0:09:44.255 and if I'm not mistaken you were selected 0:09:44.260,0:09:46.500 with this film at 0:09:46.500,0:09:48.680 different film festivals 0:09:49.200,0:09:51.180 and you also attended 0:09:51.220,0:09:53.100 STEPS International 0:09:53.105,0:09:56.145 Film Festival of Human Rights 0:09:56.145,0:09:59.025 In Ukraine, in Kharkiv. in Ukraine, yes 0:09:59.025,0:10:01.200 in 2013, right? 0:10:01.600,0:10:03.700 2014, if I'm not mistaken 0:10:03.700,0:10:05.680 it was long time ago 0:10:05.820,0:10:08.900 no no no, it was in 2013, Ki 0:10:08.900,0:10:10.595 ahhhh okay 0:10:10.595,0:10:13.675 right? it was in 2013 0:10:13.675,0:10:15.035 yes yes 0:10:16.485,0:10:19.075 You received the award 0:10:19.320,0:10:21.700 within that festival 0:10:21.820,0:10:24.460 you received an award for being 0:10:24.500,0:10:26.940 the best documentary filmmaker 0:10:27.140,0:10:29.920 and it was exactly with the film 0:10:29.920,0:10:33.740 Jangan bilang aku gila / Don't call me crazy 0:10:33.740,0:10:34.520 yeah 0:10:35.180,0:10:37.900 Maybe you can tell us a little bit about your experience 0:10:38.180,0:10:40.500 My first festival was in India 0:10:40.500,0:10:42.920 it was selected in India 0:10:42.980,0:10:45.400 for me to screen 0:10:46.120,0:10:49.025 my film for the audience 0:10:49.025,0:10:52.080 to wider audience it's already 0:10:54.215,0:10:56.525 kind of like happiness yeah 0:10:56.875,0:10:58.335 cause it is my goal 0:10:59.365,0:11:01.235 to give awareness to 0:11:01.840,0:11:05.840 people about this situation 0:11:05.840,0:11:09.140 about my subject 0:11:09.140,0:11:11.240 about the condition yeah 0:11:11.755,0:11:14.775 and then when they 0:11:15.645,0:11:18.655 I mean the festival gave me this award 0:11:18.655,0:11:20.445 it's like a bonus 0:11:20.935,0:11:23.615 because for me it's already happiness 0:11:23.615,0:11:26.655 that people know the condition there 0:11:27.245,0:11:28.775 in my hometown 0:11:29.265,0:11:32.475 with these people 0:11:32.660,0:11:35.140 so, yeah it's like a bonus 0:11:35.140,0:11:37.460 it's like an extra happiness 0:11:37.945,0:11:39.205 plus 0:11:39.720,0:11:43.320 The Ambassador of Indonesia to Ukraine 0:11:43.320,0:11:45.700 also attended Festival 0:11:46.155,0:11:48.765 and she and the stuff 0:11:48.765,0:11:51.080 also were very supportive 0:11:51.080,0:11:54.455 so yeah, I was very happy with that 0:11:54.460,0:11:57.440 you were happy to share with the audience, right 0:11:57.440,0:11:59.815 to share the story 0:11:59.820,0:12:02.625 yes, I can understand you so well 0:12:02.625,0:12:05.460 Can I ask you about your second film? 0:12:05.460,0:12:07.640 which was also independent and it was 0:12:07.640,0:12:09.560 "Yup, it's my body" 0:12:09.560,0:12:11.420 yes yeah 0:12:11.420,0:12:14.580 How did you choose the topic and the subject? 0:12:14.580,0:12:17.380 maybe you can tell us a little bit about that film 0:12:17.940,0:12:20.740 So, actually this 0:12:20.740,0:12:23.880 the second film "Yup, it's my body" 0:12:23.880,0:12:26.760 I made that it's like 0:12:26.760,0:12:28.540 a diary 0:12:28.540,0:12:30.580 because I was about 0:12:30.580,0:12:32.980 to graduate from 0:12:32.980,0:12:34.500 my university soon 0:12:34.820,0:12:38.000 and all those years I stayed 0:12:38.000,0:12:40.355 with them with my subjects 0:12:40.360,0:12:43.265 which were also my roommates 0:12:43.265,0:12:45.240 my flatmates in boarding house 0:12:47.480,0:12:50.445 and I noticed like some habit 0:12:50.445,0:12:51.640 of us 0:12:51.640,0:12:53.920 of all of us...like 0:12:53.920,0:12:57.460 we always discussed about the body image 0:12:57.460,0:13:00.340 I try to diet with this way I try to diet this way 0:13:00.340,0:13:02.620 and It's like I asked them 0:13:02.620,0:13:05.535 Why do you do this? What for? 0:13:05.535,0:13:08.515 In my boarding house that time 0:13:08.515,0:13:10.985 most of them tried to lose weight 0:13:11.580,0:13:15.860 especially one of the closest friend 0:13:17.060,0:13:18.900 her name is Sara 0:13:21.060,0:13:24.360 she more often to share with me 0:13:24.360,0:13:26.760 about her life her way something like that 0:13:26.760,0:13:30.140 cause we're like family in that boarding house 0:13:30.140,0:13:32.820 so I tried to document that 0:13:35.080,0:13:39.100 as kind of like memorabilia 0:13:39.500,0:13:41.975 so I recorded 0:13:41.975,0:13:43.835 I started recording with 0:13:44.720,0:13:47.060 Mini DV 0:13:47.060,0:13:49.540 so I used that to record 0:13:49.540,0:13:51.900 at the beginning I used to record 0:13:51.900,0:13:54.520 the activities and situation in my boarding house 0:13:54.520,0:13:55.980 with that handycam 0:13:56.480,0:13:58.040 and the cassette 0:13:58.040,0:13:59.960 at first I was using 0:13:59.960,0:14:01.820 actually recycled 0:14:01.820,0:14:03.500 cassette 0:14:03.980,0:14:05.740 so I didn't buy 0:14:05.745,0:14:08.535 I got the cassette the mini DV 0:14:08.535,0:14:11.715 from the recycled wedding shooting 0:14:11.720,0:14:14.280 and one of my friend 0:14:15.700,0:14:19.120 he was a journalist in television 0:14:19.120,0:14:23.560 so the cassette that he already digitize 0:14:23.560,0:14:25.560 he gave me 0:14:25.560,0:14:27.520 so I kind of like 0:14:27.520,0:14:30.300 used that cassette again 0:14:31.060,0:14:34.200 and then In-Docs somehow 0:14:35.160,0:14:37.620 I read the announcement that 0:14:37.620,0:14:39.920 In-Docs opened again scholarship 0:14:40.380,0:14:42.600 like for masterclass 0:14:42.605,0:14:45.305 so I applied with this story 0:14:45.305,0:14:48.140 that actually I'd already recorded before 0:14:48.920,0:14:51.880 so, I just went deeper with this topic 0:14:52.375,0:14:55.205 about the body image 0:14:55.205,0:14:58.655 Nowadays, the topic of body positivity 0:14:58.655,0:15:01.325 became an agenda yes 0:15:01.325,0:15:04.620 and your film "Yup, it's my body" is 2009? 0:15:04.620,0:15:07.160 nine, nine yeah 0:15:07.165,0:15:10.600 so it was like 11 years ago 0:15:10.760,0:15:13.085 raising the topic of 0:15:13.085,0:15:15.280 body positivity, yes 0:15:15.280,0:15:17.980 so, you were ahead of the time I suppose 0:15:18.505,0:15:19.505 right? 0:15:20.240,0:15:24.240 yeah, I suppose this kind of issue like 0:15:25.240,0:15:28.265 yeah, it's so bad that for a long time 0:15:28.265,0:15:30.075 still we need to 0:15:30.075,0:15:32.795 we have still this kind of issue 0:15:34.305,0:15:37.035 Kiki, it's very nice 0:15:37.040,0:15:41.160 you lead the conversation into cassette way 0:15:41.160,0:15:42.520 yes and into 0:15:42.905,0:15:45.825 so, as I understand 0:15:45.825,0:15:49.160 like 12 years ago you still could witness 0:15:49.160,0:15:51.120 the pre-digital era 0:15:51.120,0:15:54.380 you still could work exactly with films maybe 0:15:54.380,0:15:56.920 maybe you can tell us a little bit about that 0:15:57.525,0:16:00.615 Do you see the difference in 0:16:00.615,0:16:03.775 analog filmmaking and digital filmmaking 0:16:05.240,0:16:07.700 Actually it's kind of like 0:16:07.700,0:16:09.640 quite different like 0:16:11.120,0:16:14.535 because when it was analog 0:16:14.540,0:16:16.700 of course it cost a lot yeah 0:16:16.700,0:16:18.680 if we talk about production 0:16:18.680,0:16:21.580 because you need to buy cassette mini DV 0:16:21.580,0:16:22.920 and one cassette is 0:16:24.760,0:16:27.680 approximately like 20 000 IDR 0:16:27.680,0:16:31.040 like 2 USD probably that time 0:16:31.040,0:16:32.915 and then one cassette 0:16:32.915,0:16:35.605 can record like 60 minutes 0:16:35.605,0:16:38.880 like 1 hour approximately 0:16:38.880,0:16:42.200 and now you can just have 0:16:42.205,0:16:44.535 SD Card ...or 0:16:46.405,0:16:49.525 just memory card, so all digital 0:16:49.525,0:16:53.140 so, anytime you can just record whatever you want 0:16:53.140,0:16:54.755 whatever you like 0:16:54.755,0:16:56.635 and then you just transfer it to 0:16:57.005,0:17:00.155 Harddisk or your computer 0:17:00.160,0:17:02.340 and that's it, so 0:17:02.340,0:17:05.880 and you can reuse it all the time 0:17:05.880,0:17:09.060 yeah, I mean, you just buy 0:17:09.340,0:17:11.280 once or twice 0:17:11.280,0:17:14.575 or just bring a couple, but you can repeat 0:17:14.580,0:17:17.320 using this card like all the time 0:17:17.320,0:17:19.080 no need to worry that 0:17:19.820,0:17:21.680 in urgent situation 0:17:21.680,0:17:23.640 in such kind of situation 0:17:23.640,0:17:25.440 that you finish the cassette, right 0:17:26.480,0:17:29.340 yeah and also 0:17:31.380,0:17:33.320 the thing is 0:17:33.880,0:17:36.013 I feel at least myself 0:17:36.020,0:17:37.240 I feel like 0:17:37.460,0:17:40.500 wth mini dV cassette 0:17:40.500,0:17:42.300 it's like 0:17:45.480,0:17:48.840 we trained to be more discipline 0:17:49.005,0:17:51.155 I trained more discipline 0:17:51.160,0:17:53.540 with this because I need to 0:17:53.540,0:17:56.860 more precisely think about the budget 0:17:56.860,0:17:58.780 think about the time 0:18:00.700,0:18:02.540 something like that 0:18:02.545,0:18:03.545 I even... 0:18:03.875,0:18:06.955 so, you have limitations, I mean like 0:18:06.960,0:18:10.300 with analog filmmaking you have some limitations 0:18:10.300,0:18:12.460 yes, I have some limitations, but 0:18:12.460,0:18:14.920 there are also kind of 0:18:14.920,0:18:17.980 like pros and cons, of course, yeah 0:18:18.380,0:18:19.660 that time I 0:18:20.140,0:18:23.075 I remember because I do everything by myself 0:18:23.080,0:18:25.620 I put mark in the 0:18:25.620,0:18:29.620 in the cassette because always like sticker there 0:18:31.160,0:18:34.375 during the editing and post-production 0:18:34.375,0:18:36.685 I sat next to my 0:18:37.855,0:18:38.935 editor 0:18:39.245,0:18:42.045 I can remember precisely 0:18:42.045,0:18:44.695 okay, this footage is 0:18:44.695,0:18:47.435 in the cassette number this or this 0:18:47.435,0:18:50.215 and the time code is approximately 0:18:50.215,0:18:52.885 these kind of minutes, seconds 0:18:52.885,0:18:56.095 maybe a little bit different yeah 0:18:56.625,0:18:58.855 but I can remember like this 0:19:00.065,0:19:02.935 yes, it's easier because we have 0:19:02.940,0:19:06.440 yeah, I still save my mini DV cassette, so 0:19:08.220,0:19:11.100 sometimes I try to remember 0:19:11.240,0:19:15.000 ohh, that time when I shot film I needed to 0:19:15.000,0:19:17.980 really remember these things 0:19:19.840,0:19:23.360 yeah, that's about the production and then 0:19:23.580,0:19:26.260 and then also later about distribution 0:19:26.265,0:19:27.465 it was 0:19:27.860,0:19:30.280 of course more expensive that time 0:19:30.280,0:19:33.520 rather than now, it's much much cheaper 0:19:33.520,0:19:36.800 because we can do it online yeah 0:19:36.840,0:19:38.980 Kiki, I know also 0:19:38.980,0:19:41.280 that you are working as a film crew 0:19:41.280,0:19:42.455 in different projects 0:19:42.460,0:19:44.520 sometimes you become director 0:19:44.520,0:19:47.420 sometimes you become assistant of the director 0:19:48.215,0:19:50.485 sometimes you become producer 0:19:50.485,0:19:52.700 and you're working not only with documentaries 0:19:52.700,0:19:54.800 but with different media 0:19:54.800,0:19:56.800 maybe you can share with us 0:19:56.800,0:19:59.500 a little bit about the shooting process 0:19:59.500,0:20:01.100 the shooting process itself 0:20:01.100,0:20:02.860 What is the shooting process for you? 0:20:07.285,0:20:10.195 It's different, every production has 0:20:11.240,0:20:14.000 has different kind of type 0:20:14.000,0:20:16.460 I mean let's make it 0:20:18.700,0:20:21.660 something more general like between 0:20:21.660,0:20:24.680 documentary and non-documentary, for instance 0:20:25.800,0:20:28.320 in non-documentary usually 0:20:28.320,0:20:30.320 we have more crew 0:20:32.580,0:20:34.500 non-documentary, fiction 0:20:34.500,0:20:36.495 fiction or it can be 0:20:36.500,0:20:38.940 advertisement or something like that 0:20:39.100,0:20:40.900 anything that 0:20:42.760,0:20:45.360 which is not documentary 0:20:45.360,0:20:47.160 usually we 0:20:47.660,0:20:49.860 at least in my situation, 0:20:49.860,0:20:50.940 in my case 0:20:51.580,0:20:52.860 I had 0:20:54.795,0:20:57.835 experience of work with more crew 0:20:57.840,0:21:00.400 for non-documentary 0:21:00.400,0:21:02.300 and for documentary I prefer 0:21:02.860,0:21:04.560 at least so far 0:21:04.560,0:21:05.895 I prefer to work 0:21:05.900,0:21:08.720 with smaller crew 0:21:09.140,0:21:12.315 and usually in documentary 0:21:12.315,0:21:14.575 I can choose my own crew 0:21:14.575,0:21:16.395 I prefer to choose my own crew 0:21:17.260,0:21:19.840 whom I already know 0:21:19.840,0:21:22.335 like we already know each other 0:21:22.340,0:21:25.020 the pace, the character and everything 0:21:25.020,0:21:27.440 because how we communicate 0:21:27.440,0:21:30.160 we don't always agree with each other 0:21:30.160,0:21:31.680 but we already understand 0:21:32.075,0:21:33.855 "the language" 0:21:34.265,0:21:37.405 so, it's like in documentaries you prefer 0:21:37.405,0:21:39.775 to have a chamber crew 0:21:39.775,0:21:40.975 just like a couple 0:21:40.975,0:21:42.525 yeah, like more intimacy 0:21:42.525,0:21:45.645 yes yes yes, I understand 0:21:45.645,0:21:48.320 okay, Kiki and what is 0:21:48.320,0:21:50.855 because you know in Facebook and everywhere 0:21:50.855,0:21:53.225 I'm following these groups 0:21:53.225,0:21:55.465 about filmmaking 0:21:55.925,0:21:58.995 funny groups, I mean yes 0:21:58.995,0:22:02.055 and a lot of people are saying that it is 0:22:02.165,0:22:04.845 very very hard work 0:22:04.845,0:22:07.835 you know that I also 0:22:07.835,0:22:10.765 took part in some shootings 0:22:10.765,0:22:11.765 and 0:22:11.845,0:22:13.555 I remember 0:22:13.560,0:22:16.320 It was a very big surprise for me 0:22:16.320,0:22:18.280 when I came to the shooting location 0:22:18.835,0:22:19.895 and 0:22:21.260,0:22:25.060 everything ended like in 24 hours 0:22:25.060,0:22:26.700 so I had 0:22:26.700,0:22:29.120 24 hours shooting day 0:22:30.005,0:22:32.915 and it was a disaster for me 0:22:32.915,0:22:36.015 somehow when you're in the shooting process 0:22:36.020,0:22:38.400 you don't see the time flies 0:22:38.400,0:22:40.580 you don't see that, you don't feel that 0:22:40.580,0:22:43.500 somehow it was really amazing for me 0:22:43.505,0:22:46.485 and somehow I was really into that 0:22:46.485,0:22:49.835 and I suppose if you're working in that field 0:22:49.835,0:22:52.625 for already more than 10 years 0:22:52.625,0:22:55.645 probably it also gets your attention 0:22:55.645,0:22:58.700 and gets your interest in that 0:22:59.260,0:23:03.015 maybe you can give advise to young filmmakers 0:23:03.015,0:23:05.565 What is it to be in the shooting process? 0:23:05.815,0:23:08.305 Do you like that? What is that? 0:23:09.840,0:23:12.040 yes, if we talk about 0:23:12.040,0:23:14.440 non-documentary, for instance 0:23:15.020,0:23:18.075 there is actually always time 0:23:18.080,0:23:21.375 we have call sheet, we have schedule 0:23:22.300,0:23:24.860 like crew call is at this time 0:23:24.860,0:23:26.960 for instance, 6 a.m. or 5 a.m 0:23:26.960,0:23:30.700 and then we gather and prepare and evrth 0:23:30.700,0:23:32.540 and then 0:23:32.540,0:23:35.960 we start shooting at 7 a.m. or smth like that 0:23:35.960,0:23:38.080 and we supposedly 0:23:38.080,0:23:41.060 finish shooting at this time, for instance 0:23:41.400,0:23:44.320 in non-documentary, it's 0:23:44.325,0:23:46.805 kind of like actually 0:23:46.805,0:23:49.375 more precise about the time 0:23:49.375,0:23:51.855 but in documentary we don't have 0:23:51.855,0:23:55.025 we don't have this specific time 0:23:55.025,0:23:58.700 we shoot based on our research actually 0:23:58.700,0:24:00.180 but of course 0:24:03.680,0:24:06.320 we got used to it, we know 0:24:06.320,0:24:08.900 ohh okay, my character usually 0:24:09.300,0:24:13.040 wakes up at this time, usually this time 0:24:13.040,0:24:15.495 she goes to school 0:24:15.495,0:24:17.415 or at this time usually 0:24:17.415,0:24:20.585 she goes to pray, e t.c 0:24:20.800,0:24:23.520 but during the shooting it can be different 0:24:23.520,0:24:24.840 changing 0:24:24.840,0:24:27.080 sometimes changing totally 0:24:27.080,0:24:30.220 so, that's how we adjust 0:24:30.600,0:24:34.060 if there is unexpected moment 0:24:34.400,0:24:37.040 in the middle of the night 0:24:37.040,0:24:39.920 or very early in the morning 0:24:40.400,0:24:43.575 in documentary I feel that my brain 0:24:43.580,0:24:45.920 always stand-by even 0:24:45.920,0:24:48.540 while I was sleeping I also feel 0:24:48.540,0:24:51.580 like my brain is also working, you know 0:24:51.580,0:24:52.460 yes yes 0:24:52.460,0:24:56.040 like I need to be aware all the time during the 0:24:56.040,0:24:57.900 documentary shooting 0:24:57.900,0:24:59.240 because you are following the subject 0:24:59.245,0:25:00.795 or the subjects 0:25:00.795,0:25:03.615 because you are following your story 0:25:05.785,0:25:08.365 many people think when I meet 0:25:08.655,0:25:11.525 people, friends or family 0:25:11.525,0:25:13.680 or just strangers 0:25:15.240,0:25:16.980 who knew that 0:25:16.980,0:25:20.200 ohh you're working in film ohh it must be cool 0:25:22.140,0:25:24.360 you travel a lot 0:25:25.380,0:25:27.600 it will be like red carpet 0:25:27.600,0:25:29.820 you met celebrities 0:25:30.720,0:25:32.920 must be you have nice 0:25:32.920,0:25:34.380 kind of photos 0:25:34.385,0:25:36.385 for your 0:25:36.795,0:25:39.685 social media like behind the camera 0:25:39.685,0:25:42.145 holding clapper board 0:25:42.145,0:25:45.595 or something like that yeah 0:25:46.060,0:25:49.480 it is cute things about this 0:25:50.520,0:25:53.460 but it's not only about that 0:25:53.465,0:25:55.835 actually many things happen that 0:25:56.775,0:25:59.685 because you need to love and 0:25:59.685,0:26:00.685 have passion 0:26:00.895,0:26:02.025 in it 0:26:03.685,0:26:05.482 because it is not 0:26:05.482,0:26:06.645 I would say 0:26:06.645,0:26:09.375 it's not easy work, you know 0:26:09.800,0:26:12.220 and for me it's not just work 0:26:12.220,0:26:13.880 it's just not profession 0:26:13.880,0:26:16.060 but it's part of life 0:26:16.060,0:26:18.420 so, if you don't love it 0:26:18.420,0:26:20.855 it's even harder 0:26:20.855,0:26:22.245 probably yes 0:26:24.240,0:26:26.800 honestly, I don't really know that 0:26:26.800,0:26:28.820 we have like precise 0:26:30.045,0:26:31.285 time schedule 0:26:31.285,0:26:32.780 time working 0:26:32.780,0:26:35.740 like, for instance, if people who work in office 0:26:35.745,0:26:37.485 they have specific time like 9 to 5 0:26:37.485,0:26:40.615 but in film we don't have this 0:26:40.860,0:26:43.880 because sometimes we have to 0:26:45.160,0:26:47.100 catch some moment 0:26:47.100,0:26:49.200 like we need to shoot 0:26:49.700,0:26:53.040 sun goes down or sun goes up 0:26:53.040,0:26:55.340 like sunrise, sunset 0:26:55.340,0:26:57.840 for instance, yeah , just an example 0:26:57.840,0:27:00.935 something that explicit 0:27:00.935,0:27:03.855 that is easy to explain 0:27:04.245,0:27:06.985 many things like that 0:27:06.985,0:27:09.680 and I agree with you absolutely that 0:27:09.680,0:27:13.240 if a person has no passion about that 0:27:13.240,0:27:15.700 it's very hard 0:27:15.700,0:27:18.940 because it is hard for people who have passion in that 0:27:18.980,0:27:21.705 yes, who have passion in filmmaking 0:27:21.705,0:27:25.000 and maybe you can tell us a little bit about 0:27:25.000,0:27:29.660 your independent way of post-production 0:27:31.180,0:27:34.020 you go further to post-production 0:27:34.020,0:27:36.500 post-production is editing 0:27:36.500,0:27:38.660 and then an independent filmmaker 0:27:38.660,0:27:40.280 needs to go to distribution 0:27:40.280,0:27:42.415 so, what is your way? 0:27:42.415,0:27:44.435 What is your treatment in these two positions? 0:27:48.175,0:27:51.265 yeah it is different in every filmmaker 0:27:51.265,0:27:54.765 they have different goals 0:27:56.605,0:27:59.005 some of them not really prefer 0:27:59.005,0:28:02.440 I know some people who don't want to distribute 0:28:02.440,0:28:05.200 so, they made like 0:28:05.880,0:28:09.380 They prefer not to screen in the festival, for instance 0:28:09.380,0:28:11.740 but only for the community 0:28:13.120,0:28:14.695 some of them only 0:28:14.695,0:28:17.565 want to screen in the festival, but 0:28:18.440,0:28:21.900 not online, for instance, if we talk about nowadays 0:28:24.480,0:28:25.480 but for me 0:28:27.640,0:28:29.440 if we talk in general 0:28:29.440,0:28:30.820 I want 0:28:31.300,0:28:33.460 when I make films 0:28:33.460,0:28:36.060 I want to show it to people 0:28:36.060,0:28:38.000 to audience 0:28:40.920,0:28:44.020 for independent filmmakers 0:28:44.020,0:28:46.460 usually we don't have 0:28:47.760,0:28:49.840 producer or 0:28:49.840,0:28:52.560 we don't have special publicist 0:28:53.040,0:28:55.745 or distributor 0:28:55.745,0:28:58.895 we usually distribute our films 0:28:59.300,0:29:01.900 by ourselves 0:29:03.480,0:29:06.440 so, that's what I do 0:29:07.000,0:29:07.980 Thank you 0:29:07.980,0:29:10.340 How do you usually distribute? 0:29:10.340,0:29:12.700 What kind of way do you use? 0:29:12.700,0:29:13.880 I mean like 0:29:13.880,0:29:15.840 I know there are a lot of platforms nowadays 0:29:15.845,0:29:18.705 like Filmfreeway or smth else 0:29:18.705,0:29:20.740 you can apply online 0:29:20.740,0:29:23.040 maybe you can tell us a little bit about that 0:29:24.160,0:29:25.440 actually it's 0:29:25.440,0:29:29.660 very big difference if we talk about the past and now 0:29:29.660,0:29:31.660 because in the past 0:29:37.220,0:29:40.160 we need more cost 0:29:42.545,0:29:45.305 to submit our film because we need to make copy 0:29:46.925,0:29:49.925 of our film in mini DV or 0:29:49.925,0:29:52.975 VCD yeah later we had VCD 0:29:52.980,0:29:55.460 and then DVD 0:29:57.740,0:29:59.980 we have to 0:30:00.560,0:30:03.440 send a copy of our film to the festival 0:30:04.680,0:30:07.500 through courier through post-office 0:30:07.500,0:30:08.820 or something like that 0:30:10.480,0:30:12.655 and if the festival 0:30:12.660,0:30:14.660 is abroad, for instance 0:30:14.660,0:30:17.320 of course, it cost extra 0:30:18.780,0:30:21.815 to use the post services, right? 0:30:21.820,0:30:23.440 yes yes 0:30:24.620,0:30:27.900 and if they request our film 0:30:27.900,0:30:31.740 usually they will cover the cost 0:30:31.740,0:30:33.960 but if we submit 0:30:34.165,0:30:35.465 our film 0:30:35.465,0:30:39.020 it means the cost is on us 0:30:43.180,0:30:45.740 Nowadays, it's already online 0:30:45.740,0:30:49.980 that you, basically you don't need to pay anything 0:30:50.240,0:30:52.571 there are a lot of film festivals 0:30:52.580,0:30:54.600 that you don't need to pay 0:30:54.600,0:30:56.580 for free, yes 0:30:56.585,0:30:58.235 the submission is for free 0:30:58.240,0:31:00.360 submission is for free 0:31:01.520,0:31:04.700 you just need to upload your film 0:31:05.160,0:31:08.215 through internet platform 0:31:08.220,0:31:10.320 it's like maybe Dropbox, 0:31:10.320,0:31:13.440 Wetransfer, Filmfreeway, Mega 0:31:14.780,0:31:16.575 many things 0:31:16.575,0:31:19.445 Filmfreeway, Filmdepot 0:31:19.445,0:31:21.860 many many platforms nowadays 0:31:21.860,0:31:24.880 and also because of this digital way 0:31:24.885,0:31:26.905 also more and more 0:31:27.275,0:31:30.085 maybe we cannot count 0:31:30.085,0:31:33.560 like thousands millions film festivals 0:31:33.560,0:31:35.820 as well that we don't know 0:31:36.000,0:31:38.680 and it gives more chance 0:31:38.680,0:31:41.760 for us to try as well 0:31:41.760,0:31:45.240 to distribute our film which is cheaper 0:31:45.600,0:31:47.820 and perhaps easier as well 0:31:48.460,0:31:51.715 How do you think, Kiki, is it easy and 0:31:54.500,0:31:57.700 is it easy to be an independent filmmaker? 0:32:00.360,0:32:02.880 How do independent filmmakers 0:32:02.920,0:32:05.620 usually search for funds? 0:32:06.140,0:32:08.475 because I know that funding films 0:32:08.480,0:32:11.400 is not an easy way, yes 0:32:11.400,0:32:12.440 yeah 0:32:13.440,0:32:15.300 ahh yeah 0:32:16.740,0:32:19.600 to make the film that is 0:32:19.600,0:32:21.800 really your idea 0:32:21.800,0:32:23.800 really you feel 0:32:24.740,0:32:26.800 you really want to make 0:32:26.800,0:32:28.960 this certain project 0:32:29.440,0:32:31.960 it's not easy because 0:32:31.960,0:32:34.920 sometimes we apply or submit for some 0:32:34.920,0:32:38.480 grant, or people, or organisation 0:32:41.105,0:32:43.655 it's not easy because 0:32:43.660,0:32:46.200 there are also tons of filmmakers 0:32:46.200,0:32:48.320 who also apply to the same programme 0:32:48.320,0:32:49.500 Exactly 0:32:51.855,0:32:54.905 Sometimes we are not selected 0:32:54.975,0:32:56.905 I believe that sometimes 0:32:56.905,0:32:58.345 if we are not selected 0:32:58.345,0:33:00.500 it doesn't mean that your film is bad 0:33:00.500,0:33:02.520 or your project is not good 0:33:02.520,0:33:05.295 sometimes it's about the taste as well 0:33:05.295,0:33:07.965 Some people also do some business 0:33:07.965,0:33:10.275 or do another job like 0:33:10.275,0:33:13.005 and they save some money to 0:33:13.335,0:33:16.375 to make film 0:33:16.380,0:33:18.500 that they like 0:33:18.500,0:33:22.080 I know there are some filmmakers who are farmers 0:33:22.080,0:33:23.400 I know 0:33:23.400,0:33:27.380 another filmmakers who are civil servants actually 0:33:27.380,0:33:29.000 or they have another job 0:33:29.335,0:33:32.345 or me, like I become 0:33:32.555,0:33:36.045 I'm a freelancer as crew 0:33:36.425,0:33:39.285 in any kind of department 0:33:39.285,0:33:42.675 in film production in Jakarta 0:33:43.595,0:33:46.635 I mean if you're really passionate 0:33:46.640,0:33:48.340 about film 0:33:48.340,0:33:50.160 often sometimes people think 0:33:50.165,0:33:52.965 ohh you work in film you must 0:33:53.545,0:33:56.455 have a lot of money 0:33:59.180,0:34:01.860 it can be yes or no 0:34:02.920,0:34:06.060 sometimes the goals of working 0:34:08.320,0:34:12.375 when we have money we try to 0:34:12.375,0:34:14.705 to pay our rent first, to buy food 0:34:14.705,0:34:16.720 like the basic things 0:34:16.720,0:34:18.780 we try to provide ourselves 0:34:18.780,0:34:21.080 Pyramid of Maslow, yes 0:34:21.080,0:34:22.700 yeah 0:34:22.700,0:34:26.140 but what, usually, at least me 0:34:26.145,0:34:27.925 when I am at work 0:34:31.345,0:34:34.635 or when I receive 0:34:35.265,0:34:37.485 call for project or smth 0:34:37.485,0:34:39.675 what came to my mind usually 0:34:39.680,0:34:42.800 okay, I will save some money 0:34:42.800,0:34:44.665 it means 0:34:44.665,0:34:47.280 if they mention like this is the fee 0:34:47.280,0:34:48.860 this is the budget 0:34:48.860,0:34:50.440 so usually I think 0:34:50.440,0:34:52.295 okay, so this is just enough 0:34:52.300,0:34:54.560 for my food, for instance 0:34:54.560,0:34:57.975 or this is just enough for my rent 0:34:57.975,0:35:00.935 but what comes to my mind always 0:35:00.935,0:35:03.915 okay, I need to save money for my 0:35:03.915,0:35:06.875 my next project 0:35:06.880,0:35:10.980 that's the first thing that comes to my mind 0:35:11.280,0:35:14.540 to have even just a little bit 0:35:14.540,0:35:17.060 even just like 50 000 IDR to save for 0:35:17.060,0:35:20.200 your film, your next project 0:35:20.820,0:35:23.700 okay, Kiki, so I understood that 0:35:23.700,0:35:25.860 like a lot of independent artists 0:35:25.860,0:35:28.000 and independent filmmakers 0:35:28.000,0:35:29.140 you are just trying to 0:35:29.140,0:35:31.645 make money from your freelance job 0:35:31.645,0:35:34.760 but somehow this freelance job turned out 0:35:34.760,0:35:37.460 to be filmmaking in your case 0:35:38.120,0:35:40.700 so, you are filmmaker 0:35:41.500,0:35:43.320 filmmaking crew 0:35:43.320,0:35:45.740 working for your own independent films 0:35:45.740,0:35:46.815 yeah so it's like... 0:35:46.815,0:35:48.175 but that's life, yes 0:35:48.175,0:35:49.935 and I would like to ask you 0:35:49.935,0:35:52.915 about your latest projects 0:35:52.920,0:35:54.900 one of them is 0:35:54.900,0:35:57.640 documentary film "Calalai" 0:35:57.640,0:35:59.433 yes, documentary film "Calalai" 0:35:59.433,0:36:01.205 you can tell us a little bit about that 0:36:02.055,0:36:05.125 so, my latest project 0:36:05.125,0:36:07.775 one is documentary 0:36:09.540,0:36:12.700 the title is "Calalai In-betweenness" 0:36:12.700,0:36:15.775 it's about the 5th gender 0:36:17.125,0:36:19.885 in Indonesia in Bugis culture 0:36:19.885,0:36:22.935 in South Sulawesi island 0:36:23.280,0:36:26.800 they believe in five genders 0:36:26.800,0:36:31.060 which is written in La Galigo manuscript 0:36:31.320,0:36:34.175 that humans consist of five genders 0:36:34.180,0:36:36.880 male, female, bissu 0:36:37.720,0:36:40.620 they are like shamans, like the priest 0:36:40.620,0:36:42.160 and then calabai 0:36:42.160,0:36:44.160 and calalai 0:36:44.160,0:36:46.500 and I made about Calalai 0:36:47.740,0:36:51.180 so, it's like they 0:36:52.300,0:36:55.680 I mean the Bugis people they have their own system 0:36:55.680,0:36:58.100 which is beyond 0:36:58.100,0:37:00.300 like they are very great I think 0:37:01.105,0:37:02.885 very interesting for me 0:37:03.685,0:37:06.655 yes it is, yes it is 0:37:06.925,0:37:09.985 I suppose it is also interesting for 0:37:09.985,0:37:12.455 nowadays society, because 0:37:12.460,0:37:13.860 the more 0:37:13.860,0:37:19.160 like every day the agenda of different roles 0:37:19.700,0:37:22.660 the society roles, yes 0:37:22.660,0:37:23.640 and gender 0:37:23.640,0:37:25.560 we discuss it... 0:37:25.560,0:37:28.040 yeah, because nowadays also 0:37:29.780,0:37:32.400 I mean not only now 0:37:35.140,0:37:38.360 many men actually 0:37:38.500,0:37:40.880 they become like 0:37:41.200,0:37:43.480 work at home 0:37:43.480,0:37:46.380 like taking care of the kid 0:37:46.380,0:37:49.140 like become the father 0:37:49.140,0:37:52.660 and they are not working in the office, for instance 0:37:53.140,0:37:55.720 and the wife who is working in the office 0:37:55.720,0:37:58.800 which is in some... society 0:37:59.280,0:38:02.740 it's like strange or not common 0:38:03.180,0:38:04.520 but for 0:38:05.215,0:38:08.485 I mean, as long as I learn, 0:38:08.485,0:38:11.425 thats' why I made this film 0:38:11.425,0:38:14.180 in Bugis society it's okay 0:38:14.180,0:38:16.980 or if women work in construction 0:38:16.980,0:38:19.440 women become engineers, 0:38:19.440,0:38:21.480 technicians or 0:38:21.980,0:38:25.255 filmmakers, journalists, police 0:38:25.255,0:38:28.275 police officers or smth like that 0:38:28.280,0:38:30.780 or even president 0:38:32.040,0:38:34.260 it is not smth like... 0:38:35.060,0:38:37.260 strange 0:38:38.520,0:38:41.580 for Bugis society 0:38:42.800,0:38:44.620 I'm not Bugis but so far 0:38:44.625,0:38:46.425 thats's what I learned about them 0:38:46.425,0:38:49.100 so, Calalai is smth like that 0:38:51.020,0:38:53.460 so, if you are 0:38:53.460,0:38:56.260 biologically woman 0:38:56.460,0:38:57.920 it's okay 0:38:57.920,0:39:01.300 for instance, you now become filmmaker 0:39:02.120,0:39:05.600 which some people consider this as men's world 0:39:05.600,0:39:08.540 yes, a lot of professions in our world 0:39:08.540,0:39:10.380 considered to be "men's" 0:39:10.380,0:39:12.100 yes yes 0:39:13.240,0:39:15.560 okay, Kiki and I also want to ask you 0:39:15.560,0:39:17.720 about your latest project 0:39:17.720,0:39:20.120 the film "Roti" that 0:39:20.725,0:39:23.425 means 'bread" in English 0:39:23.585,0:39:26.405 if I'm not mistaken, it is a 0:39:26.405,0:39:29.485 microfilm, right? 0:39:29.485,0:39:31.635 yes, the duration is only 0:39:31.920,0:39:34.120 30 seconds 0:39:35.000,0:39:38.820 it's a fiction, but based on a true story 0:39:39.080,0:39:43.060 oh, but if it's based on a true story, don't tell us the story 0:39:43.060,0:39:44.420 because it's only 30 secods 0:39:45.315,0:39:47.695 so, don't spoil anything, yeah 0:39:48.160,0:39:49.640 no spoilers 0:39:49.640,0:39:50.980 yeah 0:39:50.980,0:39:53.480 but it will be screened online 0:39:53.855,0:39:56.305 actually already screened in 0:39:56.305,0:39:58.120 film festival 0:39:58.120,0:40:01.240 Feminist Film Festival in Berlin 0:40:01.680,0:40:05.060 and during this Corona time they will screen again 0:40:05.060,0:40:07.300 the selected films 0:40:07.620,0:40:08.645 online 0:40:08.645,0:40:11.620 okay, so maybe we can also give any link 0:40:11.620,0:40:14.680 or information below the video 0:40:15.240,0:40:17.680 okay, Kiki, I think I will 0:40:17.680,0:40:19.515 try to finish our conversation 0:40:19.515,0:40:21.965 even though it's very interesting 0:40:21.965,0:40:24.705 and very useful to get all these 0:40:25.385,0:40:26.505 stories from you 0:40:26.505,0:40:28.440 What do you... 0:40:28.700,0:40:31.340 Are you in the process of smth 0:40:31.340,0:40:33.860 during these Coronavirus times? 0:40:34.020,0:40:37.315 or smth like this quarantine? 0:40:37.320,0:40:40.920 Do you have any plans any future projects? 0:40:41.700,0:40:44.175 so, yeah, during this Corona time 0:40:44.175,0:40:47.075 which is we're already in quarantine 0:40:47.080,0:40:48.660 all of us 0:40:48.660,0:40:51.780 perhaps, most of us in quarantine 0:40:53.760,0:40:56.300 I'm working on 0:40:56.875,0:40:58.655 video project 0:40:59.420,0:41:03.140 which is I'm doing it in documentary way 0:41:03.140,0:41:05.195 in the treatment 0:41:05.195,0:41:08.115 but the result will be like video art 0:41:08.115,0:41:09.845 like experimental 0:41:12.865,0:41:15.765 so, you like this moving images 0:41:15.765,0:41:17.680 language, yes 0:41:17.680,0:41:19.280 I actually love it so much as well 0:41:20.385,0:41:22.265 yeah, I mean 0:41:23.395,0:41:26.405 video, audio-visual I like 0:41:26.405,0:41:30.820 I like audio-visual, I like video so much 0:41:33.460,0:41:36.460 besides as maker I also 0:41:36.465,0:41:39.425 enjoy it as audience 0:41:39.425,0:41:42.605 I love to spend my time watching 0:41:43.645,0:41:46.725 short short videos or films 0:41:46.785,0:41:48.875 or I spend time in.. 0:41:48.880,0:41:52.140 before the Corona time I liked to spend time 0:41:53.080,0:41:56.440 just go to the cinema 0:41:56.440,0:41:58.220 yes, yes 0:41:58.225,0:41:59.755 I can clearly understand you 0:42:00.280,0:42:03.400 so, that's the language that you like to 0:42:03.400,0:42:06.900 consume and that you like to produce, right? 0:42:06.900,0:42:08.400 yeah yeah 0:42:08.400,0:42:09.420 okay, Kiki, 0:42:09.420,0:42:12.300 thank you so much for having this conversation with me 0:42:12.300,0:42:14.080 I'm really glad about that 0:42:14.600,0:42:16.560 I hope we can meet again 0:42:16.560,0:42:18.755 and discuss maybe some other topics 0:42:18.760,0:42:20.840 and maybe we can discuss your next project 0:42:20.840,0:42:22.480 when you're already done 0:42:22.480,0:42:24.260 when this Coronavirus is done, yes 0:42:24.260,0:42:25.420 hopefully 0:42:25.420,0:42:26.940 hopefully, yeah 0:42:26.940,0:42:29.340 Thank you so much for having me 0:42:29.340,0:42:32.220 Thank you so much, Kiki, for sharing everything 0:42:33.725,0:42:36.005 Sampai jumpa! ( See you!) 0:42:36.005,0:42:38.040 until we meet again 0:42:39.620,0:42:41.500 Bye bye! 0:42:44.740,0:42:47.800 and now I need to end the meeting, yes 0:42:47.805,0:42:49.485 you see this Coronavirus 0:42:49.485,0:42:51.800 gives us different challenges 0:42:51.800,0:42:53.180 awkwardness 0:42:53.180,0:42:55.020 hahaha awkwardness 0:42:55.020,0:42:57.360 it's okay, still recording I know 0:42:57.360,0:42:59.880 because we've already said goodbye to each other 0:42:59.880,0:43:01.020 but I need to find 0:43:01.020,0:43:01.800 alright, okay 0:43:01.800,0:43:03.740 the button of Ending the meeting 0:43:03.740,0:43:05.440 I think I'm done 0:43:05.660,0:43:06.660 thank you so much, bye bye 0:43:06.660,0:43:08.660 thank you thank you 0:43:08.660,0:43:09.940 Bye bye!