0:02:28.360,0:02:32.069 In 1935, Ed Murrow[br]began his career with CBS. 0:02:32.840,0:02:34.432 When World War Two broke out... 0:02:34.520,0:02:37.193 ...his voice brought[br]the battle of Britain home to us... 0:02:37.280,0:02:39.635 ...through his "This Is London"[br]radio series. 0:02:40.520,0:02:41.999 He started with us all... 0:02:42.120,0:02:45.396 ...many of us here tonight,[br]when television was in its infancy... 0:02:45.480,0:02:47.835 ...with the news documentary show,[br]"See It Now'. 0:02:48.000,0:02:49.672 He threw stones at giants. 0:02:50.720,0:02:53.837 Segregation, exploitation[br]of migrant workers... 0:02:54.040,0:02:56.031 ...apartheid, J. Edgar Hoover... 0:02:56.880,0:03:00.839 ...not the least of which, his historical[br]fight with Senator McCarthy. 0:03:01.920,0:03:05.390 He is the host of our enormously[br]popular show "Person to Person"... 0:03:06.080,0:03:08.753 ...and tonight he is here[br]with his son, Casey... 0:03:09.200,0:03:12.397 ...wife, Janet, and all of you[br]who he's worked with... 0:03:12.720,0:03:15.678 ...inspired, lectured, and taught. 0:03:16.760,0:03:18.034 Ladies and gentlemen... 0:03:18.120,0:03:22.113 ...the Radio-Television News Directors'[br]Association and Foundation welcomes... 0:03:22.200,0:03:24.350 ...Mr. Edward R. Murrow. 0:03:44.160,0:03:46.230 This might just do nobody any good. 0:03:47.080,0:03:50.675 At the end of this discourse[br]a few people may accuse this reporter... 0:03:50.760,0:03:52.876 ...of fouling[br]his own comfortable nest... 0:03:53.280,0:03:56.670 ...and your organization may be[br]accused of having given hospitality... 0:03:56.760,0:03:59.035 ...to heretical[br]and even dangerous ideas. 0:04:00.040,0:04:02.235 But the elaborate structure[br]of networks... 0:04:02.320,0:04:05.995 ...advertising agencies, and sponsors[br]will not be shaken or altered. 0:04:06.840,0:04:10.116 It is my desire, if not my duty,[br]to try to talk to you journeymen... 0:04:10.200,0:04:13.590 ...with some candor about what[br]is happening to radio andtelevision. 0:04:13.680,0:04:15.557 And if what I say is responsible... 0:04:15.960,0:04:18.428 ...I alone am responsible[br]for the saying ofit. 0:04:19.600,0:04:21.670 Our history will be[br]what we make of it. 0:04:22.520,0:04:25.956 And if there are any historians[br]about 50 or 100 years from now... 0:04:26.040,0:04:27.598 ...and there should be preserved... 0:04:27.680,0:04:30.399 ...the kinescopes of one week[br]of all three networks... 0:04:30.800,0:04:34.315 ...they will there find recorded[br]in black and white, and in color... 0:04:34.880,0:04:36.836 ...evidence of decadence,[br]escapism... 0:04:36.920,0:04:40.390 ...and insulation from the realities[br]of the world in which we live. 0:04:40.920,0:04:44.549 We are currently wealthy, fat,[br]comfortable, and complacent. 0:04:45.400,0:04:48.915 We have a built-in allergy to[br]unpleasant or disturbing information. 0:04:49.120,0:04:51.236 Our mass media reflect this. 0:04:52.200,0:04:54.475 But unless we get up off[br]our fat surpluses... 0:04:54.560,0:04:56.915 ...and recognize[br]that television in the main... 0:04:57.000,0:05:01.039 ...is being used to distract, delude,[br]amuse, and insulate us... 0:05:01.520,0:05:03.715 ...then television[br]and those who finance it... 0:05:03.800,0:05:06.598 ...those who look at it[br]and those who work at it... 0:05:06.920,0:05:09.388 ...may see atotally[br]different picture too late. 0:05:54.440,0:05:57.512 Millie! Just the person[br]I wanted to see! Come here! 0:06:06.920,0:06:08.990 This goes at the top[br]of the Roy Campanella piece. 0:06:09.080,0:06:10.149 Yes! Give me a half an hour. 0:06:10.240,0:06:11.992 I may need it[br]a little quicker than that! 0:06:12.080,0:06:15.072 - Can I get some coffee first?[br]- Come on! Get me some coffee! 0:06:17.080,0:06:18.195 Morning, Johnny! 0:06:18.280,0:06:21.272 I have some new notes that go[br]with the Tito footage for Fred. 0:06:21.360,0:06:22.554 Fred's gonna be in[br]in an hour. 0:06:22.640,0:06:25.712 I already put them on his desk.[br]Can you just make sure that... 0:06:25.800,0:06:28.473 ...he doesn't look at the film[br]until he reads the notes? 0:06:28.560,0:06:29.834 - Yes.[br]- Thank you. 0:06:30.160,0:06:31.149 Hey, Joe! Shirley! 0:06:32.640,0:06:34.915 - What's going on in here?[br]- What do you mean? 0:06:35.000,0:06:36.831 Two attractive people[br]alone in the copy room! 0:06:36.920,0:06:38.148 Don't tell Paley, he'll fire me. 0:06:38.240,0:06:39.673 He'll fire both of us, Shirley. 0:06:39.760,0:06:42.433 - Rules are made to be broken![br]- You can afford to say that. 0:06:46.880,0:06:48.074 Let me see this. 0:06:51.560,0:06:55.030 - It's simply a loyalty oath.[br]- To CBS? - And to America. 0:06:55.280,0:06:56.713 You promise to be a loyal American? 0:06:56.800,0:06:58.870 I know. All of the reporters[br]have signed this. 0:06:58.960,0:07:00.598 Who are you promising this to?[br]CBS? 0:07:00.680,0:07:02.591 Fred signed it.[br]Murrow signed it. 0:07:02.680,0:07:03.999 - Murrow signed it?[br]- Yeah. 0:07:05.400,0:07:07.072 Are you now[br]or have you ever been... 0:07:07.160,0:07:09.310 I thought it was a joke,[br]but there's a lot of pressure. 0:07:09.400,0:07:11.834 ...on the Attorney General's list[br]of subversive groups? 0:07:11.920,0:07:14.036 - I don't know.[br]- Let's think about it. 0:07:14.120,0:07:17.556 What is it really saying? Is it a civil[br]liberties issue or censorship? 0:07:17.640,0:07:19.870 Am I simply stating to CBS[br]that I'm not a Communist? 0:07:19.960,0:07:22.190 - Murrow signed this?[br]- And Fred and Stanton. 0:07:22.280,0:07:25.317 - Maybe you should talk toMurrow.[br]- Maybe I should sign it. 0:07:26.440,0:07:29.113 If you don't sign this,[br]are you and I a target? 0:07:31.320,0:07:33.197 If I don'tsign it,[br]they'll fire me. 0:07:39.400,0:07:40.355 Sign it. 0:07:40.760,0:07:42.830 Finally we can tell everyone[br]the truth. 0:07:44.080,0:07:47.356 If I could express it[br]in what's in my heart now... 0:07:47.720,0:07:51.918 ...I'd do it in the terms[br]of the poet who once said... 0:07:52.480,0:07:55.711 ..."Ah, 'tis but a dainty flower[br]I bring to you." 0:07:56.680,0:07:58.636 'Yes, 'tis but a violet..." 0:07:59.560,0:08:00.993 "...glistening with dew." 0:08:01.960,0:08:05.350 "But still in its heart[br]there lie beauties concealed." 0:08:06.400,0:08:07.992 "So in our heart..." 0:08:09.360,0:08:10.873 "...our love for you..." 0:08:11.840,0:08:14.308 "...lies unrevealed." 0:08:16.720,0:08:17.789 I used to... 0:08:23.720,0:08:28.510 ...pride myself on the idea[br]that I was a bit... tough... 0:08:30.240,0:08:36.190 ...especially over the past[br]19-19 months, when we've been... 0:08:36.800,0:08:39.712 ...kicked around,[br]and bullwhipped, and damned. 0:08:40.960,0:08:42.234 I didnt think that... 0:08:44.440,0:08:47.318 ...I could be... touched very deeply. 0:08:47.520,0:08:49.670 Okay, that's enough.[br]That's enough, Leo. 0:08:49.760,0:08:51.716 - It's short.[br]- Howlong is the piece? 0:08:51.800,0:08:53.472 It's 4 minutes,[br]but we can cut it down. 0:08:53.560,0:08:56.233 It cant stand alone, but it might be[br]a nice companion piece. 0:08:56.320,0:08:58.550 Let's go through this one more time.[br]Palmer! 0:08:58.640,0:09:01.837 Yep, got a call from the office[br]of Senator Morse this morning... 0:09:01.920,0:09:04.912 ...interested in setting up[br]a debate possibly with Senator Kerr... 0:09:05.000,0:09:07.355 ...over the comments[br]Bentsen made on last night's show. 0:09:07.440,0:09:10.557 Secretary of Agriculture? Good idea![br]Can they do it by this week? 0:09:10.640,0:09:13.108 No, it would have to be 2 weeks[br]at the earliest... 0:09:13.200,0:09:16.397 ...depending on Morse's schedule.[br]But still it's a great idea. 0:09:16.480,0:09:19.677 Let's follow up on that.[br]"Hoover speaks on Benjamin Franklin." 0:09:19.760,0:09:22.752 We're having better luck[br]with Mr. Benjamin Frankin... 0:09:22.840,0:09:24.034 ...than with Mr. Hoover. 0:09:24.120,0:09:26.475 It may progress better[br]as a "Person to Person". 0:09:26.560,0:09:28.915 "At home with Ben Frankin.[br]His electricity awards." 0:09:29.000,0:09:30.831 We've got the footage,[br]we need to contact him. 0:09:30.920,0:09:34.469 See if you can contact him and get the[br]shot. He wants to do the story. Joe! 0:09:34.560,0:09:36.232 Member Delbert Clark?[br]No longer with us. 0:09:36.320,0:09:38.754 - New York Times? - Yeah.[br]- Our friend at the Times. 0:09:38.840,0:09:41.434 This was yesterday morning,[br]they're saying it's... 0:09:41.640,0:09:45.076 - How old was he?[br]- 53. Sudden illness. 0:09:45.160,0:09:47.720 - Home of a friend.[br]- No, it's not a nobit piece. 0:09:47.880,0:09:50.314 Natalie send some flowers[br]over there from us. 0:09:50.760,0:09:52.990 Couple things.[br]Case before the Supreme Court... 0:09:53.080,0:09:56.834 ...involving the constitutionality of a[br]section of the Internal Security Act... 0:09:56.920,0:09:58.797 ...provides for the deportation[br]of any alien... 0:09:58.880,0:10:01.519 ...if he becomes a Communist[br]after entering this country. 0:10:02.040,0:10:03.075 Can you take this? 0:10:03.160,0:10:05.628 All right. McCarthy interrupting[br]his wedding trip... 0:10:05.720,0:10:09.076 ...to take charge of the investigation[br]of Communist infiltration... 0:10:09.160,0:10:11.469 - Natalie, send some flowers.[br]- Poor Mrs. McCarthy! 0:10:11.560,0:10:13.596 May I finish?[br]It's national security! 0:10:13.680,0:10:16.353 - A real ladies' man![br]- Well, they're in love. 0:10:16.840,0:10:21.038 We have no show for Tuesday, fellows.[br]So get out there and make some news. 0:10:21.840,0:10:25.037 Rob a bank. Mug an old lady.[br]Do something. 0:10:25.800,0:10:28.314 - You look at the Secretary Stevens[br]footage? - We will. 0:10:28.400,0:10:30.834 Watch it all the way to the end,[br]it's worth it. 0:10:32.360,0:10:33.509 Thank you, John. 0:10:34.400,0:10:35.719 There's notmuch there. 0:10:35.840,0:10:39.196 I can't tie it to the Eisenhower[br]in the back of the train piece. 0:10:39.480,0:10:42.711 - You ever spend any time in Detroit,[br]Fred? - Not recently. 0:10:44.040,0:10:47.157 There's a story here[br]in the Detroit News, Dexter, Michigan. 0:10:47.880,0:10:49.871 A kid named Milo Radulovich. 0:10:51.400,0:10:54.995 - Italian? - Irish. Air Force[br]kicked him out because his dad... 0:10:55.080,0:10:59.517 ...reads ome Serbian newspaper.[br]- Was he a Communist? - I don't know. 0:10:59.600,0:11:01.352 - Who brought the charges?[br]- Air Force. 0:11:02.120,0:11:04.634 Charges were in a sealed envelope,[br]nobody saw them. 0:11:04.720,0:11:07.871 - Not even at the hearing? - He was[br]declared guilty without a trial... 0:11:07.960,0:11:09.632 ...and told if he wanted[br]to keep his job... 0:11:09.720,0:11:12.871 ...he had to denounce his father[br]and his sister. Thank you, Natalie. 0:11:12.960,0:11:15.315 - His sister?[br]- He told them to take a hike. 0:11:16.960,0:11:20.475 Let's send Joe and Charlie down there,[br]see if he's any good on camera. 0:11:20.560,0:11:22.755 Is he being brought[br]before the Committee? 0:11:23.440,0:11:24.395 No. 0:11:25.480,0:11:26.799 Then it's not McCarthy. 0:11:28.360,0:11:29.315 Isn't it? 0:11:35.160,0:11:36.639 Milo Radulovich. 0:11:40.720,0:11:42.073 What happens to your children... 0:11:42.160,0:11:44.958 ...your 5-year-old and your 5-month-old[br]in terms of you? 0:11:45.040,0:11:47.873 If I am being judged[br]on my relatives... 0:11:48.840,0:11:53.709 ...are my children going[br]to be asked to denounce me? 0:11:53.800,0:11:57.679 Are they going to be judged[br]on what their father was labeled? 0:11:58.360,0:12:03.150 Are they going to have to explain[br]to their friends, etc... 0:12:03.240,0:12:05.470 ...why their father[br]is a security risk? 0:12:06.400,0:12:10.871 If the thing is let stand[br]as it, the first recommendation... 0:12:11.160,0:12:15.199 ...was sent out by the board,[br]I see a chain reaction that... 0:12:15.960,0:12:18.155 ...has no end to anybody,[br]for anybody. 0:12:24.560,0:12:25.834 Well, that's new. 0:12:27.000,0:12:28.558 You can't call this[br]a neutral piece. 0:12:28.640,0:12:31.791 The other side's been represented[br]rather well for the last 2 years. 0:12:31.880,0:12:33.393 The Air Force[br]hasn't gone on the record. 0:12:33.480,0:12:36.392 So you want to forego the standards[br]you've stuck to for 15 years... 0:12:36.480,0:12:37.674 ...both sides, no commentary. 0:12:37.760,0:12:40.638 - We all editorialize. - I'm just[br]making sure we identify what... 0:12:40.720,0:12:42.312 We're giving them[br]the information up front... 0:12:42.400,0:12:43.913 ...and we're asking them[br]to comment on it. 0:12:44.000,0:12:44.989 Frank, hold on. 0:12:45.720,0:12:47.312 I've searched my conscience. 0:12:47.480,0:12:50.552 I can't for the life of me[br]find any justification for this. 0:12:50.640,0:12:53.393 I simply cannot accept[br]that there are, on every story... 0:12:53.480,0:12:55.436 ...two equal and logical sides[br]to an argument. 0:12:55.520,0:12:58.353 - Call it editorializing, if you'd like.[br]- It is editorializing. 0:12:58.440,0:13:00.078 They'll have equal time[br]to defend themselves. 0:13:00.160,0:13:02.151 Do you understand the position[br]you're putting us in? 0:13:02.240,0:13:05.073 We are all in this together,[br]if the Senate wants to investigate... 0:13:05.160,0:13:06.149 Do me a favor... 0:13:06.240,0:13:09.437 ...avoid any big speeches about how[br]we're all in a big boat together! 0:13:09.520,0:13:10.669 Please, don't insult me. 0:13:11.200,0:13:15.159 I have to go back to Mr. Paley[br]and Alcoa, who sponsors your show... 0:13:15.640,0:13:17.870 ...and also have[br]some military contracts... 0:13:17.960,0:13:21.032 ...and I have to tell them that[br]they're going to be in a tough bind... 0:13:21.120,0:13:23.076 ...because of a beef you had[br]with Joe McCarthy. 0:13:23.160,0:13:26.152 - We're not going at McCarthy.[br]- You're starting the goddamn fire. 0:13:26.240,0:13:29.471 Excuse me. Mr. Friendly,[br]there's a Colonel Anderson to see you? 0:13:29.560,0:13:32.916 - Colonel? - He's in your office.[br]There are two of them. 0:13:34.640,0:13:37.757 Maybe they liked the transcript,[br]and want to compliment us on it. 0:13:38.320,0:13:39.309 Excuse me. 0:13:47.160,0:13:49.799 Go after Joe Kennedy.[br]We'll pay for it. 0:13:50.280,0:13:52.271 I've got a great story about Hoover. 0:13:56.080,0:13:58.435 You know how many shows[br]you're going to have to do... 0:13:58.520,0:14:01.478 ...to make up for this? - And Judy[br]and her daughter Liza next week. 0:14:01.560,0:14:03.551 No, no.[br]You're interviewing Rin Tin Tin! 0:14:08.440,0:14:09.919 I'll talk to Mr. Paley. 0:14:12.400,0:14:14.152 Alcoa wont pay for the ads. 0:14:15.120,0:14:18.635 And we probably wont either.[br]But nobody'll stop you. 0:14:18.720,0:14:19.835 How much are the ads? 0:14:22.000,0:14:25.037 - 3,000.[br]- I'll split it with Fred. 0:14:26.560,0:14:29.757 He just won't have Christmas presents[br]for his kids this year. 0:14:30.080,0:14:33.152 - He's a Jew. - Don't tell him that,[br]he loves Christmas. 0:14:41.960,0:14:44.838 - To be clear, you did speak[br]with the lawyers? - Yes, we did. 0:14:44.920,0:14:48.071 And we read the transcript. We've not[br]been allowed to see the footage. 0:14:48.160,0:14:51.072 Mack is on a plane from Dexter[br]right now with the last interviews. 0:14:51.160,0:14:52.832 We'll be going[br]right down to the wire. 0:14:52.920,0:14:57.391 Your show airs tomorrow. How can we[br]possibly approve and check... 0:14:57.480,0:15:01.029 ...your story in the limited amount[br]of time you have given us? 0:15:01.120,0:15:04.669 With all due respect, you have been[br]invited to participate in this piece... 0:15:04.760,0:15:06.079 ...not to approve it. 0:15:06.680,0:15:09.592 We are going with the story[br]that says that the U.S. Air Force... 0:15:09.680,0:15:12.114 ...tried Milo Radulovich[br]without any evidence... 0:15:12.200,0:15:14.668 ...and found him guilty[br]of being a security risk... 0:15:14.760,0:15:18.275 ...without his Constitutional rights...[br]- You have not seen the evidence... 0:15:18.360,0:15:20.590 ...and are claiming[br]he's not a security risk. 0:15:20.680,0:15:24.639 Wouldn't you guess that those who have[br]seen the contents of that envelope... 0:15:24.720,0:15:28.599 ...might have a better idea of what[br]makes someone a danger to his country? 0:15:28.680,0:15:31.877 - Who? Who? - Or do you think[br]it should just be you that decides? 0:15:31.960,0:15:34.428 Who are the people?[br]Are they elected? Are they appointed? 0:15:34.520,0:15:37.080 Do they have an axe to grind?[br]Is it you, sir? 0:15:37.320,0:15:41.393 Or you, Colonel Jenkns? Do you know[br]the contents of that sealed envelope? 0:15:42.360,0:15:47.673 We have been a friend and ally of both[br]Mr. Murrow and CBS News for many years. 0:15:48.240,0:15:51.391 The story you are going[br]to run tomorrow is without merit. 0:15:51.880,0:15:54.872 So before you take any steps[br]that cannot be undone... 0:15:55.240,0:15:57.800 ...I strongly urge you[br]to reconsider your stand. 0:15:58.440,0:16:01.750 These are very dangerous waters[br]you are attempting to navigate. 0:16:07.600,0:16:13.232 We have had no hearing at all.[br]We have had noday in court. 0:16:13.640,0:16:17.599 In all the 32 years that I have been[br]a practicing attorney in Detroit... 0:16:17.800,0:16:22.157 ...I have never witnessed such a farce[br]and travesty upon justice... 0:16:22.240,0:16:24.151 ...as this thing has developed. 0:16:24.440,0:16:27.113 - Now this whole theory...[br]- Eddie, just take the first reel. 0:16:27.200,0:16:29.077 Tell John I left[br]5 seconds extra leader. 0:16:29.160,0:16:32.391 5 seconds! I got it! Palmer,[br]where's Joe? Have you seen Joe? 0:16:32.480,0:16:33.708 He's on his way[br]to the control room. 0:16:33.800,0:16:35.392 We're gonna have to do[br]the voice-over live. 0:16:35.480,0:16:37.198 Natalie, I need a booth[br]with a live mic. 0:16:37.280,0:16:38.474 Booth is there, it's already set. 0:16:38.560,0:16:40.676 We didn't have time[br]to sync the voice-over out. 0:16:40.920,0:16:42.512 That's not what I asked for. 0:16:44.120,0:16:45.997 It's missing the voice-over[br]on the last piece. 0:16:46.080,0:16:48.116 There's a commercial in the booth.[br]What shall I do? 0:16:48.200,0:16:50.839 - 2 minutes to air! - There's not[br]supposed to be a commercial! 0:16:50.920,0:16:52.148 Get himout of the booth! 0:16:55.560,0:16:57.676 2-and-a-half minutes[br]on the end piece. 0:16:58.800,0:17:01.394 Keep it down, please.[br]It's a little loud. 0:17:01.520,0:17:02.748 2 minutes to air, fellas. 0:17:04.120,0:17:07.317 - He's gonna add a joke.[br]- Charlie, loan me your lighter. 0:17:09.120,0:17:12.317 Make sure you know that I swap[br]with those two pieces of parents. 0:17:12.400,0:17:15.278 - As long as he talks fast because...[br]- He will talk fast. 0:17:20.200,0:17:21.315 We got the film. 0:17:22.480,0:17:23.674 Will it be ready? 0:17:24.160,0:17:25.149 You bet. 0:17:30.880,0:17:32.074 Funny thing, Freddy! 0:17:32.520,0:17:35.671 Every time you light a cigarette[br]for me, I know you're lying. 0:17:49.680,0:17:52.478 It occurs t ome[br]we might not get away with this one. 0:17:58.600,0:18:01.512 Alcoa, the aluminum company[br]of America... 0:18:01.600,0:18:03.670 - 10 seconds.[br]- You fellas, ready? Okay. 0:18:03.920,0:18:05.148 Ready on camera 1. 0:18:11.840,0:18:15.958 5, 4,3, 2. 0:18:18.720,0:18:19.914 Pan, camera 1. 0:18:21.400,0:18:22.355 Good evening. 0:18:22.800,0:18:26.315 A few weeks ago there occurred a few[br]obscure notices in the newspapers... 0:18:26.400,0:18:28.118 ...about Milo Radulovich... 0:18:28.480,0:18:30.596 ...a lieutenant[br]in the Air Force Reserves. 0:18:30.920,0:18:34.435 And, also, something about Air Force[br]regulation 35-62... 0:18:35.280,0:18:38.716 ...which states that a man[br]may be regarded as a security risk... 0:18:38.800,0:18:41.917 ...if he has close and continuing[br]association with Communists... 0:18:42.000,0:18:44.594 ...or people believed[br]to have Communist sympathies. 0:18:45.480,0:18:48.870 Lieutenant Radulovich was asked[br]to resign in August. He declined. 0:18:49.120,0:18:51.236 A board was called[br]and heard his case. 0:18:51.320,0:18:54.790 At the end it was recommended that[br]he be severed from the Air Force... 0:18:54.880,0:18:58.156 ...although it was also stated[br]that there was no question whatever... 0:18:58.240,0:18:59.992 ...as to the Lieutenant's loyalty. 0:19:00.120,0:19:02.429 We propose to examine,[br]in so far as we can... 0:19:02.520,0:19:04.556 ...the case of Lieutenant Radulovich. 0:19:04.760,0:19:07.433 Our reporter, Joe Wershba,[br]cameraman, Charlie Mack. 0:19:08.320,0:19:11.198 This is the town of Dexter, Michigan.[br]Population 1500. 0:19:11.600,0:19:14.751 This statue is at the end[br]of Ann Arbor Street erected by... 0:19:14.840,0:19:16.717 What did the General[br]tell you yesterday? 0:19:16.880,0:19:19.997 - A Colonel. There were two of them.[br]- That makes a General. 0:19:20.120,0:19:21.439 They weren't too pleased. 0:19:22.280,0:19:24.157 You're gonna get audited this year. 0:19:24.520,0:19:27.557 Not me, you. I told them[br]I didn't want to do the story. 0:19:28.800,0:19:31.314 - You always were yellow.[br]- Better than red. 0:19:38.160,0:19:39.229 In 10 seconds. 0:19:43.520,0:19:46.034 This is the sister,[br]Margaret Radulovich Fishman. 0:19:46.400,0:19:49.437 She neither defends nor explains[br]her political activities. 0:19:49.640,0:19:54.236 I feel that my activities,[br]be what they may... 0:19:54.320,0:19:57.153 ...or my political beliefs[br]are my own private affair. 0:19:57.640,0:20:02.589 Are my children going to be asked[br]to denounce me? 0:20:02.680,0:20:06.639 Are they going to be judged[br]on what their father was labeled? 0:20:07.080,0:20:11.790 Are they going to have to explain[br]to their friends, etc... 0:20:11.920,0:20:13.876 ...why their father[br]is a security risk? 0:20:14.760,0:20:19.470 I see, absolutely,[br]that this is a chain reaction. 0:20:19.840,0:20:23.958 If the thing is let stand as it,[br]the first recommendation... 0:20:24.040,0:20:28.158 ...was sent out by the board[br]I see a chain reaction... 0:20:28.240,0:20:31.550 ...that has no end to anybody,[br]for anybody. 0:20:32.400,0:20:35.358 Perhaps you will permit me[br]to read a few sentences... 0:20:35.440,0:20:38.432 ...because I would like to say[br]rather precisely what I mean. 0:20:38.840,0:20:41.479 We have told the Air Force[br]that we will provide facilities... 0:20:41.560,0:20:44.518 ...for any comments, criticisms,[br]or corrections it may wish to make... 0:20:44.600,0:20:46.511 ...as to the case of Milo Radulovich. 0:20:47.760,0:20:51.116 We are unable to judge the charges[br]against his father or sister... 0:20:51.200,0:20:54.397 ...because neither we, nor you,[br]nor they, nor the lawyers... 0:20:54.480,0:20:58.359 ...nor the Lieutenant, know what was[br]contained in that manila envelope. 0:20:59.040,0:21:02.077 Was it hearsay,[br]rumor, gossip, slander... 0:21:02.320,0:21:06.199 ...or hard ascertainable facts that[br]could be backed by credible witnesses? 0:21:06.520,0:21:07.669 We do not know. 0:21:08.480,0:21:11.631 We believe the son shall not bear[br]the iniquity of the father. 0:21:11.760,0:21:15.116 Even though that iniquity be proved[br]and in this case it was not. 0:21:16.120,0:21:19.271 But we believe too that this case[br]illustrates the urgent need... 0:21:19.360,0:21:23.114 ...for the Armed Forces to communicate[br]more fully than they have so far done... 0:21:23.200,0:21:25.555 ...the procedures and regulations[br]to be followed... 0:21:25.640,0:21:27.949 ...in attempting to protect[br]the national security... 0:21:28.040,0:21:30.679 ...and the rights of the individual[br]at the same time. 0:21:31.720,0:21:34.314 Whatever happens in this area[br]of the relationship... 0:21:34.400,0:21:36.436 ...between the individual[br]and the state... 0:21:36.520,0:21:38.033 ...we will do it ourselves... 0:21:38.560,0:21:42.838 ...it cannot be blamed on Malenkov[br]or Mao Tse-Tung or even our allies. 0:21:43.560,0:21:46.757 And, it seems to us,[br]Fred Friendly and myself... 0:21:47.240,0:21:50.596 ...that this is a subject[br]that should be argued about endlessly. 0:21:52.120,0:21:53.917 Good night, and good luck. 0:22:00.520,0:22:01.635 And we'reout. 0:23:33.600,0:23:34.000 May I tell you something[br]about yourself... 0:23:34.000,0:23:35.638 May I tellyou something[br]about yourself... 0:23:35.720,0:23:38.029 ...as a member[br]of the "Person to Person" audience? 0:23:38.120,0:23:40.111 Based on audience[br]research studies... 0:23:40.640,0:23:44.076 ...you are well above average[br]in education and intelligence. 0:23:44.640,0:23:47.677 Your interests are wide,[br]from world affairs and science... 0:23:47.840,0:23:49.592 ...to sports and show business. 0:23:49.880,0:23:52.997 And you have one characteristic[br]that's rather encouraging to me... 0:23:53.080,0:23:56.834 ...and that's the fact that you are[br]not easily persuaded by advertising. 0:23:57.560,0:24:00.279 The makers of Kent considered[br]all these characteristics... 0:24:00.360,0:24:02.430 ...when they chose[br]Mr. Murrow'sprogram... 0:24:02.520,0:24:03.999 ...to tell you about Kent. 0:24:04.240,0:24:09.109 Of all leading filter cigarettes,[br]Kent filter's best. 0:24:09.360,0:24:12.352 If you try Kent with that in mind,[br]I think you'll agree... 0:24:12.440,0:24:15.512 ...with many other thinking people[br]who havec hanged to Kent. 0:24:15.840,0:24:20.550 They find that it makes good sense[br]to smoke Kent and good smoking, too. 0:24:21.480,0:24:24.631 - Did you get the changes?[br]- Edward Murrow, "Person to Person"... 0:24:24.720,0:24:28.395 ...on the CBS Television Network.[br]- No, no. You there? Okay. We got it. 0:24:28.480,0:24:29.993 Now back to Ed Murrow. 0:24:31.200,0:24:33.998 Not since the silent movies[br]and the idols they produced... 0:24:34.080,0:24:37.675 ...has Hollywood witnessed the sort[br]of pilgrimage that is now going on. 0:24:38.160,0:24:41.675 Each day, oblivious to time,[br]weather, and the state of the world... 0:24:41.840,0:24:45.515 ...sightseers head in the direction[br]of California's San Fernando Valley. 0:24:45.960,0:24:49.077 For there, at the end[br]of the tourist line, is Sherman Oaks... 0:24:49.160,0:24:52.357 ...and the home Liberace[br]has built for himself and his mother. 0:24:52.520,0:24:56.229 This is the front and nobody knows[br]how many people have seen that view. 0:24:56.840,0:24:59.957 This is the back of the house[br]and that's Liberace's bedroom. 0:25:00.920,0:25:02.990 - Good evening, Lee.[br]- Good evening, Ed. 0:25:03.080,0:25:07.631 - What are you doing? - I'm dictating[br]my weekly syndicated newspaper column... 0:25:08.080,0:25:14.349 ...and on my trusty tape recorder here,[br]I'm also dictating a book. 0:25:14.440,0:25:16.715 - It's an inspirational book.[br]- Lee, what about you? 0:25:16.800,0:25:19.678 Have you given much thought[br]to getting married and settling down? 0:25:19.760,0:25:22.274 Actually, I've given[br]a lot of thought to it... 0:25:22.360,0:25:26.114 ...but I don't believe in getting married[br]just for the sake of getting married. 0:25:26.200,0:25:28.794 I want to someday[br]find the perfect mate... 0:25:29.160,0:25:33.073 ...and settle down to what I hope will[br]be a marriage that will be blessed... 0:25:33.200,0:25:35.714 ...by faith[br]and will be a lasting union. 0:25:36.200,0:25:40.751 I was reading[br]about lovely young Princess Margaret... 0:25:41.280,0:25:43.840 ...and she's lookng[br]for her dream man, too... 0:25:44.400,0:25:46.311 ...and I hope she finds him someday. 0:25:47.640,0:25:51.235 Uh-huh. Lee, thanks very much[br]for letting us come and visit you. 0:25:51.320,0:25:52.435 It's been very pleasant. 0:25:52.520,0:25:54.590 And will you say goodnight[br]to your family for us? 0:25:54.680,0:25:56.318 - I certainly will.[br]- Thanks a lot. 0:25:56.400,0:25:58.152 - Good night, Ed.[br]- Good night, Lee. 0:25:59.560,0:26:02.199 Next week, we'll take you[br]to Beverly Hills, California... 0:26:02.280,0:26:04.840 ...to the house of Mickey Rooney[br]and his newbride. 0:26:04.920,0:26:07.480 Until then,[br]good night, and good luck. 0:26:13.440,0:26:14.998 Good show, Mr. Murrow! 0:26:37.240,0:26:38.434 Excuse me, Mr. Murrow. 0:26:38.520,0:26:41.114 Could you take a look at this[br]and sign it for me, please? 0:26:41.200,0:26:44.192 Thank you. Dr. Stanton[br]would like to have a drink with you. 0:26:44.280,0:26:46.236 - When?[br]- Now. He's at the Pentagon Bar. 0:26:46.320,0:26:48.436 I can't. What the hell[br]is he doing there? 0:26:48.520,0:26:51.273 - I believe he's waiting for you.[br]- Just call him! - Fine. 0:26:51.360,0:26:53.920 - Oppenheimer next week.[br]- It's a good show, Ed. 0:26:55.680,0:26:56.954 - Hey, Don![br]- Ed! 0:26:57.960,0:26:59.313 You're getting good at this! 0:26:59.840,0:27:01.558 They're gonna think you like it! 0:27:01.720,0:27:03.915 Pays the bills. How are you, Don? 0:27:05.160,0:27:06.149 Ah, it's... 0:27:07.560,0:27:08.709 ...day today. 0:27:09.440,0:27:12.238 If she saw how good you look[br]right now, she'd be back. 0:27:13.720,0:27:16.029 You tell her that[br]if you see her, will you? 0:27:17.480,0:27:20.552 - I read the O'Brian piece.[br]- Yeah, it's tough. 0:27:21.360,0:27:23.828 I'm a pinko.[br]I slant the news. 0:27:24.880,0:27:27.599 I'm just waiting for him[br]to say my wife left me too. 0:27:27.880,0:27:30.678 - Nobody worth their salt reads him.[br]- You read him. 0:27:31.200,0:27:32.792 Well, see, I rest my case. 0:27:34.440,0:27:38.513 - Does Paley read him?[br]- Bill Paley's not gonna do anything. 0:27:41.560,0:27:42.629 Thanks, Ed. 0:27:43.920,0:27:47.071 I just came by to tell you[br]how great the Lieutenant piece was. 0:27:47.160,0:27:50.232 - Thanks. - How's the fallout?[br]- Mostly good, surprisingly. 0:27:50.440,0:27:53.113 Is this the start?[br]Are you taking sides? 0:27:55.600,0:27:58.512 It's just a little poke[br]with a stick, see what happens. 0:27:58.760,0:28:00.398 You let me know if I can help. 0:28:00.600,0:28:01.999 But you're a pinko. 0:28:04.640,0:28:05.834 I'll see you. 0:28:21.160,0:28:23.720 Hey, Joe! What's all this[br]Radulovich junk you're putting out? 0:28:23.800,0:28:26.598 I can't talk to you now. I have[br]to get this film back to New York. 0:28:26.680,0:28:27.954 What would you say if I told you... 0:28:28.040,0:28:30.508 ...that Murrow was[br]on the Soviet payroll in 1935? 0:28:32.600,0:28:35.558 - Uh! Charlie, you wanna...[br]- Sure. I'll set up outside. 0:28:37.600,0:28:39.158 McCarthy going[br]tot he Eisenhower dinner? 0:28:39.240,0:28:42.676 - I have no idea. Id on't keep the[br]Senator's calendar for him! - Really? 0:28:46.640,0:28:50.189 Have you ever seen any spy films?[br]You don't hand me a classified folder! 0:28:50.280,0:28:52.316 You're supposed to slip it[br]into my briefcase! 0:28:52.400,0:28:55.437 I didnt know who to give[br]this information to, Paley or Murrow. 0:28:55.520,0:28:58.956 As you can imagine, Fred and I[br]aren't very friendly. No pun intended. 0:28:59.320,0:29:00.753 No pun elocuted. 0:29:04.080,0:29:05.991 - What do you got, Donald?[br]- In short? 0:29:06.240,0:29:08.879 Murrows been a Communist[br]sympathizer since the 1930's. 0:29:08.960,0:29:12.350 Member of the International Workers,[br]sponsored educational trips to Moscow... 0:29:12.440,0:29:14.874 ...and on the Sovietpayroll[br]in 1935. It's all there. 0:29:14.960,0:29:16.757 You wanna know[br]why that's not possible? 0:29:16.840,0:29:18.273 Why you'll lose this one? 0:29:18.720,0:29:20.631 Because everyone in this country... 0:29:20.720,0:29:23.712 ...knows that Ed Murrow[br]is a loyal American, he's apatriot. 0:29:25.600,0:29:28.239 Did you know the word "gullible"[br]isn't in the dictionary? 0:29:28.320,0:29:31.198 - Can I give this to him?[br]- I'd love it! I have copies! 0:29:34.160,0:29:35.639 I think you guys go too far. 0:29:36.000,0:29:38.230 Well, if it walks like a duck,[br]talks like a duck. 0:29:44.800,0:29:46.074 Yes, Mr. Paley. 0:29:47.040,0:29:48.598 Right away.[br]Yes, sir. 0:29:50.240,0:29:51.639 No, he hasn't called. 0:29:52.880,0:29:56.555 Yes, sir, the second he calls.[br]If you're in a meeting, shall I? 0:29:57.840,0:29:59.637 Yes, sir.[br]Of course, sir. 0:30:02.280,0:30:03.315 Mr. Murrow! 0:30:04.160,0:30:05.832 Mr. Paley will see you now. 0:30:09.520,0:30:13.115 - Mr. Paley, Mr. Murrow is here.[br]- Thanks, Miss Mary. 0:30:13.680,0:30:16.353 - Hello, Ed. - Bill...[br]- Sit over here, will you? 0:30:17.160,0:30:18.195 How's Janet? 0:30:18.600,0:30:20.909 - Your son?[br]- All well, thanks. How's Babe? 0:30:21.040,0:30:24.077 She's fine. Her fundraiser[br]got rained on, so... 0:30:24.480,0:30:27.233 - Oh! That's why I never plan[br]on anything. - Really? 0:30:28.720,0:30:29.914 You'd never know. 0:30:33.640,0:30:34.868 Reading fiction? 0:30:35.480,0:30:37.277 I hope so. You tell me. 0:30:38.640,0:30:40.392 Now we know[br]how they're gonna come at us. 0:30:40.480,0:30:43.278 That's just the first shot.[br]Somebody's going to go down. 0:30:43.360,0:30:45.874 Have you checked your facts?[br]Are you on safe ground? 0:30:48.080,0:30:50.833 - Bill, it's time. Show our cards.[br]- My cards. 0:30:51.640,0:30:55.394 You lose, what happens?[br]5 guys find themselves out of work. 0:30:55.800,0:30:59.839 I'm responsible for a lot more[br]than 5 goddamn reporters. Let it go. 0:31:01.520,0:31:03.590 McCarthy will self-destruct,[br]Cohn, all of them. 0:31:03.680,0:31:06.035 You said Corporate[br]would not interfere with Editorial... 0:31:06.120,0:31:07.553 ...and that the News[br]was to be left... 0:31:07.640,0:31:09.358 We don't make the news,[br]we report the news. 0:31:09.440,0:31:12.079 He's marked as Communists. 0:31:12.160,0:31:14.116 If he goes too far,[br]the Senate will investigate him... 0:31:14.200,0:31:15.155 ...and we will report on that. 0:31:15.240,0:31:18.391 He oversteps people's civil liberties. 0:31:18.480,0:31:19.549 And you're trying him in the press? 0:31:19.640,0:31:21.551 Does he get the right[br]to face his accuser? 0:31:21.640,0:31:24.029 You've decided on this[br]and you're presenting it as fact. 0:31:24.120,0:31:26.350 - What I am doing...[br]- I write your check. 0:31:26.440,0:31:30.149 I put you in your country house,[br]and I put your son through school! 0:31:30.520,0:31:33.990 You should have told me about this[br]before it went so far down the road! 0:31:45.040,0:31:48.749 Everyone of your boys needs to be[br]clean. Do you understand? No ties. 0:31:48.960,0:31:53.351 If Aaron's mother went to a group[br]fundraiser in 1932, he's out. 0:31:53.480,0:31:57.109 Hewitt, too. Anyone in that room.[br]You make no mistake... 0:31:57.240,0:32:00.710 ...I will cut them loose. Corporate[br]won't interfere with Editorial. 0:32:00.800,0:32:04.076 But Editorial will not jeopardize[br]the hundreds of employees... 0:32:04.160,0:32:07.357 ...of the CBS.[br]Do I make myself clear? 0:32:08.600,0:32:09.828 Yes? 0:32:15.080,0:32:18.311 Fellas, our next show is gonna be[br]about Senator McCarthy. 0:32:19.360,0:32:21.078 And we'regonna go right at him. 0:32:21.680,0:32:24.353 I don't need to tell you[br]how careful we have to be. 0:32:24.440,0:32:27.477 If we are to do this, Ed and I[br]need you to be straight with us. 0:32:27.560,0:32:29.676 We need to know,[br]for the good of the piece... 0:32:29.760,0:32:33.435 ...if any of you have any connection,[br]if you subscribed to a newsletter... 0:32:33.520,0:32:35.317 ...if you attended a party,[br]anything... 0:32:35.400,0:32:38.437 ...anything that could compromise this,[br]anything at all... 0:32:38.880,0:32:41.110 ...because now would be[br]the time to tell us. 0:32:46.360,0:32:48.271 Ed, I think I should excuse myself. 0:32:49.200,0:32:50.599 Palmer, you kidding? 0:32:51.520,0:32:53.954 My ex was a...[br]I wouldn't say she was a Communist... 0:32:54.040,0:32:56.998 ...but she attended meetings.[br]It was before we were married. 0:32:57.080,0:32:59.913 I didn't even really know about it[br]until after the divorce. 0:33:00.440,0:33:03.318 But it was different then.[br]We were all on the same side. 0:33:04.760,0:33:07.593 I'm not telling you anything[br]you don't know. The thing is... 0:33:07.680,0:33:09.079 ...somebody'll find out. 0:33:10.720,0:33:12.153 They'll hurt us with it. 0:33:13.640,0:33:15.995 I should have told you sooner, Ed,[br]I'm sorry. 0:33:17.080,0:33:18.149 Fred. 0:33:21.240,0:33:23.800 If none of us had ever read[br]a "dangerous" book... 0:33:24.000,0:33:26.070 ...or had a friend[br]who was "different"... 0:33:26.160,0:33:28.720 ...or never joined an organization[br]that advocated "change"... 0:33:28.800,0:33:31.519 ...we'd all be the kindof people[br]Joe McCarthy wants. 0:33:33.400,0:33:36.870 We're gonna go with the story,[br]because the terror is in this room. 0:33:40.720,0:33:42.915 John! Jesse![br]Go through the HUAC hearings. 0:33:43.000,0:33:46.754 Eddie! Palmer! Look at who[br]did the interviews and any speeches. 0:33:47.720,0:33:49.278 Okay, fellas, here we go. 0:33:49.840,0:33:51.751 His own words,[br]that's what we need. 0:33:51.840,0:33:54.274 ...said that he wouldn't remove[br]a General from the Army... 0:33:54.360,0:33:57.238 ...who supported a Communist Major.[br]I said, "Then, General..." 0:33:57.320,0:33:59.550 "...you should be removed[br]from any command." 0:34:00.040,0:34:03.669 "Any man who says, "I will protect[br]and honor a General'..." 0:34:03.920,0:34:08.072 "...'who protects Communists', is not[br]fit to wear that uniform, General." 0:34:08.360,0:34:09.918 Ethically, we're fine. 0:34:10.080,0:34:13.675 But legally, if we air this, are we[br]leaking closed hearing testimony? 0:34:13.760,0:34:16.069 - But he chose to read it.[br]- We're not misquoting him. 0:34:16.160,0:34:19.436 - There are other reporters.[br]- If it's a legal issue, it's his. 0:34:19.520,0:34:20.839 I'll check with Campbell in Legal. 0:34:20.920,0:34:22.876 And wait till you hear[br]the bleeding hearts... 0:34:23.320,0:34:25.356 ...scream and cry about our methods... 0:34:26.520,0:34:28.476 ...of trying to drag the truth... 0:34:30.000,0:34:32.070 ...from those who know[br]or should know... 0:34:32.880,0:34:35.713 ...who covered up[br]a Fifth Amendment Communist Major. 0:34:36.560,0:34:37.879 But they say, "Oh..." 0:34:38.840,0:34:42.674 "...it's all right to uncover them,[br]but don't get rough doing it, McCarthy." 0:34:44.680,0:34:49.037 Did a Civil Liberties Union provide[br]you with an attorney at that time? 0:34:49.840,0:34:51.558 I had many offers of attorneys... 0:34:51.640,0:34:55.394 ...and from the American Civil Liberties[br]Union, too. - The question is: 0:34:55.480,0:34:58.313 ...did the Civil Liberties Union[br]supply you with an attorney? 0:34:58.400,0:35:00.868 - They did supply an attorney.[br]- The answer is yes? 0:35:01.000,0:35:01.955 The answer is yes. 0:35:02.040,0:35:04.429 You know the Civil Liberties Union[br]has been listed... 0:35:04.520,0:35:07.592 ...as a front for and doing the work[br]of the Communist Party? 0:35:08.080,0:35:09.957 Mr. Chairman, this was 1932! 0:35:11.320,0:35:12.594 I know this was in 1932. 0:35:12.680,0:35:14.750 Do you know that they since[br]have been listed... 0:35:14.840,0:35:17.274 ...as a front for and doing the work[br]of the Communist Party? 0:35:17.360,0:35:19.510 I do not know[br]that they have been listedso, sir. 0:35:19.600,0:35:21.875 - You don't know?[br]- I have heard that mentioned... 0:35:21.960,0:35:23.154 All right, Leo. Turn it off. 0:35:23.240,0:35:26.869 - I need those three cans of Stevens![br]- Has anybody read this book yet? 0:35:26.960,0:35:29.190 It would be nice[br]if this guy isn't a Commie. 0:35:29.280,0:35:31.589 - Did Millie give it to you?[br]- I wanna read the book. 0:35:31.680,0:35:33.193 - Nobody else, Joe.[br]- I hear you, boss. 0:35:33.280,0:35:35.510 I'll put it on a kinescope,[br]push through the end. 0:35:35.600,0:35:36.749 Palmer, cut it at 2:30. 0:35:36.840,0:35:39.115 I prefer it one on each end,[br]let it run through. 0:35:39.200,0:35:40.952 It'd be more powerful.[br]Cut Kennedy? 0:35:41.040,0:35:43.759 Joe, file it for me.[br]I'll see the Mundt piece later. 0:35:44.000,0:35:45.319 Are we gonna make it, Fred? 0:35:45.640,0:35:47.710 We lost the telecine,[br]but we'll make it. 0:35:51.000,0:35:52.831 Did you finish your closing piece? 0:35:53.560,0:35:54.709 It's Shakespeare. 0:35:56.520,0:35:57.794 Write your closing. 0:36:25.200,0:36:28.317 My argument was if you just show[br]the images of McCarthy... 0:36:28.400,0:36:29.879 ...it doesn't make any difference. 0:36:29.960,0:36:32.155 If you agree with him,[br]you're gonna hate the piece. 0:36:32.240,0:36:33.229 If you don't, you'll love it. 0:36:33.320,0:36:35.231 Maybe they should wait[br]till they get more footage. 0:36:35.320,0:36:36.753 I don't think[br]wec an take that chance. 0:36:36.840,0:36:39.354 We've got to hit McCarthy[br]before he comes after Ed. 0:36:41.040,0:36:44.271 The blue one. They haven't gone[br]after the AIsops or Herb Block. 0:36:44.480,0:36:47.153 Honey, the AIsops and Herb Block... 0:36:47.800,0:36:51.315 ...didn't work for the Institute[br]of International Education in 1934. 0:36:52.080,0:36:53.399 Then I guess it's time. 0:37:00.400,0:37:01.355 You worried? 0:37:04.040,0:37:05.359 I didn't think I was. 0:37:06.000,0:37:08.514 I don't know why.[br]I was in the office on Friday. 0:37:08.840,0:37:11.752 And I answered the phone,[br]it was Howard calling from London. 0:37:11.840,0:37:14.195 And he asked what was going on[br]with McCarthy. 0:37:14.400,0:37:19.394 And before I answered him, I turned[br]and looked over my shoulder... 0:37:19.720,0:37:22.473 ...tosee who was listening.[br]- And who was listening? 0:37:24.240,0:37:25.389 Chairman Mao... 0:37:31.440,0:37:32.839 I'll see you at the office. 0:37:33.760,0:37:35.318 - Hey, your ring![br]- Uh! 0:37:38.480,0:37:39.879 Name me another wife... 0:37:40.320,0:37:42.959 ...who reminds her husband[br]to take off his wedding ring... 0:37:43.040,0:37:46.112 ...before he goes to the office.[br]- Ava Gardner. 0:37:53.160,0:37:56.755 Excuse me, Mr. Friendly. Mr. Murrow,[br]Mr. Paley's on the line for you. 0:37:58.760,0:38:02.230 - Maybe he wants to reimburse us[br]for those ads. - You'd like that! 0:38:02.560,0:38:04.357 - I would like that![br]- This is Ed. 0:38:04.640,0:38:07.916 There's a Knickerbocker game tonight.[br]I've got front row seats. 0:38:08.120,0:38:09.348 Are you interested? 0:38:10.160,0:38:12.993 I'm busy bringing down[br]the network tonight, Bill. 0:38:13.280,0:38:14.235 Is that tonight? 0:38:15.880,0:38:17.108 We're covered, Bill. 0:38:18.000,0:38:19.035 All right. 0:38:20.880,0:38:25.396 - I'm with you today, Ed, and I'm[br]with you tomorrow. - Thanks, Bill. 0:38:40.520,0:38:42.715 Do you know the timing[br]on the first piece? 0:38:44.200,0:38:46.031 Can we hold all the calls, please? 0:38:46.280,0:38:48.396 Hold the calls till after the show.[br]Thank you. 0:38:48.800,0:38:50.836 - You fellas, awake down there?[br]- Okay. 0:38:51.160,0:38:53.833 - Just... what are we? 20?[br]- 30 seconds, Ed. 0:39:09.080,0:39:10.308 10 seconds. 0:39:14.440,0:39:18.831 5, 4,3, 2. 0:39:20.160,0:39:21.559 And pan, camera one. 0:39:24.680,0:39:28.389 Because a report on Senator McCarthy[br]is by definition controversial... 0:39:28.800,0:39:31.030 ...we want to say exactly[br]what we mean to say... 0:39:31.120,0:39:33.759 ...and request your permission[br]to read from a script... 0:39:33.840,0:39:36.274 ...what ever remarks Murrow[br]and Friendly may make. 0:39:36.800,0:39:40.429 If the Senator feels that we have done[br]violence to his words or pictures... 0:39:40.520,0:39:42.670 ...and desires to answer himself... 0:39:42.840,0:39:45.593 ...an opportunity will be afforded him[br]on this program. 0:39:46.000,0:39:48.468 Our working thesis tonight[br]is this quotation: 0:39:49.160,0:39:50.752 ..."If this fight[br]against Communism..." 0:39:50.840,0:39:54.037 "...has made a fight between[br]America's two great political parties..." 0:39:54.120,0:39:57.476 "...the American people know that one[br]of these parties will be destroyed..." 0:39:57.560,0:40:00.870 "...and the Republic cannot endure[br]very long as a one-party system." 0:40:01.320,0:40:02.833 We applaud that statement... 0:40:02.920,0:40:05.070 ...and we think[br]Senator McCarthy ought to. 0:40:05.280,0:40:07.510 He said it[br]17 months ago in Milwaukee. 0:40:08.520,0:40:11.751 The American people realize[br]that this cannot be made a fight... 0:40:11.880,0:40:14.394 ...between America's[br]two great political parties. 0:40:14.480,0:40:16.038 If this fight against Communism... 0:40:16.120,0:40:19.192 ...is made a fight against America's[br]two great political parties... 0:40:19.280,0:40:22.750 ...the American people know that one[br]of those parties will be destroyed... 0:40:22.840,0:40:26.116 ...and the Republic can't endure[br]very long as a one-party system. 0:40:26.920,0:40:29.434 On one thing the Senator[br]has been consistent. 0:40:29.960,0:40:33.157 Often operating as a one-man[br]committee, he has traveled far... 0:40:33.240,0:40:35.356 ...interviewed many,[br]terrorized some... 0:40:35.840,0:40:37.796 ...accused civilian[br]and military leaders... 0:40:37.880,0:40:40.235 ...of the past administration[br]of a great conspiracy... 0:40:40.320,0:40:42.231 ...to turn over the country[br]to Communism. 0:40:42.320,0:40:46.552 I was extremely shocked when I heard[br]that Secretary Stevens... 0:40:47.040,0:40:51.192 ...told 2 Army officers that they had[br]to take part in the cover up... 0:40:51.680,0:40:54.148 ...of those who promoted[br]and coddled Communists. 0:40:54.360,0:40:57.158 As I read his statement, I... 0:40:58.080,0:41:00.958 ...thought of that quotation,[br]"On what meat..." 0:41:01.680,0:41:03.750 "...does this our Caesar feed?". 0:41:03.880,0:41:04.835 The questions is: 0:41:04.920,0:41:07.832 ...did the Civil Liberties Union[br]supply you with an attorney? 0:41:07.920,0:41:10.388 - They did supply an attorney.[br]- The answer is yes? 0:41:10.480,0:41:11.435 The answer is yes. 0:41:11.520,0:41:14.159 Do you think this book[br]did considerable harm? 0:41:14.360,0:41:15.713 Its publication... 0:41:16.760,0:41:19.354 ...by an expression of the views[br]contained in it? 0:41:19.640,0:41:22.837 The sale of that book[br]was so abysmally small... 0:41:23.320,0:41:27.518 ...it was so unsuccessful,[br]that the question of its influence... 0:41:27.920,0:41:29.672 You can go back[br]to the publisher... 0:41:29.760,0:41:33.275 ...you'll see it was one of the most[br]unsuccessful books he ever put out. 0:41:33.360,0:41:35.430 He's still sorry about it,[br]just as I am. 0:41:35.720,0:41:38.792 Well, I think that's a compliment[br]to American intelligence. 0:41:39.640,0:41:40.709 I'll say that. 0:41:41.360,0:41:44.909 The Reed Harris hearing demonstrates[br]one of the Senator's techniques. 0:41:45.000,0:41:46.194 Twice he said... 0:41:46.440,0:41:50.149 ...'The American Civil Liberties Union[br]was listed as a subversive front." 0:41:50.240,0:41:53.118 The Attorney General's list does not[br]and never has listed... 0:41:53.200,0:41:55.919 ...the ACLU as subversive,[br]nor does the FBI... 0:41:56.000,0:41:58.150 ...or any other[br]federal government agency. 0:41:58.480,0:42:01.472 And the American Civil Liberties Union[br]holds in its files... 0:42:01.560,0:42:04.074 ...letters of commendation[br]from President Truman... 0:42:04.160,0:42:06.674 ...President Eisenhower,[br]and General MacArthur. 0:42:07.680,0:42:11.958 Earlier, the Senator asked, "Upon what[br]meat does this our Caesar feed?". 0:42:12.240,0:42:14.834 Had he looked three lines earlier[br]in Shakespeare's "Caesar"... 0:42:14.920,0:42:18.356 ...he would have found this line,[br]which is not altogether inappropriate. 0:42:18.440,0:42:22.558 "The fault, dear Brutus, is not[br]in our stars, but in ourselves." 0:42:23.240,0:42:25.390 No one familiar with the history[br]of this country... 0:42:25.480,0:42:28.074 ...can deny that Congressional[br]committees are useful. 0:42:28.160,0:42:30.913 It is necessary to investigate[br]before legislating... 0:42:31.000,0:42:34.436 ...but the line between investigating[br]and persecuting is a very fine one... 0:42:34.520,0:42:38.229 ...and the junior Senator from Wisconsin[br]has stepped over it repeatedly. 0:42:38.400,0:42:40.868 We must not confuse dissent[br]with disloyalty. 0:42:41.440,0:42:44.398 We must remember always[br]that accusation is not proof... 0:42:44.680,0:42:48.275 ...and that conviction depends[br]upon evidence and due process of law. 0:42:49.200,0:42:51.395 We will not walk in fear,[br]one of another. 0:42:51.480,0:42:54.233 We will not be driven by fear[br]into an age of unreason... 0:42:54.320,0:42:56.880 ...if we dig deep[br]in our history and doctrine... 0:42:57.080,0:43:00.231 ...and remember that we are not[br]descended from fearful men... 0:43:00.400,0:43:03.790 ...not from men who feared to write,[br]to associate, to speak... 0:43:03.880,0:43:07.156 ...and to defend the causes[br]that were for the moment unpopular. 0:43:07.720,0:43:10.951 This is no time for men who oppose[br]Senator McCarthy's methods... 0:43:11.040,0:43:13.508 ...to keep silent,[br]or for those who approve. 0:43:14.200,0:43:16.634 Wec an deny our heritage[br]and our history... 0:43:16.720,0:43:19.393 ...but we cannot escape[br]responsibility for the results. 0:43:19.960,0:43:22.155 We proclaim ourselves,[br]indeed as we are... 0:43:22.240,0:43:26.028 ...the defenders of freedom wherever[br]it continues to exist in the world... 0:43:26.120,0:43:29.476 ...but we cannot defend freedom abroad[br]by deserting it at home. 0:43:30.080,0:43:32.310 The actions of the junior Senator[br]from Wisconsin... 0:43:32.400,0:43:35.278 ...have caused alarm and dismay[br]amongst our allies abroad... 0:43:35.360,0:43:37.794 ...and given considerable comfort[br]to our enemies. 0:43:38.400,0:43:41.198 And whose fault is that?[br]Not really his. 0:43:41.640,0:43:43.870 He didn't create[br]this situation of fear... 0:43:44.120,0:43:46.998 ...he merely exploited it,[br]and rather successfully. 0:43:48.480,0:43:49.754 Cassius was right. 0:43:50.280,0:43:54.478 "The fault, dear Brutus, is not[br]in our stars, but in ourselves." 0:43:55.440,0:43:57.431 Good night, and good luck. 0:44:04.840,0:44:05.909 And we're out. 0:44:19.000,0:44:19.989 Nothing? 0:44:23.080,0:44:24.513 Maybe nobody watched. 0:44:29.400,0:44:31.675 - We got nothing.[br]- I don't know. - Nothing. 0:44:32.160,0:44:34.628 Should I turn the phones back on,[br]Mr. Williams? 0:44:36.080,0:44:38.355 Yes. Now would be[br]a good time for that. 0:44:39.080,0:44:41.150 Turn the phones on![br]Turn the pho... 0:44:41.880,0:44:43.438 Mr. Friendly wants the phones on. 0:44:43.520,0:44:45.192 It's the Junior Senator[br]calling collect. 0:44:45.280,0:44:48.397 Don't kid yourself. It's Reed Harris[br]thanking us for mentioning him. 0:44:48.480,0:44:51.358 I don't know whether all of you[br]have seen what I just saw... 0:44:51.440,0:44:54.034 ...but I want to associate myself[br]and this program... 0:44:54.120,0:44:55.678 ...with what Ed Murrow[br]has just said... 0:44:55.760,0:44:58.399 ...and say I have never been[br]prouder of CBS. 0:45:01.160,0:45:05.073 Senator McCarthy said today that he[br]would demand equal free television... 0:45:09.680,0:45:13.434 Stevenson had charged that the Senator[br]made demagoguery and deceit... 0:45:13.680,0:45:15.398 ...the national policy... 0:45:17.960,0:45:20.030 - Is that Hollenbeck?[br]- Congratulations! 0:45:20.120,0:45:21.109 Great show! 0:45:21.920,0:45:23.148 Feel like a Scotch? 0:45:23.720,0:45:25.711 I think everybody[br]could use a Scotch. 0:46:15.280,0:46:18.352 - It's 3:30, early editions are out.[br]- I'm not worried about that. 0:46:18.440,0:46:20.032 Of course not.[br]Shirley, honey... 0:46:20.120,0:46:22.953 ...would you go across the street[br]and get the early editions? 0:46:23.040,0:46:24.917 - All of them?[br]- Just get O'Brian! 0:46:27.440,0:46:29.271 - Hey, watch my drink![br]- Yeah. 0:47:00.320,0:47:02.072 Okay. Here we go. 0:47:02.640,0:47:05.438 - At last![br]- The Times. - The Times... 0:47:05.560,0:47:06.549 - First?[br]- Good. 0:47:07.200,0:47:08.952 - Who wrote it?[br]- Jack Gould. 0:47:09.480,0:47:10.754 Gould... 0:47:11.240,0:47:14.596 Edward R. Murrows television program[br]on Senator Joseph R. McCarthy... 0:47:14.680,0:47:18.355 ...was an exciting and provocative[br]examination of the man and his methods. 0:47:18.440,0:47:21.830 It was crusading journalism[br]of high responsibility and courage. 0:47:21.920,0:47:24.559 For TV so often plagued[br]by timidity and hesitation... 0:47:24.640,0:47:28.269 ...the program was a milestone[br]that reflected enlightened citizenship. 0:47:28.400,0:47:29.594 The program... Hold on! 0:47:29.680,0:47:32.353 The program was no less[br]an indictment of those who wish... 0:47:32.440,0:47:35.398 ...the problems posed[br]by the Senator's tactics and theatrics... 0:47:35.480,0:47:37.391 ...would just go away[br]and leave them alone. 0:47:37.480,0:47:40.313 That was Mr. Murrows[br]and television's triumph... 0:47:40.400,0:47:41.879 ...and a very great one. 0:47:45.120,0:47:46.189 Here! Here! 0:47:46.360,0:47:48.396 - He hated it.[br]- Yeah. What's his beef? 0:47:49.000,0:47:50.797 Send the New YorkTimes[br]abottle of Scotch. 0:47:50.880,0:47:52.836 I already did. How do you think[br]we got that review? 0:47:52.920,0:47:54.797 - How's the Post?[br]- Pretty good! 0:47:55.480,0:47:57.391 - What about O'Brian?[br]- Uh, the same. 0:47:58.840,0:48:01.752 - Goon, read O'Brian![br]- I don't have it. 0:48:01.840,0:48:03.239 - Got it.[br]- Oh. Here. 0:48:05.400,0:48:07.197 - There we go.[br]- Shirley, that... 0:48:10.680,0:48:14.116 We can't say we were surprised at[br]Murrows "Hate McCarthy" telecast... 0:48:14.200,0:48:17.033 ...last evening, when his explosively[br]one-sided propaganda... 0:48:17.120,0:48:20.317 ...edited with deviously clever[br]selectivity from McCarthy's march... 0:48:20.400,0:48:22.709 ...against Communism,[br]was finished last evening... 0:48:22.800,0:48:26.076 ...by equally Machiavellian coincidence[br]the following telecast... 0:48:26.160,0:48:29.038 ...featured Murrow's PM protege,[br]Hollenbeck. 0:48:29.760,0:48:32.035 In an obviously gloating mood,[br]Hollenbeck... 0:48:32.120,0:48:35.430 ...hoped viewers had witnessed[br]his patron's triumph... 0:48:35.520,0:48:36.794 ...from and for the Left. 0:48:37.920,0:48:39.069 Soon. Soon... 0:48:39.160,0:48:41.196 Shirley, it's okay.[br]Go ahead, finish it. 0:48:41.280,0:48:44.317 - No, that's it. That's it.[br]- Shirley, please, finish it. 0:48:47.360,0:48:51.831 The CBS has been in a lengthy[br]"clean house of Lefties" mood. 0:48:51.920,0:48:53.558 The worst offenders[br]on lesser levels... 0:48:53.640,0:48:55.756 ...have been quietly[br]pushed out of the company. 0:48:55.840,0:48:59.628 Don Hollenbeck, a graduate[br]of the demised pinko publication PM... 0:48:59.720,0:49:03.349 ...attacked conservative papers[br]with sly and slanted propaganda. 0:49:03.440,0:49:05.670 He then proceeded[br]through an equally... 0:49:07.440,0:49:09.158 ...tilted review of the day's events... 0:49:09.240,0:49:12.471 ...with McCarthy dominating his words,[br]actions, attitudes. 0:49:13.400,0:49:14.355 Soon. 0:49:17.040,0:49:19.838 - It's O'Brian. - He didn't get[br]the Scotch, that's all. 0:49:20.280,0:49:23.192 - Is it grammatically correct?[br]- I'll have that cigarette, Ed. 0:49:24.680,0:49:27.592 - Thanks, Shirley.[br]- Oh. - Mmh. - Thank you. 0:49:27.760,0:49:29.955 Joe... Shirley... 0:49:34.680,0:49:35.908 It doesn't matter. 0:49:40.960,0:49:42.029 To Jack Gould! 0:49:43.120,0:49:45.873 - To Jack! To Jack! To Jack Gould![br]- To Jack Gould! 0:49:45.960,0:49:46.915 I love Jack Gould! 0:49:48.800,0:49:50.279 May he rest in peace. 0:49:52.400,0:49:55.119 - Hello, Jimmy.[br]- Fred, congratulations! - Thank you. 0:49:55.880,0:49:58.155 I got such a hangover[br]to go along with the ulcer. 0:49:58.240,0:50:00.037 All the adguys on the 3rd floor[br]watched the show. 0:50:00.120,0:50:02.031 Got a good review[br]in the New York Times. Jack Gould. 0:50:02.120,0:50:03.439 We're putting out a press release... 0:50:03.520,0:50:06.273 ...saying that calls came in[br]15 to 1 in favor of the show. - Really? 0:50:06.360,0:50:08.635 - Yeah. - 15 to 1?[br]- We got calls from everywhere. 0:50:08.920,0:50:12.117 - East Coast or West Coast?[br]- Yeah. Kansas City, Cincinnati... 0:50:13.080,0:50:14.149 Mr. Paley... 0:50:15.200,0:50:17.270 - Morning, Fred.[br]- Morning, Mr. Paley. 0:50:22.120,0:50:23.155 How's your wife? 0:50:23.600,0:50:25.670 She's fine.[br]We're getting ready to move. 0:50:25.760,0:50:28.718 - Really? Where to? - Riverdale.[br]We found a nice house there. 0:50:28.800,0:50:29.755 It's nice there. 0:50:30.560,0:50:31.595 Yes, sir. 0:50:38.360,0:50:39.315 Excuse me. 0:50:39.520,0:50:43.195 Fred! McCarthy wants William Buckey[br]to do his rebuttal. 0:50:44.400,0:50:45.435 I said no. 0:50:47.160,0:50:48.149 Yes, sir. 0:50:54.280,0:50:55.235 Hey, Johnny! 0:50:55.480,0:50:57.630 - Radulovich has been reinstated.[br]- What?! 0:50:57.720,0:51:00.359 Radulovich... Guys![br]Radulovich has been reinstated. 0:51:00.440,0:51:02.237 - Jesse! Jesse![br]- Where is Ed? 0:51:02.320,0:51:04.754 - He's in the bullpen. Why?[br]What's going on? - Jess! 0:51:04.840,0:51:06.273 Got some very good news. 0:51:06.880,0:51:09.838 Special announcement[br]from the Secretary of the Air Force! 0:51:09.920,0:51:11.876 Fellas! Listen up! Everyone! 0:51:12.680,0:51:14.750 I have decided[br]that it is consistent... 0:51:14.840,0:51:17.479 ...with the interests[br]of the National Security to retain... 0:51:17.560,0:51:20.711 ...Lieutenant Radulovich[br]in the United States Air Force. Stop. 0:51:20.880,0:51:24.077 He is not, in my opinion,[br]a security risk. Fullstop. 0:51:26.600,0:51:30.070 There you go. Harold E. Talbott,[br]Secretary from the Air Force. 0:51:30.720,0:51:31.675 Great job! 0:51:31.760,0:51:33.591 - Make a copy of that for me![br]- I will do, Fred! 0:51:33.680,0:51:35.557 Back to work, guys![br]We got a lot of work to do. 0:51:35.640,0:51:36.834 This means something. 0:51:36.920,0:51:38.433 - Good news, huh?[br]- Congratulations! 0:51:38.520,0:51:42.399 - This absolutely means something.[br]- Absolutely. This is the start of... 0:51:49.120,0:51:50.075 Palmer! 0:51:53.040,0:51:54.996 The CBS lawyers wanna talk to you. 0:51:58.440,0:51:59.429 When? 0:52:00.000,0:52:01.069 Tomorrow. 0:52:01.960,0:52:05.191 I don't want you to get paranoid,[br]they're talking to everybody. 0:52:05.280,0:52:06.269 Any ideas? 0:52:07.800,0:52:09.358 Just tell them what you know. 0:52:09.440,0:52:12.034 - Now is that testimony true?[br]- No, sir, it is not. 0:52:12.120,0:52:15.192 Not at any time have I been[br]a member of the Communist Party... 0:52:15.280,0:52:17.510 ...and I have never seen[br]a Communist card. 0:52:17.600,0:52:19.830 - You've never seen a Communist card?[br]- That's right. 0:52:19.920,0:52:21.797 Have you ever attended[br]any Communist meetings? 0:52:21.880,0:52:23.438 No, sir, never. 0:52:23.520,0:52:25.670 Have you ever subscribed[br]to The Daily Worker? 0:52:25.760,0:52:29.389 No, sir. I didn't subscribe to it[br]and I wouldn't pay for it. 0:52:30.160,0:52:35.154 Uh... Now, Mrs. Markward,[br]who was working for the FBI... 0:52:35.840,0:52:39.037 ...who joined the Communist Party[br]under orders from the FBI... 0:52:39.160,0:52:42.197 ...has testified that while[br]she never met you personally... 0:52:42.400,0:52:45.472 ...at a Communist meeting[br]that your name was on the list... 0:52:45.560,0:52:47.630 ...of Communists[br]who were paying dues. 0:52:48.120,0:52:50.759 Uh... Can you shed[br]any light upon that? 0:52:51.600,0:52:54.353 No, sir. I don't even know[br]what the dues are... 0:52:54.520,0:52:57.876 ...or where they were paid.[br]- So you have never paid any money... 0:52:58.880,0:53:00.632 ...to the Communist Party. 0:53:01.360,0:53:02.998 - Is that correct?[br]- That's right. 0:53:03.160,0:53:05.196 You've never paid[br]any dues, payment... 0:53:05.280,0:53:06.872 Thank you very much, Leo! 0:53:07.760,0:53:09.512 Good work, Joe, Charlie. 0:53:10.120,0:53:11.394 Now what is the show? 0:53:11.480,0:53:14.119 Is it defending Annie Lee Moss[br]as not being a Communist? 0:53:14.200,0:53:16.668 - Or is ither Constitutional rights?[br]- Both. - The latter. 0:53:16.760,0:53:19.115 We're much better sticking out[br]the Constitutional issues. 0:53:19.200,0:53:20.838 - Agreed?[br]- The woman is not a Communist spy. 0:53:20.920,0:53:23.434 Joe McCarthy said that they have[br]a spy in the Pentagon... 0:53:23.520,0:53:25.158 ...that spy has gotten[br]into the code room... 0:53:25.240,0:53:26.912 ...and that that spy[br]is Annie Lee Moss. 0:53:27.000,0:53:29.389 I've got New York Times reports.[br]McCarthy asserts he has... 0:53:29.480,0:53:32.199 ...a new red link to Army. Quote,[br]"Senator McCarthy charged today..." 0:53:32.280,0:53:34.714 "...that the Army now employs[br]a woman in its code room..." 0:53:34.800,0:53:37.268 "...who was, and still may be,[br]an active Communist." 0:53:37.360,0:53:38.793 It's the front page[br]of the New York Times. 0:53:38.880,0:53:42.395 No sooner is he done chastising the[br]other committee members for wanting... 0:53:42.480,0:53:45.313 ...to push into the afternoon,[br]than what? Seven questions in... 0:53:45.400,0:53:46.958 ...he ducks out, leaves...[br]- Right. 0:53:47.040,0:53:49.918 - Heleaves. - It's all over[br]the headlines, all over the country. 0:53:50.000,0:53:51.513 Get me copies from any newspaper... 0:53:51.600,0:53:53.158 ...that printed anything[br]about that assertion. 0:53:53.240,0:53:56.437 That's a good idea. You should get[br]the Cincinnati Inquirer. 0:53:56.520,0:53:59.432 - Chicago. - Couple other pieces[br]I think we should include. 0:53:59.520,0:54:02.512 The fact that there's 3 Annie Lee Moss's[br]in the phone book. 0:54:02.600,0:54:05.512 There are 2 Robert Halls,[br]one's colored, one's white. 0:54:05.600,0:54:07.431 We have some footage[br]of the empty chair. 0:54:07.520,0:54:10.557 I think that says it all.[br]Just that picture of McCarthy not... 0:54:10.640,0:54:13.359 McCarthy leaving the hearing[br]after 7 questions... 0:54:13.440,0:54:15.510 ...and then we'll cut[br]to the shot of thechair. 0:54:15.600,0:54:18.160 - We gotta do something about it.[br]- All right, so... 0:54:18.240,0:54:21.949 Excuse me. Mr. Murrow![br]McCarthy wants April 6th. 0:54:25.600,0:54:26.828 Thank you, Natalie. 0:54:31.280,0:54:34.397 Fine. If Charlie shoots it, we get[br]to see it first. We should offer. 0:54:34.480,0:54:36.948 - It's a long shot.[br]- What the hell could McCarthy do? 0:54:37.040,0:54:39.429 Is he gonna debate himself?[br]We just used his words! 0:54:42.640,0:54:44.756 Johnny! Johnny! We know[br]what it's going to be. 0:54:44.840,0:54:47.718 He's going to come after me.[br]There's nothing more he can do. 0:54:47.800,0:54:50.189 He's gonna bet that[br]a Senator trumps a newsman. 0:54:51.080,0:54:52.069 He'll lose. 0:54:52.480,0:54:54.038 Not if we're playing bridge. 0:54:55.680,0:54:58.433 - I'm sorry, guys. I didn't mean[br]to interrupt. - Hey, Don. 0:54:58.520,0:55:00.590 - It's getting fun now![br]- Ed, you have aminute? 0:55:01.040,0:55:04.510 - Yes, I'll be right there.[br]- All right, boys. Playtime's over. 0:55:04.880,0:55:06.199 We have 4 days... 0:55:06.440,0:55:08.829 ...to do a 29 minute show.[br]- Yeah. - All right. 0:55:08.920,0:55:10.319 All right, go ahead.[br]Hi, Mary. 0:55:10.400,0:55:12.038 Hello, Mr. Hollenbeck.[br]Mr. Murrow... 0:55:12.120,0:55:13.872 - Could you give us a moment?[br]- Sure. 0:55:15.680,0:55:16.715 Thank you, dear. 0:55:18.400,0:55:20.994 I have to ask you something, Ed.[br]It's about O'Brian. 0:55:21.080,0:55:22.911 - O'Brian doesn'tmatter.[br]- He's killing me, Ed. 0:55:23.000,0:55:24.718 He doesn't amount to that much[br]in the newsroom. 0:55:24.800,0:55:26.153 We've got to let that guy have it. 0:55:26.240,0:55:29.391 We're not going after O'Brian. I will[br]not take on McCarthy and Hearst. 0:55:29.480,0:55:30.708 I can't defeat them both. 0:55:31.760,0:55:34.911 Just don't read the papers.[br]Or don't read O'Brian, anyway. 0:55:39.920,0:55:42.115 Okay. I guess not. 0:55:43.360,0:55:44.395 Sorry, Don. 0:55:57.920,0:55:59.717 Although Mrs. Moss[br]offered to testify... 0:55:59.800,0:56:02.792 ...Senator McCarthy suggested[br]that she was too sick. 0:56:02.880,0:56:06.429 - She agreed... - Mr. Cohn wanted[br]to know about Mrs. Moss's connection... 0:56:06.520,0:56:10.035 ...to tell the truth, the whole truth,[br]and nothing but the truth... 0:56:10.120,0:56:11.235 ...so help you God? 0:56:14.880,0:56:17.440 May we get your full name[br]for the record, please? 0:56:17.800,0:56:19.074 Annie Lee Moss. 0:56:20.160,0:56:21.752 - M-O-S-S?[br]- That's right. 0:56:22.080,0:56:25.197 Mrs. Moss, let me say for the record,[br]for your information... 0:56:25.280,0:56:27.396 ...for the information[br]of your counsel... 0:56:27.880,0:56:29.757 ...that you are not here because... 0:56:31.040,0:56:35.875 ...you are considered important[br]in the Communist apparatus. 0:56:36.000,0:56:39.356 We have the testimony that you are,[br]and have been, a Communist. 0:56:40.520,0:56:43.751 We are rather curious, however,[br]to kno whow you suddenly... 0:56:45.000,0:56:46.353 ...were shifted from... 0:56:48.200,0:56:51.112 ...a worker in a cafeteria[br]to the code room. 0:56:51.400,0:56:54.551 I am today much more interested... 0:56:55.280,0:56:58.829 ...in the handling of your case... 0:56:59.560,0:57:02.632 ...by your superiors[br]than in your own personal activities. 0:57:03.000,0:57:06.993 However, counsel will question you[br]about your own activities also. 0:57:07.320,0:57:10.278 - Mr. Chairman![br]- We will not hear from counsel. 0:57:10.840,0:57:12.751 You have been told what the rule is. 0:57:13.040,0:57:15.952 If you have anything to say,[br]say it through your client. 0:57:19.480,0:57:23.075 Chairman. Did you begin work[br]at the General Accounting Office in... 0:57:23.920,0:57:26.036 ...1945?[br]- Yes, sir. 0:57:26.880,0:57:30.953 And, prior to that time,[br]had you been a cafeteria worker? 0:57:31.040,0:57:32.314 Yes, I had. 0:57:32.600,0:57:36.752 I see. While in the Pentagon,[br]since 1950... 0:57:37.080,0:57:39.719 ...have you had any connections[br]with coded messages? 0:57:39.800,0:57:41.677 Have you ever handled[br]coded messages? 0:57:42.720,0:57:45.154 - No more than to transmit 'em.[br]- Pardon me? 0:57:45.440,0:57:47.556 No more than to transmit[br]the message. 0:57:47.640,0:57:49.915 Than to transmit them?[br]Did you transmit codes? 0:57:50.000,0:57:52.594 To receive or transmit messages[br]was all I had to do. 0:57:52.680,0:57:55.194 And I've never been[br]into a courtroom in my life. 0:57:55.720,0:57:56.948 Do you know the... 0:57:58.880,0:58:00.472 ...type of classification... 0:58:00.560,0:58:04.553 - Do you know if they were secret,[br]top secret, confidential? - No, sir. 0:58:04.800,0:58:08.031 - You wouldn't know the degree[br]of classification? - No, sir. 0:58:08.440,0:58:09.429 I see. 0:58:10.640,0:58:13.632 I'm afraid I'm going[br]to have to excuse myself, I've got... 0:58:14.760,0:58:18.639 ...a rather important appointment[br]to work on right now... 0:58:18.720,0:58:22.793 ...and I wonder if, Senator Mundt,[br]you would takeover as Chairman? 0:58:27.560,0:58:29.039 - Chairman. Uh...[br]- Cohn. 0:58:29.120,0:58:32.032 I have no further questions[br]of this witness at this time. 0:58:32.120,0:58:36.079 We have the testimony of Mrs. Markward,[br]the undercover agent for the FBI... 0:58:36.360,0:58:39.750 ...stating that Annie Lee Moss[br]was a member, a dues-paying member... 0:58:39.840,0:58:41.512 ...of the Communist Party... 0:58:41.960,0:58:44.155 ...the Northeast Club[br]of the Communist Party. 0:58:44.240,0:58:47.437 We have corroboration[br]of that testimony by another... 0:58:48.400,0:58:50.550 ...witness who was called[br]before the Committee... 0:58:50.640,0:58:52.392 ...and gave a sworn statement[br]to the effect... 0:58:52.480,0:58:55.040 ...that she also knew Mrs. Moss[br]as a member... 0:58:55.120,0:58:57.076 ...of the Northeast Club[br]of the Communist Party. 0:58:57.160,0:59:01.233 She's already lost her job. She's been[br]suspended because of this action. 0:59:01.960,0:59:05.350 I'm not defending her. If she's[br]a Communist, I want her exposed. 0:59:05.680,0:59:09.195 But to make these statements[br]as we've got corroborating evidence... 0:59:09.640,0:59:12.677 ...that she is a Communist,[br]under these circumstances... 0:59:12.760,0:59:16.230 ...I think she's entitled to have it[br]produced here in her presence... 0:59:16.400,0:59:19.551 ...and let the public know about it[br]and let her know about it. 0:59:22.840,0:59:25.991 I don't like to try people[br]by hearsay evidence. 0:59:27.320,0:59:29.959 I'd like to get the witnesses here[br]and try them... 0:59:31.600,0:59:33.238 ...by testimony, under oath. 0:59:33.520,0:59:36.956 The Chair will rule[br]that the comment of Mr. Cohn... 0:59:37.040,0:59:38.598 ...be stricken from the record. 0:59:38.840,0:59:41.274 I didnt ask that, Mr. Chairman! 0:59:41.360,0:59:43.874 ...whether we should try to produce[br]a witness in public... 0:59:43.960,0:59:47.032 ...because the FBI may have[br]her undercover and we don't want to... 0:59:47.120,0:59:51.477 You can't strike these statements[br]made by counsel here as to evidence... 0:59:51.560,0:59:55.599 ...that we're having and withholding.[br]You cannot strike that from the press... 0:59:55.680,1:00:00.595 ...nor from the public mind[br]once it's planted there. That's the... 1:00:02.440,1:00:03.714 ...evil of it! 1:00:04.000,1:00:07.072 - Well, I'd look at it...[br]- I don't think it's fair to a witness... 1:00:07.160,1:00:08.559 ...to a citizen of this country... 1:00:08.640,1:00:10.631 ...to bring them up here[br]and cross-examine them... 1:00:10.720,1:00:12.073 ...then when they get through, say... 1:00:12.160,1:00:14.993 ..."The FBI has got something on you[br]that condemns you." 1:00:15.080,1:00:17.674 - The Chair agrees...[br]- It is not sworn testimony... 1:00:17.760,1:00:21.230 ...it's convicting people[br]by rumor and hearsay and innuendo. 1:00:22.840,1:00:26.310 You will notice that neither Senator[br]McClellan or Senator Symington... 1:00:26.400,1:00:30.552 ...nor this reporter know or claim[br]that Mrs. Moss was or is a Communist. 1:00:31.160,1:00:35.440 They simply claimed that she had the[br]right to meet her accusers face to face. 1:00:49.760,1:00:53.673 One month ago tonight we presented[br]a report on Senator Joseph R. McCarthy. 1:00:54.080,1:00:55.798 We labeled it as controversial. 1:00:56.320,1:00:59.835 Most of that report consisted[br]of words and pictures of the Senator. 1:01:00.400,1:01:01.879 At that time, we said... 1:01:02.040,1:01:05.794 ..."If theSenator believes we havedone[br]violence to his words or pictures..." 1:01:05.880,1:01:08.348 "...if he desires to speak,[br]to answer himself..." 1:01:08.440,1:01:11.432 "...an opportunity would be[br]afforded him on this program." 1:01:11.720,1:01:15.269 The Senator sought the opportunity[br]after 3 weeks... 1:01:15.360,1:01:19.273 ...because he was very busy and wished[br]adequate time to prepare his reply. 1:01:19.800,1:01:20.789 We agreed. 1:01:21.280,1:01:25.273 We placed no restrictions on the manner[br]of the presentation of his reply... 1:01:25.400,1:01:28.358 ...and we suggested that we would not[br]take time to comment... 1:01:28.440,1:01:30.112 ...on this particular program. 1:01:30.640,1:01:34.428 Here now is Senator Joseph R. McCarthy,[br]junior Senator from Wisconsin. 1:01:35.800,1:01:41.875 Good evening. Mr. Edward R. Murrow,[br]Educational Director of the CBS... 1:01:42.840,1:01:45.070 ...devoted his program[br]to an attack... 1:01:45.160,1:01:48.232 ...on the work ofthe US Senate[br]Investigating Committee... 1:01:48.640,1:01:50.756 ...and on me personally[br]as its Chairman. 1:01:51.560,1:01:55.030 Now, over the past 4 years,[br]he has made repeated attacks upon me... 1:01:55.480,1:01:57.198 ...and those fighting Communists. 1:01:58.560,1:02:01.632 Of course, neither Joe McCarthy[br]nor Edward R. Murrow... 1:02:02.280,1:02:05.078 ...is of any great importance[br]as individuals. 1:02:06.120,1:02:07.553 We are only important... 1:02:07.880,1:02:11.759 ...in our relation to the great struggle[br]to preserve our American liberties. 1:02:12.200,1:02:16.716 Now ordinarily, I wouldnt take time[br]out from the important work at hand... 1:02:17.440,1:02:18.634 ...to answer Murrow. 1:02:19.120,1:02:20.599 However, in this case... 1:02:20.680,1:02:24.309 ...I feel justified in doing so[br]because Murrow is the symbol... 1:02:25.040,1:02:26.075 ...the leader... 1:02:26.360,1:02:31.275 ...and the cleverest of the jackal pack[br]which is always found at the throat... 1:02:31.680,1:02:35.559 ...of anyone who dares to expose[br]individual Communists and traitors. 1:02:36.680,1:02:38.557 And I am compelled by the fact... 1:02:38.960,1:02:41.349 ...to say to you[br]that Mr. Edward R. Murrow... 1:02:41.920,1:02:44.354 ...as far back as 20 years ago... 1:02:45.000,1:02:48.276 ...was engaged in propaganda[br]for Communist causes. 1:02:49.440,1:02:52.352 For example, the Institute[br]of International Education... 1:02:52.560,1:02:54.710 ...of which he was[br]the Acting Director... 1:02:55.280,1:02:58.113 ...was chosen to act[br]as a representative... 1:02:58.480,1:03:00.072 ...by a Soviet agency... 1:03:01.160,1:03:06.359 ...to do a job which would normally[br]be done by the Russian secret police. 1:03:07.240,1:03:10.755 Mr. Murrow, by his own admission,[br]was a member of the IWW... 1:03:10.840,1:03:13.274 ...that's the Industrial Workers[br]of the World... 1:03:13.360,1:03:16.033 ...a terrorist organization[br]cited as subversive... 1:03:16.600,1:03:18.989 ...by an Attorney General[br]of the United States. 1:03:19.160,1:03:22.357 Mr. Murrow said on this program[br]and I quote... 1:03:23.120,1:03:26.669 ..."The actions of the junior[br]Senator from Wisconsin..." 1:03:27.960,1:03:31.839 "...have given considerable comfort[br]to the enemy." 1:03:32.440,1:03:36.194 That is the language of our statute[br]of treason, rather strong language. 1:03:36.920,1:03:42.040 If I am giving comfort to our enemies,[br]I ought not to be in the Senate. 1:03:42.360,1:03:44.191 If, on the other hand,[br]Mr. Murrow... 1:03:44.640,1:03:46.631 ...is giving comfort to our enemies... 1:03:46.880,1:03:49.235 ...he ought not to be brought[br]into the homes... 1:03:49.440,1:03:52.876 ...of millions of Americans[br]by the CBS. 1:03:53.000,1:03:54.399 And I want to assure you... 1:03:55.480,1:03:58.358 ...that I will not be deterred... 1:03:59.080,1:04:04.677 ...by the attacks of the Murrows,[br]the Lattimores, the Fosters... 1:04:05.440,1:04:09.228 ...The Daily Worker[br]or the Communist Party itself. 1:04:11.320,1:04:14.312 And I make no claim to leadership. 1:04:16.520,1:04:18.033 Incomplete humility... 1:04:19.800,1:04:23.759 ...I do ask you and every American[br]who loves this country... 1:04:24.440,1:04:25.998 ...to join with me. 1:04:52.920,1:04:54.911 [Everyone talks about the weather.] 1:04:55.720,1:04:58.439 [Wherever you look[br]on America's modern farms...] 1:04:58.720,1:05:02.998 [... aluminum is on the job, helping the[br]farmer do something about the weather.] 1:05:03.840,1:05:06.957 [Aluminum for the farm[br]is one more example of how Alcoa...] 1:05:07.040,1:05:08.359 [... since 1999...] 1:05:08.680,1:05:12.355 [... has continued to pioneer[br]new uses for this vital metal.] 1:05:12.920,1:05:16.879 [New uses of aluminum that mean[br]better farms and better farming.] 1:05:17.480,1:05:20.995 The aluminum from the nation's[br]first and leading producer...] 1:05:21.560,1:05:24.870 [... Alcoa,[br]Aluminum Company of America.] 1:05:25.360,1:05:27.749 Last week, Senator McCarthy[br]appeared on this program... 1:05:27.840,1:05:30.229 ...to correct any errors[br]he might have thought we made... 1:05:30.320,1:05:31.833 ...in our report of March 9th. 1:05:31.920,1:05:35.196 Since he made no reference to any[br]statements of fact that we made... 1:05:35.280,1:05:37.919 ...we must conclude[br]that he found no errors of fact. 1:05:38.800,1:05:41.189 He proved again[br]that anyone who exposes him... 1:05:41.280,1:05:45.717 ...anyone who doesn't share his disregard[br]for decency and human dignity... 1:05:45.840,1:05:48.229 ...and the rights[br]guaranteed by the Constitution... 1:05:48.320,1:05:50.914 ...must be either a Communist[br]or a fellow traveler. 1:05:51.480,1:05:53.198 I fully expected this treatment. 1:05:53.960,1:05:57.270 The Senator added this reporter's name[br]to a long list of individuals... 1:05:57.360,1:06:00.716 ...and institutions he has accused[br]of serving the Communist cause. 1:06:01.080,1:06:02.752 His proposition is very simple: 1:06:03.080,1:06:06.436 ...anyone who criticizes or opposes[br]Senator McCarthy's methods... 1:06:06.640,1:06:07.993 ...must be a Communist. 1:06:08.680,1:06:12.275 And if that be true, there are[br]an awful lot of Communists in the USA. 1:06:12.920,1:06:16.390 For the record, let's consider briefly[br]some of the Senator's charges. 1:06:16.480,1:06:18.471 He claimed, but offered no proof... 1:06:18.560,1:06:21.757 ...that I had been a member of the[br]Industrial Workers of the World. 1:06:21.840,1:06:22.955 That is false. 1:06:23.560,1:06:27.155 I was never a member ofthe IWW,[br]never applied for membership. 1:06:28.240,1:06:30.708 The Senator charged[br]that Professor Harold Laski... 1:06:30.800,1:06:33.712 ...a British scholar and politician,[br]dedicated a book to me. 1:06:33.800,1:06:34.835 That's true. 1:06:35.120,1:06:38.430 He is dead.[br]He was a socialist, I am not. 1:06:39.440,1:06:41.078 He was a civilized individual... 1:06:41.160,1:06:44.277 ...who did not insist upon agreement[br]with his political principles... 1:06:44.360,1:06:47.079 ...as a pre-condition[br]for conversation or friendship. 1:06:47.480,1:06:49.630 I do not agree[br]with his political ideas. 1:06:50.520,1:06:52.909 I ask, as he makes clear[br]in the introduction... 1:06:53.000,1:06:56.310 ...dedicated the book to me,[br]not because of political agreement... 1:06:56.400,1:07:00.075 ...but because he held my wartime[br]broadcast from London in high regard. 1:07:00.560,1:07:02.198 And the dedication so reads. 1:07:03.720,1:07:06.075 I believed 20 years ago[br]and I believe today... 1:07:06.520,1:07:09.990 ...that mature Americans can engage[br]in conversation and controversy... 1:07:10.080,1:07:13.197 ...the clash of ideas, with Communists[br]anywhere in the world... 1:07:13.280,1:07:15.714 ...without becoming[br]contaminated or converted. 1:07:16.480,1:07:18.948 I believe that our faith,[br]our conviction... 1:07:19.320,1:07:21.709 ...our determination[br]are stronger than theirs... 1:07:22.000,1:07:26.232 ...and that we can successfully compete,[br]not only in the area of bombs... 1:07:26.680,1:07:28.432 ...but in the area of ideas. 1:07:30.600,1:07:33.160 I have worked with CBS[br]for more than 19 years. 1:07:33.520,1:07:37.115 The company has subscribed fully[br]to my integrity and responsibility... 1:07:37.200,1:07:39.509 ...as a broadcaster[br]and as a loyal American. 1:07:40.320,1:07:43.630 I require no lectures from the junior[br]Senator from Wisconsin... 1:07:43.720,1:07:46.234 ...as to the dangers[br]or terrors of Communism. 1:07:47.320,1:07:49.595 Having searched my conscience[br]and my files... 1:07:49.680,1:07:52.592 ...I cannot contend that[br]I have always been right or wise... 1:07:52.680,1:07:55.672 ...but I have attempted to pursue[br]thet ruth with diligence... 1:07:55.760,1:07:56.829 ...and to report it... 1:07:56.920,1:07:59.878 ...even though, as in this case,[br]I had been warned in advance... 1:07:59.960,1:08:03.350 ...that I would be subjected[br]to the attentions of Senator McCarthy. 1:08:04.280,1:08:08.239 We shall hope to deal with matters[br]of more vital interest next week. 1:08:09.040,1:08:10.632 Good night, and good luck. 1:08:18.040,1:08:21.669 In the last analysis, the Senator was[br]perched on the television high dive... 1:08:21.760,1:08:23.955 ...and all prepared[br]to make a resounding splash. 1:08:24.040,1:08:26.634 He jumped beautifully,[br]but he neglected to check first... 1:08:26.720,1:08:29.393 ...where he was going to land.[br]It must have been a shock... 1:08:29.480,1:08:32.836 ...to discover that Mr. Murrow[br]had drained the water out of the pool. 1:08:33.680,1:08:36.148 - Is that the Times? Gould?[br]- Yeah, it's Jack Gould. 1:08:36.240,1:08:38.231 - He's a hell of a writer.[br]- Yes, he is. 1:08:38.840,1:08:41.400 - If we can afford him![br]- Stanton's got a public opinion... 1:08:41.480,1:08:42.993 Senate's investigating McCarthy. 1:08:44.040,1:08:45.029 What? 1:08:45.160,1:08:48.630 The Army's charging that McCarthy[br]and Cohn exercised undue pressure... 1:08:48.720,1:08:51.951 ...to get preferential treatment[br]for Schine. - Who's the source? 1:08:52.040,1:08:55.919 - Got a second source? - There isn't,[br]but this is coming out in 2 hours. 1:08:56.000,1:08:59.197 - Who's heading up the investigation?[br]- It's not gonna be McCarthy! 1:08:59.280,1:09:00.998 - Really?[br]- What happened? 1:09:01.160,1:09:03.913 - Also get me the Washington Post![br]- What's going on? 1:09:04.000,1:09:05.433 It's Williams[br]for Jack Thompson. 1:09:05.520,1:09:07.238 The Senate's investigating McCarthy. 1:09:08.040,1:09:10.076 There is an added bit of comedy[br]to this whole story. 1:09:10.160,1:09:12.071 The Committee cannot convene[br]for several days... 1:09:12.160,1:09:14.799 ...because Senator McCarthy[br]has a slight case of laryngitis. 1:09:14.880,1:09:18.589 And he must recover[br]over the desert air of Arizona. 1:09:21.760,1:09:25.150 - But Stevens is going after him[br]and it looks like Joe Welch. - Yeah. 1:09:25.240,1:09:27.549 They're gonna allow each side[br]to call witnesses... 1:09:27.640,1:09:29.392 ...and be privy to other testimony. 1:09:29.680,1:09:33.389 - Fred, we still have a meeting![br]- We're gonna go to talk toThompson. 1:09:35.840,1:09:37.273 No, thanks, Jack. Bye. 1:09:38.120,1:09:40.953 Freddy, we're a hit.[br]Right up there with "Howdy Dowdy"! 1:09:42.200,1:09:44.111 Can I have[br]an outlet satellite, please? 1:09:45.880,1:09:52.228 - 74, 76,47. Thank you.[br]- Murrayville3, 1-2-7-6. 1:10:11.440,1:10:14.432 The fact of newscaster[br]Don Hollenbeck's suicide yesterday... 1:10:14.520,1:10:18.308 ...does not remove from the record[br]that peculiar history... 1:10:19.000,1:10:23.835 ...of the leftist slanting of news[br]indulged consistently by the CBS. 1:10:25.160,1:10:28.277 Hollenbeck was what most astute[br]students of CBS's strange... 1:10:28.600,1:10:30.830 ...and questionable new methods[br]considered... 1:10:30.920,1:10:36.278 ..."typical of its newscasters".[br]By Jack O'Brian. 1:12:06.640,1:12:08.596 Oh, yeah. I like it like that. 1:12:10.760,1:12:14.514 One of the best programs I ever heard[br]was called "CBS Views The Press". 1:12:15.200,1:12:17.555 A great many people liked it,[br]some didn't... 1:12:17.920,1:12:20.434 ...but noone ever called it[br]anything but honest. 1:12:20.840,1:12:24.469 It was the work of an honest reporter.[br]Don Hollenbeck. 1:12:25.400,1:12:27.675 He also worked occasionally[br]on "See It Now'. 1:12:28.360,1:12:31.079 He did the 11 p.m. News[br]over some of these stations. 1:12:31.760,1:12:34.354 He had been sick lately[br]and he died this morning. 1:12:34.920,1:12:37.388 The police said[br]it was suicide... gas. 1:12:39.040,1:12:40.268 Not much of an obit. 1:12:40.720,1:12:43.757 But, at least we got our facts[br]straight, and it was brief. 1:12:44.760,1:12:47.194 And that's all Don Hollenbeck[br]would have asked. 1:12:48.120,1:12:49.838 Good night, and good luck. 1:12:55.240,1:12:57.276 Got to be in Philadelphia[br]this morning. 1:12:58.320,1:12:59.753 What time is your train? 1:13:00.800,1:13:01.755 9:00. 1:13:03.280,1:13:05.748 - Charlie going with you?[br]- Uh-huh. 1:13:14.400,1:13:15.549 Here's a thought. 1:13:17.320,1:13:18.639 What if we're wrong? 1:13:21.200,1:13:22.394 We're not wrong. 1:13:24.040,1:13:25.678 We're not going to look back... 1:13:27.640,1:13:29.676 ...and say we protected[br]the wrong side? 1:13:32.000,1:13:37.120 Protected them from what? In the name[br]of what? What would we be preserving? 1:13:38.200,1:13:41.476 Argument could bemade,[br]'for the greater good". 1:13:43.640,1:13:46.234 Not once you give it all away.[br]It's no good then. 1:13:47.880,1:13:49.199 It's just a thought. 1:13:55.640,1:14:00.191 Senator, may we not drop this? We know[br]he belonged to the Lawyer's Guild. 1:14:00.280,1:14:02.748 And Mr. Cohn nods his head at me. 1:14:02.960,1:14:06.635 - I did you, I think, no personal[br]injury, Mr. Cohn. - No, sir. 1:14:06.720,1:14:09.234 - I meant to do you[br]no personal injury. - No. 1:14:09.400,1:14:12.358 And if I did, I beg your pardon. 1:14:12.760,1:14:17.993 Let us not assassinate this lad[br]further, Senator. You've done enough. 1:14:18.320,1:14:21.710 - Let's... let's...[br]- Have you no sense of decency, sir? 1:14:21.920,1:14:26.835 At long last, have you left[br]no sense of decency? 1:14:27.200,1:14:31.034 - I know this hurts you, Mr. Welch.[br]- Senator, I think it hurts you, too. 1:14:31.160,1:14:34.516 - I'd like to finish this.[br]- Have you some private reservation... 1:14:34.600,1:14:38.229 ...when you take the oath[br]that you will tell the whole truth... 1:14:38.600,1:14:41.637 ...that lets you be the judge[br]of what you will testify to? 1:14:41.800,1:14:45.270 The answer is there's no reservation[br]about telling the whole truth. 1:14:45.440,1:14:50.560 Thank you, sir. Then tell us[br]who delivered the documents to you! 1:14:50.640,1:14:53.552 I don't want to mean that[br]this new fashion is not chic. 1:14:53.640,1:14:57.235 - I think it's just no good for me.[br]- Uh, not for you. 1:14:57.520,1:15:00.114 Milko, anything you care to say[br]on that subject? 1:15:00.200,1:15:01.519 I think no comment. 1:15:05.000,1:15:08.231 It's got to be there. If you can't[br]find it, I cant write about it. 1:15:08.320,1:15:10.629 - Check again.[br]- Charlie said he dropped it off. 1:15:10.720,1:15:13.757 - Charlie said he dropped...[br]- Shirley, can I see you a minute? 1:15:13.960,1:15:15.518 - I got to call you back.[br]- Joe! 1:15:15.640,1:15:16.595 You, too. 1:15:26.480,1:15:27.515 Close the door. 1:15:30.640,1:15:31.675 Have a seat. 1:15:35.160,1:15:38.152 - How are you?[br]- Fine, thank you. - Swell. Yeah. 1:15:38.800,1:15:41.758 Uh, you both are aware[br]that there's a policy at CBS... 1:15:41.840,1:15:43.876 ...that no two employees[br]can be married. 1:15:46.560,1:15:49.836 I want to ask you a question,[br]but I don't want you to answer it. 1:15:49.920,1:15:51.592 I want you to consider it. 1:15:52.720,1:15:54.312 I know you two are married. 1:15:56.320,1:15:57.389 Everyone knows. 1:15:58.520,1:15:59.748 That's not my question. 1:16:00.120,1:16:03.078 In the next few weeks[br]I have to lay off a couple of people. 1:16:03.160,1:16:05.879 We're making some significant cuts[br]across the board. 1:16:07.120,1:16:08.678 I wanted you to know that... 1:16:08.880,1:16:11.713 ...because you could save[br]someone else being fired. 1:16:13.800,1:16:17.509 I'm asking you to consider[br]makng this decision a little easier. 1:16:19.760,1:16:21.352 I don't need an answer now. 1:16:22.840,1:16:24.796 Just think about it. 1:16:26.400,1:16:27.355 Good. 1:16:38.800,1:16:39.994 - Well, Joe...[br]- Well? 1:16:40.400,1:16:43.472 - Sure we'regonna miss you[br]around here. - I'll pack my things. 1:16:46.600,1:16:49.194 - I think it's for the best.[br]- We'll find out! 1:16:51.720,1:16:52.948 Mrs. Wershba... 1:16:55.720,1:16:56.835 Everybody knew. 1:17:05.520,1:17:07.397 Natalie, did he say[br]what it was about? 1:17:07.480,1:17:10.233 No. Just that he wanted to talk[br]to you in his office. 1:17:25.320,1:17:26.389 Uh-oh! 1:17:29.680,1:17:32.990 The problem isn't simply[br]that you've lost your sponsor. 1:17:33.360,1:17:35.590 With Alcoa, "See It Now"[br]still loses money. 1:17:35.680,1:17:36.999 The fee is 50,000 dollars. 1:17:37.080,1:17:39.548 Last week's episode we did[br]for less than 50,000 dollars. 1:17:39.640,1:17:41.471 Fred, you're speakng[br]beyond your competence. 1:17:41.560,1:17:43.869 We'll certainly find another sponsor. 1:17:43.960,1:17:47.509 "64,000 Dollar Question" brings in[br]over 90,000 in sponsors... 1:17:47.600,1:17:49.716 ...and it costs one-third[br]of what youdo. 1:17:49.800,1:17:52.678 Ed, I've got Tuesday night[br]programming that's number one. 1:17:52.760,1:17:56.070 People want to enjoy themselves.[br]They don't want a civics lesson. 1:17:56.160,1:17:58.958 - What do you want, Bill?[br]- I don't want to get a stomachache... 1:17:59.040,1:18:01.429 ...every time you take on[br]a controversial subject. 1:18:03.080,1:18:06.038 I'm afraid that's the price[br]you have to be willing to pay. 1:18:07.400,1:18:10.233 Let's walk very carefully[br]through these next few moments. 1:18:10.320,1:18:12.629 The content of what we're doing[br]is more important... 1:18:12.720,1:18:15.951 ...than what some guy in Cincinnati...[br]- It's what you'redoing, Ed. Not me. 1:18:16.040,1:18:17.109 Not Frank Stanton. You. 1:18:17.480,1:18:21.314 "CBS News", "See It Now"[br]all belong to you, Bill. 1:18:21.400,1:18:22.469 You wouldn't know it. 1:18:24.160,1:18:28.756 - What is it you want? Credit?[br]- I never censored a single program. 1:18:29.680,1:18:33.912 I hold on to affiliates[br]who wanted entertainment from us. 1:18:34.280,1:18:35.998 I fight to keep the license... 1:18:36.080,1:18:39.311 ...with the very same politicians[br]that you are bringing down... 1:18:39.400,1:18:44.235 ...and I never,[br]never said no to you. Never. 1:18:45.560,1:18:48.552 I would argue that we have done[br]very well by one another. 1:18:49.640,1:18:51.471 I would argue that this network... 1:18:52.680,1:18:55.592 ...is defined by what the news[br]department has accomplished. 1:18:55.680,1:18:59.559 And I would also argue that never saying[br]no is not the same as not censoring. 1:18:59.640,1:19:02.677 Really? You should teach journalism.[br]You and Mr. Friendly. 1:19:08.800,1:19:10.074 Let me ask you this: 1:19:11.720,1:19:13.438 ...why didn't you correct McCarthy... 1:19:13.520,1:19:16.432 ...when he said that Alger Hiss[br]was convicted of treason? 1:19:16.640,1:19:20.155 He was only convicted of perjury.[br]You corrected everything else. 1:19:20.800,1:19:23.872 Did you not want the appearance[br]of defending a known Communist? 1:19:23.960,1:19:26.679 I would argue that everyone censors,[br]including you. 1:19:30.520,1:19:32.158 What do you want to do, Bill? 1:19:36.000,1:19:38.833 I'm takng your program[br]from a half an hour to an hour. 1:19:38.920,1:19:42.276 And it wont be a weekly program[br]and it won't be Tuesday nights. 1:19:42.880,1:19:45.155 - When would it be?[br]- Sunday afternoons. 1:19:48.520,1:19:50.715 - How many episodes?[br]- 5. 1:19:53.360,1:19:55.191 Why don't you just fire me, Bill? 1:19:55.320,1:19:57.595 I don't think[br]it's what either of us wants. 1:20:01.880,1:20:03.199 You owe me 5 shows. 1:20:12.800,1:20:15.314 - You won't like the subject matter.[br]- Probably not. 1:20:15.480,1:20:17.550 Fred, I'll need you for a moment. 1:20:31.680,1:20:33.910 - Thank you, Mary.[br]- Goodbye, Mr. Friendly. 1:20:39.880,1:20:43.077 - He wants me to lay a few people off.[br]- I'm sure he does. 1:20:43.240,1:20:46.152 Let's do our first show[br]about the downfall of television. 1:20:49.160,1:20:52.436 - Senate's gonna vote to censure[br]McCarthy tomorrow. - Probably. 1:20:52.520,1:20:55.592 - And then what happens?[br]- He sits in the back row. - Right. 1:20:55.920,1:20:59.959 - They keep him in the Senate.[br]They don't kick him out. - No, he stays. 1:21:10.160,1:21:12.276 Well, we might as well[br]go down swinging. 1:21:16.120,1:21:18.918 Did you know the most trusted man[br]in America is Milton Berle? 1:21:19.000,1:21:20.877 See, you should have worn a dress! 1:21:22.520,1:21:25.034 - Howd does a Scotch sound?[br]- Scotch sounds good. 1:21:26.040,1:21:28.474 - Did you know Joe and Shirley[br]were married? - Sure. 1:21:28.560,1:21:30.516 - Did everyone know?[br]- Pretty much. 1:21:30.600,1:21:33.273 We are proud because[br]from the beginning of this nation... 1:21:33.720,1:21:35.119 ...man can walk upright. 1:21:37.720,1:21:39.870 No matter who he is[br]or who she is. 1:21:40.720,1:21:44.508 He can walk upright[br]and meet his friend or his enemy. 1:21:45.360,1:21:48.272 And he does not fear[br]that because that enemy... 1:21:49.200,1:21:51.270 ...may be in a position[br]of great power... 1:21:52.200,1:21:56.796 ...that he can be suddenly[br]thrown in jail... 1:21:58.280,1:22:01.636 ...to rott here without charges[br]and with no recourse to justice. 1:22:03.600,1:22:06.558 We have the Habeas Corpus Act[br]and we respect it. 1:22:07.360,1:22:10.432 I began by saying that our history[br]will be what we makeit. 1:22:11.160,1:22:12.639 If we go on as we are... 1:22:12.920,1:22:16.356 ...then history will take its revenge,[br]and retribution will not limp... 1:22:16.440,1:22:17.793 ...in catching up with us. 1:22:19.240,1:22:23.074 Just once in a while, let us exalt the[br]importance of ideas and information. 1:22:24.400,1:22:27.710 Let us dream to the extent of saying[br]that on a given Sunday night... 1:22:27.800,1:22:29.950 ...the time normally[br]occupied by Ed Sullivan... 1:22:30.040,1:22:33.669 ...is given over to a clinical survey[br]on the state of American education. 1:22:33.760,1:22:37.036 And a week or two later, the time[br]normally used by Steve Allen... 1:22:37.120,1:22:41.238 ...is devoted to a thorough-going study[br]of American policy in the Middle East. 1:22:42.160,1:22:45.550 Would the corporate image of their[br]respective sponsors be damaged? 1:22:45.840,1:22:48.912 Would the shareholders rise up[br]in their wrath and complain? 1:22:49.680,1:22:50.635 Would anything happen... 1:22:50.720,1:22:54.349 ...other than a few million people would[br]have received a little illumination... 1:22:54.440,1:22:57.557 ...on subjects that may well determine[br]the future of this country... 1:22:57.640,1:23:00.029 ...and therefore the future[br]of the corporations? 1:23:00.760,1:23:04.036 To those who say, "People wouldn't[br]look, they wouldn't be interested..." 1:23:04.120,1:23:06.998 "...they're tooc omplacent,[br]indifferent and insulated"... 1:23:07.200,1:23:10.909 ...I can only reply: There is,[br]in one reporter's opinion... 1:23:11.360,1:23:13.874 ...considerable evidence[br]against that contention. 1:23:14.880,1:23:17.758 But even if they are right,[br]what have they got to lose? 1:23:18.000,1:23:19.513 Because if they are right... 1:23:19.600,1:23:21.556 ...and this instrument[br]is good for nothing... 1:23:21.640,1:23:24.074 ...but to entertain,[br]amuse and insulate... 1:23:24.760,1:23:26.557 ...then the tube is flickering now... 1:23:26.640,1:23:29.598 ...and we will soon see[br]that the whole struggle is lost. 1:23:30.520,1:23:31.999 This instrument can teach. 1:23:32.400,1:23:34.789 It can illuminate[br]and it can even inspire. 1:23:35.440,1:23:39.353 But it can do so only to the extent[br]that humans are determined to use it... 1:23:39.440,1:23:40.793 ...towards those ends. 1:23:42.160,1:23:44.628 Otherwise,[br]it is merely wiresand lights... 1:23:45.320,1:23:46.435 ...in a box. 1:23:49.400,1:23:51.755 Good night, and good luck.