1 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:32,069 In 1935, Ed Murrow began his career with CBS. 2 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:34,432 When World War Two broke out... 3 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,193 ...his voice brought the battle of Britain home to us... 4 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,635 ...through his "This Is London" radio series. 5 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:41,999 He started with us all... 6 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,396 ...many of us here tonight, when television was in its infancy... 7 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:47,835 ...with the news documentary show, "See It Now'. 8 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:49,672 He threw stones at giants. 9 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,837 Segregation, exploitation of migrant workers... 10 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,031 ...apartheid, J. Edgar Hoover... 11 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,839 ...not the least of which, his historical fight with Senator McCarthy. 12 00:03:01,920 --> 00:03:05,390 He is the host of our enormously popular show "Person to Person"... 13 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,753 ...and tonight he is here with his son, Casey... 14 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:12,397 ...wife, Janet, and all of you who he's worked with... 15 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,678 ...inspired, lectured, and taught. 16 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:18,034 Ladies and gentlemen... 17 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:22,113 ...the Radio-Television News Directors' Association and Foundation welcomes... 18 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,350 ...Mr. Edward R. Murrow. 19 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,230 This might just do nobody any good. 20 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,675 At the end of this discourse a few people may accuse this reporter... 21 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:52,876 ...of fouling his own comfortable nest... 22 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,670 ...and your organization may be accused of having given hospitality... 23 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,035 ...to heretical and even dangerous ideas. 24 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,235 But the elaborate structure of networks... 25 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,995 ...advertising agencies, and sponsors will not be shaken or altered. 26 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,116 It is my desire, if not my duty, to try to talk to you journeymen... 27 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,590 ...with some candor about what is happening to radio andtelevision. 28 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:15,557 And if what I say is responsible... 29 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,428 ...I alone am responsible for the saying ofit. 30 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:21,670 Our history will be what we make of it. 31 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,956 And if there are any historians about 50 or 100 years from now... 32 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:27,598 ...and there should be preserved... 33 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,399 ...the kinescopes of one week of all three networks... 34 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,315 ...they will there find recorded in black and white, and in color... 35 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:36,836 ...evidence of decadence, escapism... 36 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,390 ...and insulation from the realities of the world in which we live. 37 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,549 We are currently wealthy, fat, comfortable, and complacent. 38 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,915 We have a built-in allergy to unpleasant or disturbing information. 39 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,236 Our mass media reflect this. 40 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,475 But unless we get up off our fat surpluses... 41 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,915 ...and recognize that television in the main... 42 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:01,039 ...is being used to distract, delude, amuse, and insulate us... 43 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:03,715 ...then television and those who finance it... 44 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,598 ...those who look at it and those who work at it... 45 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,388 ...may see atotally different picture too late. 46 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,512 Millie! Just the person I wanted to see! Come here! 47 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:08,990 This goes at the top of the Roy Campanella piece. 48 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:10,149 Yes! Give me a half an hour. 49 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:11,992 I may need it a little quicker than that! 50 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,072 - Can I get some coffee first? - Come on! Get me some coffee! 51 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:18,195 Morning, Johnny! 52 00:06:18,280 --> 00:06:21,272 I have some new notes that go with the Tito footage for Fred. 53 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:22,554 Fred's gonna be in in an hour. 54 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,712 I already put them on his desk. Can you just make sure that... 55 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,473 ...he doesn't look at the film until he reads the notes? 56 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:29,834 - Yes. - Thank you. 57 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:31,149 Hey, Joe! Shirley! 58 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:34,915 - What's going on in here? - What do you mean? 59 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:36,831 Two attractive people alone in the copy room! 60 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:38,148 Don't tell Paley, he'll fire me. 61 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:39,673 He'll fire both of us, Shirley. 62 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,433 - Rules are made to be broken! - You can afford to say that. 63 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:48,074 Let me see this. 64 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:55,030 - It's simply a loyalty oath. - To CBS? - And to America. 65 00:06:55,280 --> 00:06:56,713 You promise to be a loyal American? 66 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:58,870 I know. All of the reporters have signed this. 67 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:00,598 Who are you promising this to? CBS? 68 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:02,591 Fred signed it. Murrow signed it. 69 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:03,999 - Murrow signed it? - Yeah. 70 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:07,072 Are you now or have you ever been... 71 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,310 I thought it was a joke, but there's a lot of pressure. 72 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,834 ...on the Attorney General's list of subversive groups? 73 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,036 - I don't know. - Let's think about it. 74 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,556 What is it really saying? Is it a civil liberties issue or censorship? 75 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:19,870 Am I simply stating to CBS that I'm not a Communist? 76 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,190 - Murrow signed this? - And Fred and Stanton. 77 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,317 - Maybe you should talk toMurrow. - Maybe I should sign it. 78 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,113 If you don't sign this, are you and I a target? 79 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,197 If I don'tsign it, they'll fire me. 80 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:40,355 Sign it. 81 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:42,830 Finally we can tell everyone the truth. 82 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,356 If I could express it in what's in my heart now... 83 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:51,918 ...I'd do it in the terms of the poet who once said... 84 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,711 ..."Ah, 'tis but a dainty flower I bring to you." 85 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:58,636 'Yes, 'tis but a violet..." 86 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:00,993 "...glistening with dew." 87 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:05,350 "But still in its heart there lie beauties concealed." 88 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:07,992 "So in our heart..." 89 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:10,873 "...our love for you..." 90 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,308 "...lies unrevealed." 91 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:17,789 I used to... 92 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:28,510 ...pride myself on the idea that I was a bit... tough... 93 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:36,190 ...especially over the past 19-19 months, when we've been... 94 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,712 ...kicked around, and bullwhipped, and damned. 95 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:42,234 I didnt think that... 96 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,318 ...I could be... touched very deeply. 97 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,670 Okay, that's enough. That's enough, Leo. 98 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:51,716 - It's short. - Howlong is the piece? 99 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:53,472 It's 4 minutes, but we can cut it down. 100 00:08:53,560 --> 00:08:56,233 It cant stand alone, but it might be a nice companion piece. 101 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,550 Let's go through this one more time. Palmer! 102 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,837 Yep, got a call from the office of Senator Morse this morning... 103 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,912 ...interested in setting up a debate possibly with Senator Kerr... 104 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,355 ...over the comments Bentsen made on last night's show. 105 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,557 Secretary of Agriculture? Good idea! Can they do it by this week? 106 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,108 No, it would have to be 2 weeks at the earliest... 107 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,397 ...depending on Morse's schedule. But still it's a great idea. 108 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,677 Let's follow up on that. "Hoover speaks on Benjamin Franklin." 109 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,752 We're having better luck with Mr. Benjamin Frankin... 110 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:24,034 ...than with Mr. Hoover. 111 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,475 It may progress better as a "Person to Person". 112 00:09:26,560 --> 00:09:28,915 "At home with Ben Frankin. His electricity awards." 113 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:30,831 We've got the footage, we need to contact him. 114 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:34,469 See if you can contact him and get the shot. He wants to do the story. Joe! 115 00:09:34,560 --> 00:09:36,232 Member Delbert Clark? No longer with us. 116 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,754 - New York Times? - Yeah. - Our friend at the Times. 117 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,434 This was yesterday morning, they're saying it's... 118 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:45,076 - How old was he? - 53. Sudden illness. 119 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,720 - Home of a friend. - No, it's not a nobit piece. 120 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,314 Natalie send some flowers over there from us. 121 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:52,990 Couple things. Case before the Supreme Court... 122 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,834 ...involving the constitutionality of a section of the Internal Security Act... 123 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:58,797 ...provides for the deportation of any alien... 124 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,519 ...if he becomes a Communist after entering this country. 125 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:03,075 Can you take this? 126 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,628 All right. McCarthy interrupting his wedding trip... 127 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:09,076 ...to take charge of the investigation of Communist infiltration... 128 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,469 - Natalie, send some flowers. - Poor Mrs. McCarthy! 129 00:10:11,560 --> 00:10:13,596 May I finish? It's national security! 130 00:10:13,680 --> 00:10:16,353 - A real ladies' man! - Well, they're in love. 131 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:21,038 We have no show for Tuesday, fellows. So get out there and make some news. 132 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,037 Rob a bank. Mug an old lady. Do something. 133 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,314 - You look at the Secretary Stevens footage? - We will. 134 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,834 Watch it all the way to the end, it's worth it. 135 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:33,509 Thank you, John. 136 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:35,719 There's notmuch there. 137 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,196 I can't tie it to the Eisenhower in the back of the train piece. 138 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,711 - You ever spend any time in Detroit, Fred? - Not recently. 139 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:47,157 There's a story here in the Detroit News, Dexter, Michigan. 140 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:49,871 A kid named Milo Radulovich. 141 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,995 - Italian? - Irish. Air Force kicked him out because his dad... 142 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:59,517 ...reads ome Serbian newspaper. - Was he a Communist? - I don't know. 143 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:01,352 - Who brought the charges? - Air Force. 144 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,634 Charges were in a sealed envelope, nobody saw them. 145 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,871 - Not even at the hearing? - He was declared guilty without a trial... 146 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:09,632 ...and told if he wanted to keep his job... 147 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,871 ...he had to denounce his father and his sister. Thank you, Natalie. 148 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,315 - His sister? - He told them to take a hike. 149 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:20,475 Let's send Joe and Charlie down there, see if he's any good on camera. 150 00:11:20,560 --> 00:11:22,755 Is he being brought before the Committee? 151 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:24,395 No. 152 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:26,799 Then it's not McCarthy. 153 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:29,315 Isn't it? 154 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:36,639 Milo Radulovich. 155 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:42,073 What happens to your children... 156 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,958 ...your 5-year-old and your 5-month-old in terms of you? 157 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,873 If I am being judged on my relatives... 158 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:53,709 ...are my children going to be asked to denounce me? 159 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,679 Are they going to be judged on what their father was labeled? 160 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:03,150 Are they going to have to explain to their friends, etc... 161 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,470 ...why their father is a security risk? 162 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:10,871 If the thing is let stand as it, the first recommendation... 163 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:15,199 ...was sent out by the board, I see a chain reaction that... 164 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,155 ...has no end to anybody, for anybody. 165 00:12:24,560 --> 00:12:25,834 Well, that's new. 166 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:28,558 You can't call this a neutral piece. 167 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,791 The other side's been represented rather well for the last 2 years. 168 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:33,393 The Air Force hasn't gone on the record. 169 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,392 So you want to forego the standards you've stuck to for 15 years... 170 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:37,674 ...both sides, no commentary. 171 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,638 - We all editorialize. - I'm just making sure we identify what... 172 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:42,312 We're giving them the information up front... 173 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:43,913 ...and we're asking them to comment on it. 174 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:44,989 Frank, hold on. 175 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:47,312 I've searched my conscience. 176 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,552 I can't for the life of me find any justification for this. 177 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,393 I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story... 178 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:55,436 ...two equal and logical sides to an argument. 179 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,353 - Call it editorializing, if you'd like. - It is editorializing. 180 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:00,078 They'll have equal time to defend themselves. 181 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,151 Do you understand the position you're putting us in? 182 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,073 We are all in this together, if the Senate wants to investigate... 183 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:06,149 Do me a favor... 184 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:09,437 ...avoid any big speeches about how we're all in a big boat together! 185 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:10,669 Please, don't insult me. 186 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:15,159 I have to go back to Mr. Paley and Alcoa, who sponsors your show... 187 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:17,870 ...and also have some military contracts... 188 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,032 ...and I have to tell them that they're going to be in a tough bind... 189 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,076 ...because of a beef you had with Joe McCarthy. 190 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,152 - We're not going at McCarthy. - You're starting the goddamn fire. 191 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:29,471 Excuse me. Mr. Friendly, there's a Colonel Anderson to see you? 192 00:13:29,560 --> 00:13:32,916 - Colonel? - He's in your office. There are two of them. 193 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,757 Maybe they liked the transcript, and want to compliment us on it. 194 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:39,309 Excuse me. 195 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:49,799 Go after Joe Kennedy. We'll pay for it. 196 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:52,271 I've got a great story about Hoover. 197 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:58,435 You know how many shows you're going to have to do... 198 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,478 ...to make up for this? - And Judy and her daughter Liza next week. 199 00:14:01,560 --> 00:14:03,551 No, no. You're interviewing Rin Tin Tin! 200 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:09,919 I'll talk to Mr. Paley. 201 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:14,152 Alcoa wont pay for the ads. 202 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,635 And we probably wont either. But nobody'll stop you. 203 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:19,835 How much are the ads? 204 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,037 - 3,000. - I'll split it with Fred. 205 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,757 He just won't have Christmas presents for his kids this year. 206 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:33,152 - He's a Jew. - Don't tell him that, he loves Christmas. 207 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,838 - To be clear, you did speak with the lawyers? - Yes, we did. 208 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:48,071 And we read the transcript. We've not been allowed to see the footage. 209 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,072 Mack is on a plane from Dexter right now with the last interviews. 210 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:52,832 We'll be going right down to the wire. 211 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:57,391 Your show airs tomorrow. How can we possibly approve and check... 212 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:01,029 ...your story in the limited amount of time you have given us? 213 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,669 With all due respect, you have been invited to participate in this piece... 214 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:06,079 ...not to approve it. 215 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,592 We are going with the story that says that the U.S. Air Force... 216 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,114 ...tried Milo Radulovich without any evidence... 217 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,668 ...and found him guilty of being a security risk... 218 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:18,275 ...without his Constitutional rights... - You have not seen the evidence... 219 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,590 ...and are claiming he's not a security risk. 220 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:24,639 Wouldn't you guess that those who have seen the contents of that envelope... 221 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,599 ...might have a better idea of what makes someone a danger to his country? 222 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,877 - Who? Who? - Or do you think it should just be you that decides? 223 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,428 Who are the people? Are they elected? Are they appointed? 224 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,080 Do they have an axe to grind? Is it you, sir? 225 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:41,393 Or you, Colonel Jenkns? Do you know the contents of that sealed envelope? 226 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:47,673 We have been a friend and ally of both Mr. Murrow and CBS News for many years. 227 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,391 The story you are going to run tomorrow is without merit. 228 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,872 So before you take any steps that cannot be undone... 229 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,800 ...I strongly urge you to reconsider your stand. 230 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,750 These are very dangerous waters you are attempting to navigate. 231 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:13,232 We have had no hearing at all. We have had noday in court. 232 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:17,599 In all the 32 years that I have been a practicing attorney in Detroit... 233 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:22,157 ...I have never witnessed such a farce and travesty upon justice... 234 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,151 ...as this thing has developed. 235 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,113 - Now this whole theory... - Eddie, just take the first reel. 236 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,077 Tell John I left 5 seconds extra leader. 237 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,391 5 seconds! I got it! Palmer, where's Joe? Have you seen Joe? 238 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:33,708 He's on his way to the control room. 239 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:35,392 We're gonna have to do the voice-over live. 240 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,198 Natalie, I need a booth with a live mic. 241 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:38,474 Booth is there, it's already set. 242 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:40,676 We didn't have time to sync the voice-over out. 243 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:42,512 That's not what I asked for. 244 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:45,997 It's missing the voice-over on the last piece. 245 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,116 There's a commercial in the booth. What shall I do? 246 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:50,839 - 2 minutes to air! - There's not supposed to be a commercial! 247 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:52,148 Get himout of the booth! 248 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:57,676 2-and-a-half minutes on the end piece. 249 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,394 Keep it down, please. It's a little loud. 250 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:02,748 2 minutes to air, fellas. 251 00:17:04,120 --> 00:17:07,317 - He's gonna add a joke. - Charlie, loan me your lighter. 252 00:17:09,120 --> 00:17:12,317 Make sure you know that I swap with those two pieces of parents. 253 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,278 - As long as he talks fast because... - He will talk fast. 254 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:21,315 We got the film. 255 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:23,674 Will it be ready? 256 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:25,149 You bet. 257 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:32,074 Funny thing, Freddy! 258 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,671 Every time you light a cigarette for me, I know you're lying. 259 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,478 It occurs t ome we might not get away with this one. 260 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,512 Alcoa, the aluminum company of America... 261 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:03,670 - 10 seconds. - You fellas, ready? Okay. 262 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:05,148 Ready on camera 1. 263 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:15,958 5, 4,3, 2. 264 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:19,914 Pan, camera 1. 265 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:22,355 Good evening. 266 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:26,315 A few weeks ago there occurred a few obscure notices in the newspapers... 267 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,118 ...about Milo Radulovich... 268 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:30,596 ...a lieutenant in the Air Force Reserves. 269 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:34,435 And, also, something about Air Force regulation 35-62... 270 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,716 ...which states that a man may be regarded as a security risk... 271 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,917 ...if he has close and continuing association with Communists... 272 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,594 ...or people believed to have Communist sympathies. 273 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,870 Lieutenant Radulovich was asked to resign in August. He declined. 274 00:18:49,120 --> 00:18:51,236 A board was called and heard his case. 275 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:54,790 At the end it was recommended that he be severed from the Air Force... 276 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:58,156 ...although it was also stated that there was no question whatever... 277 00:18:58,240 --> 00:18:59,992 ...as to the Lieutenant's loyalty. 278 00:19:00,120 --> 00:19:02,429 We propose to examine, in so far as we can... 279 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,556 ...the case of Lieutenant Radulovich. 280 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,433 Our reporter, Joe Wershba, cameraman, Charlie Mack. 281 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,198 This is the town of Dexter, Michigan. Population 1500. 282 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,751 This statue is at the end of Ann Arbor Street erected by... 283 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:16,717 What did the General tell you yesterday? 284 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,997 - A Colonel. There were two of them. - That makes a General. 285 00:19:20,120 --> 00:19:21,439 They weren't too pleased. 286 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,157 You're gonna get audited this year. 287 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,557 Not me, you. I told them I didn't want to do the story. 288 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,314 - You always were yellow. - Better than red. 289 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:39,229 In 10 seconds. 290 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,034 This is the sister, Margaret Radulovich Fishman. 291 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,437 She neither defends nor explains her political activities. 292 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:54,236 I feel that my activities, be what they may... 293 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,153 ...or my political beliefs are my own private affair. 294 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:02,589 Are my children going to be asked to denounce me? 295 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:06,639 Are they going to be judged on what their father was labeled? 296 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:11,790 Are they going to have to explain to their friends, etc... 297 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:13,876 ...why their father is a security risk? 298 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:19,470 I see, absolutely, that this is a chain reaction. 299 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:23,958 If the thing is let stand as it, the first recommendation... 300 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:28,158 ...was sent out by the board I see a chain reaction... 301 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:31,550 ...that has no end to anybody, for anybody. 302 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,358 Perhaps you will permit me to read a few sentences... 303 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,432 ...because I would like to say rather precisely what I mean. 304 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,479 We have told the Air Force that we will provide facilities... 305 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,518 ...for any comments, criticisms, or corrections it may wish to make... 306 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:46,511 ...as to the case of Milo Radulovich. 307 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,116 We are unable to judge the charges against his father or sister... 308 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,397 ...because neither we, nor you, nor they, nor the lawyers... 309 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:58,359 ...nor the Lieutenant, know what was contained in that manila envelope. 310 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,077 Was it hearsay, rumor, gossip, slander... 311 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:06,199 ...or hard ascertainable facts that could be backed by credible witnesses? 312 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:07,669 We do not know. 313 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,631 We believe the son shall not bear the iniquity of the father. 314 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,116 Even though that iniquity be proved and in this case it was not. 315 00:21:16,120 --> 00:21:19,271 But we believe too that this case illustrates the urgent need... 316 00:21:19,360 --> 00:21:23,114 ...for the Armed Forces to communicate more fully than they have so far done... 317 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,555 ...the procedures and regulations to be followed... 318 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,949 ...in attempting to protect the national security... 319 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,679 ...and the rights of the individual at the same time. 320 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,314 Whatever happens in this area of the relationship... 321 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,436 ...between the individual and the state... 322 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,033 ...we will do it ourselves... 323 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:42,838 ...it cannot be blamed on Malenkov or Mao Tse-Tung or even our allies. 324 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,757 And, it seems to us, Fred Friendly and myself... 325 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,596 ...that this is a subject that should be argued about endlessly. 326 00:21:52,120 --> 00:21:53,917 Good night, and good luck. 327 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:01,635 And we'reout. 328 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:34,000 May I tell you something about yourself... 329 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,638 May I tellyou something about yourself... 330 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,029 ...as a member of the "Person to Person" audience? 331 00:23:38,120 --> 00:23:40,111 Based on audience research studies... 332 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,076 ...you are well above average in education and intelligence. 333 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,677 Your interests are wide, from world affairs and science... 334 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:49,592 ...to sports and show business. 335 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,997 And you have one characteristic that's rather encouraging to me... 336 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,834 ...and that's the fact that you are not easily persuaded by advertising. 337 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,279 The makers of Kent considered all these characteristics... 338 00:24:00,360 --> 00:24:02,430 ...when they chose Mr. Murrow'sprogram... 339 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:03,999 ...to tell you about Kent. 340 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:09,109 Of all leading filter cigarettes, Kent filter's best. 341 00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:12,352 If you try Kent with that in mind, I think you'll agree... 342 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,512 ...with many other thinking people who havec hanged to Kent. 343 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:20,550 They find that it makes good sense to smoke Kent and good smoking, too. 344 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,631 - Did you get the changes? - Edward Murrow, "Person to Person"... 345 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,395 ...on the CBS Television Network. - No, no. You there? Okay. We got it. 346 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:29,993 Now back to Ed Murrow. 347 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,998 Not since the silent movies and the idols they produced... 348 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,675 ...has Hollywood witnessed the sort of pilgrimage that is now going on. 349 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,675 Each day, oblivious to time, weather, and the state of the world... 350 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,515 ...sightseers head in the direction of California's San Fernando Valley. 351 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,077 For there, at the end of the tourist line, is Sherman Oaks... 352 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,357 ...and the home Liberace has built for himself and his mother. 353 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,229 This is the front and nobody knows how many people have seen that view. 354 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,957 This is the back of the house and that's Liberace's bedroom. 355 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:02,990 - Good evening, Lee. - Good evening, Ed. 356 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:07,631 - What are you doing? - I'm dictating my weekly syndicated newspaper column... 357 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:14,349 ...and on my trusty tape recorder here, I'm also dictating a book. 358 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,715 - It's an inspirational book. - Lee, what about you? 359 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,678 Have you given much thought to getting married and settling down? 360 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,274 Actually, I've given a lot of thought to it... 361 00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:26,114 ...but I don't believe in getting married just for the sake of getting married. 362 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,794 I want to someday find the perfect mate... 363 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,073 ...and settle down to what I hope will be a marriage that will be blessed... 364 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,714 ...by faith and will be a lasting union. 365 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:40,751 I was reading about lovely young Princess Margaret... 366 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,840 ...and she's lookng for her dream man, too... 367 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,311 ...and I hope she finds him someday. 368 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,235 Uh-huh. Lee, thanks very much for letting us come and visit you. 369 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:52,435 It's been very pleasant. 370 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,590 And will you say goodnight to your family for us? 371 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,318 - I certainly will. - Thanks a lot. 372 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,152 - Good night, Ed. - Good night, Lee. 373 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,199 Next week, we'll take you to Beverly Hills, California... 374 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,840 ...to the house of Mickey Rooney and his newbride. 375 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,480 Until then, good night, and good luck. 376 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:14,998 Good show, Mr. Murrow! 377 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:38,434 Excuse me, Mr. Murrow. 378 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,114 Could you take a look at this and sign it for me, please? 379 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,192 Thank you. Dr. Stanton would like to have a drink with you. 380 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,236 - When? - Now. He's at the Pentagon Bar. 381 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,436 I can't. What the hell is he doing there? 382 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,273 - I believe he's waiting for you. - Just call him! - Fine. 383 00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:53,920 - Oppenheimer next week. - It's a good show, Ed. 384 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:56,954 - Hey, Don! - Ed! 385 00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:59,313 You're getting good at this! 386 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:01,558 They're gonna think you like it! 387 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,915 Pays the bills. How are you, Don? 388 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:06,149 Ah, it's... 389 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:08,709 ...day today. 390 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,238 If she saw how good you look right now, she'd be back. 391 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,029 You tell her that if you see her, will you? 392 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,552 - I read the O'Brian piece. - Yeah, it's tough. 393 00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:23,828 I'm a pinko. I slant the news. 394 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,599 I'm just waiting for him to say my wife left me too. 395 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,678 - Nobody worth their salt reads him. - You read him. 396 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:32,792 Well, see, I rest my case. 397 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,513 - Does Paley read him? - Bill Paley's not gonna do anything. 398 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:42,629 Thanks, Ed. 399 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,071 I just came by to tell you how great the Lieutenant piece was. 400 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,232 - Thanks. - How's the fallout? - Mostly good, surprisingly. 401 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,113 Is this the start? Are you taking sides? 402 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,512 It's just a little poke with a stick, see what happens. 403 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,398 You let me know if I can help. 404 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:01,999 But you're a pinko. 405 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:05,834 I'll see you. 406 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,720 Hey, Joe! What's all this Radulovich junk you're putting out? 407 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,598 I can't talk to you now. I have to get this film back to New York. 408 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:27,954 What would you say if I told you... 409 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,508 ...that Murrow was on the Soviet payroll in 1935? 410 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,558 - Uh! Charlie, you wanna... - Sure. I'll set up outside. 411 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,158 McCarthy going tot he Eisenhower dinner? 412 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,676 - I have no idea. Id on't keep the Senator's calendar for him! - Really? 413 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,189 Have you ever seen any spy films? You don't hand me a classified folder! 414 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,316 You're supposed to slip it into my briefcase! 415 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,437 I didnt know who to give this information to, Paley or Murrow. 416 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,956 As you can imagine, Fred and I aren't very friendly. No pun intended. 417 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:00,753 No pun elocuted. 418 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:05,991 - What do you got, Donald? - In short? 419 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,879 Murrows been a Communist sympathizer since the 1930's. 420 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,350 Member of the International Workers, sponsored educational trips to Moscow... 421 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,874 ...and on the Sovietpayroll in 1935. It's all there. 422 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,757 You wanna know why that's not possible? 423 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,273 Why you'll lose this one? 424 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,631 Because everyone in this country... 425 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,712 ...knows that Ed Murrow is a loyal American, he's apatriot. 426 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,239 Did you know the word "gullible" isn't in the dictionary? 427 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,198 - Can I give this to him? - I'd love it! I have copies! 428 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:35,639 I think you guys go too far. 429 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,230 Well, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck. 430 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,074 Yes, Mr. Paley. 431 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,598 Right away. Yes, sir. 432 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:51,639 No, he hasn't called. 433 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,555 Yes, sir, the second he calls. If you're in a meeting, shall I? 434 00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,637 Yes, sir. Of course, sir. 435 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:03,315 Mr. Murrow! 436 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:05,832 Mr. Paley will see you now. 437 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,115 - Mr. Paley, Mr. Murrow is here. - Thanks, Miss Mary. 438 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,353 - Hello, Ed. - Bill... - Sit over here, will you? 439 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:18,195 How's Janet? 440 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,909 - Your son? - All well, thanks. How's Babe? 441 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,077 She's fine. Her fundraiser got rained on, so... 442 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,233 - Oh! That's why I never plan on anything. - Really? 443 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:29,914 You'd never know. 444 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:34,868 Reading fiction? 445 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,277 I hope so. You tell me. 446 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,392 Now we know how they're gonna come at us. 447 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,278 That's just the first shot. Somebody's going to go down. 448 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,874 Have you checked your facts? Are you on safe ground? 449 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,833 - Bill, it's time. Show our cards. - My cards. 450 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,394 You lose, what happens? 5 guys find themselves out of work. 451 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,839 I'm responsible for a lot more than 5 goddamn reporters. Let it go. 452 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,590 McCarthy will self-destruct, Cohn, all of them. 453 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,035 You said Corporate would not interfere with Editorial... 454 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:07,553 ...and that the News was to be left... 455 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,358 We don't make the news, we report the news. 456 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,079 He's marked as Communists. 457 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,116 If he goes too far, the Senate will investigate him... 458 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:15,155 ...and we will report on that. 459 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,391 He oversteps people's civil liberties. 460 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:19,549 And you're trying him in the press? 461 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,551 Does he get the right to face his accuser? 462 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,029 You've decided on this and you're presenting it as fact. 463 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,350 - What I am doing... - I write your check. 464 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,149 I put you in your country house, and I put your son through school! 465 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,990 You should have told me about this before it went so far down the road! 466 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,749 Everyone of your boys needs to be clean. Do you understand? No ties. 467 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:53,351 If Aaron's mother went to a group fundraiser in 1932, he's out. 468 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,109 Hewitt, too. Anyone in that room. You make no mistake... 469 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,710 ...I will cut them loose. Corporate won't interfere with Editorial. 470 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,076 But Editorial will not jeopardize the hundreds of employees... 471 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,357 ...of the CBS. Do I make myself clear? 472 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:09,828 Yes? 473 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,311 Fellas, our next show is gonna be about Senator McCarthy. 474 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,078 And we'regonna go right at him. 475 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,353 I don't need to tell you how careful we have to be. 476 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,477 If we are to do this, Ed and I need you to be straight with us. 477 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,676 We need to know, for the good of the piece... 478 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,435 ...if any of you have any connection, if you subscribed to a newsletter... 479 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,317 ...if you attended a party, anything... 480 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,437 ...anything that could compromise this, anything at all... 481 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,110 ...because now would be the time to tell us. 482 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,271 Ed, I think I should excuse myself. 483 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:50,599 Palmer, you kidding? 484 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,954 My ex was a... I wouldn't say she was a Communist... 485 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,998 ...but she attended meetings. It was before we were married. 486 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,913 I didn't even really know about it until after the divorce. 487 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,318 But it was different then. We were all on the same side. 488 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,593 I'm not telling you anything you don't know. The thing is... 489 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,079 ...somebody'll find out. 490 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,153 They'll hurt us with it. 491 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,995 I should have told you sooner, Ed, I'm sorry. 492 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:18,149 Fred. 493 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,800 If none of us had ever read a "dangerous" book... 494 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,070 ...or had a friend who was "different"... 495 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,720 ...or never joined an organization that advocated "change"... 496 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,519 ...we'd all be the kindof people Joe McCarthy wants. 497 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,870 We're gonna go with the story, because the terror is in this room. 498 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,915 John! Jesse! Go through the HUAC hearings. 499 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,754 Eddie! Palmer! Look at who did the interviews and any speeches. 500 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,278 Okay, fellas, here we go. 501 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,751 His own words, that's what we need. 502 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,274 ...said that he wouldn't remove a General from the Army... 503 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,238 ...who supported a Communist Major. I said, "Then, General..." 504 00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,550 "...you should be removed from any command." 505 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,669 "Any man who says, "I will protect and honor a General'..." 506 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:08,072 "...'who protects Communists', is not fit to wear that uniform, General." 507 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:09,918 Ethically, we're fine. 508 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,675 But legally, if we air this, are we leaking closed hearing testimony? 509 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,069 - But he chose to read it. - We're not misquoting him. 510 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,436 - There are other reporters. - If it's a legal issue, it's his. 511 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:20,839 I'll check with Campbell in Legal. 512 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,876 And wait till you hear the bleeding hearts... 513 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,356 ...scream and cry about our methods... 514 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,476 ...of trying to drag the truth... 515 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,070 ...from those who know or should know... 516 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,713 ...who covered up a Fifth Amendment Communist Major. 517 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:37,879 But they say, "Oh..." 518 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,674 "...it's all right to uncover them, but don't get rough doing it, McCarthy." 519 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:49,037 Did a Civil Liberties Union provide you with an attorney at that time? 520 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,558 I had many offers of attorneys... 521 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,394 ...and from the American Civil Liberties Union, too. - The question is: 522 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,313 ...did the Civil Liberties Union supply you with an attorney? 523 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,868 - They did supply an attorney. - The answer is yes? 524 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:01,955 The answer is yes. 525 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,429 You know the Civil Liberties Union has been listed... 526 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,592 ...as a front for and doing the work of the Communist Party? 527 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:09,957 Mr. Chairman, this was 1932! 528 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:12,594 I know this was in 1932. 529 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,750 Do you know that they since have been listed... 530 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,274 ...as a front for and doing the work of the Communist Party? 531 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,510 I do not know that they have been listedso, sir. 532 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,875 - You don't know? - I have heard that mentioned... 533 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,154 All right, Leo. Turn it off. 534 00:35:23,240 --> 00:35:26,869 - I need those three cans of Stevens! - Has anybody read this book yet? 535 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,190 It would be nice if this guy isn't a Commie. 536 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,589 - Did Millie give it to you? - I wanna read the book. 537 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,193 - Nobody else, Joe. - I hear you, boss. 538 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,510 I'll put it on a kinescope, push through the end. 539 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:36,749 Palmer, cut it at 2:30. 540 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,115 I prefer it one on each end, let it run through. 541 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:40,952 It'd be more powerful. Cut Kennedy? 542 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,759 Joe, file it for me. I'll see the Mundt piece later. 543 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,319 Are we gonna make it, Fred? 544 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,710 We lost the telecine, but we'll make it. 545 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,831 Did you finish your closing piece? 546 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:54,709 It's Shakespeare. 547 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:57,794 Write your closing. 548 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,317 My argument was if you just show the images of McCarthy... 549 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:29,879 ...it doesn't make any difference. 550 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,155 If you agree with him, you're gonna hate the piece. 551 00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:33,229 If you don't, you'll love it. 552 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,231 Maybe they should wait till they get more footage. 553 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:36,753 I don't think wec an take that chance. 554 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,354 We've got to hit McCarthy before he comes after Ed. 555 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,271 The blue one. They haven't gone after the AIsops or Herb Block. 556 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,153 Honey, the AIsops and Herb Block... 557 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,315 ...didn't work for the Institute of International Education in 1934. 558 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:53,399 Then I guess it's time. 559 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:01,355 You worried? 560 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:05,359 I didn't think I was. 561 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,514 I don't know why. I was in the office on Friday. 562 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,752 And I answered the phone, it was Howard calling from London. 563 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,195 And he asked what was going on with McCarthy. 564 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:19,394 And before I answered him, I turned and looked over my shoulder... 565 00:37:19,720 --> 00:37:22,473 ...tosee who was listening. - And who was listening? 566 00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:25,389 Chairman Mao... 567 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:32,839 I'll see you at the office. 568 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,318 - Hey, your ring! - Uh! 569 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:39,879 Name me another wife... 570 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,959 ...who reminds her husband to take off his wedding ring... 571 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,112 ...before he goes to the office. - Ava Gardner. 572 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,755 Excuse me, Mr. Friendly. Mr. Murrow, Mr. Paley's on the line for you. 573 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,230 - Maybe he wants to reimburse us for those ads. - You'd like that! 574 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,357 - I would like that! - This is Ed. 575 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,916 There's a Knickerbocker game tonight. I've got front row seats. 576 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:09,348 Are you interested? 577 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,993 I'm busy bringing down the network tonight, Bill. 578 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:14,235 Is that tonight? 579 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,108 We're covered, Bill. 580 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,035 All right. 581 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:25,396 - I'm with you today, Ed, and I'm with you tomorrow. - Thanks, Bill. 582 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,715 Do you know the timing on the first piece? 583 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,031 Can we hold all the calls, please? 584 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,396 Hold the calls till after the show. Thank you. 585 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,836 - You fellas, awake down there? - Okay. 586 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,833 - Just... what are we? 20? - 30 seconds, Ed. 587 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:10,308 10 seconds. 588 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:18,831 5, 4,3, 2. 589 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:21,559 And pan, camera one. 590 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,389 Because a report on Senator McCarthy is by definition controversial... 591 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,030 ...we want to say exactly what we mean to say... 592 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,759 ...and request your permission to read from a script... 593 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,274 ...what ever remarks Murrow and Friendly may make. 594 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,429 If the Senator feels that we have done violence to his words or pictures... 595 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,670 ...and desires to answer himself... 596 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,593 ...an opportunity will be afforded him on this program. 597 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,468 Our working thesis tonight is this quotation: 598 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:50,752 ..."If this fight against Communism..." 599 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,037 "...has made a fight between America's two great political parties..." 600 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,476 "...the American people know that one of these parties will be destroyed..." 601 00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,870 "...and the Republic cannot endure very long as a one-party system." 602 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:02,833 We applaud that statement... 603 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,070 ...and we think Senator McCarthy ought to. 604 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,510 He said it 17 months ago in Milwaukee. 605 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,751 The American people realize that this cannot be made a fight... 606 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,394 ...between America's two great political parties. 607 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,038 If this fight against Communism... 608 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,192 ...is made a fight against America's two great political parties... 609 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,750 ...the American people know that one of those parties will be destroyed... 610 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,116 ...and the Republic can't endure very long as a one-party system. 611 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,434 On one thing the Senator has been consistent. 612 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,157 Often operating as a one-man committee, he has traveled far... 613 00:40:33,240 --> 00:40:35,356 ...interviewed many, terrorized some... 614 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,796 ...accused civilian and military leaders... 615 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,235 ...of the past administration of a great conspiracy... 616 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,231 ...to turn over the country to Communism. 617 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,552 I was extremely shocked when I heard that Secretary Stevens... 618 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:51,192 ...told 2 Army officers that they had to take part in the cover up... 619 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,148 ...of those who promoted and coddled Communists. 620 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,158 As I read his statement, I... 621 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,958 ...thought of that quotation, "On what meat..." 622 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,750 "...does this our Caesar feed?". 623 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:04,835 The questions is: 624 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,832 ...did the Civil Liberties Union supply you with an attorney? 625 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,388 - They did supply an attorney. - The answer is yes? 626 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:11,435 The answer is yes. 627 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,159 Do you think this book did considerable harm? 628 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:15,713 Its publication... 629 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,354 ...by an expression of the views contained in it? 630 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,837 The sale of that book was so abysmally small... 631 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:27,518 ...it was so unsuccessful, that the question of its influence... 632 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,672 You can go back to the publisher... 633 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,275 ...you'll see it was one of the most unsuccessful books he ever put out. 634 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,430 He's still sorry about it, just as I am. 635 00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:38,792 Well, I think that's a compliment to American intelligence. 636 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:40,709 I'll say that. 637 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,909 The Reed Harris hearing demonstrates one of the Senator's techniques. 638 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,194 Twice he said... 639 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,149 ...'The American Civil Liberties Union was listed as a subversive front." 640 00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:53,118 The Attorney General's list does not and never has listed... 641 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,919 ...the ACLU as subversive, nor does the FBI... 642 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,150 ...or any other federal government agency. 643 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,472 And the American Civil Liberties Union holds in its files... 644 00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,074 ...letters of commendation from President Truman... 645 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,674 ...President Eisenhower, and General MacArthur. 646 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,958 Earlier, the Senator asked, "Upon what meat does this our Caesar feed?". 647 00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:14,834 Had he looked three lines earlier in Shakespeare's "Caesar"... 648 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,356 ...he would have found this line, which is not altogether inappropriate. 649 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:22,558 "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves." 650 00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:25,390 No one familiar with the history of this country... 651 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,074 ...can deny that Congressional committees are useful. 652 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,913 It is necessary to investigate before legislating... 653 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,436 ...but the line between investigating and persecuting is a very fine one... 654 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:38,229 ...and the junior Senator from Wisconsin has stepped over it repeatedly. 655 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,868 We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. 656 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,398 We must remember always that accusation is not proof... 657 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,275 ...and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. 658 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,395 We will not walk in fear, one of another. 659 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,233 We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason... 660 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,880 ...if we dig deep in our history and doctrine... 661 00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,231 ...and remember that we are not descended from fearful men... 662 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,790 ...not from men who feared to write, to associate, to speak... 663 00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,156 ...and to defend the causes that were for the moment unpopular. 664 00:43:07,720 --> 00:43:10,951 This is no time for men who oppose Senator McCarthy's methods... 665 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,508 ...to keep silent, or for those who approve. 666 00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,634 Wec an deny our heritage and our history... 667 00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:19,393 ...but we cannot escape responsibility for the results. 668 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,155 We proclaim ourselves, indeed as we are... 669 00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:26,028 ...the defenders of freedom wherever it continues to exist in the world... 670 00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,476 ...but we cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home. 671 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,310 The actions of the junior Senator from Wisconsin... 672 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,278 ...have caused alarm and dismay amongst our allies abroad... 673 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,794 ...and given considerable comfort to our enemies. 674 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,198 And whose fault is that? Not really his. 675 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,870 He didn't create this situation of fear... 676 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,998 ...he merely exploited it, and rather successfully. 677 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:49,754 Cassius was right. 678 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:54,478 "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves." 679 00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,431 Good night, and good luck. 680 00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:05,909 And we're out. 681 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:19,989 Nothing? 682 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:24,513 Maybe nobody watched. 683 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,675 - We got nothing. - I don't know. - Nothing. 684 00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,628 Should I turn the phones back on, Mr. Williams? 685 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,355 Yes. Now would be a good time for that. 686 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,150 Turn the phones on! Turn the pho... 687 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:43,438 Mr. Friendly wants the phones on. 688 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,192 It's the Junior Senator calling collect. 689 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,397 Don't kid yourself. It's Reed Harris thanking us for mentioning him. 690 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,358 I don't know whether all of you have seen what I just saw... 691 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,034 ...but I want to associate myself and this program... 692 00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:55,678 ...with what Ed Murrow has just said... 693 00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,399 ...and say I have never been prouder of CBS. 694 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:05,073 Senator McCarthy said today that he would demand equal free television... 695 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,434 Stevenson had charged that the Senator made demagoguery and deceit... 696 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,398 ...the national policy... 697 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,030 - Is that Hollenbeck? - Congratulations! 698 00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:21,109 Great show! 699 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:23,148 Feel like a Scotch? 700 00:45:23,720 --> 00:45:25,711 I think everybody could use a Scotch. 701 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,352 - It's 3:30, early editions are out. - I'm not worried about that. 702 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,032 Of course not. Shirley, honey... 703 00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,953 ...would you go across the street and get the early editions? 704 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:24,917 - All of them? - Just get O'Brian! 705 00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,271 - Hey, watch my drink! - Yeah. 706 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,072 Okay. Here we go. 707 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,438 - At last! - The Times. - The Times... 708 00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:06,549 - First? - Good. 709 00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:08,952 - Who wrote it? - Jack Gould. 710 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:10,754 Gould... 711 00:47:11,240 --> 00:47:14,596 Edward R. Murrows television program on Senator Joseph R. McCarthy... 712 00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:18,355 ...was an exciting and provocative examination of the man and his methods. 713 00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,830 It was crusading journalism of high responsibility and courage. 714 00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,559 For TV so often plagued by timidity and hesitation... 715 00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:28,269 ...the program was a milestone that reflected enlightened citizenship. 716 00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:29,594 The program... Hold on! 717 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,353 The program was no less an indictment of those who wish... 718 00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,398 ...the problems posed by the Senator's tactics and theatrics... 719 00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,391 ...would just go away and leave them alone. 720 00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,313 That was Mr. Murrows and television's triumph... 721 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:41,879 ...and a very great one. 722 00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:46,189 Here! Here! 723 00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,396 - He hated it. - Yeah. What's his beef? 724 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,797 Send the New YorkTimes abottle of Scotch. 725 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:52,836 I already did. How do you think we got that review? 726 00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:54,797 - How's the Post? - Pretty good! 727 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,391 - What about O'Brian? - Uh, the same. 728 00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,752 - Goon, read O'Brian! - I don't have it. 729 00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:03,239 - Got it. - Oh. Here. 730 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,197 - There we go. - Shirley, that... 731 00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:14,116 We can't say we were surprised at Murrows "Hate McCarthy" telecast... 732 00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,033 ...last evening, when his explosively one-sided propaganda... 733 00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:20,317 ...edited with deviously clever selectivity from McCarthy's march... 734 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,709 ...against Communism, was finished last evening... 735 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,076 ...by equally Machiavellian coincidence the following telecast... 736 00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,038 ...featured Murrow's PM protege, Hollenbeck. 737 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,035 In an obviously gloating mood, Hollenbeck... 738 00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,430 ...hoped viewers had witnessed his patron's triumph... 739 00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:36,794 ...from and for the Left. 740 00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:39,069 Soon. Soon... 741 00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,196 Shirley, it's okay. Go ahead, finish it. 742 00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,317 - No, that's it. That's it. - Shirley, please, finish it. 743 00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:51,831 The CBS has been in a lengthy "clean house of Lefties" mood. 744 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:53,558 The worst offenders on lesser levels... 745 00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,756 ...have been quietly pushed out of the company. 746 00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:59,628 Don Hollenbeck, a graduate of the demised pinko publication PM... 747 00:48:59,720 --> 00:49:03,349 ...attacked conservative papers with sly and slanted propaganda. 748 00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,670 He then proceeded through an equally... 749 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,158 ...tilted review of the day's events... 750 00:49:09,240 --> 00:49:12,471 ...with McCarthy dominating his words, actions, attitudes. 751 00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:14,355 Soon. 752 00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,838 - It's O'Brian. - He didn't get the Scotch, that's all. 753 00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,192 - Is it grammatically correct? - I'll have that cigarette, Ed. 754 00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,592 - Thanks, Shirley. - Oh. - Mmh. - Thank you. 755 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,955 Joe... Shirley... 756 00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:35,908 It doesn't matter. 757 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,029 To Jack Gould! 758 00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,873 - To Jack! To Jack! To Jack Gould! - To Jack Gould! 759 00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:46,915 I love Jack Gould! 760 00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:50,279 May he rest in peace. 761 00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,119 - Hello, Jimmy. - Fred, congratulations! - Thank you. 762 00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,155 I got such a hangover to go along with the ulcer. 763 00:49:58,240 --> 00:50:00,037 All the adguys on the 3rd floor watched the show. 764 00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,031 Got a good review in the New York Times. Jack Gould. 765 00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:03,439 We're putting out a press release... 766 00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,273 ...saying that calls came in 15 to 1 in favor of the show. - Really? 767 00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,635 - Yeah. - 15 to 1? - We got calls from everywhere. 768 00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,117 - East Coast or West Coast? - Yeah. Kansas City, Cincinnati... 769 00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:14,149 Mr. Paley... 770 00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,270 - Morning, Fred. - Morning, Mr. Paley. 771 00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:23,155 How's your wife? 772 00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:25,670 She's fine. We're getting ready to move. 773 00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,718 - Really? Where to? - Riverdale. We found a nice house there. 774 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:29,755 It's nice there. 775 00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:31,595 Yes, sir. 776 00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:39,315 Excuse me. 777 00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:43,195 Fred! McCarthy wants William Buckey to do his rebuttal. 778 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:45,435 I said no. 779 00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:48,149 Yes, sir. 780 00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:55,235 Hey, Johnny! 781 00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,630 - Radulovich has been reinstated. - What?! 782 00:50:57,720 --> 00:51:00,359 Radulovich... Guys! Radulovich has been reinstated. 783 00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,237 - Jesse! Jesse! - Where is Ed? 784 00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,754 - He's in the bullpen. Why? What's going on? - Jess! 785 00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:06,273 Got some very good news. 786 00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,838 Special announcement from the Secretary of the Air Force! 787 00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:11,876 Fellas! Listen up! Everyone! 788 00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,750 I have decided that it is consistent... 789 00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,479 ...with the interests of the National Security to retain... 790 00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,711 ...Lieutenant Radulovich in the United States Air Force. Stop. 791 00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,077 He is not, in my opinion, a security risk. Fullstop. 792 00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:30,070 There you go. Harold E. Talbott, Secretary from the Air Force. 793 00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:31,675 Great job! 794 00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,591 - Make a copy of that for me! - I will do, Fred! 795 00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,557 Back to work, guys! We got a lot of work to do. 796 00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:36,834 This means something. 797 00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:38,433 - Good news, huh? - Congratulations! 798 00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:42,399 - This absolutely means something. - Absolutely. This is the start of... 799 00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:50,075 Palmer! 800 00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:54,996 The CBS lawyers wanna talk to you. 801 00:51:58,440 --> 00:51:59,429 When? 802 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,069 Tomorrow. 803 00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:05,191 I don't want you to get paranoid, they're talking to everybody. 804 00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:06,269 Any ideas? 805 00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,358 Just tell them what you know. 806 00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,034 - Now is that testimony true? - No, sir, it is not. 807 00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:15,192 Not at any time have I been a member of the Communist Party... 808 00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,510 ...and I have never seen a Communist card. 809 00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,830 - You've never seen a Communist card? - That's right. 810 00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:21,797 Have you ever attended any Communist meetings? 811 00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:23,438 No, sir, never. 812 00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,670 Have you ever subscribed to The Daily Worker? 813 00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,389 No, sir. I didn't subscribe to it and I wouldn't pay for it. 814 00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:35,154 Uh... Now, Mrs. Markward, who was working for the FBI... 815 00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:39,037 ...who joined the Communist Party under orders from the FBI... 816 00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,197 ...has testified that while she never met you personally... 817 00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,472 ...at a Communist meeting that your name was on the list... 818 00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:47,630 ...of Communists who were paying dues. 819 00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,759 Uh... Can you shed any light upon that? 820 00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,353 No, sir. I don't even know what the dues are... 821 00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,876 ...or where they were paid. - So you have never paid any money... 822 00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:00,632 ...to the Communist Party. 823 00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:02,998 - Is that correct? - That's right. 824 00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,196 You've never paid any dues, payment... 825 00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:06,872 Thank you very much, Leo! 826 00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:09,512 Good work, Joe, Charlie. 827 00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:11,394 Now what is the show? 828 00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,119 Is it defending Annie Lee Moss as not being a Communist? 829 00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:16,668 - Or is ither Constitutional rights? - Both. - The latter. 830 00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,115 We're much better sticking out the Constitutional issues. 831 00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:20,838 - Agreed? - The woman is not a Communist spy. 832 00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,434 Joe McCarthy said that they have a spy in the Pentagon... 833 00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,158 ...that spy has gotten into the code room... 834 00:53:25,240 --> 00:53:26,912 ...and that that spy is Annie Lee Moss. 835 00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,389 I've got New York Times reports. McCarthy asserts he has... 836 00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,199 ...a new red link to Army. Quote, "Senator McCarthy charged today..." 837 00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,714 "...that the Army now employs a woman in its code room..." 838 00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,268 "...who was, and still may be, an active Communist." 839 00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:38,793 It's the front page of the New York Times. 840 00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,395 No sooner is he done chastising the other committee members for wanting... 841 00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,313 ...to push into the afternoon, than what? Seven questions in... 842 00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:46,958 ...he ducks out, leaves... - Right. 843 00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,918 - Heleaves. - It's all over the headlines, all over the country. 844 00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:51,513 Get me copies from any newspaper... 845 00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,158 ...that printed anything about that assertion. 846 00:53:53,240 --> 00:53:56,437 That's a good idea. You should get the Cincinnati Inquirer. 847 00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,432 - Chicago. - Couple other pieces I think we should include. 848 00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,512 The fact that there's 3 Annie Lee Moss's in the phone book. 849 00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,512 There are 2 Robert Halls, one's colored, one's white. 850 00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:07,431 We have some footage of the empty chair. 851 00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,557 I think that says it all. Just that picture of McCarthy not... 852 00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,359 McCarthy leaving the hearing after 7 questions... 853 00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,510 ...and then we'll cut to the shot of thechair. 854 00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,160 - We gotta do something about it. - All right, so... 855 00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:21,949 Excuse me. Mr. Murrow! McCarthy wants April 6th. 856 00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:26,828 Thank you, Natalie. 857 00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,397 Fine. If Charlie shoots it, we get to see it first. We should offer. 858 00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,948 - It's a long shot. - What the hell could McCarthy do? 859 00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,429 Is he gonna debate himself? We just used his words! 860 00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:44,756 Johnny! Johnny! We know what it's going to be. 861 00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,718 He's going to come after me. There's nothing more he can do. 862 00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,189 He's gonna bet that a Senator trumps a newsman. 863 00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:52,069 He'll lose. 864 00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,038 Not if we're playing bridge. 865 00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,433 - I'm sorry, guys. I didn't mean to interrupt. - Hey, Don. 866 00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:00,590 - It's getting fun now! - Ed, you have aminute? 867 00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:04,510 - Yes, I'll be right there. - All right, boys. Playtime's over. 868 00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:06,199 We have 4 days... 869 00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,829 ...to do a 29 minute show. - Yeah. - All right. 870 00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:10,319 All right, go ahead. Hi, Mary. 871 00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,038 Hello, Mr. Hollenbeck. Mr. Murrow... 872 00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:13,872 - Could you give us a moment? - Sure. 873 00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:16,715 Thank you, dear. 874 00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,994 I have to ask you something, Ed. It's about O'Brian. 875 00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:22,911 - O'Brian doesn'tmatter. - He's killing me, Ed. 876 00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:24,718 He doesn't amount to that much in the newsroom. 877 00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:26,153 We've got to let that guy have it. 878 00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:29,391 We're not going after O'Brian. I will not take on McCarthy and Hearst. 879 00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:30,708 I can't defeat them both. 880 00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,911 Just don't read the papers. Or don't read O'Brian, anyway. 881 00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,115 Okay. I guess not. 882 00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:44,395 Sorry, Don. 883 00:55:57,920 --> 00:55:59,717 Although Mrs. Moss offered to testify... 884 00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,792 ...Senator McCarthy suggested that she was too sick. 885 00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:06,429 - She agreed... - Mr. Cohn wanted to know about Mrs. Moss's connection... 886 00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:10,035 ...to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth... 887 00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:11,235 ...so help you God? 888 00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,440 May we get your full name for the record, please? 889 00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:19,074 Annie Lee Moss. 890 00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:21,752 - M-O-S-S? - That's right. 891 00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:25,197 Mrs. Moss, let me say for the record, for your information... 892 00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,396 ...for the information of your counsel... 893 00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:29,757 ...that you are not here because... 894 00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:35,875 ...you are considered important in the Communist apparatus. 895 00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,356 We have the testimony that you are, and have been, a Communist. 896 00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,751 We are rather curious, however, to kno whow you suddenly... 897 00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:46,353 ...were shifted from... 898 00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:51,112 ...a worker in a cafeteria to the code room. 899 00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,551 I am today much more interested... 900 00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:58,829 ...in the handling of your case... 901 00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,632 ...by your superiors than in your own personal activities. 902 00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,993 However, counsel will question you about your own activities also. 903 00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,278 - Mr. Chairman! - We will not hear from counsel. 904 00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:12,751 You have been told what the rule is. 905 00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,952 If you have anything to say, say it through your client. 906 00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:23,075 Chairman. Did you begin work at the General Accounting Office in... 907 00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,036 ...1945? - Yes, sir. 908 00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:30,953 And, prior to that time, had you been a cafeteria worker? 909 00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:32,314 Yes, I had. 910 00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:36,752 I see. While in the Pentagon, since 1950... 911 00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:39,719 ...have you had any connections with coded messages? 912 00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:41,677 Have you ever handled coded messages? 913 00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:45,154 - No more than to transmit 'em. - Pardon me? 914 00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,556 No more than to transmit the message. 915 00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:49,915 Than to transmit them? Did you transmit codes? 916 00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,594 To receive or transmit messages was all I had to do. 917 00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,194 And I've never been into a courtroom in my life. 918 00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:56,948 Do you know the... 919 00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:00,472 ...type of classification... 920 00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:04,553 - Do you know if they were secret, top secret, confidential? - No, sir. 921 00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:08,031 - You wouldn't know the degree of classification? - No, sir. 922 00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:09,429 I see. 923 00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,632 I'm afraid I'm going to have to excuse myself, I've got... 924 00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:18,639 ...a rather important appointment to work on right now... 925 00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:22,793 ...and I wonder if, Senator Mundt, you would takeover as Chairman? 926 00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:29,039 - Chairman. Uh... - Cohn. 927 00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:32,032 I have no further questions of this witness at this time. 928 00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:36,079 We have the testimony of Mrs. Markward, the undercover agent for the FBI... 929 00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,750 ...stating that Annie Lee Moss was a member, a dues-paying member... 930 00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:41,512 ...of the Communist Party... 931 00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,155 ...the Northeast Club of the Communist Party. 932 00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:47,437 We have corroboration of that testimony by another... 933 00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,550 ...witness who was called before the Committee... 934 00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:52,392 ...and gave a sworn statement to the effect... 935 00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:55,040 ...that she also knew Mrs. Moss as a member... 936 00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,076 ...of the Northeast Club of the Communist Party. 937 00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:01,233 She's already lost her job. She's been suspended because of this action. 938 00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:05,350 I'm not defending her. If she's a Communist, I want her exposed. 939 00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:09,195 But to make these statements as we've got corroborating evidence... 940 00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:12,677 ...that she is a Communist, under these circumstances... 941 00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:16,230 ...I think she's entitled to have it produced here in her presence... 942 00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,551 ...and let the public know about it and let her know about it. 943 00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,991 I don't like to try people by hearsay evidence. 944 00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:29,959 I'd like to get the witnesses here and try them... 945 00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,238 ...by testimony, under oath. 946 00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:36,956 The Chair will rule that the comment of Mr. Cohn... 947 00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:38,598 ...be stricken from the record. 948 00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,274 I didnt ask that, Mr. Chairman! 949 00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:43,874 ...whether we should try to produce a witness in public... 950 00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:47,032 ...because the FBI may have her undercover and we don't want to... 951 00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:51,477 You can't strike these statements made by counsel here as to evidence... 952 00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:55,599 ...that we're having and withholding. You cannot strike that from the press... 953 00:59:55,680 --> 01:00:00,595 ...nor from the public mind once it's planted there. That's the... 954 01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:03,714 ...evil of it! 955 01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,072 - Well, I'd look at it... - I don't think it's fair to a witness... 956 01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:08,559 ...to a citizen of this country... 957 01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:10,631 ...to bring them up here and cross-examine them... 958 01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:12,073 ...then when they get through, say... 959 01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:14,993 ..."The FBI has got something on you that condemns you." 960 01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,674 - The Chair agrees... - It is not sworn testimony... 961 01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:21,230 ...it's convicting people by rumor and hearsay and innuendo. 962 01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:26,310 You will notice that neither Senator McClellan or Senator Symington... 963 01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:30,552 ...nor this reporter know or claim that Mrs. Moss was or is a Communist. 964 01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:35,440 They simply claimed that she had the right to meet her accusers face to face. 965 01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:53,673 One month ago tonight we presented a report on Senator Joseph R. McCarthy. 966 01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:55,798 We labeled it as controversial. 967 01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:59,835 Most of that report consisted of words and pictures of the Senator. 968 01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:01,879 At that time, we said... 969 01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:05,794 ..."If theSenator believes we havedone violence to his words or pictures..." 970 01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,348 "...if he desires to speak, to answer himself..." 971 01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,432 "...an opportunity would be afforded him on this program." 972 01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:15,269 The Senator sought the opportunity after 3 weeks... 973 01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:19,273 ...because he was very busy and wished adequate time to prepare his reply. 974 01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:20,789 We agreed. 975 01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:25,273 We placed no restrictions on the manner of the presentation of his reply... 976 01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:28,358 ...and we suggested that we would not take time to comment... 977 01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,112 ...on this particular program. 978 01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:34,428 Here now is Senator Joseph R. McCarthy, junior Senator from Wisconsin. 979 01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:41,875 Good evening. Mr. Edward R. Murrow, Educational Director of the CBS... 980 01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:45,070 ...devoted his program to an attack... 981 01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:48,232 ...on the work ofthe US Senate Investigating Committee... 982 01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:50,756 ...and on me personally as its Chairman. 983 01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:55,030 Now, over the past 4 years, he has made repeated attacks upon me... 984 01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:57,198 ...and those fighting Communists. 985 01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:01,632 Of course, neither Joe McCarthy nor Edward R. Murrow... 986 01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:05,078 ...is of any great importance as individuals. 987 01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:07,553 We are only important... 988 01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:11,759 ...in our relation to the great struggle to preserve our American liberties. 989 01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:16,716 Now ordinarily, I wouldnt take time out from the important work at hand... 990 01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:18,634 ...to answer Murrow. 991 01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:20,599 However, in this case... 992 01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:24,309 ...I feel justified in doing so because Murrow is the symbol... 993 01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:26,075 ...the leader... 994 01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:31,275 ...and the cleverest of the jackal pack which is always found at the throat... 995 01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:35,559 ...of anyone who dares to expose individual Communists and traitors. 996 01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:38,557 And I am compelled by the fact... 997 01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,349 ...to say to you that Mr. Edward R. Murrow... 998 01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:44,354 ...as far back as 20 years ago... 999 01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:48,276 ...was engaged in propaganda for Communist causes. 1000 01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:52,352 For example, the Institute of International Education... 1001 01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:54,710 ...of which he was the Acting Director... 1002 01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:58,113 ...was chosen to act as a representative... 1003 01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:00,072 ...by a Soviet agency... 1004 01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:06,359 ...to do a job which would normally be done by the Russian secret police. 1005 01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:10,755 Mr. Murrow, by his own admission, was a member of the IWW... 1006 01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:13,274 ...that's the Industrial Workers of the World... 1007 01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:16,033 ...a terrorist organization cited as subversive... 1008 01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:18,989 ...by an Attorney General of the United States. 1009 01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:22,357 Mr. Murrow said on this program and I quote... 1010 01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:26,669 ..."The actions of the junior Senator from Wisconsin..." 1011 01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:31,839 "...have given considerable comfort to the enemy." 1012 01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:36,194 That is the language of our statute of treason, rather strong language. 1013 01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:42,040 If I am giving comfort to our enemies, I ought not to be in the Senate. 1014 01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:44,191 If, on the other hand, Mr. Murrow... 1015 01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:46,631 ...is giving comfort to our enemies... 1016 01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,235 ...he ought not to be brought into the homes... 1017 01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:52,876 ...of millions of Americans by the CBS. 1018 01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:54,399 And I want to assure you... 1019 01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:58,358 ...that I will not be deterred... 1020 01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:04,677 ...by the attacks of the Murrows, the Lattimores, the Fosters... 1021 01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:09,228 ...The Daily Worker or the Communist Party itself. 1022 01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:14,312 And I make no claim to leadership. 1023 01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:18,033 Incomplete humility... 1024 01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:23,759 ...I do ask you and every American who loves this country... 1025 01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:25,998 ...to join with me. 1026 01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:54,911 [Everyone talks about the weather.] 1027 01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:58,439 [Wherever you look on America's modern farms...] 1028 01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:02,998 [... aluminum is on the job, helping the farmer do something about the weather.] 1029 01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:06,957 [Aluminum for the farm is one more example of how Alcoa...] 1030 01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:08,359 [... since 1999...] 1031 01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:12,355 [... has continued to pioneer new uses for this vital metal.] 1032 01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:16,879 [New uses of aluminum that mean better farms and better farming.] 1033 01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:20,995 The aluminum from the nation's first and leading producer...] 1034 01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:24,870 [... Alcoa, Aluminum Company of America.] 1035 01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:27,749 Last week, Senator McCarthy appeared on this program... 1036 01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:30,229 ...to correct any errors he might have thought we made... 1037 01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:31,833 ...in our report of March 9th. 1038 01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:35,196 Since he made no reference to any statements of fact that we made... 1039 01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:37,919 ...we must conclude that he found no errors of fact. 1040 01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,189 He proved again that anyone who exposes him... 1041 01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:45,717 ...anyone who doesn't share his disregard for decency and human dignity... 1042 01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:48,229 ...and the rights guaranteed by the Constitution... 1043 01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:50,914 ...must be either a Communist or a fellow traveler. 1044 01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:53,198 I fully expected this treatment. 1045 01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:57,270 The Senator added this reporter's name to a long list of individuals... 1046 01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:00,716 ...and institutions he has accused of serving the Communist cause. 1047 01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:02,752 His proposition is very simple: 1048 01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:06,436 ...anyone who criticizes or opposes Senator McCarthy's methods... 1049 01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:07,993 ...must be a Communist. 1050 01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:12,275 And if that be true, there are an awful lot of Communists in the USA. 1051 01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:16,390 For the record, let's consider briefly some of the Senator's charges. 1052 01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:18,471 He claimed, but offered no proof... 1053 01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:21,757 ...that I had been a member of the Industrial Workers of the World. 1054 01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:22,955 That is false. 1055 01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:27,155 I was never a member ofthe IWW, never applied for membership. 1056 01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:30,708 The Senator charged that Professor Harold Laski... 1057 01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:33,712 ...a British scholar and politician, dedicated a book to me. 1058 01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:34,835 That's true. 1059 01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:38,430 He is dead. He was a socialist, I am not. 1060 01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:41,078 He was a civilized individual... 1061 01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:44,277 ...who did not insist upon agreement with his political principles... 1062 01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:47,079 ...as a pre-condition for conversation or friendship. 1063 01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:49,630 I do not agree with his political ideas. 1064 01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:52,909 I ask, as he makes clear in the introduction... 1065 01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:56,310 ...dedicated the book to me, not because of political agreement... 1066 01:06:56,400 --> 01:07:00,075 ...but because he held my wartime broadcast from London in high regard. 1067 01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:02,198 And the dedication so reads. 1068 01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:06,075 I believed 20 years ago and I believe today... 1069 01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:09,990 ...that mature Americans can engage in conversation and controversy... 1070 01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:13,197 ...the clash of ideas, with Communists anywhere in the world... 1071 01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:15,714 ...without becoming contaminated or converted. 1072 01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:18,948 I believe that our faith, our conviction... 1073 01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:21,709 ...our determination are stronger than theirs... 1074 01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:26,232 ...and that we can successfully compete, not only in the area of bombs... 1075 01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:28,432 ...but in the area of ideas. 1076 01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:33,160 I have worked with CBS for more than 19 years. 1077 01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:37,115 The company has subscribed fully to my integrity and responsibility... 1078 01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:39,509 ...as a broadcaster and as a loyal American. 1079 01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:43,630 I require no lectures from the junior Senator from Wisconsin... 1080 01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:46,234 ...as to the dangers or terrors of Communism. 1081 01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:49,595 Having searched my conscience and my files... 1082 01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:52,592 ...I cannot contend that I have always been right or wise... 1083 01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:55,672 ...but I have attempted to pursue thet ruth with diligence... 1084 01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:56,829 ...and to report it... 1085 01:07:56,920 --> 01:07:59,878 ...even though, as in this case, I had been warned in advance... 1086 01:07:59,960 --> 01:08:03,350 ...that I would be subjected to the attentions of Senator McCarthy. 1087 01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:08,239 We shall hope to deal with matters of more vital interest next week. 1088 01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:10,632 Good night, and good luck. 1089 01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:21,669 In the last analysis, the Senator was perched on the television high dive... 1090 01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:23,955 ...and all prepared to make a resounding splash. 1091 01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:26,634 He jumped beautifully, but he neglected to check first... 1092 01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:29,393 ...where he was going to land. It must have been a shock... 1093 01:08:29,480 --> 01:08:32,836 ...to discover that Mr. Murrow had drained the water out of the pool. 1094 01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:36,148 - Is that the Times? Gould? - Yeah, it's Jack Gould. 1095 01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:38,231 - He's a hell of a writer. - Yes, he is. 1096 01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:41,400 - If we can afford him! - Stanton's got a public opinion... 1097 01:08:41,480 --> 01:08:42,993 Senate's investigating McCarthy. 1098 01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:45,029 What? 1099 01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:48,630 The Army's charging that McCarthy and Cohn exercised undue pressure... 1100 01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:51,951 ...to get preferential treatment for Schine. - Who's the source? 1101 01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:55,919 - Got a second source? - There isn't, but this is coming out in 2 hours. 1102 01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:59,197 - Who's heading up the investigation? - It's not gonna be McCarthy! 1103 01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:00,998 - Really? - What happened? 1104 01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:03,913 - Also get me the Washington Post! - What's going on? 1105 01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:05,433 It's Williams for Jack Thompson. 1106 01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:07,238 The Senate's investigating McCarthy. 1107 01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:10,076 There is an added bit of comedy to this whole story. 1108 01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:12,071 The Committee cannot convene for several days... 1109 01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:14,799 ...because Senator McCarthy has a slight case of laryngitis. 1110 01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:18,589 And he must recover over the desert air of Arizona. 1111 01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:25,150 - But Stevens is going after him and it looks like Joe Welch. - Yeah. 1112 01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:27,549 They're gonna allow each side to call witnesses... 1113 01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:29,392 ...and be privy to other testimony. 1114 01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:33,389 - Fred, we still have a meeting! - We're gonna go to talk toThompson. 1115 01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:37,273 No, thanks, Jack. Bye. 1116 01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:40,953 Freddy, we're a hit. Right up there with "Howdy Dowdy"! 1117 01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:44,111 Can I have an outlet satellite, please? 1118 01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:52,228 - 74, 76,47. Thank you. - Murrayville3, 1-2-7-6. 1119 01:10:11,440 --> 01:10:14,432 The fact of newscaster Don Hollenbeck's suicide yesterday... 1120 01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:18,308 ...does not remove from the record that peculiar history... 1121 01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:23,835 ...of the leftist slanting of news indulged consistently by the CBS. 1122 01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:28,277 Hollenbeck was what most astute students of CBS's strange... 1123 01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:30,830 ...and questionable new methods considered... 1124 01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:36,278 ..."typical of its newscasters". By Jack O'Brian. 1125 01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:08,596 Oh, yeah. I like it like that. 1126 01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:14,514 One of the best programs I ever heard was called "CBS Views The Press". 1127 01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:17,555 A great many people liked it, some didn't... 1128 01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:20,434 ...but noone ever called it anything but honest. 1129 01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:24,469 It was the work of an honest reporter. Don Hollenbeck. 1130 01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:27,675 He also worked occasionally on "See It Now'. 1131 01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:31,079 He did the 11 p.m. News over some of these stations. 1132 01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:34,354 He had been sick lately and he died this morning. 1133 01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:37,388 The police said it was suicide... gas. 1134 01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:40,268 Not much of an obit. 1135 01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:43,757 But, at least we got our facts straight, and it was brief. 1136 01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:47,194 And that's all Don Hollenbeck would have asked. 1137 01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:49,838 Good night, and good luck. 1138 01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:57,276 Got to be in Philadelphia this morning. 1139 01:12:58,320 --> 01:12:59,753 What time is your train? 1140 01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:01,755 9:00. 1141 01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:05,748 - Charlie going with you? - Uh-huh. 1142 01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:15,549 Here's a thought. 1143 01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:18,639 What if we're wrong? 1144 01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:22,394 We're not wrong. 1145 01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:25,678 We're not going to look back... 1146 01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:29,676 ...and say we protected the wrong side? 1147 01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:37,120 Protected them from what? In the name of what? What would we be preserving? 1148 01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:41,476 Argument could bemade, 'for the greater good". 1149 01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:46,234 Not once you give it all away. It's no good then. 1150 01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:49,199 It's just a thought. 1151 01:13:55,640 --> 01:14:00,191 Senator, may we not drop this? We know he belonged to the Lawyer's Guild. 1152 01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:02,748 And Mr. Cohn nods his head at me. 1153 01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:06,635 - I did you, I think, no personal injury, Mr. Cohn. - No, sir. 1154 01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:09,234 - I meant to do you no personal injury. - No. 1155 01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:12,358 And if I did, I beg your pardon. 1156 01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:17,993 Let us not assassinate this lad further, Senator. You've done enough. 1157 01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:21,710 - Let's... let's... - Have you no sense of decency, sir? 1158 01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:26,835 At long last, have you left no sense of decency? 1159 01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:31,034 - I know this hurts you, Mr. Welch. - Senator, I think it hurts you, too. 1160 01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:34,516 - I'd like to finish this. - Have you some private reservation... 1161 01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:38,229 ...when you take the oath that you will tell the whole truth... 1162 01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:41,637 ...that lets you be the judge of what you will testify to? 1163 01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:45,270 The answer is there's no reservation about telling the whole truth. 1164 01:14:45,440 --> 01:14:50,560 Thank you, sir. Then tell us who delivered the documents to you! 1165 01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:53,552 I don't want to mean that this new fashion is not chic. 1166 01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:57,235 - I think it's just no good for me. - Uh, not for you. 1167 01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:00,114 Milko, anything you care to say on that subject? 1168 01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:01,519 I think no comment. 1169 01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:08,231 It's got to be there. If you can't find it, I cant write about it. 1170 01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:10,629 - Check again. - Charlie said he dropped it off. 1171 01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:13,757 - Charlie said he dropped... - Shirley, can I see you a minute? 1172 01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:15,518 - I got to call you back. - Joe! 1173 01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:16,595 You, too. 1174 01:15:26,480 --> 01:15:27,515 Close the door. 1175 01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:31,675 Have a seat. 1176 01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:38,152 - How are you? - Fine, thank you. - Swell. Yeah. 1177 01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:41,758 Uh, you both are aware that there's a policy at CBS... 1178 01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:43,876 ...that no two employees can be married. 1179 01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:49,836 I want to ask you a question, but I don't want you to answer it. 1180 01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:51,592 I want you to consider it. 1181 01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:54,312 I know you two are married. 1182 01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:57,389 Everyone knows. 1183 01:15:58,520 --> 01:15:59,748 That's not my question. 1184 01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:03,078 In the next few weeks I have to lay off a couple of people. 1185 01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:05,879 We're making some significant cuts across the board. 1186 01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:08,678 I wanted you to know that... 1187 01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:11,713 ...because you could save someone else being fired. 1188 01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:17,509 I'm asking you to consider makng this decision a little easier. 1189 01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:21,352 I don't need an answer now. 1190 01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:24,796 Just think about it. 1191 01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:27,355 Good. 1192 01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:39,994 - Well, Joe... - Well? 1193 01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:43,472 - Sure we'regonna miss you around here. - I'll pack my things. 1194 01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:49,194 - I think it's for the best. - We'll find out! 1195 01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:52,948 Mrs. Wershba... 1196 01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:56,835 Everybody knew. 1197 01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:07,397 Natalie, did he say what it was about? 1198 01:17:07,480 --> 01:17:10,233 No. Just that he wanted to talk to you in his office. 1199 01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:26,389 Uh-oh! 1200 01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:32,990 The problem isn't simply that you've lost your sponsor. 1201 01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:35,590 With Alcoa, "See It Now" still loses money. 1202 01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:36,999 The fee is 50,000 dollars. 1203 01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:39,548 Last week's episode we did for less than 50,000 dollars. 1204 01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:41,471 Fred, you're speakng beyond your competence. 1205 01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:43,869 We'll certainly find another sponsor. 1206 01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:47,509 "64,000 Dollar Question" brings in over 90,000 in sponsors... 1207 01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:49,716 ...and it costs one-third of what youdo. 1208 01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:52,678 Ed, I've got Tuesday night programming that's number one. 1209 01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:56,070 People want to enjoy themselves. They don't want a civics lesson. 1210 01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:58,958 - What do you want, Bill? - I don't want to get a stomachache... 1211 01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:01,429 ...every time you take on a controversial subject. 1212 01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:06,038 I'm afraid that's the price you have to be willing to pay. 1213 01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:10,233 Let's walk very carefully through these next few moments. 1214 01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:12,629 The content of what we're doing is more important... 1215 01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:15,951 ...than what some guy in Cincinnati... - It's what you'redoing, Ed. Not me. 1216 01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:17,109 Not Frank Stanton. You. 1217 01:18:17,480 --> 01:18:21,314 "CBS News", "See It Now" all belong to you, Bill. 1218 01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:22,469 You wouldn't know it. 1219 01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:28,756 - What is it you want? Credit? - I never censored a single program. 1220 01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:33,912 I hold on to affiliates who wanted entertainment from us. 1221 01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:35,998 I fight to keep the license... 1222 01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:39,311 ...with the very same politicians that you are bringing down... 1223 01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:44,235 ...and I never, never said no to you. Never. 1224 01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:48,552 I would argue that we have done very well by one another. 1225 01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:51,471 I would argue that this network... 1226 01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:55,592 ...is defined by what the news department has accomplished. 1227 01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:59,559 And I would also argue that never saying no is not the same as not censoring. 1228 01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:02,677 Really? You should teach journalism. You and Mr. Friendly. 1229 01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:10,074 Let me ask you this: 1230 01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:13,438 ...why didn't you correct McCarthy... 1231 01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:16,432 ...when he said that Alger Hiss was convicted of treason? 1232 01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:20,155 He was only convicted of perjury. You corrected everything else. 1233 01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,872 Did you not want the appearance of defending a known Communist? 1234 01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:26,679 I would argue that everyone censors, including you. 1235 01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:32,158 What do you want to do, Bill? 1236 01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:38,833 I'm takng your program from a half an hour to an hour. 1237 01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:42,276 And it wont be a weekly program and it won't be Tuesday nights. 1238 01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:45,155 - When would it be? - Sunday afternoons. 1239 01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:50,715 - How many episodes? - 5. 1240 01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:55,191 Why don't you just fire me, Bill? 1241 01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:57,595 I don't think it's what either of us wants. 1242 01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:03,199 You owe me 5 shows. 1243 01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:15,314 - You won't like the subject matter. - Probably not. 1244 01:20:15,480 --> 01:20:17,550 Fred, I'll need you for a moment. 1245 01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:33,910 - Thank you, Mary. - Goodbye, Mr. Friendly. 1246 01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:43,077 - He wants me to lay a few people off. - I'm sure he does. 1247 01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:46,152 Let's do our first show about the downfall of television. 1248 01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:52,436 - Senate's gonna vote to censure McCarthy tomorrow. - Probably. 1249 01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:55,592 - And then what happens? - He sits in the back row. - Right. 1250 01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:59,959 - They keep him in the Senate. They don't kick him out. - No, he stays. 1251 01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:12,276 Well, we might as well go down swinging. 1252 01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:18,918 Did you know the most trusted man in America is Milton Berle? 1253 01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:20,877 See, you should have worn a dress! 1254 01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:25,034 - Howd does a Scotch sound? - Scotch sounds good. 1255 01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:28,474 - Did you know Joe and Shirley were married? - Sure. 1256 01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:30,516 - Did everyone know? - Pretty much. 1257 01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:33,273 We are proud because from the beginning of this nation... 1258 01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:35,119 ...man can walk upright. 1259 01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:39,870 No matter who he is or who she is. 1260 01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:44,508 He can walk upright and meet his friend or his enemy. 1261 01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:48,272 And he does not fear that because that enemy... 1262 01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:51,270 ...may be in a position of great power... 1263 01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:56,796 ...that he can be suddenly thrown in jail... 1264 01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:01,636 ...to rott here without charges and with no recourse to justice. 1265 01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:06,558 We have the Habeas Corpus Act and we respect it. 1266 01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:10,432 I began by saying that our history will be what we makeit. 1267 01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:12,639 If we go on as we are... 1268 01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:16,356 ...then history will take its revenge, and retribution will not limp... 1269 01:22:16,440 --> 01:22:17,793 ...in catching up with us. 1270 01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:23,074 Just once in a while, let us exalt the importance of ideas and information. 1271 01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:27,710 Let us dream to the extent of saying that on a given Sunday night... 1272 01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:29,950 ...the time normally occupied by Ed Sullivan... 1273 01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:33,669 ...is given over to a clinical survey on the state of American education. 1274 01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:37,036 And a week or two later, the time normally used by Steve Allen... 1275 01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:41,238 ...is devoted to a thorough-going study of American policy in the Middle East. 1276 01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:45,550 Would the corporate image of their respective sponsors be damaged? 1277 01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:48,912 Would the shareholders rise up in their wrath and complain? 1278 01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:50,635 Would anything happen... 1279 01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:54,349 ...other than a few million people would have received a little illumination... 1280 01:22:54,440 --> 01:22:57,557 ...on subjects that may well determine the future of this country... 1281 01:22:57,640 --> 01:23:00,029 ...and therefore the future of the corporations? 1282 01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:04,036 To those who say, "People wouldn't look, they wouldn't be interested..." 1283 01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:06,998 "...they're tooc omplacent, indifferent and insulated"... 1284 01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:10,909 ...I can only reply: There is, in one reporter's opinion... 1285 01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:13,874 ...considerable evidence against that contention. 1286 01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:17,758 But even if they are right, what have they got to lose? 1287 01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:19,513 Because if they are right... 1288 01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:21,556 ...and this instrument is good for nothing... 1289 01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:24,074 ...but to entertain, amuse and insulate... 1290 01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:26,557 ...then the tube is flickering now... 1291 01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:29,598 ...and we will soon see that the whole struggle is lost. 1292 01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:31,999 This instrument can teach. 1293 01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:34,789 It can illuminate and it can even inspire. 1294 01:23:35,440 --> 01:23:39,353 But it can do so only to the extent that humans are determined to use it... 1295 01:23:39,440 --> 01:23:40,793 ...towards those ends. 1296 01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:44,628 Otherwise, it is merely wiresand lights... 1297 01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:46,435 ...in a box. 1298 01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:51,755 Good night, and good luck.