WEBVTT 00:02:28.360 --> 00:02:32.069 In 1935, Ed Murrow began his career with CBS. 00:02:32.840 --> 00:02:34.432 When World War Two broke out... 00:02:34.520 --> 00:02:37.193 ...his voice brought the battle of Britain home to us... 00:02:37.280 --> 00:02:39.635 ...through his "This Is London" radio series. 00:02:40.520 --> 00:02:41.999 He started with us all... 00:02:42.120 --> 00:02:45.396 ...many of us here tonight, when television was in its infancy... 00:02:45.480 --> 00:02:47.835 ...with the news documentary show, "See It Now'. 00:02:48.000 --> 00:02:49.672 He threw stones at giants. 00:02:50.720 --> 00:02:53.837 Segregation, exploitation of migrant workers... 00:02:54.040 --> 00:02:56.031 ...apartheid, J. Edgar Hoover... 00:02:56.880 --> 00:03:00.839 ...not the least of which, his historical fight with Senator McCarthy. 00:03:01.920 --> 00:03:05.390 He is the host of our enormously popular show "Person to Person"... 00:03:06.080 --> 00:03:08.753 ...and tonight he is here with his son, Casey... 00:03:09.200 --> 00:03:12.397 ...wife, Janet, and all of you who he's worked with... 00:03:12.720 --> 00:03:15.678 ...inspired, lectured, and taught. 00:03:16.760 --> 00:03:18.034 Ladies and gentlemen... 00:03:18.120 --> 00:03:22.113 ...the Radio-Television News Directors' Association and Foundation welcomes... 00:03:22.200 --> 00:03:24.350 ...Mr. Edward R. Murrow. 00:03:44.160 --> 00:03:46.230 This might just do nobody any good. 00:03:47.080 --> 00:03:50.675 At the end of this discourse a few people may accuse this reporter... 00:03:50.760 --> 00:03:52.876 ...of fouling his own comfortable nest... 00:03:53.280 --> 00:03:56.670 ...and your organization may be accused of having given hospitality... 00:03:56.760 --> 00:03:59.035 ...to heretical and even dangerous ideas. 00:04:00.040 --> 00:04:02.235 But the elaborate structure of networks... 00:04:02.320 --> 00:04:05.995 ...advertising agencies, and sponsors will not be shaken or altered. 00:04:06.840 --> 00:04:10.116 It is my desire, if not my duty, to try to talk to you journeymen... 00:04:10.200 --> 00:04:13.590 ...with some candor about what is happening to radio andtelevision. 00:04:13.680 --> 00:04:15.557 And if what I say is responsible... 00:04:15.960 --> 00:04:18.428 ...I alone am responsible for the saying ofit. 00:04:19.600 --> 00:04:21.670 Our history will be what we make of it. 00:04:22.520 --> 00:04:25.956 And if there are any historians about 50 or 100 years from now... 00:04:26.040 --> 00:04:27.598 ...and there should be preserved... 00:04:27.680 --> 00:04:30.399 ...the kinescopes of one week of all three networks... 00:04:30.800 --> 00:04:34.315 ...they will there find recorded in black and white, and in color... 00:04:34.880 --> 00:04:36.836 ...evidence of decadence, escapism... 00:04:36.920 --> 00:04:40.390 ...and insulation from the realities of the world in which we live. 00:04:40.920 --> 00:04:44.549 We are currently wealthy, fat, comfortable, and complacent. 00:04:45.400 --> 00:04:48.915 We have a built-in allergy to unpleasant or disturbing information. 00:04:49.120 --> 00:04:51.236 Our mass media reflect this. 00:04:52.200 --> 00:04:54.475 But unless we get up off our fat surpluses... 00:04:54.560 --> 00:04:56.915 ...and recognize that television in the main... 00:04:57.000 --> 00:05:01.039 ...is being used to distract, delude, amuse, and insulate us... 00:05:01.520 --> 00:05:03.715 ...then television and those who finance it... 00:05:03.800 --> 00:05:06.598 ...those who look at it and those who work at it... 00:05:06.920 --> 00:05:09.388 ...may see atotally different picture too late. 00:05:54.440 --> 00:05:57.512 Millie! Just the person I wanted to see! Come here! 00:06:06.920 --> 00:06:08.990 This goes at the top of the Roy Campanella piece. 00:06:09.080 --> 00:06:10.149 Yes! Give me a half an hour. 00:06:10.240 --> 00:06:11.992 I may need it a little quicker than that! 00:06:12.080 --> 00:06:15.072 - Can I get some coffee first? - Come on! Get me some coffee! 00:06:17.080 --> 00:06:18.195 Morning, Johnny! 00:06:18.280 --> 00:06:21.272 I have some new notes that go with the Tito footage for Fred. 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:22.554 Fred's gonna be in in an hour. 00:06:22.640 --> 00:06:25.712 I already put them on his desk. Can you just make sure that... 00:06:25.800 --> 00:06:28.473 ...he doesn't look at the film until he reads the notes? 00:06:28.560 --> 00:06:29.834 - Yes. - Thank you. 00:06:30.160 --> 00:06:31.149 Hey, Joe! Shirley! 00:06:32.640 --> 00:06:34.915 - What's going on in here? - What do you mean? 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:36.831 Two attractive people alone in the copy room! 00:06:36.920 --> 00:06:38.148 Don't tell Paley, he'll fire me. 00:06:38.240 --> 00:06:39.673 He'll fire both of us, Shirley. 00:06:39.760 --> 00:06:42.433 - Rules are made to be broken! - You can afford to say that. 00:06:46.880 --> 00:06:48.074 Let me see this. 00:06:51.560 --> 00:06:55.030 - It's simply a loyalty oath. - To CBS? - And to America. 00:06:55.280 --> 00:06:56.713 You promise to be a loyal American? 00:06:56.800 --> 00:06:58.870 I know. All of the reporters have signed this. 00:06:58.960 --> 00:07:00.598 Who are you promising this to? CBS? 00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:02.591 Fred signed it. Murrow signed it. 00:07:02.680 --> 00:07:03.999 - Murrow signed it? - Yeah. 00:07:05.400 --> 00:07:07.072 Are you now or have you ever been... 00:07:07.160 --> 00:07:09.310 I thought it was a joke, but there's a lot of pressure. 00:07:09.400 --> 00:07:11.834 ...on the Attorney General's list of subversive groups? 00:07:11.920 --> 00:07:14.036 - I don't know. - Let's think about it. 00:07:14.120 --> 00:07:17.556 What is it really saying? Is it a civil liberties issue or censorship? 00:07:17.640 --> 00:07:19.870 Am I simply stating to CBS that I'm not a Communist? 00:07:19.960 --> 00:07:22.190 - Murrow signed this? - And Fred and Stanton. 00:07:22.280 --> 00:07:25.317 - Maybe you should talk toMurrow. - Maybe I should sign it. 00:07:26.440 --> 00:07:29.113 If you don't sign this, are you and I a target? 00:07:31.320 --> 00:07:33.197 If I don'tsign it, they'll fire me. 00:07:39.400 --> 00:07:40.355 Sign it. 00:07:40.760 --> 00:07:42.830 Finally we can tell everyone the truth. 00:07:44.080 --> 00:07:47.356 If I could express it in what's in my heart now... 00:07:47.720 --> 00:07:51.918 ...I'd do it in the terms of the poet who once said... 00:07:52.480 --> 00:07:55.711 ..."Ah, 'tis but a dainty flower I bring to you." 00:07:56.680 --> 00:07:58.636 'Yes, 'tis but a violet..." 00:07:59.560 --> 00:08:00.993 "...glistening with dew." 00:08:01.960 --> 00:08:05.350 "But still in its heart there lie beauties concealed." 00:08:06.400 --> 00:08:07.992 "So in our heart..." 00:08:09.360 --> 00:08:10.873 "...our love for you..." 00:08:11.840 --> 00:08:14.308 "...lies unrevealed." 00:08:16.720 --> 00:08:17.789 I used to... 00:08:23.720 --> 00:08:28.510 ...pride myself on the idea that I was a bit... tough... 00:08:30.240 --> 00:08:36.190 ...especially over the past 19-19 months, when we've been... 00:08:36.800 --> 00:08:39.712 ...kicked around, and bullwhipped, and damned. 00:08:40.960 --> 00:08:42.234 I didnt think that... 00:08:44.440 --> 00:08:47.318 ...I could be... touched very deeply. 00:08:47.520 --> 00:08:49.670 Okay, that's enough. That's enough, Leo. 00:08:49.760 --> 00:08:51.716 - It's short. - Howlong is the piece? 00:08:51.800 --> 00:08:53.472 It's 4 minutes, but we can cut it down. 00:08:53.560 --> 00:08:56.233 It cant stand alone, but it might be a nice companion piece. 00:08:56.320 --> 00:08:58.550 Let's go through this one more time. Palmer! 00:08:58.640 --> 00:09:01.837 Yep, got a call from the office of Senator Morse this morning... 00:09:01.920 --> 00:09:04.912 ...interested in setting up a debate possibly with Senator Kerr... 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:07.355 ...over the comments Bentsen made on last night's show. 00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:10.557 Secretary of Agriculture? Good idea! Can they do it by this week? 00:09:10.640 --> 00:09:13.108 No, it would have to be 2 weeks at the earliest... 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:16.397 ...depending on Morse's schedule. But still it's a great idea. 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:19.677 Let's follow up on that. "Hoover speaks on Benjamin Franklin." 00:09:19.760 --> 00:09:22.752 We're having better luck with Mr. Benjamin Frankin... 00:09:22.840 --> 00:09:24.034 ...than with Mr. Hoover. 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:26.475 It may progress better as a "Person to Person". 00:09:26.560 --> 00:09:28.915 "At home with Ben Frankin. His electricity awards." 00:09:29.000 --> 00:09:30.831 We've got the footage, we need to contact him. 00:09:30.920 --> 00:09:34.469 See if you can contact him and get the shot. He wants to do the story. Joe! 00:09:34.560 --> 00:09:36.232 Member Delbert Clark? No longer with us. 00:09:36.320 --> 00:09:38.754 - New York Times? - Yeah. - Our friend at the Times. 00:09:38.840 --> 00:09:41.434 This was yesterday morning, they're saying it's... 00:09:41.640 --> 00:09:45.076 - How old was he? - 53. Sudden illness. 00:09:45.160 --> 00:09:47.720 - Home of a friend. - No, it's not a nobit piece. 00:09:47.880 --> 00:09:50.314 Natalie send some flowers over there from us. 00:09:50.760 --> 00:09:52.990 Couple things. Case before the Supreme Court... 00:09:53.080 --> 00:09:56.834 ...involving the constitutionality of a section of the Internal Security Act... 00:09:56.920 --> 00:09:58.797 ...provides for the deportation of any alien... 00:09:58.880 --> 00:10:01.519 ...if he becomes a Communist after entering this country. 00:10:02.040 --> 00:10:03.075 Can you take this? 00:10:03.160 --> 00:10:05.628 All right. McCarthy interrupting his wedding trip... 00:10:05.720 --> 00:10:09.076 ...to take charge of the investigation of Communist infiltration... 00:10:09.160 --> 00:10:11.469 - Natalie, send some flowers. - Poor Mrs. McCarthy! 00:10:11.560 --> 00:10:13.596 May I finish? It's national security! 00:10:13.680 --> 00:10:16.353 - A real ladies' man! - Well, they're in love. 00:10:16.840 --> 00:10:21.038 We have no show for Tuesday, fellows. So get out there and make some news. 00:10:21.840 --> 00:10:25.037 Rob a bank. Mug an old lady. Do something. 00:10:25.800 --> 00:10:28.314 - You look at the Secretary Stevens footage? - We will. 00:10:28.400 --> 00:10:30.834 Watch it all the way to the end, it's worth it. 00:10:32.360 --> 00:10:33.509 Thank you, John. 00:10:34.400 --> 00:10:35.719 There's notmuch there. 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:39.196 I can't tie it to the Eisenhower in the back of the train piece. 00:10:39.480 --> 00:10:42.711 - You ever spend any time in Detroit, Fred? - Not recently. 00:10:44.040 --> 00:10:47.157 There's a story here in the Detroit News, Dexter, Michigan. 00:10:47.880 --> 00:10:49.871 A kid named Milo Radulovich. 00:10:51.400 --> 00:10:54.995 - Italian? - Irish. Air Force kicked him out because his dad... 00:10:55.080 --> 00:10:59.517 ...reads ome Serbian newspaper. - Was he a Communist? - I don't know. 00:10:59.600 --> 00:11:01.352 - Who brought the charges? - Air Force. 00:11:02.120 --> 00:11:04.634 Charges were in a sealed envelope, nobody saw them. 00:11:04.720 --> 00:11:07.871 - Not even at the hearing? - He was declared guilty without a trial... 00:11:07.960 --> 00:11:09.632 ...and told if he wanted to keep his job... 00:11:09.720 --> 00:11:12.871 ...he had to denounce his father and his sister. Thank you, Natalie. 00:11:12.960 --> 00:11:15.315 - His sister? - He told them to take a hike. 00:11:16.960 --> 00:11:20.475 Let's send Joe and Charlie down there, see if he's any good on camera. 00:11:20.560 --> 00:11:22.755 Is he being brought before the Committee? 00:11:23.440 --> 00:11:24.395 No. 00:11:25.480 --> 00:11:26.799 Then it's not McCarthy. 00:11:28.360 --> 00:11:29.315 Isn't it? 00:11:35.160 --> 00:11:36.639 Milo Radulovich. 00:11:40.720 --> 00:11:42.073 What happens to your children... 00:11:42.160 --> 00:11:44.958 ...your 5-year-old and your 5-month-old in terms of you? 00:11:45.040 --> 00:11:47.873 If I am being judged on my relatives... 00:11:48.840 --> 00:11:53.709 ...are my children going to be asked to denounce me? 00:11:53.800 --> 00:11:57.679 Are they going to be judged on what their father was labeled? 00:11:58.360 --> 00:12:03.150 Are they going to have to explain to their friends, etc... 00:12:03.240 --> 00:12:05.470 ...why their father is a security risk? 00:12:06.400 --> 00:12:10.871 If the thing is let stand as it, the first recommendation... 00:12:11.160 --> 00:12:15.199 ...was sent out by the board, I see a chain reaction that... 00:12:15.960 --> 00:12:18.155 ...has no end to anybody, for anybody. 00:12:24.560 --> 00:12:25.834 Well, that's new. 00:12:27.000 --> 00:12:28.558 You can't call this a neutral piece. 00:12:28.640 --> 00:12:31.791 The other side's been represented rather well for the last 2 years. 00:12:31.880 --> 00:12:33.393 The Air Force hasn't gone on the record. 00:12:33.480 --> 00:12:36.392 So you want to forego the standards you've stuck to for 15 years... 00:12:36.480 --> 00:12:37.674 ...both sides, no commentary. 00:12:37.760 --> 00:12:40.638 - We all editorialize. - I'm just making sure we identify what... 00:12:40.720 --> 00:12:42.312 We're giving them the information up front... 00:12:42.400 --> 00:12:43.913 ...and we're asking them to comment on it. 00:12:44.000 --> 00:12:44.989 Frank, hold on. 00:12:45.720 --> 00:12:47.312 I've searched my conscience. 00:12:47.480 --> 00:12:50.552 I can't for the life of me find any justification for this. 00:12:50.640 --> 00:12:53.393 I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story... 00:12:53.480 --> 00:12:55.436 ...two equal and logical sides to an argument. 00:12:55.520 --> 00:12:58.353 - Call it editorializing, if you'd like. - It is editorializing. 00:12:58.440 --> 00:13:00.078 They'll have equal time to defend themselves. 00:13:00.160 --> 00:13:02.151 Do you understand the position you're putting us in? 00:13:02.240 --> 00:13:05.073 We are all in this together, if the Senate wants to investigate... 00:13:05.160 --> 00:13:06.149 Do me a favor... 00:13:06.240 --> 00:13:09.437 ...avoid any big speeches about how we're all in a big boat together! 00:13:09.520 --> 00:13:10.669 Please, don't insult me. 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:15.159 I have to go back to Mr. Paley and Alcoa, who sponsors your show... 00:13:15.640 --> 00:13:17.870 ...and also have some military contracts... 00:13:17.960 --> 00:13:21.032 ...and I have to tell them that they're going to be in a tough bind... 00:13:21.120 --> 00:13:23.076 ...because of a beef you had with Joe McCarthy. 00:13:23.160 --> 00:13:26.152 - We're not going at McCarthy. - You're starting the goddamn fire. 00:13:26.240 --> 00:13:29.471 Excuse me. Mr. Friendly, there's a Colonel Anderson to see you? 00:13:29.560 --> 00:13:32.916 - Colonel? - He's in your office. There are two of them. 00:13:34.640 --> 00:13:37.757 Maybe they liked the transcript, and want to compliment us on it. 00:13:38.320 --> 00:13:39.309 Excuse me. 00:13:47.160 --> 00:13:49.799 Go after Joe Kennedy. We'll pay for it. 00:13:50.280 --> 00:13:52.271 I've got a great story about Hoover. 00:13:56.080 --> 00:13:58.435 You know how many shows you're going to have to do... 00:13:58.520 --> 00:14:01.478 ...to make up for this? - And Judy and her daughter Liza next week. 00:14:01.560 --> 00:14:03.551 No, no. You're interviewing Rin Tin Tin! 00:14:08.440 --> 00:14:09.919 I'll talk to Mr. Paley. 00:14:12.400 --> 00:14:14.152 Alcoa wont pay for the ads. 00:14:15.120 --> 00:14:18.635 And we probably wont either. But nobody'll stop you. 00:14:18.720 --> 00:14:19.835 How much are the ads? 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:25.037 - 3,000. - I'll split it with Fred. 00:14:26.560 --> 00:14:29.757 He just won't have Christmas presents for his kids this year. 00:14:30.080 --> 00:14:33.152 - He's a Jew. - Don't tell him that, he loves Christmas. 00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:44.838 - To be clear, you did speak with the lawyers? - Yes, we did. 00:14:44.920 --> 00:14:48.071 And we read the transcript. We've not been allowed to see the footage. 00:14:48.160 --> 00:14:51.072 Mack is on a plane from Dexter right now with the last interviews. 00:14:51.160 --> 00:14:52.832 We'll be going right down to the wire. 00:14:52.920 --> 00:14:57.391 Your show airs tomorrow. How can we possibly approve and check... 00:14:57.480 --> 00:15:01.029 ...your story in the limited amount of time you have given us? 00:15:01.120 --> 00:15:04.669 With all due respect, you have been invited to participate in this piece... 00:15:04.760 --> 00:15:06.079 ...not to approve it. 00:15:06.680 --> 00:15:09.592 We are going with the story that says that the U.S. Air Force... 00:15:09.680 --> 00:15:12.114 ...tried Milo Radulovich without any evidence... 00:15:12.200 --> 00:15:14.668 ...and found him guilty of being a security risk... 00:15:14.760 --> 00:15:18.275 ...without his Constitutional rights... - You have not seen the evidence... 00:15:18.360 --> 00:15:20.590 ...and are claiming he's not a security risk. 00:15:20.680 --> 00:15:24.639 Wouldn't you guess that those who have seen the contents of that envelope... 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:28.599 ...might have a better idea of what makes someone a danger to his country? 00:15:28.680 --> 00:15:31.877 - Who? Who? - Or do you think it should just be you that decides? 00:15:31.960 --> 00:15:34.428 Who are the people? Are they elected? Are they appointed? 00:15:34.520 --> 00:15:37.080 Do they have an axe to grind? Is it you, sir? 00:15:37.320 --> 00:15:41.393 Or you, Colonel Jenkns? Do you know the contents of that sealed envelope? 00:15:42.360 --> 00:15:47.673 We have been a friend and ally of both Mr. Murrow and CBS News for many years. 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:51.391 The story you are going to run tomorrow is without merit. 00:15:51.880 --> 00:15:54.872 So before you take any steps that cannot be undone... 00:15:55.240 --> 00:15:57.800 ...I strongly urge you to reconsider your stand. 00:15:58.440 --> 00:16:01.750 These are very dangerous waters you are attempting to navigate. 00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:13.232 We have had no hearing at all. We have had noday in court. 00:16:13.640 --> 00:16:17.599 In all the 32 years that I have been a practicing attorney in Detroit... 00:16:17.800 --> 00:16:22.157 ...I have never witnessed such a farce and travesty upon justice... 00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:24.151 ...as this thing has developed. 00:16:24.440 --> 00:16:27.113 - Now this whole theory... - Eddie, just take the first reel. 00:16:27.200 --> 00:16:29.077 Tell John I left 5 seconds extra leader. 00:16:29.160 --> 00:16:32.391 5 seconds! I got it! Palmer, where's Joe? Have you seen Joe? 00:16:32.480 --> 00:16:33.708 He's on his way to the control room. 00:16:33.800 --> 00:16:35.392 We're gonna have to do the voice-over live. 00:16:35.480 --> 00:16:37.198 Natalie, I need a booth with a live mic. 00:16:37.280 --> 00:16:38.474 Booth is there, it's already set. 00:16:38.560 --> 00:16:40.676 We didn't have time to sync the voice-over out. 00:16:40.920 --> 00:16:42.512 That's not what I asked for. 00:16:44.120 --> 00:16:45.997 It's missing the voice-over on the last piece. 00:16:46.080 --> 00:16:48.116 There's a commercial in the booth. What shall I do? 00:16:48.200 --> 00:16:50.839 - 2 minutes to air! - There's not supposed to be a commercial! 00:16:50.920 --> 00:16:52.148 Get himout of the booth! 00:16:55.560 --> 00:16:57.676 2-and-a-half minutes on the end piece. 00:16:58.800 --> 00:17:01.394 Keep it down, please. It's a little loud. 00:17:01.520 --> 00:17:02.748 2 minutes to air, fellas. 00:17:04.120 --> 00:17:07.317 - He's gonna add a joke. - Charlie, loan me your lighter. 00:17:09.120 --> 00:17:12.317 Make sure you know that I swap with those two pieces of parents. 00:17:12.400 --> 00:17:15.278 - As long as he talks fast because... - He will talk fast. 00:17:20.200 --> 00:17:21.315 We got the film. 00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:23.674 Will it be ready? 00:17:24.160 --> 00:17:25.149 You bet. 00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:32.074 Funny thing, Freddy! 00:17:32.520 --> 00:17:35.671 Every time you light a cigarette for me, I know you're lying. 00:17:49.680 --> 00:17:52.478 It occurs t ome we might not get away with this one. 00:17:58.600 --> 00:18:01.512 Alcoa, the aluminum company of America... 00:18:01.600 --> 00:18:03.670 - 10 seconds. - You fellas, ready? Okay. 00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:05.148 Ready on camera 1. 00:18:11.840 --> 00:18:15.958 5, 4,3, 2. 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:19.914 Pan, camera 1. 00:18:21.400 --> 00:18:22.355 Good evening. 00:18:22.800 --> 00:18:26.315 A few weeks ago there occurred a few obscure notices in the newspapers... 00:18:26.400 --> 00:18:28.118 ...about Milo Radulovich... 00:18:28.480 --> 00:18:30.596 ...a lieutenant in the Air Force Reserves. 00:18:30.920 --> 00:18:34.435 And, also, something about Air Force regulation 35-62... 00:18:35.280 --> 00:18:38.716 ...which states that a man may be regarded as a security risk... 00:18:38.800 --> 00:18:41.917 ...if he has close and continuing association with Communists... 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:44.594 ...or people believed to have Communist sympathies. 00:18:45.480 --> 00:18:48.870 Lieutenant Radulovich was asked to resign in August. He declined. 00:18:49.120 --> 00:18:51.236 A board was called and heard his case. 00:18:51.320 --> 00:18:54.790 At the end it was recommended that he be severed from the Air Force... 00:18:54.880 --> 00:18:58.156 ...although it was also stated that there was no question whatever... 00:18:58.240 --> 00:18:59.992 ...as to the Lieutenant's loyalty. 00:19:00.120 --> 00:19:02.429 We propose to examine, in so far as we can... 00:19:02.520 --> 00:19:04.556 ...the case of Lieutenant Radulovich. 00:19:04.760 --> 00:19:07.433 Our reporter, Joe Wershba, cameraman, Charlie Mack. 00:19:08.320 --> 00:19:11.198 This is the town of Dexter, Michigan. Population 1500. 00:19:11.600 --> 00:19:14.751 This statue is at the end of Ann Arbor Street erected by... 00:19:14.840 --> 00:19:16.717 What did the General tell you yesterday? 00:19:16.880 --> 00:19:19.997 - A Colonel. There were two of them. - That makes a General. 00:19:20.120 --> 00:19:21.439 They weren't too pleased. 00:19:22.280 --> 00:19:24.157 You're gonna get audited this year. 00:19:24.520 --> 00:19:27.557 Not me, you. I told them I didn't want to do the story. 00:19:28.800 --> 00:19:31.314 - You always were yellow. - Better than red. 00:19:38.160 --> 00:19:39.229 In 10 seconds. 00:19:43.520 --> 00:19:46.034 This is the sister, Margaret Radulovich Fishman. 00:19:46.400 --> 00:19:49.437 She neither defends nor explains her political activities. 00:19:49.640 --> 00:19:54.236 I feel that my activities, be what they may... 00:19:54.320 --> 00:19:57.153 ...or my political beliefs are my own private affair. 00:19:57.640 --> 00:20:02.589 Are my children going to be asked to denounce me? 00:20:02.680 --> 00:20:06.639 Are they going to be judged on what their father was labeled? 00:20:07.080 --> 00:20:11.790 Are they going to have to explain to their friends, etc... 00:20:11.920 --> 00:20:13.876 ...why their father is a security risk? 00:20:14.760 --> 00:20:19.470 I see, absolutely, that this is a chain reaction. 00:20:19.840 --> 00:20:23.958 If the thing is let stand as it, the first recommendation... 00:20:24.040 --> 00:20:28.158 ...was sent out by the board I see a chain reaction... 00:20:28.240 --> 00:20:31.550 ...that has no end to anybody, for anybody. 00:20:32.400 --> 00:20:35.358 Perhaps you will permit me to read a few sentences... 00:20:35.440 --> 00:20:38.432 ...because I would like to say rather precisely what I mean. 00:20:38.840 --> 00:20:41.479 We have told the Air Force that we will provide facilities... 00:20:41.560 --> 00:20:44.518 ...for any comments, criticisms, or corrections it may wish to make... 00:20:44.600 --> 00:20:46.511 ...as to the case of Milo Radulovich. 00:20:47.760 --> 00:20:51.116 We are unable to judge the charges against his father or sister... 00:20:51.200 --> 00:20:54.397 ...because neither we, nor you, nor they, nor the lawyers... 00:20:54.480 --> 00:20:58.359 ...nor the Lieutenant, know what was contained in that manila envelope. 00:20:59.040 --> 00:21:02.077 Was it hearsay, rumor, gossip, slander... 00:21:02.320 --> 00:21:06.199 ...or hard ascertainable facts that could be backed by credible witnesses? 00:21:06.520 --> 00:21:07.669 We do not know. 00:21:08.480 --> 00:21:11.631 We believe the son shall not bear the iniquity of the father. 00:21:11.760 --> 00:21:15.116 Even though that iniquity be proved and in this case it was not. 00:21:16.120 --> 00:21:19.271 But we believe too that this case illustrates the urgent need... 00:21:19.360 --> 00:21:23.114 ...for the Armed Forces to communicate more fully than they have so far done... 00:21:23.200 --> 00:21:25.555 ...the procedures and regulations to be followed... 00:21:25.640 --> 00:21:27.949 ...in attempting to protect the national security... 00:21:28.040 --> 00:21:30.679 ...and the rights of the individual at the same time. 00:21:31.720 --> 00:21:34.314 Whatever happens in this area of the relationship... 00:21:34.400 --> 00:21:36.436 ...between the individual and the state... 00:21:36.520 --> 00:21:38.033 ...we will do it ourselves... 00:21:38.560 --> 00:21:42.838 ...it cannot be blamed on Malenkov or Mao Tse-Tung or even our allies. 00:21:43.560 --> 00:21:46.757 And, it seems to us, Fred Friendly and myself... 00:21:47.240 --> 00:21:50.596 ...that this is a subject that should be argued about endlessly. 00:21:52.120 --> 00:21:53.917 Good night, and good luck. 00:22:00.520 --> 00:22:01.635 And we'reout. 00:23:33.600 --> 00:23:34.000 May I tell you something about yourself... 00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:35.638 May I tellyou something about yourself... 00:23:35.720 --> 00:23:38.029 ...as a member of the "Person to Person" audience? 00:23:38.120 --> 00:23:40.111 Based on audience research studies... 00:23:40.640 --> 00:23:44.076 ...you are well above average in education and intelligence. 00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:47.677 Your interests are wide, from world affairs and science... 00:23:47.840 --> 00:23:49.592 ...to sports and show business. 00:23:49.880 --> 00:23:52.997 And you have one characteristic that's rather encouraging to me... 00:23:53.080 --> 00:23:56.834 ...and that's the fact that you are not easily persuaded by advertising. 00:23:57.560 --> 00:24:00.279 The makers of Kent considered all these characteristics... 00:24:00.360 --> 00:24:02.430 ...when they chose Mr. Murrow'sprogram... 00:24:02.520 --> 00:24:03.999 ...to tell you about Kent. 00:24:04.240 --> 00:24:09.109 Of all leading filter cigarettes, Kent filter's best. 00:24:09.360 --> 00:24:12.352 If you try Kent with that in mind, I think you'll agree... 00:24:12.440 --> 00:24:15.512 ...with many other thinking people who havec hanged to Kent. 00:24:15.840 --> 00:24:20.550 They find that it makes good sense to smoke Kent and good smoking, too. 00:24:21.480 --> 00:24:24.631 - Did you get the changes? - Edward Murrow, "Person to Person"... 00:24:24.720 --> 00:24:28.395 ...on the CBS Television Network. - No, no. You there? Okay. We got it. 00:24:28.480 --> 00:24:29.993 Now back to Ed Murrow. 00:24:31.200 --> 00:24:33.998 Not since the silent movies and the idols they produced... 00:24:34.080 --> 00:24:37.675 ...has Hollywood witnessed the sort of pilgrimage that is now going on. 00:24:38.160 --> 00:24:41.675 Each day, oblivious to time, weather, and the state of the world... 00:24:41.840 --> 00:24:45.515 ...sightseers head in the direction of California's San Fernando Valley. 00:24:45.960 --> 00:24:49.077 For there, at the end of the tourist line, is Sherman Oaks... 00:24:49.160 --> 00:24:52.357 ...and the home Liberace has built for himself and his mother. 00:24:52.520 --> 00:24:56.229 This is the front and nobody knows how many people have seen that view. 00:24:56.840 --> 00:24:59.957 This is the back of the house and that's Liberace's bedroom. 00:25:00.920 --> 00:25:02.990 - Good evening, Lee. - Good evening, Ed. 00:25:03.080 --> 00:25:07.631 - What are you doing? - I'm dictating my weekly syndicated newspaper column... 00:25:08.080 --> 00:25:14.349 ...and on my trusty tape recorder here, I'm also dictating a book. 00:25:14.440 --> 00:25:16.715 - It's an inspirational book. - Lee, what about you? 00:25:16.800 --> 00:25:19.678 Have you given much thought to getting married and settling down? 00:25:19.760 --> 00:25:22.274 Actually, I've given a lot of thought to it... 00:25:22.360 --> 00:25:26.114 ...but I don't believe in getting married just for the sake of getting married. 00:25:26.200 --> 00:25:28.794 I want to someday find the perfect mate... 00:25:29.160 --> 00:25:33.073 ...and settle down to what I hope will be a marriage that will be blessed... 00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:35.714 ...by faith and will be a lasting union. 00:25:36.200 --> 00:25:40.751 I was reading about lovely young Princess Margaret... 00:25:41.280 --> 00:25:43.840 ...and she's lookng for her dream man, too... 00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:46.311 ...and I hope she finds him someday. 00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:51.235 Uh-huh. Lee, thanks very much for letting us come and visit you. 00:25:51.320 --> 00:25:52.435 It's been very pleasant. 00:25:52.520 --> 00:25:54.590 And will you say goodnight to your family for us? 00:25:54.680 --> 00:25:56.318 - I certainly will. - Thanks a lot. 00:25:56.400 --> 00:25:58.152 - Good night, Ed. - Good night, Lee. 00:25:59.560 --> 00:26:02.199 Next week, we'll take you to Beverly Hills, California... 00:26:02.280 --> 00:26:04.840 ...to the house of Mickey Rooney and his newbride. 00:26:04.920 --> 00:26:07.480 Until then, good night, and good luck. 00:26:13.440 --> 00:26:14.998 Good show, Mr. Murrow! 00:26:37.240 --> 00:26:38.434 Excuse me, Mr. Murrow. 00:26:38.520 --> 00:26:41.114 Could you take a look at this and sign it for me, please? 00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:44.192 Thank you. Dr. Stanton would like to have a drink with you. 00:26:44.280 --> 00:26:46.236 - When? - Now. He's at the Pentagon Bar. 00:26:46.320 --> 00:26:48.436 I can't. What the hell is he doing there? 00:26:48.520 --> 00:26:51.273 - I believe he's waiting for you. - Just call him! - Fine. 00:26:51.360 --> 00:26:53.920 - Oppenheimer next week. - It's a good show, Ed. 00:26:55.680 --> 00:26:56.954 - Hey, Don! - Ed! 00:26:57.960 --> 00:26:59.313 You're getting good at this! 00:26:59.840 --> 00:27:01.558 They're gonna think you like it! 00:27:01.720 --> 00:27:03.915 Pays the bills. How are you, Don? 00:27:05.160 --> 00:27:06.149 Ah, it's... 00:27:07.560 --> 00:27:08.709 ...day today. 00:27:09.440 --> 00:27:12.238 If she saw how good you look right now, she'd be back. 00:27:13.720 --> 00:27:16.029 You tell her that if you see her, will you? 00:27:17.480 --> 00:27:20.552 - I read the O'Brian piece. - Yeah, it's tough. 00:27:21.360 --> 00:27:23.828 I'm a pinko. I slant the news. 00:27:24.880 --> 00:27:27.599 I'm just waiting for him to say my wife left me too. 00:27:27.880 --> 00:27:30.678 - Nobody worth their salt reads him. - You read him. 00:27:31.200 --> 00:27:32.792 Well, see, I rest my case. 00:27:34.440 --> 00:27:38.513 - Does Paley read him? - Bill Paley's not gonna do anything. 00:27:41.560 --> 00:27:42.629 Thanks, Ed. 00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:47.071 I just came by to tell you how great the Lieutenant piece was. 00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:50.232 - Thanks. - How's the fallout? - Mostly good, surprisingly. 00:27:50.440 --> 00:27:53.113 Is this the start? Are you taking sides? 00:27:55.600 --> 00:27:58.512 It's just a little poke with a stick, see what happens. 00:27:58.760 --> 00:28:00.398 You let me know if I can help. 00:28:00.600 --> 00:28:01.999 But you're a pinko. 00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:05.834 I'll see you. 00:28:21.160 --> 00:28:23.720 Hey, Joe! What's all this Radulovich junk you're putting out? 00:28:23.800 --> 00:28:26.598 I can't talk to you now. I have to get this film back to New York. 00:28:26.680 --> 00:28:27.954 What would you say if I told you... 00:28:28.040 --> 00:28:30.508 ...that Murrow was on the Soviet payroll in 1935? 00:28:32.600 --> 00:28:35.558 - Uh! Charlie, you wanna... - Sure. I'll set up outside. 00:28:37.600 --> 00:28:39.158 McCarthy going tot he Eisenhower dinner? 00:28:39.240 --> 00:28:42.676 - I have no idea. Id on't keep the Senator's calendar for him! - Really? 00:28:46.640 --> 00:28:50.189 Have you ever seen any spy films? You don't hand me a classified folder! 00:28:50.280 --> 00:28:52.316 You're supposed to slip it into my briefcase! 00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:55.437 I didnt know who to give this information to, Paley or Murrow. 00:28:55.520 --> 00:28:58.956 As you can imagine, Fred and I aren't very friendly. No pun intended. 00:28:59.320 --> 00:29:00.753 No pun elocuted. 00:29:04.080 --> 00:29:05.991 - What do you got, Donald? - In short? 00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:08.879 Murrows been a Communist sympathizer since the 1930's. 00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:12.350 Member of the International Workers, sponsored educational trips to Moscow... 00:29:12.440 --> 00:29:14.874 ...and on the Sovietpayroll in 1935. It's all there. 00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:16.757 You wanna know why that's not possible? 00:29:16.840 --> 00:29:18.273 Why you'll lose this one? 00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:20.631 Because everyone in this country... 00:29:20.720 --> 00:29:23.712 ...knows that Ed Murrow is a loyal American, he's apatriot. 00:29:25.600 --> 00:29:28.239 Did you know the word "gullible" isn't in the dictionary? 00:29:28.320 --> 00:29:31.198 - Can I give this to him? - I'd love it! I have copies! 00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:35.639 I think you guys go too far. 00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:38.230 Well, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck. 00:29:44.800 --> 00:29:46.074 Yes, Mr. Paley. 00:29:47.040 --> 00:29:48.598 Right away. Yes, sir. 00:29:50.240 --> 00:29:51.639 No, he hasn't called. 00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:56.555 Yes, sir, the second he calls. If you're in a meeting, shall I? 00:29:57.840 --> 00:29:59.637 Yes, sir. Of course, sir. 00:30:02.280 --> 00:30:03.315 Mr. Murrow! 00:30:04.160 --> 00:30:05.832 Mr. Paley will see you now. 00:30:09.520 --> 00:30:13.115 - Mr. Paley, Mr. Murrow is here. - Thanks, Miss Mary. 00:30:13.680 --> 00:30:16.353 - Hello, Ed. - Bill... - Sit over here, will you? 00:30:17.160 --> 00:30:18.195 How's Janet? 00:30:18.600 --> 00:30:20.909 - Your son? - All well, thanks. How's Babe? 00:30:21.040 --> 00:30:24.077 She's fine. Her fundraiser got rained on, so... 00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:27.233 - Oh! That's why I never plan on anything. - Really? 00:30:28.720 --> 00:30:29.914 You'd never know. 00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:34.868 Reading fiction? 00:30:35.480 --> 00:30:37.277 I hope so. You tell me. 00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:40.392 Now we know how they're gonna come at us. 00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:43.278 That's just the first shot. Somebody's going to go down. 00:30:43.360 --> 00:30:45.874 Have you checked your facts? Are you on safe ground? 00:30:48.080 --> 00:30:50.833 - Bill, it's time. Show our cards. - My cards. 00:30:51.640 --> 00:30:55.394 You lose, what happens? 5 guys find themselves out of work. 00:30:55.800 --> 00:30:59.839 I'm responsible for a lot more than 5 goddamn reporters. Let it go. 00:31:01.520 --> 00:31:03.590 McCarthy will self-destruct, Cohn, all of them. 00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:06.035 You said Corporate would not interfere with Editorial... 00:31:06.120 --> 00:31:07.553 ...and that the News was to be left... 00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:09.358 We don't make the news, we report the news. 00:31:09.440 --> 00:31:12.079 He's marked as Communists. 00:31:12.160 --> 00:31:14.116 If he goes too far, the Senate will investigate him... 00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:15.155 ...and we will report on that. 00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:18.391 He oversteps people's civil liberties. 00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:19.549 And you're trying him in the press? 00:31:19.640 --> 00:31:21.551 Does he get the right to face his accuser? 00:31:21.640 --> 00:31:24.029 You've decided on this and you're presenting it as fact. 00:31:24.120 --> 00:31:26.350 - What I am doing... - I write your check. 00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:30.149 I put you in your country house, and I put your son through school! 00:31:30.520 --> 00:31:33.990 You should have told me about this before it went so far down the road! 00:31:45.040 --> 00:31:48.749 Everyone of your boys needs to be clean. Do you understand? No ties. 00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:53.351 If Aaron's mother went to a group fundraiser in 1932, he's out. 00:31:53.480 --> 00:31:57.109 Hewitt, too. Anyone in that room. You make no mistake... 00:31:57.240 --> 00:32:00.710 ...I will cut them loose. Corporate won't interfere with Editorial. 00:32:00.800 --> 00:32:04.076 But Editorial will not jeopardize the hundreds of employees... 00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:07.357 ...of the CBS. Do I make myself clear? 00:32:08.600 --> 00:32:09.828 Yes? 00:32:15.080 --> 00:32:18.311 Fellas, our next show is gonna be about Senator McCarthy. 00:32:19.360 --> 00:32:21.078 And we'regonna go right at him. 00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:24.353 I don't need to tell you how careful we have to be. 00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:27.477 If we are to do this, Ed and I need you to be straight with us. 00:32:27.560 --> 00:32:29.676 We need to know, for the good of the piece... 00:32:29.760 --> 00:32:33.435 ...if any of you have any connection, if you subscribed to a newsletter... 00:32:33.520 --> 00:32:35.317 ...if you attended a party, anything... 00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:38.437 ...anything that could compromise this, anything at all... 00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:41.110 ...because now would be the time to tell us. 00:32:46.360 --> 00:32:48.271 Ed, I think I should excuse myself. 00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:50.599 Palmer, you kidding? 00:32:51.520 --> 00:32:53.954 My ex was a... I wouldn't say she was a Communist... 00:32:54.040 --> 00:32:56.998 ...but she attended meetings. It was before we were married. 00:32:57.080 --> 00:32:59.913 I didn't even really know about it until after the divorce. 00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:03.318 But it was different then. We were all on the same side. 00:33:04.760 --> 00:33:07.593 I'm not telling you anything you don't know. The thing is... 00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:09.079 ...somebody'll find out. 00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:12.153 They'll hurt us with it. 00:33:13.640 --> 00:33:15.995 I should have told you sooner, Ed, I'm sorry. 00:33:17.080 --> 00:33:18.149 Fred. 00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:23.800 If none of us had ever read a "dangerous" book... 00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:26.070 ...or had a friend who was "different"... 00:33:26.160 --> 00:33:28.720 ...or never joined an organization that advocated "change"... 00:33:28.800 --> 00:33:31.519 ...we'd all be the kindof people Joe McCarthy wants. 00:33:33.400 --> 00:33:36.870 We're gonna go with the story, because the terror is in this room. 00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:42.915 John! Jesse! Go through the HUAC hearings. 00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:46.754 Eddie! Palmer! Look at who did the interviews and any speeches. 00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:49.278 Okay, fellas, here we go. 00:33:49.840 --> 00:33:51.751 His own words, that's what we need. 00:33:51.840 --> 00:33:54.274 ...said that he wouldn't remove a General from the Army... 00:33:54.360 --> 00:33:57.238 ...who supported a Communist Major. I said, "Then, General..." 00:33:57.320 --> 00:33:59.550 "...you should be removed from any command." 00:34:00.040 --> 00:34:03.669 "Any man who says, "I will protect and honor a General'..." 00:34:03.920 --> 00:34:08.072 "...'who protects Communists', is not fit to wear that uniform, General." 00:34:08.360 --> 00:34:09.918 Ethically, we're fine. 00:34:10.080 --> 00:34:13.675 But legally, if we air this, are we leaking closed hearing testimony? 00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:16.069 - But he chose to read it. - We're not misquoting him. 00:34:16.160 --> 00:34:19.436 - There are other reporters. - If it's a legal issue, it's his. 00:34:19.520 --> 00:34:20.839 I'll check with Campbell in Legal. 00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:22.876 And wait till you hear the bleeding hearts... 00:34:23.320 --> 00:34:25.356 ...scream and cry about our methods... 00:34:26.520 --> 00:34:28.476 ...of trying to drag the truth... 00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:32.070 ...from those who know or should know... 00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:35.713 ...who covered up a Fifth Amendment Communist Major. 00:34:36.560 --> 00:34:37.879 But they say, "Oh..." 00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:42.674 "...it's all right to uncover them, but don't get rough doing it, McCarthy." 00:34:44.680 --> 00:34:49.037 Did a Civil Liberties Union provide you with an attorney at that time? 00:34:49.840 --> 00:34:51.558 I had many offers of attorneys... 00:34:51.640 --> 00:34:55.394 ...and from the American Civil Liberties Union, too. - The question is: 00:34:55.480 --> 00:34:58.313 ...did the Civil Liberties Union supply you with an attorney? 00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:00.868 - They did supply an attorney. - The answer is yes? 00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:01.955 The answer is yes. 00:35:02.040 --> 00:35:04.429 You know the Civil Liberties Union has been listed... 00:35:04.520 --> 00:35:07.592 ...as a front for and doing the work of the Communist Party? 00:35:08.080 --> 00:35:09.957 Mr. Chairman, this was 1932! 00:35:11.320 --> 00:35:12.594 I know this was in 1932. 00:35:12.680 --> 00:35:14.750 Do you know that they since have been listed... 00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:17.274 ...as a front for and doing the work of the Communist Party? 00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:19.510 I do not know that they have been listedso, sir. 00:35:19.600 --> 00:35:21.875 - You don't know? - I have heard that mentioned... 00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:23.154 All right, Leo. Turn it off. 00:35:23.240 --> 00:35:26.869 - I need those three cans of Stevens! - Has anybody read this book yet? 00:35:26.960 --> 00:35:29.190 It would be nice if this guy isn't a Commie. 00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:31.589 - Did Millie give it to you? - I wanna read the book. 00:35:31.680 --> 00:35:33.193 - Nobody else, Joe. - I hear you, boss. 00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:35.510 I'll put it on a kinescope, push through the end. 00:35:35.600 --> 00:35:36.749 Palmer, cut it at 2:30. 00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:39.115 I prefer it one on each end, let it run through. 00:35:39.200 --> 00:35:40.952 It'd be more powerful. Cut Kennedy? 00:35:41.040 --> 00:35:43.759 Joe, file it for me. I'll see the Mundt piece later. 00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:45.319 Are we gonna make it, Fred? 00:35:45.640 --> 00:35:47.710 We lost the telecine, but we'll make it. 00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:52.831 Did you finish your closing piece? 00:35:53.560 --> 00:35:54.709 It's Shakespeare. 00:35:56.520 --> 00:35:57.794 Write your closing. 00:36:25.200 --> 00:36:28.317 My argument was if you just show the images of McCarthy... 00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:29.879 ...it doesn't make any difference. 00:36:29.960 --> 00:36:32.155 If you agree with him, you're gonna hate the piece. 00:36:32.240 --> 00:36:33.229 If you don't, you'll love it. 00:36:33.320 --> 00:36:35.231 Maybe they should wait till they get more footage. 00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:36.753 I don't think wec an take that chance. 00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:39.354 We've got to hit McCarthy before he comes after Ed. 00:36:41.040 --> 00:36:44.271 The blue one. They haven't gone after the AIsops or Herb Block. 00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:47.153 Honey, the AIsops and Herb Block... 00:36:47.800 --> 00:36:51.315 ...didn't work for the Institute of International Education in 1934. 00:36:52.080 --> 00:36:53.399 Then I guess it's time. 00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:01.355 You worried? 00:37:04.040 --> 00:37:05.359 I didn't think I was. 00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:08.514 I don't know why. I was in the office on Friday. 00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:11.752 And I answered the phone, it was Howard calling from London. 00:37:11.840 --> 00:37:14.195 And he asked what was going on with McCarthy. 00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:19.394 And before I answered him, I turned and looked over my shoulder... 00:37:19.720 --> 00:37:22.473 ...tosee who was listening. - And who was listening? 00:37:24.240 --> 00:37:25.389 Chairman Mao... 00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:32.839 I'll see you at the office. 00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:35.318 - Hey, your ring! - Uh! 00:37:38.480 --> 00:37:39.879 Name me another wife... 00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:42.959 ...who reminds her husband to take off his wedding ring... 00:37:43.040 --> 00:37:46.112 ...before he goes to the office. - Ava Gardner. 00:37:53.160 --> 00:37:56.755 Excuse me, Mr. Friendly. Mr. Murrow, Mr. Paley's on the line for you. 00:37:58.760 --> 00:38:02.230 - Maybe he wants to reimburse us for those ads. - You'd like that! 00:38:02.560 --> 00:38:04.357 - I would like that! - This is Ed. 00:38:04.640 --> 00:38:07.916 There's a Knickerbocker game tonight. I've got front row seats. 00:38:08.120 --> 00:38:09.348 Are you interested? 00:38:10.160 --> 00:38:12.993 I'm busy bringing down the network tonight, Bill. 00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:14.235 Is that tonight? 00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:17.108 We're covered, Bill. 00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:19.035 All right. 00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:25.396 - I'm with you today, Ed, and I'm with you tomorrow. - Thanks, Bill. 00:38:40.520 --> 00:38:42.715 Do you know the timing on the first piece? 00:38:44.200 --> 00:38:46.031 Can we hold all the calls, please? 00:38:46.280 --> 00:38:48.396 Hold the calls till after the show. Thank you. 00:38:48.800 --> 00:38:50.836 - You fellas, awake down there? - Okay. 00:38:51.160 --> 00:38:53.833 - Just... what are we? 20? - 30 seconds, Ed. 00:39:09.080 --> 00:39:10.308 10 seconds. 00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:18.831 5, 4,3, 2. 00:39:20.160 --> 00:39:21.559 And pan, camera one. 00:39:24.680 --> 00:39:28.389 Because a report on Senator McCarthy is by definition controversial... 00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:31.030 ...we want to say exactly what we mean to say... 00:39:31.120 --> 00:39:33.759 ...and request your permission to read from a script... 00:39:33.840 --> 00:39:36.274 ...what ever remarks Murrow and Friendly may make. 00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:40.429 If the Senator feels that we have done violence to his words or pictures... 00:39:40.520 --> 00:39:42.670 ...and desires to answer himself... 00:39:42.840 --> 00:39:45.593 ...an opportunity will be afforded him on this program. 00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:48.468 Our working thesis tonight is this quotation: 00:39:49.160 --> 00:39:50.752 ..."If this fight against Communism..." 00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:54.037 "...has made a fight between America's two great political parties..." 00:39:54.120 --> 00:39:57.476 "...the American people know that one of these parties will be destroyed..." 00:39:57.560 --> 00:40:00.870 "...and the Republic cannot endure very long as a one-party system." 00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:02.833 We applaud that statement... 00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:05.070 ...and we think Senator McCarthy ought to. 00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:07.510 He said it 17 months ago in Milwaukee. 00:40:08.520 --> 00:40:11.751 The American people realize that this cannot be made a fight... 00:40:11.880 --> 00:40:14.394 ...between America's two great political parties. 00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:16.038 If this fight against Communism... 00:40:16.120 --> 00:40:19.192 ...is made a fight against America's two great political parties... 00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:22.750 ...the American people know that one of those parties will be destroyed... 00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:26.116 ...and the Republic can't endure very long as a one-party system. 00:40:26.920 --> 00:40:29.434 On one thing the Senator has been consistent. 00:40:29.960 --> 00:40:33.157 Often operating as a one-man committee, he has traveled far... 00:40:33.240 --> 00:40:35.356 ...interviewed many, terrorized some... 00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:37.796 ...accused civilian and military leaders... 00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:40.235 ...of the past administration of a great conspiracy... 00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:42.231 ...to turn over the country to Communism. 00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:46.552 I was extremely shocked when I heard that Secretary Stevens... 00:40:47.040 --> 00:40:51.192 ...told 2 Army officers that they had to take part in the cover up... 00:40:51.680 --> 00:40:54.148 ...of those who promoted and coddled Communists. 00:40:54.360 --> 00:40:57.158 As I read his statement, I... 00:40:58.080 --> 00:41:00.958 ...thought of that quotation, "On what meat..." 00:41:01.680 --> 00:41:03.750 "...does this our Caesar feed?". 00:41:03.880 --> 00:41:04.835 The questions is: 00:41:04.920 --> 00:41:07.832 ...did the Civil Liberties Union supply you with an attorney? 00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:10.388 - They did supply an attorney. - The answer is yes? 00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:11.435 The answer is yes. 00:41:11.520 --> 00:41:14.159 Do you think this book did considerable harm? 00:41:14.360 --> 00:41:15.713 Its publication... 00:41:16.760 --> 00:41:19.354 ...by an expression of the views contained in it? 00:41:19.640 --> 00:41:22.837 The sale of that book was so abysmally small... 00:41:23.320 --> 00:41:27.518 ...it was so unsuccessful, that the question of its influence... 00:41:27.920 --> 00:41:29.672 You can go back to the publisher... 00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:33.275 ...you'll see it was one of the most unsuccessful books he ever put out. 00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:35.430 He's still sorry about it, just as I am. 00:41:35.720 --> 00:41:38.792 Well, I think that's a compliment to American intelligence. 00:41:39.640 --> 00:41:40.709 I'll say that. 00:41:41.360 --> 00:41:44.909 The Reed Harris hearing demonstrates one of the Senator's techniques. 00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:46.194 Twice he said... 00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:50.149 ...'The American Civil Liberties Union was listed as a subversive front." 00:41:50.240 --> 00:41:53.118 The Attorney General's list does not and never has listed... 00:41:53.200 --> 00:41:55.919 ...the ACLU as subversive, nor does the FBI... 00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:58.150 ...or any other federal government agency. 00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:01.472 And the American Civil Liberties Union holds in its files... 00:42:01.560 --> 00:42:04.074 ...letters of commendation from President Truman... 00:42:04.160 --> 00:42:06.674 ...President Eisenhower, and General MacArthur. 00:42:07.680 --> 00:42:11.958 Earlier, the Senator asked, "Upon what meat does this our Caesar feed?". 00:42:12.240 --> 00:42:14.834 Had he looked three lines earlier in Shakespeare's "Caesar"... 00:42:14.920 --> 00:42:18.356 ...he would have found this line, which is not altogether inappropriate. 00:42:18.440 --> 00:42:22.558 "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves." 00:42:23.240 --> 00:42:25.390 No one familiar with the history of this country... 00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:28.074 ...can deny that Congressional committees are useful. 00:42:28.160 --> 00:42:30.913 It is necessary to investigate before legislating... 00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:34.436 ...but the line between investigating and persecuting is a very fine one... 00:42:34.520 --> 00:42:38.229 ...and the junior Senator from Wisconsin has stepped over it repeatedly. 00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:40.868 We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. 00:42:41.440 --> 00:42:44.398 We must remember always that accusation is not proof... 00:42:44.680 --> 00:42:48.275 ...and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. 00:42:49.200 --> 00:42:51.395 We will not walk in fear, one of another. 00:42:51.480 --> 00:42:54.233 We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason... 00:42:54.320 --> 00:42:56.880 ...if we dig deep in our history and doctrine... 00:42:57.080 --> 00:43:00.231 ...and remember that we are not descended from fearful men... 00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:03.790 ...not from men who feared to write, to associate, to speak... 00:43:03.880 --> 00:43:07.156 ...and to defend the causes that were for the moment unpopular. 00:43:07.720 --> 00:43:10.951 This is no time for men who oppose Senator McCarthy's methods... 00:43:11.040 --> 00:43:13.508 ...to keep silent, or for those who approve. 00:43:14.200 --> 00:43:16.634 Wec an deny our heritage and our history... 00:43:16.720 --> 00:43:19.393 ...but we cannot escape responsibility for the results. 00:43:19.960 --> 00:43:22.155 We proclaim ourselves, indeed as we are... 00:43:22.240 --> 00:43:26.028 ...the defenders of freedom wherever it continues to exist in the world... 00:43:26.120 --> 00:43:29.476 ...but we cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home. 00:43:30.080 --> 00:43:32.310 The actions of the junior Senator from Wisconsin... 00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:35.278 ...have caused alarm and dismay amongst our allies abroad... 00:43:35.360 --> 00:43:37.794 ...and given considerable comfort to our enemies. 00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:41.198 And whose fault is that? Not really his. 00:43:41.640 --> 00:43:43.870 He didn't create this situation of fear... 00:43:44.120 --> 00:43:46.998 ...he merely exploited it, and rather successfully. 00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:49.754 Cassius was right. 00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:54.478 "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves." 00:43:55.440 --> 00:43:57.431 Good night, and good luck. 00:44:04.840 --> 00:44:05.909 And we're out. 00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:19.989 Nothing? 00:44:23.080 --> 00:44:24.513 Maybe nobody watched. 00:44:29.400 --> 00:44:31.675 - We got nothing. - I don't know. - Nothing. 00:44:32.160 --> 00:44:34.628 Should I turn the phones back on, Mr. Williams? 00:44:36.080 --> 00:44:38.355 Yes. Now would be a good time for that. 00:44:39.080 --> 00:44:41.150 Turn the phones on! Turn the pho... 00:44:41.880 --> 00:44:43.438 Mr. Friendly wants the phones on. 00:44:43.520 --> 00:44:45.192 It's the Junior Senator calling collect. 00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:48.397 Don't kid yourself. It's Reed Harris thanking us for mentioning him. 00:44:48.480 --> 00:44:51.358 I don't know whether all of you have seen what I just saw... 00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:54.034 ...but I want to associate myself and this program... 00:44:54.120 --> 00:44:55.678 ...with what Ed Murrow has just said... 00:44:55.760 --> 00:44:58.399 ...and say I have never been prouder of CBS. 00:45:01.160 --> 00:45:05.073 Senator McCarthy said today that he would demand equal free television... 00:45:09.680 --> 00:45:13.434 Stevenson had charged that the Senator made demagoguery and deceit... 00:45:13.680 --> 00:45:15.398 ...the national policy... 00:45:17.960 --> 00:45:20.030 - Is that Hollenbeck? - Congratulations! 00:45:20.120 --> 00:45:21.109 Great show! 00:45:21.920 --> 00:45:23.148 Feel like a Scotch? 00:45:23.720 --> 00:45:25.711 I think everybody could use a Scotch. 00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:18.352 - It's 3:30, early editions are out. - I'm not worried about that. 00:46:18.440 --> 00:46:20.032 Of course not. Shirley, honey... 00:46:20.120 --> 00:46:22.953 ...would you go across the street and get the early editions? 00:46:23.040 --> 00:46:24.917 - All of them? - Just get O'Brian! 00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:29.271 - Hey, watch my drink! - Yeah. 00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:02.072 Okay. Here we go. 00:47:02.640 --> 00:47:05.438 - At last! - The Times. - The Times... 00:47:05.560 --> 00:47:06.549 - First? - Good. 00:47:07.200 --> 00:47:08.952 - Who wrote it? - Jack Gould. 00:47:09.480 --> 00:47:10.754 Gould... 00:47:11.240 --> 00:47:14.596 Edward R. Murrows television program on Senator Joseph R. McCarthy... 00:47:14.680 --> 00:47:18.355 ...was an exciting and provocative examination of the man and his methods. 00:47:18.440 --> 00:47:21.830 It was crusading journalism of high responsibility and courage. 00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:24.559 For TV so often plagued by timidity and hesitation... 00:47:24.640 --> 00:47:28.269 ...the program was a milestone that reflected enlightened citizenship. 00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:29.594 The program... Hold on! 00:47:29.680 --> 00:47:32.353 The program was no less an indictment of those who wish... 00:47:32.440 --> 00:47:35.398 ...the problems posed by the Senator's tactics and theatrics... 00:47:35.480 --> 00:47:37.391 ...would just go away and leave them alone. 00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:40.313 That was Mr. Murrows and television's triumph... 00:47:40.400 --> 00:47:41.879 ...and a very great one. 00:47:45.120 --> 00:47:46.189 Here! Here! 00:47:46.360 --> 00:47:48.396 - He hated it. - Yeah. What's his beef? 00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:50.797 Send the New YorkTimes abottle of Scotch. 00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:52.836 I already did. How do you think we got that review? 00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:54.797 - How's the Post? - Pretty good! 00:47:55.480 --> 00:47:57.391 - What about O'Brian? - Uh, the same. 00:47:58.840 --> 00:48:01.752 - Goon, read O'Brian! - I don't have it. 00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:03.239 - Got it. - Oh. Here. 00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:07.197 - There we go. - Shirley, that... 00:48:10.680 --> 00:48:14.116 We can't say we were surprised at Murrows "Hate McCarthy" telecast... 00:48:14.200 --> 00:48:17.033 ...last evening, when his explosively one-sided propaganda... 00:48:17.120 --> 00:48:20.317 ...edited with deviously clever selectivity from McCarthy's march... 00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:22.709 ...against Communism, was finished last evening... 00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:26.076 ...by equally Machiavellian coincidence the following telecast... 00:48:26.160 --> 00:48:29.038 ...featured Murrow's PM protege, Hollenbeck. 00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:32.035 In an obviously gloating mood, Hollenbeck... 00:48:32.120 --> 00:48:35.430 ...hoped viewers had witnessed his patron's triumph... 00:48:35.520 --> 00:48:36.794 ...from and for the Left. 00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:39.069 Soon. Soon... 00:48:39.160 --> 00:48:41.196 Shirley, it's okay. Go ahead, finish it. 00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:44.317 - No, that's it. That's it. - Shirley, please, finish it. 00:48:47.360 --> 00:48:51.831 The CBS has been in a lengthy "clean house of Lefties" mood. 00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:53.558 The worst offenders on lesser levels... 00:48:53.640 --> 00:48:55.756 ...have been quietly pushed out of the company. 00:48:55.840 --> 00:48:59.628 Don Hollenbeck, a graduate of the demised pinko publication PM... 00:48:59.720 --> 00:49:03.349 ...attacked conservative papers with sly and slanted propaganda. 00:49:03.440 --> 00:49:05.670 He then proceeded through an equally... 00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:09.158 ...tilted review of the day's events... 00:49:09.240 --> 00:49:12.471 ...with McCarthy dominating his words, actions, attitudes. 00:49:13.400 --> 00:49:14.355 Soon. 00:49:17.040 --> 00:49:19.838 - It's O'Brian. - He didn't get the Scotch, that's all. 00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:23.192 - Is it grammatically correct? - I'll have that cigarette, Ed. 00:49:24.680 --> 00:49:27.592 - Thanks, Shirley. - Oh. - Mmh. - Thank you. 00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:29.955 Joe... Shirley... 00:49:34.680 --> 00:49:35.908 It doesn't matter. 00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:42.029 To Jack Gould! 00:49:43.120 --> 00:49:45.873 - To Jack! To Jack! To Jack Gould! - To Jack Gould! 00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:46.915 I love Jack Gould! 00:49:48.800 --> 00:49:50.279 May he rest in peace. 00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:55.119 - Hello, Jimmy. - Fred, congratulations! - Thank you. 00:49:55.880 --> 00:49:58.155 I got such a hangover to go along with the ulcer. 00:49:58.240 --> 00:50:00.037 All the adguys on the 3rd floor watched the show. 00:50:00.120 --> 00:50:02.031 Got a good review in the New York Times. Jack Gould. 00:50:02.120 --> 00:50:03.439 We're putting out a press release... 00:50:03.520 --> 00:50:06.273 ...saying that calls came in 15 to 1 in favor of the show. - Really? 00:50:06.360 --> 00:50:08.635 - Yeah. - 15 to 1? - We got calls from everywhere. 00:50:08.920 --> 00:50:12.117 - East Coast or West Coast? - Yeah. Kansas City, Cincinnati... 00:50:13.080 --> 00:50:14.149 Mr. Paley... 00:50:15.200 --> 00:50:17.270 - Morning, Fred. - Morning, Mr. Paley. 00:50:22.120 --> 00:50:23.155 How's your wife? 00:50:23.600 --> 00:50:25.670 She's fine. We're getting ready to move. 00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:28.718 - Really? Where to? - Riverdale. We found a nice house there. 00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:29.755 It's nice there. 00:50:30.560 --> 00:50:31.595 Yes, sir. 00:50:38.360 --> 00:50:39.315 Excuse me. 00:50:39.520 --> 00:50:43.195 Fred! McCarthy wants William Buckey to do his rebuttal. 00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:45.435 I said no. 00:50:47.160 --> 00:50:48.149 Yes, sir. 00:50:54.280 --> 00:50:55.235 Hey, Johnny! 00:50:55.480 --> 00:50:57.630 - Radulovich has been reinstated. - What?! 00:50:57.720 --> 00:51:00.359 Radulovich... Guys! Radulovich has been reinstated. 00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:02.237 - Jesse! Jesse! - Where is Ed? 00:51:02.320 --> 00:51:04.754 - He's in the bullpen. Why? What's going on? - Jess! 00:51:04.840 --> 00:51:06.273 Got some very good news. 00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:09.838 Special announcement from the Secretary of the Air Force! 00:51:09.920 --> 00:51:11.876 Fellas! Listen up! Everyone! 00:51:12.680 --> 00:51:14.750 I have decided that it is consistent... 00:51:14.840 --> 00:51:17.479 ...with the interests of the National Security to retain... 00:51:17.560 --> 00:51:20.711 ...Lieutenant Radulovich in the United States Air Force. Stop. 00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:24.077 He is not, in my opinion, a security risk. Fullstop. 00:51:26.600 --> 00:51:30.070 There you go. Harold E. Talbott, Secretary from the Air Force. 00:51:30.720 --> 00:51:31.675 Great job! 00:51:31.760 --> 00:51:33.591 - Make a copy of that for me! - I will do, Fred! 00:51:33.680 --> 00:51:35.557 Back to work, guys! We got a lot of work to do. 00:51:35.640 --> 00:51:36.834 This means something. 00:51:36.920 --> 00:51:38.433 - Good news, huh? - Congratulations! 00:51:38.520 --> 00:51:42.399 - This absolutely means something. - Absolutely. This is the start of... 00:51:49.120 --> 00:51:50.075 Palmer! 00:51:53.040 --> 00:51:54.996 The CBS lawyers wanna talk to you. 00:51:58.440 --> 00:51:59.429 When? 00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:01.069 Tomorrow. 00:52:01.960 --> 00:52:05.191 I don't want you to get paranoid, they're talking to everybody. 00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:06.269 Any ideas? 00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:09.358 Just tell them what you know. 00:52:09.440 --> 00:52:12.034 - Now is that testimony true? - No, sir, it is not. 00:52:12.120 --> 00:52:15.192 Not at any time have I been a member of the Communist Party... 00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:17.510 ...and I have never seen a Communist card. 00:52:17.600 --> 00:52:19.830 - You've never seen a Communist card? - That's right. 00:52:19.920 --> 00:52:21.797 Have you ever attended any Communist meetings? 00:52:21.880 --> 00:52:23.438 No, sir, never. 00:52:23.520 --> 00:52:25.670 Have you ever subscribed to The Daily Worker? 00:52:25.760 --> 00:52:29.389 No, sir. I didn't subscribe to it and I wouldn't pay for it. 00:52:30.160 --> 00:52:35.154 Uh... Now, Mrs. Markward, who was working for the FBI... 00:52:35.840 --> 00:52:39.037 ...who joined the Communist Party under orders from the FBI... 00:52:39.160 --> 00:52:42.197 ...has testified that while she never met you personally... 00:52:42.400 --> 00:52:45.472 ...at a Communist meeting that your name was on the list... 00:52:45.560 --> 00:52:47.630 ...of Communists who were paying dues. 00:52:48.120 --> 00:52:50.759 Uh... Can you shed any light upon that? 00:52:51.600 --> 00:52:54.353 No, sir. I don't even know what the dues are... 00:52:54.520 --> 00:52:57.876 ...or where they were paid. - So you have never paid any money... 00:52:58.880 --> 00:53:00.632 ...to the Communist Party. 00:53:01.360 --> 00:53:02.998 - Is that correct? - That's right. 00:53:03.160 --> 00:53:05.196 You've never paid any dues, payment... 00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:06.872 Thank you very much, Leo! 00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:09.512 Good work, Joe, Charlie. 00:53:10.120 --> 00:53:11.394 Now what is the show? 00:53:11.480 --> 00:53:14.119 Is it defending Annie Lee Moss as not being a Communist? 00:53:14.200 --> 00:53:16.668 - Or is ither Constitutional rights? - Both. - The latter. 00:53:16.760 --> 00:53:19.115 We're much better sticking out the Constitutional issues. 00:53:19.200 --> 00:53:20.838 - Agreed? - The woman is not a Communist spy. 00:53:20.920 --> 00:53:23.434 Joe McCarthy said that they have a spy in the Pentagon... 00:53:23.520 --> 00:53:25.158 ...that spy has gotten into the code room... 00:53:25.240 --> 00:53:26.912 ...and that that spy is Annie Lee Moss. 00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:29.389 I've got New York Times reports. McCarthy asserts he has... 00:53:29.480 --> 00:53:32.199 ...a new red link to Army. Quote, "Senator McCarthy charged today..." 00:53:32.280 --> 00:53:34.714 "...that the Army now employs a woman in its code room..." 00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:37.268 "...who was, and still may be, an active Communist." 00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:38.793 It's the front page of the New York Times. 00:53:38.880 --> 00:53:42.395 No sooner is he done chastising the other committee members for wanting... 00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:45.313 ...to push into the afternoon, than what? Seven questions in... 00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:46.958 ...he ducks out, leaves... - Right. 00:53:47.040 --> 00:53:49.918 - Heleaves. - It's all over the headlines, all over the country. 00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:51.513 Get me copies from any newspaper... 00:53:51.600 --> 00:53:53.158 ...that printed anything about that assertion. 00:53:53.240 --> 00:53:56.437 That's a good idea. You should get the Cincinnati Inquirer. 00:53:56.520 --> 00:53:59.432 - Chicago. - Couple other pieces I think we should include. 00:53:59.520 --> 00:54:02.512 The fact that there's 3 Annie Lee Moss's in the phone book. 00:54:02.600 --> 00:54:05.512 There are 2 Robert Halls, one's colored, one's white. 00:54:05.600 --> 00:54:07.431 We have some footage of the empty chair. 00:54:07.520 --> 00:54:10.557 I think that says it all. Just that picture of McCarthy not... 00:54:10.640 --> 00:54:13.359 McCarthy leaving the hearing after 7 questions... 00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:15.510 ...and then we'll cut to the shot of thechair. 00:54:15.600 --> 00:54:18.160 - We gotta do something about it. - All right, so... 00:54:18.240 --> 00:54:21.949 Excuse me. Mr. Murrow! McCarthy wants April 6th. 00:54:25.600 --> 00:54:26.828 Thank you, Natalie. 00:54:31.280 --> 00:54:34.397 Fine. If Charlie shoots it, we get to see it first. We should offer. 00:54:34.480 --> 00:54:36.948 - It's a long shot. - What the hell could McCarthy do? 00:54:37.040 --> 00:54:39.429 Is he gonna debate himself? We just used his words! 00:54:42.640 --> 00:54:44.756 Johnny! Johnny! We know what it's going to be. 00:54:44.840 --> 00:54:47.718 He's going to come after me. There's nothing more he can do. 00:54:47.800 --> 00:54:50.189 He's gonna bet that a Senator trumps a newsman. 00:54:51.080 --> 00:54:52.069 He'll lose. 00:54:52.480 --> 00:54:54.038 Not if we're playing bridge. 00:54:55.680 --> 00:54:58.433 - I'm sorry, guys. I didn't mean to interrupt. - Hey, Don. 00:54:58.520 --> 00:55:00.590 - It's getting fun now! - Ed, you have aminute? 00:55:01.040 --> 00:55:04.510 - Yes, I'll be right there. - All right, boys. Playtime's over. 00:55:04.880 --> 00:55:06.199 We have 4 days... 00:55:06.440 --> 00:55:08.829 ...to do a 29 minute show. - Yeah. - All right. 00:55:08.920 --> 00:55:10.319 All right, go ahead. Hi, Mary. 00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:12.038 Hello, Mr. Hollenbeck. Mr. Murrow... 00:55:12.120 --> 00:55:13.872 - Could you give us a moment? - Sure. 00:55:15.680 --> 00:55:16.715 Thank you, dear. 00:55:18.400 --> 00:55:20.994 I have to ask you something, Ed. It's about O'Brian. 00:55:21.080 --> 00:55:22.911 - O'Brian doesn'tmatter. - He's killing me, Ed. 00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:24.718 He doesn't amount to that much in the newsroom. 00:55:24.800 --> 00:55:26.153 We've got to let that guy have it. 00:55:26.240 --> 00:55:29.391 We're not going after O'Brian. I will not take on McCarthy and Hearst. 00:55:29.480 --> 00:55:30.708 I can't defeat them both. 00:55:31.760 --> 00:55:34.911 Just don't read the papers. Or don't read O'Brian, anyway. 00:55:39.920 --> 00:55:42.115 Okay. I guess not. 00:55:43.360 --> 00:55:44.395 Sorry, Don. 00:55:57.920 --> 00:55:59.717 Although Mrs. Moss offered to testify... 00:55:59.800 --> 00:56:02.792 ...Senator McCarthy suggested that she was too sick. 00:56:02.880 --> 00:56:06.429 - She agreed... - Mr. Cohn wanted to know about Mrs. Moss's connection... 00:56:06.520 --> 00:56:10.035 ...to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth... 00:56:10.120 --> 00:56:11.235 ...so help you God? 00:56:14.880 --> 00:56:17.440 May we get your full name for the record, please? 00:56:17.800 --> 00:56:19.074 Annie Lee Moss. 00:56:20.160 --> 00:56:21.752 - M-O-S-S? - That's right. 00:56:22.080 --> 00:56:25.197 Mrs. Moss, let me say for the record, for your information... 00:56:25.280 --> 00:56:27.396 ...for the information of your counsel... 00:56:27.880 --> 00:56:29.757 ...that you are not here because... 00:56:31.040 --> 00:56:35.875 ...you are considered important in the Communist apparatus. 00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:39.356 We have the testimony that you are, and have been, a Communist. 00:56:40.520 --> 00:56:43.751 We are rather curious, however, to kno whow you suddenly... 00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:46.353 ...were shifted from... 00:56:48.200 --> 00:56:51.112 ...a worker in a cafeteria to the code room. 00:56:51.400 --> 00:56:54.551 I am today much more interested... 00:56:55.280 --> 00:56:58.829 ...in the handling of your case... 00:56:59.560 --> 00:57:02.632 ...by your superiors than in your own personal activities. 00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:06.993 However, counsel will question you about your own activities also. 00:57:07.320 --> 00:57:10.278 - Mr. Chairman! - We will not hear from counsel. 00:57:10.840 --> 00:57:12.751 You have been told what the rule is. 00:57:13.040 --> 00:57:15.952 If you have anything to say, say it through your client. 00:57:19.480 --> 00:57:23.075 Chairman. Did you begin work at the General Accounting Office in... 00:57:23.920 --> 00:57:26.036 ...1945? - Yes, sir. 00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:30.953 And, prior to that time, had you been a cafeteria worker? 00:57:31.040 --> 00:57:32.314 Yes, I had. 00:57:32.600 --> 00:57:36.752 I see. While in the Pentagon, since 1950... 00:57:37.080 --> 00:57:39.719 ...have you had any connections with coded messages? 00:57:39.800 --> 00:57:41.677 Have you ever handled coded messages? 00:57:42.720 --> 00:57:45.154 - No more than to transmit 'em. - Pardon me? 00:57:45.440 --> 00:57:47.556 No more than to transmit the message. 00:57:47.640 --> 00:57:49.915 Than to transmit them? Did you transmit codes? 00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:52.594 To receive or transmit messages was all I had to do. 00:57:52.680 --> 00:57:55.194 And I've never been into a courtroom in my life. 00:57:55.720 --> 00:57:56.948 Do you know the... 00:57:58.880 --> 00:58:00.472 ...type of classification... 00:58:00.560 --> 00:58:04.553 - Do you know if they were secret, top secret, confidential? - No, sir. 00:58:04.800 --> 00:58:08.031 - You wouldn't know the degree of classification? - No, sir. 00:58:08.440 --> 00:58:09.429 I see. 00:58:10.640 --> 00:58:13.632 I'm afraid I'm going to have to excuse myself, I've got... 00:58:14.760 --> 00:58:18.639 ...a rather important appointment to work on right now... 00:58:18.720 --> 00:58:22.793 ...and I wonder if, Senator Mundt, you would takeover as Chairman? 00:58:27.560 --> 00:58:29.039 - Chairman. Uh... - Cohn. 00:58:29.120 --> 00:58:32.032 I have no further questions of this witness at this time. 00:58:32.120 --> 00:58:36.079 We have the testimony of Mrs. Markward, the undercover agent for the FBI... 00:58:36.360 --> 00:58:39.750 ...stating that Annie Lee Moss was a member, a dues-paying member... 00:58:39.840 --> 00:58:41.512 ...of the Communist Party... 00:58:41.960 --> 00:58:44.155 ...the Northeast Club of the Communist Party. 00:58:44.240 --> 00:58:47.437 We have corroboration of that testimony by another... 00:58:48.400 --> 00:58:50.550 ...witness who was called before the Committee... 00:58:50.640 --> 00:58:52.392 ...and gave a sworn statement to the effect... 00:58:52.480 --> 00:58:55.040 ...that she also knew Mrs. Moss as a member... 00:58:55.120 --> 00:58:57.076 ...of the Northeast Club of the Communist Party. 00:58:57.160 --> 00:59:01.233 She's already lost her job. She's been suspended because of this action. 00:59:01.960 --> 00:59:05.350 I'm not defending her. If she's a Communist, I want her exposed. 00:59:05.680 --> 00:59:09.195 But to make these statements as we've got corroborating evidence... 00:59:09.640 --> 00:59:12.677 ...that she is a Communist, under these circumstances... 00:59:12.760 --> 00:59:16.230 ...I think she's entitled to have it produced here in her presence... 00:59:16.400 --> 00:59:19.551 ...and let the public know about it and let her know about it. 00:59:22.840 --> 00:59:25.991 I don't like to try people by hearsay evidence. 00:59:27.320 --> 00:59:29.959 I'd like to get the witnesses here and try them... 00:59:31.600 --> 00:59:33.238 ...by testimony, under oath. 00:59:33.520 --> 00:59:36.956 The Chair will rule that the comment of Mr. Cohn... 00:59:37.040 --> 00:59:38.598 ...be stricken from the record. 00:59:38.840 --> 00:59:41.274 I didnt ask that, Mr. Chairman! 00:59:41.360 --> 00:59:43.874 ...whether we should try to produce a witness in public... 00:59:43.960 --> 00:59:47.032 ...because the FBI may have her undercover and we don't want to... 00:59:47.120 --> 00:59:51.477 You can't strike these statements made by counsel here as to evidence... 00:59:51.560 --> 00:59:55.599 ...that we're having and withholding. You cannot strike that from the press... 00:59:55.680 --> 01:00:00.595 ...nor from the public mind once it's planted there. That's the... 01:00:02.440 --> 01:00:03.714 ...evil of it! 01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:07.072 - Well, I'd look at it... - I don't think it's fair to a witness... 01:00:07.160 --> 01:00:08.559 ...to a citizen of this country... 01:00:08.640 --> 01:00:10.631 ...to bring them up here and cross-examine them... 01:00:10.720 --> 01:00:12.073 ...then when they get through, say... 01:00:12.160 --> 01:00:14.993 ..."The FBI has got something on you that condemns you." 01:00:15.080 --> 01:00:17.674 - The Chair agrees... - It is not sworn testimony... 01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:21.230 ...it's convicting people by rumor and hearsay and innuendo. 01:00:22.840 --> 01:00:26.310 You will notice that neither Senator McClellan or Senator Symington... 01:00:26.400 --> 01:00:30.552 ...nor this reporter know or claim that Mrs. Moss was or is a Communist. 01:00:31.160 --> 01:00:35.440 They simply claimed that she had the right to meet her accusers face to face. 01:00:49.760 --> 01:00:53.673 One month ago tonight we presented a report on Senator Joseph R. McCarthy. 01:00:54.080 --> 01:00:55.798 We labeled it as controversial. 01:00:56.320 --> 01:00:59.835 Most of that report consisted of words and pictures of the Senator. 01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:01.879 At that time, we said... 01:01:02.040 --> 01:01:05.794 ..."If theSenator believes we havedone violence to his words or pictures..." 01:01:05.880 --> 01:01:08.348 "...if he desires to speak, to answer himself..." 01:01:08.440 --> 01:01:11.432 "...an opportunity would be afforded him on this program." 01:01:11.720 --> 01:01:15.269 The Senator sought the opportunity after 3 weeks... 01:01:15.360 --> 01:01:19.273 ...because he was very busy and wished adequate time to prepare his reply. 01:01:19.800 --> 01:01:20.789 We agreed. 01:01:21.280 --> 01:01:25.273 We placed no restrictions on the manner of the presentation of his reply... 01:01:25.400 --> 01:01:28.358 ...and we suggested that we would not take time to comment... 01:01:28.440 --> 01:01:30.112 ...on this particular program. 01:01:30.640 --> 01:01:34.428 Here now is Senator Joseph R. McCarthy, junior Senator from Wisconsin. 01:01:35.800 --> 01:01:41.875 Good evening. Mr. Edward R. Murrow, Educational Director of the CBS... 01:01:42.840 --> 01:01:45.070 ...devoted his program to an attack... 01:01:45.160 --> 01:01:48.232 ...on the work ofthe US Senate Investigating Committee... 01:01:48.640 --> 01:01:50.756 ...and on me personally as its Chairman. 01:01:51.560 --> 01:01:55.030 Now, over the past 4 years, he has made repeated attacks upon me... 01:01:55.480 --> 01:01:57.198 ...and those fighting Communists. 01:01:58.560 --> 01:02:01.632 Of course, neither Joe McCarthy nor Edward R. Murrow... 01:02:02.280 --> 01:02:05.078 ...is of any great importance as individuals. 01:02:06.120 --> 01:02:07.553 We are only important... 01:02:07.880 --> 01:02:11.759 ...in our relation to the great struggle to preserve our American liberties. 01:02:12.200 --> 01:02:16.716 Now ordinarily, I wouldnt take time out from the important work at hand... 01:02:17.440 --> 01:02:18.634 ...to answer Murrow. 01:02:19.120 --> 01:02:20.599 However, in this case... 01:02:20.680 --> 01:02:24.309 ...I feel justified in doing so because Murrow is the symbol... 01:02:25.040 --> 01:02:26.075 ...the leader... 01:02:26.360 --> 01:02:31.275 ...and the cleverest of the jackal pack which is always found at the throat... 01:02:31.680 --> 01:02:35.559 ...of anyone who dares to expose individual Communists and traitors. 01:02:36.680 --> 01:02:38.557 And I am compelled by the fact... 01:02:38.960 --> 01:02:41.349 ...to say to you that Mr. Edward R. Murrow... 01:02:41.920 --> 01:02:44.354 ...as far back as 20 years ago... 01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:48.276 ...was engaged in propaganda for Communist causes. 01:02:49.440 --> 01:02:52.352 For example, the Institute of International Education... 01:02:52.560 --> 01:02:54.710 ...of which he was the Acting Director... 01:02:55.280 --> 01:02:58.113 ...was chosen to act as a representative... 01:02:58.480 --> 01:03:00.072 ...by a Soviet agency... 01:03:01.160 --> 01:03:06.359 ...to do a job which would normally be done by the Russian secret police. 01:03:07.240 --> 01:03:10.755 Mr. Murrow, by his own admission, was a member of the IWW... 01:03:10.840 --> 01:03:13.274 ...that's the Industrial Workers of the World... 01:03:13.360 --> 01:03:16.033 ...a terrorist organization cited as subversive... 01:03:16.600 --> 01:03:18.989 ...by an Attorney General of the United States. 01:03:19.160 --> 01:03:22.357 Mr. Murrow said on this program and I quote... 01:03:23.120 --> 01:03:26.669 ..."The actions of the junior Senator from Wisconsin..." 01:03:27.960 --> 01:03:31.839 "...have given considerable comfort to the enemy." 01:03:32.440 --> 01:03:36.194 That is the language of our statute of treason, rather strong language. 01:03:36.920 --> 01:03:42.040 If I am giving comfort to our enemies, I ought not to be in the Senate. 01:03:42.360 --> 01:03:44.191 If, on the other hand, Mr. Murrow... 01:03:44.640 --> 01:03:46.631 ...is giving comfort to our enemies... 01:03:46.880 --> 01:03:49.235 ...he ought not to be brought into the homes... 01:03:49.440 --> 01:03:52.876 ...of millions of Americans by the CBS. 01:03:53.000 --> 01:03:54.399 And I want to assure you... 01:03:55.480 --> 01:03:58.358 ...that I will not be deterred... 01:03:59.080 --> 01:04:04.677 ...by the attacks of the Murrows, the Lattimores, the Fosters... 01:04:05.440 --> 01:04:09.228 ...The Daily Worker or the Communist Party itself. 01:04:11.320 --> 01:04:14.312 And I make no claim to leadership. 01:04:16.520 --> 01:04:18.033 Incomplete humility... 01:04:19.800 --> 01:04:23.759 ...I do ask you and every American who loves this country... 01:04:24.440 --> 01:04:25.998 ...to join with me. 01:04:52.920 --> 01:04:54.911 [Everyone talks about the weather.] 01:04:55.720 --> 01:04:58.439 [Wherever you look on America's modern farms...] 01:04:58.720 --> 01:05:02.998 [... aluminum is on the job, helping the farmer do something about the weather.] 01:05:03.840 --> 01:05:06.957 [Aluminum for the farm is one more example of how Alcoa...] 01:05:07.040 --> 01:05:08.359 [... since 1999...] 01:05:08.680 --> 01:05:12.355 [... has continued to pioneer new uses for this vital metal.] 01:05:12.920 --> 01:05:16.879 [New uses of aluminum that mean better farms and better farming.] 01:05:17.480 --> 01:05:20.995 The aluminum from the nation's first and leading producer...] 01:05:21.560 --> 01:05:24.870 [... Alcoa, Aluminum Company of America.] 01:05:25.360 --> 01:05:27.749 Last week, Senator McCarthy appeared on this program... 01:05:27.840 --> 01:05:30.229 ...to correct any errors he might have thought we made... 01:05:30.320 --> 01:05:31.833 ...in our report of March 9th. 01:05:31.920 --> 01:05:35.196 Since he made no reference to any statements of fact that we made... 01:05:35.280 --> 01:05:37.919 ...we must conclude that he found no errors of fact. 01:05:38.800 --> 01:05:41.189 He proved again that anyone who exposes him... 01:05:41.280 --> 01:05:45.717 ...anyone who doesn't share his disregard for decency and human dignity... 01:05:45.840 --> 01:05:48.229 ...and the rights guaranteed by the Constitution... 01:05:48.320 --> 01:05:50.914 ...must be either a Communist or a fellow traveler. 01:05:51.480 --> 01:05:53.198 I fully expected this treatment. 01:05:53.960 --> 01:05:57.270 The Senator added this reporter's name to a long list of individuals... 01:05:57.360 --> 01:06:00.716 ...and institutions he has accused of serving the Communist cause. 01:06:01.080 --> 01:06:02.752 His proposition is very simple: 01:06:03.080 --> 01:06:06.436 ...anyone who criticizes or opposes Senator McCarthy's methods... 01:06:06.640 --> 01:06:07.993 ...must be a Communist. 01:06:08.680 --> 01:06:12.275 And if that be true, there are an awful lot of Communists in the USA. 01:06:12.920 --> 01:06:16.390 For the record, let's consider briefly some of the Senator's charges. 01:06:16.480 --> 01:06:18.471 He claimed, but offered no proof... 01:06:18.560 --> 01:06:21.757 ...that I had been a member of the Industrial Workers of the World. 01:06:21.840 --> 01:06:22.955 That is false. 01:06:23.560 --> 01:06:27.155 I was never a member ofthe IWW, never applied for membership. 01:06:28.240 --> 01:06:30.708 The Senator charged that Professor Harold Laski... 01:06:30.800 --> 01:06:33.712 ...a British scholar and politician, dedicated a book to me. 01:06:33.800 --> 01:06:34.835 That's true. 01:06:35.120 --> 01:06:38.430 He is dead. He was a socialist, I am not. 01:06:39.440 --> 01:06:41.078 He was a civilized individual... 01:06:41.160 --> 01:06:44.277 ...who did not insist upon agreement with his political principles... 01:06:44.360 --> 01:06:47.079 ...as a pre-condition for conversation or friendship. 01:06:47.480 --> 01:06:49.630 I do not agree with his political ideas. 01:06:50.520 --> 01:06:52.909 I ask, as he makes clear in the introduction... 01:06:53.000 --> 01:06:56.310 ...dedicated the book to me, not because of political agreement... 01:06:56.400 --> 01:07:00.075 ...but because he held my wartime broadcast from London in high regard. 01:07:00.560 --> 01:07:02.198 And the dedication so reads. 01:07:03.720 --> 01:07:06.075 I believed 20 years ago and I believe today... 01:07:06.520 --> 01:07:09.990 ...that mature Americans can engage in conversation and controversy... 01:07:10.080 --> 01:07:13.197 ...the clash of ideas, with Communists anywhere in the world... 01:07:13.280 --> 01:07:15.714 ...without becoming contaminated or converted. 01:07:16.480 --> 01:07:18.948 I believe that our faith, our conviction... 01:07:19.320 --> 01:07:21.709 ...our determination are stronger than theirs... 01:07:22.000 --> 01:07:26.232 ...and that we can successfully compete, not only in the area of bombs... 01:07:26.680 --> 01:07:28.432 ...but in the area of ideas. 01:07:30.600 --> 01:07:33.160 I have worked with CBS for more than 19 years. 01:07:33.520 --> 01:07:37.115 The company has subscribed fully to my integrity and responsibility... 01:07:37.200 --> 01:07:39.509 ...as a broadcaster and as a loyal American. 01:07:40.320 --> 01:07:43.630 I require no lectures from the junior Senator from Wisconsin... 01:07:43.720 --> 01:07:46.234 ...as to the dangers or terrors of Communism. 01:07:47.320 --> 01:07:49.595 Having searched my conscience and my files... 01:07:49.680 --> 01:07:52.592 ...I cannot contend that I have always been right or wise... 01:07:52.680 --> 01:07:55.672 ...but I have attempted to pursue thet ruth with diligence... 01:07:55.760 --> 01:07:56.829 ...and to report it... 01:07:56.920 --> 01:07:59.878 ...even though, as in this case, I had been warned in advance... 01:07:59.960 --> 01:08:03.350 ...that I would be subjected to the attentions of Senator McCarthy. 01:08:04.280 --> 01:08:08.239 We shall hope to deal with matters of more vital interest next week. 01:08:09.040 --> 01:08:10.632 Good night, and good luck. 01:08:18.040 --> 01:08:21.669 In the last analysis, the Senator was perched on the television high dive... 01:08:21.760 --> 01:08:23.955 ...and all prepared to make a resounding splash. 01:08:24.040 --> 01:08:26.634 He jumped beautifully, but he neglected to check first... 01:08:26.720 --> 01:08:29.393 ...where he was going to land. It must have been a shock... 01:08:29.480 --> 01:08:32.836 ...to discover that Mr. Murrow had drained the water out of the pool. 01:08:33.680 --> 01:08:36.148 - Is that the Times? Gould? - Yeah, it's Jack Gould. 01:08:36.240 --> 01:08:38.231 - He's a hell of a writer. - Yes, he is. 01:08:38.840 --> 01:08:41.400 - If we can afford him! - Stanton's got a public opinion... 01:08:41.480 --> 01:08:42.993 Senate's investigating McCarthy. 01:08:44.040 --> 01:08:45.029 What? 01:08:45.160 --> 01:08:48.630 The Army's charging that McCarthy and Cohn exercised undue pressure... 01:08:48.720 --> 01:08:51.951 ...to get preferential treatment for Schine. - Who's the source? 01:08:52.040 --> 01:08:55.919 - Got a second source? - There isn't, but this is coming out in 2 hours. 01:08:56.000 --> 01:08:59.197 - Who's heading up the investigation? - It's not gonna be McCarthy! 01:08:59.280 --> 01:09:00.998 - Really? - What happened? 01:09:01.160 --> 01:09:03.913 - Also get me the Washington Post! - What's going on? 01:09:04.000 --> 01:09:05.433 It's Williams for Jack Thompson. 01:09:05.520 --> 01:09:07.238 The Senate's investigating McCarthy. 01:09:08.040 --> 01:09:10.076 There is an added bit of comedy to this whole story. 01:09:10.160 --> 01:09:12.071 The Committee cannot convene for several days... 01:09:12.160 --> 01:09:14.799 ...because Senator McCarthy has a slight case of laryngitis. 01:09:14.880 --> 01:09:18.589 And he must recover over the desert air of Arizona. 01:09:21.760 --> 01:09:25.150 - But Stevens is going after him and it looks like Joe Welch. - Yeah. 01:09:25.240 --> 01:09:27.549 They're gonna allow each side to call witnesses... 01:09:27.640 --> 01:09:29.392 ...and be privy to other testimony. 01:09:29.680 --> 01:09:33.389 - Fred, we still have a meeting! - We're gonna go to talk toThompson. 01:09:35.840 --> 01:09:37.273 No, thanks, Jack. Bye. 01:09:38.120 --> 01:09:40.953 Freddy, we're a hit. Right up there with "Howdy Dowdy"! 01:09:42.200 --> 01:09:44.111 Can I have an outlet satellite, please? 01:09:45.880 --> 01:09:52.228 - 74, 76,47. Thank you. - Murrayville3, 1-2-7-6. 01:10:11.440 --> 01:10:14.432 The fact of newscaster Don Hollenbeck's suicide yesterday... 01:10:14.520 --> 01:10:18.308 ...does not remove from the record that peculiar history... 01:10:19.000 --> 01:10:23.835 ...of the leftist slanting of news indulged consistently by the CBS. 01:10:25.160 --> 01:10:28.277 Hollenbeck was what most astute students of CBS's strange... 01:10:28.600 --> 01:10:30.830 ...and questionable new methods considered... 01:10:30.920 --> 01:10:36.278 ..."typical of its newscasters". By Jack O'Brian. 01:12:06.640 --> 01:12:08.596 Oh, yeah. I like it like that. 01:12:10.760 --> 01:12:14.514 One of the best programs I ever heard was called "CBS Views The Press". 01:12:15.200 --> 01:12:17.555 A great many people liked it, some didn't... 01:12:17.920 --> 01:12:20.434 ...but noone ever called it anything but honest. 01:12:20.840 --> 01:12:24.469 It was the work of an honest reporter. Don Hollenbeck. 01:12:25.400 --> 01:12:27.675 He also worked occasionally on "See It Now'. 01:12:28.360 --> 01:12:31.079 He did the 11 p.m. News over some of these stations. 01:12:31.760 --> 01:12:34.354 He had been sick lately and he died this morning. 01:12:34.920 --> 01:12:37.388 The police said it was suicide... gas. 01:12:39.040 --> 01:12:40.268 Not much of an obit. 01:12:40.720 --> 01:12:43.757 But, at least we got our facts straight, and it was brief. 01:12:44.760 --> 01:12:47.194 And that's all Don Hollenbeck would have asked. 01:12:48.120 --> 01:12:49.838 Good night, and good luck. 01:12:55.240 --> 01:12:57.276 Got to be in Philadelphia this morning. 01:12:58.320 --> 01:12:59.753 What time is your train? 01:13:00.800 --> 01:13:01.755 9:00. 01:13:03.280 --> 01:13:05.748 - Charlie going with you? - Uh-huh. 01:13:14.400 --> 01:13:15.549 Here's a thought. 01:13:17.320 --> 01:13:18.639 What if we're wrong? 01:13:21.200 --> 01:13:22.394 We're not wrong. 01:13:24.040 --> 01:13:25.678 We're not going to look back... 01:13:27.640 --> 01:13:29.676 ...and say we protected the wrong side? 01:13:32.000 --> 01:13:37.120 Protected them from what? In the name of what? What would we be preserving? 01:13:38.200 --> 01:13:41.476 Argument could bemade, 'for the greater good". 01:13:43.640 --> 01:13:46.234 Not once you give it all away. It's no good then. 01:13:47.880 --> 01:13:49.199 It's just a thought. 01:13:55.640 --> 01:14:00.191 Senator, may we not drop this? We know he belonged to the Lawyer's Guild. 01:14:00.280 --> 01:14:02.748 And Mr. Cohn nods his head at me. 01:14:02.960 --> 01:14:06.635 - I did you, I think, no personal injury, Mr. Cohn. - No, sir. 01:14:06.720 --> 01:14:09.234 - I meant to do you no personal injury. - No. 01:14:09.400 --> 01:14:12.358 And if I did, I beg your pardon. 01:14:12.760 --> 01:14:17.993 Let us not assassinate this lad further, Senator. You've done enough. 01:14:18.320 --> 01:14:21.710 - Let's... let's... - Have you no sense of decency, sir? 01:14:21.920 --> 01:14:26.835 At long last, have you left no sense of decency? 01:14:27.200 --> 01:14:31.034 - I know this hurts you, Mr. Welch. - Senator, I think it hurts you, too. 01:14:31.160 --> 01:14:34.516 - I'd like to finish this. - Have you some private reservation... 01:14:34.600 --> 01:14:38.229 ...when you take the oath that you will tell the whole truth... 01:14:38.600 --> 01:14:41.637 ...that lets you be the judge of what you will testify to? 01:14:41.800 --> 01:14:45.270 The answer is there's no reservation about telling the whole truth. 01:14:45.440 --> 01:14:50.560 Thank you, sir. Then tell us who delivered the documents to you! 01:14:50.640 --> 01:14:53.552 I don't want to mean that this new fashion is not chic. 01:14:53.640 --> 01:14:57.235 - I think it's just no good for me. - Uh, not for you. 01:14:57.520 --> 01:15:00.114 Milko, anything you care to say on that subject? 01:15:00.200 --> 01:15:01.519 I think no comment. 01:15:05.000 --> 01:15:08.231 It's got to be there. If you can't find it, I cant write about it. 01:15:08.320 --> 01:15:10.629 - Check again. - Charlie said he dropped it off. 01:15:10.720 --> 01:15:13.757 - Charlie said he dropped... - Shirley, can I see you a minute? 01:15:13.960 --> 01:15:15.518 - I got to call you back. - Joe! 01:15:15.640 --> 01:15:16.595 You, too. 01:15:26.480 --> 01:15:27.515 Close the door. 01:15:30.640 --> 01:15:31.675 Have a seat. 01:15:35.160 --> 01:15:38.152 - How are you? - Fine, thank you. - Swell. Yeah. 01:15:38.800 --> 01:15:41.758 Uh, you both are aware that there's a policy at CBS... 01:15:41.840 --> 01:15:43.876 ...that no two employees can be married. 01:15:46.560 --> 01:15:49.836 I want to ask you a question, but I don't want you to answer it. 01:15:49.920 --> 01:15:51.592 I want you to consider it. 01:15:52.720 --> 01:15:54.312 I know you two are married. 01:15:56.320 --> 01:15:57.389 Everyone knows. 01:15:58.520 --> 01:15:59.748 That's not my question. 01:16:00.120 --> 01:16:03.078 In the next few weeks I have to lay off a couple of people. 01:16:03.160 --> 01:16:05.879 We're making some significant cuts across the board. 01:16:07.120 --> 01:16:08.678 I wanted you to know that... 01:16:08.880 --> 01:16:11.713 ...because you could save someone else being fired. 01:16:13.800 --> 01:16:17.509 I'm asking you to consider makng this decision a little easier. 01:16:19.760 --> 01:16:21.352 I don't need an answer now. 01:16:22.840 --> 01:16:24.796 Just think about it. 01:16:26.400 --> 01:16:27.355 Good. 01:16:38.800 --> 01:16:39.994 - Well, Joe... - Well? 01:16:40.400 --> 01:16:43.472 - Sure we'regonna miss you around here. - I'll pack my things. 01:16:46.600 --> 01:16:49.194 - I think it's for the best. - We'll find out! 01:16:51.720 --> 01:16:52.948 Mrs. Wershba... 01:16:55.720 --> 01:16:56.835 Everybody knew. 01:17:05.520 --> 01:17:07.397 Natalie, did he say what it was about? 01:17:07.480 --> 01:17:10.233 No. Just that he wanted to talk to you in his office. 01:17:25.320 --> 01:17:26.389 Uh-oh! 01:17:29.680 --> 01:17:32.990 The problem isn't simply that you've lost your sponsor. 01:17:33.360 --> 01:17:35.590 With Alcoa, "See It Now" still loses money. 01:17:35.680 --> 01:17:36.999 The fee is 50,000 dollars. 01:17:37.080 --> 01:17:39.548 Last week's episode we did for less than 50,000 dollars. 01:17:39.640 --> 01:17:41.471 Fred, you're speakng beyond your competence. 01:17:41.560 --> 01:17:43.869 We'll certainly find another sponsor. 01:17:43.960 --> 01:17:47.509 "64,000 Dollar Question" brings in over 90,000 in sponsors... 01:17:47.600 --> 01:17:49.716 ...and it costs one-third of what youdo. 01:17:49.800 --> 01:17:52.678 Ed, I've got Tuesday night programming that's number one. 01:17:52.760 --> 01:17:56.070 People want to enjoy themselves. They don't want a civics lesson. 01:17:56.160 --> 01:17:58.958 - What do you want, Bill? - I don't want to get a stomachache... 01:17:59.040 --> 01:18:01.429 ...every time you take on a controversial subject. 01:18:03.080 --> 01:18:06.038 I'm afraid that's the price you have to be willing to pay. 01:18:07.400 --> 01:18:10.233 Let's walk very carefully through these next few moments. 01:18:10.320 --> 01:18:12.629 The content of what we're doing is more important... 01:18:12.720 --> 01:18:15.951 ...than what some guy in Cincinnati... - It's what you'redoing, Ed. Not me. 01:18:16.040 --> 01:18:17.109 Not Frank Stanton. You. 01:18:17.480 --> 01:18:21.314 "CBS News", "See It Now" all belong to you, Bill. 01:18:21.400 --> 01:18:22.469 You wouldn't know it. 01:18:24.160 --> 01:18:28.756 - What is it you want? Credit? - I never censored a single program. 01:18:29.680 --> 01:18:33.912 I hold on to affiliates who wanted entertainment from us. 01:18:34.280 --> 01:18:35.998 I fight to keep the license... 01:18:36.080 --> 01:18:39.311 ...with the very same politicians that you are bringing down... 01:18:39.400 --> 01:18:44.235 ...and I never, never said no to you. Never. 01:18:45.560 --> 01:18:48.552 I would argue that we have done very well by one another. 01:18:49.640 --> 01:18:51.471 I would argue that this network... 01:18:52.680 --> 01:18:55.592 ...is defined by what the news department has accomplished. 01:18:55.680 --> 01:18:59.559 And I would also argue that never saying no is not the same as not censoring. 01:18:59.640 --> 01:19:02.677 Really? You should teach journalism. You and Mr. Friendly. 01:19:08.800 --> 01:19:10.074 Let me ask you this: 01:19:11.720 --> 01:19:13.438 ...why didn't you correct McCarthy... 01:19:13.520 --> 01:19:16.432 ...when he said that Alger Hiss was convicted of treason? 01:19:16.640 --> 01:19:20.155 He was only convicted of perjury. You corrected everything else. 01:19:20.800 --> 01:19:23.872 Did you not want the appearance of defending a known Communist? 01:19:23.960 --> 01:19:26.679 I would argue that everyone censors, including you. 01:19:30.520 --> 01:19:32.158 What do you want to do, Bill? 01:19:36.000 --> 01:19:38.833 I'm takng your program from a half an hour to an hour. 01:19:38.920 --> 01:19:42.276 And it wont be a weekly program and it won't be Tuesday nights. 01:19:42.880 --> 01:19:45.155 - When would it be? - Sunday afternoons. 01:19:48.520 --> 01:19:50.715 - How many episodes? - 5. 01:19:53.360 --> 01:19:55.191 Why don't you just fire me, Bill? 01:19:55.320 --> 01:19:57.595 I don't think it's what either of us wants. 01:20:01.880 --> 01:20:03.199 You owe me 5 shows. 01:20:12.800 --> 01:20:15.314 - You won't like the subject matter. - Probably not. 01:20:15.480 --> 01:20:17.550 Fred, I'll need you for a moment. 01:20:31.680 --> 01:20:33.910 - Thank you, Mary. - Goodbye, Mr. Friendly. 01:20:39.880 --> 01:20:43.077 - He wants me to lay a few people off. - I'm sure he does. 01:20:43.240 --> 01:20:46.152 Let's do our first show about the downfall of television. 01:20:49.160 --> 01:20:52.436 - Senate's gonna vote to censure McCarthy tomorrow. - Probably. 01:20:52.520 --> 01:20:55.592 - And then what happens? - He sits in the back row. - Right. 01:20:55.920 --> 01:20:59.959 - They keep him in the Senate. They don't kick him out. - No, he stays. 01:21:10.160 --> 01:21:12.276 Well, we might as well go down swinging. 01:21:16.120 --> 01:21:18.918 Did you know the most trusted man in America is Milton Berle? 01:21:19.000 --> 01:21:20.877 See, you should have worn a dress! 01:21:22.520 --> 01:21:25.034 - Howd does a Scotch sound? - Scotch sounds good. 01:21:26.040 --> 01:21:28.474 - Did you know Joe and Shirley were married? - Sure. 01:21:28.560 --> 01:21:30.516 - Did everyone know? - Pretty much. 01:21:30.600 --> 01:21:33.273 We are proud because from the beginning of this nation... 01:21:33.720 --> 01:21:35.119 ...man can walk upright. 01:21:37.720 --> 01:21:39.870 No matter who he is or who she is. 01:21:40.720 --> 01:21:44.508 He can walk upright and meet his friend or his enemy. 01:21:45.360 --> 01:21:48.272 And he does not fear that because that enemy... 01:21:49.200 --> 01:21:51.270 ...may be in a position of great power... 01:21:52.200 --> 01:21:56.796 ...that he can be suddenly thrown in jail... 01:21:58.280 --> 01:22:01.636 ...to rott here without charges and with no recourse to justice. 01:22:03.600 --> 01:22:06.558 We have the Habeas Corpus Act and we respect it. 01:22:07.360 --> 01:22:10.432 I began by saying that our history will be what we makeit. 01:22:11.160 --> 01:22:12.639 If we go on as we are... 01:22:12.920 --> 01:22:16.356 ...then history will take its revenge, and retribution will not limp... 01:22:16.440 --> 01:22:17.793 ...in catching up with us. 01:22:19.240 --> 01:22:23.074 Just once in a while, let us exalt the importance of ideas and information. 01:22:24.400 --> 01:22:27.710 Let us dream to the extent of saying that on a given Sunday night... 01:22:27.800 --> 01:22:29.950 ...the time normally occupied by Ed Sullivan... 01:22:30.040 --> 01:22:33.669 ...is given over to a clinical survey on the state of American education. 01:22:33.760 --> 01:22:37.036 And a week or two later, the time normally used by Steve Allen... 01:22:37.120 --> 01:22:41.238 ...is devoted to a thorough-going study of American policy in the Middle East. 01:22:42.160 --> 01:22:45.550 Would the corporate image of their respective sponsors be damaged? 01:22:45.840 --> 01:22:48.912 Would the shareholders rise up in their wrath and complain? 01:22:49.680 --> 01:22:50.635 Would anything happen... 01:22:50.720 --> 01:22:54.349 ...other than a few million people would have received a little illumination... 01:22:54.440 --> 01:22:57.557 ...on subjects that may well determine the future of this country... 01:22:57.640 --> 01:23:00.029 ...and therefore the future of the corporations? 01:23:00.760 --> 01:23:04.036 To those who say, "People wouldn't look, they wouldn't be interested..." 01:23:04.120 --> 01:23:06.998 "...they're tooc omplacent, indifferent and insulated"... 01:23:07.200 --> 01:23:10.909 ...I can only reply: There is, in one reporter's opinion... 01:23:11.360 --> 01:23:13.874 ...considerable evidence against that contention. 01:23:14.880 --> 01:23:17.758 But even if they are right, what have they got to lose? 01:23:18.000 --> 01:23:19.513 Because if they are right... 01:23:19.600 --> 01:23:21.556 ...and this instrument is good for nothing... 01:23:21.640 --> 01:23:24.074 ...but to entertain, amuse and insulate... 01:23:24.760 --> 01:23:26.557 ...then the tube is flickering now... 01:23:26.640 --> 01:23:29.598 ...and we will soon see that the whole struggle is lost. 01:23:30.520 --> 01:23:31.999 This instrument can teach. 01:23:32.400 --> 01:23:34.789 It can illuminate and it can even inspire. 01:23:35.440 --> 01:23:39.353 But it can do so only to the extent that humans are determined to use it... 01:23:39.440 --> 01:23:40.793 ...towards those ends. 01:23:42.160 --> 01:23:44.628 Otherwise, it is merely wiresand lights... 01:23:45.320 --> 01:23:46.435 ...in a box. 01:23:49.400 --> 01:23:51.755 Good night, and good luck.