0:02:35.360,0:02:39.069 In 1935, Ed Murrow[br]began his career with CBS. 0:02:39.840,0:02:41.432 When World War Two broke out... 0:02:41.520,0:02:44.193 ...his voice brought[br]the battle of Britain home to us... 0:02:44.280,0:02:46.635 ...through his "This Is London"[br]radio series. 0:02:47.520,0:02:48.999 He started with us all... 0:02:49.120,0:02:52.396 ...many of us here tonight,[br]when television was in its infancy... 0:02:52.480,0:02:54.835 ...with the news documentary show,[br]"See It Now'. 0:02:55.000,0:02:56.672 He threw stones at giants. 0:02:57.720,0:03:00.837 Segregation, exploitation[br]of migrant workers... 0:03:01.040,0:03:03.031 ...apartheid, J. Edgar Hoover... 0:03:03.880,0:03:07.839 ...not the least of which, his historical[br]fight with Senator McCarthy. 0:03:08.920,0:03:12.390 He is the host of our enormously[br]popular show "Person to Person"... 0:03:13.080,0:03:15.753 ...and tonight he is here[br]with his son, Casey... 0:03:16.200,0:03:19.397 ...wife, Janet, and all of you[br]who he's worked with... 0:03:19.720,0:03:22.678 ...inspired, lectured, and taught. 0:03:23.760,0:03:25.034 Ladies and gentlemen... 0:03:25.120,0:03:29.113 ...the Radio-Television News Directors'[br]Association and Foundation welcomes... 0:03:29.200,0:03:31.350 ...Mr. Edward R. Murrow. 0:03:51.160,0:03:53.230 This might just do nobody any good. 0:03:54.080,0:03:57.675 At the end of this discourse[br]a few people may accuse this reporter... 0:03:57.760,0:03:59.876 ...of fouling[br]his own comfortable nest... 0:04:00.280,0:04:03.670 ...and your organization may be[br]accused of having given hospitality... 0:04:03.760,0:04:06.035 ...to heretical[br]and even dangerous ideas. 0:04:07.040,0:04:09.235 But the elaborate structure[br]of networks... 0:04:09.320,0:04:12.995 ...advertising agencies, and sponsors[br]will not be shaken or altered. 0:04:13.840,0:04:17.116 It is my desire, if not my duty,[br]to try to talk to you journeymen... 0:04:17.200,0:04:20.590 ...with some candor about what[br]is happening to radio andtelevision. 0:04:20.680,0:04:22.557 And if what I say is responsible... 0:04:22.960,0:04:25.428 ...I alone am responsible[br]for the saying ofit. 0:04:26.600,0:04:28.670 Our history will be[br]what we make of it. 0:04:29.520,0:04:32.956 And if there are any historians[br]about 50 or 100 years from now... 0:04:33.040,0:04:34.598 ...and there should be preserved... 0:04:34.680,0:04:37.399 ...the kinescopes of one week[br]of all three networks... 0:04:37.800,0:04:41.315 ...they will there find recorded[br]in black and white, and in color... 0:04:41.880,0:04:43.836 ...evidence of decadence,[br]escapism... 0:04:43.920,0:04:47.390 ...and insulation from the realities[br]of the world in which we live. 0:04:47.920,0:04:51.549 We are currently wealthy, fat,[br]comfortable, and complacent. 0:04:52.400,0:04:55.915 We have a built-in allergy to[br]unpleasant or disturbing information. 0:04:56.120,0:04:58.236 Our mass media reflect this. 0:04:59.200,0:05:01.475 But unless we get up off[br]our fat surpluses... 0:05:01.560,0:05:03.915 ...and recognize[br]that television in the main... 0:05:04.000,0:05:08.039 ...is being used to distract, delude,[br]amuse, and insulate us... 0:05:08.520,0:05:10.715 ...then television[br]and those who finance it... 0:05:10.800,0:05:13.598 ...those who look at it[br]and those who work at it... 0:05:13.920,0:05:16.388 ...may see atotally[br]different picture too late. 0:06:01.440,0:06:04.512 Millie! Just the person[br]I wanted to see! Come here! 0:06:13.920,0:06:15.990 This goes at the top[br]of the Roy Campanella piece. 0:06:16.080,0:06:17.149 Yes! Give me a half an hour. 0:06:17.240,0:06:18.992 I may need it[br]a little quicker than that! 0:06:19.080,0:06:22.072 - Can I get some coffee first?[br]- Come on! Get me some coffee! 0:06:24.080,0:06:25.195 Morning, Johnny! 0:06:25.280,0:06:28.272 I have some new notes that go[br]with the Tito footage for Fred. 0:06:28.360,0:06:29.554 Fred's gonna be in[br]in an hour. 0:06:29.640,0:06:32.712 I already put them on his desk.[br]Can you just make sure that... 0:06:32.800,0:06:35.473 ...he doesn't look at the film[br]until he reads the notes? 0:06:35.560,0:06:36.834 - Yes.[br]- Thank you. 0:06:37.160,0:06:38.149 Hey, Joe! Shirley! 0:06:39.640,0:06:41.915 - What's going on in here?[br]- What do you mean? 0:06:42.000,0:06:43.831 Two attractive people[br]alone in the copy room! 0:06:43.920,0:06:45.148 Don't tell Paley, he'll fire me. 0:06:45.240,0:06:46.673 He'll fire both of us, Shirley. 0:06:46.760,0:06:49.433 - Rules are made to be broken![br]- You can afford to say that. 0:06:53.880,0:06:55.074 Let me see this. 0:06:58.560,0:07:02.030 - It's simply a loyalty oath.[br]- To CBS? - And to America. 0:07:02.280,0:07:03.713 You promise to be a loyal American? 0:07:03.800,0:07:05.870 I know. All of the reporters[br]have signed this. 0:07:05.960,0:07:07.598 Who are you promising this to?[br]CBS? 0:07:07.680,0:07:09.591 Fred signed it.[br]Murrow signed it. 0:07:09.680,0:07:10.999 - Murrow signed it?[br]- Yeah. 0:07:12.400,0:07:14.072 Are you now[br]or have you ever been... 0:07:14.160,0:07:16.310 I thought it was a joke,[br]but there's a lot of pressure. 0:07:16.400,0:07:18.834 ...on the Attorney General's list[br]of subversive groups? 0:07:18.920,0:07:21.036 - I don't know.[br]- Let's think about it. 0:07:21.120,0:07:24.556 What is it really saying? Is it a civil[br]liberties issue or censorship? 0:07:24.640,0:07:26.870 Am I simply stating to CBS[br]that I'm not a Communist? 0:07:26.960,0:07:29.190 - Murrow signed this?[br]- And Fred and Stanton. 0:07:29.280,0:07:32.317 - Maybe you should talk toMurrow.[br]- Maybe I should sign it. 0:07:33.440,0:07:36.113 If you don't sign this,[br]are you and I a target? 0:07:38.320,0:07:40.197 If I don'tsign it,[br]they'll fire me. 0:07:46.400,0:07:47.355 Sign it. 0:07:47.760,0:07:49.830 Finally we can tell everyone[br]the truth. 0:07:51.080,0:07:54.356 If I could express it[br]in what's in my heart now... 0:07:54.720,0:07:58.918 ...I'd do it in the terms[br]of the poet who once said... 0:07:59.480,0:08:02.711 ..."Ah, 'tis but a dainty flower[br]I bring to you." 0:08:03.680,0:08:05.636 'Yes, 'tis but a violet..." 0:08:06.560,0:08:07.993 "...glistening with dew." 0:08:08.960,0:08:12.350 "But still in its heart[br]there lie beauties concealed." 0:08:13.400,0:08:14.992 "So in our heart..." 0:08:16.360,0:08:17.873 "...our love for you..." 0:08:18.840,0:08:21.308 "...lies unrevealed." 0:08:23.720,0:08:24.789 I used to... 0:08:30.720,0:08:35.510 ...pride myself on the idea[br]that I was a bit... tough... 0:08:37.240,0:08:43.190 ...especially over the past[br]19-19 months, when we've been... 0:08:43.800,0:08:46.712 ...kicked around,[br]and bullwhipped, and damned. 0:08:47.960,0:08:49.234 I didnt think that... 0:08:51.440,0:08:54.318 ...I could be... touched very deeply. 0:08:54.520,0:08:56.670 Okay, that's enough.[br]That's enough, Leo. 0:08:56.760,0:08:58.716 - It's short.[br]- Howlong is the piece? 0:08:58.800,0:09:00.472 It's 4 minutes,[br]but we can cut it down. 0:09:00.560,0:09:03.233 It cant stand alone, but it might be[br]a nice companion piece. 0:09:03.320,0:09:05.550 Let's go through this one more time.[br]Palmer! 0:09:05.640,0:09:08.837 Yep, got a call from the office[br]of Senator Morse this morning... 0:09:08.920,0:09:11.912 ...interested in setting up[br]a debate possibly with Senator Kerr... 0:09:12.000,0:09:14.355 ...over the comments[br]Bentsen made on last night's show. 0:09:14.440,0:09:17.557 Secretary of Agriculture? Good idea![br]Can they do it by this week? 0:09:17.640,0:09:20.108 No, it would have to be 2 weeks[br]at the earliest... 0:09:20.200,0:09:23.397 ...depending on Morse's schedule.[br]But still it's a great idea. 0:09:23.480,0:09:26.677 Let's follow up on that.[br]"Hoover speaks on Benjamin Franklin." 0:09:26.760,0:09:29.752 We're having better luck[br]with Mr. Benjamin Frankin... 0:09:29.840,0:09:31.034 ...than with Mr. Hoover. 0:09:31.120,0:09:33.475 It may progress better[br]as a "Person to Person". 0:09:33.560,0:09:35.915 "At home with Ben Frankin.[br]His electricity awards." 0:09:36.000,0:09:37.831 We've got the footage,[br]we need to contact him. 0:09:37.920,0:09:41.469 See if you can contact him and get the[br]shot. He wants to do the story. Joe! 0:09:41.560,0:09:43.232 Member Delbert Clark?[br]No longer with us. 0:09:43.320,0:09:45.754 - New York Times? - Yeah.[br]- Our friend at the Times. 0:09:45.840,0:09:48.434 This was yesterday morning,[br]they're saying it's... 0:09:48.640,0:09:52.076 - How old was he?[br]- 53. Sudden illness. 0:09:52.160,0:09:54.720 - Home of a friend.[br]- No, it's not a nobit piece. 0:09:54.880,0:09:57.314 Natalie send some flowers[br]over there from us. 0:09:57.760,0:09:59.990 Couple things.[br]Case before the Supreme Court... 0:10:00.080,0:10:03.834 ...involving the constitutionality of a[br]section of the Internal Security Act... 0:10:03.920,0:10:05.797 ...provides for the deportation[br]of any alien... 0:10:05.880,0:10:08.519 ...if he becomes a Communist[br]after entering this country. 0:10:09.040,0:10:10.075 Can you take this? 0:10:10.160,0:10:12.628 All right. McCarthy interrupting[br]his wedding trip... 0:10:12.720,0:10:16.076 ...to take charge of the investigation[br]of Communist infiltration... 0:10:16.160,0:10:18.469 - Natalie, send some flowers.[br]- Poor Mrs. McCarthy! 0:10:18.560,0:10:20.596 May I finish?[br]It's national security! 0:10:20.680,0:10:23.353 - A real ladies' man![br]- Well, they're in love. 0:10:23.840,0:10:28.038 We have no show for Tuesday, fellows.[br]So get out there and make some news. 0:10:28.840,0:10:32.037 Rob a bank. Mug an old lady.[br]Do something. 0:10:32.800,0:10:35.314 - You look at the Secretary Stevens[br]footage? - We will. 0:10:35.400,0:10:37.834 Watch it all the way to the end,[br]it's worth it. 0:10:39.360,0:10:40.509 Thank you, John. 0:10:41.400,0:10:42.719 There's notmuch there. 0:10:42.840,0:10:46.196 I can't tie it to the Eisenhower[br]in the back of the train piece. 0:10:46.480,0:10:49.711 - You ever spend any time in Detroit,[br]Fred? - Not recently. 0:10:51.040,0:10:54.157 There's a story here[br]in the Detroit News, Dexter, Michigan. 0:10:54.880,0:10:56.871 A kid named Milo Radulovich. 0:10:58.400,0:11:01.995 - Italian? - Irish. Air Force[br]kicked him out because his dad... 0:11:02.080,0:11:06.517 ...reads ome Serbian newspaper.[br]- Was he a Communist? - I don't know. 0:11:06.600,0:11:08.352 - Who brought the charges?[br]- Air Force. 0:11:09.120,0:11:11.634 Charges were in a sealed envelope,[br]nobody saw them. 0:11:11.720,0:11:14.871 - Not even at the hearing? - He was[br]declared guilty without a trial... 0:11:14.960,0:11:16.632 ...and told if he wanted[br]to keep his job... 0:11:16.720,0:11:19.871 ...he had to denounce his father[br]and his sister. Thank you, Natalie. 0:11:19.960,0:11:22.315 - His sister?[br]- He told them to take a hike. 0:11:23.960,0:11:27.475 Let's send Joe and Charlie down there,[br]see if he's any good on camera. 0:11:27.560,0:11:29.755 Is he being brought[br]before the Committee? 0:11:30.440,0:11:31.395 No. 0:11:32.480,0:11:33.799 Then it's not McCarthy. 0:11:35.360,0:11:36.315 Isn't it? 0:11:42.160,0:11:43.639 Milo Radulovich. 0:11:47.720,0:11:49.073 What happens to your children... 0:11:49.160,0:11:51.958 ...your 5-year-old and your 5-month-old[br]in terms of you? 0:11:52.040,0:11:54.873 If I am being judged[br]on my relatives... 0:11:55.840,0:12:00.709 ...are my children going[br]to be asked to denounce me? 0:12:00.800,0:12:04.679 Are they going to be judged[br]on what their father was labeled? 0:12:05.360,0:12:10.150 Are they going to have to explain[br]to their friends, etc... 0:12:10.240,0:12:12.470 ...why their father[br]is a security risk? 0:12:13.400,0:12:17.871 If the thing is let stand[br]as it, the first recommendation... 0:12:18.160,0:12:22.199 ...was sent out by the board,[br]I see a chain reaction that... 0:12:22.960,0:12:25.155 ...has no end to anybody,[br]for anybody. 0:12:31.560,0:12:32.834 Well, that's new. 0:12:34.000,0:12:35.558 You can't call this[br]a neutral piece. 0:12:35.640,0:12:38.791 The other side's been represented[br]rather well for the last 2 years. 0:12:38.880,0:12:40.393 The Air Force[br]hasn't gone on the record. 0:12:40.480,0:12:43.392 So you want to forego the standards[br]you've stuck to for 15 years... 0:12:43.480,0:12:44.674 ...both sides, no commentary. 0:12:44.760,0:12:47.638 - We all editorialize. - I'm just[br]making sure we identify what... 0:12:47.720,0:12:49.312 We're giving them[br]the information up front... 0:12:49.400,0:12:50.913 ...and we're asking them[br]to comment on it. 0:12:51.000,0:12:51.989 Frank, hold on. 0:12:52.720,0:12:54.312 I've searched my conscience. 0:12:54.480,0:12:57.552 I can't for the life of me[br]find any justification for this. 0:12:57.640,0:13:00.393 I simply cannot accept[br]that there are, on every story... 0:13:00.480,0:13:02.436 ...two equal and logical sides[br]to an argument. 0:13:02.520,0:13:05.353 - Call it editorializing, if you'd like.[br]- It is editorializing. 0:13:05.440,0:13:07.078 They'll have equal time[br]to defend themselves. 0:13:07.160,0:13:09.151 Do you understand the position[br]you're putting us in? 0:13:09.240,0:13:12.073 We are all in this together,[br]if the Senate wants to investigate... 0:13:12.160,0:13:13.149 Do me a favor... 0:13:13.240,0:13:16.437 ...avoid any big speeches about how[br]we're all in a big boat together! 0:13:16.520,0:13:17.669 Please, don't insult me. 0:13:18.200,0:13:22.159 I have to go back to Mr. Paley[br]and Alcoa, who sponsors your show... 0:13:22.640,0:13:24.870 ...and also have[br]some military contracts... 0:13:24.960,0:13:28.032 ...and I have to tell them that[br]they're going to be in a tough bind... 0:13:28.120,0:13:30.076 ...because of a beef you had[br]with Joe McCarthy. 0:13:30.160,0:13:33.152 - We're not going at McCarthy.[br]- You're starting the goddamn fire. 0:13:33.240,0:13:36.471 Excuse me. Mr. Friendly,[br]there's a Colonel Anderson to see you? 0:13:36.560,0:13:39.916 - Colonel? - He's in your office.[br]There are two of them. 0:13:41.640,0:13:44.757 Maybe they liked the transcript,[br]and want to compliment us on it. 0:13:45.320,0:13:46.309 Excuse me. 0:13:54.160,0:13:56.799 Go after Joe Kennedy.[br]We'll pay for it. 0:13:57.280,0:13:59.271 I've got a great story about Hoover. 0:14:03.080,0:14:05.435 You know how many shows[br]you're going to have to do... 0:14:05.520,0:14:08.478 ...to make up for this? - And Judy[br]and her daughter Liza next week. 0:14:08.560,0:14:10.551 No, no.[br]You're interviewing Rin Tin Tin! 0:14:15.440,0:14:16.919 I'll talk to Mr. Paley. 0:14:19.400,0:14:21.152 Alcoa wont pay for the ads. 0:14:22.120,0:14:25.635 And we probably wont either.[br]But nobody'll stop you. 0:14:25.720,0:14:26.835 How much are the ads? 0:14:29.000,0:14:32.037 - 3,000.[br]- I'll split it with Fred. 0:14:33.560,0:14:36.757 He just won't have Christmas presents[br]for his kids this year. 0:14:37.080,0:14:40.152 - He's a Jew. - Don't tell him that,[br]he loves Christmas. 0:14:48.960,0:14:51.838 - To be clear, you did speak[br]with the lawyers? - Yes, we did. 0:14:51.920,0:14:55.071 And we read the transcript. We've not[br]been allowed to see the footage. 0:14:55.160,0:14:58.072 Mack is on a plane from Dexter[br]right now with the last interviews. 0:14:58.160,0:14:59.832 We'll be going[br]right down to the wire. 0:14:59.920,0:15:04.391 Your show airs tomorrow. How can we[br]possibly approve and check... 0:15:04.480,0:15:08.029 ...your story in the limited amount[br]of time you have given us? 0:15:08.120,0:15:11.669 With all due respect, you have been[br]invited to participate in this piece... 0:15:11.760,0:15:13.079 ...not to approve it. 0:15:13.680,0:15:16.592 We are going with the story[br]that says that the U.S. Air Force... 0:15:16.680,0:15:19.114 ...tried Milo Radulovich[br]without any evidence... 0:15:19.200,0:15:21.668 ...and found him guilty[br]of being a security risk... 0:15:21.760,0:15:25.275 ...without his Constitutional rights...[br]- You have not seen the evidence... 0:15:25.360,0:15:27.590 ...and are claiming[br]he's not a security risk. 0:15:27.680,0:15:31.639 Wouldn't you guess that those who have[br]seen the contents of that envelope... 0:15:31.720,0:15:35.599 ...might have a better idea of what[br]makes someone a danger to his country? 0:15:35.680,0:15:38.877 - Who? Who? - Or do you think[br]it should just be you that decides? 0:15:38.960,0:15:41.428 Who are the people?[br]Are they elected? Are they appointed? 0:15:41.520,0:15:44.080 Do they have an axe to grind?[br]Is it you, sir? 0:15:44.320,0:15:48.393 Or you, Colonel Jenkns? Do you know[br]the contents of that sealed envelope? 0:15:49.360,0:15:54.673 We have been a friend and ally of both[br]Mr. Murrow and CBS News for many years. 0:15:55.240,0:15:58.391 The story you are going[br]to run tomorrow is without merit. 0:15:58.880,0:16:01.872 So before you take any steps[br]that cannot be undone... 0:16:02.240,0:16:04.800 ...I strongly urge you[br]to reconsider your stand. 0:16:05.440,0:16:08.750 These are very dangerous waters[br]you are attempting to navigate. 0:16:14.600,0:16:20.232 We have had no hearing at all.[br]We have had noday in court. 0:16:20.640,0:16:24.599 In all the 32 years that I have been[br]a practicing attorney in Detroit... 0:16:24.800,0:16:29.157 ...I have never witnessed such a farce[br]and travesty upon justice... 0:16:29.240,0:16:31.151 ...as this thing has developed. 0:16:31.440,0:16:34.113 - Now this whole theory...[br]- Eddie, just take the first reel. 0:16:34.200,0:16:36.077 Tell John I left[br]5 seconds extra leader. 0:16:36.160,0:16:39.391 5 seconds! I got it! Palmer,[br]where's Joe? Have you seen Joe? 0:16:39.480,0:16:40.708 He's on his way[br]to the control room. 0:16:40.800,0:16:42.392 We're gonna have to do[br]the voice-over live. 0:16:42.480,0:16:44.198 Natalie, I need a booth[br]with a live mic. 0:16:44.280,0:16:45.474 Booth is there, it's already set. 0:16:45.560,0:16:47.676 We didn't have time[br]to sync the voice-over out. 0:16:47.920,0:16:49.512 That's not what I asked for. 0:16:51.120,0:16:52.997 It's missing the voice-over[br]on the last piece. 0:16:53.080,0:16:55.116 There's a commercial in the booth.[br]What shall I do? 0:16:55.200,0:16:57.839 - 2 minutes to air! - There's not[br]supposed to be a commercial! 0:16:57.920,0:16:59.148 Get himout of the booth! 0:17:02.560,0:17:04.676 2-and-a-half minutes[br]on the end piece. 0:17:05.800,0:17:08.394 Keep it down, please.[br]It's a little loud. 0:17:08.520,0:17:09.748 2 minutes to air, fellas. 0:17:11.120,0:17:14.317 - He's gonna add a joke.[br]- Charlie, loan me your lighter. 0:17:16.120,0:17:19.317 Make sure you know that I swap[br]with those two pieces of parents. 0:17:19.400,0:17:22.278 - As long as he talks fast because...[br]- He will talk fast. 0:17:27.200,0:17:28.315 We got the film. 0:17:29.480,0:17:30.674 Will it be ready? 0:17:31.160,0:17:32.149 You bet. 0:17:37.880,0:17:39.074 Funny thing, Freddy! 0:17:39.520,0:17:42.671 Every time you light a cigarette[br]for me, I know you're lying. 0:17:56.680,0:17:59.478 It occurs t ome[br]we might not get away with this one. 0:18:05.600,0:18:08.512 Alcoa, the aluminum company[br]of America... 0:18:08.600,0:18:10.670 - 10 seconds.[br]- You fellas, ready? Okay. 0:18:10.920,0:18:12.148 Ready on camera 1. 0:18:18.840,0:18:22.958 5, 4,3, 2. 0:18:25.720,0:18:26.914 Pan, camera 1. 0:18:28.400,0:18:29.355 Good evening. 0:18:29.800,0:18:33.315 A few weeks ago there occurred a few[br]obscure notices in the newspapers... 0:18:33.400,0:18:35.118 ...about Milo Radulovich... 0:18:35.480,0:18:37.596 ...a lieutenant[br]in the Air Force Reserves. 0:18:37.920,0:18:41.435 And, also, something about Air Force[br]regulation 35-62... 0:18:42.280,0:18:45.716 ...which states that a man[br]may be regarded as a security risk... 0:18:45.800,0:18:48.917 ...if he has close and continuing[br]association with Communists... 0:18:49.000,0:18:51.594 ...or people believed[br]to have Communist sympathies. 0:18:52.480,0:18:55.870 Lieutenant Radulovich was asked[br]to resign in August. He declined. 0:18:56.120,0:18:58.236 A board was called[br]and heard his case. 0:18:58.320,0:19:01.790 At the end it was recommended that[br]he be severed from the Air Force... 0:19:01.880,0:19:05.156 ...although it was also stated[br]that there was no question whatever... 0:19:05.240,0:19:06.992 ...as to the Lieutenant's loyalty. 0:19:07.120,0:19:09.429 We propose to examine,[br]in so far as we can... 0:19:09.520,0:19:11.556 ...the case of Lieutenant Radulovich. 0:19:11.760,0:19:14.433 Our reporter, Joe Wershba,[br]cameraman, Charlie Mack. 0:19:15.320,0:19:18.198 This is the town of Dexter, Michigan.[br]Population 1500. 0:19:18.600,0:19:21.751 This statue is at the end[br]of Ann Arbor Street erected by... 0:19:21.840,0:19:23.717 What did the General[br]tell you yesterday? 0:19:23.880,0:19:26.997 - A Colonel. There were two of them.[br]- That makes a General. 0:19:27.120,0:19:28.439 They weren't too pleased. 0:19:29.280,0:19:31.157 You're gonna get audited this year. 0:19:31.520,0:19:34.557 Not me, you. I told them[br]I didn't want to do the story. 0:19:35.800,0:19:38.314 - You always were yellow.[br]- Better than red. 0:19:45.160,0:19:46.229 In 10 seconds. 0:19:50.520,0:19:53.034 This is the sister,[br]Margaret Radulovich Fishman. 0:19:53.400,0:19:56.437 She neither defends nor explains[br]her political activities. 0:19:56.640,0:20:01.236 I feel that my activities,[br]be what they may... 0:20:01.320,0:20:04.153 ...or my political beliefs[br]are my own private affair. 0:20:04.640,0:20:09.589 Are my children going to be asked[br]to denounce me? 0:20:09.680,0:20:13.639 Are they going to be judged[br]on what their father was labeled? 0:20:14.080,0:20:18.790 Are they going to have to explain[br]to their friends, etc... 0:20:18.920,0:20:20.876 ...why their father[br]is a security risk? 0:20:21.760,0:20:26.470 I see, absolutely,[br]that this is a chain reaction. 0:20:26.840,0:20:30.958 If the thing is let stand as it,[br]the first recommendation... 0:20:31.040,0:20:35.158 ...was sent out by the board[br]I see a chain reaction... 0:20:35.240,0:20:38.550 ...that has no end to anybody,[br]for anybody. 0:20:39.400,0:20:42.358 Perhaps you will permit me[br]to read a few sentences... 0:20:42.440,0:20:45.432 ...because I would like to say[br]rather precisely what I mean. 0:20:45.840,0:20:48.479 We have told the Air Force[br]that we will provide facilities... 0:20:48.560,0:20:51.518 ...for any comments, criticisms,[br]or corrections it may wish to make... 0:20:51.600,0:20:53.511 ...as to the case of Milo Radulovich. 0:20:54.760,0:20:58.116 We are unable to judge the charges[br]against his father or sister... 0:20:58.200,0:21:01.397 ...because neither we, nor you,[br]nor they, nor the lawyers... 0:21:01.480,0:21:05.359 ...nor the Lieutenant, know what was[br]contained in that manila envelope. 0:21:06.040,0:21:09.077 Was it hearsay,[br]rumor, gossip, slander... 0:21:09.320,0:21:13.199 ...or hard ascertainable facts that[br]could be backed by credible witnesses? 0:21:13.520,0:21:14.669 We do not know. 0:21:15.480,0:21:18.631 We believe the son shall not bear[br]the iniquity of the father. 0:21:18.760,0:21:22.116 Even though that iniquity be proved[br]and in this case it was not. 0:21:23.120,0:21:26.271 But we believe too that this case[br]illustrates the urgent need... 0:21:26.360,0:21:30.114 ...for the Armed Forces to communicate[br]more fully than they have so far done... 0:21:30.200,0:21:32.555 ...the procedures and regulations[br]to be followed... 0:21:32.640,0:21:34.949 ...in attempting to protect[br]the national security... 0:21:35.040,0:21:37.679 ...and the rights of the individual[br]at the same time. 0:21:38.720,0:21:41.314 Whatever happens in this area[br]of the relationship... 0:21:41.400,0:21:43.436 ...between the individual[br]and the state... 0:21:43.520,0:21:45.033 ...we will do it ourselves... 0:21:45.560,0:21:49.838 ...it cannot be blamed on Malenkov[br]or Mao Tse-Tung or even our allies. 0:21:50.560,0:21:53.757 And, it seems to us,[br]Fred Friendly and myself... 0:21:54.240,0:21:57.596 ...that this is a subject[br]that should be argued about endlessly. 0:21:59.120,0:22:00.917 Good night, and good luck. 0:22:07.520,0:22:08.635 And we'reout. 0:23:40.600,0:23:41.000 May I tell you something[br]about yourself... 0:23:41.000,0:23:42.638 May I tellyou something[br]about yourself... 0:23:42.720,0:23:45.029 ...as a member[br]of the "Person to Person" audience? 0:23:45.120,0:23:47.111 Based on audience[br]research studies... 0:23:47.640,0:23:51.076 ...you are well above average[br]in education and intelligence. 0:23:51.640,0:23:54.677 Your interests are wide,[br]from world affairs and science... 0:23:54.840,0:23:56.592 ...to sports and show business. 0:23:56.880,0:23:59.997 And you have one characteristic[br]that's rather encouraging to me... 0:24:00.080,0:24:03.834 ...and that's the fact that you are[br]not easily persuaded by advertising. 0:24:04.560,0:24:07.279 The makers of Kent considered[br]all these characteristics... 0:24:07.360,0:24:09.430 ...when they chose[br]Mr. Murrow'sprogram... 0:24:09.520,0:24:10.999 ...to tell you about Kent. 0:24:11.240,0:24:16.109 Of all leading filter cigarettes,[br]Kent filter's best. 0:24:16.360,0:24:19.352 If you try Kent with that in mind,[br]I think you'll agree... 0:24:19.440,0:24:22.512 ...with many other thinking people[br]who havec hanged to Kent. 0:24:22.840,0:24:27.550 They find that it makes good sense[br]to smoke Kent and good smoking, too. 0:24:28.480,0:24:31.631 - Did you get the changes?[br]- Edward Murrow, "Person to Person"... 0:24:31.720,0:24:35.395 ...on the CBS Television Network.[br]- No, no. You there? Okay. We got it. 0:24:35.480,0:24:36.993 Now back to Ed Murrow. 0:24:38.200,0:24:40.998 Not since the silent movies[br]and the idols they produced... 0:24:41.080,0:24:44.675 ...has Hollywood witnessed the sort[br]of pilgrimage that is now going on. 0:24:45.160,0:24:48.675 Each day, oblivious to time,[br]weather, and the state of the world... 0:24:48.840,0:24:52.515 ...sightseers head in the direction[br]of California's San Fernando Valley. 0:24:52.960,0:24:56.077 For there, at the end[br]of the tourist line, is Sherman Oaks... 0:24:56.160,0:24:59.357 ...and the home Liberace[br]has built for himself and his mother. 0:24:59.520,0:25:03.229 This is the front and nobody knows[br]how many people have seen that view. 0:25:03.840,0:25:06.957 This is the back of the house[br]and that's Liberace's bedroom. 0:25:07.920,0:25:09.990 - Good evening, Lee.[br]- Good evening, Ed. 0:25:10.080,0:25:14.631 - What are you doing? - I'm dictating[br]my weekly syndicated newspaper column... 0:25:15.080,0:25:21.349 ...and on my trusty tape recorder here,[br]I'm also dictating a book. 0:25:21.440,0:25:23.715 - It's an inspirational book.[br]- Lee, what about you? 0:25:23.800,0:25:26.678 Have you given much thought[br]to getting married and settling down? 0:25:26.760,0:25:29.274 Actually, I've given[br]a lot of thought to it... 0:25:29.360,0:25:33.114 ...but I don't believe in getting married[br]just for the sake of getting married. 0:25:33.200,0:25:35.794 I want to someday[br]find the perfect mate... 0:25:36.160,0:25:40.073 ...and settle down to what I hope will[br]be a marriage that will be blessed... 0:25:40.200,0:25:42.714 ...by faith[br]and will be a lasting union. 0:25:43.200,0:25:47.751 I was reading[br]about lovely young Princess Margaret... 0:25:48.280,0:25:50.840 ...and she's lookng[br]for her dream man, too... 0:25:51.400,0:25:53.311 ...and I hope she finds him someday. 0:25:54.640,0:25:58.235 Uh-huh. Lee, thanks very much[br]for letting us come and visit you. 0:25:58.320,0:25:59.435 It's been very pleasant. 0:25:59.520,0:26:01.590 And will you say goodnight[br]to your family for us? 0:26:01.680,0:26:03.318 - I certainly will.[br]- Thanks a lot. 0:26:03.400,0:26:05.152 - Good night, Ed.[br]- Good night, Lee. 0:26:06.560,0:26:09.199 Next week, we'll take you[br]to Beverly Hills, California... 0:26:09.280,0:26:11.840 ...to the house of Mickey Rooney[br]and his newbride. 0:26:11.920,0:26:14.480 Until then,[br]good night, and good luck. 0:26:20.440,0:26:21.998 Good show, Mr. Murrow! 0:26:44.240,0:26:45.434 Excuse me, Mr. Murrow. 0:26:45.520,0:26:48.114 Could you take a look at this[br]and sign it for me, please? 0:26:48.200,0:26:51.192 Thank you. Dr. Stanton[br]would like to have a drink with you. 0:26:51.280,0:26:53.236 - When?[br]- Now. He's at the Pentagon Bar. 0:26:53.320,0:26:55.436 I can't. What the hell[br]is he doing there? 0:26:55.520,0:26:58.273 - I believe he's waiting for you.[br]- Just call him! - Fine. 0:26:58.360,0:27:00.920 - Oppenheimer next week.[br]- It's a good show, Ed. 0:27:02.680,0:27:03.954 - Hey, Don![br]- Ed! 0:27:04.960,0:27:06.313 You're getting good at this! 0:27:06.840,0:27:08.558 They're gonna think you like it! 0:27:08.720,0:27:10.915 Pays the bills. How are you, Don? 0:27:12.160,0:27:13.149 Ah, it's... 0:27:14.560,0:27:15.709 ...day today. 0:27:16.440,0:27:19.238 If she saw how good you look[br]right now, she'd be back. 0:27:20.720,0:27:23.029 You tell her that[br]if you see her, will you? 0:27:24.480,0:27:27.552 - I read the O'Brian piece.[br]- Yeah, it's tough. 0:27:28.360,0:27:30.828 I'm a pinko.[br]I slant the news. 0:27:31.880,0:27:34.599 I'm just waiting for him[br]to say my wife left me too. 0:27:34.880,0:27:37.678 - Nobody worth their salt reads him.[br]- You read him. 0:27:38.200,0:27:39.792 Well, see, I rest my case. 0:27:41.440,0:27:45.513 - Does Paley read him?[br]- Bill Paley's not gonna do anything. 0:27:48.560,0:27:49.629 Thanks, Ed. 0:27:50.920,0:27:54.071 I just came by to tell you[br]how great the Lieutenant piece was. 0:27:54.160,0:27:57.232 - Thanks. - How's the fallout?[br]- Mostly good, surprisingly. 0:27:57.440,0:28:00.113 Is this the start?[br]Are you taking sides? 0:28:02.600,0:28:05.512 It's just a little poke[br]with a stick, see what happens. 0:28:05.760,0:28:07.398 You let me know if I can help. 0:28:07.600,0:28:08.999 But you're a pinko. 0:28:11.640,0:28:12.834 I'll see you. 0:28:28.160,0:28:30.720 Hey, Joe! What's all this[br]Radulovich junk you're putting out? 0:28:30.800,0:28:33.598 I can't talk to you now. I have[br]to get this film back to New York. 0:28:33.680,0:28:34.954 What would you say if I told you... 0:28:35.040,0:28:37.508 ...that Murrow was[br]on the Soviet payroll in 1935? 0:28:39.600,0:28:42.558 - Uh! Charlie, you wanna...[br]- Sure. I'll set up outside. 0:28:44.600,0:28:46.158 McCarthy going[br]tot he Eisenhower dinner? 0:28:46.240,0:28:49.676 - I have no idea. Id on't keep the[br]Senator's calendar for him! - Really? 0:28:53.640,0:28:57.189 Have you ever seen any spy films?[br]You don't hand me a classified folder! 0:28:57.280,0:28:59.316 You're supposed to slip it[br]into my briefcase! 0:28:59.400,0:29:02.437 I didnt know who to give[br]this information to, Paley or Murrow. 0:29:02.520,0:29:05.956 As you can imagine, Fred and I[br]aren't very friendly. No pun intended. 0:29:06.320,0:29:07.753 No pun elocuted. 0:29:11.080,0:29:12.991 - What do you got, Donald?[br]- In short? 0:29:13.240,0:29:15.879 Murrows been a Communist[br]sympathizer since the 1930's. 0:29:15.960,0:29:19.350 Member of the International Workers,[br]sponsored educational trips to Moscow... 0:29:19.440,0:29:21.874 ...and on the Sovietpayroll[br]in 1935. It's all there. 0:29:21.960,0:29:23.757 You wanna know[br]why that's not possible? 0:29:23.840,0:29:25.273 Why you'll lose this one? 0:29:25.720,0:29:27.631 Because everyone in this country... 0:29:27.720,0:29:30.712 ...knows that Ed Murrow[br]is a loyal American, he's apatriot. 0:29:32.600,0:29:35.239 Did you know the word "gullible"[br]isn't in the dictionary? 0:29:35.320,0:29:38.198 - Can I give this to him?[br]- I'd love it! I have copies! 0:29:41.160,0:29:42.639 I think you guys go too far. 0:29:43.000,0:29:45.230 Well, if it walks like a duck,[br]talks like a duck. 0:29:51.800,0:29:53.074 Yes, Mr. Paley. 0:29:54.040,0:29:55.598 Right away.[br]Yes, sir. 0:29:57.240,0:29:58.639 No, he hasn't called. 0:29:59.880,0:30:03.555 Yes, sir, the second he calls.[br]If you're in a meeting, shall I? 0:30:04.840,0:30:06.637 Yes, sir.[br]Of course, sir. 0:30:09.280,0:30:10.315 Mr. Murrow! 0:30:11.160,0:30:12.832 Mr. Paley will see you now. 0:30:16.520,0:30:20.115 - Mr. Paley, Mr. Murrow is here.[br]- Thanks, Miss Mary. 0:30:20.680,0:30:23.353 - Hello, Ed. - Bill...[br]- Sit over here, will you? 0:30:24.160,0:30:25.195 How's Janet? 0:30:25.600,0:30:27.909 - Your son?[br]- All well, thanks. How's Babe? 0:30:28.040,0:30:31.077 She's fine. Her fundraiser[br]got rained on, so... 0:30:31.480,0:30:34.233 - Oh! That's why I never plan[br]on anything. - Really? 0:30:35.720,0:30:36.914 You'd never know. 0:30:40.640,0:30:41.868 Reading fiction? 0:30:42.480,0:30:44.277 I hope so. You tell me. 0:30:45.640,0:30:47.392 Now we know[br]how they're gonna come at us. 0:30:47.480,0:30:50.278 That's just the first shot.[br]Somebody's going to go down. 0:30:50.360,0:30:52.874 Have you checked your facts?[br]Are you on safe ground? 0:30:55.080,0:30:57.833 - Bill, it's time. Show our cards.[br]- My cards. 0:30:58.640,0:31:02.394 You lose, what happens?[br]5 guys find themselves out of work. 0:31:02.800,0:31:06.839 I'm responsible for a lot more[br]than 5 goddamn reporters. Let it go. 0:31:08.520,0:31:10.590 McCarthy will self-destruct,[br]Cohn, all of them. 0:31:10.680,0:31:13.035 You said Corporate[br]would not interfere with Editorial... 0:31:13.120,0:31:14.553 ...and that the News[br]was to be left... 0:31:14.640,0:31:16.358 We don't make the news,[br]we report the news. 0:31:16.440,0:31:19.079 He's marked as Communists. 0:31:19.160,0:31:21.116 If he goes too far,[br]the Senate will investigate him... 0:31:21.200,0:31:22.155 ...and we will report on that. 0:31:22.240,0:31:25.391 He oversteps people's civil liberties. 0:31:25.480,0:31:26.549 And you're trying him in the press? 0:31:26.640,0:31:28.551 Does he get the right[br]to face his accuser? 0:31:28.640,0:31:31.029 You've decided on this[br]and you're presenting it as fact. 0:31:31.120,0:31:33.350 - What I am doing...[br]- I write your check. 0:31:33.440,0:31:37.149 I put you in your country house,[br]and I put your son through school! 0:31:37.520,0:31:40.990 You should have told me about this[br]before it went so far down the road! 0:31:52.040,0:31:55.749 Everyone of your boys needs to be[br]clean. Do you understand? No ties. 0:31:55.960,0:32:00.351 If Aaron's mother went to a group[br]fundraiser in 1932, he's out. 0:32:00.480,0:32:04.109 Hewitt, too. Anyone in that room.[br]You make no mistake... 0:32:04.240,0:32:07.710 ...I will cut them loose. Corporate[br]won't interfere with Editorial. 0:32:07.800,0:32:11.076 But Editorial will not jeopardize[br]the hundreds of employees... 0:32:11.160,0:32:14.357 ...of the CBS.[br]Do I make myself clear? 0:32:15.600,0:32:16.828 Yes? 0:32:22.080,0:32:25.311 Fellas, our next show is gonna be[br]about Senator McCarthy. 0:32:26.360,0:32:28.078 And we'regonna go right at him. 0:32:28.680,0:32:31.353 I don't need to tell you[br]how careful we have to be. 0:32:31.440,0:32:34.477 If we are to do this, Ed and I[br]need you to be straight with us. 0:32:34.560,0:32:36.676 We need to know,[br]for the good of the piece... 0:32:36.760,0:32:40.435 ...if any of you have any connection,[br]if you subscribed to a newsletter... 0:32:40.520,0:32:42.317 ...if you attended a party,[br]anything... 0:32:42.400,0:32:45.437 ...anything that could compromise this,[br]anything at all... 0:32:45.880,0:32:48.110 ...because now would be[br]the time to tell us. 0:32:53.360,0:32:55.271 Ed, I think I should excuse myself. 0:32:56.200,0:32:57.599 Palmer, you kidding? 0:32:58.520,0:33:00.954 My ex was a...[br]I wouldn't say she was a Communist... 0:33:01.040,0:33:03.998 ...but she attended meetings.[br]It was before we were married. 0:33:04.080,0:33:06.913 I didn't even really know about it[br]until after the divorce. 0:33:07.440,0:33:10.318 But it was different then.[br]We were all on the same side. 0:33:11.760,0:33:14.593 I'm not telling you anything[br]you don't know. The thing is... 0:33:14.680,0:33:16.079 ...somebody'll find out. 0:33:17.720,0:33:19.153 They'll hurt us with it. 0:33:20.640,0:33:22.995 I should have told you sooner, Ed,[br]I'm sorry. 0:33:24.080,0:33:25.149 Fred. 0:33:28.240,0:33:30.800 If none of us had ever read[br]a "dangerous" book... 0:33:31.000,0:33:33.070 ...or had a friend[br]who was "different"... 0:33:33.160,0:33:35.720 ...or never joined an organization[br]that advocated "change"... 0:33:35.800,0:33:38.519 ...we'd all be the kindof people[br]Joe McCarthy wants. 0:33:40.400,0:33:43.870 We're gonna go with the story,[br]because the terror is in this room. 0:33:47.720,0:33:49.915 John! Jesse![br]Go through the HUAC hearings. 0:33:50.000,0:33:53.754 Eddie! Palmer! Look at who[br]did the interviews and any speeches. 0:33:54.720,0:33:56.278 Okay, fellas, here we go. 0:33:56.840,0:33:58.751 His own words,[br]that's what we need. 0:33:58.840,0:34:01.274 ...said that he wouldn't remove[br]a General from the Army... 0:34:01.360,0:34:04.238 ...who supported a Communist Major.[br]I said, "Then, General..." 0:34:04.320,0:34:06.550 "...you should be removed[br]from any command." 0:34:07.040,0:34:10.669 "Any man who says, "I will protect[br]and honor a General'..." 0:34:10.920,0:34:15.072 "...'who protects Communists', is not[br]fit to wear that uniform, General." 0:34:15.360,0:34:16.918 Ethically, we're fine. 0:34:17.080,0:34:20.675 But legally, if we air this, are we[br]leaking closed hearing testimony? 0:34:20.760,0:34:23.069 - But he chose to read it.[br]- We're not misquoting him. 0:34:23.160,0:34:26.436 - There are other reporters.[br]- If it's a legal issue, it's his. 0:34:26.520,0:34:27.839 I'll check with Campbell in Legal. 0:34:27.920,0:34:29.876 And wait till you hear[br]the bleeding hearts... 0:34:30.320,0:34:32.356 ...scream and cry about our methods... 0:34:33.520,0:34:35.476 ...of trying to drag the truth... 0:34:37.000,0:34:39.070 ...from those who know[br]or should know... 0:34:39.880,0:34:42.713 ...who covered up[br]a Fifth Amendment Communist Major. 0:34:43.560,0:34:44.879 But they say, "Oh..." 0:34:45.840,0:34:49.674 "...it's all right to uncover them,[br]but don't get rough doing it, McCarthy." 0:34:51.680,0:34:56.037 Did a Civil Liberties Union provide[br]you with an attorney at that time? 0:34:56.840,0:34:58.558 I had many offers of attorneys... 0:34:58.640,0:35:02.394 ...and from the American Civil Liberties[br]Union, too. - The question is: 0:35:02.480,0:35:05.313 ...did the Civil Liberties Union[br]supply you with an attorney? 0:35:05.400,0:35:07.868 - They did supply an attorney.[br]- The answer is yes? 0:35:08.000,0:35:08.955 The answer is yes. 0:35:09.040,0:35:11.429 You know the Civil Liberties Union[br]has been listed... 0:35:11.520,0:35:14.592 ...as a front for and doing the work[br]of the Communist Party? 0:35:15.080,0:35:16.957 Mr. Chairman, this was 1932! 0:35:18.320,0:35:19.594 I know this was in 1932. 0:35:19.680,0:35:21.750 Do you know that they since[br]have been listed... 0:35:21.840,0:35:24.274 ...as a front for and doing the work[br]of the Communist Party? 0:35:24.360,0:35:26.510 I do not know[br]that they have been listedso, sir. 0:35:26.600,0:35:28.875 - You don't know?[br]- I have heard that mentioned... 0:35:28.960,0:35:30.154 All right, Leo. Turn it off. 0:35:30.240,0:35:33.869 - I need those three cans of Stevens![br]- Has anybody read this book yet? 0:35:33.960,0:35:36.190 It would be nice[br]if this guy isn't a Commie. 0:35:36.280,0:35:38.589 - Did Millie give it to you?[br]- I wanna read the book. 0:35:38.680,0:35:40.193 - Nobody else, Joe.[br]- I hear you, boss. 0:35:40.280,0:35:42.510 I'll put it on a kinescope,[br]push through the end. 0:35:42.600,0:35:43.749 Palmer, cut it at 2:30. 0:35:43.840,0:35:46.115 I prefer it one on each end,[br]let it run through. 0:35:46.200,0:35:47.952 It'd be more powerful.[br]Cut Kennedy? 0:35:48.040,0:35:50.759 Joe, file it for me.[br]I'll see the Mundt piece later. 0:35:51.000,0:35:52.319 Are we gonna make it, Fred? 0:35:52.640,0:35:54.710 We lost the telecine,[br]but we'll make it. 0:35:58.000,0:35:59.831 Did you finish your closing piece? 0:36:00.560,0:36:01.709 It's Shakespeare. 0:36:03.520,0:36:04.794 Write your closing. 0:36:32.200,0:36:35.317 My argument was if you just show[br]the images of McCarthy... 0:36:35.400,0:36:36.879 ...it doesn't make any difference. 0:36:36.960,0:36:39.155 If you agree with him,[br]you're gonna hate the piece. 0:36:39.240,0:36:40.229 If you don't, you'll love it. 0:36:40.320,0:36:42.231 Maybe they should wait[br]till they get more footage. 0:36:42.320,0:36:43.753 I don't think[br]wec an take that chance. 0:36:43.840,0:36:46.354 We've got to hit McCarthy[br]before he comes after Ed. 0:36:48.040,0:36:51.271 The blue one. They haven't gone[br]after the AIsops or Herb Block. 0:36:51.480,0:36:54.153 Honey, the AIsops and Herb Block... 0:36:54.800,0:36:58.315 ...didn't work for the Institute[br]of International Education in 1934. 0:36:59.080,0:37:00.399 Then I guess it's time. 0:37:07.400,0:37:08.355 You worried? 0:37:11.040,0:37:12.359 I didn't think I was. 0:37:13.000,0:37:15.514 I don't know why.[br]I was in the office on Friday. 0:37:15.840,0:37:18.752 And I answered the phone,[br]it was Howard calling from London. 0:37:18.840,0:37:21.195 And he asked what was going on[br]with McCarthy. 0:37:21.400,0:37:26.394 And before I answered him, I turned[br]and looked over my shoulder... 0:37:26.720,0:37:29.473 ...tosee who was listening.[br]- And who was listening? 0:37:31.240,0:37:32.389 Chairman Mao... 0:37:38.440,0:37:39.839 I'll see you at the office. 0:37:40.760,0:37:42.318 - Hey, your ring![br]- Uh! 0:37:45.480,0:37:46.879 Name me another wife... 0:37:47.320,0:37:49.959 ...who reminds her husband[br]to take off his wedding ring... 0:37:50.040,0:37:53.112 ...before he goes to the office.[br]- Ava Gardner. 0:38:00.160,0:38:03.755 Excuse me, Mr. Friendly. Mr. Murrow,[br]Mr. Paley's on the line for you. 0:38:05.760,0:38:09.230 - Maybe he wants to reimburse us[br]for those ads. - You'd like that! 0:38:09.560,0:38:11.357 - I would like that![br]- This is Ed. 0:38:11.640,0:38:14.916 There's a Knickerbocker game tonight.[br]I've got front row seats. 0:38:15.120,0:38:16.348 Are you interested? 0:38:17.160,0:38:19.993 I'm busy bringing down[br]the network tonight, Bill. 0:38:20.280,0:38:21.235 Is that tonight? 0:38:22.880,0:38:24.108 We're covered, Bill. 0:38:25.000,0:38:26.035 All right. 0:38:27.880,0:38:32.396 - I'm with you today, Ed, and I'm[br]with you tomorrow. - Thanks, Bill. 0:38:47.520,0:38:49.715 Do you know the timing[br]on the first piece? 0:38:51.200,0:38:53.031 Can we hold all the calls, please? 0:38:53.280,0:38:55.396 Hold the calls till after the show.[br]Thank you. 0:38:55.800,0:38:57.836 - You fellas, awake down there?[br]- Okay. 0:38:58.160,0:39:00.833 - Just... what are we? 20?[br]- 30 seconds, Ed. 0:39:16.080,0:39:17.308 10 seconds. 0:39:21.440,0:39:25.831 5, 4,3, 2. 0:39:27.160,0:39:28.559 And pan, camera one. 0:39:31.680,0:39:35.389 Because a report on Senator McCarthy[br]is by definition controversial... 0:39:35.800,0:39:38.030 ...we want to say exactly[br]what we mean to say... 0:39:38.120,0:39:40.759 ...and request your permission[br]to read from a script... 0:39:40.840,0:39:43.274 ...what ever remarks Murrow[br]and Friendly may make. 0:39:43.800,0:39:47.429 If the Senator feels that we have done[br]violence to his words or pictures... 0:39:47.520,0:39:49.670 ...and desires to answer himself... 0:39:49.840,0:39:52.593 ...an opportunity will be afforded him[br]on this program. 0:39:53.000,0:39:55.468 Our working thesis tonight[br]is this quotation: 0:39:56.160,0:39:57.752 ..."If this fight[br]against Communism..." 0:39:57.840,0:40:01.037 "...has made a fight between[br]America's two great political parties..." 0:40:01.120,0:40:04.476 "...the American people know that one[br]of these parties will be destroyed..." 0:40:04.560,0:40:07.870 "...and the Republic cannot endure[br]very long as a one-party system." 0:40:08.320,0:40:09.833 We applaud that statement... 0:40:09.920,0:40:12.070 ...and we think[br]Senator McCarthy ought to. 0:40:12.280,0:40:14.510 He said it[br]17 months ago in Milwaukee. 0:40:15.520,0:40:18.751 The American people realize[br]that this cannot be made a fight... 0:40:18.880,0:40:21.394 ...between America's[br]two great political parties. 0:40:21.480,0:40:23.038 If this fight against Communism... 0:40:23.120,0:40:26.192 ...is made a fight against America's[br]two great political parties... 0:40:26.280,0:40:29.750 ...the American people know that one[br]of those parties will be destroyed... 0:40:29.840,0:40:33.116 ...and the Republic can't endure[br]very long as a one-party system. 0:40:33.920,0:40:36.434 On one thing the Senator[br]has been consistent. 0:40:36.960,0:40:40.157 Often operating as a one-man[br]committee, he has traveled far... 0:40:40.240,0:40:42.356 ...interviewed many,[br]terrorized some... 0:40:42.840,0:40:44.796 ...accused civilian[br]and military leaders... 0:40:44.880,0:40:47.235 ...of the past administration[br]of a great conspiracy... 0:40:47.320,0:40:49.231 ...to turn over the country[br]to Communism. 0:40:49.320,0:40:53.552 I was extremely shocked when I heard[br]that Secretary Stevens... 0:40:54.040,0:40:58.192 ...told 2 Army officers that they had[br]to take part in the cover up... 0:40:58.680,0:41:01.148 ...of those who promoted[br]and coddled Communists. 0:41:01.360,0:41:04.158 As I read his statement, I... 0:41:05.080,0:41:07.958 ...thought of that quotation,[br]"On what meat..." 0:41:08.680,0:41:10.750 "...does this our Caesar feed?". 0:41:10.880,0:41:11.835 The questions is: 0:41:11.920,0:41:14.832 ...did the Civil Liberties Union[br]supply you with an attorney? 0:41:14.920,0:41:17.388 - They did supply an attorney.[br]- The answer is yes? 0:41:17.480,0:41:18.435 The answer is yes. 0:41:18.520,0:41:21.159 Do you think this book[br]did considerable harm? 0:41:21.360,0:41:22.713 Its publication... 0:41:23.760,0:41:26.354 ...by an expression of the views[br]contained in it? 0:41:26.640,0:41:29.837 The sale of that book[br]was so abysmally small... 0:41:30.320,0:41:34.518 ...it was so unsuccessful,[br]that the question of its influence... 0:41:34.920,0:41:36.672 You can go back[br]to the publisher... 0:41:36.760,0:41:40.275 ...you'll see it was one of the most[br]unsuccessful books he ever put out. 0:41:40.360,0:41:42.430 He's still sorry about it,[br]just as I am. 0:41:42.720,0:41:45.792 Well, I think that's a compliment[br]to American intelligence. 0:41:46.640,0:41:47.709 I'll say that. 0:41:48.360,0:41:51.909 The Reed Harris hearing demonstrates[br]one of the Senator's techniques. 0:41:52.000,0:41:53.194 Twice he said... 0:41:53.440,0:41:57.149 ...'The American Civil Liberties Union[br]was listed as a subversive front." 0:41:57.240,0:42:00.118 The Attorney General's list does not[br]and never has listed... 0:42:00.200,0:42:02.919 ...the ACLU as subversive,[br]nor does the FBI... 0:42:03.000,0:42:05.150 ...or any other[br]federal government agency. 0:42:05.480,0:42:08.472 And the American Civil Liberties Union[br]holds in its files... 0:42:08.560,0:42:11.074 ...letters of commendation[br]from President Truman... 0:42:11.160,0:42:13.674 ...President Eisenhower,[br]and General MacArthur. 0:42:14.680,0:42:18.958 Earlier, the Senator asked, "Upon what[br]meat does this our Caesar feed?". 0:42:19.240,0:42:21.834 Had he looked three lines earlier[br]in Shakespeare's "Caesar"... 0:42:21.920,0:42:25.356 ...he would have found this line,[br]which is not altogether inappropriate. 0:42:25.440,0:42:29.558 "The fault, dear Brutus, is not[br]in our stars, but in ourselves." 0:42:30.240,0:42:32.390 No one familiar with the history[br]of this country... 0:42:32.480,0:42:35.074 ...can deny that Congressional[br]committees are useful. 0:42:35.160,0:42:37.913 It is necessary to investigate[br]before legislating... 0:42:38.000,0:42:41.436 ...but the line between investigating[br]and persecuting is a very fine one... 0:42:41.520,0:42:45.229 ...and the junior Senator from Wisconsin[br]has stepped over it repeatedly. 0:42:45.400,0:42:47.868 We must not confuse dissent[br]with disloyalty. 0:42:48.440,0:42:51.398 We must remember always[br]that accusation is not proof... 0:42:51.680,0:42:55.275 ...and that conviction depends[br]upon evidence and due process of law. 0:42:56.200,0:42:58.395 We will not walk in fear,[br]one of another. 0:42:58.480,0:43:01.233 We will not be driven by fear[br]into an age of unreason... 0:43:01.320,0:43:03.880 ...if we dig deep[br]in our history and doctrine... 0:43:04.080,0:43:07.231 ...and remember that we are not[br]descended from fearful men... 0:43:07.400,0:43:10.790 ...not from men who feared to write,[br]to associate, to speak... 0:43:10.880,0:43:14.156 ...and to defend the causes[br]that were for the moment unpopular. 0:43:14.720,0:43:17.951 This is no time for men who oppose[br]Senator McCarthy's methods... 0:43:18.040,0:43:20.508 ...to keep silent,[br]or for those who approve. 0:43:21.200,0:43:23.634 Wec an deny our heritage[br]and our history... 0:43:23.720,0:43:26.393 ...but we cannot escape[br]responsibility for the results. 0:43:26.960,0:43:29.155 We proclaim ourselves,[br]indeed as we are... 0:43:29.240,0:43:33.028 ...the defenders of freedom wherever[br]it continues to exist in the world... 0:43:33.120,0:43:36.476 ...but we cannot defend freedom abroad[br]by deserting it at home. 0:43:37.080,0:43:39.310 The actions of the junior Senator[br]from Wisconsin... 0:43:39.400,0:43:42.278 ...have caused alarm and dismay[br]amongst our allies abroad... 0:43:42.360,0:43:44.794 ...and given considerable comfort[br]to our enemies. 0:43:45.400,0:43:48.198 And whose fault is that?[br]Not really his. 0:43:48.640,0:43:50.870 He didn't create[br]this situation of fear... 0:43:51.120,0:43:53.998 ...he merely exploited it,[br]and rather successfully. 0:43:55.480,0:43:56.754 Cassius was right. 0:43:57.280,0:44:01.478 "The fault, dear Brutus, is not[br]in our stars, but in ourselves." 0:44:02.440,0:44:04.431 Good night, and good luck. 0:44:11.840,0:44:12.909 And we're out. 0:44:26.000,0:44:26.989 Nothing? 0:44:30.080,0:44:31.513 Maybe nobody watched. 0:44:36.400,0:44:38.675 - We got nothing.[br]- I don't know. - Nothing. 0:44:39.160,0:44:41.628 Should I turn the phones back on,[br]Mr. Williams? 0:44:43.080,0:44:45.355 Yes. Now would be[br]a good time for that. 0:44:46.080,0:44:48.150 Turn the phones on![br]Turn the pho... 0:44:48.880,0:44:50.438 Mr. Friendly wants the phones on. 0:44:50.520,0:44:52.192 It's the Junior Senator[br]calling collect. 0:44:52.280,0:44:55.397 Don't kid yourself. It's Reed Harris[br]thanking us for mentioning him. 0:44:55.480,0:44:58.358 I don't know whether all of you[br]have seen what I just saw... 0:44:58.440,0:45:01.034 ...but I want to associate myself[br]and this program... 0:45:01.120,0:45:02.678 ...with what Ed Murrow[br]has just said... 0:45:02.760,0:45:05.399 ...and say I have never been[br]prouder of CBS. 0:45:08.160,0:45:12.073 Senator McCarthy said today that he[br]would demand equal free television... 0:45:16.680,0:45:20.434 Stevenson had charged that the Senator[br]made demagoguery and deceit... 0:45:20.680,0:45:22.398 ...the national policy... 0:45:24.960,0:45:27.030 - Is that Hollenbeck?[br]- Congratulations! 0:45:27.120,0:45:28.109 Great show! 0:45:28.920,0:45:30.148 Feel like a Scotch? 0:45:30.720,0:45:32.711 I think everybody[br]could use a Scotch. 0:46:22.280,0:46:25.352 - It's 3:30, early editions are out.[br]- I'm not worried about that. 0:46:25.440,0:46:27.032 Of course not.[br]Shirley, honey... 0:46:27.120,0:46:29.953 ...would you go across the street[br]and get the early editions? 0:46:30.040,0:46:31.917 - All of them?[br]- Just get O'Brian! 0:46:34.440,0:46:36.271 - Hey, watch my drink![br]- Yeah. 0:47:07.320,0:47:09.072 Okay. Here we go. 0:47:09.640,0:47:12.438 - At last![br]- The Times. - The Times... 0:47:12.560,0:47:13.549 - First?[br]- Good. 0:47:14.200,0:47:15.952 - Who wrote it?[br]- Jack Gould. 0:47:16.480,0:47:17.754 Gould... 0:47:18.240,0:47:21.596 Edward R. Murrows television program[br]on Senator Joseph R. McCarthy... 0:47:21.680,0:47:25.355 ...was an exciting and provocative[br]examination of the man and his methods. 0:47:25.440,0:47:28.830 It was crusading journalism[br]of high responsibility and courage. 0:47:28.920,0:47:31.559 For TV so often plagued[br]by timidity and hesitation... 0:47:31.640,0:47:35.269 ...the program was a milestone[br]that reflected enlightened citizenship. 0:47:35.400,0:47:36.594 The program... Hold on! 0:47:36.680,0:47:39.353 The program was no less[br]an indictment of those who wish... 0:47:39.440,0:47:42.398 ...the problems posed[br]by the Senator's tactics and theatrics... 0:47:42.480,0:47:44.391 ...would just go away[br]and leave them alone. 0:47:44.480,0:47:47.313 That was Mr. Murrows[br]and television's triumph... 0:47:47.400,0:47:48.879 ...and a very great one. 0:47:52.120,0:47:53.189 Here! Here! 0:47:53.360,0:47:55.396 - He hated it.[br]- Yeah. What's his beef? 0:47:56.000,0:47:57.797 Send the New YorkTimes[br]abottle of Scotch. 0:47:57.880,0:47:59.836 I already did. How do you think[br]we got that review? 0:47:59.920,0:48:01.797 - How's the Post?[br]- Pretty good! 0:48:02.480,0:48:04.391 - What about O'Brian?[br]- Uh, the same. 0:48:05.840,0:48:08.752 - Goon, read O'Brian![br]- I don't have it. 0:48:08.840,0:48:10.239 - Got it.[br]- Oh. Here. 0:48:12.400,0:48:14.197 - There we go.[br]- Shirley, that... 0:48:17.680,0:48:21.116 We can't say we were surprised at[br]Murrows "Hate McCarthy" telecast... 0:48:21.200,0:48:24.033 ...last evening, when his explosively[br]one-sided propaganda... 0:48:24.120,0:48:27.317 ...edited with deviously clever[br]selectivity from McCarthy's march... 0:48:27.400,0:48:29.709 ...against Communism,[br]was finished last evening... 0:48:29.800,0:48:33.076 ...by equally Machiavellian coincidence[br]the following telecast... 0:48:33.160,0:48:36.038 ...featured Murrow's PM protege,[br]Hollenbeck. 0:48:36.760,0:48:39.035 In an obviously gloating mood,[br]Hollenbeck... 0:48:39.120,0:48:42.430 ...hoped viewers had witnessed[br]his patron's triumph... 0:48:42.520,0:48:43.794 ...from and for the Left. 0:48:44.920,0:48:46.069 Soon. Soon... 0:48:46.160,0:48:48.196 Shirley, it's okay.[br]Go ahead, finish it. 0:48:48.280,0:48:51.317 - No, that's it. That's it.[br]- Shirley, please, finish it. 0:48:54.360,0:48:58.831 The CBS has been in a lengthy[br]"clean house of Lefties" mood. 0:48:58.920,0:49:00.558 The worst offenders[br]on lesser levels... 0:49:00.640,0:49:02.756 ...have been quietly[br]pushed out of the company. 0:49:02.840,0:49:06.628 Don Hollenbeck, a graduate[br]of the demised pinko publication PM... 0:49:06.720,0:49:10.349 ...attacked conservative papers[br]with sly and slanted propaganda. 0:49:10.440,0:49:12.670 He then proceeded[br]through an equally... 0:49:14.440,0:49:16.158 ...tilted review of the day's events... 0:49:16.240,0:49:19.471 ...with McCarthy dominating his words,[br]actions, attitudes. 0:49:20.400,0:49:21.355 Soon. 0:49:24.040,0:49:26.838 - It's O'Brian. - He didn't get[br]the Scotch, that's all. 0:49:27.280,0:49:30.192 - Is it grammatically correct?[br]- I'll have that cigarette, Ed. 0:49:31.680,0:49:34.592 - Thanks, Shirley.[br]- Oh. - Mmh. - Thank you. 0:49:34.760,0:49:36.955 Joe... Shirley... 0:49:41.680,0:49:42.908 It doesn't matter. 0:49:47.960,0:49:49.029 To Jack Gould! 0:49:50.120,0:49:52.873 - To Jack! To Jack! To Jack Gould![br]- To Jack Gould! 0:49:52.960,0:49:53.915 I love Jack Gould! 0:49:55.800,0:49:57.279 May he rest in peace. 0:49:59.400,0:50:02.119 - Hello, Jimmy.[br]- Fred, congratulations! - Thank you. 0:50:02.880,0:50:05.155 I got such a hangover[br]to go along with the ulcer. 0:50:05.240,0:50:07.037 All the adguys on the 3rd floor[br]watched the show. 0:50:07.120,0:50:09.031 Got a good review[br]in the New York Times. Jack Gould. 0:50:09.120,0:50:10.439 We're putting out a press release... 0:50:10.520,0:50:13.273 ...saying that calls came in[br]15 to 1 in favor of the show. - Really? 0:50:13.360,0:50:15.635 - Yeah. - 15 to 1?[br]- We got calls from everywhere. 0:50:15.920,0:50:19.117 - East Coast or West Coast?[br]- Yeah. Kansas City, Cincinnati... 0:50:20.080,0:50:21.149 Mr. Paley... 0:50:22.200,0:50:24.270 - Morning, Fred.[br]- Morning, Mr. Paley. 0:50:29.120,0:50:30.155 How's your wife? 0:50:30.600,0:50:32.670 She's fine.[br]We're getting ready to move. 0:50:32.760,0:50:35.718 - Really? Where to? - Riverdale.[br]We found a nice house there. 0:50:35.800,0:50:36.755 It's nice there. 0:50:37.560,0:50:38.595 Yes, sir. 0:50:45.360,0:50:46.315 Excuse me. 0:50:46.520,0:50:50.195 Fred! McCarthy wants William Buckey[br]to do his rebuttal. 0:50:51.400,0:50:52.435 I said no. 0:50:54.160,0:50:55.149 Yes, sir. 0:51:01.280,0:51:02.235 Hey, Johnny! 0:51:02.480,0:51:04.630 - Radulovich has been reinstated.[br]- What?! 0:51:04.720,0:51:07.359 Radulovich... Guys![br]Radulovich has been reinstated. 0:51:07.440,0:51:09.237 - Jesse! Jesse![br]- Where is Ed? 0:51:09.320,0:51:11.754 - He's in the bullpen. Why?[br]What's going on? - Jess! 0:51:11.840,0:51:13.273 Got some very good news. 0:51:13.880,0:51:16.838 Special announcement[br]from the Secretary of the Air Force! 0:51:16.920,0:51:18.876 Fellas! Listen up! Everyone! 0:51:19.680,0:51:21.750 I have decided[br]that it is consistent... 0:51:21.840,0:51:24.479 ...with the interests[br]of the National Security to retain... 0:51:24.560,0:51:27.711 ...Lieutenant Radulovich[br]in the United States Air Force. Stop. 0:51:27.880,0:51:31.077 He is not, in my opinion,[br]a security risk. Fullstop. 0:51:33.600,0:51:37.070 There you go. Harold E. Talbott,[br]Secretary from the Air Force. 0:51:37.720,0:51:38.675 Great job! 0:51:38.760,0:51:40.591 - Make a copy of that for me![br]- I will do, Fred! 0:51:40.680,0:51:42.557 Back to work, guys![br]We got a lot of work to do. 0:51:42.640,0:51:43.834 This means something. 0:51:43.920,0:51:45.433 - Good news, huh?[br]- Congratulations! 0:51:45.520,0:51:49.399 - This absolutely means something.[br]- Absolutely. This is the start of... 0:51:56.120,0:51:57.075 Palmer! 0:52:00.040,0:52:01.996 The CBS lawyers wanna talk to you. 0:52:05.440,0:52:06.429 When? 0:52:07.000,0:52:08.069 Tomorrow. 0:52:08.960,0:52:12.191 I don't want you to get paranoid,[br]they're talking to everybody. 0:52:12.280,0:52:13.269 Any ideas? 0:52:14.800,0:52:16.358 Just tell them what you know. 0:52:16.440,0:52:19.034 - Now is that testimony true?[br]- No, sir, it is not. 0:52:19.120,0:52:22.192 Not at any time have I been[br]a member of the Communist Party... 0:52:22.280,0:52:24.510 ...and I have never seen[br]a Communist card. 0:52:24.600,0:52:26.830 - You've never seen a Communist card?[br]- That's right. 0:52:26.920,0:52:28.797 Have you ever attended[br]any Communist meetings? 0:52:28.880,0:52:30.438 No, sir, never. 0:52:30.520,0:52:32.670 Have you ever subscribed[br]to The Daily Worker? 0:52:32.760,0:52:36.389 No, sir. I didn't subscribe to it[br]and I wouldn't pay for it. 0:52:37.160,0:52:42.154 Uh... Now, Mrs. Markward,[br]who was working for the FBI... 0:52:42.840,0:52:46.037 ...who joined the Communist Party[br]under orders from the FBI... 0:52:46.160,0:52:49.197 ...has testified that while[br]she never met you personally... 0:52:49.400,0:52:52.472 ...at a Communist meeting[br]that your name was on the list... 0:52:52.560,0:52:54.630 ...of Communists[br]who were paying dues. 0:52:55.120,0:52:57.759 Uh... Can you shed[br]any light upon that? 0:52:58.600,0:53:01.353 No, sir. I don't even know[br]what the dues are... 0:53:01.520,0:53:04.876 ...or where they were paid.[br]- So you have never paid any money... 0:53:05.880,0:53:07.632 ...to the Communist Party. 0:53:08.360,0:53:09.998 - Is that correct?[br]- That's right. 0:53:10.160,0:53:12.196 You've never paid[br]any dues, payment... 0:53:12.280,0:53:13.872 Thank you very much, Leo! 0:53:14.760,0:53:16.512 Good work, Joe, Charlie. 0:53:17.120,0:53:18.394 Now what is the show? 0:53:18.480,0:53:21.119 Is it defending Annie Lee Moss[br]as not being a Communist? 0:53:21.200,0:53:23.668 - Or is ither Constitutional rights?[br]- Both. - The latter. 0:53:23.760,0:53:26.115 We're much better sticking out[br]the Constitutional issues. 0:53:26.200,0:53:27.838 - Agreed?[br]- The woman is not a Communist spy. 0:53:27.920,0:53:30.434 Joe McCarthy said that they have[br]a spy in the Pentagon... 0:53:30.520,0:53:32.158 ...that spy has gotten[br]into the code room... 0:53:32.240,0:53:33.912 ...and that that spy[br]is Annie Lee Moss. 0:53:34.000,0:53:36.389 I've got New York Times reports.[br]McCarthy asserts he has... 0:53:36.480,0:53:39.199 ...a new red link to Army. Quote,[br]"Senator McCarthy charged today..." 0:53:39.280,0:53:41.714 "...that the Army now employs[br]a woman in its code room..." 0:53:41.800,0:53:44.268 "...who was, and still may be,[br]an active Communist." 0:53:44.360,0:53:45.793 It's the front page[br]of the New York Times. 0:53:45.880,0:53:49.395 No sooner is he done chastising the[br]other committee members for wanting... 0:53:49.480,0:53:52.313 ...to push into the afternoon,[br]than what? Seven questions in... 0:53:52.400,0:53:53.958 ...he ducks out, leaves...[br]- Right. 0:53:54.040,0:53:56.918 - Heleaves. - It's all over[br]the headlines, all over the country. 0:53:57.000,0:53:58.513 Get me copies from any newspaper... 0:53:58.600,0:54:00.158 ...that printed anything[br]about that assertion. 0:54:00.240,0:54:03.437 That's a good idea. You should get[br]the Cincinnati Inquirer. 0:54:03.520,0:54:06.432 - Chicago. - Couple other pieces[br]I think we should include. 0:54:06.520,0:54:09.512 The fact that there's 3 Annie Lee Moss's[br]in the phone book. 0:54:09.600,0:54:12.512 There are 2 Robert Halls,[br]one's colored, one's white. 0:54:12.600,0:54:14.431 We have some footage[br]of the empty chair. 0:54:14.520,0:54:17.557 I think that says it all.[br]Just that picture of McCarthy not... 0:54:17.640,0:54:20.359 McCarthy leaving the hearing[br]after 7 questions... 0:54:20.440,0:54:22.510 ...and then we'll cut[br]to the shot of thechair. 0:54:22.600,0:54:25.160 - We gotta do something about it.[br]- All right, so... 0:54:25.240,0:54:28.949 Excuse me. Mr. Murrow![br]McCarthy wants April 6th. 0:54:32.600,0:54:33.828 Thank you, Natalie. 0:54:38.280,0:54:41.397 Fine. If Charlie shoots it, we get[br]to see it first. We should offer. 0:54:41.480,0:54:43.948 - It's a long shot.[br]- What the hell could McCarthy do? 0:54:44.040,0:54:46.429 Is he gonna debate himself?[br]We just used his words! 0:54:49.640,0:54:51.756 Johnny! Johnny! We know[br]what it's going to be. 0:54:51.840,0:54:54.718 He's going to come after me.[br]There's nothing more he can do. 0:54:54.800,0:54:57.189 He's gonna bet that[br]a Senator trumps a newsman. 0:54:58.080,0:54:59.069 He'll lose. 0:54:59.480,0:55:01.038 Not if we're playing bridge. 0:55:02.680,0:55:05.433 - I'm sorry, guys. I didn't mean[br]to interrupt. - Hey, Don. 0:55:05.520,0:55:07.590 - It's getting fun now![br]- Ed, you have aminute? 0:55:08.040,0:55:11.510 - Yes, I'll be right there.[br]- All right, boys. Playtime's over. 0:55:11.880,0:55:13.199 We have 4 days... 0:55:13.440,0:55:15.829 ...to do a 29 minute show.[br]- Yeah. - All right. 0:55:15.920,0:55:17.319 All right, go ahead.[br]Hi, Mary. 0:55:17.400,0:55:19.038 Hello, Mr. Hollenbeck.[br]Mr. Murrow... 0:55:19.120,0:55:20.872 - Could you give us a moment?[br]- Sure. 0:55:22.680,0:55:23.715 Thank you, dear. 0:55:25.400,0:55:27.994 I have to ask you something, Ed.[br]It's about O'Brian. 0:55:28.080,0:55:29.911 - O'Brian doesn'tmatter.[br]- He's killing me, Ed. 0:55:30.000,0:55:31.718 He doesn't amount to that much[br]in the newsroom. 0:55:31.800,0:55:33.153 We've got to let that guy have it. 0:55:33.240,0:55:36.391 We're not going after O'Brian. I will[br]not take on McCarthy and Hearst. 0:55:36.480,0:55:37.708 I can't defeat them both. 0:55:38.760,0:55:41.911 Just don't read the papers.[br]Or don't read O'Brian, anyway. 0:55:46.920,0:55:49.115 Okay. I guess not. 0:55:50.360,0:55:51.395 Sorry, Don. 0:56:04.920,0:56:06.717 Although Mrs. Moss[br]offered to testify... 0:56:06.800,0:56:09.792 ...Senator McCarthy suggested[br]that she was too sick. 0:56:09.880,0:56:13.429 - She agreed... - Mr. Cohn wanted[br]to know about Mrs. Moss's connection... 0:56:13.520,0:56:17.035 ...to tell the truth, the whole truth,[br]and nothing but the truth... 0:56:17.120,0:56:18.235 ...so help you God? 0:56:21.880,0:56:24.440 May we get your full name[br]for the record, please? 0:56:24.800,0:56:26.074 Annie Lee Moss. 0:56:27.160,0:56:28.752 - M-O-S-S?[br]- That's right. 0:56:29.080,0:56:32.197 Mrs. Moss, let me say for the record,[br]for your information... 0:56:32.280,0:56:34.396 ...for the information[br]of your counsel... 0:56:34.880,0:56:36.757 ...that you are not here because... 0:56:38.040,0:56:42.875 ...you are considered important[br]in the Communist apparatus. 0:56:43.000,0:56:46.356 We have the testimony that you are,[br]and have been, a Communist. 0:56:47.520,0:56:50.751 We are rather curious, however,[br]to kno whow you suddenly... 0:56:52.000,0:56:53.353 ...were shifted from... 0:56:55.200,0:56:58.112 ...a worker in a cafeteria[br]to the code room. 0:56:58.400,0:57:01.551 I am today much more interested... 0:57:02.280,0:57:05.829 ...in the handling of your case... 0:57:06.560,0:57:09.632 ...by your superiors[br]than in your own personal activities. 0:57:10.000,0:57:13.993 However, counsel will question you[br]about your own activities also. 0:57:14.320,0:57:17.278 - Mr. Chairman![br]- We will not hear from counsel. 0:57:17.840,0:57:19.751 You have been told what the rule is. 0:57:20.040,0:57:22.952 If you have anything to say,[br]say it through your client. 0:57:26.480,0:57:30.075 Chairman. Did you begin work[br]at the General Accounting Office in... 0:57:30.920,0:57:33.036 ...1945?[br]- Yes, sir. 0:57:33.880,0:57:37.953 And, prior to that time,[br]had you been a cafeteria worker? 0:57:38.040,0:57:39.314 Yes, I had. 0:57:39.600,0:57:43.752 I see. While in the Pentagon,[br]since 1950... 0:57:44.080,0:57:46.719 ...have you had any connections[br]with coded messages? 0:57:46.800,0:57:48.677 Have you ever handled[br]coded messages? 0:57:49.720,0:57:52.154 - No more than to transmit 'em.[br]- Pardon me? 0:57:52.440,0:57:54.556 No more than to transmit[br]the message. 0:57:54.640,0:57:56.915 Than to transmit them?[br]Did you transmit codes? 0:57:57.000,0:57:59.594 To receive or transmit messages[br]was all I had to do. 0:57:59.680,0:58:02.194 And I've never been[br]into a courtroom in my life. 0:58:02.720,0:58:03.948 Do you know the... 0:58:05.880,0:58:07.472 ...type of classification... 0:58:07.560,0:58:11.553 - Do you know if they were secret,[br]top secret, confidential? - No, sir. 0:58:11.800,0:58:15.031 - You wouldn't know the degree[br]of classification? - No, sir. 0:58:15.440,0:58:16.429 I see. 0:58:17.640,0:58:20.632 I'm afraid I'm going[br]to have to excuse myself, I've got... 0:58:21.760,0:58:25.639 ...a rather important appointment[br]to work on right now... 0:58:25.720,0:58:29.793 ...and I wonder if, Senator Mundt,[br]you would takeover as Chairman? 0:58:34.560,0:58:36.039 - Chairman. Uh...[br]- Cohn. 0:58:36.120,0:58:39.032 I have no further questions[br]of this witness at this time. 0:58:39.120,0:58:43.079 We have the testimony of Mrs. Markward,[br]the undercover agent for the FBI... 0:58:43.360,0:58:46.750 ...stating that Annie Lee Moss[br]was a member, a dues-paying member... 0:58:46.840,0:58:48.512 ...of the Communist Party... 0:58:48.960,0:58:51.155 ...the Northeast Club[br]of the Communist Party. 0:58:51.240,0:58:54.437 We have corroboration[br]of that testimony by another... 0:58:55.400,0:58:57.550 ...witness who was called[br]before the Committee... 0:58:57.640,0:58:59.392 ...and gave a sworn statement[br]to the effect... 0:58:59.480,0:59:02.040 ...that she also knew Mrs. Moss[br]as a member... 0:59:02.120,0:59:04.076 ...of the Northeast Club[br]of the Communist Party. 0:59:04.160,0:59:08.233 She's already lost her job. She's been[br]suspended because of this action. 0:59:08.960,0:59:12.350 I'm not defending her. If she's[br]a Communist, I want her exposed. 0:59:12.680,0:59:16.195 But to make these statements[br]as we've got corroborating evidence... 0:59:16.640,0:59:19.677 ...that she is a Communist,[br]under these circumstances... 0:59:19.760,0:59:23.230 ...I think she's entitled to have it[br]produced here in her presence... 0:59:23.400,0:59:26.551 ...and let the public know about it[br]and let her know about it. 0:59:29.840,0:59:32.991 I don't like to try people[br]by hearsay evidence. 0:59:34.320,0:59:36.959 I'd like to get the witnesses here[br]and try them... 0:59:38.600,0:59:40.238 ...by testimony, under oath. 0:59:40.520,0:59:43.956 The Chair will rule[br]that the comment of Mr. Cohn... 0:59:44.040,0:59:45.598 ...be stricken from the record. 0:59:45.840,0:59:48.274 I didnt ask that, Mr. Chairman! 0:59:48.360,0:59:50.874 ...whether we should try to produce[br]a witness in public... 0:59:50.960,0:59:54.032 ...because the FBI may have[br]her undercover and we don't want to... 0:59:54.120,0:59:58.477 You can't strike these statements[br]made by counsel here as to evidence... 0:59:58.560,1:00:02.599 ...that we're having and withholding.[br]You cannot strike that from the press... 1:00:02.680,1:00:07.595 ...nor from the public mind[br]once it's planted there. That's the... 1:00:09.440,1:00:10.714 ...evil of it! 1:00:11.000,1:00:14.072 - Well, I'd look at it...[br]- I don't think it's fair to a witness... 1:00:14.160,1:00:15.559 ...to a citizen of this country... 1:00:15.640,1:00:17.631 ...to bring them up here[br]and cross-examine them... 1:00:17.720,1:00:19.073 ...then when they get through, say... 1:00:19.160,1:00:21.993 ..."The FBI has got something on you[br]that condemns you." 1:00:22.080,1:00:24.674 - The Chair agrees...[br]- It is not sworn testimony... 1:00:24.760,1:00:28.230 ...it's convicting people[br]by rumor and hearsay and innuendo. 1:00:29.840,1:00:33.310 You will notice that neither Senator[br]McClellan or Senator Symington... 1:00:33.400,1:00:37.552 ...nor this reporter know or claim[br]that Mrs. Moss was or is a Communist. 1:00:38.160,1:00:42.440 They simply claimed that she had the[br]right to meet her accusers face to face. 1:00:56.760,1:01:00.673 One month ago tonight we presented[br]a report on Senator Joseph R. McCarthy. 1:01:01.080,1:01:02.798 We labeled it as controversial. 1:01:03.320,1:01:06.835 Most of that report consisted[br]of words and pictures of the Senator. 1:01:07.400,1:01:08.879 At that time, we said... 1:01:09.040,1:01:12.794 ..."If theSenator believes we havedone[br]violence to his words or pictures..." 1:01:12.880,1:01:15.348 "...if he desires to speak,[br]to answer himself..." 1:01:15.440,1:01:18.432 "...an opportunity would be[br]afforded him on this program." 1:01:18.720,1:01:22.269 The Senator sought the opportunity[br]after 3 weeks... 1:01:22.360,1:01:26.273 ...because he was very busy and wished[br]adequate time to prepare his reply. 1:01:26.800,1:01:27.789 We agreed. 1:01:28.280,1:01:32.273 We placed no restrictions on the manner[br]of the presentation of his reply... 1:01:32.400,1:01:35.358 ...and we suggested that we would not[br]take time to comment... 1:01:35.440,1:01:37.112 ...on this particular program. 1:01:37.640,1:01:41.428 Here now is Senator Joseph R. McCarthy,[br]junior Senator from Wisconsin. 1:01:42.800,1:01:48.875 Good evening. Mr. Edward R. Murrow,[br]Educational Director of the CBS... 1:01:49.840,1:01:52.070 ...devoted his program[br]to an attack... 1:01:52.160,1:01:55.232 ...on the work ofthe US Senate[br]Investigating Committee... 1:01:55.640,1:01:57.756 ...and on me personally[br]as its Chairman. 1:01:58.560,1:02:02.030 Now, over the past 4 years,[br]he has made repeated attacks upon me... 1:02:02.480,1:02:04.198 ...and those fighting Communists. 1:02:05.560,1:02:08.632 Of course, neither Joe McCarthy[br]nor Edward R. Murrow... 1:02:09.280,1:02:12.078 ...is of any great importance[br]as individuals. 1:02:13.120,1:02:14.553 We are only important... 1:02:14.880,1:02:18.759 ...in our relation to the great struggle[br]to preserve our American liberties. 1:02:19.200,1:02:23.716 Now ordinarily, I wouldnt take time[br]out from the important work at hand... 1:02:24.440,1:02:25.634 ...to answer Murrow. 1:02:26.120,1:02:27.599 However, in this case... 1:02:27.680,1:02:31.309 ...I feel justified in doing so[br]because Murrow is the symbol... 1:02:32.040,1:02:33.075 ...the leader... 1:02:33.360,1:02:38.275 ...and the cleverest of the jackal pack[br]which is always found at the throat... 1:02:38.680,1:02:42.559 ...of anyone who dares to expose[br]individual Communists and traitors. 1:02:43.680,1:02:45.557 And I am compelled by the fact... 1:02:45.960,1:02:48.349 ...to say to you[br]that Mr. Edward R. Murrow... 1:02:48.920,1:02:51.354 ...as far back as 20 years ago... 1:02:52.000,1:02:55.276 ...was engaged in propaganda[br]for Communist causes. 1:02:56.440,1:02:59.352 For example, the Institute[br]of International Education... 1:02:59.560,1:03:01.710 ...of which he was[br]the Acting Director... 1:03:02.280,1:03:05.113 ...was chosen to act[br]as a representative... 1:03:05.480,1:03:07.072 ...by a Soviet agency... 1:03:08.160,1:03:13.359 ...to do a job which would normally[br]be done by the Russian secret police. 1:03:14.240,1:03:17.755 Mr. Murrow, by his own admission,[br]was a member of the IWW... 1:03:17.840,1:03:20.274 ...that's the Industrial Workers[br]of the World... 1:03:20.360,1:03:23.033 ...a terrorist organization[br]cited as subversive... 1:03:23.600,1:03:25.989 ...by an Attorney General[br]of the United States. 1:03:26.160,1:03:29.357 Mr. Murrow said on this program[br]and I quote... 1:03:30.120,1:03:33.669 ..."The actions of the junior[br]Senator from Wisconsin..." 1:03:34.960,1:03:38.839 "...have given considerable comfort[br]to the enemy." 1:03:39.440,1:03:43.194 That is the language of our statute[br]of treason, rather strong language. 1:03:43.920,1:03:49.040 If I am giving comfort to our enemies,[br]I ought not to be in the Senate. 1:03:49.360,1:03:51.191 If, on the other hand,[br]Mr. Murrow... 1:03:51.640,1:03:53.631 ...is giving comfort to our enemies... 1:03:53.880,1:03:56.235 ...he ought not to be brought[br]into the homes... 1:03:56.440,1:03:59.876 ...of millions of Americans[br]by the CBS. 1:04:00.000,1:04:01.399 And I want to assure you... 1:04:02.480,1:04:05.358 ...that I will not be deterred... 1:04:06.080,1:04:11.677 ...by the attacks of the Murrows,[br]the Lattimores, the Fosters... 1:04:12.440,1:04:16.228 ...The Daily Worker[br]or the Communist Party itself. 1:04:18.320,1:04:21.312 And I make no claim to leadership. 1:04:23.520,1:04:25.033 Incomplete humility... 1:04:26.800,1:04:30.759 ...I do ask you and every American[br]who loves this country... 1:04:31.440,1:04:32.998 ...to join with me. 1:04:59.920,1:05:01.911 [Everyone talks about the weather.] 1:05:02.720,1:05:05.439 [Wherever you look[br]on America's modern farms...] 1:05:05.720,1:05:09.998 [... aluminum is on the job, helping the[br]farmer do something about the weather.] 1:05:10.840,1:05:13.957 [Aluminum for the farm[br]is one more example of how Alcoa...] 1:05:14.040,1:05:15.359 [... since 1999...] 1:05:15.680,1:05:19.355 [... has continued to pioneer[br]new uses for this vital metal.] 1:05:19.920,1:05:23.879 [New uses of aluminum that mean[br]better farms and better farming.] 1:05:24.480,1:05:27.995 The aluminum from the nation's[br]first and leading producer...] 1:05:28.560,1:05:31.870 [... Alcoa,[br]Aluminum Company of America.] 1:05:32.360,1:05:34.749 Last week, Senator McCarthy[br]appeared on this program... 1:05:34.840,1:05:37.229 ...to correct any errors[br]he might have thought we made... 1:05:37.320,1:05:38.833 ...in our report of March 9th. 1:05:38.920,1:05:42.196 Since he made no reference to any[br]statements of fact that we made... 1:05:42.280,1:05:44.919 ...we must conclude[br]that he found no errors of fact. 1:05:45.800,1:05:48.189 He proved again[br]that anyone who exposes him... 1:05:48.280,1:05:52.717 ...anyone who doesn't share his disregard[br]for decency and human dignity... 1:05:52.840,1:05:55.229 ...and the rights[br]guaranteed by the Constitution... 1:05:55.320,1:05:57.914 ...must be either a Communist[br]or a fellow traveler. 1:05:58.480,1:06:00.198 I fully expected this treatment. 1:06:00.960,1:06:04.270 The Senator added this reporter's name[br]to a long list of individuals... 1:06:04.360,1:06:07.716 ...and institutions he has accused[br]of serving the Communist cause. 1:06:08.080,1:06:09.752 His proposition is very simple: 1:06:10.080,1:06:13.436 ...anyone who criticizes or opposes[br]Senator McCarthy's methods... 1:06:13.640,1:06:14.993 ...must be a Communist. 1:06:15.680,1:06:19.275 And if that be true, there are[br]an awful lot of Communists in the USA. 1:06:19.920,1:06:23.390 For the record, let's consider briefly[br]some of the Senator's charges. 1:06:23.480,1:06:25.471 He claimed, but offered no proof... 1:06:25.560,1:06:28.757 ...that I had been a member of the[br]Industrial Workers of the World. 1:06:28.840,1:06:29.955 That is false. 1:06:30.560,1:06:34.155 I was never a member ofthe IWW,[br]never applied for membership. 1:06:35.240,1:06:37.708 The Senator charged[br]that Professor Harold Laski... 1:06:37.800,1:06:40.712 ...a British scholar and politician,[br]dedicated a book to me. 1:06:40.800,1:06:41.835 That's true. 1:06:42.120,1:06:45.430 He is dead.[br]He was a socialist, I am not. 1:06:46.440,1:06:48.078 He was a civilized individual... 1:06:48.160,1:06:51.277 ...who did not insist upon agreement[br]with his political principles... 1:06:51.360,1:06:54.079 ...as a pre-condition[br]for conversation or friendship. 1:06:54.480,1:06:56.630 I do not agree[br]with his political ideas. 1:06:57.520,1:06:59.909 I ask, as he makes clear[br]in the introduction... 1:07:00.000,1:07:03.310 ...dedicated the book to me,[br]not because of political agreement... 1:07:03.400,1:07:07.075 ...but because he held my wartime[br]broadcast from London in high regard. 1:07:07.560,1:07:09.198 And the dedication so reads. 1:07:10.720,1:07:13.075 I believed 20 years ago[br]and I believe today... 1:07:13.520,1:07:16.990 ...that mature Americans can engage[br]in conversation and controversy... 1:07:17.080,1:07:20.197 ...the clash of ideas, with Communists[br]anywhere in the world... 1:07:20.280,1:07:22.714 ...without becoming[br]contaminated or converted. 1:07:23.480,1:07:25.948 I believe that our faith,[br]our conviction... 1:07:26.320,1:07:28.709 ...our determination[br]are stronger than theirs... 1:07:29.000,1:07:33.232 ...and that we can successfully compete,[br]not only in the area of bombs... 1:07:33.680,1:07:35.432 ...but in the area of ideas. 1:07:37.600,1:07:40.160 I have worked with CBS[br]for more than 19 years. 1:07:40.520,1:07:44.115 The company has subscribed fully[br]to my integrity and responsibility... 1:07:44.200,1:07:46.509 ...as a broadcaster[br]and as a loyal American. 1:07:47.320,1:07:50.630 I require no lectures from the junior[br]Senator from Wisconsin... 1:07:50.720,1:07:53.234 ...as to the dangers[br]or terrors of Communism. 1:07:54.320,1:07:56.595 Having searched my conscience[br]and my files... 1:07:56.680,1:07:59.592 ...I cannot contend that[br]I have always been right or wise... 1:07:59.680,1:08:02.672 ...but I have attempted to pursue[br]thet ruth with diligence... 1:08:02.760,1:08:03.829 ...and to report it... 1:08:03.920,1:08:06.878 ...even though, as in this case,[br]I had been warned in advance... 1:08:06.960,1:08:10.350 ...that I would be subjected[br]to the attentions of Senator McCarthy. 1:08:11.280,1:08:15.239 We shall hope to deal with matters[br]of more vital interest next week. 1:08:16.040,1:08:17.632 Good night, and good luck. 1:08:25.040,1:08:28.669 In the last analysis, the Senator was[br]perched on the television high dive... 1:08:28.760,1:08:30.955 ...and all prepared[br]to make a resounding splash. 1:08:31.040,1:08:33.634 He jumped beautifully,[br]but he neglected to check first... 1:08:33.720,1:08:36.393 ...where he was going to land.[br]It must have been a shock... 1:08:36.480,1:08:39.836 ...to discover that Mr. Murrow[br]had drained the water out of the pool. 1:08:40.680,1:08:43.148 - Is that the Times? Gould?[br]- Yeah, it's Jack Gould. 1:08:43.240,1:08:45.231 - He's a hell of a writer.[br]- Yes, he is. 1:08:45.840,1:08:48.400 - If we can afford him![br]- Stanton's got a public opinion... 1:08:48.480,1:08:49.993 Senate's investigating McCarthy. 1:08:51.040,1:08:52.029 What? 1:08:52.160,1:08:55.630 The Army's charging that McCarthy[br]and Cohn exercised undue pressure... 1:08:55.720,1:08:58.951 ...to get preferential treatment[br]for Schine. - Who's the source? 1:08:59.040,1:09:02.919 - Got a second source? - There isn't,[br]but this is coming out in 2 hours. 1:09:03.000,1:09:06.197 - Who's heading up the investigation?[br]- It's not gonna be McCarthy! 1:09:06.280,1:09:07.998 - Really?[br]- What happened? 1:09:08.160,1:09:10.913 - Also get me the Washington Post![br]- What's going on? 1:09:11.000,1:09:12.433 It's Williams[br]for Jack Thompson. 1:09:12.520,1:09:14.238 The Senate's investigating McCarthy. 1:09:15.040,1:09:17.076 There is an added bit of comedy[br]to this whole story. 1:09:17.160,1:09:19.071 The Committee cannot convene[br]for several days... 1:09:19.160,1:09:21.799 ...because Senator McCarthy[br]has a slight case of laryngitis. 1:09:21.880,1:09:25.589 And he must recover[br]over the desert air of Arizona. 1:09:28.760,1:09:32.150 - But Stevens is going after him[br]and it looks like Joe Welch. - Yeah. 1:09:32.240,1:09:34.549 They're gonna allow each side[br]to call witnesses... 1:09:34.640,1:09:36.392 ...and be privy to other testimony. 1:09:36.680,1:09:40.389 - Fred, we still have a meeting![br]- We're gonna go to talk toThompson. 1:09:42.840,1:09:44.273 No, thanks, Jack. Bye. 1:09:45.120,1:09:47.953 Freddy, we're a hit.[br]Right up there with "Howdy Dowdy"! 1:09:49.200,1:09:51.111 Can I have[br]an outlet satellite, please? 1:09:52.880,1:09:59.228 - 74, 76,47. Thank you.[br]- Murrayville3, 1-2-7-6. 1:10:18.440,1:10:21.432 The fact of newscaster[br]Don Hollenbeck's suicide yesterday... 1:10:21.520,1:10:25.308 ...does not remove from the record[br]that peculiar history... 1:10:26.000,1:10:30.835 ...of the leftist slanting of news[br]indulged consistently by the CBS. 1:10:32.160,1:10:35.277 Hollenbeck was what most astute[br]students of CBS's strange... 1:10:35.600,1:10:37.830 ...and questionable new methods[br]considered... 1:10:37.920,1:10:43.278 ..."typical of its newscasters".[br]By Jack O'Brian. 1:12:13.640,1:12:15.596 Oh, yeah. I like it like that. 1:12:17.760,1:12:21.514 One of the best programs I ever heard[br]was called "CBS Views The Press". 1:12:22.200,1:12:24.555 A great many people liked it,[br]some didn't... 1:12:24.920,1:12:27.434 ...but noone ever called it[br]anything but honest. 1:12:27.840,1:12:31.469 It was the work of an honest reporter.[br]Don Hollenbeck. 1:12:32.400,1:12:34.675 He also worked occasionally[br]on "See It Now'. 1:12:35.360,1:12:38.079 He did the 11 p.m. News[br]over some of these stations. 1:12:38.760,1:12:41.354 He had been sick lately[br]and he died this morning. 1:12:41.920,1:12:44.388 The police said[br]it was suicide... gas. 1:12:46.040,1:12:47.268 Not much of an obit. 1:12:47.720,1:12:50.757 But, at least we got our facts[br]straight, and it was brief. 1:12:51.760,1:12:54.194 And that's all Don Hollenbeck[br]would have asked. 1:12:55.120,1:12:56.838 Good night, and good luck. 1:13:02.240,1:13:04.276 Got to be in Philadelphia[br]this morning. 1:13:05.320,1:13:06.753 What time is your train? 1:13:07.800,1:13:08.755 9:00. 1:13:10.280,1:13:12.748 - Charlie going with you?[br]- Uh-huh. 1:13:21.400,1:13:22.549 Here's a thought. 1:13:24.320,1:13:25.639 What if we're wrong? 1:13:28.200,1:13:29.394 We're not wrong. 1:13:31.040,1:13:32.678 We're not going to look back... 1:13:34.640,1:13:36.676 ...and say we protected[br]the wrong side? 1:13:39.000,1:13:44.120 Protected them from what? In the name[br]of what? What would we be preserving? 1:13:45.200,1:13:48.476 Argument could bemade,[br]'for the greater good". 1:13:50.640,1:13:53.234 Not once you give it all away.[br]It's no good then. 1:13:54.880,1:13:56.199 It's just a thought. 1:14:02.640,1:14:07.191 Senator, may we not drop this? We know[br]he belonged to the Lawyer's Guild. 1:14:07.280,1:14:09.748 And Mr. Cohn nods his head at me. 1:14:09.960,1:14:13.635 - I did you, I think, no personal[br]injury, Mr. Cohn. - No, sir. 1:14:13.720,1:14:16.234 - I meant to do you[br]no personal injury. - No. 1:14:16.400,1:14:19.358 And if I did, I beg your pardon. 1:14:19.760,1:14:24.993 Let us not assassinate this lad[br]further, Senator. You've done enough. 1:14:25.320,1:14:28.710 - Let's... let's...[br]- Have you no sense of decency, sir? 1:14:28.920,1:14:33.835 At long last, have you left[br]no sense of decency? 1:14:34.200,1:14:38.034 - I know this hurts you, Mr. Welch.[br]- Senator, I think it hurts you, too. 1:14:38.160,1:14:41.516 - I'd like to finish this.[br]- Have you some private reservation... 1:14:41.600,1:14:45.229 ...when you take the oath[br]that you will tell the whole truth... 1:14:45.600,1:14:48.637 ...that lets you be the judge[br]of what you will testify to? 1:14:48.800,1:14:52.270 The answer is there's no reservation[br]about telling the whole truth. 1:14:52.440,1:14:57.560 Thank you, sir. Then tell us[br]who delivered the documents to you! 1:14:57.640,1:15:00.552 I don't want to mean that[br]this new fashion is not chic. 1:15:00.640,1:15:04.235 - I think it's just no good for me.[br]- Uh, not for you. 1:15:04.520,1:15:07.114 Milko, anything you care to say[br]on that subject? 1:15:07.200,1:15:08.519 I think no comment. 1:15:12.000,1:15:15.231 It's got to be there. If you can't[br]find it, I cant write about it. 1:15:15.320,1:15:17.629 - Check again.[br]- Charlie said he dropped it off. 1:15:17.720,1:15:20.757 - Charlie said he dropped...[br]- Shirley, can I see you a minute? 1:15:20.960,1:15:22.518 - I got to call you back.[br]- Joe! 1:15:22.640,1:15:23.595 You, too. 1:15:33.480,1:15:34.515 Close the door. 1:15:37.640,1:15:38.675 Have a seat. 1:15:42.160,1:15:45.152 - How are you?[br]- Fine, thank you. - Swell. Yeah. 1:15:45.800,1:15:48.758 Uh, you both are aware[br]that there's a policy at CBS... 1:15:48.840,1:15:50.876 ...that no two employees[br]can be married. 1:15:53.560,1:15:56.836 I want to ask you a question,[br]but I don't want you to answer it. 1:15:56.920,1:15:58.592 I want you to consider it. 1:15:59.720,1:16:01.312 I know you two are married. 1:16:03.320,1:16:04.389 Everyone knows. 1:16:05.520,1:16:06.748 That's not my question. 1:16:07.120,1:16:10.078 In the next few weeks[br]I have to lay off a couple of people. 1:16:10.160,1:16:12.879 We're making some significant cuts[br]across the board. 1:16:14.120,1:16:15.678 I wanted you to know that... 1:16:15.880,1:16:18.713 ...because you could save[br]someone else being fired. 1:16:20.800,1:16:24.509 I'm asking you to consider[br]makng this decision a little easier. 1:16:26.760,1:16:28.352 I don't need an answer now. 1:16:29.840,1:16:31.796 Just think about it. 1:16:33.400,1:16:34.355 Good. 1:16:45.800,1:16:46.994 - Well, Joe...[br]- Well? 1:16:47.400,1:16:50.472 - Sure we'regonna miss you[br]around here. - I'll pack my things. 1:16:53.600,1:16:56.194 - I think it's for the best.[br]- We'll find out! 1:16:58.720,1:16:59.948 Mrs. Wershba... 1:17:02.720,1:17:03.835 Everybody knew. 1:17:12.520,1:17:14.397 Natalie, did he say[br]what it was about? 1:17:14.480,1:17:17.233 No. Just that he wanted to talk[br]to you in his office. 1:17:32.320,1:17:33.389 Uh-oh! 1:17:36.680,1:17:39.990 The problem isn't simply[br]that you've lost your sponsor. 1:17:40.360,1:17:42.590 With Alcoa, "See It Now"[br]still loses money. 1:17:42.680,1:17:43.999 The fee is 50,000 dollars. 1:17:44.080,1:17:46.548 Last week's episode we did[br]for less than 50,000 dollars. 1:17:46.640,1:17:48.471 Fred, you're speakng[br]beyond your competence. 1:17:48.560,1:17:50.869 We'll certainly find another sponsor. 1:17:50.960,1:17:54.509 "64,000 Dollar Question" brings in[br]over 90,000 in sponsors... 1:17:54.600,1:17:56.716 ...and it costs one-third[br]of what youdo. 1:17:56.800,1:17:59.678 Ed, I've got Tuesday night[br]programming that's number one. 1:17:59.760,1:18:03.070 People want to enjoy themselves.[br]They don't want a civics lesson. 1:18:03.160,1:18:05.958 - What do you want, Bill?[br]- I don't want to get a stomachache... 1:18:06.040,1:18:08.429 ...every time you take on[br]a controversial subject. 1:18:10.080,1:18:13.038 I'm afraid that's the price[br]you have to be willing to pay. 1:18:14.400,1:18:17.233 Let's walk very carefully[br]through these next few moments. 1:18:17.320,1:18:19.629 The content of what we're doing[br]is more important... 1:18:19.720,1:18:22.951 ...than what some guy in Cincinnati...[br]- It's what you'redoing, Ed. Not me. 1:18:23.040,1:18:24.109 Not Frank Stanton. You. 1:18:24.480,1:18:28.314 "CBS News", "See It Now"[br]all belong to you, Bill. 1:18:28.400,1:18:29.469 You wouldn't know it. 1:18:31.160,1:18:35.756 - What is it you want? Credit?[br]- I never censored a single program. 1:18:36.680,1:18:40.912 I hold on to affiliates[br]who wanted entertainment from us. 1:18:41.280,1:18:42.998 I fight to keep the license... 1:18:43.080,1:18:46.311 ...with the very same politicians[br]that you are bringing down... 1:18:46.400,1:18:51.235 ...and I never,[br]never said no to you. Never. 1:18:52.560,1:18:55.552 I would argue that we have done[br]very well by one another. 1:18:56.640,1:18:58.471 I would argue that this network... 1:18:59.680,1:19:02.592 ...is defined by what the news[br]department has accomplished. 1:19:02.680,1:19:06.559 And I would also argue that never saying[br]no is not the same as not censoring. 1:19:06.640,1:19:09.677 Really? You should teach journalism.[br]You and Mr. Friendly. 1:19:15.800,1:19:17.074 Let me ask you this: 1:19:18.720,1:19:20.438 ...why didn't you correct McCarthy... 1:19:20.520,1:19:23.432 ...when he said that Alger Hiss[br]was convicted of treason? 1:19:23.640,1:19:27.155 He was only convicted of perjury.[br]You corrected everything else. 1:19:27.800,1:19:30.872 Did you not want the appearance[br]of defending a known Communist? 1:19:30.960,1:19:33.679 I would argue that everyone censors,[br]including you. 1:19:37.520,1:19:39.158 What do you want to do, Bill? 1:19:43.000,1:19:45.833 I'm takng your program[br]from a half an hour to an hour. 1:19:45.920,1:19:49.276 And it wont be a weekly program[br]and it won't be Tuesday nights. 1:19:49.880,1:19:52.155 - When would it be?[br]- Sunday afternoons. 1:19:55.520,1:19:57.715 - How many episodes?[br]- 5. 1:20:00.360,1:20:02.191 Why don't you just fire me, Bill? 1:20:02.320,1:20:04.595 I don't think[br]it's what either of us wants. 1:20:08.880,1:20:10.199 You owe me 5 shows. 1:20:19.800,1:20:22.314 - You won't like the subject matter.[br]- Probably not. 1:20:22.480,1:20:24.550 Fred, I'll need you for a moment. 1:20:38.680,1:20:40.910 - Thank you, Mary.[br]- Goodbye, Mr. Friendly. 1:20:46.880,1:20:50.077 - He wants me to lay a few people off.[br]- I'm sure he does. 1:20:50.240,1:20:53.152 Let's do our first show[br]about the downfall of television. 1:20:56.160,1:20:59.436 - Senate's gonna vote to censure[br]McCarthy tomorrow. - Probably. 1:20:59.520,1:21:02.592 - And then what happens?[br]- He sits in the back row. - Right. 1:21:02.920,1:21:06.959 - They keep him in the Senate.[br]They don't kick him out. - No, he stays. 1:21:17.160,1:21:19.276 Well, we might as well[br]go down swinging. 1:21:23.120,1:21:25.918 Did you know the most trusted man[br]in America is Milton Berle? 1:21:26.000,1:21:27.877 See, you should have worn a dress! 1:21:29.520,1:21:32.034 - Howd does a Scotch sound?[br]- Scotch sounds good. 1:21:33.040,1:21:35.474 - Did you know Joe and Shirley[br]were married? - Sure. 1:21:35.560,1:21:37.516 - Did everyone know?[br]- Pretty much. 1:21:37.600,1:21:40.273 We are proud because[br]from the beginning of this nation... 1:21:40.720,1:21:42.119 ...man can walk upright. 1:21:44.720,1:21:46.870 No matter who he is[br]or who she is. 1:21:47.720,1:21:51.508 He can walk upright[br]and meet his friend or his enemy. 1:21:52.360,1:21:55.272 And he does not fear[br]that because that enemy... 1:21:56.200,1:21:58.270 ...may be in a position[br]of great power... 1:21:59.200,1:22:03.796 ...that he can be suddenly[br]thrown in jail... 1:22:05.280,1:22:08.636 ...to rott here without charges[br]and with no recourse to justice. 1:22:10.600,1:22:13.558 We have the Habeas Corpus Act[br]and we respect it. 1:22:14.360,1:22:17.432 I began by saying that our history[br]will be what we makeit. 1:22:18.160,1:22:19.639 If we go on as we are... 1:22:19.920,1:22:23.356 ...then history will take its revenge,[br]and retribution will not limp... 1:22:23.440,1:22:24.793 ...in catching up with us. 1:22:26.240,1:22:30.074 Just once in a while, let us exalt the[br]importance of ideas and information. 1:22:31.400,1:22:34.710 Let us dream to the extent of saying[br]that on a given Sunday night... 1:22:34.800,1:22:36.950 ...the time normally[br]occupied by Ed Sullivan... 1:22:37.040,1:22:40.669 ...is given over to a clinical survey[br]on the state of American education. 1:22:40.760,1:22:44.036 And a week or two later, the time[br]normally used by Steve Allen... 1:22:44.120,1:22:48.238 ...is devoted to a thorough-going study[br]of American policy in the Middle East. 1:22:49.160,1:22:52.550 Would the corporate image of their[br]respective sponsors be damaged? 1:22:52.840,1:22:55.912 Would the shareholders rise up[br]in their wrath and complain? 1:22:56.680,1:22:57.635 Would anything happen... 1:22:57.720,1:23:01.349 ...other than a few million people would[br]have received a little illumination... 1:23:01.440,1:23:04.557 ...on subjects that may well determine[br]the future of this country... 1:23:04.640,1:23:07.029 ...and therefore the future[br]of the corporations? 1:23:07.760,1:23:11.036 To those who say, "People wouldn't[br]look, they wouldn't be interested..." 1:23:11.120,1:23:13.998 "...they're tooc omplacent,[br]indifferent and insulated"... 1:23:14.200,1:23:17.909 ...I can only reply: There is,[br]in one reporter's opinion... 1:23:18.360,1:23:20.874 ...considerable evidence[br]against that contention. 1:23:21.880,1:23:24.758 But even if they are right,[br]what have they got to lose? 1:23:25.000,1:23:26.513 Because if they are right... 1:23:26.600,1:23:28.556 ...and this instrument[br]is good for nothing... 1:23:28.640,1:23:31.074 ...but to entertain,[br]amuse and insulate... 1:23:31.760,1:23:33.557 ...then the tube is flickering now... 1:23:33.640,1:23:36.598 ...and we will soon see[br]that the whole struggle is lost. 1:23:37.520,1:23:38.999 This instrument can teach. 1:23:39.400,1:23:41.789 It can illuminate[br]and it can even inspire. 1:23:42.440,1:23:46.353 But it can do so only to the extent[br]that humans are determined to use it... 1:23:46.440,1:23:47.793 ...towards those ends. 1:23:49.160,1:23:51.628 Otherwise,[br]it is merely wiresand lights... 1:23:52.320,1:23:53.435 ...in a box. 1:23:56.400,1:23:58.755 Good night, and good luck.