WEBVTT 00:02:35.360 --> 00:02:39.069 In 1935, Ed Murrow began his career with CBS. 00:02:39.840 --> 00:02:41.432 When World War Two broke out... 00:02:41.520 --> 00:02:44.193 ...his voice brought the battle of Britain home to us... 00:02:44.280 --> 00:02:46.635 ...through his "This Is London" radio series. 00:02:47.520 --> 00:02:48.999 He started with us all... 00:02:49.120 --> 00:02:52.396 ...many of us here tonight, when television was in its infancy... 00:02:52.480 --> 00:02:54.835 ...with the news documentary show, "See It Now'. 00:02:55.000 --> 00:02:56.672 He threw stones at giants. 00:02:57.720 --> 00:03:00.837 Segregation, exploitation of migrant workers... 00:03:01.040 --> 00:03:03.031 ...apartheid, J. Edgar Hoover... 00:03:03.880 --> 00:03:07.839 ...not the least of which, his historical fight with Senator McCarthy. 00:03:08.920 --> 00:03:12.390 He is the host of our enormously popular show "Person to Person"... 00:03:13.080 --> 00:03:15.753 ...and tonight he is here with his son, Casey... 00:03:16.200 --> 00:03:19.397 ...wife, Janet, and all of you who he's worked with... 00:03:19.720 --> 00:03:22.678 ...inspired, lectured, and taught. 00:03:23.760 --> 00:03:25.034 Ladies and gentlemen... 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:29.113 ...the Radio-Television News Directors' Association and Foundation welcomes... 00:03:29.200 --> 00:03:31.350 ...Mr. Edward R. Murrow. 00:03:51.160 --> 00:03:53.230 This might just do nobody any good. 00:03:54.080 --> 00:03:57.675 At the end of this discourse a few people may accuse this reporter... 00:03:57.760 --> 00:03:59.876 ...of fouling his own comfortable nest... 00:04:00.280 --> 00:04:03.670 ...and your organization may be accused of having given hospitality... 00:04:03.760 --> 00:04:06.035 ...to heretical and even dangerous ideas. 00:04:07.040 --> 00:04:09.235 But the elaborate structure of networks... 00:04:09.320 --> 00:04:12.995 ...advertising agencies, and sponsors will not be shaken or altered. 00:04:13.840 --> 00:04:17.116 It is my desire, if not my duty, to try to talk to you journeymen... 00:04:17.200 --> 00:04:20.590 ...with some candor about what is happening to radio andtelevision. 00:04:20.680 --> 00:04:22.557 And if what I say is responsible... 00:04:22.960 --> 00:04:25.428 ...I alone am responsible for the saying ofit. 00:04:26.600 --> 00:04:28.670 Our history will be what we make of it. 00:04:29.520 --> 00:04:32.956 And if there are any historians about 50 or 100 years from now... 00:04:33.040 --> 00:04:34.598 ...and there should be preserved... 00:04:34.680 --> 00:04:37.399 ...the kinescopes of one week of all three networks... 00:04:37.800 --> 00:04:41.315 ...they will there find recorded in black and white, and in color... 00:04:41.880 --> 00:04:43.836 ...evidence of decadence, escapism... 00:04:43.920 --> 00:04:47.390 ...and insulation from the realities of the world in which we live. 00:04:47.920 --> 00:04:51.549 We are currently wealthy, fat, comfortable, and complacent. 00:04:52.400 --> 00:04:55.915 We have a built-in allergy to unpleasant or disturbing information. 00:04:56.120 --> 00:04:58.236 Our mass media reflect this. 00:04:59.200 --> 00:05:01.475 But unless we get up off our fat surpluses... 00:05:01.560 --> 00:05:03.915 ...and recognize that television in the main... 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:08.039 ...is being used to distract, delude, amuse, and insulate us... 00:05:08.520 --> 00:05:10.715 ...then television and those who finance it... 00:05:10.800 --> 00:05:13.598 ...those who look at it and those who work at it... 00:05:13.920 --> 00:05:16.388 ...may see atotally different picture too late. 00:06:01.440 --> 00:06:04.512 Millie! Just the person I wanted to see! Come here! 00:06:13.920 --> 00:06:15.990 This goes at the top of the Roy Campanella piece. 00:06:16.080 --> 00:06:17.149 Yes! Give me a half an hour. 00:06:17.240 --> 00:06:18.992 I may need it a little quicker than that! 00:06:19.080 --> 00:06:22.072 - Can I get some coffee first? - Come on! Get me some coffee! 00:06:24.080 --> 00:06:25.195 Morning, Johnny! 00:06:25.280 --> 00:06:28.272 I have some new notes that go with the Tito footage for Fred. 00:06:28.360 --> 00:06:29.554 Fred's gonna be in in an hour. 00:06:29.640 --> 00:06:32.712 I already put them on his desk. Can you just make sure that... 00:06:32.800 --> 00:06:35.473 ...he doesn't look at the film until he reads the notes? 00:06:35.560 --> 00:06:36.834 - Yes. - Thank you. 00:06:37.160 --> 00:06:38.149 Hey, Joe! Shirley! 00:06:39.640 --> 00:06:41.915 - What's going on in here? - What do you mean? 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:43.831 Two attractive people alone in the copy room! 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:45.148 Don't tell Paley, he'll fire me. 00:06:45.240 --> 00:06:46.673 He'll fire both of us, Shirley. 00:06:46.760 --> 00:06:49.433 - Rules are made to be broken! - You can afford to say that. 00:06:53.880 --> 00:06:55.074 Let me see this. 00:06:58.560 --> 00:07:02.030 - It's simply a loyalty oath. - To CBS? - And to America. 00:07:02.280 --> 00:07:03.713 You promise to be a loyal American? 00:07:03.800 --> 00:07:05.870 I know. All of the reporters have signed this. 00:07:05.960 --> 00:07:07.598 Who are you promising this to? CBS? 00:07:07.680 --> 00:07:09.591 Fred signed it. Murrow signed it. 00:07:09.680 --> 00:07:10.999 - Murrow signed it? - Yeah. 00:07:12.400 --> 00:07:14.072 Are you now or have you ever been... 00:07:14.160 --> 00:07:16.310 I thought it was a joke, but there's a lot of pressure. 00:07:16.400 --> 00:07:18.834 ...on the Attorney General's list of subversive groups? 00:07:18.920 --> 00:07:21.036 - I don't know. - Let's think about it. 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:24.556 What is it really saying? Is it a civil liberties issue or censorship? 00:07:24.640 --> 00:07:26.870 Am I simply stating to CBS that I'm not a Communist? 00:07:26.960 --> 00:07:29.190 - Murrow signed this? - And Fred and Stanton. 00:07:29.280 --> 00:07:32.317 - Maybe you should talk toMurrow. - Maybe I should sign it. 00:07:33.440 --> 00:07:36.113 If you don't sign this, are you and I a target? 00:07:38.320 --> 00:07:40.197 If I don'tsign it, they'll fire me. 00:07:46.400 --> 00:07:47.355 Sign it. 00:07:47.760 --> 00:07:49.830 Finally we can tell everyone the truth. 00:07:51.080 --> 00:07:54.356 If I could express it in what's in my heart now... 00:07:54.720 --> 00:07:58.918 ...I'd do it in the terms of the poet who once said... 00:07:59.480 --> 00:08:02.711 ..."Ah, 'tis but a dainty flower I bring to you." 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:05.636 'Yes, 'tis but a violet..." 00:08:06.560 --> 00:08:07.993 "...glistening with dew." 00:08:08.960 --> 00:08:12.350 "But still in its heart there lie beauties concealed." 00:08:13.400 --> 00:08:14.992 "So in our heart..." 00:08:16.360 --> 00:08:17.873 "...our love for you..." 00:08:18.840 --> 00:08:21.308 "...lies unrevealed." 00:08:23.720 --> 00:08:24.789 I used to... 00:08:30.720 --> 00:08:35.510 ...pride myself on the idea that I was a bit... tough... 00:08:37.240 --> 00:08:43.190 ...especially over the past 19-19 months, when we've been... 00:08:43.800 --> 00:08:46.712 ...kicked around, and bullwhipped, and damned. 00:08:47.960 --> 00:08:49.234 I didnt think that... 00:08:51.440 --> 00:08:54.318 ...I could be... touched very deeply. 00:08:54.520 --> 00:08:56.670 Okay, that's enough. That's enough, Leo. 00:08:56.760 --> 00:08:58.716 - It's short. - Howlong is the piece? 00:08:58.800 --> 00:09:00.472 It's 4 minutes, but we can cut it down. 00:09:00.560 --> 00:09:03.233 It cant stand alone, but it might be a nice companion piece. 00:09:03.320 --> 00:09:05.550 Let's go through this one more time. Palmer! 00:09:05.640 --> 00:09:08.837 Yep, got a call from the office of Senator Morse this morning... 00:09:08.920 --> 00:09:11.912 ...interested in setting up a debate possibly with Senator Kerr... 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:14.355 ...over the comments Bentsen made on last night's show. 00:09:14.440 --> 00:09:17.557 Secretary of Agriculture? Good idea! Can they do it by this week? 00:09:17.640 --> 00:09:20.108 No, it would have to be 2 weeks at the earliest... 00:09:20.200 --> 00:09:23.397 ...depending on Morse's schedule. But still it's a great idea. 00:09:23.480 --> 00:09:26.677 Let's follow up on that. "Hoover speaks on Benjamin Franklin." 00:09:26.760 --> 00:09:29.752 We're having better luck with Mr. Benjamin Frankin... 00:09:29.840 --> 00:09:31.034 ...than with Mr. Hoover. 00:09:31.120 --> 00:09:33.475 It may progress better as a "Person to Person". 00:09:33.560 --> 00:09:35.915 "At home with Ben Frankin. His electricity awards." 00:09:36.000 --> 00:09:37.831 We've got the footage, we need to contact him. 00:09:37.920 --> 00:09:41.469 See if you can contact him and get the shot. He wants to do the story. Joe! 00:09:41.560 --> 00:09:43.232 Member Delbert Clark? No longer with us. 00:09:43.320 --> 00:09:45.754 - New York Times? - Yeah. - Our friend at the Times. 00:09:45.840 --> 00:09:48.434 This was yesterday morning, they're saying it's... 00:09:48.640 --> 00:09:52.076 - How old was he? - 53. Sudden illness. 00:09:52.160 --> 00:09:54.720 - Home of a friend. - No, it's not a nobit piece. 00:09:54.880 --> 00:09:57.314 Natalie send some flowers over there from us. 00:09:57.760 --> 00:09:59.990 Couple things. Case before the Supreme Court... 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:03.834 ...involving the constitutionality of a section of the Internal Security Act... 00:10:03.920 --> 00:10:05.797 ...provides for the deportation of any alien... 00:10:05.880 --> 00:10:08.519 ...if he becomes a Communist after entering this country. 00:10:09.040 --> 00:10:10.075 Can you take this? 00:10:10.160 --> 00:10:12.628 All right. McCarthy interrupting his wedding trip... 00:10:12.720 --> 00:10:16.076 ...to take charge of the investigation of Communist infiltration... 00:10:16.160 --> 00:10:18.469 - Natalie, send some flowers. - Poor Mrs. McCarthy! 00:10:18.560 --> 00:10:20.596 May I finish? It's national security! 00:10:20.680 --> 00:10:23.353 - A real ladies' man! - Well, they're in love. 00:10:23.840 --> 00:10:28.038 We have no show for Tuesday, fellows. So get out there and make some news. 00:10:28.840 --> 00:10:32.037 Rob a bank. Mug an old lady. Do something. 00:10:32.800 --> 00:10:35.314 - You look at the Secretary Stevens footage? - We will. 00:10:35.400 --> 00:10:37.834 Watch it all the way to the end, it's worth it. 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:40.509 Thank you, John. 00:10:41.400 --> 00:10:42.719 There's notmuch there. 00:10:42.840 --> 00:10:46.196 I can't tie it to the Eisenhower in the back of the train piece. 00:10:46.480 --> 00:10:49.711 - You ever spend any time in Detroit, Fred? - Not recently. 00:10:51.040 --> 00:10:54.157 There's a story here in the Detroit News, Dexter, Michigan. 00:10:54.880 --> 00:10:56.871 A kid named Milo Radulovich. 00:10:58.400 --> 00:11:01.995 - Italian? - Irish. Air Force kicked him out because his dad... 00:11:02.080 --> 00:11:06.517 ...reads ome Serbian newspaper. - Was he a Communist? - I don't know. 00:11:06.600 --> 00:11:08.352 - Who brought the charges? - Air Force. 00:11:09.120 --> 00:11:11.634 Charges were in a sealed envelope, nobody saw them. 00:11:11.720 --> 00:11:14.871 - Not even at the hearing? - He was declared guilty without a trial... 00:11:14.960 --> 00:11:16.632 ...and told if he wanted to keep his job... 00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:19.871 ...he had to denounce his father and his sister. Thank you, Natalie. 00:11:19.960 --> 00:11:22.315 - His sister? - He told them to take a hike. 00:11:23.960 --> 00:11:27.475 Let's send Joe and Charlie down there, see if he's any good on camera. 00:11:27.560 --> 00:11:29.755 Is he being brought before the Committee? 00:11:30.440 --> 00:11:31.395 No. 00:11:32.480 --> 00:11:33.799 Then it's not McCarthy. 00:11:35.360 --> 00:11:36.315 Isn't it? 00:11:42.160 --> 00:11:43.639 Milo Radulovich. 00:11:47.720 --> 00:11:49.073 What happens to your children... 00:11:49.160 --> 00:11:51.958 ...your 5-year-old and your 5-month-old in terms of you? 00:11:52.040 --> 00:11:54.873 If I am being judged on my relatives... 00:11:55.840 --> 00:12:00.709 ...are my children going to be asked to denounce me? 00:12:00.800 --> 00:12:04.679 Are they going to be judged on what their father was labeled? 00:12:05.360 --> 00:12:10.150 Are they going to have to explain to their friends, etc... 00:12:10.240 --> 00:12:12.470 ...why their father is a security risk? 00:12:13.400 --> 00:12:17.871 If the thing is let stand as it, the first recommendation... 00:12:18.160 --> 00:12:22.199 ...was sent out by the board, I see a chain reaction that... 00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:25.155 ...has no end to anybody, for anybody. 00:12:31.560 --> 00:12:32.834 Well, that's new. 00:12:34.000 --> 00:12:35.558 You can't call this a neutral piece. 00:12:35.640 --> 00:12:38.791 The other side's been represented rather well for the last 2 years. 00:12:38.880 --> 00:12:40.393 The Air Force hasn't gone on the record. 00:12:40.480 --> 00:12:43.392 So you want to forego the standards you've stuck to for 15 years... 00:12:43.480 --> 00:12:44.674 ...both sides, no commentary. 00:12:44.760 --> 00:12:47.638 - We all editorialize. - I'm just making sure we identify what... 00:12:47.720 --> 00:12:49.312 We're giving them the information up front... 00:12:49.400 --> 00:12:50.913 ...and we're asking them to comment on it. 00:12:51.000 --> 00:12:51.989 Frank, hold on. 00:12:52.720 --> 00:12:54.312 I've searched my conscience. 00:12:54.480 --> 00:12:57.552 I can't for the life of me find any justification for this. 00:12:57.640 --> 00:13:00.393 I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story... 00:13:00.480 --> 00:13:02.436 ...two equal and logical sides to an argument. 00:13:02.520 --> 00:13:05.353 - Call it editorializing, if you'd like. - It is editorializing. 00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:07.078 They'll have equal time to defend themselves. 00:13:07.160 --> 00:13:09.151 Do you understand the position you're putting us in? 00:13:09.240 --> 00:13:12.073 We are all in this together, if the Senate wants to investigate... 00:13:12.160 --> 00:13:13.149 Do me a favor... 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:16.437 ...avoid any big speeches about how we're all in a big boat together! 00:13:16.520 --> 00:13:17.669 Please, don't insult me. 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:22.159 I have to go back to Mr. Paley and Alcoa, who sponsors your show... 00:13:22.640 --> 00:13:24.870 ...and also have some military contracts... 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:28.032 ...and I have to tell them that they're going to be in a tough bind... 00:13:28.120 --> 00:13:30.076 ...because of a beef you had with Joe McCarthy. 00:13:30.160 --> 00:13:33.152 - We're not going at McCarthy. - You're starting the goddamn fire. 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:36.471 Excuse me. Mr. Friendly, there's a Colonel Anderson to see you? 00:13:36.560 --> 00:13:39.916 - Colonel? - He's in your office. There are two of them. 00:13:41.640 --> 00:13:44.757 Maybe they liked the transcript, and want to compliment us on it. 00:13:45.320 --> 00:13:46.309 Excuse me. 00:13:54.160 --> 00:13:56.799 Go after Joe Kennedy. We'll pay for it. 00:13:57.280 --> 00:13:59.271 I've got a great story about Hoover. 00:14:03.080 --> 00:14:05.435 You know how many shows you're going to have to do... 00:14:05.520 --> 00:14:08.478 ...to make up for this? - And Judy and her daughter Liza next week. 00:14:08.560 --> 00:14:10.551 No, no. You're interviewing Rin Tin Tin! 00:14:15.440 --> 00:14:16.919 I'll talk to Mr. Paley. 00:14:19.400 --> 00:14:21.152 Alcoa wont pay for the ads. 00:14:22.120 --> 00:14:25.635 And we probably wont either. But nobody'll stop you. 00:14:25.720 --> 00:14:26.835 How much are the ads? 00:14:29.000 --> 00:14:32.037 - 3,000. - I'll split it with Fred. 00:14:33.560 --> 00:14:36.757 He just won't have Christmas presents for his kids this year. 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:40.152 - He's a Jew. - Don't tell him that, he loves Christmas. 00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:51.838 - To be clear, you did speak with the lawyers? - Yes, we did. 00:14:51.920 --> 00:14:55.071 And we read the transcript. We've not been allowed to see the footage. 00:14:55.160 --> 00:14:58.072 Mack is on a plane from Dexter right now with the last interviews. 00:14:58.160 --> 00:14:59.832 We'll be going right down to the wire. 00:14:59.920 --> 00:15:04.391 Your show airs tomorrow. How can we possibly approve and check... 00:15:04.480 --> 00:15:08.029 ...your story in the limited amount of time you have given us? 00:15:08.120 --> 00:15:11.669 With all due respect, you have been invited to participate in this piece... 00:15:11.760 --> 00:15:13.079 ...not to approve it. 00:15:13.680 --> 00:15:16.592 We are going with the story that says that the U.S. Air Force... 00:15:16.680 --> 00:15:19.114 ...tried Milo Radulovich without any evidence... 00:15:19.200 --> 00:15:21.668 ...and found him guilty of being a security risk... 00:15:21.760 --> 00:15:25.275 ...without his Constitutional rights... - You have not seen the evidence... 00:15:25.360 --> 00:15:27.590 ...and are claiming he's not a security risk. 00:15:27.680 --> 00:15:31.639 Wouldn't you guess that those who have seen the contents of that envelope... 00:15:31.720 --> 00:15:35.599 ...might have a better idea of what makes someone a danger to his country? 00:15:35.680 --> 00:15:38.877 - Who? Who? - Or do you think it should just be you that decides? 00:15:38.960 --> 00:15:41.428 Who are the people? Are they elected? Are they appointed? 00:15:41.520 --> 00:15:44.080 Do they have an axe to grind? Is it you, sir? 00:15:44.320 --> 00:15:48.393 Or you, Colonel Jenkns? Do you know the contents of that sealed envelope? 00:15:49.360 --> 00:15:54.673 We have been a friend and ally of both Mr. Murrow and CBS News for many years. 00:15:55.240 --> 00:15:58.391 The story you are going to run tomorrow is without merit. 00:15:58.880 --> 00:16:01.872 So before you take any steps that cannot be undone... 00:16:02.240 --> 00:16:04.800 ...I strongly urge you to reconsider your stand. 00:16:05.440 --> 00:16:08.750 These are very dangerous waters you are attempting to navigate. 00:16:14.600 --> 00:16:20.232 We have had no hearing at all. We have had noday in court. 00:16:20.640 --> 00:16:24.599 In all the 32 years that I have been a practicing attorney in Detroit... 00:16:24.800 --> 00:16:29.157 ...I have never witnessed such a farce and travesty upon justice... 00:16:29.240 --> 00:16:31.151 ...as this thing has developed. 00:16:31.440 --> 00:16:34.113 - Now this whole theory... - Eddie, just take the first reel. 00:16:34.200 --> 00:16:36.077 Tell John I left 5 seconds extra leader. 00:16:36.160 --> 00:16:39.391 5 seconds! I got it! Palmer, where's Joe? Have you seen Joe? 00:16:39.480 --> 00:16:40.708 He's on his way to the control room. 00:16:40.800 --> 00:16:42.392 We're gonna have to do the voice-over live. 00:16:42.480 --> 00:16:44.198 Natalie, I need a booth with a live mic. 00:16:44.280 --> 00:16:45.474 Booth is there, it's already set. 00:16:45.560 --> 00:16:47.676 We didn't have time to sync the voice-over out. 00:16:47.920 --> 00:16:49.512 That's not what I asked for. 00:16:51.120 --> 00:16:52.997 It's missing the voice-over on the last piece. 00:16:53.080 --> 00:16:55.116 There's a commercial in the booth. What shall I do? 00:16:55.200 --> 00:16:57.839 - 2 minutes to air! - There's not supposed to be a commercial! 00:16:57.920 --> 00:16:59.148 Get himout of the booth! 00:17:02.560 --> 00:17:04.676 2-and-a-half minutes on the end piece. 00:17:05.800 --> 00:17:08.394 Keep it down, please. It's a little loud. 00:17:08.520 --> 00:17:09.748 2 minutes to air, fellas. 00:17:11.120 --> 00:17:14.317 - He's gonna add a joke. - Charlie, loan me your lighter. 00:17:16.120 --> 00:17:19.317 Make sure you know that I swap with those two pieces of parents. 00:17:19.400 --> 00:17:22.278 - As long as he talks fast because... - He will talk fast. 00:17:27.200 --> 00:17:28.315 We got the film. 00:17:29.480 --> 00:17:30.674 Will it be ready? 00:17:31.160 --> 00:17:32.149 You bet. 00:17:37.880 --> 00:17:39.074 Funny thing, Freddy! 00:17:39.520 --> 00:17:42.671 Every time you light a cigarette for me, I know you're lying. 00:17:56.680 --> 00:17:59.478 It occurs t ome we might not get away with this one. 00:18:05.600 --> 00:18:08.512 Alcoa, the aluminum company of America... 00:18:08.600 --> 00:18:10.670 - 10 seconds. - You fellas, ready? Okay. 00:18:10.920 --> 00:18:12.148 Ready on camera 1. 00:18:18.840 --> 00:18:22.958 5, 4,3, 2. 00:18:25.720 --> 00:18:26.914 Pan, camera 1. 00:18:28.400 --> 00:18:29.355 Good evening. 00:18:29.800 --> 00:18:33.315 A few weeks ago there occurred a few obscure notices in the newspapers... 00:18:33.400 --> 00:18:35.118 ...about Milo Radulovich... 00:18:35.480 --> 00:18:37.596 ...a lieutenant in the Air Force Reserves. 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:41.435 And, also, something about Air Force regulation 35-62... 00:18:42.280 --> 00:18:45.716 ...which states that a man may be regarded as a security risk... 00:18:45.800 --> 00:18:48.917 ...if he has close and continuing association with Communists... 00:18:49.000 --> 00:18:51.594 ...or people believed to have Communist sympathies. 00:18:52.480 --> 00:18:55.870 Lieutenant Radulovich was asked to resign in August. He declined. 00:18:56.120 --> 00:18:58.236 A board was called and heard his case. 00:18:58.320 --> 00:19:01.790 At the end it was recommended that he be severed from the Air Force... 00:19:01.880 --> 00:19:05.156 ...although it was also stated that there was no question whatever... 00:19:05.240 --> 00:19:06.992 ...as to the Lieutenant's loyalty. 00:19:07.120 --> 00:19:09.429 We propose to examine, in so far as we can... 00:19:09.520 --> 00:19:11.556 ...the case of Lieutenant Radulovich. 00:19:11.760 --> 00:19:14.433 Our reporter, Joe Wershba, cameraman, Charlie Mack. 00:19:15.320 --> 00:19:18.198 This is the town of Dexter, Michigan. Population 1500. 00:19:18.600 --> 00:19:21.751 This statue is at the end of Ann Arbor Street erected by... 00:19:21.840 --> 00:19:23.717 What did the General tell you yesterday? 00:19:23.880 --> 00:19:26.997 - A Colonel. There were two of them. - That makes a General. 00:19:27.120 --> 00:19:28.439 They weren't too pleased. 00:19:29.280 --> 00:19:31.157 You're gonna get audited this year. 00:19:31.520 --> 00:19:34.557 Not me, you. I told them I didn't want to do the story. 00:19:35.800 --> 00:19:38.314 - You always were yellow. - Better than red. 00:19:45.160 --> 00:19:46.229 In 10 seconds. 00:19:50.520 --> 00:19:53.034 This is the sister, Margaret Radulovich Fishman. 00:19:53.400 --> 00:19:56.437 She neither defends nor explains her political activities. 00:19:56.640 --> 00:20:01.236 I feel that my activities, be what they may... 00:20:01.320 --> 00:20:04.153 ...or my political beliefs are my own private affair. 00:20:04.640 --> 00:20:09.589 Are my children going to be asked to denounce me? 00:20:09.680 --> 00:20:13.639 Are they going to be judged on what their father was labeled? 00:20:14.080 --> 00:20:18.790 Are they going to have to explain to their friends, etc... 00:20:18.920 --> 00:20:20.876 ...why their father is a security risk? 00:20:21.760 --> 00:20:26.470 I see, absolutely, that this is a chain reaction. 00:20:26.840 --> 00:20:30.958 If the thing is let stand as it, the first recommendation... 00:20:31.040 --> 00:20:35.158 ...was sent out by the board I see a chain reaction... 00:20:35.240 --> 00:20:38.550 ...that has no end to anybody, for anybody. 00:20:39.400 --> 00:20:42.358 Perhaps you will permit me to read a few sentences... 00:20:42.440 --> 00:20:45.432 ...because I would like to say rather precisely what I mean. 00:20:45.840 --> 00:20:48.479 We have told the Air Force that we will provide facilities... 00:20:48.560 --> 00:20:51.518 ...for any comments, criticisms, or corrections it may wish to make... 00:20:51.600 --> 00:20:53.511 ...as to the case of Milo Radulovich. 00:20:54.760 --> 00:20:58.116 We are unable to judge the charges against his father or sister... 00:20:58.200 --> 00:21:01.397 ...because neither we, nor you, nor they, nor the lawyers... 00:21:01.480 --> 00:21:05.359 ...nor the Lieutenant, know what was contained in that manila envelope. 00:21:06.040 --> 00:21:09.077 Was it hearsay, rumor, gossip, slander... 00:21:09.320 --> 00:21:13.199 ...or hard ascertainable facts that could be backed by credible witnesses? 00:21:13.520 --> 00:21:14.669 We do not know. 00:21:15.480 --> 00:21:18.631 We believe the son shall not bear the iniquity of the father. 00:21:18.760 --> 00:21:22.116 Even though that iniquity be proved and in this case it was not. 00:21:23.120 --> 00:21:26.271 But we believe too that this case illustrates the urgent need... 00:21:26.360 --> 00:21:30.114 ...for the Armed Forces to communicate more fully than they have so far done... 00:21:30.200 --> 00:21:32.555 ...the procedures and regulations to be followed... 00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:34.949 ...in attempting to protect the national security... 00:21:35.040 --> 00:21:37.679 ...and the rights of the individual at the same time. 00:21:38.720 --> 00:21:41.314 Whatever happens in this area of the relationship... 00:21:41.400 --> 00:21:43.436 ...between the individual and the state... 00:21:43.520 --> 00:21:45.033 ...we will do it ourselves... 00:21:45.560 --> 00:21:49.838 ...it cannot be blamed on Malenkov or Mao Tse-Tung or even our allies. 00:21:50.560 --> 00:21:53.757 And, it seems to us, Fred Friendly and myself... 00:21:54.240 --> 00:21:57.596 ...that this is a subject that should be argued about endlessly. 00:21:59.120 --> 00:22:00.917 Good night, and good luck. 00:22:07.520 --> 00:22:08.635 And we'reout. 00:23:40.600 --> 00:23:41.000 May I tell you something about yourself... 00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:42.638 May I tellyou something about yourself... 00:23:42.720 --> 00:23:45.029 ...as a member of the "Person to Person" audience? 00:23:45.120 --> 00:23:47.111 Based on audience research studies... 00:23:47.640 --> 00:23:51.076 ...you are well above average in education and intelligence. 00:23:51.640 --> 00:23:54.677 Your interests are wide, from world affairs and science... 00:23:54.840 --> 00:23:56.592 ...to sports and show business. 00:23:56.880 --> 00:23:59.997 And you have one characteristic that's rather encouraging to me... 00:24:00.080 --> 00:24:03.834 ...and that's the fact that you are not easily persuaded by advertising. 00:24:04.560 --> 00:24:07.279 The makers of Kent considered all these characteristics... 00:24:07.360 --> 00:24:09.430 ...when they chose Mr. Murrow'sprogram... 00:24:09.520 --> 00:24:10.999 ...to tell you about Kent. 00:24:11.240 --> 00:24:16.109 Of all leading filter cigarettes, Kent filter's best. 00:24:16.360 --> 00:24:19.352 If you try Kent with that in mind, I think you'll agree... 00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:22.512 ...with many other thinking people who havec hanged to Kent. 00:24:22.840 --> 00:24:27.550 They find that it makes good sense to smoke Kent and good smoking, too. 00:24:28.480 --> 00:24:31.631 - Did you get the changes? - Edward Murrow, "Person to Person"... 00:24:31.720 --> 00:24:35.395 ...on the CBS Television Network. - No, no. You there? Okay. We got it. 00:24:35.480 --> 00:24:36.993 Now back to Ed Murrow. 00:24:38.200 --> 00:24:40.998 Not since the silent movies and the idols they produced... 00:24:41.080 --> 00:24:44.675 ...has Hollywood witnessed the sort of pilgrimage that is now going on. 00:24:45.160 --> 00:24:48.675 Each day, oblivious to time, weather, and the state of the world... 00:24:48.840 --> 00:24:52.515 ...sightseers head in the direction of California's San Fernando Valley. 00:24:52.960 --> 00:24:56.077 For there, at the end of the tourist line, is Sherman Oaks... 00:24:56.160 --> 00:24:59.357 ...and the home Liberace has built for himself and his mother. 00:24:59.520 --> 00:25:03.229 This is the front and nobody knows how many people have seen that view. 00:25:03.840 --> 00:25:06.957 This is the back of the house and that's Liberace's bedroom. 00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:09.990 - Good evening, Lee. - Good evening, Ed. 00:25:10.080 --> 00:25:14.631 - What are you doing? - I'm dictating my weekly syndicated newspaper column... 00:25:15.080 --> 00:25:21.349 ...and on my trusty tape recorder here, I'm also dictating a book. 00:25:21.440 --> 00:25:23.715 - It's an inspirational book. - Lee, what about you? 00:25:23.800 --> 00:25:26.678 Have you given much thought to getting married and settling down? 00:25:26.760 --> 00:25:29.274 Actually, I've given a lot of thought to it... 00:25:29.360 --> 00:25:33.114 ...but I don't believe in getting married just for the sake of getting married. 00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:35.794 I want to someday find the perfect mate... 00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:40.073 ...and settle down to what I hope will be a marriage that will be blessed... 00:25:40.200 --> 00:25:42.714 ...by faith and will be a lasting union. 00:25:43.200 --> 00:25:47.751 I was reading about lovely young Princess Margaret... 00:25:48.280 --> 00:25:50.840 ...and she's lookng for her dream man, too... 00:25:51.400 --> 00:25:53.311 ...and I hope she finds him someday. 00:25:54.640 --> 00:25:58.235 Uh-huh. Lee, thanks very much for letting us come and visit you. 00:25:58.320 --> 00:25:59.435 It's been very pleasant. 00:25:59.520 --> 00:26:01.590 And will you say goodnight to your family for us? 00:26:01.680 --> 00:26:03.318 - I certainly will. - Thanks a lot. 00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:05.152 - Good night, Ed. - Good night, Lee. 00:26:06.560 --> 00:26:09.199 Next week, we'll take you to Beverly Hills, California... 00:26:09.280 --> 00:26:11.840 ...to the house of Mickey Rooney and his newbride. 00:26:11.920 --> 00:26:14.480 Until then, good night, and good luck. 00:26:20.440 --> 00:26:21.998 Good show, Mr. Murrow! 00:26:44.240 --> 00:26:45.434 Excuse me, Mr. Murrow. 00:26:45.520 --> 00:26:48.114 Could you take a look at this and sign it for me, please? 00:26:48.200 --> 00:26:51.192 Thank you. Dr. Stanton would like to have a drink with you. 00:26:51.280 --> 00:26:53.236 - When? - Now. He's at the Pentagon Bar. 00:26:53.320 --> 00:26:55.436 I can't. What the hell is he doing there? 00:26:55.520 --> 00:26:58.273 - I believe he's waiting for you. - Just call him! - Fine. 00:26:58.360 --> 00:27:00.920 - Oppenheimer next week. - It's a good show, Ed. 00:27:02.680 --> 00:27:03.954 - Hey, Don! - Ed! 00:27:04.960 --> 00:27:06.313 You're getting good at this! 00:27:06.840 --> 00:27:08.558 They're gonna think you like it! 00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:10.915 Pays the bills. How are you, Don? 00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:13.149 Ah, it's... 00:27:14.560 --> 00:27:15.709 ...day today. 00:27:16.440 --> 00:27:19.238 If she saw how good you look right now, she'd be back. 00:27:20.720 --> 00:27:23.029 You tell her that if you see her, will you? 00:27:24.480 --> 00:27:27.552 - I read the O'Brian piece. - Yeah, it's tough. 00:27:28.360 --> 00:27:30.828 I'm a pinko. I slant the news. 00:27:31.880 --> 00:27:34.599 I'm just waiting for him to say my wife left me too. 00:27:34.880 --> 00:27:37.678 - Nobody worth their salt reads him. - You read him. 00:27:38.200 --> 00:27:39.792 Well, see, I rest my case. 00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:45.513 - Does Paley read him? - Bill Paley's not gonna do anything. 00:27:48.560 --> 00:27:49.629 Thanks, Ed. 00:27:50.920 --> 00:27:54.071 I just came by to tell you how great the Lieutenant piece was. 00:27:54.160 --> 00:27:57.232 - Thanks. - How's the fallout? - Mostly good, surprisingly. 00:27:57.440 --> 00:28:00.113 Is this the start? Are you taking sides? 00:28:02.600 --> 00:28:05.512 It's just a little poke with a stick, see what happens. 00:28:05.760 --> 00:28:07.398 You let me know if I can help. 00:28:07.600 --> 00:28:08.999 But you're a pinko. 00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:12.834 I'll see you. 00:28:28.160 --> 00:28:30.720 Hey, Joe! What's all this Radulovich junk you're putting out? 00:28:30.800 --> 00:28:33.598 I can't talk to you now. I have to get this film back to New York. 00:28:33.680 --> 00:28:34.954 What would you say if I told you... 00:28:35.040 --> 00:28:37.508 ...that Murrow was on the Soviet payroll in 1935? 00:28:39.600 --> 00:28:42.558 - Uh! Charlie, you wanna... - Sure. I'll set up outside. 00:28:44.600 --> 00:28:46.158 McCarthy going tot he Eisenhower dinner? 00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:49.676 - I have no idea. Id on't keep the Senator's calendar for him! - Really? 00:28:53.640 --> 00:28:57.189 Have you ever seen any spy films? You don't hand me a classified folder! 00:28:57.280 --> 00:28:59.316 You're supposed to slip it into my briefcase! 00:28:59.400 --> 00:29:02.437 I didnt know who to give this information to, Paley or Murrow. 00:29:02.520 --> 00:29:05.956 As you can imagine, Fred and I aren't very friendly. No pun intended. 00:29:06.320 --> 00:29:07.753 No pun elocuted. 00:29:11.080 --> 00:29:12.991 - What do you got, Donald? - In short? 00:29:13.240 --> 00:29:15.879 Murrows been a Communist sympathizer since the 1930's. 00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:19.350 Member of the International Workers, sponsored educational trips to Moscow... 00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:21.874 ...and on the Sovietpayroll in 1935. It's all there. 00:29:21.960 --> 00:29:23.757 You wanna know why that's not possible? 00:29:23.840 --> 00:29:25.273 Why you'll lose this one? 00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:27.631 Because everyone in this country... 00:29:27.720 --> 00:29:30.712 ...knows that Ed Murrow is a loyal American, he's apatriot. 00:29:32.600 --> 00:29:35.239 Did you know the word "gullible" isn't in the dictionary? 00:29:35.320 --> 00:29:38.198 - Can I give this to him? - I'd love it! I have copies! 00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:42.639 I think you guys go too far. 00:29:43.000 --> 00:29:45.230 Well, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck. 00:29:51.800 --> 00:29:53.074 Yes, Mr. Paley. 00:29:54.040 --> 00:29:55.598 Right away. Yes, sir. 00:29:57.240 --> 00:29:58.639 No, he hasn't called. 00:29:59.880 --> 00:30:03.555 Yes, sir, the second he calls. If you're in a meeting, shall I? 00:30:04.840 --> 00:30:06.637 Yes, sir. Of course, sir. 00:30:09.280 --> 00:30:10.315 Mr. Murrow! 00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:12.832 Mr. Paley will see you now. 00:30:16.520 --> 00:30:20.115 - Mr. Paley, Mr. Murrow is here. - Thanks, Miss Mary. 00:30:20.680 --> 00:30:23.353 - Hello, Ed. - Bill... - Sit over here, will you? 00:30:24.160 --> 00:30:25.195 How's Janet? 00:30:25.600 --> 00:30:27.909 - Your son? - All well, thanks. How's Babe? 00:30:28.040 --> 00:30:31.077 She's fine. Her fundraiser got rained on, so... 00:30:31.480 --> 00:30:34.233 - Oh! That's why I never plan on anything. - Really? 00:30:35.720 --> 00:30:36.914 You'd never know. 00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:41.868 Reading fiction? 00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:44.277 I hope so. You tell me. 00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:47.392 Now we know how they're gonna come at us. 00:30:47.480 --> 00:30:50.278 That's just the first shot. Somebody's going to go down. 00:30:50.360 --> 00:30:52.874 Have you checked your facts? Are you on safe ground? 00:30:55.080 --> 00:30:57.833 - Bill, it's time. Show our cards. - My cards. 00:30:58.640 --> 00:31:02.394 You lose, what happens? 5 guys find themselves out of work. 00:31:02.800 --> 00:31:06.839 I'm responsible for a lot more than 5 goddamn reporters. Let it go. 00:31:08.520 --> 00:31:10.590 McCarthy will self-destruct, Cohn, all of them. 00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:13.035 You said Corporate would not interfere with Editorial... 00:31:13.120 --> 00:31:14.553 ...and that the News was to be left... 00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:16.358 We don't make the news, we report the news. 00:31:16.440 --> 00:31:19.079 He's marked as Communists. 00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:21.116 If he goes too far, the Senate will investigate him... 00:31:21.200 --> 00:31:22.155 ...and we will report on that. 00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:25.391 He oversteps people's civil liberties. 00:31:25.480 --> 00:31:26.549 And you're trying him in the press? 00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:28.551 Does he get the right to face his accuser? 00:31:28.640 --> 00:31:31.029 You've decided on this and you're presenting it as fact. 00:31:31.120 --> 00:31:33.350 - What I am doing... - I write your check. 00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:37.149 I put you in your country house, and I put your son through school! 00:31:37.520 --> 00:31:40.990 You should have told me about this before it went so far down the road! 00:31:52.040 --> 00:31:55.749 Everyone of your boys needs to be clean. Do you understand? No ties. 00:31:55.960 --> 00:32:00.351 If Aaron's mother went to a group fundraiser in 1932, he's out. 00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:04.109 Hewitt, too. Anyone in that room. You make no mistake... 00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:07.710 ...I will cut them loose. Corporate won't interfere with Editorial. 00:32:07.800 --> 00:32:11.076 But Editorial will not jeopardize the hundreds of employees... 00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:14.357 ...of the CBS. Do I make myself clear? 00:32:15.600 --> 00:32:16.828 Yes? 00:32:22.080 --> 00:32:25.311 Fellas, our next show is gonna be about Senator McCarthy. 00:32:26.360 --> 00:32:28.078 And we'regonna go right at him. 00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:31.353 I don't need to tell you how careful we have to be. 00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:34.477 If we are to do this, Ed and I need you to be straight with us. 00:32:34.560 --> 00:32:36.676 We need to know, for the good of the piece... 00:32:36.760 --> 00:32:40.435 ...if any of you have any connection, if you subscribed to a newsletter... 00:32:40.520 --> 00:32:42.317 ...if you attended a party, anything... 00:32:42.400 --> 00:32:45.437 ...anything that could compromise this, anything at all... 00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:48.110 ...because now would be the time to tell us. 00:32:53.360 --> 00:32:55.271 Ed, I think I should excuse myself. 00:32:56.200 --> 00:32:57.599 Palmer, you kidding? 00:32:58.520 --> 00:33:00.954 My ex was a... I wouldn't say she was a Communist... 00:33:01.040 --> 00:33:03.998 ...but she attended meetings. It was before we were married. 00:33:04.080 --> 00:33:06.913 I didn't even really know about it until after the divorce. 00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:10.318 But it was different then. We were all on the same side. 00:33:11.760 --> 00:33:14.593 I'm not telling you anything you don't know. The thing is... 00:33:14.680 --> 00:33:16.079 ...somebody'll find out. 00:33:17.720 --> 00:33:19.153 They'll hurt us with it. 00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:22.995 I should have told you sooner, Ed, I'm sorry. 00:33:24.080 --> 00:33:25.149 Fred. 00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:30.800 If none of us had ever read a "dangerous" book... 00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:33.070 ...or had a friend who was "different"... 00:33:33.160 --> 00:33:35.720 ...or never joined an organization that advocated "change"... 00:33:35.800 --> 00:33:38.519 ...we'd all be the kindof people Joe McCarthy wants. 00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:43.870 We're gonna go with the story, because the terror is in this room. 00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:49.915 John! Jesse! Go through the HUAC hearings. 00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:53.754 Eddie! Palmer! Look at who did the interviews and any speeches. 00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:56.278 Okay, fellas, here we go. 00:33:56.840 --> 00:33:58.751 His own words, that's what we need. 00:33:58.840 --> 00:34:01.274 ...said that he wouldn't remove a General from the Army... 00:34:01.360 --> 00:34:04.238 ...who supported a Communist Major. I said, "Then, General..." 00:34:04.320 --> 00:34:06.550 "...you should be removed from any command." 00:34:07.040 --> 00:34:10.669 "Any man who says, "I will protect and honor a General'..." 00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:15.072 "...'who protects Communists', is not fit to wear that uniform, General." 00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:16.918 Ethically, we're fine. 00:34:17.080 --> 00:34:20.675 But legally, if we air this, are we leaking closed hearing testimony? 00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:23.069 - But he chose to read it. - We're not misquoting him. 00:34:23.160 --> 00:34:26.436 - There are other reporters. - If it's a legal issue, it's his. 00:34:26.520 --> 00:34:27.839 I'll check with Campbell in Legal. 00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:29.876 And wait till you hear the bleeding hearts... 00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:32.356 ...scream and cry about our methods... 00:34:33.520 --> 00:34:35.476 ...of trying to drag the truth... 00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:39.070 ...from those who know or should know... 00:34:39.880 --> 00:34:42.713 ...who covered up a Fifth Amendment Communist Major. 00:34:43.560 --> 00:34:44.879 But they say, "Oh..." 00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:49.674 "...it's all right to uncover them, but don't get rough doing it, McCarthy." 00:34:51.680 --> 00:34:56.037 Did a Civil Liberties Union provide you with an attorney at that time? 00:34:56.840 --> 00:34:58.558 I had many offers of attorneys... 00:34:58.640 --> 00:35:02.394 ...and from the American Civil Liberties Union, too. - The question is: 00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:05.313 ...did the Civil Liberties Union supply you with an attorney? 00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:07.868 - They did supply an attorney. - The answer is yes? 00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:08.955 The answer is yes. 00:35:09.040 --> 00:35:11.429 You know the Civil Liberties Union has been listed... 00:35:11.520 --> 00:35:14.592 ...as a front for and doing the work of the Communist Party? 00:35:15.080 --> 00:35:16.957 Mr. Chairman, this was 1932! 00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:19.594 I know this was in 1932. 00:35:19.680 --> 00:35:21.750 Do you know that they since have been listed... 00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:24.274 ...as a front for and doing the work of the Communist Party? 00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:26.510 I do not know that they have been listedso, sir. 00:35:26.600 --> 00:35:28.875 - You don't know? - I have heard that mentioned... 00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:30.154 All right, Leo. Turn it off. 00:35:30.240 --> 00:35:33.869 - I need those three cans of Stevens! - Has anybody read this book yet? 00:35:33.960 --> 00:35:36.190 It would be nice if this guy isn't a Commie. 00:35:36.280 --> 00:35:38.589 - Did Millie give it to you? - I wanna read the book. 00:35:38.680 --> 00:35:40.193 - Nobody else, Joe. - I hear you, boss. 00:35:40.280 --> 00:35:42.510 I'll put it on a kinescope, push through the end. 00:35:42.600 --> 00:35:43.749 Palmer, cut it at 2:30. 00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:46.115 I prefer it one on each end, let it run through. 00:35:46.200 --> 00:35:47.952 It'd be more powerful. Cut Kennedy? 00:35:48.040 --> 00:35:50.759 Joe, file it for me. I'll see the Mundt piece later. 00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:52.319 Are we gonna make it, Fred? 00:35:52.640 --> 00:35:54.710 We lost the telecine, but we'll make it. 00:35:58.000 --> 00:35:59.831 Did you finish your closing piece? 00:36:00.560 --> 00:36:01.709 It's Shakespeare. 00:36:03.520 --> 00:36:04.794 Write your closing. 00:36:32.200 --> 00:36:35.317 My argument was if you just show the images of McCarthy... 00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:36.879 ...it doesn't make any difference. 00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:39.155 If you agree with him, you're gonna hate the piece. 00:36:39.240 --> 00:36:40.229 If you don't, you'll love it. 00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:42.231 Maybe they should wait till they get more footage. 00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:43.753 I don't think wec an take that chance. 00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:46.354 We've got to hit McCarthy before he comes after Ed. 00:36:48.040 --> 00:36:51.271 The blue one. They haven't gone after the AIsops or Herb Block. 00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:54.153 Honey, the AIsops and Herb Block... 00:36:54.800 --> 00:36:58.315 ...didn't work for the Institute of International Education in 1934. 00:36:59.080 --> 00:37:00.399 Then I guess it's time. 00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:08.355 You worried? 00:37:11.040 --> 00:37:12.359 I didn't think I was. 00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:15.514 I don't know why. I was in the office on Friday. 00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:18.752 And I answered the phone, it was Howard calling from London. 00:37:18.840 --> 00:37:21.195 And he asked what was going on with McCarthy. 00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:26.394 And before I answered him, I turned and looked over my shoulder... 00:37:26.720 --> 00:37:29.473 ...tosee who was listening. - And who was listening? 00:37:31.240 --> 00:37:32.389 Chairman Mao... 00:37:38.440 --> 00:37:39.839 I'll see you at the office. 00:37:40.760 --> 00:37:42.318 - Hey, your ring! - Uh! 00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:46.879 Name me another wife... 00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:49.959 ...who reminds her husband to take off his wedding ring... 00:37:50.040 --> 00:37:53.112 ...before he goes to the office. - Ava Gardner. 00:38:00.160 --> 00:38:03.755 Excuse me, Mr. Friendly. Mr. Murrow, Mr. Paley's on the line for you. 00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:09.230 - Maybe he wants to reimburse us for those ads. - You'd like that! 00:38:09.560 --> 00:38:11.357 - I would like that! - This is Ed. 00:38:11.640 --> 00:38:14.916 There's a Knickerbocker game tonight. I've got front row seats. 00:38:15.120 --> 00:38:16.348 Are you interested? 00:38:17.160 --> 00:38:19.993 I'm busy bringing down the network tonight, Bill. 00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:21.235 Is that tonight? 00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:24.108 We're covered, Bill. 00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:26.035 All right. 00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:32.396 - I'm with you today, Ed, and I'm with you tomorrow. - Thanks, Bill. 00:38:47.520 --> 00:38:49.715 Do you know the timing on the first piece? 00:38:51.200 --> 00:38:53.031 Can we hold all the calls, please? 00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:55.396 Hold the calls till after the show. Thank you. 00:38:55.800 --> 00:38:57.836 - You fellas, awake down there? - Okay. 00:38:58.160 --> 00:39:00.833 - Just... what are we? 20? - 30 seconds, Ed. 00:39:16.080 --> 00:39:17.308 10 seconds. 00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:25.831 5, 4,3, 2. 00:39:27.160 --> 00:39:28.559 And pan, camera one. 00:39:31.680 --> 00:39:35.389 Because a report on Senator McCarthy is by definition controversial... 00:39:35.800 --> 00:39:38.030 ...we want to say exactly what we mean to say... 00:39:38.120 --> 00:39:40.759 ...and request your permission to read from a script... 00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:43.274 ...what ever remarks Murrow and Friendly may make. 00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:47.429 If the Senator feels that we have done violence to his words or pictures... 00:39:47.520 --> 00:39:49.670 ...and desires to answer himself... 00:39:49.840 --> 00:39:52.593 ...an opportunity will be afforded him on this program. 00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:55.468 Our working thesis tonight is this quotation: 00:39:56.160 --> 00:39:57.752 ..."If this fight against Communism..." 00:39:57.840 --> 00:40:01.037 "...has made a fight between America's two great political parties..." 00:40:01.120 --> 00:40:04.476 "...the American people know that one of these parties will be destroyed..." 00:40:04.560 --> 00:40:07.870 "...and the Republic cannot endure very long as a one-party system." 00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:09.833 We applaud that statement... 00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:12.070 ...and we think Senator McCarthy ought to. 00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:14.510 He said it 17 months ago in Milwaukee. 00:40:15.520 --> 00:40:18.751 The American people realize that this cannot be made a fight... 00:40:18.880 --> 00:40:21.394 ...between America's two great political parties. 00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:23.038 If this fight against Communism... 00:40:23.120 --> 00:40:26.192 ...is made a fight against America's two great political parties... 00:40:26.280 --> 00:40:29.750 ...the American people know that one of those parties will be destroyed... 00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:33.116 ...and the Republic can't endure very long as a one-party system. 00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:36.434 On one thing the Senator has been consistent. 00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:40.157 Often operating as a one-man committee, he has traveled far... 00:40:40.240 --> 00:40:42.356 ...interviewed many, terrorized some... 00:40:42.840 --> 00:40:44.796 ...accused civilian and military leaders... 00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:47.235 ...of the past administration of a great conspiracy... 00:40:47.320 --> 00:40:49.231 ...to turn over the country to Communism. 00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:53.552 I was extremely shocked when I heard that Secretary Stevens... 00:40:54.040 --> 00:40:58.192 ...told 2 Army officers that they had to take part in the cover up... 00:40:58.680 --> 00:41:01.148 ...of those who promoted and coddled Communists. 00:41:01.360 --> 00:41:04.158 As I read his statement, I... 00:41:05.080 --> 00:41:07.958 ...thought of that quotation, "On what meat..." 00:41:08.680 --> 00:41:10.750 "...does this our Caesar feed?". 00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:11.835 The questions is: 00:41:11.920 --> 00:41:14.832 ...did the Civil Liberties Union supply you with an attorney? 00:41:14.920 --> 00:41:17.388 - They did supply an attorney. - The answer is yes? 00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:18.435 The answer is yes. 00:41:18.520 --> 00:41:21.159 Do you think this book did considerable harm? 00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:22.713 Its publication... 00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:26.354 ...by an expression of the views contained in it? 00:41:26.640 --> 00:41:29.837 The sale of that book was so abysmally small... 00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:34.518 ...it was so unsuccessful, that the question of its influence... 00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:36.672 You can go back to the publisher... 00:41:36.760 --> 00:41:40.275 ...you'll see it was one of the most unsuccessful books he ever put out. 00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:42.430 He's still sorry about it, just as I am. 00:41:42.720 --> 00:41:45.792 Well, I think that's a compliment to American intelligence. 00:41:46.640 --> 00:41:47.709 I'll say that. 00:41:48.360 --> 00:41:51.909 The Reed Harris hearing demonstrates one of the Senator's techniques. 00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:53.194 Twice he said... 00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:57.149 ...'The American Civil Liberties Union was listed as a subversive front." 00:41:57.240 --> 00:42:00.118 The Attorney General's list does not and never has listed... 00:42:00.200 --> 00:42:02.919 ...the ACLU as subversive, nor does the FBI... 00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:05.150 ...or any other federal government agency. 00:42:05.480 --> 00:42:08.472 And the American Civil Liberties Union holds in its files... 00:42:08.560 --> 00:42:11.074 ...letters of commendation from President Truman... 00:42:11.160 --> 00:42:13.674 ...President Eisenhower, and General MacArthur. 00:42:14.680 --> 00:42:18.958 Earlier, the Senator asked, "Upon what meat does this our Caesar feed?". 00:42:19.240 --> 00:42:21.834 Had he looked three lines earlier in Shakespeare's "Caesar"... 00:42:21.920 --> 00:42:25.356 ...he would have found this line, which is not altogether inappropriate. 00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:29.558 "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves." 00:42:30.240 --> 00:42:32.390 No one familiar with the history of this country... 00:42:32.480 --> 00:42:35.074 ...can deny that Congressional committees are useful. 00:42:35.160 --> 00:42:37.913 It is necessary to investigate before legislating... 00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:41.436 ...but the line between investigating and persecuting is a very fine one... 00:42:41.520 --> 00:42:45.229 ...and the junior Senator from Wisconsin has stepped over it repeatedly. 00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:47.868 We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. 00:42:48.440 --> 00:42:51.398 We must remember always that accusation is not proof... 00:42:51.680 --> 00:42:55.275 ...and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. 00:42:56.200 --> 00:42:58.395 We will not walk in fear, one of another. 00:42:58.480 --> 00:43:01.233 We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason... 00:43:01.320 --> 00:43:03.880 ...if we dig deep in our history and doctrine... 00:43:04.080 --> 00:43:07.231 ...and remember that we are not descended from fearful men... 00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:10.790 ...not from men who feared to write, to associate, to speak... 00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:14.156 ...and to defend the causes that were for the moment unpopular. 00:43:14.720 --> 00:43:17.951 This is no time for men who oppose Senator McCarthy's methods... 00:43:18.040 --> 00:43:20.508 ...to keep silent, or for those who approve. 00:43:21.200 --> 00:43:23.634 Wec an deny our heritage and our history... 00:43:23.720 --> 00:43:26.393 ...but we cannot escape responsibility for the results. 00:43:26.960 --> 00:43:29.155 We proclaim ourselves, indeed as we are... 00:43:29.240 --> 00:43:33.028 ...the defenders of freedom wherever it continues to exist in the world... 00:43:33.120 --> 00:43:36.476 ...but we cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home. 00:43:37.080 --> 00:43:39.310 The actions of the junior Senator from Wisconsin... 00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:42.278 ...have caused alarm and dismay amongst our allies abroad... 00:43:42.360 --> 00:43:44.794 ...and given considerable comfort to our enemies. 00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:48.198 And whose fault is that? Not really his. 00:43:48.640 --> 00:43:50.870 He didn't create this situation of fear... 00:43:51.120 --> 00:43:53.998 ...he merely exploited it, and rather successfully. 00:43:55.480 --> 00:43:56.754 Cassius was right. 00:43:57.280 --> 00:44:01.478 "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves." 00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:04.431 Good night, and good luck. 00:44:11.840 --> 00:44:12.909 And we're out. 00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:26.989 Nothing? 00:44:30.080 --> 00:44:31.513 Maybe nobody watched. 00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:38.675 - We got nothing. - I don't know. - Nothing. 00:44:39.160 --> 00:44:41.628 Should I turn the phones back on, Mr. Williams? 00:44:43.080 --> 00:44:45.355 Yes. Now would be a good time for that. 00:44:46.080 --> 00:44:48.150 Turn the phones on! Turn the pho... 00:44:48.880 --> 00:44:50.438 Mr. Friendly wants the phones on. 00:44:50.520 --> 00:44:52.192 It's the Junior Senator calling collect. 00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:55.397 Don't kid yourself. It's Reed Harris thanking us for mentioning him. 00:44:55.480 --> 00:44:58.358 I don't know whether all of you have seen what I just saw... 00:44:58.440 --> 00:45:01.034 ...but I want to associate myself and this program... 00:45:01.120 --> 00:45:02.678 ...with what Ed Murrow has just said... 00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:05.399 ...and say I have never been prouder of CBS. 00:45:08.160 --> 00:45:12.073 Senator McCarthy said today that he would demand equal free television... 00:45:16.680 --> 00:45:20.434 Stevenson had charged that the Senator made demagoguery and deceit... 00:45:20.680 --> 00:45:22.398 ...the national policy... 00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:27.030 - Is that Hollenbeck? - Congratulations! 00:45:27.120 --> 00:45:28.109 Great show! 00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:30.148 Feel like a Scotch? 00:45:30.720 --> 00:45:32.711 I think everybody could use a Scotch. 00:46:22.280 --> 00:46:25.352 - It's 3:30, early editions are out. - I'm not worried about that. 00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:27.032 Of course not. Shirley, honey... 00:46:27.120 --> 00:46:29.953 ...would you go across the street and get the early editions? 00:46:30.040 --> 00:46:31.917 - All of them? - Just get O'Brian! 00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:36.271 - Hey, watch my drink! - Yeah. 00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:09.072 Okay. Here we go. 00:47:09.640 --> 00:47:12.438 - At last! - The Times. - The Times... 00:47:12.560 --> 00:47:13.549 - First? - Good. 00:47:14.200 --> 00:47:15.952 - Who wrote it? - Jack Gould. 00:47:16.480 --> 00:47:17.754 Gould... 00:47:18.240 --> 00:47:21.596 Edward R. Murrows television program on Senator Joseph R. McCarthy... 00:47:21.680 --> 00:47:25.355 ...was an exciting and provocative examination of the man and his methods. 00:47:25.440 --> 00:47:28.830 It was crusading journalism of high responsibility and courage. 00:47:28.920 --> 00:47:31.559 For TV so often plagued by timidity and hesitation... 00:47:31.640 --> 00:47:35.269 ...the program was a milestone that reflected enlightened citizenship. 00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:36.594 The program... Hold on! 00:47:36.680 --> 00:47:39.353 The program was no less an indictment of those who wish... 00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:42.398 ...the problems posed by the Senator's tactics and theatrics... 00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:44.391 ...would just go away and leave them alone. 00:47:44.480 --> 00:47:47.313 That was Mr. Murrows and television's triumph... 00:47:47.400 --> 00:47:48.879 ...and a very great one. 00:47:52.120 --> 00:47:53.189 Here! Here! 00:47:53.360 --> 00:47:55.396 - He hated it. - Yeah. What's his beef? 00:47:56.000 --> 00:47:57.797 Send the New YorkTimes abottle of Scotch. 00:47:57.880 --> 00:47:59.836 I already did. How do you think we got that review? 00:47:59.920 --> 00:48:01.797 - How's the Post? - Pretty good! 00:48:02.480 --> 00:48:04.391 - What about O'Brian? - Uh, the same. 00:48:05.840 --> 00:48:08.752 - Goon, read O'Brian! - I don't have it. 00:48:08.840 --> 00:48:10.239 - Got it. - Oh. Here. 00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:14.197 - There we go. - Shirley, that... 00:48:17.680 --> 00:48:21.116 We can't say we were surprised at Murrows "Hate McCarthy" telecast... 00:48:21.200 --> 00:48:24.033 ...last evening, when his explosively one-sided propaganda... 00:48:24.120 --> 00:48:27.317 ...edited with deviously clever selectivity from McCarthy's march... 00:48:27.400 --> 00:48:29.709 ...against Communism, was finished last evening... 00:48:29.800 --> 00:48:33.076 ...by equally Machiavellian coincidence the following telecast... 00:48:33.160 --> 00:48:36.038 ...featured Murrow's PM protege, Hollenbeck. 00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:39.035 In an obviously gloating mood, Hollenbeck... 00:48:39.120 --> 00:48:42.430 ...hoped viewers had witnessed his patron's triumph... 00:48:42.520 --> 00:48:43.794 ...from and for the Left. 00:48:44.920 --> 00:48:46.069 Soon. Soon... 00:48:46.160 --> 00:48:48.196 Shirley, it's okay. Go ahead, finish it. 00:48:48.280 --> 00:48:51.317 - No, that's it. That's it. - Shirley, please, finish it. 00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:58.831 The CBS has been in a lengthy "clean house of Lefties" mood. 00:48:58.920 --> 00:49:00.558 The worst offenders on lesser levels... 00:49:00.640 --> 00:49:02.756 ...have been quietly pushed out of the company. 00:49:02.840 --> 00:49:06.628 Don Hollenbeck, a graduate of the demised pinko publication PM... 00:49:06.720 --> 00:49:10.349 ...attacked conservative papers with sly and slanted propaganda. 00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:12.670 He then proceeded through an equally... 00:49:14.440 --> 00:49:16.158 ...tilted review of the day's events... 00:49:16.240 --> 00:49:19.471 ...with McCarthy dominating his words, actions, attitudes. 00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:21.355 Soon. 00:49:24.040 --> 00:49:26.838 - It's O'Brian. - He didn't get the Scotch, that's all. 00:49:27.280 --> 00:49:30.192 - Is it grammatically correct? - I'll have that cigarette, Ed. 00:49:31.680 --> 00:49:34.592 - Thanks, Shirley. - Oh. - Mmh. - Thank you. 00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:36.955 Joe... Shirley... 00:49:41.680 --> 00:49:42.908 It doesn't matter. 00:49:47.960 --> 00:49:49.029 To Jack Gould! 00:49:50.120 --> 00:49:52.873 - To Jack! To Jack! To Jack Gould! - To Jack Gould! 00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:53.915 I love Jack Gould! 00:49:55.800 --> 00:49:57.279 May he rest in peace. 00:49:59.400 --> 00:50:02.119 - Hello, Jimmy. - Fred, congratulations! - Thank you. 00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:05.155 I got such a hangover to go along with the ulcer. 00:50:05.240 --> 00:50:07.037 All the adguys on the 3rd floor watched the show. 00:50:07.120 --> 00:50:09.031 Got a good review in the New York Times. Jack Gould. 00:50:09.120 --> 00:50:10.439 We're putting out a press release... 00:50:10.520 --> 00:50:13.273 ...saying that calls came in 15 to 1 in favor of the show. - Really? 00:50:13.360 --> 00:50:15.635 - Yeah. - 15 to 1? - We got calls from everywhere. 00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:19.117 - East Coast or West Coast? - Yeah. Kansas City, Cincinnati... 00:50:20.080 --> 00:50:21.149 Mr. Paley... 00:50:22.200 --> 00:50:24.270 - Morning, Fred. - Morning, Mr. Paley. 00:50:29.120 --> 00:50:30.155 How's your wife? 00:50:30.600 --> 00:50:32.670 She's fine. We're getting ready to move. 00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:35.718 - Really? Where to? - Riverdale. We found a nice house there. 00:50:35.800 --> 00:50:36.755 It's nice there. 00:50:37.560 --> 00:50:38.595 Yes, sir. 00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:46.315 Excuse me. 00:50:46.520 --> 00:50:50.195 Fred! McCarthy wants William Buckey to do his rebuttal. 00:50:51.400 --> 00:50:52.435 I said no. 00:50:54.160 --> 00:50:55.149 Yes, sir. 00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:02.235 Hey, Johnny! 00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:04.630 - Radulovich has been reinstated. - What?! 00:51:04.720 --> 00:51:07.359 Radulovich... Guys! Radulovich has been reinstated. 00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:09.237 - Jesse! Jesse! - Where is Ed? 00:51:09.320 --> 00:51:11.754 - He's in the bullpen. Why? What's going on? - Jess! 00:51:11.840 --> 00:51:13.273 Got some very good news. 00:51:13.880 --> 00:51:16.838 Special announcement from the Secretary of the Air Force! 00:51:16.920 --> 00:51:18.876 Fellas! Listen up! Everyone! 00:51:19.680 --> 00:51:21.750 I have decided that it is consistent... 00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:24.479 ...with the interests of the National Security to retain... 00:51:24.560 --> 00:51:27.711 ...Lieutenant Radulovich in the United States Air Force. Stop. 00:51:27.880 --> 00:51:31.077 He is not, in my opinion, a security risk. Fullstop. 00:51:33.600 --> 00:51:37.070 There you go. Harold E. Talbott, Secretary from the Air Force. 00:51:37.720 --> 00:51:38.675 Great job! 00:51:38.760 --> 00:51:40.591 - Make a copy of that for me! - I will do, Fred! 00:51:40.680 --> 00:51:42.557 Back to work, guys! We got a lot of work to do. 00:51:42.640 --> 00:51:43.834 This means something. 00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:45.433 - Good news, huh? - Congratulations! 00:51:45.520 --> 00:51:49.399 - This absolutely means something. - Absolutely. This is the start of... 00:51:56.120 --> 00:51:57.075 Palmer! 00:52:00.040 --> 00:52:01.996 The CBS lawyers wanna talk to you. 00:52:05.440 --> 00:52:06.429 When? 00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:08.069 Tomorrow. 00:52:08.960 --> 00:52:12.191 I don't want you to get paranoid, they're talking to everybody. 00:52:12.280 --> 00:52:13.269 Any ideas? 00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:16.358 Just tell them what you know. 00:52:16.440 --> 00:52:19.034 - Now is that testimony true? - No, sir, it is not. 00:52:19.120 --> 00:52:22.192 Not at any time have I been a member of the Communist Party... 00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:24.510 ...and I have never seen a Communist card. 00:52:24.600 --> 00:52:26.830 - You've never seen a Communist card? - That's right. 00:52:26.920 --> 00:52:28.797 Have you ever attended any Communist meetings? 00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:30.438 No, sir, never. 00:52:30.520 --> 00:52:32.670 Have you ever subscribed to The Daily Worker? 00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:36.389 No, sir. I didn't subscribe to it and I wouldn't pay for it. 00:52:37.160 --> 00:52:42.154 Uh... Now, Mrs. Markward, who was working for the FBI... 00:52:42.840 --> 00:52:46.037 ...who joined the Communist Party under orders from the FBI... 00:52:46.160 --> 00:52:49.197 ...has testified that while she never met you personally... 00:52:49.400 --> 00:52:52.472 ...at a Communist meeting that your name was on the list... 00:52:52.560 --> 00:52:54.630 ...of Communists who were paying dues. 00:52:55.120 --> 00:52:57.759 Uh... Can you shed any light upon that? 00:52:58.600 --> 00:53:01.353 No, sir. I don't even know what the dues are... 00:53:01.520 --> 00:53:04.876 ...or where they were paid. - So you have never paid any money... 00:53:05.880 --> 00:53:07.632 ...to the Communist Party. 00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:09.998 - Is that correct? - That's right. 00:53:10.160 --> 00:53:12.196 You've never paid any dues, payment... 00:53:12.280 --> 00:53:13.872 Thank you very much, Leo! 00:53:14.760 --> 00:53:16.512 Good work, Joe, Charlie. 00:53:17.120 --> 00:53:18.394 Now what is the show? 00:53:18.480 --> 00:53:21.119 Is it defending Annie Lee Moss as not being a Communist? 00:53:21.200 --> 00:53:23.668 - Or is ither Constitutional rights? - Both. - The latter. 00:53:23.760 --> 00:53:26.115 We're much better sticking out the Constitutional issues. 00:53:26.200 --> 00:53:27.838 - Agreed? - The woman is not a Communist spy. 00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:30.434 Joe McCarthy said that they have a spy in the Pentagon... 00:53:30.520 --> 00:53:32.158 ...that spy has gotten into the code room... 00:53:32.240 --> 00:53:33.912 ...and that that spy is Annie Lee Moss. 00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:36.389 I've got New York Times reports. McCarthy asserts he has... 00:53:36.480 --> 00:53:39.199 ...a new red link to Army. Quote, "Senator McCarthy charged today..." 00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:41.714 "...that the Army now employs a woman in its code room..." 00:53:41.800 --> 00:53:44.268 "...who was, and still may be, an active Communist." 00:53:44.360 --> 00:53:45.793 It's the front page of the New York Times. 00:53:45.880 --> 00:53:49.395 No sooner is he done chastising the other committee members for wanting... 00:53:49.480 --> 00:53:52.313 ...to push into the afternoon, than what? Seven questions in... 00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:53.958 ...he ducks out, leaves... - Right. 00:53:54.040 --> 00:53:56.918 - Heleaves. - It's all over the headlines, all over the country. 00:53:57.000 --> 00:53:58.513 Get me copies from any newspaper... 00:53:58.600 --> 00:54:00.158 ...that printed anything about that assertion. 00:54:00.240 --> 00:54:03.437 That's a good idea. You should get the Cincinnati Inquirer. 00:54:03.520 --> 00:54:06.432 - Chicago. - Couple other pieces I think we should include. 00:54:06.520 --> 00:54:09.512 The fact that there's 3 Annie Lee Moss's in the phone book. 00:54:09.600 --> 00:54:12.512 There are 2 Robert Halls, one's colored, one's white. 00:54:12.600 --> 00:54:14.431 We have some footage of the empty chair. 00:54:14.520 --> 00:54:17.557 I think that says it all. Just that picture of McCarthy not... 00:54:17.640 --> 00:54:20.359 McCarthy leaving the hearing after 7 questions... 00:54:20.440 --> 00:54:22.510 ...and then we'll cut to the shot of thechair. 00:54:22.600 --> 00:54:25.160 - We gotta do something about it. - All right, so... 00:54:25.240 --> 00:54:28.949 Excuse me. Mr. Murrow! McCarthy wants April 6th. 00:54:32.600 --> 00:54:33.828 Thank you, Natalie. 00:54:38.280 --> 00:54:41.397 Fine. If Charlie shoots it, we get to see it first. We should offer. 00:54:41.480 --> 00:54:43.948 - It's a long shot. - What the hell could McCarthy do? 00:54:44.040 --> 00:54:46.429 Is he gonna debate himself? We just used his words! 00:54:49.640 --> 00:54:51.756 Johnny! Johnny! We know what it's going to be. 00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:54.718 He's going to come after me. There's nothing more he can do. 00:54:54.800 --> 00:54:57.189 He's gonna bet that a Senator trumps a newsman. 00:54:58.080 --> 00:54:59.069 He'll lose. 00:54:59.480 --> 00:55:01.038 Not if we're playing bridge. 00:55:02.680 --> 00:55:05.433 - I'm sorry, guys. I didn't mean to interrupt. - Hey, Don. 00:55:05.520 --> 00:55:07.590 - It's getting fun now! - Ed, you have aminute? 00:55:08.040 --> 00:55:11.510 - Yes, I'll be right there. - All right, boys. Playtime's over. 00:55:11.880 --> 00:55:13.199 We have 4 days... 00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:15.829 ...to do a 29 minute show. - Yeah. - All right. 00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:17.319 All right, go ahead. Hi, Mary. 00:55:17.400 --> 00:55:19.038 Hello, Mr. Hollenbeck. Mr. Murrow... 00:55:19.120 --> 00:55:20.872 - Could you give us a moment? - Sure. 00:55:22.680 --> 00:55:23.715 Thank you, dear. 00:55:25.400 --> 00:55:27.994 I have to ask you something, Ed. It's about O'Brian. 00:55:28.080 --> 00:55:29.911 - O'Brian doesn'tmatter. - He's killing me, Ed. 00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:31.718 He doesn't amount to that much in the newsroom. 00:55:31.800 --> 00:55:33.153 We've got to let that guy have it. 00:55:33.240 --> 00:55:36.391 We're not going after O'Brian. I will not take on McCarthy and Hearst. 00:55:36.480 --> 00:55:37.708 I can't defeat them both. 00:55:38.760 --> 00:55:41.911 Just don't read the papers. Or don't read O'Brian, anyway. 00:55:46.920 --> 00:55:49.115 Okay. I guess not. 00:55:50.360 --> 00:55:51.395 Sorry, Don. 00:56:04.920 --> 00:56:06.717 Although Mrs. Moss offered to testify... 00:56:06.800 --> 00:56:09.792 ...Senator McCarthy suggested that she was too sick. 00:56:09.880 --> 00:56:13.429 - She agreed... - Mr. Cohn wanted to know about Mrs. Moss's connection... 00:56:13.520 --> 00:56:17.035 ...to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth... 00:56:17.120 --> 00:56:18.235 ...so help you God? 00:56:21.880 --> 00:56:24.440 May we get your full name for the record, please? 00:56:24.800 --> 00:56:26.074 Annie Lee Moss. 00:56:27.160 --> 00:56:28.752 - M-O-S-S? - That's right. 00:56:29.080 --> 00:56:32.197 Mrs. Moss, let me say for the record, for your information... 00:56:32.280 --> 00:56:34.396 ...for the information of your counsel... 00:56:34.880 --> 00:56:36.757 ...that you are not here because... 00:56:38.040 --> 00:56:42.875 ...you are considered important in the Communist apparatus. 00:56:43.000 --> 00:56:46.356 We have the testimony that you are, and have been, a Communist. 00:56:47.520 --> 00:56:50.751 We are rather curious, however, to kno whow you suddenly... 00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:53.353 ...were shifted from... 00:56:55.200 --> 00:56:58.112 ...a worker in a cafeteria to the code room. 00:56:58.400 --> 00:57:01.551 I am today much more interested... 00:57:02.280 --> 00:57:05.829 ...in the handling of your case... 00:57:06.560 --> 00:57:09.632 ...by your superiors than in your own personal activities. 00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:13.993 However, counsel will question you about your own activities also. 00:57:14.320 --> 00:57:17.278 - Mr. Chairman! - We will not hear from counsel. 00:57:17.840 --> 00:57:19.751 You have been told what the rule is. 00:57:20.040 --> 00:57:22.952 If you have anything to say, say it through your client. 00:57:26.480 --> 00:57:30.075 Chairman. Did you begin work at the General Accounting Office in... 00:57:30.920 --> 00:57:33.036 ...1945? - Yes, sir. 00:57:33.880 --> 00:57:37.953 And, prior to that time, had you been a cafeteria worker? 00:57:38.040 --> 00:57:39.314 Yes, I had. 00:57:39.600 --> 00:57:43.752 I see. While in the Pentagon, since 1950... 00:57:44.080 --> 00:57:46.719 ...have you had any connections with coded messages? 00:57:46.800 --> 00:57:48.677 Have you ever handled coded messages? 00:57:49.720 --> 00:57:52.154 - No more than to transmit 'em. - Pardon me? 00:57:52.440 --> 00:57:54.556 No more than to transmit the message. 00:57:54.640 --> 00:57:56.915 Than to transmit them? Did you transmit codes? 00:57:57.000 --> 00:57:59.594 To receive or transmit messages was all I had to do. 00:57:59.680 --> 00:58:02.194 And I've never been into a courtroom in my life. 00:58:02.720 --> 00:58:03.948 Do you know the... 00:58:05.880 --> 00:58:07.472 ...type of classification... 00:58:07.560 --> 00:58:11.553 - Do you know if they were secret, top secret, confidential? - No, sir. 00:58:11.800 --> 00:58:15.031 - You wouldn't know the degree of classification? - No, sir. 00:58:15.440 --> 00:58:16.429 I see. 00:58:17.640 --> 00:58:20.632 I'm afraid I'm going to have to excuse myself, I've got... 00:58:21.760 --> 00:58:25.639 ...a rather important appointment to work on right now... 00:58:25.720 --> 00:58:29.793 ...and I wonder if, Senator Mundt, you would takeover as Chairman? 00:58:34.560 --> 00:58:36.039 - Chairman. Uh... - Cohn. 00:58:36.120 --> 00:58:39.032 I have no further questions of this witness at this time. 00:58:39.120 --> 00:58:43.079 We have the testimony of Mrs. Markward, the undercover agent for the FBI... 00:58:43.360 --> 00:58:46.750 ...stating that Annie Lee Moss was a member, a dues-paying member... 00:58:46.840 --> 00:58:48.512 ...of the Communist Party... 00:58:48.960 --> 00:58:51.155 ...the Northeast Club of the Communist Party. 00:58:51.240 --> 00:58:54.437 We have corroboration of that testimony by another... 00:58:55.400 --> 00:58:57.550 ...witness who was called before the Committee... 00:58:57.640 --> 00:58:59.392 ...and gave a sworn statement to the effect... 00:58:59.480 --> 00:59:02.040 ...that she also knew Mrs. Moss as a member... 00:59:02.120 --> 00:59:04.076 ...of the Northeast Club of the Communist Party. 00:59:04.160 --> 00:59:08.233 She's already lost her job. She's been suspended because of this action. 00:59:08.960 --> 00:59:12.350 I'm not defending her. If she's a Communist, I want her exposed. 00:59:12.680 --> 00:59:16.195 But to make these statements as we've got corroborating evidence... 00:59:16.640 --> 00:59:19.677 ...that she is a Communist, under these circumstances... 00:59:19.760 --> 00:59:23.230 ...I think she's entitled to have it produced here in her presence... 00:59:23.400 --> 00:59:26.551 ...and let the public know about it and let her know about it. 00:59:29.840 --> 00:59:32.991 I don't like to try people by hearsay evidence. 00:59:34.320 --> 00:59:36.959 I'd like to get the witnesses here and try them... 00:59:38.600 --> 00:59:40.238 ...by testimony, under oath. 00:59:40.520 --> 00:59:43.956 The Chair will rule that the comment of Mr. Cohn... 00:59:44.040 --> 00:59:45.598 ...be stricken from the record. 00:59:45.840 --> 00:59:48.274 I didnt ask that, Mr. Chairman! 00:59:48.360 --> 00:59:50.874 ...whether we should try to produce a witness in public... 00:59:50.960 --> 00:59:54.032 ...because the FBI may have her undercover and we don't want to... 00:59:54.120 --> 00:59:58.477 You can't strike these statements made by counsel here as to evidence... 00:59:58.560 --> 01:00:02.599 ...that we're having and withholding. You cannot strike that from the press... 01:00:02.680 --> 01:00:07.595 ...nor from the public mind once it's planted there. That's the... 01:00:09.440 --> 01:00:10.714 ...evil of it! 01:00:11.000 --> 01:00:14.072 - Well, I'd look at it... - I don't think it's fair to a witness... 01:00:14.160 --> 01:00:15.559 ...to a citizen of this country... 01:00:15.640 --> 01:00:17.631 ...to bring them up here and cross-examine them... 01:00:17.720 --> 01:00:19.073 ...then when they get through, say... 01:00:19.160 --> 01:00:21.993 ..."The FBI has got something on you that condemns you." 01:00:22.080 --> 01:00:24.674 - The Chair agrees... - It is not sworn testimony... 01:00:24.760 --> 01:00:28.230 ...it's convicting people by rumor and hearsay and innuendo. 01:00:29.840 --> 01:00:33.310 You will notice that neither Senator McClellan or Senator Symington... 01:00:33.400 --> 01:00:37.552 ...nor this reporter know or claim that Mrs. Moss was or is a Communist. 01:00:38.160 --> 01:00:42.440 They simply claimed that she had the right to meet her accusers face to face. 01:00:56.760 --> 01:01:00.673 One month ago tonight we presented a report on Senator Joseph R. McCarthy. 01:01:01.080 --> 01:01:02.798 We labeled it as controversial. 01:01:03.320 --> 01:01:06.835 Most of that report consisted of words and pictures of the Senator. 01:01:07.400 --> 01:01:08.879 At that time, we said... 01:01:09.040 --> 01:01:12.794 ..."If theSenator believes we havedone violence to his words or pictures..." 01:01:12.880 --> 01:01:15.348 "...if he desires to speak, to answer himself..." 01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:18.432 "...an opportunity would be afforded him on this program." 01:01:18.720 --> 01:01:22.269 The Senator sought the opportunity after 3 weeks... 01:01:22.360 --> 01:01:26.273 ...because he was very busy and wished adequate time to prepare his reply. 01:01:26.800 --> 01:01:27.789 We agreed. 01:01:28.280 --> 01:01:32.273 We placed no restrictions on the manner of the presentation of his reply... 01:01:32.400 --> 01:01:35.358 ...and we suggested that we would not take time to comment... 01:01:35.440 --> 01:01:37.112 ...on this particular program. 01:01:37.640 --> 01:01:41.428 Here now is Senator Joseph R. McCarthy, junior Senator from Wisconsin. 01:01:42.800 --> 01:01:48.875 Good evening. Mr. Edward R. Murrow, Educational Director of the CBS... 01:01:49.840 --> 01:01:52.070 ...devoted his program to an attack... 01:01:52.160 --> 01:01:55.232 ...on the work ofthe US Senate Investigating Committee... 01:01:55.640 --> 01:01:57.756 ...and on me personally as its Chairman. 01:01:58.560 --> 01:02:02.030 Now, over the past 4 years, he has made repeated attacks upon me... 01:02:02.480 --> 01:02:04.198 ...and those fighting Communists. 01:02:05.560 --> 01:02:08.632 Of course, neither Joe McCarthy nor Edward R. Murrow... 01:02:09.280 --> 01:02:12.078 ...is of any great importance as individuals. 01:02:13.120 --> 01:02:14.553 We are only important... 01:02:14.880 --> 01:02:18.759 ...in our relation to the great struggle to preserve our American liberties. 01:02:19.200 --> 01:02:23.716 Now ordinarily, I wouldnt take time out from the important work at hand... 01:02:24.440 --> 01:02:25.634 ...to answer Murrow. 01:02:26.120 --> 01:02:27.599 However, in this case... 01:02:27.680 --> 01:02:31.309 ...I feel justified in doing so because Murrow is the symbol... 01:02:32.040 --> 01:02:33.075 ...the leader... 01:02:33.360 --> 01:02:38.275 ...and the cleverest of the jackal pack which is always found at the throat... 01:02:38.680 --> 01:02:42.559 ...of anyone who dares to expose individual Communists and traitors. 01:02:43.680 --> 01:02:45.557 And I am compelled by the fact... 01:02:45.960 --> 01:02:48.349 ...to say to you that Mr. Edward R. Murrow... 01:02:48.920 --> 01:02:51.354 ...as far back as 20 years ago... 01:02:52.000 --> 01:02:55.276 ...was engaged in propaganda for Communist causes. 01:02:56.440 --> 01:02:59.352 For example, the Institute of International Education... 01:02:59.560 --> 01:03:01.710 ...of which he was the Acting Director... 01:03:02.280 --> 01:03:05.113 ...was chosen to act as a representative... 01:03:05.480 --> 01:03:07.072 ...by a Soviet agency... 01:03:08.160 --> 01:03:13.359 ...to do a job which would normally be done by the Russian secret police. 01:03:14.240 --> 01:03:17.755 Mr. Murrow, by his own admission, was a member of the IWW... 01:03:17.840 --> 01:03:20.274 ...that's the Industrial Workers of the World... 01:03:20.360 --> 01:03:23.033 ...a terrorist organization cited as subversive... 01:03:23.600 --> 01:03:25.989 ...by an Attorney General of the United States. 01:03:26.160 --> 01:03:29.357 Mr. Murrow said on this program and I quote... 01:03:30.120 --> 01:03:33.669 ..."The actions of the junior Senator from Wisconsin..." 01:03:34.960 --> 01:03:38.839 "...have given considerable comfort to the enemy." 01:03:39.440 --> 01:03:43.194 That is the language of our statute of treason, rather strong language. 01:03:43.920 --> 01:03:49.040 If I am giving comfort to our enemies, I ought not to be in the Senate. 01:03:49.360 --> 01:03:51.191 If, on the other hand, Mr. Murrow... 01:03:51.640 --> 01:03:53.631 ...is giving comfort to our enemies... 01:03:53.880 --> 01:03:56.235 ...he ought not to be brought into the homes... 01:03:56.440 --> 01:03:59.876 ...of millions of Americans by the CBS. 01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:01.399 And I want to assure you... 01:04:02.480 --> 01:04:05.358 ...that I will not be deterred... 01:04:06.080 --> 01:04:11.677 ...by the attacks of the Murrows, the Lattimores, the Fosters... 01:04:12.440 --> 01:04:16.228 ...The Daily Worker or the Communist Party itself. 01:04:18.320 --> 01:04:21.312 And I make no claim to leadership. 01:04:23.520 --> 01:04:25.033 Incomplete humility... 01:04:26.800 --> 01:04:30.759 ...I do ask you and every American who loves this country... 01:04:31.440 --> 01:04:32.998 ...to join with me. 01:04:59.920 --> 01:05:01.911 [Everyone talks about the weather.] 01:05:02.720 --> 01:05:05.439 [Wherever you look on America's modern farms...] 01:05:05.720 --> 01:05:09.998 [... aluminum is on the job, helping the farmer do something about the weather.] 01:05:10.840 --> 01:05:13.957 [Aluminum for the farm is one more example of how Alcoa...] 01:05:14.040 --> 01:05:15.359 [... since 1999...] 01:05:15.680 --> 01:05:19.355 [... has continued to pioneer new uses for this vital metal.] 01:05:19.920 --> 01:05:23.879 [New uses of aluminum that mean better farms and better farming.] 01:05:24.480 --> 01:05:27.995 The aluminum from the nation's first and leading producer...] 01:05:28.560 --> 01:05:31.870 [... Alcoa, Aluminum Company of America.] 01:05:32.360 --> 01:05:34.749 Last week, Senator McCarthy appeared on this program... 01:05:34.840 --> 01:05:37.229 ...to correct any errors he might have thought we made... 01:05:37.320 --> 01:05:38.833 ...in our report of March 9th. 01:05:38.920 --> 01:05:42.196 Since he made no reference to any statements of fact that we made... 01:05:42.280 --> 01:05:44.919 ...we must conclude that he found no errors of fact. 01:05:45.800 --> 01:05:48.189 He proved again that anyone who exposes him... 01:05:48.280 --> 01:05:52.717 ...anyone who doesn't share his disregard for decency and human dignity... 01:05:52.840 --> 01:05:55.229 ...and the rights guaranteed by the Constitution... 01:05:55.320 --> 01:05:57.914 ...must be either a Communist or a fellow traveler. 01:05:58.480 --> 01:06:00.198 I fully expected this treatment. 01:06:00.960 --> 01:06:04.270 The Senator added this reporter's name to a long list of individuals... 01:06:04.360 --> 01:06:07.716 ...and institutions he has accused of serving the Communist cause. 01:06:08.080 --> 01:06:09.752 His proposition is very simple: 01:06:10.080 --> 01:06:13.436 ...anyone who criticizes or opposes Senator McCarthy's methods... 01:06:13.640 --> 01:06:14.993 ...must be a Communist. 01:06:15.680 --> 01:06:19.275 And if that be true, there are an awful lot of Communists in the USA. 01:06:19.920 --> 01:06:23.390 For the record, let's consider briefly some of the Senator's charges. 01:06:23.480 --> 01:06:25.471 He claimed, but offered no proof... 01:06:25.560 --> 01:06:28.757 ...that I had been a member of the Industrial Workers of the World. 01:06:28.840 --> 01:06:29.955 That is false. 01:06:30.560 --> 01:06:34.155 I was never a member ofthe IWW, never applied for membership. 01:06:35.240 --> 01:06:37.708 The Senator charged that Professor Harold Laski... 01:06:37.800 --> 01:06:40.712 ...a British scholar and politician, dedicated a book to me. 01:06:40.800 --> 01:06:41.835 That's true. 01:06:42.120 --> 01:06:45.430 He is dead. He was a socialist, I am not. 01:06:46.440 --> 01:06:48.078 He was a civilized individual... 01:06:48.160 --> 01:06:51.277 ...who did not insist upon agreement with his political principles... 01:06:51.360 --> 01:06:54.079 ...as a pre-condition for conversation or friendship. 01:06:54.480 --> 01:06:56.630 I do not agree with his political ideas. 01:06:57.520 --> 01:06:59.909 I ask, as he makes clear in the introduction... 01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:03.310 ...dedicated the book to me, not because of political agreement... 01:07:03.400 --> 01:07:07.075 ...but because he held my wartime broadcast from London in high regard. 01:07:07.560 --> 01:07:09.198 And the dedication so reads. 01:07:10.720 --> 01:07:13.075 I believed 20 years ago and I believe today... 01:07:13.520 --> 01:07:16.990 ...that mature Americans can engage in conversation and controversy... 01:07:17.080 --> 01:07:20.197 ...the clash of ideas, with Communists anywhere in the world... 01:07:20.280 --> 01:07:22.714 ...without becoming contaminated or converted. 01:07:23.480 --> 01:07:25.948 I believe that our faith, our conviction... 01:07:26.320 --> 01:07:28.709 ...our determination are stronger than theirs... 01:07:29.000 --> 01:07:33.232 ...and that we can successfully compete, not only in the area of bombs... 01:07:33.680 --> 01:07:35.432 ...but in the area of ideas. 01:07:37.600 --> 01:07:40.160 I have worked with CBS for more than 19 years. 01:07:40.520 --> 01:07:44.115 The company has subscribed fully to my integrity and responsibility... 01:07:44.200 --> 01:07:46.509 ...as a broadcaster and as a loyal American. 01:07:47.320 --> 01:07:50.630 I require no lectures from the junior Senator from Wisconsin... 01:07:50.720 --> 01:07:53.234 ...as to the dangers or terrors of Communism. 01:07:54.320 --> 01:07:56.595 Having searched my conscience and my files... 01:07:56.680 --> 01:07:59.592 ...I cannot contend that I have always been right or wise... 01:07:59.680 --> 01:08:02.672 ...but I have attempted to pursue thet ruth with diligence... 01:08:02.760 --> 01:08:03.829 ...and to report it... 01:08:03.920 --> 01:08:06.878 ...even though, as in this case, I had been warned in advance... 01:08:06.960 --> 01:08:10.350 ...that I would be subjected to the attentions of Senator McCarthy. 01:08:11.280 --> 01:08:15.239 We shall hope to deal with matters of more vital interest next week. 01:08:16.040 --> 01:08:17.632 Good night, and good luck. 01:08:25.040 --> 01:08:28.669 In the last analysis, the Senator was perched on the television high dive... 01:08:28.760 --> 01:08:30.955 ...and all prepared to make a resounding splash. 01:08:31.040 --> 01:08:33.634 He jumped beautifully, but he neglected to check first... 01:08:33.720 --> 01:08:36.393 ...where he was going to land. It must have been a shock... 01:08:36.480 --> 01:08:39.836 ...to discover that Mr. Murrow had drained the water out of the pool. 01:08:40.680 --> 01:08:43.148 - Is that the Times? Gould? - Yeah, it's Jack Gould. 01:08:43.240 --> 01:08:45.231 - He's a hell of a writer. - Yes, he is. 01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:48.400 - If we can afford him! - Stanton's got a public opinion... 01:08:48.480 --> 01:08:49.993 Senate's investigating McCarthy. 01:08:51.040 --> 01:08:52.029 What? 01:08:52.160 --> 01:08:55.630 The Army's charging that McCarthy and Cohn exercised undue pressure... 01:08:55.720 --> 01:08:58.951 ...to get preferential treatment for Schine. - Who's the source? 01:08:59.040 --> 01:09:02.919 - Got a second source? - There isn't, but this is coming out in 2 hours. 01:09:03.000 --> 01:09:06.197 - Who's heading up the investigation? - It's not gonna be McCarthy! 01:09:06.280 --> 01:09:07.998 - Really? - What happened? 01:09:08.160 --> 01:09:10.913 - Also get me the Washington Post! - What's going on? 01:09:11.000 --> 01:09:12.433 It's Williams for Jack Thompson. 01:09:12.520 --> 01:09:14.238 The Senate's investigating McCarthy. 01:09:15.040 --> 01:09:17.076 There is an added bit of comedy to this whole story. 01:09:17.160 --> 01:09:19.071 The Committee cannot convene for several days... 01:09:19.160 --> 01:09:21.799 ...because Senator McCarthy has a slight case of laryngitis. 01:09:21.880 --> 01:09:25.589 And he must recover over the desert air of Arizona. 01:09:28.760 --> 01:09:32.150 - But Stevens is going after him and it looks like Joe Welch. - Yeah. 01:09:32.240 --> 01:09:34.549 They're gonna allow each side to call witnesses... 01:09:34.640 --> 01:09:36.392 ...and be privy to other testimony. 01:09:36.680 --> 01:09:40.389 - Fred, we still have a meeting! - We're gonna go to talk toThompson. 01:09:42.840 --> 01:09:44.273 No, thanks, Jack. Bye. 01:09:45.120 --> 01:09:47.953 Freddy, we're a hit. Right up there with "Howdy Dowdy"! 01:09:49.200 --> 01:09:51.111 Can I have an outlet satellite, please? 01:09:52.880 --> 01:09:59.228 - 74, 76,47. Thank you. - Murrayville3, 1-2-7-6. 01:10:18.440 --> 01:10:21.432 The fact of newscaster Don Hollenbeck's suicide yesterday... 01:10:21.520 --> 01:10:25.308 ...does not remove from the record that peculiar history... 01:10:26.000 --> 01:10:30.835 ...of the leftist slanting of news indulged consistently by the CBS. 01:10:32.160 --> 01:10:35.277 Hollenbeck was what most astute students of CBS's strange... 01:10:35.600 --> 01:10:37.830 ...and questionable new methods considered... 01:10:37.920 --> 01:10:43.278 ..."typical of its newscasters". By Jack O'Brian. 01:12:13.640 --> 01:12:15.596 Oh, yeah. I like it like that. 01:12:17.760 --> 01:12:21.514 One of the best programs I ever heard was called "CBS Views The Press". 01:12:22.200 --> 01:12:24.555 A great many people liked it, some didn't... 01:12:24.920 --> 01:12:27.434 ...but noone ever called it anything but honest. 01:12:27.840 --> 01:12:31.469 It was the work of an honest reporter. Don Hollenbeck. 01:12:32.400 --> 01:12:34.675 He also worked occasionally on "See It Now'. 01:12:35.360 --> 01:12:38.079 He did the 11 p.m. News over some of these stations. 01:12:38.760 --> 01:12:41.354 He had been sick lately and he died this morning. 01:12:41.920 --> 01:12:44.388 The police said it was suicide... gas. 01:12:46.040 --> 01:12:47.268 Not much of an obit. 01:12:47.720 --> 01:12:50.757 But, at least we got our facts straight, and it was brief. 01:12:51.760 --> 01:12:54.194 And that's all Don Hollenbeck would have asked. 01:12:55.120 --> 01:12:56.838 Good night, and good luck. 01:13:02.240 --> 01:13:04.276 Got to be in Philadelphia this morning. 01:13:05.320 --> 01:13:06.753 What time is your train? 01:13:07.800 --> 01:13:08.755 9:00. 01:13:10.280 --> 01:13:12.748 - Charlie going with you? - Uh-huh. 01:13:21.400 --> 01:13:22.549 Here's a thought. 01:13:24.320 --> 01:13:25.639 What if we're wrong? 01:13:28.200 --> 01:13:29.394 We're not wrong. 01:13:31.040 --> 01:13:32.678 We're not going to look back... 01:13:34.640 --> 01:13:36.676 ...and say we protected the wrong side? 01:13:39.000 --> 01:13:44.120 Protected them from what? In the name of what? What would we be preserving? 01:13:45.200 --> 01:13:48.476 Argument could bemade, 'for the greater good". 01:13:50.640 --> 01:13:53.234 Not once you give it all away. It's no good then. 01:13:54.880 --> 01:13:56.199 It's just a thought. 01:14:02.640 --> 01:14:07.191 Senator, may we not drop this? We know he belonged to the Lawyer's Guild. 01:14:07.280 --> 01:14:09.748 And Mr. Cohn nods his head at me. 01:14:09.960 --> 01:14:13.635 - I did you, I think, no personal injury, Mr. Cohn. - No, sir. 01:14:13.720 --> 01:14:16.234 - I meant to do you no personal injury. - No. 01:14:16.400 --> 01:14:19.358 And if I did, I beg your pardon. 01:14:19.760 --> 01:14:24.993 Let us not assassinate this lad further, Senator. You've done enough. 01:14:25.320 --> 01:14:28.710 - Let's... let's... - Have you no sense of decency, sir? 01:14:28.920 --> 01:14:33.835 At long last, have you left no sense of decency? 01:14:34.200 --> 01:14:38.034 - I know this hurts you, Mr. Welch. - Senator, I think it hurts you, too. 01:14:38.160 --> 01:14:41.516 - I'd like to finish this. - Have you some private reservation... 01:14:41.600 --> 01:14:45.229 ...when you take the oath that you will tell the whole truth... 01:14:45.600 --> 01:14:48.637 ...that lets you be the judge of what you will testify to? 01:14:48.800 --> 01:14:52.270 The answer is there's no reservation about telling the whole truth. 01:14:52.440 --> 01:14:57.560 Thank you, sir. Then tell us who delivered the documents to you! 01:14:57.640 --> 01:15:00.552 I don't want to mean that this new fashion is not chic. 01:15:00.640 --> 01:15:04.235 - I think it's just no good for me. - Uh, not for you. 01:15:04.520 --> 01:15:07.114 Milko, anything you care to say on that subject? 01:15:07.200 --> 01:15:08.519 I think no comment. 01:15:12.000 --> 01:15:15.231 It's got to be there. If you can't find it, I cant write about it. 01:15:15.320 --> 01:15:17.629 - Check again. - Charlie said he dropped it off. 01:15:17.720 --> 01:15:20.757 - Charlie said he dropped... - Shirley, can I see you a minute? 01:15:20.960 --> 01:15:22.518 - I got to call you back. - Joe! 01:15:22.640 --> 01:15:23.595 You, too. 01:15:33.480 --> 01:15:34.515 Close the door. 01:15:37.640 --> 01:15:38.675 Have a seat. 01:15:42.160 --> 01:15:45.152 - How are you? - Fine, thank you. - Swell. Yeah. 01:15:45.800 --> 01:15:48.758 Uh, you both are aware that there's a policy at CBS... 01:15:48.840 --> 01:15:50.876 ...that no two employees can be married. 01:15:53.560 --> 01:15:56.836 I want to ask you a question, but I don't want you to answer it. 01:15:56.920 --> 01:15:58.592 I want you to consider it. 01:15:59.720 --> 01:16:01.312 I know you two are married. 01:16:03.320 --> 01:16:04.389 Everyone knows. 01:16:05.520 --> 01:16:06.748 That's not my question. 01:16:07.120 --> 01:16:10.078 In the next few weeks I have to lay off a couple of people. 01:16:10.160 --> 01:16:12.879 We're making some significant cuts across the board. 01:16:14.120 --> 01:16:15.678 I wanted you to know that... 01:16:15.880 --> 01:16:18.713 ...because you could save someone else being fired. 01:16:20.800 --> 01:16:24.509 I'm asking you to consider makng this decision a little easier. 01:16:26.760 --> 01:16:28.352 I don't need an answer now. 01:16:29.840 --> 01:16:31.796 Just think about it. 01:16:33.400 --> 01:16:34.355 Good. 01:16:45.800 --> 01:16:46.994 - Well, Joe... - Well? 01:16:47.400 --> 01:16:50.472 - Sure we'regonna miss you around here. - I'll pack my things. 01:16:53.600 --> 01:16:56.194 - I think it's for the best. - We'll find out! 01:16:58.720 --> 01:16:59.948 Mrs. Wershba... 01:17:02.720 --> 01:17:03.835 Everybody knew. 01:17:12.520 --> 01:17:14.397 Natalie, did he say what it was about? 01:17:14.480 --> 01:17:17.233 No. Just that he wanted to talk to you in his office. 01:17:32.320 --> 01:17:33.389 Uh-oh! 01:17:36.680 --> 01:17:39.990 The problem isn't simply that you've lost your sponsor. 01:17:40.360 --> 01:17:42.590 With Alcoa, "See It Now" still loses money. 01:17:42.680 --> 01:17:43.999 The fee is 50,000 dollars. 01:17:44.080 --> 01:17:46.548 Last week's episode we did for less than 50,000 dollars. 01:17:46.640 --> 01:17:48.471 Fred, you're speakng beyond your competence. 01:17:48.560 --> 01:17:50.869 We'll certainly find another sponsor. 01:17:50.960 --> 01:17:54.509 "64,000 Dollar Question" brings in over 90,000 in sponsors... 01:17:54.600 --> 01:17:56.716 ...and it costs one-third of what youdo. 01:17:56.800 --> 01:17:59.678 Ed, I've got Tuesday night programming that's number one. 01:17:59.760 --> 01:18:03.070 People want to enjoy themselves. They don't want a civics lesson. 01:18:03.160 --> 01:18:05.958 - What do you want, Bill? - I don't want to get a stomachache... 01:18:06.040 --> 01:18:08.429 ...every time you take on a controversial subject. 01:18:10.080 --> 01:18:13.038 I'm afraid that's the price you have to be willing to pay. 01:18:14.400 --> 01:18:17.233 Let's walk very carefully through these next few moments. 01:18:17.320 --> 01:18:19.629 The content of what we're doing is more important... 01:18:19.720 --> 01:18:22.951 ...than what some guy in Cincinnati... - It's what you'redoing, Ed. Not me. 01:18:23.040 --> 01:18:24.109 Not Frank Stanton. You. 01:18:24.480 --> 01:18:28.314 "CBS News", "See It Now" all belong to you, Bill. 01:18:28.400 --> 01:18:29.469 You wouldn't know it. 01:18:31.160 --> 01:18:35.756 - What is it you want? Credit? - I never censored a single program. 01:18:36.680 --> 01:18:40.912 I hold on to affiliates who wanted entertainment from us. 01:18:41.280 --> 01:18:42.998 I fight to keep the license... 01:18:43.080 --> 01:18:46.311 ...with the very same politicians that you are bringing down... 01:18:46.400 --> 01:18:51.235 ...and I never, never said no to you. Never. 01:18:52.560 --> 01:18:55.552 I would argue that we have done very well by one another. 01:18:56.640 --> 01:18:58.471 I would argue that this network... 01:18:59.680 --> 01:19:02.592 ...is defined by what the news department has accomplished. 01:19:02.680 --> 01:19:06.559 And I would also argue that never saying no is not the same as not censoring. 01:19:06.640 --> 01:19:09.677 Really? You should teach journalism. You and Mr. Friendly. 01:19:15.800 --> 01:19:17.074 Let me ask you this: 01:19:18.720 --> 01:19:20.438 ...why didn't you correct McCarthy... 01:19:20.520 --> 01:19:23.432 ...when he said that Alger Hiss was convicted of treason? 01:19:23.640 --> 01:19:27.155 He was only convicted of perjury. You corrected everything else. 01:19:27.800 --> 01:19:30.872 Did you not want the appearance of defending a known Communist? 01:19:30.960 --> 01:19:33.679 I would argue that everyone censors, including you. 01:19:37.520 --> 01:19:39.158 What do you want to do, Bill? 01:19:43.000 --> 01:19:45.833 I'm takng your program from a half an hour to an hour. 01:19:45.920 --> 01:19:49.276 And it wont be a weekly program and it won't be Tuesday nights. 01:19:49.880 --> 01:19:52.155 - When would it be? - Sunday afternoons. 01:19:55.520 --> 01:19:57.715 - How many episodes? - 5. 01:20:00.360 --> 01:20:02.191 Why don't you just fire me, Bill? 01:20:02.320 --> 01:20:04.595 I don't think it's what either of us wants. 01:20:08.880 --> 01:20:10.199 You owe me 5 shows. 01:20:19.800 --> 01:20:22.314 - You won't like the subject matter. - Probably not. 01:20:22.480 --> 01:20:24.550 Fred, I'll need you for a moment. 01:20:38.680 --> 01:20:40.910 - Thank you, Mary. - Goodbye, Mr. Friendly. 01:20:46.880 --> 01:20:50.077 - He wants me to lay a few people off. - I'm sure he does. 01:20:50.240 --> 01:20:53.152 Let's do our first show about the downfall of television. 01:20:56.160 --> 01:20:59.436 - Senate's gonna vote to censure McCarthy tomorrow. - Probably. 01:20:59.520 --> 01:21:02.592 - And then what happens? - He sits in the back row. - Right. 01:21:02.920 --> 01:21:06.959 - They keep him in the Senate. They don't kick him out. - No, he stays. 01:21:17.160 --> 01:21:19.276 Well, we might as well go down swinging. 01:21:23.120 --> 01:21:25.918 Did you know the most trusted man in America is Milton Berle? 01:21:26.000 --> 01:21:27.877 See, you should have worn a dress! 01:21:29.520 --> 01:21:32.034 - Howd does a Scotch sound? - Scotch sounds good. 01:21:33.040 --> 01:21:35.474 - Did you know Joe and Shirley were married? - Sure. 01:21:35.560 --> 01:21:37.516 - Did everyone know? - Pretty much. 01:21:37.600 --> 01:21:40.273 We are proud because from the beginning of this nation... 01:21:40.720 --> 01:21:42.119 ...man can walk upright. 01:21:44.720 --> 01:21:46.870 No matter who he is or who she is. 01:21:47.720 --> 01:21:51.508 He can walk upright and meet his friend or his enemy. 01:21:52.360 --> 01:21:55.272 And he does not fear that because that enemy... 01:21:56.200 --> 01:21:58.270 ...may be in a position of great power... 01:21:59.200 --> 01:22:03.796 ...that he can be suddenly thrown in jail... 01:22:05.280 --> 01:22:08.636 ...to rott here without charges and with no recourse to justice. 01:22:10.600 --> 01:22:13.558 We have the Habeas Corpus Act and we respect it. 01:22:14.360 --> 01:22:17.432 I began by saying that our history will be what we makeit. 01:22:18.160 --> 01:22:19.639 If we go on as we are... 01:22:19.920 --> 01:22:23.356 ...then history will take its revenge, and retribution will not limp... 01:22:23.440 --> 01:22:24.793 ...in catching up with us. 01:22:26.240 --> 01:22:30.074 Just once in a while, let us exalt the importance of ideas and information. 01:22:31.400 --> 01:22:34.710 Let us dream to the extent of saying that on a given Sunday night... 01:22:34.800 --> 01:22:36.950 ...the time normally occupied by Ed Sullivan... 01:22:37.040 --> 01:22:40.669 ...is given over to a clinical survey on the state of American education. 01:22:40.760 --> 01:22:44.036 And a week or two later, the time normally used by Steve Allen... 01:22:44.120 --> 01:22:48.238 ...is devoted to a thorough-going study of American policy in the Middle East. 01:22:49.160 --> 01:22:52.550 Would the corporate image of their respective sponsors be damaged? 01:22:52.840 --> 01:22:55.912 Would the shareholders rise up in their wrath and complain? 01:22:56.680 --> 01:22:57.635 Would anything happen... 01:22:57.720 --> 01:23:01.349 ...other than a few million people would have received a little illumination... 01:23:01.440 --> 01:23:04.557 ...on subjects that may well determine the future of this country... 01:23:04.640 --> 01:23:07.029 ...and therefore the future of the corporations? 01:23:07.760 --> 01:23:11.036 To those who say, "People wouldn't look, they wouldn't be interested..." 01:23:11.120 --> 01:23:13.998 "...they're tooc omplacent, indifferent and insulated"... 01:23:14.200 --> 01:23:17.909 ...I can only reply: There is, in one reporter's opinion... 01:23:18.360 --> 01:23:20.874 ...considerable evidence against that contention. 01:23:21.880 --> 01:23:24.758 But even if they are right, what have they got to lose? 01:23:25.000 --> 01:23:26.513 Because if they are right... 01:23:26.600 --> 01:23:28.556 ...and this instrument is good for nothing... 01:23:28.640 --> 01:23:31.074 ...but to entertain, amuse and insulate... 01:23:31.760 --> 01:23:33.557 ...then the tube is flickering now... 01:23:33.640 --> 01:23:36.598 ...and we will soon see that the whole struggle is lost. 01:23:37.520 --> 01:23:38.999 This instrument can teach. 01:23:39.400 --> 01:23:41.789 It can illuminate and it can even inspire. 01:23:42.440 --> 01:23:46.353 But it can do so only to the extent that humans are determined to use it... 01:23:46.440 --> 01:23:47.793 ...towards those ends. 01:23:49.160 --> 01:23:51.628 Otherwise, it is merely wiresand lights... 01:23:52.320 --> 01:23:53.435 ...in a box. 01:23:56.400 --> 01:23:58.755 Good night, and good luck.