1 00:02:34,542 --> 00:02:38,375 In 1935, Ed Murrow began his career with CBS. 2 00:02:39,208 --> 00:02:40,833 When World War Two broke out... 3 00:02:40,958 --> 00:02:43,708 ...his voice brought the battle of Britain home to us... 4 00:02:43,833 --> 00:02:46,250 ...through his "This Is London" radio series. 5 00:02:47,208 --> 00:02:48,708 He started with us all... 6 00:02:48,875 --> 00:02:52,250 ...many of us here tonight, when television was in its infancy... 7 00:02:52,375 --> 00:02:54,792 ...with the news documentary show, "See It Now'. 8 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:56,708 He threw stones at giants. 9 00:02:57,833 --> 00:03:01,042 Segregation, exploitation of migrant workers... 10 00:03:01,292 --> 00:03:03,333 ...apartheid, J. Edgar Hoover... 11 00:03:04,250 --> 00:03:08,333 ...not the least of which, his historical fight with Senator McCarthy. 12 00:03:09,500 --> 00:03:13,083 He is the host of our enormously popular show "Person to Person"... 13 00:03:13,833 --> 00:03:16,583 ...and tonight he is here with his son, Casey... 14 00:03:17,083 --> 00:03:20,375 ...wife, Janet, and all of you who he's worked with... 15 00:03:20,750 --> 00:03:23,792 ...inspired, lectured, and taught. 16 00:03:24,958 --> 00:03:26,250 Ladies and gentlemen... 17 00:03:26,375 --> 00:03:30,500 ...the Radio-Television News Directors' Association and Foundation welcomes... 18 00:03:30,625 --> 00:03:32,833 ...Mr. Edward R. Murrow. 19 00:03:53,500 --> 00:03:55,625 This might just do nobody any good. 20 00:03:56,542 --> 00:04:00,250 At the end of this discourse a few people may accuse this reporter... 21 00:04:00,375 --> 00:04:02,542 ...of fouling his own comfortable nest... 22 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,500 ...and your organization may be accused of having given hospitality... 23 00:04:06,625 --> 00:04:08,958 ...to heretical and even dangerous ideas. 24 00:04:10,042 --> 00:04:12,292 But the elaborate structure of networks... 25 00:04:12,417 --> 00:04:16,208 ...advertising agencies, and sponsors will not be shaken or altered. 26 00:04:17,125 --> 00:04:20,500 It is my desire, if not my duty, to try to talk to you journeymen... 27 00:04:20,625 --> 00:04:24,125 ...with some candor about what is happening to radio andtelevision. 28 00:04:24,250 --> 00:04:26,167 And if what I say is responsible... 29 00:04:26,625 --> 00:04:29,167 ...I alone am responsible for the saying ofit. 30 00:04:30,417 --> 00:04:32,542 Our history will be what we make of it. 31 00:04:33,458 --> 00:04:37,000 And if there are any historians about 50 or 100 years from now... 32 00:04:37,125 --> 00:04:38,708 ...and there should be preserved... 33 00:04:38,833 --> 00:04:41,625 ...the kinescopes of one week of all three networks... 34 00:04:42,083 --> 00:04:45,708 ...they will there find recorded in black and white, and in color... 35 00:04:46,333 --> 00:04:48,333 ...evidence of decadence, escapism... 36 00:04:48,458 --> 00:04:52,042 ...and insulation from the realities of the world in which we live. 37 00:04:52,625 --> 00:04:56,375 We are currently wealthy, fat, comfortable, and complacent. 38 00:04:57,250 --> 00:05:00,917 We have a built-in allergy to unpleasant or disturbing information. 39 00:05:01,167 --> 00:05:03,333 Our mass media reflect this. 40 00:05:04,375 --> 00:05:06,708 But unless we get up off our fat surpluses... 41 00:05:06,833 --> 00:05:09,250 ...and recognize that television in the main... 42 00:05:09,375 --> 00:05:13,542 ...is being used to distract, delude, amuse, and insulate us... 43 00:05:14,083 --> 00:05:16,333 ...then television and those who finance it... 44 00:05:16,458 --> 00:05:19,333 ...those who look at it and those who work at it... 45 00:05:19,708 --> 00:05:22,250 ...may see atotally different picture too late. 46 00:06:09,208 --> 00:06:12,375 Millie! Just the person I wanted to see! Come here! 47 00:06:22,208 --> 00:06:24,333 This goes at the top of the Roy Campanella piece. 48 00:06:24,458 --> 00:06:25,542 Yes! Give me a half an hour. 49 00:06:25,667 --> 00:06:27,458 I may need it a little quicker than that! 50 00:06:27,583 --> 00:06:30,667 - Can I get some coffee first? - Come on! Get me some coffee! 51 00:06:32,792 --> 00:06:33,917 Morning, Johnny! 52 00:06:34,042 --> 00:06:37,125 I have some new notes that go with the Tito footage for Fred. 53 00:06:37,250 --> 00:06:38,458 Fred's gonna be in in an hour. 54 00:06:38,583 --> 00:06:41,750 I already put them on his desk. Can you just make sure that... 55 00:06:41,875 --> 00:06:44,625 ...he doesn't look at the film until he reads the notes? 56 00:06:44,750 --> 00:06:46,042 - Yes. - Thank you. 57 00:06:46,417 --> 00:06:47,417 Hey, Joe! Shirley! 58 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,333 - What's going on in here? - What do you mean? 59 00:06:51,458 --> 00:06:53,333 Two attractive people alone in the copy room! 60 00:06:53,458 --> 00:06:54,708 Don't tell Paley, he'll fire me. 61 00:06:54,833 --> 00:06:56,292 He'll fire both of us, Shirley. 62 00:06:56,417 --> 00:06:59,167 - Rules are made to be broken! - You can afford to say that. 63 00:07:03,833 --> 00:07:05,042 Let me see this. 64 00:07:08,708 --> 00:07:12,292 - It's simply a loyalty oath. - To CBS? - And to America. 65 00:07:12,583 --> 00:07:14,042 You promise to be a loyal American? 66 00:07:14,167 --> 00:07:16,292 I know. All of the reporters have signed this. 67 00:07:16,417 --> 00:07:18,083 Who are you promising this to? CBS? 68 00:07:18,208 --> 00:07:20,167 Fred signed it. Murrow signed it. 69 00:07:20,292 --> 00:07:21,625 - Murrow signed it? - Yeah. 70 00:07:23,125 --> 00:07:24,833 Are you now or have you ever been... 71 00:07:24,958 --> 00:07:27,167 I thought it was a joke, but there's a lot of pressure. 72 00:07:27,292 --> 00:07:29,792 ...on the Attorney General's list of subversive groups? 73 00:07:29,917 --> 00:07:32,083 - I don't know. - Let's think about it. 74 00:07:32,208 --> 00:07:35,750 What is it really saying? Is it a civil liberties issue or censorship? 75 00:07:35,875 --> 00:07:38,167 Am I simply stating to CBS that I'm not a Communist? 76 00:07:38,292 --> 00:07:40,583 - Murrow signed this? - And Fred and Stanton. 77 00:07:40,708 --> 00:07:43,833 - Maybe you should talk toMurrow. - Maybe I should sign it. 78 00:07:45,042 --> 00:07:47,792 If you don't sign this, are you and I a target? 79 00:07:50,125 --> 00:07:52,042 If I don'tsign it, they'll fire me. 80 00:07:58,542 --> 00:07:59,500 Sign it. 81 00:07:59,958 --> 00:08:02,083 Finally we can tell everyone the truth. 82 00:08:03,417 --> 00:08:06,792 If I could express it in what's in my heart now... 83 00:08:07,208 --> 00:08:11,542 ...I'd do it in the terms of the poet who once said... 84 00:08:12,167 --> 00:08:15,500 ..."Ah, 'tis but a dainty flower I bring to you." 85 00:08:16,542 --> 00:08:18,542 'Yes, 'tis but a violet..." 86 00:08:19,542 --> 00:08:21,000 "...glistening with dew." 87 00:08:22,042 --> 00:08:25,542 "But still in its heart there lie beauties concealed." 88 00:08:26,667 --> 00:08:28,292 "So in our heart..." 89 00:08:29,750 --> 00:08:31,292 "...our love for you..." 90 00:08:32,333 --> 00:08:34,875 "...lies unrevealed." 91 00:08:37,417 --> 00:08:38,500 I used to... 92 00:08:44,708 --> 00:08:49,667 ...pride myself on the idea that I was a bit... tough... 93 00:08:51,500 --> 00:08:57,667 ...especially over the past 19-19 months, when we've been... 94 00:08:58,292 --> 00:09:01,333 ...kicked around, and bullwhipped, and damned. 95 00:09:02,667 --> 00:09:03,958 I didnt think that... 96 00:09:06,292 --> 00:09:09,250 ...I could be... touched very deeply. 97 00:09:09,500 --> 00:09:11,708 Okay, that's enough. That's enough, Leo. 98 00:09:11,833 --> 00:09:13,833 - It's short. - Howlong is the piece? 99 00:09:13,917 --> 00:09:15,667 It's 4 minutes, but we can cut it down. 100 00:09:15,750 --> 00:09:18,542 It cant stand alone, but it might be a nice companion piece. 101 00:09:18,667 --> 00:09:20,958 Let's go through this one more time. Palmer! 102 00:09:21,083 --> 00:09:24,375 Yep, got a call from the office of Senator Morse this morning... 103 00:09:24,458 --> 00:09:27,583 ...interested in setting up a debate possibly with Senator Kerr... 104 00:09:27,708 --> 00:09:30,125 ...over the comments Bentsen made on last night's show. 105 00:09:30,250 --> 00:09:33,458 Secretary of Agriculture? Good idea! Can they do it by this week? 106 00:09:33,583 --> 00:09:36,125 No, it would have to be 2 weeks at the earliest... 107 00:09:36,250 --> 00:09:39,542 ...depending on Morse's schedule. But still it's a great idea. 108 00:09:39,667 --> 00:09:42,958 Let's follow up on that. "Hoover speaks on Benjamin Franklin." 109 00:09:43,083 --> 00:09:46,167 We're having better luck with Mr. Benjamin Frankin... 110 00:09:46,292 --> 00:09:47,500 ...than with Mr. Hoover. 111 00:09:47,625 --> 00:09:50,042 It may progress better as a "Person to Person". 112 00:09:50,125 --> 00:09:52,583 "At home with Ben Frankin. His electricity awards." 113 00:09:52,708 --> 00:09:54,583 We've got the footage, we need to contact him. 114 00:09:54,667 --> 00:09:58,375 See if you can contact him and get the shot. He wants to do the story. Joe! 115 00:09:58,458 --> 00:10:00,208 Member Delbert Clark? No longer with us. 116 00:10:00,333 --> 00:10:02,833 - New York Times? - Yeah. - Our friend at the Times. 117 00:10:02,958 --> 00:10:05,625 This was yesterday morning, they're saying it's... 118 00:10:05,875 --> 00:10:09,417 - How old was he? - 53. Sudden illness. 119 00:10:09,542 --> 00:10:12,208 - Home of a friend. - No, it's not a nobit piece. 120 00:10:12,375 --> 00:10:14,875 Natalie send some flowers over there from us. 121 00:10:15,375 --> 00:10:17,667 Couple things. Case before the Supreme Court... 122 00:10:17,792 --> 00:10:21,667 ...involving the constitutionality of a section of the Internal Security Act... 123 00:10:21,750 --> 00:10:23,708 ...provides for the deportation of any alien... 124 00:10:23,833 --> 00:10:26,542 ...if he becomes a Communist after entering this country. 125 00:10:27,125 --> 00:10:28,167 Can you take this? 126 00:10:28,292 --> 00:10:30,833 All right. McCarthy interrupting his wedding trip... 127 00:10:30,958 --> 00:10:34,417 ...to take charge of the investigation of Communist infiltration... 128 00:10:34,542 --> 00:10:36,917 - Natalie, send some flowers. - Poor Mrs. McCarthy! 129 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,125 May I finish? It's national security! 130 00:10:39,208 --> 00:10:42,000 - A real ladies' man! - Well, they're in love. 131 00:10:42,542 --> 00:10:46,875 We have no show for Tuesday, fellows. So get out there and make some news. 132 00:10:47,750 --> 00:10:51,042 Rob a bank. Mug an old lady. Do something. 133 00:10:51,833 --> 00:10:54,458 - You look at the Secretary Stevens footage? - We will. 134 00:10:54,583 --> 00:10:57,083 Watch it all the way to the end, it's worth it. 135 00:10:58,708 --> 00:10:59,875 Thank you, John. 136 00:11:00,833 --> 00:11:02,167 There's notmuch there. 137 00:11:02,333 --> 00:11:05,792 I can't tie it to the Eisenhower in the back of the train piece. 138 00:11:06,125 --> 00:11:09,458 - You ever spend any time in Detroit, Fred? - Not recently. 139 00:11:10,875 --> 00:11:14,083 There's a story here in the Detroit News, Dexter, Michigan. 140 00:11:14,875 --> 00:11:16,917 A kid named Milo Radulovich. 141 00:11:18,542 --> 00:11:22,250 - Italian? - Irish. Air Force kicked him out because his dad... 142 00:11:22,375 --> 00:11:26,958 ...reads ome Serbian newspaper. - Was he a Communist? - I don't know. 143 00:11:27,083 --> 00:11:28,875 - Who brought the charges? - Air Force. 144 00:11:29,708 --> 00:11:32,292 Charges were in a sealed envelope, nobody saw them. 145 00:11:32,417 --> 00:11:35,667 - Not even at the hearing? - He was declared guilty without a trial... 146 00:11:35,792 --> 00:11:37,500 ...and told if he wanted to keep his job... 147 00:11:37,625 --> 00:11:40,875 ...he had to denounce his father and his sister. Thank you, Natalie. 148 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,417 - His sister? - He told them to take a hike. 149 00:11:45,167 --> 00:11:48,792 Let's send Joe and Charlie down there, see if he's any good on camera. 150 00:11:48,917 --> 00:11:51,167 Is he being brought before the Committee? 151 00:11:51,917 --> 00:11:52,875 No. 152 00:11:54,042 --> 00:11:55,375 Then it's not McCarthy. 153 00:11:57,042 --> 00:11:58,000 Isn't it? 154 00:12:04,125 --> 00:12:05,625 Milo Radulovich. 155 00:12:09,917 --> 00:12:11,292 What happens to your children... 156 00:12:11,417 --> 00:12:14,292 ...your 5-year-old and your 5-month-old in terms of you? 157 00:12:14,417 --> 00:12:17,333 If I am being judged on my relatives... 158 00:12:18,375 --> 00:12:23,417 ...are my children going to be asked to denounce me? 159 00:12:23,542 --> 00:12:27,542 Are they going to be judged on what their father was labeled? 160 00:12:28,292 --> 00:12:33,250 Are they going to have to explain to their friends, etc... 161 00:12:33,375 --> 00:12:35,667 ...why their father is a security risk? 162 00:12:36,667 --> 00:12:41,292 If the thing is let stand as it, the first recommendation... 163 00:12:41,625 --> 00:12:45,792 ...was sent out by the board, I see a chain reaction that... 164 00:12:46,625 --> 00:12:48,875 ...has no end to anybody, for anybody. 165 00:12:55,583 --> 00:12:56,875 Well, that's new. 166 00:12:58,125 --> 00:12:59,708 You can't call this a neutral piece. 167 00:12:59,833 --> 00:13:03,083 The other side's been represented rather well for the last 2 years. 168 00:13:03,208 --> 00:13:04,750 The Air Force hasn't gone on the record. 169 00:13:04,875 --> 00:13:07,875 So you want to forego the standards you've stuck to for 15 years... 170 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:09,208 ...both sides, no commentary. 171 00:13:09,333 --> 00:13:12,292 - We all editorialize. - I'm just making sure we identify what... 172 00:13:12,417 --> 00:13:14,042 We're giving them the information up front... 173 00:13:14,167 --> 00:13:15,708 ...and we're asking them to comment on it. 174 00:13:15,833 --> 00:13:16,833 Frank, hold on. 175 00:13:17,625 --> 00:13:19,250 I've searched my conscience. 176 00:13:19,458 --> 00:13:22,625 I can't for the life of me find any justification for this. 177 00:13:22,750 --> 00:13:25,583 I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story... 178 00:13:25,708 --> 00:13:27,708 ...two equal and logical sides to an argument. 179 00:13:27,833 --> 00:13:30,750 - Call it editorializing, if you'd like. - It is editorializing. 180 00:13:30,875 --> 00:13:32,542 They'll have equal time to defend themselves. 181 00:13:32,667 --> 00:13:34,708 Do you understand the position you're putting us in? 182 00:13:34,833 --> 00:13:37,750 We are all in this together, if the Senate wants to investigate... 183 00:13:37,875 --> 00:13:38,875 Do me a favor... 184 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,292 ...avoid any big speeches about how we're all in a big boat together! 185 00:13:42,417 --> 00:13:43,583 Please, don't insult me. 186 00:13:44,167 --> 00:13:48,250 I have to go back to Mr. Paley and Alcoa, who sponsors your show... 187 00:13:48,792 --> 00:13:51,083 ...and also have some military contracts... 188 00:13:51,208 --> 00:13:54,375 ...and I have to tell them that they're going to be in a tough bind... 189 00:13:54,500 --> 00:13:56,500 ...because of a beef you had with Joe McCarthy. 190 00:13:56,625 --> 00:13:59,708 - We're not going at McCarthy. - You're starting the goddamn fire. 191 00:13:59,833 --> 00:14:03,167 Excuse me. Mr. Friendly, there's a Colonel Anderson to see you? 192 00:14:03,292 --> 00:14:06,750 - Colonel? - He's in your office. There are two of them. 193 00:14:08,583 --> 00:14:11,792 Maybe they liked the transcript, and want to compliment us on it. 194 00:14:12,417 --> 00:14:13,417 Excuse me. 195 00:14:21,625 --> 00:14:24,333 Go after Joe Kennedy. We'll pay for it. 196 00:14:24,875 --> 00:14:26,917 I've got a great story about Hoover. 197 00:14:30,917 --> 00:14:33,333 You know how many shows you're going to have to do... 198 00:14:33,458 --> 00:14:36,500 ...to make up for this? - And Judy and her daughter Liza next week. 199 00:14:36,625 --> 00:14:38,667 No, no. You're interviewing Rin Tin Tin! 200 00:14:43,792 --> 00:14:45,292 I'll talk to Mr. Paley. 201 00:14:47,917 --> 00:14:49,708 Alcoa wont pay for the ads. 202 00:14:50,750 --> 00:14:54,375 And we probably wont either. But nobody'll stop you. 203 00:14:54,500 --> 00:14:55,625 How much are the ads? 204 00:14:57,917 --> 00:15:01,042 - 3,000. - I'll split it with Fred. 205 00:15:02,667 --> 00:15:05,958 He just won't have Christmas presents for his kids this year. 206 00:15:06,333 --> 00:15:09,500 - He's a Jew. - Don't tell him that, he loves Christmas. 207 00:15:18,708 --> 00:15:21,667 - To be clear, you did speak with the lawyers? - Yes, we did. 208 00:15:21,792 --> 00:15:25,042 And we read the transcript. We've not been allowed to see the footage. 209 00:15:25,167 --> 00:15:28,167 Mack is on a plane from Dexter right now with the last interviews. 210 00:15:28,292 --> 00:15:30,000 We'll be going right down to the wire. 211 00:15:30,125 --> 00:15:34,750 Your show airs tomorrow. How can we possibly approve and check... 212 00:15:34,875 --> 00:15:38,542 ...your story in the limited amount of time you have given us? 213 00:15:38,667 --> 00:15:42,333 With all due respect, you have been invited to participate in this piece... 214 00:15:42,458 --> 00:15:43,792 ...not to approve it. 215 00:15:44,458 --> 00:15:47,458 We are going with the story that says that the U.S. Air Force... 216 00:15:47,583 --> 00:15:50,083 ...tried Milo Radulovich without any evidence... 217 00:15:50,208 --> 00:15:52,750 ...and found him guilty of being a security risk... 218 00:15:52,875 --> 00:15:56,500 ...without his Constitutional rights... - You have not seen the evidence... 219 00:15:56,625 --> 00:15:58,917 ...and are claiming he's not a security risk. 220 00:15:59,042 --> 00:16:03,125 Wouldn't you guess that those who have seen the contents of that envelope... 221 00:16:03,250 --> 00:16:07,250 ...might have a better idea of what makes someone a danger to his country? 222 00:16:07,375 --> 00:16:10,667 - Who? Who? - Or do you think it should just be you that decides? 223 00:16:10,792 --> 00:16:13,333 Who are the people? Are they elected? Are they appointed? 224 00:16:13,458 --> 00:16:16,125 Do they have an axe to grind? Is it you, sir? 225 00:16:16,375 --> 00:16:20,583 Or you, Colonel Jenkns? Do you know the contents of that sealed envelope? 226 00:16:21,625 --> 00:16:27,125 We have been a friend and ally of both Mr. Murrow and CBS News for many years. 227 00:16:27,750 --> 00:16:31,000 The story you are going to run tomorrow is without merit. 228 00:16:31,542 --> 00:16:34,625 So before you take any steps that cannot be undone... 229 00:16:35,042 --> 00:16:37,708 ...I strongly urge you to reconsider your stand. 230 00:16:38,375 --> 00:16:41,792 These are very dangerous waters you are attempting to navigate. 231 00:16:47,917 --> 00:16:53,750 We have had no hearing at all. We have had noday in court. 232 00:16:54,208 --> 00:16:58,292 In all the 32 years that I have been a practicing attorney in Detroit... 233 00:16:58,542 --> 00:17:03,042 ...I have never witnessed such a farce and travesty upon justice... 234 00:17:03,167 --> 00:17:05,125 ...as this thing has developed. 235 00:17:05,458 --> 00:17:08,208 - Now this whole theory... - Eddie, just take the first reel. 236 00:17:08,333 --> 00:17:10,250 Tell John I left 5 seconds extra leader. 237 00:17:10,375 --> 00:17:13,708 5 seconds! I got it! Palmer, where's Joe? Have you seen Joe? 238 00:17:13,833 --> 00:17:15,083 He's on his way to the control room. 239 00:17:15,208 --> 00:17:16,833 We're gonna have to do the voice-over live. 240 00:17:16,958 --> 00:17:18,708 Natalie, I need a booth with a live mic. 241 00:17:18,833 --> 00:17:20,042 Booth is there, it's already set. 242 00:17:20,167 --> 00:17:22,333 We didn't have time to sync the voice-over out. 243 00:17:22,625 --> 00:17:24,250 That's not what I asked for. 244 00:17:25,958 --> 00:17:27,875 It's missing the voice-over on the last piece. 245 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,083 There's a commercial in the booth. What shall I do? 246 00:17:30,208 --> 00:17:32,917 - 2 minutes to air! - There's not supposed to be a commercial! 247 00:17:33,042 --> 00:17:34,292 Get himout of the booth! 248 00:17:37,875 --> 00:17:40,042 2-and-a-half minutes on the end piece. 249 00:17:41,250 --> 00:17:43,917 Keep it down, please. It's a little loud. 250 00:17:44,083 --> 00:17:45,333 2 minutes to air, fellas. 251 00:17:46,750 --> 00:17:50,083 - He's gonna add a joke. - Charlie, loan me your lighter. 252 00:17:51,958 --> 00:17:55,292 Make sure you know that I swap with those two pieces of parents. 253 00:17:55,417 --> 00:17:58,375 - As long as he talks fast because... - He will talk fast. 254 00:18:03,542 --> 00:18:04,667 We got the film. 255 00:18:05,917 --> 00:18:07,125 Will it be ready? 256 00:18:07,667 --> 00:18:08,667 You bet. 257 00:18:14,667 --> 00:18:15,875 Funny thing, Freddy! 258 00:18:16,375 --> 00:18:19,625 Every time you light a cigarette for me, I know you're lying. 259 00:18:34,250 --> 00:18:37,125 It occurs t ome we might not get away with this one. 260 00:18:43,500 --> 00:18:46,542 Alcoa, the aluminum company of America... 261 00:18:46,625 --> 00:18:48,792 - 10 seconds. - You fellas, ready? Okay. 262 00:18:49,083 --> 00:18:50,333 Ready on camera 1. 263 00:18:57,292 --> 00:19:01,583 5, 4,3, 2. 264 00:19:04,500 --> 00:19:05,708 Pan, camera 1. 265 00:19:07,292 --> 00:19:08,250 Good evening. 266 00:19:08,750 --> 00:19:12,375 A few weeks ago there occurred a few obscure notices in the newspapers... 267 00:19:12,500 --> 00:19:14,250 ...about Milo Radulovich... 268 00:19:14,667 --> 00:19:16,833 ...a lieutenant in the Air Force Reserves. 269 00:19:17,208 --> 00:19:20,833 And, also, something about Air Force regulation 35-62... 270 00:19:21,750 --> 00:19:25,292 ...which states that a man may be regarded as a security risk... 271 00:19:25,417 --> 00:19:28,625 ...if he has close and continuing association with Communists... 272 00:19:28,750 --> 00:19:31,417 ...or people believed to have Communist sympathies. 273 00:19:32,375 --> 00:19:35,875 Lieutenant Radulovich was asked to resign in August. He declined. 274 00:19:36,125 --> 00:19:38,333 A board was called and heard his case. 275 00:19:38,458 --> 00:19:42,042 At the end it was recommended that he be severed from the Air Force... 276 00:19:42,167 --> 00:19:45,542 ...although it was also stated that there was no question whatever... 277 00:19:45,667 --> 00:19:47,458 ...as to the Lieutenant's loyalty. 278 00:19:47,583 --> 00:19:50,000 We propose to examine, in so far as we can... 279 00:19:50,125 --> 00:19:52,208 ...the case of Lieutenant Radulovich. 280 00:19:52,458 --> 00:19:55,208 Our reporter, Joe Wershba, cameraman, Charlie Mack. 281 00:19:56,167 --> 00:19:59,125 This is the town of Dexter, Michigan. Population 1500. 282 00:19:59,542 --> 00:20:02,833 This statue is at the end of Ann Arbor Street erected by... 283 00:20:02,917 --> 00:20:04,875 What did the General tell you yesterday? 284 00:20:05,083 --> 00:20:08,292 - A Colonel. There were two of them. - That makes a General. 285 00:20:08,417 --> 00:20:09,792 They weren't too pleased. 286 00:20:10,708 --> 00:20:12,625 You're gonna get audited this year. 287 00:20:13,042 --> 00:20:16,167 Not me, you. I told them I didn't want to do the story. 288 00:20:17,500 --> 00:20:20,083 - You always were yellow. - Better than red. 289 00:20:27,250 --> 00:20:28,333 In 10 seconds. 290 00:20:32,833 --> 00:20:35,417 This is the sister, Margaret Radulovich Fishman. 291 00:20:35,833 --> 00:20:38,958 She neither defends nor explains her political activities. 292 00:20:39,208 --> 00:20:43,958 I feel that my activities, be what they may... 293 00:20:44,083 --> 00:20:47,000 ...or my political beliefs are my own private affair. 294 00:20:47,542 --> 00:20:52,667 Are my children going to be asked to denounce me? 295 00:20:52,792 --> 00:20:56,875 Are they going to be judged on what their father was labeled? 296 00:20:57,375 --> 00:21:02,250 Are they going to have to explain to their friends, etc... 297 00:21:02,417 --> 00:21:04,417 ...why their father is a security risk? 298 00:21:05,375 --> 00:21:10,250 I see, absolutely, that this is a chain reaction. 299 00:21:10,625 --> 00:21:14,917 If the thing is let stand as it, the first recommendation... 300 00:21:15,042 --> 00:21:19,292 ...was sent out by the board I see a chain reaction... 301 00:21:19,417 --> 00:21:22,833 ...that has no end to anybody, for anybody. 302 00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:26,792 Perhaps you will permit me to read a few sentences... 303 00:21:26,917 --> 00:21:30,000 ...because I would like to say rather precisely what I mean. 304 00:21:30,417 --> 00:21:33,167 We have told the Air Force that we will provide facilities... 305 00:21:33,292 --> 00:21:36,333 ...for any comments, criticisms, or corrections it may wish to make... 306 00:21:36,417 --> 00:21:38,417 ...as to the case of Milo Radulovich. 307 00:21:39,750 --> 00:21:43,208 We are unable to judge the charges against his father or sister... 308 00:21:43,333 --> 00:21:46,625 ...because neither we, nor you, nor they, nor the lawyers... 309 00:21:46,750 --> 00:21:50,750 ...nor the Lieutenant, know what was contained in that manila envelope. 310 00:21:51,500 --> 00:21:54,625 Was it hearsay, rumor, gossip, slander... 311 00:21:54,917 --> 00:21:58,917 ...or hard ascertainable facts that could be backed by credible witnesses? 312 00:21:59,292 --> 00:22:00,458 We do not know. 313 00:22:01,333 --> 00:22:04,583 We believe the son shall not bear the iniquity of the father. 314 00:22:04,750 --> 00:22:08,208 Even though that iniquity be proved and in this case it was not. 315 00:22:09,250 --> 00:22:12,542 But we believe too that this case illustrates the urgent need... 316 00:22:12,625 --> 00:22:16,542 ...for the Armed Forces to communicate more fully than they have so far done... 317 00:22:16,667 --> 00:22:19,083 ...the procedures and regulations to be followed... 318 00:22:19,208 --> 00:22:21,583 ...in attempting to protect the national security... 319 00:22:21,708 --> 00:22:24,417 ...and the rights of the individual at the same time. 320 00:22:25,542 --> 00:22:28,208 Whatever happens in this area of the relationship... 321 00:22:28,333 --> 00:22:30,417 ...between the individual and the state... 322 00:22:30,542 --> 00:22:32,083 ...we will do it ourselves... 323 00:22:32,667 --> 00:22:37,083 ...it cannot be blamed on Malenkov or Mao Tse-Tung or even our allies. 324 00:22:37,875 --> 00:22:41,167 And, it seems to us, Fred Friendly and myself... 325 00:22:41,708 --> 00:22:45,167 ...that this is a subject that should be argued about endlessly. 326 00:22:46,792 --> 00:22:48,625 Good night, and good luck. 327 00:22:55,542 --> 00:22:56,667 And we'reout. 328 00:24:32,500 --> 00:24:32,917 May I tell you something about yourself... 329 00:24:32,917 --> 00:24:34,583 May I tellyou something about yourself... 330 00:24:34,708 --> 00:24:37,083 ...as a member of the "Person to Person" audience? 331 00:24:37,208 --> 00:24:39,250 Based on audience research studies... 332 00:24:39,833 --> 00:24:43,375 ...you are well above average in education and intelligence. 333 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,125 Your interests are wide, from world affairs and science... 334 00:24:47,333 --> 00:24:49,125 ...to sports and show business. 335 00:24:49,458 --> 00:24:52,667 And you have one characteristic that's rather encouraging to me... 336 00:24:52,792 --> 00:24:56,667 ...and that's the fact that you are not easily persuaded by advertising. 337 00:24:57,458 --> 00:25:00,250 The makers of Kent considered all these characteristics... 338 00:25:00,375 --> 00:25:02,500 ...when they chose Mr. Murrow'sprogram... 339 00:25:02,625 --> 00:25:04,125 ...to tell you about Kent. 340 00:25:04,417 --> 00:25:09,458 Of all leading filter cigarettes, Kent filter's best. 341 00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:12,833 If you try Kent with that in mind, I think you'll agree... 342 00:25:12,958 --> 00:25:16,125 ...with many other thinking people who havec hanged to Kent. 343 00:25:16,500 --> 00:25:21,375 They find that it makes good sense to smoke Kent and good smoking, too. 344 00:25:22,375 --> 00:25:25,625 - Did you get the changes? - Edward Murrow, "Person to Person"... 345 00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:29,542 ...on the CBS Television Network. - No, no. You there? Okay. We got it. 346 00:25:29,667 --> 00:25:31,208 Now back to Ed Murrow. 347 00:25:32,500 --> 00:25:35,375 Not since the silent movies and the idols they produced... 348 00:25:35,500 --> 00:25:39,208 ...has Hollywood witnessed the sort of pilgrimage that is now going on. 349 00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:43,375 Each day, oblivious to time, weather, and the state of the world... 350 00:25:43,583 --> 00:25:47,375 ...sightseers head in the direction of California's San Fernando Valley. 351 00:25:47,875 --> 00:25:51,083 For there, at the end of the tourist line, is Sherman Oaks... 352 00:25:51,208 --> 00:25:54,500 ...and the home Liberace has built for himself and his mother. 353 00:25:54,708 --> 00:25:58,542 This is the front and nobody knows how many people have seen that view. 354 00:25:59,208 --> 00:26:02,417 This is the back of the house and that's Liberace's bedroom. 355 00:26:03,458 --> 00:26:05,583 - Good evening, Lee. - Good evening, Ed. 356 00:26:05,708 --> 00:26:10,417 - What are you doing? - I'm dictating my weekly syndicated newspaper column... 357 00:26:10,917 --> 00:26:17,417 ...and on my trusty tape recorder here, I'm also dictating a book. 358 00:26:17,542 --> 00:26:19,875 - It's an inspirational book. - Lee, what about you? 359 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,958 Have you given much thought to getting married and settling down? 360 00:26:23,083 --> 00:26:25,667 Actually, I've given a lot of thought to it... 361 00:26:25,792 --> 00:26:29,667 ...but I don't believe in getting married just for the sake of getting married. 362 00:26:29,792 --> 00:26:32,458 I want to someday find the perfect mate... 363 00:26:32,875 --> 00:26:36,917 ...and settle down to what I hope will be a marriage that will be blessed... 364 00:26:37,083 --> 00:26:39,667 ...by faith and will be a lasting union. 365 00:26:40,208 --> 00:26:44,917 I was reading about lovely young Princess Margaret... 366 00:26:45,500 --> 00:26:48,167 ...and she's lookng for her dream man, too... 367 00:26:48,750 --> 00:26:50,708 ...and I hope she finds him someday. 368 00:26:52,125 --> 00:26:55,833 Uh-huh. Lee, thanks very much for letting us come and visit you. 369 00:26:55,958 --> 00:26:57,083 It's been very pleasant. 370 00:26:57,208 --> 00:26:59,333 And will you say goodnight to your family for us? 371 00:26:59,458 --> 00:27:01,125 - I certainly will. - Thanks a lot. 372 00:27:01,250 --> 00:27:03,042 - Good night, Ed. - Good night, Lee. 373 00:27:04,542 --> 00:27:07,250 Next week, we'll take you to Beverly Hills, California... 374 00:27:07,375 --> 00:27:10,042 ...to the house of Mickey Rooney and his newbride. 375 00:27:10,125 --> 00:27:12,792 Until then, good night, and good luck. 376 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,583 Good show, Mr. Murrow! 377 00:27:43,792 --> 00:27:45,000 Excuse me, Mr. Murrow. 378 00:27:45,125 --> 00:27:47,792 Could you take a look at this and sign it for me, please? 379 00:27:47,917 --> 00:27:51,000 Thank you. Dr. Stanton would like to have a drink with you. 380 00:27:51,125 --> 00:27:53,125 - When? - Now. He's at the Pentagon Bar. 381 00:27:53,250 --> 00:27:55,417 I can't. What the hell is he doing there? 382 00:27:55,542 --> 00:27:58,375 - I believe he's waiting for you. - Just call him! - Fine. 383 00:27:58,500 --> 00:28:01,167 - Oppenheimer next week. - It's a good show, Ed. 384 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,292 - Hey, Don! - Ed! 385 00:28:05,375 --> 00:28:06,750 You're getting good at this! 386 00:28:07,333 --> 00:28:09,083 They're gonna think you like it! 387 00:28:09,292 --> 00:28:11,542 Pays the bills. How are you, Don? 388 00:28:12,875 --> 00:28:13,875 Ah, it's... 389 00:28:15,375 --> 00:28:16,542 ...day today. 390 00:28:17,333 --> 00:28:20,208 If she saw how good you look right now, she'd be back. 391 00:28:21,792 --> 00:28:24,167 You tell her that if you see her, will you? 392 00:28:25,708 --> 00:28:28,875 - I read the O'Brian piece. - Yeah, it's tough. 393 00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:32,292 I'm a pinko. I slant the news. 394 00:28:33,417 --> 00:28:36,208 I'm just waiting for him to say my wife left me too. 395 00:28:36,542 --> 00:28:39,417 - Nobody worth their salt reads him. - You read him. 396 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,625 Well, see, I rest my case. 397 00:28:43,375 --> 00:28:47,583 - Does Paley read him? - Bill Paley's not gonna do anything. 398 00:28:50,792 --> 00:28:51,875 Thanks, Ed. 399 00:28:53,250 --> 00:28:56,500 I just came by to tell you how great the Lieutenant piece was. 400 00:28:56,625 --> 00:28:59,792 - Thanks. - How's the fallout? - Mostly good, surprisingly. 401 00:29:00,042 --> 00:29:02,792 Is this the start? Are you taking sides? 402 00:29:05,417 --> 00:29:08,417 It's just a little poke with a stick, see what happens. 403 00:29:08,708 --> 00:29:10,375 You let me know if I can help. 404 00:29:10,625 --> 00:29:12,042 But you're a pinko. 405 00:29:14,833 --> 00:29:16,042 I'll see you. 406 00:29:32,042 --> 00:29:34,708 Hey, Joe! What's all this Radulovich junk you're putting out? 407 00:29:34,792 --> 00:29:37,667 I can't talk to you now. I have to get this film back to New York. 408 00:29:37,792 --> 00:29:39,083 What would you say if I told you... 409 00:29:39,208 --> 00:29:41,750 ...that Murrow was on the Soviet payroll in 1935? 410 00:29:43,958 --> 00:29:47,000 - Uh! Charlie, you wanna... - Sure. I'll set up outside. 411 00:29:49,167 --> 00:29:50,750 McCarthy going tot he Eisenhower dinner? 412 00:29:50,875 --> 00:29:54,417 - I have no idea. Id on't keep the Senator's calendar for him! - Really? 413 00:29:58,583 --> 00:30:02,250 Have you ever seen any spy films? You don't hand me a classified folder! 414 00:30:02,375 --> 00:30:04,458 You're supposed to slip it into my briefcase! 415 00:30:04,583 --> 00:30:07,708 I didnt know who to give this information to, Paley or Murrow. 416 00:30:07,833 --> 00:30:11,375 As you can imagine, Fred and I aren't very friendly. No pun intended. 417 00:30:11,792 --> 00:30:13,250 No pun elocuted. 418 00:30:16,750 --> 00:30:18,708 - What do you got, Donald? - In short? 419 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,708 Murrows been a Communist sympathizer since the 1930's. 420 00:30:21,833 --> 00:30:25,333 Member of the International Workers, sponsored educational trips to Moscow... 421 00:30:25,458 --> 00:30:27,958 ...and on the Sovietpayroll in 1935. It's all there. 422 00:30:28,083 --> 00:30:29,917 You wanna know why that's not possible? 423 00:30:30,042 --> 00:30:31,500 Why you'll lose this one? 424 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,958 Because everyone in this country... 425 00:30:34,083 --> 00:30:37,167 ...knows that Ed Murrow is a loyal American, he's apatriot. 426 00:30:39,167 --> 00:30:41,875 Did you know the word "gullible" isn't in the dictionary? 427 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,958 - Can I give this to him? - I'd love it! I have copies! 428 00:30:48,083 --> 00:30:49,583 I think you guys go too far. 429 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,292 Well, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck. 430 00:30:59,167 --> 00:31:00,458 Yes, Mr. Paley. 431 00:31:01,500 --> 00:31:03,083 Right away. Yes, sir. 432 00:31:04,833 --> 00:31:06,250 No, he hasn't called. 433 00:31:07,583 --> 00:31:11,375 Yes, sir, the second he calls. If you're in a meeting, shall I? 434 00:31:12,750 --> 00:31:14,583 Yes, sir. Of course, sir. 435 00:31:17,375 --> 00:31:18,417 Mr. Murrow! 436 00:31:19,333 --> 00:31:21,042 Mr. Paley will see you now. 437 00:31:24,917 --> 00:31:28,625 - Mr. Paley, Mr. Murrow is here. - Thanks, Miss Mary. 438 00:31:29,250 --> 00:31:32,000 - Hello, Ed. - Bill... - Sit over here, will you? 439 00:31:32,875 --> 00:31:33,917 How's Janet? 440 00:31:34,375 --> 00:31:36,750 - Your son? - All well, thanks. How's Babe? 441 00:31:36,917 --> 00:31:40,042 She's fine. Her fundraiser got rained on, so... 442 00:31:40,500 --> 00:31:43,333 - Oh! That's why I never plan on anything. - Really? 443 00:31:44,917 --> 00:31:46,125 You'd never know. 444 00:31:50,042 --> 00:31:51,292 Reading fiction? 445 00:31:51,958 --> 00:31:53,792 I hope so. You tell me. 446 00:31:55,250 --> 00:31:57,042 Now we know how they're gonna come at us. 447 00:31:57,167 --> 00:32:00,042 That's just the first shot. Somebody's going to go down. 448 00:32:00,167 --> 00:32:02,750 Have you checked your facts? Are you on safe ground? 449 00:32:05,083 --> 00:32:07,917 - Bill, it's time. Show our cards. - My cards. 450 00:32:08,792 --> 00:32:12,667 You lose, what happens? 5 guys find themselves out of work. 451 00:32:13,125 --> 00:32:17,292 I'm responsible for a lot more than 5 goddamn reporters. Let it go. 452 00:32:19,083 --> 00:32:21,208 McCarthy will self-destruct, Cohn, all of them. 453 00:32:21,333 --> 00:32:23,750 You said Corporate would not interfere with Editorial... 454 00:32:23,875 --> 00:32:25,333 ...and that the News was to be left... 455 00:32:25,458 --> 00:32:27,208 We don't make the news, we report the news. 456 00:32:27,333 --> 00:32:30,042 He's marked as Communists. 457 00:32:30,167 --> 00:32:32,167 If he goes too far, the Senate will investigate him... 458 00:32:32,292 --> 00:32:33,250 ...and we will report on that. 459 00:32:33,375 --> 00:32:36,625 He oversteps people's civil liberties. 460 00:32:36,750 --> 00:32:37,833 And you're trying him in the press? 461 00:32:37,958 --> 00:32:39,917 Does he get the right to face his accuser? 462 00:32:40,042 --> 00:32:42,500 You've decided on this and you're presenting it as fact. 463 00:32:42,625 --> 00:32:44,917 - What I am doing... - I write your check. 464 00:32:45,042 --> 00:32:48,875 I put you in your country house, and I put your son through school! 465 00:32:49,292 --> 00:32:52,875 You should have told me about this before it went so far down the road! 466 00:33:04,417 --> 00:33:08,250 Everyone of your boys needs to be clean. Do you understand? No ties. 467 00:33:08,500 --> 00:33:13,042 If Aaron's mother went to a group fundraiser in 1932, he's out. 468 00:33:13,208 --> 00:33:16,958 Hewitt, too. Anyone in that room. You make no mistake... 469 00:33:17,125 --> 00:33:20,708 ...I will cut them loose. Corporate won't interfere with Editorial. 470 00:33:20,833 --> 00:33:24,208 But Editorial will not jeopardize the hundreds of employees... 471 00:33:24,333 --> 00:33:27,625 ...of the CBS. Do I make myself clear? 472 00:33:28,958 --> 00:33:30,208 Yes? 473 00:33:35,708 --> 00:33:39,042 Fellas, our next show is gonna be about Senator McCarthy. 474 00:33:40,167 --> 00:33:41,917 And we'regonna go right at him. 475 00:33:42,583 --> 00:33:45,333 I don't need to tell you how careful we have to be. 476 00:33:45,458 --> 00:33:48,583 If we are to do this, Ed and I need you to be straight with us. 477 00:33:48,708 --> 00:33:50,875 We need to know, for the good of the piece... 478 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,792 ...if any of you have any connection, if you subscribed to a newsletter... 479 00:33:54,917 --> 00:33:56,750 ...if you attended a party, anything... 480 00:33:56,875 --> 00:34:00,000 ...anything that could compromise this, anything at all... 481 00:34:00,500 --> 00:34:02,792 ...because now would be the time to tell us. 482 00:34:08,292 --> 00:34:10,250 Ed, I think I should excuse myself. 483 00:34:11,250 --> 00:34:12,667 Palmer, you kidding? 484 00:34:13,667 --> 00:34:16,167 My ex was a... I wouldn't say she was a Communist... 485 00:34:16,292 --> 00:34:19,333 ...but she attended meetings. It was before we were married. 486 00:34:19,458 --> 00:34:22,375 I didn't even really know about it until after the divorce. 487 00:34:22,958 --> 00:34:25,917 But it was different then. We were all on the same side. 488 00:34:27,458 --> 00:34:30,375 I'm not telling you anything you don't know. The thing is... 489 00:34:30,500 --> 00:34:31,917 ...somebody'll find out. 490 00:34:33,667 --> 00:34:35,125 They'll hurt us with it. 491 00:34:36,708 --> 00:34:39,125 I should have told you sooner, Ed, I'm sorry. 492 00:34:40,292 --> 00:34:41,375 Fred. 493 00:34:44,625 --> 00:34:47,292 If none of us had ever read a "dangerous" book... 494 00:34:47,500 --> 00:34:49,625 ...or had a friend who was "different"... 495 00:34:49,750 --> 00:34:52,417 ...or never joined an organization that advocated "change"... 496 00:34:52,500 --> 00:34:55,292 ...we'd all be the kindof people Joe McCarthy wants. 497 00:34:57,292 --> 00:35:00,875 We're gonna go with the story, because the terror is in this room. 498 00:35:04,917 --> 00:35:07,167 John! Jesse! Go through the HUAC hearings. 499 00:35:07,292 --> 00:35:11,167 Eddie! Palmer! Look at who did the interviews and any speeches. 500 00:35:12,208 --> 00:35:13,792 Okay, fellas, here we go. 501 00:35:14,417 --> 00:35:16,375 His own words, that's what we need. 502 00:35:16,500 --> 00:35:19,000 ...said that he wouldn't remove a General from the Army... 503 00:35:19,125 --> 00:35:22,083 ...who supported a Communist Major. I said, "Then, General..." 504 00:35:22,208 --> 00:35:24,500 "...you should be removed from any command." 505 00:35:25,042 --> 00:35:28,792 "Any man who says, "I will protect and honor a General'..." 506 00:35:29,083 --> 00:35:33,375 "...'who protects Communists', is not fit to wear that uniform, General." 507 00:35:33,708 --> 00:35:35,292 Ethically, we're fine. 508 00:35:35,500 --> 00:35:39,208 But legally, if we air this, are we leaking closed hearing testimony? 509 00:35:39,333 --> 00:35:41,708 - But he chose to read it. - We're not misquoting him. 510 00:35:41,833 --> 00:35:45,208 - There are other reporters. - If it's a legal issue, it's his. 511 00:35:45,333 --> 00:35:46,667 I'll check with Campbell in Legal. 512 00:35:46,792 --> 00:35:48,792 And wait till you hear the bleeding hearts... 513 00:35:49,292 --> 00:35:51,375 ...scream and cry about our methods... 514 00:35:52,625 --> 00:35:54,625 ...of trying to drag the truth... 515 00:35:56,250 --> 00:35:58,375 ...from those who know or should know... 516 00:35:59,250 --> 00:36:02,167 ...who covered up a Fifth Amendment Communist Major. 517 00:36:03,083 --> 00:36:04,417 But they say, "Oh..." 518 00:36:05,458 --> 00:36:09,417 "...it's all right to uncover them, but don't get rough doing it, McCarthy." 519 00:36:11,500 --> 00:36:16,042 Did a Civil Liberties Union provide you with an attorney at that time? 520 00:36:16,917 --> 00:36:18,667 I had many offers of attorneys... 521 00:36:18,792 --> 00:36:22,667 ...and from the American Civil Liberties Union, too. - The question is: 522 00:36:22,792 --> 00:36:25,708 ...did the Civil Liberties Union supply you with an attorney? 523 00:36:25,833 --> 00:36:28,375 - They did supply an attorney. - The answer is yes? 524 00:36:28,542 --> 00:36:29,500 The answer is yes. 525 00:36:29,625 --> 00:36:32,083 You know the Civil Liberties Union has been listed... 526 00:36:32,208 --> 00:36:35,375 ...as a front for and doing the work of the Communist Party? 527 00:36:35,917 --> 00:36:37,833 Mr. Chairman, this was 1932! 528 00:36:39,292 --> 00:36:40,583 I know this was in 1932. 529 00:36:40,667 --> 00:36:42,833 Do you know that they since have been listed... 530 00:36:42,958 --> 00:36:45,458 ...as a front for and doing the work of the Communist Party? 531 00:36:45,583 --> 00:36:47,792 I do not know that they have been listedso, sir. 532 00:36:47,917 --> 00:36:50,250 - You don't know? - I have heard that mentioned... 533 00:36:50,375 --> 00:36:51,583 All right, Leo. Turn it off. 534 00:36:51,667 --> 00:36:55,458 - I need those three cans of Stevens! - Has anybody read this book yet? 535 00:36:55,583 --> 00:36:57,875 It would be nice if this guy isn't a Commie. 536 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,375 - Did Millie give it to you? - I wanna read the book. 537 00:37:00,458 --> 00:37:02,042 - Nobody else, Joe. - I hear you, boss. 538 00:37:02,167 --> 00:37:04,458 I'll put it on a kinescope, push through the end. 539 00:37:04,583 --> 00:37:05,750 Palmer, cut it at 2:30. 540 00:37:05,875 --> 00:37:08,208 I prefer it one on each end, let it run through. 541 00:37:08,292 --> 00:37:10,125 It'd be more powerful. Cut Kennedy? 542 00:37:10,250 --> 00:37:13,042 Joe, file it for me. I'll see the Mundt piece later. 543 00:37:13,333 --> 00:37:14,667 Are we gonna make it, Fred? 544 00:37:15,042 --> 00:37:17,167 We lost the telecine, but we'll make it. 545 00:37:20,625 --> 00:37:22,500 Did you finish your closing piece? 546 00:37:23,292 --> 00:37:24,458 It's Shakespeare. 547 00:37:26,375 --> 00:37:27,667 Write your closing. 548 00:37:56,208 --> 00:37:59,458 My argument was if you just show the images of McCarthy... 549 00:37:59,583 --> 00:38:01,083 ...it doesn't make any difference. 550 00:38:01,208 --> 00:38:03,458 If you agree with him, you're gonna hate the piece. 551 00:38:03,542 --> 00:38:04,583 If you don't, you'll love it. 552 00:38:04,708 --> 00:38:06,667 Maybe they should wait till they get more footage. 553 00:38:06,792 --> 00:38:08,250 I don't think wec an take that chance. 554 00:38:08,375 --> 00:38:10,958 We've got to hit McCarthy before he comes after Ed. 555 00:38:12,750 --> 00:38:16,083 The blue one. They haven't gone after the AIsops or Herb Block. 556 00:38:16,333 --> 00:38:19,083 Honey, the AIsops and Herb Block... 557 00:38:19,792 --> 00:38:23,417 ...didn't work for the Institute of International Education in 1934. 558 00:38:24,250 --> 00:38:25,583 Then I guess it's time. 559 00:38:32,917 --> 00:38:33,875 You worried? 560 00:38:36,708 --> 00:38:38,042 I didn't think I was. 561 00:38:38,750 --> 00:38:41,333 I don't know why. I was in the office on Friday. 562 00:38:41,708 --> 00:38:44,708 And I answered the phone, it was Howard calling from London. 563 00:38:44,833 --> 00:38:47,250 And he asked what was going on with McCarthy. 564 00:38:47,500 --> 00:38:52,667 And before I answered him, I turned and looked over my shoulder... 565 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,875 ...tosee who was listening. - And who was listening? 566 00:38:57,708 --> 00:38:58,917 Chairman Mao... 567 00:39:05,250 --> 00:39:06,667 I'll see you at the office. 568 00:39:07,667 --> 00:39:09,250 - Hey, your ring! - Uh! 569 00:39:12,583 --> 00:39:14,000 Name me another wife... 570 00:39:14,500 --> 00:39:17,208 ...who reminds her husband to take off his wedding ring... 571 00:39:17,333 --> 00:39:20,500 ...before he goes to the office. - Ava Gardner. 572 00:39:27,875 --> 00:39:31,583 Excuse me, Mr. Friendly. Mr. Murrow, Mr. Paley's on the line for you. 573 00:39:33,708 --> 00:39:37,292 - Maybe he wants to reimburse us for those ads. - You'd like that! 574 00:39:37,667 --> 00:39:39,500 - I would like that! - This is Ed. 575 00:39:39,833 --> 00:39:43,208 There's a Knickerbocker game tonight. I've got front row seats. 576 00:39:43,458 --> 00:39:44,708 Are you interested? 577 00:39:45,583 --> 00:39:48,500 I'm busy bringing down the network tonight, Bill. 578 00:39:48,833 --> 00:39:49,792 Is that tonight? 579 00:39:51,542 --> 00:39:52,792 We're covered, Bill. 580 00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:54,792 All right. 581 00:39:56,750 --> 00:40:01,417 - I'm with you today, Ed, and I'm with you tomorrow. - Thanks, Bill. 582 00:40:17,208 --> 00:40:19,458 Do you know the timing on the first piece? 583 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,917 Can we hold all the calls, please? 584 00:40:23,208 --> 00:40:25,375 Hold the calls till after the show. Thank you. 585 00:40:25,833 --> 00:40:27,917 - You fellas, awake down there? - Okay. 586 00:40:28,292 --> 00:40:31,042 - Just... what are we? 20? - 30 seconds, Ed. 587 00:40:46,958 --> 00:40:48,208 10 seconds. 588 00:40:52,542 --> 00:40:57,083 5, 4,3, 2. 589 00:40:58,500 --> 00:40:59,917 And pan, camera one. 590 00:41:03,167 --> 00:41:07,042 Because a report on Senator McCarthy is by definition controversial... 591 00:41:07,500 --> 00:41:09,792 ...we want to say exactly what we mean to say... 592 00:41:09,917 --> 00:41:12,625 ...and request your permission to read from a script... 593 00:41:12,750 --> 00:41:15,250 ...what ever remarks Murrow and Friendly may make. 594 00:41:15,833 --> 00:41:19,583 If the Senator feels that we have done violence to his words or pictures... 595 00:41:19,708 --> 00:41:21,917 ...and desires to answer himself... 596 00:41:22,125 --> 00:41:24,958 ...an opportunity will be afforded him on this program. 597 00:41:25,417 --> 00:41:27,958 Our working thesis tonight is this quotation: 598 00:41:28,708 --> 00:41:30,333 ..."If this fight against Communism..." 599 00:41:30,458 --> 00:41:33,750 "...has made a fight between America's two great political parties..." 600 00:41:33,875 --> 00:41:37,333 "...the American people know that one of these parties will be destroyed..." 601 00:41:37,458 --> 00:41:40,875 "...and the Republic cannot endure very long as a one-party system." 602 00:41:41,375 --> 00:41:42,917 We applaud that statement... 603 00:41:43,042 --> 00:41:45,250 ...and we think Senator McCarthy ought to. 604 00:41:45,500 --> 00:41:47,792 He said it 17 months ago in Milwaukee. 605 00:41:48,875 --> 00:41:52,208 The American people realize that this cannot be made a fight... 606 00:41:52,375 --> 00:41:54,958 ...between America's two great political parties. 607 00:41:55,083 --> 00:41:56,667 If this fight against Communism... 608 00:41:56,792 --> 00:41:59,958 ...is made a fight against America's two great political parties... 609 00:42:00,083 --> 00:42:03,667 ...the American people know that one of those parties will be destroyed... 610 00:42:03,792 --> 00:42:07,167 ...and the Republic can't endure very long as a one-party system. 611 00:42:08,042 --> 00:42:10,625 On one thing the Senator has been consistent. 612 00:42:11,208 --> 00:42:14,500 Often operating as a one-man committee, he has traveled far... 613 00:42:14,583 --> 00:42:16,792 ...interviewed many, terrorized some... 614 00:42:17,333 --> 00:42:19,333 ...accused civilian and military leaders... 615 00:42:19,458 --> 00:42:21,875 ...of the past administration of a great conspiracy... 616 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,958 ...to turn over the country to Communism. 617 00:42:24,083 --> 00:42:28,458 I was extremely shocked when I heard that Secretary Stevens... 618 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:33,292 ...told 2 Army officers that they had to take part in the cover up... 619 00:42:33,792 --> 00:42:36,375 ...of those who promoted and coddled Communists. 620 00:42:36,625 --> 00:42:39,500 As I read his statement, I... 621 00:42:40,500 --> 00:42:43,458 ...thought of that quotation, "On what meat..." 622 00:42:44,208 --> 00:42:46,375 "...does this our Caesar feed?". 623 00:42:46,542 --> 00:42:47,500 The questions is: 624 00:42:47,625 --> 00:42:50,625 ...did the Civil Liberties Union supply you with an attorney? 625 00:42:50,750 --> 00:42:53,292 - They did supply an attorney. - The answer is yes? 626 00:42:53,417 --> 00:42:54,375 The answer is yes. 627 00:42:54,500 --> 00:42:57,208 Do you think this book did considerable harm? 628 00:42:57,458 --> 00:42:58,833 Its publication... 629 00:42:59,958 --> 00:43:02,625 ...by an expression of the views contained in it? 630 00:43:02,958 --> 00:43:06,250 The sale of that book was so abysmally small... 631 00:43:06,792 --> 00:43:11,125 ...it was so unsuccessful, that the question of its influence... 632 00:43:11,583 --> 00:43:13,375 You can go back to the publisher... 633 00:43:13,500 --> 00:43:17,125 ...you'll see it was one of the most unsuccessful books he ever put out. 634 00:43:17,250 --> 00:43:19,375 He's still sorry about it, just as I am. 635 00:43:19,667 --> 00:43:22,875 Well, I think that's a compliment to American intelligence. 636 00:43:23,792 --> 00:43:24,875 I'll say that. 637 00:43:25,583 --> 00:43:29,250 The Reed Harris hearing demonstrates one of the Senator's techniques. 638 00:43:29,375 --> 00:43:30,583 Twice he said... 639 00:43:30,875 --> 00:43:34,708 ...'The American Civil Liberties Union was listed as a subversive front." 640 00:43:34,792 --> 00:43:37,792 The Attorney General's list does not and never has listed... 641 00:43:37,875 --> 00:43:40,708 ...the ACLU as subversive, nor does the FBI... 642 00:43:40,833 --> 00:43:43,042 ...or any other federal government agency. 643 00:43:43,417 --> 00:43:46,500 And the American Civil Liberties Union holds in its files... 644 00:43:46,625 --> 00:43:49,208 ...letters of commendation from President Truman... 645 00:43:49,333 --> 00:43:51,917 ...President Eisenhower, and General MacArthur. 646 00:43:52,958 --> 00:43:57,417 Earlier, the Senator asked, "Upon what meat does this our Caesar feed?". 647 00:43:57,708 --> 00:44:00,417 Had he looked three lines earlier in Shakespeare's "Caesar"... 648 00:44:00,542 --> 00:44:04,083 ...he would have found this line, which is not altogether inappropriate. 649 00:44:04,208 --> 00:44:08,458 "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves." 650 00:44:09,167 --> 00:44:11,417 No one familiar with the history of this country... 651 00:44:11,542 --> 00:44:14,208 ...can deny that Congressional committees are useful. 652 00:44:14,333 --> 00:44:17,167 It is necessary to investigate before legislating... 653 00:44:17,292 --> 00:44:20,833 ...but the line between investigating and persecuting is a very fine one... 654 00:44:20,958 --> 00:44:24,792 ...and the junior Senator from Wisconsin has stepped over it repeatedly. 655 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,542 We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. 656 00:44:28,167 --> 00:44:31,208 We must remember always that accusation is not proof... 657 00:44:31,500 --> 00:44:35,250 ...and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. 658 00:44:36,208 --> 00:44:38,500 We will not walk in fear, one of another. 659 00:44:38,625 --> 00:44:41,458 We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason... 660 00:44:41,583 --> 00:44:44,250 ...if we dig deep in our history and doctrine... 661 00:44:44,458 --> 00:44:47,708 ...and remember that we are not descended from fearful men... 662 00:44:47,917 --> 00:44:51,417 ...not from men who feared to write, to associate, to speak... 663 00:44:51,542 --> 00:44:54,917 ...and to defend the causes that were for the moment unpopular. 664 00:44:55,500 --> 00:44:58,875 This is no time for men who oppose Senator McCarthy's methods... 665 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,542 ...to keep silent, or for those who approve. 666 00:45:02,250 --> 00:45:04,792 Wec an deny our heritage and our history... 667 00:45:04,875 --> 00:45:07,667 ...but we cannot escape responsibility for the results. 668 00:45:08,292 --> 00:45:10,542 We proclaim ourselves, indeed as we are... 669 00:45:10,625 --> 00:45:14,583 ...the defenders of freedom wherever it continues to exist in the world... 670 00:45:14,708 --> 00:45:18,167 ...but we cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home. 671 00:45:18,833 --> 00:45:21,125 The actions of the junior Senator from Wisconsin... 672 00:45:21,250 --> 00:45:24,208 ...have caused alarm and dismay amongst our allies abroad... 673 00:45:24,333 --> 00:45:26,833 ...and given considerable comfort to our enemies. 674 00:45:27,500 --> 00:45:30,375 And whose fault is that? Not really his. 675 00:45:30,875 --> 00:45:33,167 He didn't create this situation of fear... 676 00:45:33,458 --> 00:45:36,417 ...he merely exploited it, and rather successfully. 677 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:39,292 Cassius was right. 678 00:45:39,875 --> 00:45:44,208 "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves." 679 00:45:45,250 --> 00:45:47,292 Good night, and good luck. 680 00:45:55,042 --> 00:45:56,125 And we're out. 681 00:46:09,792 --> 00:46:10,792 Nothing? 682 00:46:14,042 --> 00:46:15,500 Maybe nobody watched. 683 00:46:20,625 --> 00:46:22,958 - We got nothing. - I don't know. - Nothing. 684 00:46:23,500 --> 00:46:26,042 Should I turn the phones back on, Mr. Williams? 685 00:46:27,583 --> 00:46:29,917 Yes. Now would be a good time for that. 686 00:46:30,708 --> 00:46:32,833 Turn the phones on! Turn the pho... 687 00:46:33,625 --> 00:46:35,208 Mr. Friendly wants the phones on. 688 00:46:35,333 --> 00:46:37,042 It's the Junior Senator calling collect. 689 00:46:37,167 --> 00:46:40,375 Don't kid yourself. It's Reed Harris thanking us for mentioning him. 690 00:46:40,500 --> 00:46:43,458 I don't know whether all of you have seen what I just saw... 691 00:46:43,583 --> 00:46:46,250 ...but I want to associate myself and this program... 692 00:46:46,375 --> 00:46:47,958 ...with what Ed Murrow has just said... 693 00:46:48,083 --> 00:46:50,792 ...and say I have never been prouder of CBS. 694 00:46:53,708 --> 00:46:57,750 Senator McCarthy said today that he would demand equal free television... 695 00:47:02,583 --> 00:47:06,458 Stevenson had charged that the Senator made demagoguery and deceit... 696 00:47:06,750 --> 00:47:08,500 ...the national policy... 697 00:47:11,208 --> 00:47:13,333 - Is that Hollenbeck? - Congratulations! 698 00:47:13,458 --> 00:47:14,458 Great show! 699 00:47:15,333 --> 00:47:16,583 Feel like a Scotch? 700 00:47:17,208 --> 00:47:19,250 I think everybody could use a Scotch. 701 00:48:10,917 --> 00:48:14,083 - It's 3:30, early editions are out. - I'm not worried about that. 702 00:48:14,208 --> 00:48:15,833 Of course not. Shirley, honey... 703 00:48:15,958 --> 00:48:18,875 ...would you go across the street and get the early editions? 704 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:20,917 - All of them? - Just get O'Brian! 705 00:48:23,583 --> 00:48:25,458 - Hey, watch my drink! - Yeah. 706 00:48:57,833 --> 00:48:59,625 Okay. Here we go. 707 00:49:00,250 --> 00:49:03,125 - At last! - The Times. - The Times... 708 00:49:03,292 --> 00:49:04,292 - First? - Good. 709 00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:06,792 - Who wrote it? - Jack Gould. 710 00:49:07,375 --> 00:49:08,667 Gould... 711 00:49:09,208 --> 00:49:12,667 Edward R. Murrows television program on Senator Joseph R. McCarthy... 712 00:49:12,792 --> 00:49:16,583 ...was an exciting and provocative examination of the man and his methods. 713 00:49:16,708 --> 00:49:20,208 It was crusading journalism of high responsibility and courage. 714 00:49:20,333 --> 00:49:23,042 For TV so often plagued by timidity and hesitation... 715 00:49:23,167 --> 00:49:26,917 ...the program was a milestone that reflected enlightened citizenship. 716 00:49:27,083 --> 00:49:28,292 The program... Hold on! 717 00:49:28,417 --> 00:49:31,167 The program was no less an indictment of those who wish... 718 00:49:31,292 --> 00:49:34,333 ...the problems posed by the Senator's tactics and theatrics... 719 00:49:34,458 --> 00:49:36,417 ...would just go away and leave them alone. 720 00:49:36,542 --> 00:49:39,458 That was Mr. Murrows and television's triumph... 721 00:49:39,583 --> 00:49:41,083 ...and a very great one. 722 00:49:44,500 --> 00:49:45,583 Here! Here! 723 00:49:45,792 --> 00:49:47,875 - He hated it. - Yeah. What's his beef? 724 00:49:48,542 --> 00:49:50,375 Send the New YorkTimes abottle of Scotch. 725 00:49:50,500 --> 00:49:52,500 I already did. How do you think we got that review? 726 00:49:52,625 --> 00:49:54,542 - How's the Post? - Pretty good! 727 00:49:55,292 --> 00:49:57,250 - What about O'Brian? - Uh, the same. 728 00:49:58,792 --> 00:50:01,792 - Goon, read O'Brian! - I don't have it. 729 00:50:01,917 --> 00:50:03,333 - Got it. - Oh. Here. 730 00:50:05,625 --> 00:50:07,458 - There we go. - Shirley, that... 731 00:50:11,125 --> 00:50:14,667 We can't say we were surprised at Murrows "Hate McCarthy" telecast... 732 00:50:14,792 --> 00:50:17,708 ...last evening, when his explosively one-sided propaganda... 733 00:50:17,833 --> 00:50:21,125 ...edited with deviously clever selectivity from McCarthy's march... 734 00:50:21,250 --> 00:50:23,625 ...against Communism, was finished last evening... 735 00:50:23,750 --> 00:50:27,125 ...by equally Machiavellian coincidence the following telecast... 736 00:50:27,250 --> 00:50:30,208 ...featured Murrow's PM protege, Hollenbeck. 737 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,333 In an obviously gloating mood, Hollenbeck... 738 00:50:33,458 --> 00:50:36,875 ...hoped viewers had witnessed his patron's triumph... 739 00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:38,292 ...from and for the Left. 740 00:50:39,500 --> 00:50:40,667 Soon. Soon... 741 00:50:40,792 --> 00:50:42,875 Shirley, it's okay. Go ahead, finish it. 742 00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,125 - No, that's it. That's it. - Shirley, please, finish it. 743 00:50:49,333 --> 00:50:53,958 The CBS has been in a lengthy "clean house of Lefties" mood. 744 00:50:54,083 --> 00:50:55,750 The worst offenders on lesser levels... 745 00:50:55,875 --> 00:50:58,042 ...have been quietly pushed out of the company. 746 00:50:58,167 --> 00:51:02,083 Don Hollenbeck, a graduate of the demised pinko publication PM... 747 00:51:02,208 --> 00:51:05,958 ...attacked conservative papers with sly and slanted propaganda. 748 00:51:06,083 --> 00:51:08,375 He then proceeded through an equally... 749 00:51:10,250 --> 00:51:12,000 ...tilted review of the day's events... 750 00:51:12,125 --> 00:51:15,458 ...with McCarthy dominating his words, actions, attitudes. 751 00:51:16,458 --> 00:51:17,417 Soon. 752 00:51:20,250 --> 00:51:23,125 - It's O'Brian. - He didn't get the Scotch, that's all. 753 00:51:23,625 --> 00:51:26,625 - Is it grammatically correct? - I'll have that cigarette, Ed. 754 00:51:28,208 --> 00:51:31,208 - Thanks, Shirley. - Oh. - Mmh. - Thank you. 755 00:51:31,417 --> 00:51:33,667 Joe... Shirley... 756 00:51:38,625 --> 00:51:39,875 It doesn't matter. 757 00:51:45,167 --> 00:51:46,250 To Jack Gould! 758 00:51:47,417 --> 00:51:50,250 - To Jack! To Jack! To Jack Gould! - To Jack Gould! 759 00:51:50,375 --> 00:51:51,333 I love Jack Gould! 760 00:51:53,333 --> 00:51:54,833 May he rest in peace. 761 00:51:57,083 --> 00:51:59,875 - Hello, Jimmy. - Fred, congratulations! - Thank you. 762 00:52:00,708 --> 00:52:03,042 I got such a hangover to go along with the ulcer. 763 00:52:03,167 --> 00:52:05,000 All the adguys on the 3rd floor watched the show. 764 00:52:05,125 --> 00:52:07,083 Got a good review in the New York Times. Jack Gould. 765 00:52:07,208 --> 00:52:08,542 We're putting out a press release... 766 00:52:08,667 --> 00:52:11,500 ...saying that calls came in 15 to 1 in favor of the show. - Really? 767 00:52:11,625 --> 00:52:13,958 - Yeah. - 15 to 1? - We got calls from everywhere. 768 00:52:14,292 --> 00:52:17,583 - East Coast or West Coast? - Yeah. Kansas City, Cincinnati... 769 00:52:18,625 --> 00:52:19,708 Mr. Paley... 770 00:52:20,833 --> 00:52:22,958 - Morning, Fred. - Morning, Mr. Paley. 771 00:52:28,042 --> 00:52:29,083 How's your wife? 772 00:52:29,583 --> 00:52:31,708 She's fine. We're getting ready to move. 773 00:52:31,833 --> 00:52:34,875 - Really? Where to? - Riverdale. We found a nice house there. 774 00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:35,958 It's nice there. 775 00:52:36,833 --> 00:52:37,875 Yes, sir. 776 00:52:44,958 --> 00:52:45,917 Excuse me. 777 00:52:46,167 --> 00:52:49,958 Fred! McCarthy wants William Buckey to do his rebuttal. 778 00:52:51,250 --> 00:52:52,292 I said no. 779 00:52:54,125 --> 00:52:55,125 Yes, sir. 780 00:53:01,542 --> 00:53:02,500 Hey, Johnny! 781 00:53:02,792 --> 00:53:05,000 - Radulovich has been reinstated. - What?! 782 00:53:05,125 --> 00:53:07,833 Radulovich... Guys! Radulovich has been reinstated. 783 00:53:07,958 --> 00:53:09,792 - Jesse! Jesse! - Where is Ed? 784 00:53:09,917 --> 00:53:12,417 - He's in the bullpen. Why? What's going on? - Jess! 785 00:53:12,542 --> 00:53:14,000 Got some very good news. 786 00:53:14,667 --> 00:53:17,708 Special announcement from the Secretary of the Air Force! 787 00:53:17,833 --> 00:53:19,833 Fellas! Listen up! Everyone! 788 00:53:20,708 --> 00:53:22,833 I have decided that it is consistent... 789 00:53:22,958 --> 00:53:25,667 ...with the interests of the National Security to retain... 790 00:53:25,792 --> 00:53:29,042 ...Lieutenant Radulovich in the United States Air Force. Stop. 791 00:53:29,250 --> 00:53:32,542 He is not, in my opinion, a security risk. Fullstop. 792 00:53:35,208 --> 00:53:38,792 There you go. Harold E. Talbott, Secretary from the Air Force. 793 00:53:39,500 --> 00:53:40,458 Great job! 794 00:53:40,583 --> 00:53:42,458 - Make a copy of that for me! - I will do, Fred! 795 00:53:42,583 --> 00:53:44,500 Back to work, guys! We got a lot of work to do. 796 00:53:44,625 --> 00:53:45,833 This means something. 797 00:53:45,958 --> 00:53:47,500 - Good news, huh? - Congratulations! 798 00:53:47,625 --> 00:53:51,625 - This absolutely means something. - Absolutely. This is the start of... 799 00:53:58,667 --> 00:53:59,625 Palmer! 800 00:54:02,750 --> 00:54:04,750 The CBS lawyers wanna talk to you. 801 00:54:08,375 --> 00:54:09,375 When? 802 00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:11,083 Tomorrow. 803 00:54:12,042 --> 00:54:15,375 I don't want you to get paranoid, they're talking to everybody. 804 00:54:15,500 --> 00:54:16,500 Any ideas? 805 00:54:18,125 --> 00:54:19,708 Just tell them what you know. 806 00:54:19,833 --> 00:54:22,500 - Now is that testimony true? - No, sir, it is not. 807 00:54:22,625 --> 00:54:25,792 Not at any time have I been a member of the Communist Party... 808 00:54:25,917 --> 00:54:28,208 ...and I have never seen a Communist card. 809 00:54:28,333 --> 00:54:30,625 - You've never seen a Communist card? - That's right. 810 00:54:30,750 --> 00:54:32,667 Have you ever attended any Communist meetings? 811 00:54:32,792 --> 00:54:34,375 No, sir, never. 812 00:54:34,500 --> 00:54:36,708 Have you ever subscribed to The Daily Worker? 813 00:54:36,833 --> 00:54:40,583 No, sir. I didn't subscribe to it and I wouldn't pay for it. 814 00:54:41,417 --> 00:54:46,583 Uh... Now, Mrs. Markward, who was working for the FBI... 815 00:54:47,333 --> 00:54:50,625 ...who joined the Communist Party under orders from the FBI... 816 00:54:50,792 --> 00:54:53,917 ...has testified that while she never met you personally... 817 00:54:54,167 --> 00:54:57,333 ...at a Communist meeting that your name was on the list... 818 00:54:57,458 --> 00:54:59,583 ...of Communists who were paying dues. 819 00:55:00,125 --> 00:55:02,833 Uh... Can you shed any light upon that? 820 00:55:03,750 --> 00:55:06,583 No, sir. I don't even know what the dues are... 821 00:55:06,792 --> 00:55:10,250 ...or where they were paid. - So you have never paid any money... 822 00:55:11,333 --> 00:55:13,125 ...to the Communist Party. 823 00:55:13,917 --> 00:55:15,583 - Is that correct? - That's right. 824 00:55:15,792 --> 00:55:17,875 You've never paid any dues, payment... 825 00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:19,625 Thank you very much, Leo! 826 00:55:20,583 --> 00:55:22,375 Good work, Joe, Charlie. 827 00:55:23,042 --> 00:55:24,333 Now what is the show? 828 00:55:24,458 --> 00:55:27,167 Is it defending Annie Lee Moss as not being a Communist? 829 00:55:27,292 --> 00:55:29,833 - Or is ither Constitutional rights? - Both. - The latter. 830 00:55:29,958 --> 00:55:32,375 We're much better sticking out the Constitutional issues. 831 00:55:32,500 --> 00:55:34,167 - Agreed? - The woman is not a Communist spy. 832 00:55:34,292 --> 00:55:36,875 Joe McCarthy said that they have a spy in the Pentagon... 833 00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:38,667 ...that spy has gotten into the code room... 834 00:55:38,792 --> 00:55:40,500 ...and that that spy is Annie Lee Moss. 835 00:55:40,625 --> 00:55:43,083 I've got New York Times reports. McCarthy asserts he has... 836 00:55:43,208 --> 00:55:46,000 ...a new red link to Army. Quote, "Senator McCarthy charged today..." 837 00:55:46,125 --> 00:55:48,625 "...that the Army now employs a woman in its code room..." 838 00:55:48,750 --> 00:55:51,292 "...who was, and still may be, an active Communist." 839 00:55:51,417 --> 00:55:52,875 It's the front page of the New York Times. 840 00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,625 No sooner is he done chastising the other committee members for wanting... 841 00:55:56,750 --> 00:55:59,667 ...to push into the afternoon, than what? Seven questions in... 842 00:55:59,792 --> 00:56:01,375 ...he ducks out, leaves... - Right. 843 00:56:01,500 --> 00:56:04,458 - Heleaves. - It's all over the headlines, all over the country. 844 00:56:04,583 --> 00:56:06,125 Get me copies from any newspaper... 845 00:56:06,250 --> 00:56:07,833 ...that printed anything about that assertion. 846 00:56:07,958 --> 00:56:11,250 That's a good idea. You should get the Cincinnati Inquirer. 847 00:56:11,375 --> 00:56:14,375 - Chicago. - Couple other pieces I think we should include. 848 00:56:14,500 --> 00:56:17,583 The fact that there's 3 Annie Lee Moss's in the phone book. 849 00:56:17,708 --> 00:56:20,708 There are 2 Robert Halls, one's colored, one's white. 850 00:56:20,833 --> 00:56:22,708 We have some footage of the empty chair. 851 00:56:22,833 --> 00:56:25,958 I think that says it all. Just that picture of McCarthy not... 852 00:56:26,083 --> 00:56:28,875 McCarthy leaving the hearing after 7 questions... 853 00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,125 ...and then we'll cut to the shot of thechair. 854 00:56:31,250 --> 00:56:33,917 - We gotta do something about it. - All right, so... 855 00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,833 Excuse me. Mr. Murrow! McCarthy wants April 6th. 856 00:56:41,667 --> 00:56:42,917 Thank you, Natalie. 857 00:56:47,583 --> 00:56:50,792 Fine. If Charlie shoots it, we get to see it first. We should offer. 858 00:56:50,917 --> 00:56:53,458 - It's a long shot. - What the hell could McCarthy do? 859 00:56:53,583 --> 00:56:56,042 Is he gonna debate himself? We just used his words! 860 00:56:59,417 --> 00:57:01,583 Johnny! Johnny! We know what it's going to be. 861 00:57:01,708 --> 00:57:04,667 He's going to come after me. There's nothing more he can do. 862 00:57:04,792 --> 00:57:07,250 He's gonna bet that a Senator trumps a newsman. 863 00:57:08,208 --> 00:57:09,208 He'll lose. 864 00:57:09,667 --> 00:57:11,250 Not if we're playing bridge. 865 00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,833 - I'm sorry, guys. I didn't mean to interrupt. - Hey, Don. 866 00:57:15,958 --> 00:57:18,083 - It's getting fun now! - Ed, you have aminute? 867 00:57:18,583 --> 00:57:22,167 - Yes, I'll be right there. - All right, boys. Playtime's over. 868 00:57:22,583 --> 00:57:23,917 We have 4 days... 869 00:57:24,208 --> 00:57:26,667 ...to do a 29 minute show. - Yeah. - All right. 870 00:57:26,792 --> 00:57:28,208 All right, go ahead. Hi, Mary. 871 00:57:28,333 --> 00:57:30,000 Hello, Mr. Hollenbeck. Mr. Murrow... 872 00:57:30,125 --> 00:57:31,917 - Could you give us a moment? - Sure. 873 00:57:33,833 --> 00:57:34,875 Thank you, dear. 874 00:57:36,667 --> 00:57:39,333 I have to ask you something, Ed. It's about O'Brian. 875 00:57:39,458 --> 00:57:41,333 - O'Brian doesn'tmatter. - He's killing me, Ed. 876 00:57:41,458 --> 00:57:43,208 He doesn't amount to that much in the newsroom. 877 00:57:43,333 --> 00:57:44,708 We've got to let that guy have it. 878 00:57:44,833 --> 00:57:48,083 We're not going after O'Brian. I will not take on McCarthy and Hearst. 879 00:57:48,208 --> 00:57:49,458 I can't defeat them both. 880 00:57:50,583 --> 00:57:53,833 Just don't read the papers. Or don't read O'Brian, anyway. 881 00:57:59,083 --> 00:58:01,333 Okay. I guess not. 882 00:58:02,667 --> 00:58:03,708 Sorry, Don. 883 00:58:17,833 --> 00:58:19,667 Although Mrs. Moss offered to testify... 884 00:58:19,792 --> 00:58:22,875 ...Senator McCarthy suggested that she was too sick. 885 00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:26,667 - She agreed... - Mr. Cohn wanted to know about Mrs. Moss's connection... 886 00:58:26,792 --> 00:58:30,417 ...to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth... 887 00:58:30,542 --> 00:58:31,667 ...so help you God? 888 00:58:35,500 --> 00:58:38,167 May we get your full name for the record, please? 889 00:58:38,542 --> 00:58:39,833 Annie Lee Moss. 890 00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:42,625 - M-O-S-S? - That's right. 891 00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,208 Mrs. Moss, let me say for the record, for your information... 892 00:58:46,333 --> 00:58:48,500 ...for the information of your counsel... 893 00:58:49,042 --> 00:58:50,958 ...that you are not here because... 894 00:58:52,333 --> 00:58:57,333 ...you are considered important in the Communist apparatus. 895 00:58:57,500 --> 00:59:00,958 We have the testimony that you are, and have been, a Communist. 896 00:59:02,208 --> 00:59:05,542 We are rather curious, however, to kno whow you suddenly... 897 00:59:06,875 --> 00:59:08,250 ...were shifted from... 898 00:59:10,208 --> 00:59:13,208 ...a worker in a cafeteria to the code room. 899 00:59:13,542 --> 00:59:16,792 I am today much more interested... 900 00:59:17,583 --> 00:59:21,250 ...in the handling of your case... 901 00:59:22,042 --> 00:59:25,208 ...by your superiors than in your own personal activities. 902 00:59:25,625 --> 00:59:29,750 However, counsel will question you about your own activities also. 903 00:59:30,125 --> 00:59:33,167 - Mr. Chairman! - We will not hear from counsel. 904 00:59:33,792 --> 00:59:35,750 You have been told what the rule is. 905 00:59:36,083 --> 00:59:39,083 If you have anything to say, say it through your client. 906 00:59:42,792 --> 00:59:46,500 Chairman. Did you begin work at the General Accounting Office in... 907 00:59:47,417 --> 00:59:49,583 ...1945? - Yes, sir. 908 00:59:50,500 --> 00:59:54,708 And, prior to that time, had you been a cafeteria worker? 909 00:59:54,833 --> 00:59:56,125 Yes, I had. 910 00:59:56,458 --> 01:00:00,750 I see. While in the Pentagon, since 1950... 911 01:00:01,125 --> 01:00:03,833 ...have you had any connections with coded messages? 912 01:00:03,958 --> 01:00:05,875 Have you ever handled coded messages? 913 01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,500 - No more than to transmit 'em. - Pardon me? 914 01:00:09,833 --> 01:00:12,000 No more than to transmit the message. 915 01:00:12,125 --> 01:00:14,458 Than to transmit them? Did you transmit codes? 916 01:00:14,583 --> 01:00:17,250 To receive or transmit messages was all I had to do. 917 01:00:17,375 --> 01:00:19,958 And I've never been into a courtroom in my life. 918 01:00:20,542 --> 01:00:21,792 Do you know the... 919 01:00:23,833 --> 01:00:25,458 ...type of classification... 920 01:00:25,583 --> 01:00:29,708 - Do you know if they were secret, top secret, confidential? - No, sir. 921 01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:33,333 - You wouldn't know the degree of classification? - No, sir. 922 01:00:33,792 --> 01:00:34,792 I see. 923 01:00:36,083 --> 01:00:39,167 I'm afraid I'm going to have to excuse myself, I've got... 924 01:00:40,375 --> 01:00:44,375 ...a rather important appointment to work on right now... 925 01:00:44,500 --> 01:00:48,708 ...and I wonder if, Senator Mundt, you would takeover as Chairman? 926 01:00:53,708 --> 01:00:55,208 - Chairman. Uh... - Cohn. 927 01:00:55,333 --> 01:00:58,333 I have no further questions of this witness at this time. 928 01:00:58,458 --> 01:01:02,542 We have the testimony of Mrs. Markward, the undercover agent for the FBI... 929 01:01:02,875 --> 01:01:06,375 ...stating that Annie Lee Moss was a member, a dues-paying member... 930 01:01:06,500 --> 01:01:08,208 ...of the Communist Party... 931 01:01:08,708 --> 01:01:10,958 ...the Northeast Club of the Communist Party. 932 01:01:11,083 --> 01:01:14,375 We have corroboration of that testimony by another... 933 01:01:15,417 --> 01:01:17,625 ...witness who was called before the Committee... 934 01:01:17,750 --> 01:01:19,542 ...and gave a sworn statement to the effect... 935 01:01:19,667 --> 01:01:22,333 ...that she also knew Mrs. Moss as a member... 936 01:01:22,417 --> 01:01:24,417 ...of the Northeast Club of the Communist Party. 937 01:01:24,542 --> 01:01:28,750 She's already lost her job. She's been suspended because of this action. 938 01:01:29,542 --> 01:01:33,042 I'm not defending her. If she's a Communist, I want her exposed. 939 01:01:33,417 --> 01:01:37,042 But to make these statements as we've got corroborating evidence... 940 01:01:37,542 --> 01:01:40,667 ...that she is a Communist, under these circumstances... 941 01:01:40,792 --> 01:01:44,375 ...I think she's entitled to have it produced here in her presence... 942 01:01:44,583 --> 01:01:47,833 ...and let the public know about it and let her know about it. 943 01:01:51,292 --> 01:01:54,542 I don't like to try people by hearsay evidence. 944 01:01:55,958 --> 01:01:58,667 I'd like to get the witnesses here and try them... 945 01:02:00,417 --> 01:02:02,083 ...by testimony, under oath. 946 01:02:02,417 --> 01:02:05,958 The Chair will rule that the comment of Mr. Cohn... 947 01:02:06,083 --> 01:02:07,667 ...be stricken from the record. 948 01:02:07,958 --> 01:02:10,458 I didnt ask that, Mr. Chairman! 949 01:02:10,583 --> 01:02:13,167 ...whether we should try to produce a witness in public... 950 01:02:13,292 --> 01:02:16,458 ...because the FBI may have her undercover and we don't want to... 951 01:02:16,583 --> 01:02:21,083 You can't strike these statements made by counsel here as to evidence... 952 01:02:21,208 --> 01:02:25,375 ...that we're having and withholding. You cannot strike that from the press... 953 01:02:25,500 --> 01:02:30,583 ...nor from the public mind once it's planted there. That's the... 954 01:02:32,542 --> 01:02:33,833 ...evil of it! 955 01:02:34,167 --> 01:02:37,333 - Well, I'd look at it... - I don't think it's fair to a witness... 956 01:02:37,458 --> 01:02:38,875 ...to a citizen of this country... 957 01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:41,042 ...to bring them up here and cross-examine them... 958 01:02:41,167 --> 01:02:42,542 ...then when they get through, say... 959 01:02:42,667 --> 01:02:45,583 ..."The FBI has got something on you that condemns you." 960 01:02:45,708 --> 01:02:48,375 - The Chair agrees... - It is not sworn testimony... 961 01:02:48,500 --> 01:02:52,083 ...it's convicting people by rumor and hearsay and innuendo. 962 01:02:53,792 --> 01:02:57,375 You will notice that neither Senator McClellan or Senator Symington... 963 01:02:57,500 --> 01:03:01,792 ...nor this reporter know or claim that Mrs. Moss was or is a Communist. 964 01:03:02,458 --> 01:03:06,917 They simply claimed that she had the right to meet her accusers face to face. 965 01:03:21,833 --> 01:03:25,875 One month ago tonight we presented a report on Senator Joseph R. McCarthy. 966 01:03:26,333 --> 01:03:28,083 We labeled it as controversial. 967 01:03:28,667 --> 01:03:32,292 Most of that report consisted of words and pictures of the Senator. 968 01:03:32,917 --> 01:03:34,417 At that time, we said... 969 01:03:34,625 --> 01:03:38,500 ..."If theSenator believes we havedone violence to his words or pictures..." 970 01:03:38,625 --> 01:03:41,167 "...if he desires to speak, to answer himself..." 971 01:03:41,292 --> 01:03:44,375 "...an opportunity would be afforded him on this program." 972 01:03:44,708 --> 01:03:48,375 The Senator sought the opportunity after 3 weeks... 973 01:03:48,500 --> 01:03:52,542 ...because he was very busy and wished adequate time to prepare his reply. 974 01:03:53,125 --> 01:03:54,125 We agreed. 975 01:03:54,667 --> 01:03:58,792 We placed no restrictions on the manner of the presentation of his reply... 976 01:03:58,958 --> 01:04:02,000 ...and we suggested that we would not take time to comment... 977 01:04:02,125 --> 01:04:03,833 ...on this particular program. 978 01:04:04,417 --> 01:04:08,333 Here now is Senator Joseph R. McCarthy, junior Senator from Wisconsin. 979 01:04:09,792 --> 01:04:16,083 Good evening. Mr. Edward R. Murrow, Educational Director of the CBS... 980 01:04:17,125 --> 01:04:19,417 ...devoted his program to an attack... 981 01:04:19,542 --> 01:04:22,708 ...on the work ofthe US Senate Investigating Committee... 982 01:04:23,167 --> 01:04:25,333 ...and on me personally as its Chairman. 983 01:04:26,208 --> 01:04:29,792 Now, over the past 4 years, he has made repeated attacks upon me... 984 01:04:30,292 --> 01:04:32,042 ...and those fighting Communists. 985 01:04:33,500 --> 01:04:36,667 Of course, neither Joe McCarthy nor Edward R. Murrow... 986 01:04:37,375 --> 01:04:40,250 ...is of any great importance as individuals. 987 01:04:41,375 --> 01:04:42,833 We are only important... 988 01:04:43,208 --> 01:04:47,208 ...in our relation to the great struggle to preserve our American liberties. 989 01:04:47,708 --> 01:04:52,375 Now ordinarily, I wouldnt take time out from the important work at hand... 990 01:04:53,167 --> 01:04:54,375 ...to answer Murrow. 991 01:04:54,917 --> 01:04:56,417 However, in this case... 992 01:04:56,542 --> 01:05:00,292 ...I feel justified in doing so because Murrow is the symbol... 993 01:05:01,083 --> 01:05:02,125 ...the leader... 994 01:05:02,458 --> 01:05:07,542 ...and the cleverest of the jackal pack which is always found at the throat... 995 01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:12,000 ...of anyone who dares to expose individual Communists and traitors. 996 01:05:13,208 --> 01:05:15,125 And I am compelled by the fact... 997 01:05:15,583 --> 01:05:18,042 ...to say to you that Mr. Edward R. Murrow... 998 01:05:18,667 --> 01:05:21,167 ...as far back as 20 years ago... 999 01:05:21,875 --> 01:05:25,250 ...was engaged in propaganda for Communist causes. 1000 01:05:26,500 --> 01:05:29,500 For example, the Institute of International Education... 1001 01:05:29,750 --> 01:05:31,958 ...of which he was the Acting Director... 1002 01:05:32,583 --> 01:05:35,500 ...was chosen to act as a representative... 1003 01:05:35,917 --> 01:05:37,542 ...by a Soviet agency... 1004 01:05:38,708 --> 01:05:44,083 ...to do a job which would normally be done by the Russian secret police. 1005 01:05:45,042 --> 01:05:48,667 Mr. Murrow, by his own admission, was a member of the IWW... 1006 01:05:48,792 --> 01:05:51,292 ...that's the Industrial Workers of the World... 1007 01:05:51,417 --> 01:05:54,167 ...a terrorist organization cited as subversive... 1008 01:05:54,792 --> 01:05:57,250 ...by an Attorney General of the United States. 1009 01:05:57,458 --> 01:06:00,750 Mr. Murrow said on this program and I quote... 1010 01:06:01,583 --> 01:06:05,250 ..."The actions of the junior Senator from Wisconsin..." 1011 01:06:06,625 --> 01:06:10,625 "...have given considerable comfort to the enemy." 1012 01:06:11,292 --> 01:06:15,167 That is the language of our statute of treason, rather strong language. 1013 01:06:15,958 --> 01:06:21,292 If I am giving comfort to our enemies, I ought not to be in the Senate. 1014 01:06:21,625 --> 01:06:23,500 If, on the other hand, Mr. Murrow... 1015 01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:26,042 ...is giving comfort to our enemies... 1016 01:06:26,333 --> 01:06:28,750 ...he ought not to be brought into the homes... 1017 01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:32,542 ...of millions of Americans by the CBS. 1018 01:06:32,708 --> 01:06:34,125 And I want to assure you... 1019 01:06:35,292 --> 01:06:38,250 ...that I will not be deterred... 1020 01:06:39,042 --> 01:06:44,833 ...by the attacks of the Murrows, the Lattimores, the Fosters... 1021 01:06:45,667 --> 01:06:49,583 ...The Daily Worker or the Communist Party itself. 1022 01:06:51,792 --> 01:06:54,875 And I make no claim to leadership. 1023 01:06:57,208 --> 01:06:58,750 Incomplete humility... 1024 01:07:00,625 --> 01:07:04,708 ...I do ask you and every American who loves this country... 1025 01:07:05,458 --> 01:07:07,042 ...to join with me. 1026 01:07:35,125 --> 01:07:37,167 [Everyone talks about the weather.] 1027 01:07:38,042 --> 01:07:40,833 [Wherever you look on America's modern farms...] 1028 01:07:41,167 --> 01:07:45,583 [... aluminum is on the job, helping the farmer do something about the weather.] 1029 01:07:46,500 --> 01:07:49,708 [Aluminum for the farm is one more example of how Alcoa...] 1030 01:07:49,833 --> 01:07:51,167 [... since 1999...] 1031 01:07:51,542 --> 01:07:55,333 [... has continued to pioneer new uses for this vital metal.] 1032 01:07:55,958 --> 01:08:00,042 [New uses of aluminum that mean better farms and better farming.] 1033 01:08:00,708 --> 01:08:04,333 The aluminum from the nation's first and leading producer...] 1034 01:08:04,958 --> 01:08:08,375 [... Alcoa, Aluminum Company of America.] 1035 01:08:08,917 --> 01:08:11,375 Last week, Senator McCarthy appeared on this program... 1036 01:08:11,500 --> 01:08:13,958 ...to correct any errors he might have thought we made... 1037 01:08:14,083 --> 01:08:15,625 ...in our report of March 9th. 1038 01:08:15,750 --> 01:08:19,125 Since he made no reference to any statements of fact that we made... 1039 01:08:19,250 --> 01:08:21,958 ...we must conclude that he found no errors of fact. 1040 01:08:22,917 --> 01:08:25,375 He proved again that anyone who exposes him... 1041 01:08:25,500 --> 01:08:30,083 ...anyone who doesn't share his disregard for decency and human dignity... 1042 01:08:30,250 --> 01:08:32,708 ...and the rights guaranteed by the Constitution... 1043 01:08:32,833 --> 01:08:35,500 ...must be either a Communist or a fellow traveler. 1044 01:08:36,125 --> 01:08:37,875 I fully expected this treatment. 1045 01:08:38,708 --> 01:08:42,125 The Senator added this reporter's name to a long list of individuals... 1046 01:08:42,250 --> 01:08:45,708 ...and institutions he has accused of serving the Communist cause. 1047 01:08:46,125 --> 01:08:47,833 His proposition is very simple: 1048 01:08:48,208 --> 01:08:51,667 ...anyone who criticizes or opposes Senator McCarthy's methods... 1049 01:08:51,917 --> 01:08:53,292 ...must be a Communist. 1050 01:08:54,042 --> 01:08:57,750 And if that be true, there are an awful lot of Communists in the USA. 1051 01:08:58,458 --> 01:09:02,042 For the record, let's consider briefly some of the Senator's charges. 1052 01:09:02,167 --> 01:09:04,208 He claimed, but offered no proof... 1053 01:09:04,333 --> 01:09:07,625 ...that I had been a member of the Industrial Workers of the World. 1054 01:09:07,750 --> 01:09:08,875 That is false. 1055 01:09:09,542 --> 01:09:13,250 I was never a member ofthe IWW, never applied for membership. 1056 01:09:14,417 --> 01:09:16,958 The Senator charged that Professor Harold Laski... 1057 01:09:17,083 --> 01:09:20,083 ...a British scholar and politician, dedicated a book to me. 1058 01:09:20,208 --> 01:09:21,250 That's true. 1059 01:09:21,583 --> 01:09:25,000 He is dead. He was a socialist, I am not. 1060 01:09:26,083 --> 01:09:27,750 He was a civilized individual... 1061 01:09:27,875 --> 01:09:31,083 ...who did not insist upon agreement with his political principles... 1062 01:09:31,208 --> 01:09:34,000 ...as a pre-condition for conversation or friendship. 1063 01:09:34,458 --> 01:09:36,667 I do not agree with his political ideas. 1064 01:09:37,625 --> 01:09:40,083 I ask, as he makes clear in the introduction... 1065 01:09:40,208 --> 01:09:43,625 ...dedicated the book to me, not because of political agreement... 1066 01:09:43,750 --> 01:09:47,542 ...but because he held my wartime broadcast from London in high regard. 1067 01:09:48,083 --> 01:09:49,750 And the dedication so reads. 1068 01:09:51,375 --> 01:09:53,792 I believed 20 years ago and I believe today... 1069 01:09:54,292 --> 01:09:57,875 ...that mature Americans can engage in conversation and controversy... 1070 01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:01,208 ...the clash of ideas, with Communists anywhere in the world... 1071 01:10:01,333 --> 01:10:03,833 ...without becoming contaminated or converted. 1072 01:10:04,667 --> 01:10:07,208 I believe that our faith, our conviction... 1073 01:10:07,625 --> 01:10:10,083 ...our determination are stronger than theirs... 1074 01:10:10,417 --> 01:10:14,792 ...and that we can successfully compete, not only in the area of bombs... 1075 01:10:15,292 --> 01:10:17,083 ...but in the area of ideas. 1076 01:10:19,375 --> 01:10:22,042 I have worked with CBS for more than 19 years. 1077 01:10:22,417 --> 01:10:26,125 The company has subscribed fully to my integrity and responsibility... 1078 01:10:26,250 --> 01:10:28,625 ...as a broadcaster and as a loyal American. 1079 01:10:29,500 --> 01:10:32,917 I require no lectures from the junior Senator from Wisconsin... 1080 01:10:33,042 --> 01:10:35,625 ...as to the dangers or terrors of Communism. 1081 01:10:36,792 --> 01:10:39,125 Having searched my conscience and my files... 1082 01:10:39,250 --> 01:10:42,250 ...I cannot contend that I have always been right or wise... 1083 01:10:42,375 --> 01:10:45,458 ...but I have attempted to pursue thet ruth with diligence... 1084 01:10:45,583 --> 01:10:46,667 ...and to report it... 1085 01:10:46,792 --> 01:10:49,833 ...even though, as in this case, I had been warned in advance... 1086 01:10:49,958 --> 01:10:53,458 ...that I would be subjected to the attentions of Senator McCarthy. 1087 01:10:54,458 --> 01:10:58,542 We shall hope to deal with matters of more vital interest next week. 1088 01:10:59,417 --> 01:11:01,042 Good night, and good luck. 1089 01:11:08,792 --> 01:11:12,542 In the last analysis, the Senator was perched on the television high dive... 1090 01:11:12,667 --> 01:11:14,917 ...and all prepared to make a resounding splash. 1091 01:11:15,042 --> 01:11:17,708 He jumped beautifully, but he neglected to check first... 1092 01:11:17,833 --> 01:11:20,583 ...where he was going to land. It must have been a shock... 1093 01:11:20,667 --> 01:11:24,167 ...to discover that Mr. Murrow had drained the water out of the pool. 1094 01:11:25,083 --> 01:11:27,625 - Is that the Times? Gould? - Yeah, it's Jack Gould. 1095 01:11:27,750 --> 01:11:29,792 - He's a hell of a writer. - Yes, he is. 1096 01:11:30,458 --> 01:11:33,083 - If we can afford him! - Stanton's got a public opinion... 1097 01:11:33,167 --> 01:11:34,750 Senate's investigating McCarthy. 1098 01:11:35,875 --> 01:11:36,875 What? 1099 01:11:37,042 --> 01:11:40,625 The Army's charging that McCarthy and Cohn exercised undue pressure... 1100 01:11:40,750 --> 01:11:44,083 ...to get preferential treatment for Schine. - Who's the source? 1101 01:11:44,208 --> 01:11:48,208 - Got a second source? - There isn't, but this is coming out in 2 hours. 1102 01:11:48,333 --> 01:11:51,625 - Who's heading up the investigation? - It's not gonna be McCarthy! 1103 01:11:51,750 --> 01:11:53,500 - Really? - What happened? 1104 01:11:53,708 --> 01:11:56,542 - Also get me the Washington Post! - What's going on? 1105 01:11:56,667 --> 01:11:58,125 It's Williams for Jack Thompson. 1106 01:11:58,250 --> 01:12:00,000 The Senate's investigating McCarthy. 1107 01:12:00,875 --> 01:12:02,958 There is an added bit of comedy to this whole story. 1108 01:12:03,083 --> 01:12:05,042 The Committee cannot convene for several days... 1109 01:12:05,167 --> 01:12:07,875 ...because Senator McCarthy has a slight case of laryngitis. 1110 01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:11,833 And he must recover over the desert air of Arizona. 1111 01:12:15,167 --> 01:12:18,667 - But Stevens is going after him and it looks like Joe Welch. - Yeah. 1112 01:12:18,792 --> 01:12:21,167 They're gonna allow each side to call witnesses... 1113 01:12:21,292 --> 01:12:23,083 ...and be privy to other testimony. 1114 01:12:23,417 --> 01:12:27,250 - Fred, we still have a meeting! - We're gonna go to talk toThompson. 1115 01:12:29,833 --> 01:12:31,292 No, thanks, Jack. Bye. 1116 01:12:32,208 --> 01:12:35,125 Freddy, we're a hit. Right up there with "Howdy Dowdy"! 1117 01:12:36,458 --> 01:12:38,417 Can I have an outlet satellite, please? 1118 01:12:40,292 --> 01:12:46,875 - 74, 76,47. Thank you. - Murrayville3, 1-2-7-6. 1119 01:13:06,875 --> 01:13:10,000 The fact of newscaster Don Hollenbeck's suicide yesterday... 1120 01:13:10,125 --> 01:13:14,042 ...does not remove from the record that peculiar history... 1121 01:13:14,792 --> 01:13:19,792 ...of the leftist slanting of news indulged consistently by the CBS. 1122 01:13:21,208 --> 01:13:24,417 Hollenbeck was what most astute students of CBS's strange... 1123 01:13:24,792 --> 01:13:27,083 ...and questionable new methods considered... 1124 01:13:27,208 --> 01:13:32,750 ..."typical of its newscasters". By Jack O'Brian. 1125 01:15:06,917 --> 01:15:08,917 Oh, yeah. I like it like that. 1126 01:15:11,208 --> 01:15:15,083 One of the best programs I ever heard was called "CBS Views The Press". 1127 01:15:15,833 --> 01:15:18,250 A great many people liked it, some didn't... 1128 01:15:18,667 --> 01:15:21,250 ...but noone ever called it anything but honest. 1129 01:15:21,708 --> 01:15:25,458 It was the work of an honest reporter. Don Hollenbeck. 1130 01:15:26,417 --> 01:15:28,792 He also worked occasionally on "See It Now'. 1131 01:15:29,500 --> 01:15:32,333 He did the 11 p.m. News over some of these stations. 1132 01:15:33,083 --> 01:15:35,750 He had been sick lately and he died this morning. 1133 01:15:36,375 --> 01:15:38,917 The police said it was suicide... gas. 1134 01:15:40,667 --> 01:15:41,917 Not much of an obit. 1135 01:15:42,417 --> 01:15:45,542 But, at least we got our facts straight, and it was brief. 1136 01:15:46,625 --> 01:15:49,125 And that's all Don Hollenbeck would have asked. 1137 01:15:50,125 --> 01:15:51,875 Good night, and good luck. 1138 01:15:57,542 --> 01:15:59,625 Got to be in Philadelphia this morning. 1139 01:16:00,750 --> 01:16:02,208 What time is your train? 1140 01:16:03,333 --> 01:16:04,292 9:00. 1141 01:16:05,917 --> 01:16:08,458 - Charlie going with you? - Uh-huh. 1142 01:16:17,458 --> 01:16:18,667 Here's a thought. 1143 01:16:20,542 --> 01:16:21,875 What if we're wrong? 1144 01:16:24,583 --> 01:16:25,792 We're not wrong. 1145 01:16:27,542 --> 01:16:29,208 We're not going to look back... 1146 01:16:31,292 --> 01:16:33,375 ...and say we protected the wrong side? 1147 01:16:35,833 --> 01:16:41,167 Protected them from what? In the name of what? What would we be preserving? 1148 01:16:42,292 --> 01:16:45,667 Argument could bemade, 'for the greater good". 1149 01:16:47,958 --> 01:16:50,625 Not once you give it all away. It's no good then. 1150 01:16:52,375 --> 01:16:53,708 It's just a thought. 1151 01:17:00,458 --> 01:17:05,167 Senator, may we not drop this? We know he belonged to the Lawyer's Guild. 1152 01:17:05,292 --> 01:17:07,833 And Mr. Cohn nods his head at me. 1153 01:17:08,083 --> 01:17:11,875 - I did you, I think, no personal injury, Mr. Cohn. - No, sir. 1154 01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:14,583 - I meant to do you no personal injury. - No. 1155 01:17:14,750 --> 01:17:17,833 And if I did, I beg your pardon. 1156 01:17:18,292 --> 01:17:23,708 Let us not assassinate this lad further, Senator. You've done enough. 1157 01:17:24,083 --> 01:17:27,583 - Let's... let's... - Have you no sense of decency, sir? 1158 01:17:27,833 --> 01:17:32,917 At long last, have you left no sense of decency? 1159 01:17:33,333 --> 01:17:37,292 - I know this hurts you, Mr. Welch. - Senator, I think it hurts you, too. 1160 01:17:37,458 --> 01:17:40,917 - I'd like to finish this. - Have you some private reservation... 1161 01:17:41,042 --> 01:17:44,792 ...when you take the oath that you will tell the whole truth... 1162 01:17:45,208 --> 01:17:48,333 ...that lets you be the judge of what you will testify to? 1163 01:17:48,542 --> 01:17:52,125 The answer is there's no reservation about telling the whole truth. 1164 01:17:52,292 --> 01:17:57,667 Thank you, sir. Then tell us who delivered the documents to you! 1165 01:17:57,750 --> 01:18:00,750 I don't want to mean that this new fashion is not chic. 1166 01:18:00,875 --> 01:18:04,583 - I think it's just no good for me. - Uh, not for you. 1167 01:18:04,917 --> 01:18:07,583 Milko, anything you care to say on that subject? 1168 01:18:07,708 --> 01:18:09,042 I think no comment. 1169 01:18:12,708 --> 01:18:16,042 It's got to be there. If you can't find it, I cant write about it. 1170 01:18:16,167 --> 01:18:18,542 - Check again. - Charlie said he dropped it off. 1171 01:18:18,667 --> 01:18:21,792 - Charlie said he dropped... - Shirley, can I see you a minute? 1172 01:18:22,042 --> 01:18:23,625 - I got to call you back. - Joe! 1173 01:18:23,792 --> 01:18:24,750 You, too. 1174 01:18:35,042 --> 01:18:36,125 Close the door. 1175 01:18:39,417 --> 01:18:40,458 Have a seat. 1176 01:18:44,125 --> 01:18:47,208 - How are you? - Fine, thank you. - Swell. Yeah. 1177 01:18:47,917 --> 01:18:50,958 Uh, you both are aware that there's a policy at CBS... 1178 01:18:51,083 --> 01:18:53,167 ...that no two employees can be married. 1179 01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:59,375 I want to ask you a question, but I don't want you to answer it. 1180 01:18:59,500 --> 01:19:01,208 I want you to consider it. 1181 01:19:02,417 --> 01:19:04,042 I know you two are married. 1182 01:19:06,167 --> 01:19:07,250 Everyone knows. 1183 01:19:08,458 --> 01:19:09,708 That's not my question. 1184 01:19:10,125 --> 01:19:13,167 In the next few weeks I have to lay off a couple of people. 1185 01:19:13,292 --> 01:19:16,083 We're making some significant cuts across the board. 1186 01:19:17,417 --> 01:19:19,000 I wanted you to know that... 1187 01:19:19,250 --> 01:19:22,167 ...because you could save someone else being fired. 1188 01:19:24,375 --> 01:19:28,208 I'm asking you to consider makng this decision a little easier. 1189 01:19:30,583 --> 01:19:32,208 I don't need an answer now. 1190 01:19:33,792 --> 01:19:35,792 Just think about it. 1191 01:19:37,458 --> 01:19:38,458 Good. 1192 01:19:50,417 --> 01:19:51,625 - Well, Joe... - Well? 1193 01:19:52,042 --> 01:19:55,250 - Sure we'regonna miss you around here. - I'll pack my things. 1194 01:19:58,542 --> 01:20:01,208 - I think it's for the best. - We'll find out! 1195 01:20:03,875 --> 01:20:05,125 Mrs. Wershba... 1196 01:20:08,042 --> 01:20:09,167 Everybody knew. 1197 01:20:18,250 --> 01:20:20,167 Natalie, did he say what it was about? 1198 01:20:20,250 --> 01:20:23,125 No. Just that he wanted to talk to you in his office. 1199 01:20:38,875 --> 01:20:39,958 Uh-oh! 1200 01:20:43,417 --> 01:20:46,833 The problem isn't simply that you've lost your sponsor. 1201 01:20:47,208 --> 01:20:49,542 With Alcoa, "See It Now" still loses money. 1202 01:20:49,667 --> 01:20:51,000 The fee is 50,000 dollars. 1203 01:20:51,125 --> 01:20:53,667 Last week's episode we did for less than 50,000 dollars. 1204 01:20:53,792 --> 01:20:55,667 Fred, you're speakng beyond your competence. 1205 01:20:55,792 --> 01:20:58,167 We'll certainly find another sponsor. 1206 01:20:58,292 --> 01:21:01,958 "64,000 Dollar Question" brings in over 90,000 in sponsors... 1207 01:21:02,083 --> 01:21:04,250 ...and it costs one-third of what youdo. 1208 01:21:04,375 --> 01:21:07,333 Ed, I've got Tuesday night programming that's number one. 1209 01:21:07,458 --> 01:21:10,875 People want to enjoy themselves. They don't want a civics lesson. 1210 01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:13,875 - What do you want, Bill? - I don't want to get a stomachache... 1211 01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:16,458 ...every time you take on a controversial subject. 1212 01:21:18,208 --> 01:21:21,250 I'm afraid that's the price you have to be willing to pay. 1213 01:21:22,667 --> 01:21:25,625 Let's walk very carefully through these next few moments. 1214 01:21:25,750 --> 01:21:28,125 The content of what we're doing is more important... 1215 01:21:28,250 --> 01:21:31,583 ...than what some guy in Cincinnati... - It's what you'redoing, Ed. Not me. 1216 01:21:31,708 --> 01:21:32,792 Not Frank Stanton. You. 1217 01:21:33,167 --> 01:21:37,167 "CBS News", "See It Now" all belong to you, Bill. 1218 01:21:37,250 --> 01:21:38,375 You wouldn't know it. 1219 01:21:40,167 --> 01:21:44,917 - What is it you want? Credit? - I never censored a single program. 1220 01:21:45,917 --> 01:21:50,292 I hold on to affiliates who wanted entertainment from us. 1221 01:21:50,708 --> 01:21:52,458 I fight to keep the license... 1222 01:21:52,583 --> 01:21:55,917 ...with the very same politicians that you are bringing down... 1223 01:21:56,000 --> 01:22:01,042 ...and I never, never said no to you. Never. 1224 01:22:02,458 --> 01:22:05,542 I would argue that we have done very well by one another. 1225 01:22:06,708 --> 01:22:08,583 I would argue that this network... 1226 01:22:09,875 --> 01:22:12,875 ...is defined by what the news department has accomplished. 1227 01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:17,000 And I would also argue that never saying no is not the same as not censoring. 1228 01:22:17,125 --> 01:22:20,250 Really? You should teach journalism. You and Mr. Friendly. 1229 01:22:26,667 --> 01:22:27,958 Let me ask you this: 1230 01:22:29,708 --> 01:22:31,458 ...why didn't you correct McCarthy... 1231 01:22:31,583 --> 01:22:34,583 ...when he said that Alger Hiss was convicted of treason? 1232 01:22:34,833 --> 01:22:38,458 He was only convicted of perjury. You corrected everything else. 1233 01:22:39,167 --> 01:22:42,333 Did you not want the appearance of defending a known Communist? 1234 01:22:42,458 --> 01:22:45,250 I would argue that everyone censors, including you. 1235 01:22:49,292 --> 01:22:50,958 What do you want to do, Bill? 1236 01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:57,917 I'm takng your program from a half an hour to an hour. 1237 01:22:58,042 --> 01:23:01,500 And it wont be a weekly program and it won't be Tuesday nights. 1238 01:23:02,167 --> 01:23:04,500 - When would it be? - Sunday afternoons. 1239 01:23:08,042 --> 01:23:10,292 - How many episodes? - 5. 1240 01:23:13,042 --> 01:23:14,958 Why don't you just fire me, Bill? 1241 01:23:15,125 --> 01:23:17,458 I don't think it's what either of us wants. 1242 01:23:21,958 --> 01:23:23,292 You owe me 5 shows. 1243 01:23:33,333 --> 01:23:35,917 - You won't like the subject matter. - Probably not. 1244 01:23:36,083 --> 01:23:38,250 Fred, I'll need you for a moment. 1245 01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:55,292 - Thank you, Mary. - Goodbye, Mr. Friendly. 1246 01:24:01,542 --> 01:24:04,833 - He wants me to lay a few people off. - I'm sure he does. 1247 01:24:05,042 --> 01:24:08,042 Let's do our first show about the downfall of television. 1248 01:24:11,208 --> 01:24:14,583 - Senate's gonna vote to censure McCarthy tomorrow. - Probably. 1249 01:24:14,708 --> 01:24:17,875 - And then what happens? - He sits in the back row. - Right. 1250 01:24:18,250 --> 01:24:22,417 - They keep him in the Senate. They don't kick him out. - No, he stays. 1251 01:24:33,083 --> 01:24:35,250 Well, we might as well go down swinging. 1252 01:24:39,292 --> 01:24:42,167 Did you know the most trusted man in America is Milton Berle? 1253 01:24:42,292 --> 01:24:44,208 See, you should have worn a dress! 1254 01:24:45,958 --> 01:24:48,542 - Howd does a Scotch sound? - Scotch sounds good. 1255 01:24:49,625 --> 01:24:52,125 - Did you know Joe and Shirley were married? - Sure. 1256 01:24:52,250 --> 01:24:54,250 - Did everyone know? - Pretty much. 1257 01:24:54,375 --> 01:24:57,125 We are proud because from the beginning of this nation... 1258 01:24:57,625 --> 01:24:59,042 ...man can walk upright. 1259 01:25:01,792 --> 01:25:04,000 No matter who he is or who she is. 1260 01:25:04,917 --> 01:25:08,833 He can walk upright and meet his friend or his enemy. 1261 01:25:09,708 --> 01:25:12,750 And he does not fear that because that enemy... 1262 01:25:13,750 --> 01:25:15,875 ...may be in a position of great power... 1263 01:25:16,875 --> 01:25:21,625 ...that he can be suddenly thrown in jail... 1264 01:25:23,208 --> 01:25:26,667 ...to rott here without charges and with no recourse to justice. 1265 01:25:28,750 --> 01:25:31,792 We have the Habeas Corpus Act and we respect it. 1266 01:25:32,625 --> 01:25:35,833 I began by saying that our history will be what we makeit. 1267 01:25:36,625 --> 01:25:38,125 If we go on as we are... 1268 01:25:38,458 --> 01:25:42,000 ...then history will take its revenge, and retribution will not limp... 1269 01:25:42,083 --> 01:25:43,500 ...in catching up with us. 1270 01:25:45,042 --> 01:25:49,000 Just once in a while, let us exalt the importance of ideas and information. 1271 01:25:50,375 --> 01:25:53,833 Let us dream to the extent of saying that on a given Sunday night... 1272 01:25:53,958 --> 01:25:56,167 ...the time normally occupied by Ed Sullivan... 1273 01:25:56,292 --> 01:26:00,042 ...is given over to a clinical survey on the state of American education. 1274 01:26:00,167 --> 01:26:03,542 And a week or two later, the time normally used by Steve Allen... 1275 01:26:03,667 --> 01:26:07,917 ...is devoted to a thorough-going study of American policy in the Middle East. 1276 01:26:08,917 --> 01:26:12,417 Would the corporate image of their respective sponsors be damaged? 1277 01:26:12,750 --> 01:26:15,917 Would the shareholders rise up in their wrath and complain? 1278 01:26:16,750 --> 01:26:17,708 Would anything happen... 1279 01:26:17,833 --> 01:26:21,583 ...other than a few million people would have received a little illumination... 1280 01:26:21,667 --> 01:26:24,917 ...on subjects that may well determine the future of this country... 1281 01:26:25,042 --> 01:26:27,500 ...and therefore the future of the corporations? 1282 01:26:28,292 --> 01:26:31,667 To those who say, "People wouldn't look, they wouldn't be interested..." 1283 01:26:31,792 --> 01:26:34,750 "...they're tooc omplacent, indifferent and insulated"... 1284 01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:38,833 ...I can only reply: There is, in one reporter's opinion... 1285 01:26:39,292 --> 01:26:41,917 ...considerable evidence against that contention. 1286 01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:45,958 But even if they are right, what have they got to lose? 1287 01:26:46,250 --> 01:26:47,792 Because if they are right... 1288 01:26:47,917 --> 01:26:49,917 ...and this instrument is good for nothing... 1289 01:26:50,042 --> 01:26:52,542 ...but to entertain, amuse and insulate... 1290 01:26:53,292 --> 01:26:55,125 ...then the tube is flickering now... 1291 01:26:55,250 --> 01:26:58,292 ...and we will soon see that the whole struggle is lost. 1292 01:26:59,292 --> 01:27:00,792 This instrument can teach. 1293 01:27:01,208 --> 01:27:03,708 It can illuminate and it can even inspire. 1294 01:27:04,375 --> 01:27:08,458 But it can do so only to the extent that humans are determined to use it... 1295 01:27:08,542 --> 01:27:09,958 ...towards those ends. 1296 01:27:11,417 --> 01:27:13,958 Otherwise, it is merely wiresand lights... 1297 01:27:14,708 --> 01:27:15,833 ...in a box. 1298 01:27:18,917 --> 01:27:21,375 Good night, and good luck.