0:02:34.542,0:02:38.375 In 1935, Ed Murrow[br]began his career with CBS. 0:02:39.208,0:02:40.833 When World War Two broke out... 0:02:40.958,0:02:43.708 ...his voice brought[br]the battle of Britain home to us... 0:02:43.833,0:02:46.250 ...through his "This Is London"[br]radio series. 0:02:47.208,0:02:48.708 He started with us all... 0:02:48.875,0:02:52.250 ...many of us here tonight,[br]when television was in its infancy... 0:02:52.375,0:02:54.792 ...with the news documentary show,[br]"See It Now'. 0:02:55.000,0:02:56.708 He threw stones at giants. 0:02:57.833,0:03:01.042 Segregation, exploitation[br]of migrant workers... 0:03:01.292,0:03:03.333 ...apartheid, J. Edgar Hoover... 0:03:04.250,0:03:08.333 ...not the least of which, his historical[br]fight with Senator McCarthy. 0:03:09.500,0:03:13.083 He is the host of our enormously[br]popular show "Person to Person"... 0:03:13.833,0:03:16.583 ...and tonight he is here[br]with his son, Casey... 0:03:17.083,0:03:20.375 ...wife, Janet, and all of you[br]who he's worked with... 0:03:20.750,0:03:23.792 ...inspired, lectured, and taught. 0:03:24.958,0:03:26.250 Ladies and gentlemen... 0:03:26.375,0:03:30.500 ...the Radio-Television News Directors'[br]Association and Foundation welcomes... 0:03:30.625,0:03:32.833 ...Mr. Edward R. Murrow. 0:03:53.500,0:03:55.625 This might just do nobody any good. 0:03:56.542,0:04:00.250 At the end of this discourse[br]a few people may accuse this reporter... 0:04:00.375,0:04:02.542 ...of fouling[br]his own comfortable nest... 0:04:03.000,0:04:06.500 ...and your organization may be[br]accused of having given hospitality... 0:04:06.625,0:04:08.958 ...to heretical[br]and even dangerous ideas. 0:04:10.042,0:04:12.292 But the elaborate structure[br]of networks... 0:04:12.417,0:04:16.208 ...advertising agencies, and sponsors[br]will not be shaken or altered. 0:04:17.125,0:04:20.500 It is my desire, if not my duty,[br]to try to talk to you journeymen... 0:04:20.625,0:04:24.125 ...with some candor about what[br]is happening to radio andtelevision. 0:04:24.250,0:04:26.167 And if what I say is responsible... 0:04:26.625,0:04:29.167 ...I alone am responsible[br]for the saying ofit. 0:04:30.417,0:04:32.542 Our history will be[br]what we make of it. 0:04:33.458,0:04:37.000 And if there are any historians[br]about 50 or 100 years from now... 0:04:37.125,0:04:38.708 ...and there should be preserved... 0:04:38.833,0:04:41.625 ...the kinescopes of one week[br]of all three networks... 0:04:42.083,0:04:45.708 ...they will there find recorded[br]in black and white, and in color... 0:04:46.333,0:04:48.333 ...evidence of decadence,[br]escapism... 0:04:48.458,0:04:52.042 ...and insulation from the realities[br]of the world in which we live. 0:04:52.625,0:04:56.375 We are currently wealthy, fat,[br]comfortable, and complacent. 0:04:57.250,0:05:00.917 We have a built-in allergy to[br]unpleasant or disturbing information. 0:05:01.167,0:05:03.333 Our mass media reflect this. 0:05:04.375,0:05:06.708 But unless we get up off[br]our fat surpluses... 0:05:06.833,0:05:09.250 ...and recognize[br]that television in the main... 0:05:09.375,0:05:13.542 ...is being used to distract, delude,[br]amuse, and insulate us... 0:05:14.083,0:05:16.333 ...then television[br]and those who finance it... 0:05:16.458,0:05:19.333 ...those who look at it[br]and those who work at it... 0:05:19.708,0:05:22.250 ...may see atotally[br]different picture too late. 0:06:09.208,0:06:12.375 Millie! Just the person[br]I wanted to see! Come here! 0:06:22.208,0:06:24.333 This goes at the top[br]of the Roy Campanella piece. 0:06:24.458,0:06:25.542 Yes! Give me a half an hour. 0:06:25.667,0:06:27.458 I may need it[br]a little quicker than that! 0:06:27.583,0:06:30.667 - Can I get some coffee first?[br]- Come on! Get me some coffee! 0:06:32.792,0:06:33.917 Morning, Johnny! 0:06:34.042,0:06:37.125 I have some new notes that go[br]with the Tito footage for Fred. 0:06:37.250,0:06:38.458 Fred's gonna be in[br]in an hour. 0:06:38.583,0:06:41.750 I already put them on his desk.[br]Can you just make sure that... 0:06:41.875,0:06:44.625 ...he doesn't look at the film[br]until he reads the notes? 0:06:44.750,0:06:46.042 - Yes.[br]- Thank you. 0:06:46.417,0:06:47.417 Hey, Joe! Shirley! 0:06:49.000,0:06:51.333 - What's going on in here?[br]- What do you mean? 0:06:51.458,0:06:53.333 Two attractive people[br]alone in the copy room! 0:06:53.458,0:06:54.708 Don't tell Paley, he'll fire me. 0:06:54.833,0:06:56.292 He'll fire both of us, Shirley. 0:06:56.417,0:06:59.167 - Rules are made to be broken![br]- You can afford to say that. 0:07:03.833,0:07:05.042 Let me see this. 0:07:08.708,0:07:12.292 - It's simply a loyalty oath.[br]- To CBS? - And to America. 0:07:12.583,0:07:14.042 You promise to be a loyal American? 0:07:14.167,0:07:16.292 I know. All of the reporters[br]have signed this. 0:07:16.417,0:07:18.083 Who are you promising this to?[br]CBS? 0:07:18.208,0:07:20.167 Fred signed it.[br]Murrow signed it. 0:07:20.292,0:07:21.625 - Murrow signed it?[br]- Yeah. 0:07:23.125,0:07:24.833 Are you now[br]or have you ever been... 0:07:24.958,0:07:27.167 I thought it was a joke,[br]but there's a lot of pressure. 0:07:27.292,0:07:29.792 ...on the Attorney General's list[br]of subversive groups? 0:07:29.917,0:07:32.083 - I don't know.[br]- Let's think about it. 0:07:32.208,0:07:35.750 What is it really saying? Is it a civil[br]liberties issue or censorship? 0:07:35.875,0:07:38.167 Am I simply stating to CBS[br]that I'm not a Communist? 0:07:38.292,0:07:40.583 - Murrow signed this?[br]- And Fred and Stanton. 0:07:40.708,0:07:43.833 - Maybe you should talk toMurrow.[br]- Maybe I should sign it. 0:07:45.042,0:07:47.792 If you don't sign this,[br]are you and I a target? 0:07:50.125,0:07:52.042 If I don'tsign it,[br]they'll fire me. 0:07:58.542,0:07:59.500 Sign it. 0:07:59.958,0:08:02.083 Finally we can tell everyone[br]the truth. 0:08:03.417,0:08:06.792 If I could express it[br]in what's in my heart now... 0:08:07.208,0:08:11.542 ...I'd do it in the terms[br]of the poet who once said... 0:08:12.167,0:08:15.500 ..."Ah, 'tis but a dainty flower[br]I bring to you." 0:08:16.542,0:08:18.542 'Yes, 'tis but a violet..." 0:08:19.542,0:08:21.000 "...glistening with dew." 0:08:22.042,0:08:25.542 "But still in its heart[br]there lie beauties concealed." 0:08:26.667,0:08:28.292 "So in our heart..." 0:08:29.750,0:08:31.292 "...our love for you..." 0:08:32.333,0:08:34.875 "...lies unrevealed." 0:08:37.417,0:08:38.500 I used to... 0:08:44.708,0:08:49.667 ...pride myself on the idea[br]that I was a bit... tough... 0:08:51.500,0:08:57.667 ...especially over the past[br]19-19 months, when we've been... 0:08:58.292,0:09:01.333 ...kicked around,[br]and bullwhipped, and damned. 0:09:02.667,0:09:03.958 I didnt think that... 0:09:06.292,0:09:09.250 ...I could be... touched very deeply. 0:09:09.500,0:09:11.708 Okay, that's enough.[br]That's enough, Leo. 0:09:11.833,0:09:13.833 - It's short.[br]- Howlong is the piece? 0:09:13.917,0:09:15.667 It's 4 minutes,[br]but we can cut it down. 0:09:15.750,0:09:18.542 It cant stand alone, but it might be[br]a nice companion piece. 0:09:18.667,0:09:20.958 Let's go through this one more time.[br]Palmer! 0:09:21.083,0:09:24.375 Yep, got a call from the office[br]of Senator Morse this morning... 0:09:24.458,0:09:27.583 ...interested in setting up[br]a debate possibly with Senator Kerr... 0:09:27.708,0:09:30.125 ...over the comments[br]Bentsen made on last night's show. 0:09:30.250,0:09:33.458 Secretary of Agriculture? Good idea![br]Can they do it by this week? 0:09:33.583,0:09:36.125 No, it would have to be 2 weeks[br]at the earliest... 0:09:36.250,0:09:39.542 ...depending on Morse's schedule.[br]But still it's a great idea. 0:09:39.667,0:09:42.958 Let's follow up on that.[br]"Hoover speaks on Benjamin Franklin." 0:09:43.083,0:09:46.167 We're having better luck[br]with Mr. Benjamin Frankin... 0:09:46.292,0:09:47.500 ...than with Mr. Hoover. 0:09:47.625,0:09:50.042 It may progress better[br]as a "Person to Person". 0:09:50.125,0:09:52.583 "At home with Ben Frankin.[br]His electricity awards." 0:09:52.708,0:09:54.583 We've got the footage,[br]we need to contact him. 0:09:54.667,0:09:58.375 See if you can contact him and get the[br]shot. He wants to do the story. Joe! 0:09:58.458,0:10:00.208 Member Delbert Clark?[br]No longer with us. 0:10:00.333,0:10:02.833 - New York Times? - Yeah.[br]- Our friend at the Times. 0:10:02.958,0:10:05.625 This was yesterday morning,[br]they're saying it's... 0:10:05.875,0:10:09.417 - How old was he?[br]- 53. Sudden illness. 0:10:09.542,0:10:12.208 - Home of a friend.[br]- No, it's not a nobit piece. 0:10:12.375,0:10:14.875 Natalie send some flowers[br]over there from us. 0:10:15.375,0:10:17.667 Couple things.[br]Case before the Supreme Court... 0:10:17.792,0:10:21.667 ...involving the constitutionality of a[br]section of the Internal Security Act... 0:10:21.750,0:10:23.708 ...provides for the deportation[br]of any alien... 0:10:23.833,0:10:26.542 ...if he becomes a Communist[br]after entering this country. 0:10:27.125,0:10:28.167 Can you take this? 0:10:28.292,0:10:30.833 All right. McCarthy interrupting[br]his wedding trip... 0:10:30.958,0:10:34.417 ...to take charge of the investigation[br]of Communist infiltration... 0:10:34.542,0:10:36.917 - Natalie, send some flowers.[br]- Poor Mrs. McCarthy! 0:10:37.000,0:10:39.125 May I finish?[br]It's national security! 0:10:39.208,0:10:42.000 - A real ladies' man![br]- Well, they're in love. 0:10:42.542,0:10:46.875 We have no show for Tuesday, fellows.[br]So get out there and make some news. 0:10:47.750,0:10:51.042 Rob a bank. Mug an old lady.[br]Do something. 0:10:51.833,0:10:54.458 - You look at the Secretary Stevens[br]footage? - We will. 0:10:54.583,0:10:57.083 Watch it all the way to the end,[br]it's worth it. 0:10:58.708,0:10:59.875 Thank you, John. 0:11:00.833,0:11:02.167 There's notmuch there. 0:11:02.333,0:11:05.792 I can't tie it to the Eisenhower[br]in the back of the train piece. 0:11:06.125,0:11:09.458 - You ever spend any time in Detroit,[br]Fred? - Not recently. 0:11:10.875,0:11:14.083 There's a story here[br]in the Detroit News, Dexter, Michigan. 0:11:14.875,0:11:16.917 A kid named Milo Radulovich. 0:11:18.542,0:11:22.250 - Italian? - Irish. Air Force[br]kicked him out because his dad... 0:11:22.375,0:11:26.958 ...reads ome Serbian newspaper.[br]- Was he a Communist? - I don't know. 0:11:27.083,0:11:28.875 - Who brought the charges?[br]- Air Force. 0:11:29.708,0:11:32.292 Charges were in a sealed envelope,[br]nobody saw them. 0:11:32.417,0:11:35.667 - Not even at the hearing? - He was[br]declared guilty without a trial... 0:11:35.792,0:11:37.500 ...and told if he wanted[br]to keep his job... 0:11:37.625,0:11:40.875 ...he had to denounce his father[br]and his sister. Thank you, Natalie. 0:11:41.000,0:11:43.417 - His sister?[br]- He told them to take a hike. 0:11:45.167,0:11:48.792 Let's send Joe and Charlie down there,[br]see if he's any good on camera. 0:11:48.917,0:11:51.167 Is he being brought[br]before the Committee? 0:11:51.917,0:11:52.875 No. 0:11:54.042,0:11:55.375 Then it's not McCarthy. 0:11:57.042,0:11:58.000 Isn't it? 0:12:04.125,0:12:05.625 Milo Radulovich. 0:12:09.917,0:12:11.292 What happens to your children... 0:12:11.417,0:12:14.292 ...your 5-year-old and your 5-month-old[br]in terms of you? 0:12:14.417,0:12:17.333 If I am being judged[br]on my relatives... 0:12:18.375,0:12:23.417 ...are my children going[br]to be asked to denounce me? 0:12:23.542,0:12:27.542 Are they going to be judged[br]on what their father was labeled? 0:12:28.292,0:12:33.250 Are they going to have to explain[br]to their friends, etc... 0:12:33.375,0:12:35.667 ...why their father[br]is a security risk? 0:12:36.667,0:12:41.292 If the thing is let stand[br]as it, the first recommendation... 0:12:41.625,0:12:45.792 ...was sent out by the board,[br]I see a chain reaction that... 0:12:46.625,0:12:48.875 ...has no end to anybody,[br]for anybody. 0:12:55.583,0:12:56.875 Well, that's new. 0:12:58.125,0:12:59.708 You can't call this[br]a neutral piece. 0:12:59.833,0:13:03.083 The other side's been represented[br]rather well for the last 2 years. 0:13:03.208,0:13:04.750 The Air Force[br]hasn't gone on the record. 0:13:04.875,0:13:07.875 So you want to forego the standards[br]you've stuck to for 15 years... 0:13:08.000,0:13:09.208 ...both sides, no commentary. 0:13:09.333,0:13:12.292 - We all editorialize. - I'm just[br]making sure we identify what... 0:13:12.417,0:13:14.042 We're giving them[br]the information up front... 0:13:14.167,0:13:15.708 ...and we're asking them[br]to comment on it. 0:13:15.833,0:13:16.833 Frank, hold on. 0:13:17.625,0:13:19.250 I've searched my conscience. 0:13:19.458,0:13:22.625 I can't for the life of me[br]find any justification for this. 0:13:22.750,0:13:25.583 I simply cannot accept[br]that there are, on every story... 0:13:25.708,0:13:27.708 ...two equal and logical sides[br]to an argument. 0:13:27.833,0:13:30.750 - Call it editorializing, if you'd like.[br]- It is editorializing. 0:13:30.875,0:13:32.542 They'll have equal time[br]to defend themselves. 0:13:32.667,0:13:34.708 Do you understand the position[br]you're putting us in? 0:13:34.833,0:13:37.750 We are all in this together,[br]if the Senate wants to investigate... 0:13:37.875,0:13:38.875 Do me a favor... 0:13:39.000,0:13:42.292 ...avoid any big speeches about how[br]we're all in a big boat together! 0:13:42.417,0:13:43.583 Please, don't insult me. 0:13:44.167,0:13:48.250 I have to go back to Mr. Paley[br]and Alcoa, who sponsors your show... 0:13:48.792,0:13:51.083 ...and also have[br]some military contracts... 0:13:51.208,0:13:54.375 ...and I have to tell them that[br]they're going to be in a tough bind... 0:13:54.500,0:13:56.500 ...because of a beef you had[br]with Joe McCarthy. 0:13:56.625,0:13:59.708 - We're not going at McCarthy.[br]- You're starting the goddamn fire. 0:13:59.833,0:14:03.167 Excuse me. Mr. Friendly,[br]there's a Colonel Anderson to see you? 0:14:03.292,0:14:06.750 - Colonel? - He's in your office.[br]There are two of them. 0:14:08.583,0:14:11.792 Maybe they liked the transcript,[br]and want to compliment us on it. 0:14:12.417,0:14:13.417 Excuse me. 0:14:21.625,0:14:24.333 Go after Joe Kennedy.[br]We'll pay for it. 0:14:24.875,0:14:26.917 I've got a great story about Hoover. 0:14:30.917,0:14:33.333 You know how many shows[br]you're going to have to do... 0:14:33.458,0:14:36.500 ...to make up for this? - And Judy[br]and her daughter Liza next week. 0:14:36.625,0:14:38.667 No, no.[br]You're interviewing Rin Tin Tin! 0:14:43.792,0:14:45.292 I'll talk to Mr. Paley. 0:14:47.917,0:14:49.708 Alcoa wont pay for the ads. 0:14:50.750,0:14:54.375 And we probably wont either.[br]But nobody'll stop you. 0:14:54.500,0:14:55.625 How much are the ads? 0:14:57.917,0:15:01.042 - 3,000.[br]- I'll split it with Fred. 0:15:02.667,0:15:05.958 He just won't have Christmas presents[br]for his kids this year. 0:15:06.333,0:15:09.500 - He's a Jew. - Don't tell him that,[br]he loves Christmas. 0:15:18.708,0:15:21.667 - To be clear, you did speak[br]with the lawyers? - Yes, we did. 0:15:21.792,0:15:25.042 And we read the transcript. We've not[br]been allowed to see the footage. 0:15:25.167,0:15:28.167 Mack is on a plane from Dexter[br]right now with the last interviews. 0:15:28.292,0:15:30.000 We'll be going[br]right down to the wire. 0:15:30.125,0:15:34.750 Your show airs tomorrow. How can we[br]possibly approve and check... 0:15:34.875,0:15:38.542 ...your story in the limited amount[br]of time you have given us? 0:15:38.667,0:15:42.333 With all due respect, you have been[br]invited to participate in this piece... 0:15:42.458,0:15:43.792 ...not to approve it. 0:15:44.458,0:15:47.458 We are going with the story[br]that says that the U.S. Air Force... 0:15:47.583,0:15:50.083 ...tried Milo Radulovich[br]without any evidence... 0:15:50.208,0:15:52.750 ...and found him guilty[br]of being a security risk... 0:15:52.875,0:15:56.500 ...without his Constitutional rights...[br]- You have not seen the evidence... 0:15:56.625,0:15:58.917 ...and are claiming[br]he's not a security risk. 0:15:59.042,0:16:03.125 Wouldn't you guess that those who have[br]seen the contents of that envelope... 0:16:03.250,0:16:07.250 ...might have a better idea of what[br]makes someone a danger to his country? 0:16:07.375,0:16:10.667 - Who? Who? - Or do you think[br]it should just be you that decides? 0:16:10.792,0:16:13.333 Who are the people?[br]Are they elected? Are they appointed? 0:16:13.458,0:16:16.125 Do they have an axe to grind?[br]Is it you, sir? 0:16:16.375,0:16:20.583 Or you, Colonel Jenkns? Do you know[br]the contents of that sealed envelope? 0:16:21.625,0:16:27.125 We have been a friend and ally of both[br]Mr. Murrow and CBS News for many years. 0:16:27.750,0:16:31.000 The story you are going[br]to run tomorrow is without merit. 0:16:31.542,0:16:34.625 So before you take any steps[br]that cannot be undone... 0:16:35.042,0:16:37.708 ...I strongly urge you[br]to reconsider your stand. 0:16:38.375,0:16:41.792 These are very dangerous waters[br]you are attempting to navigate. 0:16:47.917,0:16:53.750 We have had no hearing at all.[br]We have had noday in court. 0:16:54.208,0:16:58.292 In all the 32 years that I have been[br]a practicing attorney in Detroit... 0:16:58.542,0:17:03.042 ...I have never witnessed such a farce[br]and travesty upon justice... 0:17:03.167,0:17:05.125 ...as this thing has developed. 0:17:05.458,0:17:08.208 - Now this whole theory...[br]- Eddie, just take the first reel. 0:17:08.333,0:17:10.250 Tell John I left[br]5 seconds extra leader. 0:17:10.375,0:17:13.708 5 seconds! I got it! Palmer,[br]where's Joe? Have you seen Joe? 0:17:13.833,0:17:15.083 He's on his way[br]to the control room. 0:17:15.208,0:17:16.833 We're gonna have to do[br]the voice-over live. 0:17:16.958,0:17:18.708 Natalie, I need a booth[br]with a live mic. 0:17:18.833,0:17:20.042 Booth is there, it's already set. 0:17:20.167,0:17:22.333 We didn't have time[br]to sync the voice-over out. 0:17:22.625,0:17:24.250 That's not what I asked for. 0:17:25.958,0:17:27.875 It's missing the voice-over[br]on the last piece. 0:17:28.000,0:17:30.083 There's a commercial in the booth.[br]What shall I do? 0:17:30.208,0:17:32.917 - 2 minutes to air! - There's not[br]supposed to be a commercial! 0:17:33.042,0:17:34.292 Get himout of the booth! 0:17:37.875,0:17:40.042 2-and-a-half minutes[br]on the end piece. 0:17:41.250,0:17:43.917 Keep it down, please.[br]It's a little loud. 0:17:44.083,0:17:45.333 2 minutes to air, fellas. 0:17:46.750,0:17:50.083 - He's gonna add a joke.[br]- Charlie, loan me your lighter. 0:17:51.958,0:17:55.292 Make sure you know that I swap[br]with those two pieces of parents. 0:17:55.417,0:17:58.375 - As long as he talks fast because...[br]- He will talk fast. 0:18:03.542,0:18:04.667 We got the film. 0:18:05.917,0:18:07.125 Will it be ready? 0:18:07.667,0:18:08.667 You bet. 0:18:14.667,0:18:15.875 Funny thing, Freddy! 0:18:16.375,0:18:19.625 Every time you light a cigarette[br]for me, I know you're lying. 0:18:34.250,0:18:37.125 It occurs t ome[br]we might not get away with this one. 0:18:43.500,0:18:46.542 Alcoa, the aluminum company[br]of America... 0:18:46.625,0:18:48.792 - 10 seconds.[br]- You fellas, ready? Okay. 0:18:49.083,0:18:50.333 Ready on camera 1. 0:18:57.292,0:19:01.583 5, 4,3, 2. 0:19:04.500,0:19:05.708 Pan, camera 1. 0:19:07.292,0:19:08.250 Good evening. 0:19:08.750,0:19:12.375 A few weeks ago there occurred a few[br]obscure notices in the newspapers... 0:19:12.500,0:19:14.250 ...about Milo Radulovich... 0:19:14.667,0:19:16.833 ...a lieutenant[br]in the Air Force Reserves. 0:19:17.208,0:19:20.833 And, also, something about Air Force[br]regulation 35-62... 0:19:21.750,0:19:25.292 ...which states that a man[br]may be regarded as a security risk... 0:19:25.417,0:19:28.625 ...if he has close and continuing[br]association with Communists... 0:19:28.750,0:19:31.417 ...or people believed[br]to have Communist sympathies. 0:19:32.375,0:19:35.875 Lieutenant Radulovich was asked[br]to resign in August. He declined. 0:19:36.125,0:19:38.333 A board was called[br]and heard his case. 0:19:38.458,0:19:42.042 At the end it was recommended that[br]he be severed from the Air Force... 0:19:42.167,0:19:45.542 ...although it was also stated[br]that there was no question whatever... 0:19:45.667,0:19:47.458 ...as to the Lieutenant's loyalty. 0:19:47.583,0:19:50.000 We propose to examine,[br]in so far as we can... 0:19:50.125,0:19:52.208 ...the case of Lieutenant Radulovich. 0:19:52.458,0:19:55.208 Our reporter, Joe Wershba,[br]cameraman, Charlie Mack. 0:19:56.167,0:19:59.125 This is the town of Dexter, Michigan.[br]Population 1500. 0:19:59.542,0:20:02.833 This statue is at the end[br]of Ann Arbor Street erected by... 0:20:02.917,0:20:04.875 What did the General[br]tell you yesterday? 0:20:05.083,0:20:08.292 - A Colonel. There were two of them.[br]- That makes a General. 0:20:08.417,0:20:09.792 They weren't too pleased. 0:20:10.708,0:20:12.625 You're gonna get audited this year. 0:20:13.042,0:20:16.167 Not me, you. I told them[br]I didn't want to do the story. 0:20:17.500,0:20:20.083 - You always were yellow.[br]- Better than red. 0:20:27.250,0:20:28.333 In 10 seconds. 0:20:32.833,0:20:35.417 This is the sister,[br]Margaret Radulovich Fishman. 0:20:35.833,0:20:38.958 She neither defends nor explains[br]her political activities. 0:20:39.208,0:20:43.958 I feel that my activities,[br]be what they may... 0:20:44.083,0:20:47.000 ...or my political beliefs[br]are my own private affair. 0:20:47.542,0:20:52.667 Are my children going to be asked[br]to denounce me? 0:20:52.792,0:20:56.875 Are they going to be judged[br]on what their father was labeled? 0:20:57.375,0:21:02.250 Are they going to have to explain[br]to their friends, etc... 0:21:02.417,0:21:04.417 ...why their father[br]is a security risk? 0:21:05.375,0:21:10.250 I see, absolutely,[br]that this is a chain reaction. 0:21:10.625,0:21:14.917 If the thing is let stand as it,[br]the first recommendation... 0:21:15.042,0:21:19.292 ...was sent out by the board[br]I see a chain reaction... 0:21:19.417,0:21:22.833 ...that has no end to anybody,[br]for anybody. 0:21:23.750,0:21:26.792 Perhaps you will permit me[br]to read a few sentences... 0:21:26.917,0:21:30.000 ...because I would like to say[br]rather precisely what I mean. 0:21:30.417,0:21:33.167 We have told the Air Force[br]that we will provide facilities... 0:21:33.292,0:21:36.333 ...for any comments, criticisms,[br]or corrections it may wish to make... 0:21:36.417,0:21:38.417 ...as to the case of Milo Radulovich. 0:21:39.750,0:21:43.208 We are unable to judge the charges[br]against his father or sister... 0:21:43.333,0:21:46.625 ...because neither we, nor you,[br]nor they, nor the lawyers... 0:21:46.750,0:21:50.750 ...nor the Lieutenant, know what was[br]contained in that manila envelope. 0:21:51.500,0:21:54.625 Was it hearsay,[br]rumor, gossip, slander... 0:21:54.917,0:21:58.917 ...or hard ascertainable facts that[br]could be backed by credible witnesses? 0:21:59.292,0:22:00.458 We do not know. 0:22:01.333,0:22:04.583 We believe the son shall not bear[br]the iniquity of the father. 0:22:04.750,0:22:08.208 Even though that iniquity be proved[br]and in this case it was not. 0:22:09.250,0:22:12.542 But we believe too that this case[br]illustrates the urgent need... 0:22:12.625,0:22:16.542 ...for the Armed Forces to communicate[br]more fully than they have so far done... 0:22:16.667,0:22:19.083 ...the procedures and regulations[br]to be followed... 0:22:19.208,0:22:21.583 ...in attempting to protect[br]the national security... 0:22:21.708,0:22:24.417 ...and the rights of the individual[br]at the same time. 0:22:25.542,0:22:28.208 Whatever happens in this area[br]of the relationship... 0:22:28.333,0:22:30.417 ...between the individual[br]and the state... 0:22:30.542,0:22:32.083 ...we will do it ourselves... 0:22:32.667,0:22:37.083 ...it cannot be blamed on Malenkov[br]or Mao Tse-Tung or even our allies. 0:22:37.875,0:22:41.167 And, it seems to us,[br]Fred Friendly and myself... 0:22:41.708,0:22:45.167 ...that this is a subject[br]that should be argued about endlessly. 0:22:46.792,0:22:48.625 Good night, and good luck. 0:22:55.542,0:22:56.667 And we'reout. 0:24:32.500,0:24:32.917 May I tell you something[br]about yourself... 0:24:32.917,0:24:34.583 May I tellyou something[br]about yourself... 0:24:34.708,0:24:37.083 ...as a member[br]of the "Person to Person" audience? 0:24:37.208,0:24:39.250 Based on audience[br]research studies... 0:24:39.833,0:24:43.375 ...you are well above average[br]in education and intelligence. 0:24:44.000,0:24:47.125 Your interests are wide,[br]from world affairs and science... 0:24:47.333,0:24:49.125 ...to sports and show business. 0:24:49.458,0:24:52.667 And you have one characteristic[br]that's rather encouraging to me... 0:24:52.792,0:24:56.667 ...and that's the fact that you are[br]not easily persuaded by advertising. 0:24:57.458,0:25:00.250 The makers of Kent considered[br]all these characteristics... 0:25:00.375,0:25:02.500 ...when they chose[br]Mr. Murrow'sprogram... 0:25:02.625,0:25:04.125 ...to tell you about Kent. 0:25:04.417,0:25:09.458 Of all leading filter cigarettes,[br]Kent filter's best. 0:25:09.750,0:25:12.833 If you try Kent with that in mind,[br]I think you'll agree... 0:25:12.958,0:25:16.125 ...with many other thinking people[br]who havec hanged to Kent. 0:25:16.500,0:25:21.375 They find that it makes good sense[br]to smoke Kent and good smoking, too. 0:25:22.375,0:25:25.625 - Did you get the changes?[br]- Edward Murrow, "Person to Person"... 0:25:25.750,0:25:29.542 ...on the CBS Television Network.[br]- No, no. You there? Okay. We got it. 0:25:29.667,0:25:31.208 Now back to Ed Murrow. 0:25:32.500,0:25:35.375 Not since the silent movies[br]and the idols they produced... 0:25:35.500,0:25:39.208 ...has Hollywood witnessed the sort[br]of pilgrimage that is now going on. 0:25:39.750,0:25:43.375 Each day, oblivious to time,[br]weather, and the state of the world... 0:25:43.583,0:25:47.375 ...sightseers head in the direction[br]of California's San Fernando Valley. 0:25:47.875,0:25:51.083 For there, at the end[br]of the tourist line, is Sherman Oaks... 0:25:51.208,0:25:54.500 ...and the home Liberace[br]has built for himself and his mother. 0:25:54.708,0:25:58.542 This is the front and nobody knows[br]how many people have seen that view. 0:25:59.208,0:26:02.417 This is the back of the house[br]and that's Liberace's bedroom. 0:26:03.458,0:26:05.583 - Good evening, Lee.[br]- Good evening, Ed. 0:26:05.708,0:26:10.417 - What are you doing? - I'm dictating[br]my weekly syndicated newspaper column... 0:26:10.917,0:26:17.417 ...and on my trusty tape recorder here,[br]I'm also dictating a book. 0:26:17.542,0:26:19.875 - It's an inspirational book.[br]- Lee, what about you? 0:26:20.000,0:26:22.958 Have you given much thought[br]to getting married and settling down? 0:26:23.083,0:26:25.667 Actually, I've given[br]a lot of thought to it... 0:26:25.792,0:26:29.667 ...but I don't believe in getting married[br]just for the sake of getting married. 0:26:29.792,0:26:32.458 I want to someday[br]find the perfect mate... 0:26:32.875,0:26:36.917 ...and settle down to what I hope will[br]be a marriage that will be blessed... 0:26:37.083,0:26:39.667 ...by faith[br]and will be a lasting union. 0:26:40.208,0:26:44.917 I was reading[br]about lovely young Princess Margaret... 0:26:45.500,0:26:48.167 ...and she's lookng[br]for her dream man, too... 0:26:48.750,0:26:50.708 ...and I hope she finds him someday. 0:26:52.125,0:26:55.833 Uh-huh. Lee, thanks very much[br]for letting us come and visit you. 0:26:55.958,0:26:57.083 It's been very pleasant. 0:26:57.208,0:26:59.333 And will you say goodnight[br]to your family for us? 0:26:59.458,0:27:01.125 - I certainly will.[br]- Thanks a lot. 0:27:01.250,0:27:03.042 - Good night, Ed.[br]- Good night, Lee. 0:27:04.542,0:27:07.250 Next week, we'll take you[br]to Beverly Hills, California... 0:27:07.375,0:27:10.042 ...to the house of Mickey Rooney[br]and his newbride. 0:27:10.125,0:27:12.792 Until then,[br]good night, and good luck. 0:27:19.000,0:27:20.583 Good show, Mr. Murrow! 0:27:43.792,0:27:45.000 Excuse me, Mr. Murrow. 0:27:45.125,0:27:47.792 Could you take a look at this[br]and sign it for me, please? 0:27:47.917,0:27:51.000 Thank you. Dr. Stanton[br]would like to have a drink with you. 0:27:51.125,0:27:53.125 - When?[br]- Now. He's at the Pentagon Bar. 0:27:53.250,0:27:55.417 I can't. What the hell[br]is he doing there? 0:27:55.542,0:27:58.375 - I believe he's waiting for you.[br]- Just call him! - Fine. 0:27:58.500,0:28:01.167 - Oppenheimer next week.[br]- It's a good show, Ed. 0:28:03.000,0:28:04.292 - Hey, Don![br]- Ed! 0:28:05.375,0:28:06.750 You're getting good at this! 0:28:07.333,0:28:09.083 They're gonna think you like it! 0:28:09.292,0:28:11.542 Pays the bills. How are you, Don? 0:28:12.875,0:28:13.875 Ah, it's... 0:28:15.375,0:28:16.542 ...day today. 0:28:17.333,0:28:20.208 If she saw how good you look[br]right now, she'd be back. 0:28:21.792,0:28:24.167 You tell her that[br]if you see her, will you? 0:28:25.708,0:28:28.875 - I read the O'Brian piece.[br]- Yeah, it's tough. 0:28:29.750,0:28:32.292 I'm a pinko.[br]I slant the news. 0:28:33.417,0:28:36.208 I'm just waiting for him[br]to say my wife left me too. 0:28:36.542,0:28:39.417 - Nobody worth their salt reads him.[br]- You read him. 0:28:40.000,0:28:41.625 Well, see, I rest my case. 0:28:43.375,0:28:47.583 - Does Paley read him?[br]- Bill Paley's not gonna do anything. 0:28:50.792,0:28:51.875 Thanks, Ed. 0:28:53.250,0:28:56.500 I just came by to tell you[br]how great the Lieutenant piece was. 0:28:56.625,0:28:59.792 - Thanks. - How's the fallout?[br]- Mostly good, surprisingly. 0:29:00.042,0:29:02.792 Is this the start?[br]Are you taking sides? 0:29:05.417,0:29:08.417 It's just a little poke[br]with a stick, see what happens. 0:29:08.708,0:29:10.375 You let me know if I can help. 0:29:10.625,0:29:12.042 But you're a pinko. 0:29:14.833,0:29:16.042 I'll see you. 0:29:32.042,0:29:34.708 Hey, Joe! What's all this[br]Radulovich junk you're putting out? 0:29:34.792,0:29:37.667 I can't talk to you now. I have[br]to get this film back to New York. 0:29:37.792,0:29:39.083 What would you say if I told you... 0:29:39.208,0:29:41.750 ...that Murrow was[br]on the Soviet payroll in 1935? 0:29:43.958,0:29:47.000 - Uh! Charlie, you wanna...[br]- Sure. I'll set up outside. 0:29:49.167,0:29:50.750 McCarthy going[br]tot he Eisenhower dinner? 0:29:50.875,0:29:54.417 - I have no idea. Id on't keep the[br]Senator's calendar for him! - Really? 0:29:58.583,0:30:02.250 Have you ever seen any spy films?[br]You don't hand me a classified folder! 0:30:02.375,0:30:04.458 You're supposed to slip it[br]into my briefcase! 0:30:04.583,0:30:07.708 I didnt know who to give[br]this information to, Paley or Murrow. 0:30:07.833,0:30:11.375 As you can imagine, Fred and I[br]aren't very friendly. No pun intended. 0:30:11.792,0:30:13.250 No pun elocuted. 0:30:16.750,0:30:18.708 - What do you got, Donald?[br]- In short? 0:30:19.000,0:30:21.708 Murrows been a Communist[br]sympathizer since the 1930's. 0:30:21.833,0:30:25.333 Member of the International Workers,[br]sponsored educational trips to Moscow... 0:30:25.458,0:30:27.958 ...and on the Sovietpayroll[br]in 1935. It's all there. 0:30:28.083,0:30:29.917 You wanna know[br]why that's not possible? 0:30:30.042,0:30:31.500 Why you'll lose this one? 0:30:32.000,0:30:33.958 Because everyone in this country... 0:30:34.083,0:30:37.167 ...knows that Ed Murrow[br]is a loyal American, he's apatriot. 0:30:39.167,0:30:41.875 Did you know the word "gullible"[br]isn't in the dictionary? 0:30:42.000,0:30:44.958 - Can I give this to him?[br]- I'd love it! I have copies! 0:30:48.083,0:30:49.583 I think you guys go too far. 0:30:50.000,0:30:52.292 Well, if it walks like a duck,[br]talks like a duck. 0:30:59.167,0:31:00.458 Yes, Mr. Paley. 0:31:01.500,0:31:03.083 Right away.[br]Yes, sir. 0:31:04.833,0:31:06.250 No, he hasn't called. 0:31:07.583,0:31:11.375 Yes, sir, the second he calls.[br]If you're in a meeting, shall I? 0:31:12.750,0:31:14.583 Yes, sir.[br]Of course, sir. 0:31:17.375,0:31:18.417 Mr. Murrow! 0:31:19.333,0:31:21.042 Mr. Paley will see you now. 0:31:24.917,0:31:28.625 - Mr. Paley, Mr. Murrow is here.[br]- Thanks, Miss Mary. 0:31:29.250,0:31:32.000 - Hello, Ed. - Bill...[br]- Sit over here, will you? 0:31:32.875,0:31:33.917 How's Janet? 0:31:34.375,0:31:36.750 - Your son?[br]- All well, thanks. How's Babe? 0:31:36.917,0:31:40.042 She's fine. Her fundraiser[br]got rained on, so... 0:31:40.500,0:31:43.333 - Oh! That's why I never plan[br]on anything. - Really? 0:31:44.917,0:31:46.125 You'd never know. 0:31:50.042,0:31:51.292 Reading fiction? 0:31:51.958,0:31:53.792 I hope so. You tell me. 0:31:55.250,0:31:57.042 Now we know[br]how they're gonna come at us. 0:31:57.167,0:32:00.042 That's just the first shot.[br]Somebody's going to go down. 0:32:00.167,0:32:02.750 Have you checked your facts?[br]Are you on safe ground? 0:32:05.083,0:32:07.917 - Bill, it's time. Show our cards.[br]- My cards. 0:32:08.792,0:32:12.667 You lose, what happens?[br]5 guys find themselves out of work. 0:32:13.125,0:32:17.292 I'm responsible for a lot more[br]than 5 goddamn reporters. Let it go. 0:32:19.083,0:32:21.208 McCarthy will self-destruct,[br]Cohn, all of them. 0:32:21.333,0:32:23.750 You said Corporate[br]would not interfere with Editorial... 0:32:23.875,0:32:25.333 ...and that the News[br]was to be left... 0:32:25.458,0:32:27.208 We don't make the news,[br]we report the news. 0:32:27.333,0:32:30.042 He's marked as Communists. 0:32:30.167,0:32:32.167 If he goes too far,[br]the Senate will investigate him... 0:32:32.292,0:32:33.250 ...and we will report on that. 0:32:33.375,0:32:36.625 He oversteps people's civil liberties. 0:32:36.750,0:32:37.833 And you're trying him in the press? 0:32:37.958,0:32:39.917 Does he get the right[br]to face his accuser? 0:32:40.042,0:32:42.500 You've decided on this[br]and you're presenting it as fact. 0:32:42.625,0:32:44.917 - What I am doing...[br]- I write your check. 0:32:45.042,0:32:48.875 I put you in your country house,[br]and I put your son through school! 0:32:49.292,0:32:52.875 You should have told me about this[br]before it went so far down the road! 0:33:04.417,0:33:08.250 Everyone of your boys needs to be[br]clean. Do you understand? No ties. 0:33:08.500,0:33:13.042 If Aaron's mother went to a group[br]fundraiser in 1932, he's out. 0:33:13.208,0:33:16.958 Hewitt, too. Anyone in that room.[br]You make no mistake... 0:33:17.125,0:33:20.708 ...I will cut them loose. Corporate[br]won't interfere with Editorial. 0:33:20.833,0:33:24.208 But Editorial will not jeopardize[br]the hundreds of employees... 0:33:24.333,0:33:27.625 ...of the CBS.[br]Do I make myself clear? 0:33:28.958,0:33:30.208 Yes? 0:33:35.708,0:33:39.042 Fellas, our next show is gonna be[br]about Senator McCarthy. 0:33:40.167,0:33:41.917 And we'regonna go right at him. 0:33:42.583,0:33:45.333 I don't need to tell you[br]how careful we have to be. 0:33:45.458,0:33:48.583 If we are to do this, Ed and I[br]need you to be straight with us. 0:33:48.708,0:33:50.875 We need to know,[br]for the good of the piece... 0:33:51.000,0:33:54.792 ...if any of you have any connection,[br]if you subscribed to a newsletter... 0:33:54.917,0:33:56.750 ...if you attended a party,[br]anything... 0:33:56.875,0:34:00.000 ...anything that could compromise this,[br]anything at all... 0:34:00.500,0:34:02.792 ...because now would be[br]the time to tell us. 0:34:08.292,0:34:10.250 Ed, I think I should excuse myself. 0:34:11.250,0:34:12.667 Palmer, you kidding? 0:34:13.667,0:34:16.167 My ex was a...[br]I wouldn't say she was a Communist... 0:34:16.292,0:34:19.333 ...but she attended meetings.[br]It was before we were married. 0:34:19.458,0:34:22.375 I didn't even really know about it[br]until after the divorce. 0:34:22.958,0:34:25.917 But it was different then.[br]We were all on the same side. 0:34:27.458,0:34:30.375 I'm not telling you anything[br]you don't know. The thing is... 0:34:30.500,0:34:31.917 ...somebody'll find out. 0:34:33.667,0:34:35.125 They'll hurt us with it. 0:34:36.708,0:34:39.125 I should have told you sooner, Ed,[br]I'm sorry. 0:34:40.292,0:34:41.375 Fred. 0:34:44.625,0:34:47.292 If none of us had ever read[br]a "dangerous" book... 0:34:47.500,0:34:49.625 ...or had a friend[br]who was "different"... 0:34:49.750,0:34:52.417 ...or never joined an organization[br]that advocated "change"... 0:34:52.500,0:34:55.292 ...we'd all be the kindof people[br]Joe McCarthy wants. 0:34:57.292,0:35:00.875 We're gonna go with the story,[br]because the terror is in this room. 0:35:04.917,0:35:07.167 John! Jesse![br]Go through the HUAC hearings. 0:35:07.292,0:35:11.167 Eddie! Palmer! Look at who[br]did the interviews and any speeches. 0:35:12.208,0:35:13.792 Okay, fellas, here we go. 0:35:14.417,0:35:16.375 His own words,[br]that's what we need. 0:35:16.500,0:35:19.000 ...said that he wouldn't remove[br]a General from the Army... 0:35:19.125,0:35:22.083 ...who supported a Communist Major.[br]I said, "Then, General..." 0:35:22.208,0:35:24.500 "...you should be removed[br]from any command." 0:35:25.042,0:35:28.792 "Any man who says, "I will protect[br]and honor a General'..." 0:35:29.083,0:35:33.375 "...'who protects Communists', is not[br]fit to wear that uniform, General." 0:35:33.708,0:35:35.292 Ethically, we're fine. 0:35:35.500,0:35:39.208 But legally, if we air this, are we[br]leaking closed hearing testimony? 0:35:39.333,0:35:41.708 - But he chose to read it.[br]- We're not misquoting him. 0:35:41.833,0:35:45.208 - There are other reporters.[br]- If it's a legal issue, it's his. 0:35:45.333,0:35:46.667 I'll check with Campbell in Legal. 0:35:46.792,0:35:48.792 And wait till you hear[br]the bleeding hearts... 0:35:49.292,0:35:51.375 ...scream and cry about our methods... 0:35:52.625,0:35:54.625 ...of trying to drag the truth... 0:35:56.250,0:35:58.375 ...from those who know[br]or should know... 0:35:59.250,0:36:02.167 ...who covered up[br]a Fifth Amendment Communist Major. 0:36:03.083,0:36:04.417 But they say, "Oh..." 0:36:05.458,0:36:09.417 "...it's all right to uncover them,[br]but don't get rough doing it, McCarthy." 0:36:11.500,0:36:16.042 Did a Civil Liberties Union provide[br]you with an attorney at that time? 0:36:16.917,0:36:18.667 I had many offers of attorneys... 0:36:18.792,0:36:22.667 ...and from the American Civil Liberties[br]Union, too. - The question is: 0:36:22.792,0:36:25.708 ...did the Civil Liberties Union[br]supply you with an attorney? 0:36:25.833,0:36:28.375 - They did supply an attorney.[br]- The answer is yes? 0:36:28.542,0:36:29.500 The answer is yes. 0:36:29.625,0:36:32.083 You know the Civil Liberties Union[br]has been listed... 0:36:32.208,0:36:35.375 ...as a front for and doing the work[br]of the Communist Party? 0:36:35.917,0:36:37.833 Mr. Chairman, this was 1932! 0:36:39.292,0:36:40.583 I know this was in 1932. 0:36:40.667,0:36:42.833 Do you know that they since[br]have been listed... 0:36:42.958,0:36:45.458 ...as a front for and doing the work[br]of the Communist Party? 0:36:45.583,0:36:47.792 I do not know[br]that they have been listedso, sir. 0:36:47.917,0:36:50.250 - You don't know?[br]- I have heard that mentioned... 0:36:50.375,0:36:51.583 All right, Leo. Turn it off. 0:36:51.667,0:36:55.458 - I need those three cans of Stevens![br]- Has anybody read this book yet? 0:36:55.583,0:36:57.875 It would be nice[br]if this guy isn't a Commie. 0:36:58.000,0:37:00.375 - Did Millie give it to you?[br]- I wanna read the book. 0:37:00.458,0:37:02.042 - Nobody else, Joe.[br]- I hear you, boss. 0:37:02.167,0:37:04.458 I'll put it on a kinescope,[br]push through the end. 0:37:04.583,0:37:05.750 Palmer, cut it at 2:30. 0:37:05.875,0:37:08.208 I prefer it one on each end,[br]let it run through. 0:37:08.292,0:37:10.125 It'd be more powerful.[br]Cut Kennedy? 0:37:10.250,0:37:13.042 Joe, file it for me.[br]I'll see the Mundt piece later. 0:37:13.333,0:37:14.667 Are we gonna make it, Fred? 0:37:15.042,0:37:17.167 We lost the telecine,[br]but we'll make it. 0:37:20.625,0:37:22.500 Did you finish your closing piece? 0:37:23.292,0:37:24.458 It's Shakespeare. 0:37:26.375,0:37:27.667 Write your closing. 0:37:56.208,0:37:59.458 My argument was if you just show[br]the images of McCarthy... 0:37:59.583,0:38:01.083 ...it doesn't make any difference. 0:38:01.208,0:38:03.458 If you agree with him,[br]you're gonna hate the piece. 0:38:03.542,0:38:04.583 If you don't, you'll love it. 0:38:04.708,0:38:06.667 Maybe they should wait[br]till they get more footage. 0:38:06.792,0:38:08.250 I don't think[br]wec an take that chance. 0:38:08.375,0:38:10.958 We've got to hit McCarthy[br]before he comes after Ed. 0:38:12.750,0:38:16.083 The blue one. They haven't gone[br]after the AIsops or Herb Block. 0:38:16.333,0:38:19.083 Honey, the AIsops and Herb Block... 0:38:19.792,0:38:23.417 ...didn't work for the Institute[br]of International Education in 1934. 0:38:24.250,0:38:25.583 Then I guess it's time. 0:38:32.917,0:38:33.875 You worried? 0:38:36.708,0:38:38.042 I didn't think I was. 0:38:38.750,0:38:41.333 I don't know why.[br]I was in the office on Friday. 0:38:41.708,0:38:44.708 And I answered the phone,[br]it was Howard calling from London. 0:38:44.833,0:38:47.250 And he asked what was going on[br]with McCarthy. 0:38:47.500,0:38:52.667 And before I answered him, I turned[br]and looked over my shoulder... 0:38:53.000,0:38:55.875 ...tosee who was listening.[br]- And who was listening? 0:38:57.708,0:38:58.917 Chairman Mao... 0:39:05.250,0:39:06.667 I'll see you at the office. 0:39:07.667,0:39:09.250 - Hey, your ring![br]- Uh! 0:39:12.583,0:39:14.000 Name me another wife... 0:39:14.500,0:39:17.208 ...who reminds her husband[br]to take off his wedding ring... 0:39:17.333,0:39:20.500 ...before he goes to the office.[br]- Ava Gardner. 0:39:27.875,0:39:31.583 Excuse me, Mr. Friendly. Mr. Murrow,[br]Mr. Paley's on the line for you. 0:39:33.708,0:39:37.292 - Maybe he wants to reimburse us[br]for those ads. - You'd like that! 0:39:37.667,0:39:39.500 - I would like that![br]- This is Ed. 0:39:39.833,0:39:43.208 There's a Knickerbocker game tonight.[br]I've got front row seats. 0:39:43.458,0:39:44.708 Are you interested? 0:39:45.583,0:39:48.500 I'm busy bringing down[br]the network tonight, Bill. 0:39:48.833,0:39:49.792 Is that tonight? 0:39:51.542,0:39:52.792 We're covered, Bill. 0:39:53.750,0:39:54.792 All right. 0:39:56.750,0:40:01.417 - I'm with you today, Ed, and I'm[br]with you tomorrow. - Thanks, Bill. 0:40:17.208,0:40:19.458 Do you know the timing[br]on the first piece? 0:40:21.000,0:40:22.917 Can we hold all the calls, please? 0:40:23.208,0:40:25.375 Hold the calls till after the show.[br]Thank you. 0:40:25.833,0:40:27.917 - You fellas, awake down there?[br]- Okay. 0:40:28.292,0:40:31.042 - Just... what are we? 20?[br]- 30 seconds, Ed. 0:40:46.958,0:40:48.208 10 seconds. 0:40:52.542,0:40:57.083 5, 4,3, 2. 0:40:58.500,0:40:59.917 And pan, camera one. 0:41:03.167,0:41:07.042 Because a report on Senator McCarthy[br]is by definition controversial... 0:41:07.500,0:41:09.792 ...we want to say exactly[br]what we mean to say... 0:41:09.917,0:41:12.625 ...and request your permission[br]to read from a script... 0:41:12.750,0:41:15.250 ...what ever remarks Murrow[br]and Friendly may make. 0:41:15.833,0:41:19.583 If the Senator feels that we have done[br]violence to his words or pictures... 0:41:19.708,0:41:21.917 ...and desires to answer himself... 0:41:22.125,0:41:24.958 ...an opportunity will be afforded him[br]on this program. 0:41:25.417,0:41:27.958 Our working thesis tonight[br]is this quotation: 0:41:28.708,0:41:30.333 ..."If this fight[br]against Communism..." 0:41:30.458,0:41:33.750 "...has made a fight between[br]America's two great political parties..." 0:41:33.875,0:41:37.333 "...the American people know that one[br]of these parties will be destroyed..." 0:41:37.458,0:41:40.875 "...and the Republic cannot endure[br]very long as a one-party system." 0:41:41.375,0:41:42.917 We applaud that statement... 0:41:43.042,0:41:45.250 ...and we think[br]Senator McCarthy ought to. 0:41:45.500,0:41:47.792 He said it[br]17 months ago in Milwaukee. 0:41:48.875,0:41:52.208 The American people realize[br]that this cannot be made a fight... 0:41:52.375,0:41:54.958 ...between America's[br]two great political parties. 0:41:55.083,0:41:56.667 If this fight against Communism... 0:41:56.792,0:41:59.958 ...is made a fight against America's[br]two great political parties... 0:42:00.083,0:42:03.667 ...the American people know that one[br]of those parties will be destroyed... 0:42:03.792,0:42:07.167 ...and the Republic can't endure[br]very long as a one-party system. 0:42:08.042,0:42:10.625 On one thing the Senator[br]has been consistent. 0:42:11.208,0:42:14.500 Often operating as a one-man[br]committee, he has traveled far... 0:42:14.583,0:42:16.792 ...interviewed many,[br]terrorized some... 0:42:17.333,0:42:19.333 ...accused civilian[br]and military leaders... 0:42:19.458,0:42:21.875 ...of the past administration[br]of a great conspiracy... 0:42:22.000,0:42:23.958 ...to turn over the country[br]to Communism. 0:42:24.083,0:42:28.458 I was extremely shocked when I heard[br]that Secretary Stevens... 0:42:29.000,0:42:33.292 ...told 2 Army officers that they had[br]to take part in the cover up... 0:42:33.792,0:42:36.375 ...of those who promoted[br]and coddled Communists. 0:42:36.625,0:42:39.500 As I read his statement, I... 0:42:40.500,0:42:43.458 ...thought of that quotation,[br]"On what meat..." 0:42:44.208,0:42:46.375 "...does this our Caesar feed?". 0:42:46.542,0:42:47.500 The questions is: 0:42:47.625,0:42:50.625 ...did the Civil Liberties Union[br]supply you with an attorney? 0:42:50.750,0:42:53.292 - They did supply an attorney.[br]- The answer is yes? 0:42:53.417,0:42:54.375 The answer is yes. 0:42:54.500,0:42:57.208 Do you think this book[br]did considerable harm? 0:42:57.458,0:42:58.833 Its publication... 0:42:59.958,0:43:02.625 ...by an expression of the views[br]contained in it? 0:43:02.958,0:43:06.250 The sale of that book[br]was so abysmally small... 0:43:06.792,0:43:11.125 ...it was so unsuccessful,[br]that the question of its influence... 0:43:11.583,0:43:13.375 You can go back[br]to the publisher... 0:43:13.500,0:43:17.125 ...you'll see it was one of the most[br]unsuccessful books he ever put out. 0:43:17.250,0:43:19.375 He's still sorry about it,[br]just as I am. 0:43:19.667,0:43:22.875 Well, I think that's a compliment[br]to American intelligence. 0:43:23.792,0:43:24.875 I'll say that. 0:43:25.583,0:43:29.250 The Reed Harris hearing demonstrates[br]one of the Senator's techniques. 0:43:29.375,0:43:30.583 Twice he said... 0:43:30.875,0:43:34.708 ...'The American Civil Liberties Union[br]was listed as a subversive front." 0:43:34.792,0:43:37.792 The Attorney General's list does not[br]and never has listed... 0:43:37.875,0:43:40.708 ...the ACLU as subversive,[br]nor does the FBI... 0:43:40.833,0:43:43.042 ...or any other[br]federal government agency. 0:43:43.417,0:43:46.500 And the American Civil Liberties Union[br]holds in its files... 0:43:46.625,0:43:49.208 ...letters of commendation[br]from President Truman... 0:43:49.333,0:43:51.917 ...President Eisenhower,[br]and General MacArthur. 0:43:52.958,0:43:57.417 Earlier, the Senator asked, "Upon what[br]meat does this our Caesar feed?". 0:43:57.708,0:44:00.417 Had he looked three lines earlier[br]in Shakespeare's "Caesar"... 0:44:00.542,0:44:04.083 ...he would have found this line,[br]which is not altogether inappropriate. 0:44:04.208,0:44:08.458 "The fault, dear Brutus, is not[br]in our stars, but in ourselves." 0:44:09.167,0:44:11.417 No one familiar with the history[br]of this country... 0:44:11.542,0:44:14.208 ...can deny that Congressional[br]committees are useful. 0:44:14.333,0:44:17.167 It is necessary to investigate[br]before legislating... 0:44:17.292,0:44:20.833 ...but the line between investigating[br]and persecuting is a very fine one... 0:44:20.958,0:44:24.792 ...and the junior Senator from Wisconsin[br]has stepped over it repeatedly. 0:44:25.000,0:44:27.542 We must not confuse dissent[br]with disloyalty. 0:44:28.167,0:44:31.208 We must remember always[br]that accusation is not proof... 0:44:31.500,0:44:35.250 ...and that conviction depends[br]upon evidence and due process of law. 0:44:36.208,0:44:38.500 We will not walk in fear,[br]one of another. 0:44:38.625,0:44:41.458 We will not be driven by fear[br]into an age of unreason... 0:44:41.583,0:44:44.250 ...if we dig deep[br]in our history and doctrine... 0:44:44.458,0:44:47.708 ...and remember that we are not[br]descended from fearful men... 0:44:47.917,0:44:51.417 ...not from men who feared to write,[br]to associate, to speak... 0:44:51.542,0:44:54.917 ...and to defend the causes[br]that were for the moment unpopular. 0:44:55.500,0:44:58.875 This is no time for men who oppose[br]Senator McCarthy's methods... 0:44:59.000,0:45:01.542 ...to keep silent,[br]or for those who approve. 0:45:02.250,0:45:04.792 Wec an deny our heritage[br]and our history... 0:45:04.875,0:45:07.667 ...but we cannot escape[br]responsibility for the results. 0:45:08.292,0:45:10.542 We proclaim ourselves,[br]indeed as we are... 0:45:10.625,0:45:14.583 ...the defenders of freedom wherever[br]it continues to exist in the world... 0:45:14.708,0:45:18.167 ...but we cannot defend freedom abroad[br]by deserting it at home. 0:45:18.833,0:45:21.125 The actions of the junior Senator[br]from Wisconsin... 0:45:21.250,0:45:24.208 ...have caused alarm and dismay[br]amongst our allies abroad... 0:45:24.333,0:45:26.833 ...and given considerable comfort[br]to our enemies. 0:45:27.500,0:45:30.375 And whose fault is that?[br]Not really his. 0:45:30.875,0:45:33.167 He didn't create[br]this situation of fear... 0:45:33.458,0:45:36.417 ...he merely exploited it,[br]and rather successfully. 0:45:38.000,0:45:39.292 Cassius was right. 0:45:39.875,0:45:44.208 "The fault, dear Brutus, is not[br]in our stars, but in ourselves." 0:45:45.250,0:45:47.292 Good night, and good luck. 0:45:55.042,0:45:56.125 And we're out. 0:46:09.792,0:46:10.792 Nothing? 0:46:14.042,0:46:15.500 Maybe nobody watched. 0:46:20.625,0:46:22.958 - We got nothing.[br]- I don't know. - Nothing. 0:46:23.500,0:46:26.042 Should I turn the phones back on,[br]Mr. Williams? 0:46:27.583,0:46:29.917 Yes. Now would be[br]a good time for that. 0:46:30.708,0:46:32.833 Turn the phones on![br]Turn the pho... 0:46:33.625,0:46:35.208 Mr. Friendly wants the phones on. 0:46:35.333,0:46:37.042 It's the Junior Senator[br]calling collect. 0:46:37.167,0:46:40.375 Don't kid yourself. It's Reed Harris[br]thanking us for mentioning him. 0:46:40.500,0:46:43.458 I don't know whether all of you[br]have seen what I just saw... 0:46:43.583,0:46:46.250 ...but I want to associate myself[br]and this program... 0:46:46.375,0:46:47.958 ...with what Ed Murrow[br]has just said... 0:46:48.083,0:46:50.792 ...and say I have never been[br]prouder of CBS. 0:46:53.708,0:46:57.750 Senator McCarthy said today that he[br]would demand equal free television... 0:47:02.583,0:47:06.458 Stevenson had charged that the Senator[br]made demagoguery and deceit... 0:47:06.750,0:47:08.500 ...the national policy... 0:47:11.208,0:47:13.333 - Is that Hollenbeck?[br]- Congratulations! 0:47:13.458,0:47:14.458 Great show! 0:47:15.333,0:47:16.583 Feel like a Scotch? 0:47:17.208,0:47:19.250 I think everybody[br]could use a Scotch. 0:48:10.917,0:48:14.083 - It's 3:30, early editions are out.[br]- I'm not worried about that. 0:48:14.208,0:48:15.833 Of course not.[br]Shirley, honey... 0:48:15.958,0:48:18.875 ...would you go across the street[br]and get the early editions? 0:48:19.000,0:48:20.917 - All of them?[br]- Just get O'Brian! 0:48:23.583,0:48:25.458 - Hey, watch my drink![br]- Yeah. 0:48:57.833,0:48:59.625 Okay. Here we go. 0:49:00.250,0:49:03.125 - At last![br]- The Times. - The Times... 0:49:03.292,0:49:04.292 - First?[br]- Good. 0:49:05.000,0:49:06.792 - Who wrote it?[br]- Jack Gould. 0:49:07.375,0:49:08.667 Gould... 0:49:09.208,0:49:12.667 Edward R. Murrows television program[br]on Senator Joseph R. McCarthy... 0:49:12.792,0:49:16.583 ...was an exciting and provocative[br]examination of the man and his methods. 0:49:16.708,0:49:20.208 It was crusading journalism[br]of high responsibility and courage. 0:49:20.333,0:49:23.042 For TV so often plagued[br]by timidity and hesitation... 0:49:23.167,0:49:26.917 ...the program was a milestone[br]that reflected enlightened citizenship. 0:49:27.083,0:49:28.292 The program... Hold on! 0:49:28.417,0:49:31.167 The program was no less[br]an indictment of those who wish... 0:49:31.292,0:49:34.333 ...the problems posed[br]by the Senator's tactics and theatrics... 0:49:34.458,0:49:36.417 ...would just go away[br]and leave them alone. 0:49:36.542,0:49:39.458 That was Mr. Murrows[br]and television's triumph... 0:49:39.583,0:49:41.083 ...and a very great one. 0:49:44.500,0:49:45.583 Here! Here! 0:49:45.792,0:49:47.875 - He hated it.[br]- Yeah. What's his beef? 0:49:48.542,0:49:50.375 Send the New YorkTimes[br]abottle of Scotch. 0:49:50.500,0:49:52.500 I already did. How do you think[br]we got that review? 0:49:52.625,0:49:54.542 - How's the Post?[br]- Pretty good! 0:49:55.292,0:49:57.250 - What about O'Brian?[br]- Uh, the same. 0:49:58.792,0:50:01.792 - Goon, read O'Brian![br]- I don't have it. 0:50:01.917,0:50:03.333 - Got it.[br]- Oh. Here. 0:50:05.625,0:50:07.458 - There we go.[br]- Shirley, that... 0:50:11.125,0:50:14.667 We can't say we were surprised at[br]Murrows "Hate McCarthy" telecast... 0:50:14.792,0:50:17.708 ...last evening, when his explosively[br]one-sided propaganda... 0:50:17.833,0:50:21.125 ...edited with deviously clever[br]selectivity from McCarthy's march... 0:50:21.250,0:50:23.625 ...against Communism,[br]was finished last evening... 0:50:23.750,0:50:27.125 ...by equally Machiavellian coincidence[br]the following telecast... 0:50:27.250,0:50:30.208 ...featured Murrow's PM protege,[br]Hollenbeck. 0:50:31.000,0:50:33.333 In an obviously gloating mood,[br]Hollenbeck... 0:50:33.458,0:50:36.875 ...hoped viewers had witnessed[br]his patron's triumph... 0:50:37.000,0:50:38.292 ...from and for the Left. 0:50:39.500,0:50:40.667 Soon. Soon... 0:50:40.792,0:50:42.875 Shirley, it's okay.[br]Go ahead, finish it. 0:50:43.000,0:50:46.125 - No, that's it. That's it.[br]- Shirley, please, finish it. 0:50:49.333,0:50:53.958 The CBS has been in a lengthy[br]"clean house of Lefties" mood. 0:50:54.083,0:50:55.750 The worst offenders[br]on lesser levels... 0:50:55.875,0:50:58.042 ...have been quietly[br]pushed out of the company. 0:50:58.167,0:51:02.083 Don Hollenbeck, a graduate[br]of the demised pinko publication PM... 0:51:02.208,0:51:05.958 ...attacked conservative papers[br]with sly and slanted propaganda. 0:51:06.083,0:51:08.375 He then proceeded[br]through an equally... 0:51:10.250,0:51:12.000 ...tilted review of the day's events... 0:51:12.125,0:51:15.458 ...with McCarthy dominating his words,[br]actions, attitudes. 0:51:16.458,0:51:17.417 Soon. 0:51:20.250,0:51:23.125 - It's O'Brian. - He didn't get[br]the Scotch, that's all. 0:51:23.625,0:51:26.625 - Is it grammatically correct?[br]- I'll have that cigarette, Ed. 0:51:28.208,0:51:31.208 - Thanks, Shirley.[br]- Oh. - Mmh. - Thank you. 0:51:31.417,0:51:33.667 Joe... Shirley... 0:51:38.625,0:51:39.875 It doesn't matter. 0:51:45.167,0:51:46.250 To Jack Gould! 0:51:47.417,0:51:50.250 - To Jack! To Jack! To Jack Gould![br]- To Jack Gould! 0:51:50.375,0:51:51.333 I love Jack Gould! 0:51:53.333,0:51:54.833 May he rest in peace. 0:51:57.083,0:51:59.875 - Hello, Jimmy.[br]- Fred, congratulations! - Thank you. 0:52:00.708,0:52:03.042 I got such a hangover[br]to go along with the ulcer. 0:52:03.167,0:52:05.000 All the adguys on the 3rd floor[br]watched the show. 0:52:05.125,0:52:07.083 Got a good review[br]in the New York Times. Jack Gould. 0:52:07.208,0:52:08.542 We're putting out a press release... 0:52:08.667,0:52:11.500 ...saying that calls came in[br]15 to 1 in favor of the show. - Really? 0:52:11.625,0:52:13.958 - Yeah. - 15 to 1?[br]- We got calls from everywhere. 0:52:14.292,0:52:17.583 - East Coast or West Coast?[br]- Yeah. Kansas City, Cincinnati... 0:52:18.625,0:52:19.708 Mr. Paley... 0:52:20.833,0:52:22.958 - Morning, Fred.[br]- Morning, Mr. Paley. 0:52:28.042,0:52:29.083 How's your wife? 0:52:29.583,0:52:31.708 She's fine.[br]We're getting ready to move. 0:52:31.833,0:52:34.875 - Really? Where to? - Riverdale.[br]We found a nice house there. 0:52:35.000,0:52:35.958 It's nice there. 0:52:36.833,0:52:37.875 Yes, sir. 0:52:44.958,0:52:45.917 Excuse me. 0:52:46.167,0:52:49.958 Fred! McCarthy wants William Buckey[br]to do his rebuttal. 0:52:51.250,0:52:52.292 I said no. 0:52:54.125,0:52:55.125 Yes, sir. 0:53:01.542,0:53:02.500 Hey, Johnny! 0:53:02.792,0:53:05.000 - Radulovich has been reinstated.[br]- What?! 0:53:05.125,0:53:07.833 Radulovich... Guys![br]Radulovich has been reinstated. 0:53:07.958,0:53:09.792 - Jesse! Jesse![br]- Where is Ed? 0:53:09.917,0:53:12.417 - He's in the bullpen. Why?[br]What's going on? - Jess! 0:53:12.542,0:53:14.000 Got some very good news. 0:53:14.667,0:53:17.708 Special announcement[br]from the Secretary of the Air Force! 0:53:17.833,0:53:19.833 Fellas! Listen up! Everyone! 0:53:20.708,0:53:22.833 I have decided[br]that it is consistent... 0:53:22.958,0:53:25.667 ...with the interests[br]of the National Security to retain... 0:53:25.792,0:53:29.042 ...Lieutenant Radulovich[br]in the United States Air Force. Stop. 0:53:29.250,0:53:32.542 He is not, in my opinion,[br]a security risk. Fullstop. 0:53:35.208,0:53:38.792 There you go. Harold E. Talbott,[br]Secretary from the Air Force. 0:53:39.500,0:53:40.458 Great job! 0:53:40.583,0:53:42.458 - Make a copy of that for me![br]- I will do, Fred! 0:53:42.583,0:53:44.500 Back to work, guys![br]We got a lot of work to do. 0:53:44.625,0:53:45.833 This means something. 0:53:45.958,0:53:47.500 - Good news, huh?[br]- Congratulations! 0:53:47.625,0:53:51.625 - This absolutely means something.[br]- Absolutely. This is the start of... 0:53:58.667,0:53:59.625 Palmer! 0:54:02.750,0:54:04.750 The CBS lawyers wanna talk to you. 0:54:08.375,0:54:09.375 When? 0:54:10.000,0:54:11.083 Tomorrow. 0:54:12.042,0:54:15.375 I don't want you to get paranoid,[br]they're talking to everybody. 0:54:15.500,0:54:16.500 Any ideas? 0:54:18.125,0:54:19.708 Just tell them what you know. 0:54:19.833,0:54:22.500 - Now is that testimony true?[br]- No, sir, it is not. 0:54:22.625,0:54:25.792 Not at any time have I been[br]a member of the Communist Party... 0:54:25.917,0:54:28.208 ...and I have never seen[br]a Communist card. 0:54:28.333,0:54:30.625 - You've never seen a Communist card?[br]- That's right. 0:54:30.750,0:54:32.667 Have you ever attended[br]any Communist meetings? 0:54:32.792,0:54:34.375 No, sir, never. 0:54:34.500,0:54:36.708 Have you ever subscribed[br]to The Daily Worker? 0:54:36.833,0:54:40.583 No, sir. I didn't subscribe to it[br]and I wouldn't pay for it. 0:54:41.417,0:54:46.583 Uh... Now, Mrs. Markward,[br]who was working for the FBI... 0:54:47.333,0:54:50.625 ...who joined the Communist Party[br]under orders from the FBI... 0:54:50.792,0:54:53.917 ...has testified that while[br]she never met you personally... 0:54:54.167,0:54:57.333 ...at a Communist meeting[br]that your name was on the list... 0:54:57.458,0:54:59.583 ...of Communists[br]who were paying dues. 0:55:00.125,0:55:02.833 Uh... Can you shed[br]any light upon that? 0:55:03.750,0:55:06.583 No, sir. I don't even know[br]what the dues are... 0:55:06.792,0:55:10.250 ...or where they were paid.[br]- So you have never paid any money... 0:55:11.333,0:55:13.125 ...to the Communist Party. 0:55:13.917,0:55:15.583 - Is that correct?[br]- That's right. 0:55:15.792,0:55:17.875 You've never paid[br]any dues, payment... 0:55:18.000,0:55:19.625 Thank you very much, Leo! 0:55:20.583,0:55:22.375 Good work, Joe, Charlie. 0:55:23.042,0:55:24.333 Now what is the show? 0:55:24.458,0:55:27.167 Is it defending Annie Lee Moss[br]as not being a Communist? 0:55:27.292,0:55:29.833 - Or is ither Constitutional rights?[br]- Both. - The latter. 0:55:29.958,0:55:32.375 We're much better sticking out[br]the Constitutional issues. 0:55:32.500,0:55:34.167 - Agreed?[br]- The woman is not a Communist spy. 0:55:34.292,0:55:36.875 Joe McCarthy said that they have[br]a spy in the Pentagon... 0:55:37.000,0:55:38.667 ...that spy has gotten[br]into the code room... 0:55:38.792,0:55:40.500 ...and that that spy[br]is Annie Lee Moss. 0:55:40.625,0:55:43.083 I've got New York Times reports.[br]McCarthy asserts he has... 0:55:43.208,0:55:46.000 ...a new red link to Army. Quote,[br]"Senator McCarthy charged today..." 0:55:46.125,0:55:48.625 "...that the Army now employs[br]a woman in its code room..." 0:55:48.750,0:55:51.292 "...who was, and still may be,[br]an active Communist." 0:55:51.417,0:55:52.875 It's the front page[br]of the New York Times. 0:55:53.000,0:55:56.625 No sooner is he done chastising the[br]other committee members for wanting... 0:55:56.750,0:55:59.667 ...to push into the afternoon,[br]than what? Seven questions in... 0:55:59.792,0:56:01.375 ...he ducks out, leaves...[br]- Right. 0:56:01.500,0:56:04.458 - Heleaves. - It's all over[br]the headlines, all over the country. 0:56:04.583,0:56:06.125 Get me copies from any newspaper... 0:56:06.250,0:56:07.833 ...that printed anything[br]about that assertion. 0:56:07.958,0:56:11.250 That's a good idea. You should get[br]the Cincinnati Inquirer. 0:56:11.375,0:56:14.375 - Chicago. - Couple other pieces[br]I think we should include. 0:56:14.500,0:56:17.583 The fact that there's 3 Annie Lee Moss's[br]in the phone book. 0:56:17.708,0:56:20.708 There are 2 Robert Halls,[br]one's colored, one's white. 0:56:20.833,0:56:22.708 We have some footage[br]of the empty chair. 0:56:22.833,0:56:25.958 I think that says it all.[br]Just that picture of McCarthy not... 0:56:26.083,0:56:28.875 McCarthy leaving the hearing[br]after 7 questions... 0:56:29.000,0:56:31.125 ...and then we'll cut[br]to the shot of thechair. 0:56:31.250,0:56:33.917 - We gotta do something about it.[br]- All right, so... 0:56:34.000,0:56:37.833 Excuse me. Mr. Murrow![br]McCarthy wants April 6th. 0:56:41.667,0:56:42.917 Thank you, Natalie. 0:56:47.583,0:56:50.792 Fine. If Charlie shoots it, we get[br]to see it first. We should offer. 0:56:50.917,0:56:53.458 - It's a long shot.[br]- What the hell could McCarthy do? 0:56:53.583,0:56:56.042 Is he gonna debate himself?[br]We just used his words! 0:56:59.417,0:57:01.583 Johnny! Johnny! We know[br]what it's going to be. 0:57:01.708,0:57:04.667 He's going to come after me.[br]There's nothing more he can do. 0:57:04.792,0:57:07.250 He's gonna bet that[br]a Senator trumps a newsman. 0:57:08.208,0:57:09.208 He'll lose. 0:57:09.667,0:57:11.250 Not if we're playing bridge. 0:57:13.000,0:57:15.833 - I'm sorry, guys. I didn't mean[br]to interrupt. - Hey, Don. 0:57:15.958,0:57:18.083 - It's getting fun now![br]- Ed, you have aminute? 0:57:18.583,0:57:22.167 - Yes, I'll be right there.[br]- All right, boys. Playtime's over. 0:57:22.583,0:57:23.917 We have 4 days... 0:57:24.208,0:57:26.667 ...to do a 29 minute show.[br]- Yeah. - All right. 0:57:26.792,0:57:28.208 All right, go ahead.[br]Hi, Mary. 0:57:28.333,0:57:30.000 Hello, Mr. Hollenbeck.[br]Mr. Murrow... 0:57:30.125,0:57:31.917 - Could you give us a moment?[br]- Sure. 0:57:33.833,0:57:34.875 Thank you, dear. 0:57:36.667,0:57:39.333 I have to ask you something, Ed.[br]It's about O'Brian. 0:57:39.458,0:57:41.333 - O'Brian doesn'tmatter.[br]- He's killing me, Ed. 0:57:41.458,0:57:43.208 He doesn't amount to that much[br]in the newsroom. 0:57:43.333,0:57:44.708 We've got to let that guy have it. 0:57:44.833,0:57:48.083 We're not going after O'Brian. I will[br]not take on McCarthy and Hearst. 0:57:48.208,0:57:49.458 I can't defeat them both. 0:57:50.583,0:57:53.833 Just don't read the papers.[br]Or don't read O'Brian, anyway. 0:57:59.083,0:58:01.333 Okay. I guess not. 0:58:02.667,0:58:03.708 Sorry, Don. 0:58:17.833,0:58:19.667 Although Mrs. Moss[br]offered to testify... 0:58:19.792,0:58:22.875 ...Senator McCarthy suggested[br]that she was too sick. 0:58:23.000,0:58:26.667 - She agreed... - Mr. Cohn wanted[br]to know about Mrs. Moss's connection... 0:58:26.792,0:58:30.417 ...to tell the truth, the whole truth,[br]and nothing but the truth... 0:58:30.542,0:58:31.667 ...so help you God? 0:58:35.500,0:58:38.167 May we get your full name[br]for the record, please? 0:58:38.542,0:58:39.833 Annie Lee Moss. 0:58:41.000,0:58:42.625 - M-O-S-S?[br]- That's right. 0:58:43.000,0:58:46.208 Mrs. Moss, let me say for the record,[br]for your information... 0:58:46.333,0:58:48.500 ...for the information[br]of your counsel... 0:58:49.042,0:58:50.958 ...that you are not here because... 0:58:52.333,0:58:57.333 ...you are considered important[br]in the Communist apparatus. 0:58:57.500,0:59:00.958 We have the testimony that you are,[br]and have been, a Communist. 0:59:02.208,0:59:05.542 We are rather curious, however,[br]to kno whow you suddenly... 0:59:06.875,0:59:08.250 ...were shifted from... 0:59:10.208,0:59:13.208 ...a worker in a cafeteria[br]to the code room. 0:59:13.542,0:59:16.792 I am today much more interested... 0:59:17.583,0:59:21.250 ...in the handling of your case... 0:59:22.042,0:59:25.208 ...by your superiors[br]than in your own personal activities. 0:59:25.625,0:59:29.750 However, counsel will question you[br]about your own activities also. 0:59:30.125,0:59:33.167 - Mr. Chairman![br]- We will not hear from counsel. 0:59:33.792,0:59:35.750 You have been told what the rule is. 0:59:36.083,0:59:39.083 If you have anything to say,[br]say it through your client. 0:59:42.792,0:59:46.500 Chairman. Did you begin work[br]at the General Accounting Office in... 0:59:47.417,0:59:49.583 ...1945?[br]- Yes, sir. 0:59:50.500,0:59:54.708 And, prior to that time,[br]had you been a cafeteria worker? 0:59:54.833,0:59:56.125 Yes, I had. 0:59:56.458,1:00:00.750 I see. While in the Pentagon,[br]since 1950... 1:00:01.125,1:00:03.833 ...have you had any connections[br]with coded messages? 1:00:03.958,1:00:05.875 Have you ever handled[br]coded messages? 1:00:07.000,1:00:09.500 - No more than to transmit 'em.[br]- Pardon me? 1:00:09.833,1:00:12.000 No more than to transmit[br]the message. 1:00:12.125,1:00:14.458 Than to transmit them?[br]Did you transmit codes? 1:00:14.583,1:00:17.250 To receive or transmit messages[br]was all I had to do. 1:00:17.375,1:00:19.958 And I've never been[br]into a courtroom in my life. 1:00:20.542,1:00:21.792 Do you know the... 1:00:23.833,1:00:25.458 ...type of classification... 1:00:25.583,1:00:29.708 - Do you know if they were secret,[br]top secret, confidential? - No, sir. 1:00:30.000,1:00:33.333 - You wouldn't know the degree[br]of classification? - No, sir. 1:00:33.792,1:00:34.792 I see. 1:00:36.083,1:00:39.167 I'm afraid I'm going[br]to have to excuse myself, I've got... 1:00:40.375,1:00:44.375 ...a rather important appointment[br]to work on right now... 1:00:44.500,1:00:48.708 ...and I wonder if, Senator Mundt,[br]you would takeover as Chairman? 1:00:53.708,1:00:55.208 - Chairman. Uh...[br]- Cohn. 1:00:55.333,1:00:58.333 I have no further questions[br]of this witness at this time. 1:00:58.458,1:01:02.542 We have the testimony of Mrs. Markward,[br]the undercover agent for the FBI... 1:01:02.875,1:01:06.375 ...stating that Annie Lee Moss[br]was a member, a dues-paying member... 1:01:06.500,1:01:08.208 ...of the Communist Party... 1:01:08.708,1:01:10.958 ...the Northeast Club[br]of the Communist Party. 1:01:11.083,1:01:14.375 We have corroboration[br]of that testimony by another... 1:01:15.417,1:01:17.625 ...witness who was called[br]before the Committee... 1:01:17.750,1:01:19.542 ...and gave a sworn statement[br]to the effect... 1:01:19.667,1:01:22.333 ...that she also knew Mrs. Moss[br]as a member... 1:01:22.417,1:01:24.417 ...of the Northeast Club[br]of the Communist Party. 1:01:24.542,1:01:28.750 She's already lost her job. She's been[br]suspended because of this action. 1:01:29.542,1:01:33.042 I'm not defending her. If she's[br]a Communist, I want her exposed. 1:01:33.417,1:01:37.042 But to make these statements[br]as we've got corroborating evidence... 1:01:37.542,1:01:40.667 ...that she is a Communist,[br]under these circumstances... 1:01:40.792,1:01:44.375 ...I think she's entitled to have it[br]produced here in her presence... 1:01:44.583,1:01:47.833 ...and let the public know about it[br]and let her know about it. 1:01:51.292,1:01:54.542 I don't like to try people[br]by hearsay evidence. 1:01:55.958,1:01:58.667 I'd like to get the witnesses here[br]and try them... 1:02:00.417,1:02:02.083 ...by testimony, under oath. 1:02:02.417,1:02:05.958 The Chair will rule[br]that the comment of Mr. Cohn... 1:02:06.083,1:02:07.667 ...be stricken from the record. 1:02:07.958,1:02:10.458 I didnt ask that, Mr. Chairman! 1:02:10.583,1:02:13.167 ...whether we should try to produce[br]a witness in public... 1:02:13.292,1:02:16.458 ...because the FBI may have[br]her undercover and we don't want to... 1:02:16.583,1:02:21.083 You can't strike these statements[br]made by counsel here as to evidence... 1:02:21.208,1:02:25.375 ...that we're having and withholding.[br]You cannot strike that from the press... 1:02:25.500,1:02:30.583 ...nor from the public mind[br]once it's planted there. That's the... 1:02:32.542,1:02:33.833 ...evil of it! 1:02:34.167,1:02:37.333 - Well, I'd look at it...[br]- I don't think it's fair to a witness... 1:02:37.458,1:02:38.875 ...to a citizen of this country... 1:02:39.000,1:02:41.042 ...to bring them up here[br]and cross-examine them... 1:02:41.167,1:02:42.542 ...then when they get through, say... 1:02:42.667,1:02:45.583 ..."The FBI has got something on you[br]that condemns you." 1:02:45.708,1:02:48.375 - The Chair agrees...[br]- It is not sworn testimony... 1:02:48.500,1:02:52.083 ...it's convicting people[br]by rumor and hearsay and innuendo. 1:02:53.792,1:02:57.375 You will notice that neither Senator[br]McClellan or Senator Symington... 1:02:57.500,1:03:01.792 ...nor this reporter know or claim[br]that Mrs. Moss was or is a Communist. 1:03:02.458,1:03:06.917 They simply claimed that she had the[br]right to meet her accusers face to face. 1:03:21.833,1:03:25.875 One month ago tonight we presented[br]a report on Senator Joseph R. McCarthy. 1:03:26.333,1:03:28.083 We labeled it as controversial. 1:03:28.667,1:03:32.292 Most of that report consisted[br]of words and pictures of the Senator. 1:03:32.917,1:03:34.417 At that time, we said... 1:03:34.625,1:03:38.500 ..."If theSenator believes we havedone[br]violence to his words or pictures..." 1:03:38.625,1:03:41.167 "...if he desires to speak,[br]to answer himself..." 1:03:41.292,1:03:44.375 "...an opportunity would be[br]afforded him on this program." 1:03:44.708,1:03:48.375 The Senator sought the opportunity[br]after 3 weeks... 1:03:48.500,1:03:52.542 ...because he was very busy and wished[br]adequate time to prepare his reply. 1:03:53.125,1:03:54.125 We agreed. 1:03:54.667,1:03:58.792 We placed no restrictions on the manner[br]of the presentation of his reply... 1:03:58.958,1:04:02.000 ...and we suggested that we would not[br]take time to comment... 1:04:02.125,1:04:03.833 ...on this particular program. 1:04:04.417,1:04:08.333 Here now is Senator Joseph R. McCarthy,[br]junior Senator from Wisconsin. 1:04:09.792,1:04:16.083 Good evening. Mr. Edward R. Murrow,[br]Educational Director of the CBS... 1:04:17.125,1:04:19.417 ...devoted his program[br]to an attack... 1:04:19.542,1:04:22.708 ...on the work ofthe US Senate[br]Investigating Committee... 1:04:23.167,1:04:25.333 ...and on me personally[br]as its Chairman. 1:04:26.208,1:04:29.792 Now, over the past 4 years,[br]he has made repeated attacks upon me... 1:04:30.292,1:04:32.042 ...and those fighting Communists. 1:04:33.500,1:04:36.667 Of course, neither Joe McCarthy[br]nor Edward R. Murrow... 1:04:37.375,1:04:40.250 ...is of any great importance[br]as individuals. 1:04:41.375,1:04:42.833 We are only important... 1:04:43.208,1:04:47.208 ...in our relation to the great struggle[br]to preserve our American liberties. 1:04:47.708,1:04:52.375 Now ordinarily, I wouldnt take time[br]out from the important work at hand... 1:04:53.167,1:04:54.375 ...to answer Murrow. 1:04:54.917,1:04:56.417 However, in this case... 1:04:56.542,1:05:00.292 ...I feel justified in doing so[br]because Murrow is the symbol... 1:05:01.083,1:05:02.125 ...the leader... 1:05:02.458,1:05:07.542 ...and the cleverest of the jackal pack[br]which is always found at the throat... 1:05:08.000,1:05:12.000 ...of anyone who dares to expose[br]individual Communists and traitors. 1:05:13.208,1:05:15.125 And I am compelled by the fact... 1:05:15.583,1:05:18.042 ...to say to you[br]that Mr. Edward R. Murrow... 1:05:18.667,1:05:21.167 ...as far back as 20 years ago... 1:05:21.875,1:05:25.250 ...was engaged in propaganda[br]for Communist causes. 1:05:26.500,1:05:29.500 For example, the Institute[br]of International Education... 1:05:29.750,1:05:31.958 ...of which he was[br]the Acting Director... 1:05:32.583,1:05:35.500 ...was chosen to act[br]as a representative... 1:05:35.917,1:05:37.542 ...by a Soviet agency... 1:05:38.708,1:05:44.083 ...to do a job which would normally[br]be done by the Russian secret police. 1:05:45.042,1:05:48.667 Mr. Murrow, by his own admission,[br]was a member of the IWW... 1:05:48.792,1:05:51.292 ...that's the Industrial Workers[br]of the World... 1:05:51.417,1:05:54.167 ...a terrorist organization[br]cited as subversive... 1:05:54.792,1:05:57.250 ...by an Attorney General[br]of the United States. 1:05:57.458,1:06:00.750 Mr. Murrow said on this program[br]and I quote... 1:06:01.583,1:06:05.250 ..."The actions of the junior[br]Senator from Wisconsin..." 1:06:06.625,1:06:10.625 "...have given considerable comfort[br]to the enemy." 1:06:11.292,1:06:15.167 That is the language of our statute[br]of treason, rather strong language. 1:06:15.958,1:06:21.292 If I am giving comfort to our enemies,[br]I ought not to be in the Senate. 1:06:21.625,1:06:23.500 If, on the other hand,[br]Mr. Murrow... 1:06:24.000,1:06:26.042 ...is giving comfort to our enemies... 1:06:26.333,1:06:28.750 ...he ought not to be brought[br]into the homes... 1:06:29.000,1:06:32.542 ...of millions of Americans[br]by the CBS. 1:06:32.708,1:06:34.125 And I want to assure you... 1:06:35.292,1:06:38.250 ...that I will not be deterred... 1:06:39.042,1:06:44.833 ...by the attacks of the Murrows,[br]the Lattimores, the Fosters... 1:06:45.667,1:06:49.583 ...The Daily Worker[br]or the Communist Party itself. 1:06:51.792,1:06:54.875 And I make no claim to leadership. 1:06:57.208,1:06:58.750 Incomplete humility... 1:07:00.625,1:07:04.708 ...I do ask you and every American[br]who loves this country... 1:07:05.458,1:07:07.042 ...to join with me. 1:07:35.125,1:07:37.167 [Everyone talks about the weather.] 1:07:38.042,1:07:40.833 [Wherever you look[br]on America's modern farms...] 1:07:41.167,1:07:45.583 [... aluminum is on the job, helping the[br]farmer do something about the weather.] 1:07:46.500,1:07:49.708 [Aluminum for the farm[br]is one more example of how Alcoa...] 1:07:49.833,1:07:51.167 [... since 1999...] 1:07:51.542,1:07:55.333 [... has continued to pioneer[br]new uses for this vital metal.] 1:07:55.958,1:08:00.042 [New uses of aluminum that mean[br]better farms and better farming.] 1:08:00.708,1:08:04.333 The aluminum from the nation's[br]first and leading producer...] 1:08:04.958,1:08:08.375 [... Alcoa,[br]Aluminum Company of America.] 1:08:08.917,1:08:11.375 Last week, Senator McCarthy[br]appeared on this program... 1:08:11.500,1:08:13.958 ...to correct any errors[br]he might have thought we made... 1:08:14.083,1:08:15.625 ...in our report of March 9th. 1:08:15.750,1:08:19.125 Since he made no reference to any[br]statements of fact that we made... 1:08:19.250,1:08:21.958 ...we must conclude[br]that he found no errors of fact. 1:08:22.917,1:08:25.375 He proved again[br]that anyone who exposes him... 1:08:25.500,1:08:30.083 ...anyone who doesn't share his disregard[br]for decency and human dignity... 1:08:30.250,1:08:32.708 ...and the rights[br]guaranteed by the Constitution... 1:08:32.833,1:08:35.500 ...must be either a Communist[br]or a fellow traveler. 1:08:36.125,1:08:37.875 I fully expected this treatment. 1:08:38.708,1:08:42.125 The Senator added this reporter's name[br]to a long list of individuals... 1:08:42.250,1:08:45.708 ...and institutions he has accused[br]of serving the Communist cause. 1:08:46.125,1:08:47.833 His proposition is very simple: 1:08:48.208,1:08:51.667 ...anyone who criticizes or opposes[br]Senator McCarthy's methods... 1:08:51.917,1:08:53.292 ...must be a Communist. 1:08:54.042,1:08:57.750 And if that be true, there are[br]an awful lot of Communists in the USA. 1:08:58.458,1:09:02.042 For the record, let's consider briefly[br]some of the Senator's charges. 1:09:02.167,1:09:04.208 He claimed, but offered no proof... 1:09:04.333,1:09:07.625 ...that I had been a member of the[br]Industrial Workers of the World. 1:09:07.750,1:09:08.875 That is false. 1:09:09.542,1:09:13.250 I was never a member ofthe IWW,[br]never applied for membership. 1:09:14.417,1:09:16.958 The Senator charged[br]that Professor Harold Laski... 1:09:17.083,1:09:20.083 ...a British scholar and politician,[br]dedicated a book to me. 1:09:20.208,1:09:21.250 That's true. 1:09:21.583,1:09:25.000 He is dead.[br]He was a socialist, I am not. 1:09:26.083,1:09:27.750 He was a civilized individual... 1:09:27.875,1:09:31.083 ...who did not insist upon agreement[br]with his political principles... 1:09:31.208,1:09:34.000 ...as a pre-condition[br]for conversation or friendship. 1:09:34.458,1:09:36.667 I do not agree[br]with his political ideas. 1:09:37.625,1:09:40.083 I ask, as he makes clear[br]in the introduction... 1:09:40.208,1:09:43.625 ...dedicated the book to me,[br]not because of political agreement... 1:09:43.750,1:09:47.542 ...but because he held my wartime[br]broadcast from London in high regard. 1:09:48.083,1:09:49.750 And the dedication so reads. 1:09:51.375,1:09:53.792 I believed 20 years ago[br]and I believe today... 1:09:54.292,1:09:57.875 ...that mature Americans can engage[br]in conversation and controversy... 1:09:58.000,1:10:01.208 ...the clash of ideas, with Communists[br]anywhere in the world... 1:10:01.333,1:10:03.833 ...without becoming[br]contaminated or converted. 1:10:04.667,1:10:07.208 I believe that our faith,[br]our conviction... 1:10:07.625,1:10:10.083 ...our determination[br]are stronger than theirs... 1:10:10.417,1:10:14.792 ...and that we can successfully compete,[br]not only in the area of bombs... 1:10:15.292,1:10:17.083 ...but in the area of ideas. 1:10:19.375,1:10:22.042 I have worked with CBS[br]for more than 19 years. 1:10:22.417,1:10:26.125 The company has subscribed fully[br]to my integrity and responsibility... 1:10:26.250,1:10:28.625 ...as a broadcaster[br]and as a loyal American. 1:10:29.500,1:10:32.917 I require no lectures from the junior[br]Senator from Wisconsin... 1:10:33.042,1:10:35.625 ...as to the dangers[br]or terrors of Communism. 1:10:36.792,1:10:39.125 Having searched my conscience[br]and my files... 1:10:39.250,1:10:42.250 ...I cannot contend that[br]I have always been right or wise... 1:10:42.375,1:10:45.458 ...but I have attempted to pursue[br]thet ruth with diligence... 1:10:45.583,1:10:46.667 ...and to report it... 1:10:46.792,1:10:49.833 ...even though, as in this case,[br]I had been warned in advance... 1:10:49.958,1:10:53.458 ...that I would be subjected[br]to the attentions of Senator McCarthy. 1:10:54.458,1:10:58.542 We shall hope to deal with matters[br]of more vital interest next week. 1:10:59.417,1:11:01.042 Good night, and good luck. 1:11:08.792,1:11:12.542 In the last analysis, the Senator was[br]perched on the television high dive... 1:11:12.667,1:11:14.917 ...and all prepared[br]to make a resounding splash. 1:11:15.042,1:11:17.708 He jumped beautifully,[br]but he neglected to check first... 1:11:17.833,1:11:20.583 ...where he was going to land.[br]It must have been a shock... 1:11:20.667,1:11:24.167 ...to discover that Mr. Murrow[br]had drained the water out of the pool. 1:11:25.083,1:11:27.625 - Is that the Times? Gould?[br]- Yeah, it's Jack Gould. 1:11:27.750,1:11:29.792 - He's a hell of a writer.[br]- Yes, he is. 1:11:30.458,1:11:33.083 - If we can afford him![br]- Stanton's got a public opinion... 1:11:33.167,1:11:34.750 Senate's investigating McCarthy. 1:11:35.875,1:11:36.875 What? 1:11:37.042,1:11:40.625 The Army's charging that McCarthy[br]and Cohn exercised undue pressure... 1:11:40.750,1:11:44.083 ...to get preferential treatment[br]for Schine. - Who's the source? 1:11:44.208,1:11:48.208 - Got a second source? - There isn't,[br]but this is coming out in 2 hours. 1:11:48.333,1:11:51.625 - Who's heading up the investigation?[br]- It's not gonna be McCarthy! 1:11:51.750,1:11:53.500 - Really?[br]- What happened? 1:11:53.708,1:11:56.542 - Also get me the Washington Post![br]- What's going on? 1:11:56.667,1:11:58.125 It's Williams[br]for Jack Thompson. 1:11:58.250,1:12:00.000 The Senate's investigating McCarthy. 1:12:00.875,1:12:02.958 There is an added bit of comedy[br]to this whole story. 1:12:03.083,1:12:05.042 The Committee cannot convene[br]for several days... 1:12:05.167,1:12:07.875 ...because Senator McCarthy[br]has a slight case of laryngitis. 1:12:08.000,1:12:11.833 And he must recover[br]over the desert air of Arizona. 1:12:15.167,1:12:18.667 - But Stevens is going after him[br]and it looks like Joe Welch. - Yeah. 1:12:18.792,1:12:21.167 They're gonna allow each side[br]to call witnesses... 1:12:21.292,1:12:23.083 ...and be privy to other testimony. 1:12:23.417,1:12:27.250 - Fred, we still have a meeting![br]- We're gonna go to talk toThompson. 1:12:29.833,1:12:31.292 No, thanks, Jack. Bye. 1:12:32.208,1:12:35.125 Freddy, we're a hit.[br]Right up there with "Howdy Dowdy"! 1:12:36.458,1:12:38.417 Can I have[br]an outlet satellite, please? 1:12:40.292,1:12:46.875 - 74, 76,47. Thank you.[br]- Murrayville3, 1-2-7-6. 1:13:06.875,1:13:10.000 The fact of newscaster[br]Don Hollenbeck's suicide yesterday... 1:13:10.125,1:13:14.042 ...does not remove from the record[br]that peculiar history... 1:13:14.792,1:13:19.792 ...of the leftist slanting of news[br]indulged consistently by the CBS. 1:13:21.208,1:13:24.417 Hollenbeck was what most astute[br]students of CBS's strange... 1:13:24.792,1:13:27.083 ...and questionable new methods[br]considered... 1:13:27.208,1:13:32.750 ..."typical of its newscasters".[br]By Jack O'Brian. 1:15:06.917,1:15:08.917 Oh, yeah. I like it like that. 1:15:11.208,1:15:15.083 One of the best programs I ever heard[br]was called "CBS Views The Press". 1:15:15.833,1:15:18.250 A great many people liked it,[br]some didn't... 1:15:18.667,1:15:21.250 ...but noone ever called it[br]anything but honest. 1:15:21.708,1:15:25.458 It was the work of an honest reporter.[br]Don Hollenbeck. 1:15:26.417,1:15:28.792 He also worked occasionally[br]on "See It Now'. 1:15:29.500,1:15:32.333 He did the 11 p.m. News[br]over some of these stations. 1:15:33.083,1:15:35.750 He had been sick lately[br]and he died this morning. 1:15:36.375,1:15:38.917 The police said[br]it was suicide... gas. 1:15:40.667,1:15:41.917 Not much of an obit. 1:15:42.417,1:15:45.542 But, at least we got our facts[br]straight, and it was brief. 1:15:46.625,1:15:49.125 And that's all Don Hollenbeck[br]would have asked. 1:15:50.125,1:15:51.875 Good night, and good luck. 1:15:57.542,1:15:59.625 Got to be in Philadelphia[br]this morning. 1:16:00.750,1:16:02.208 What time is your train? 1:16:03.333,1:16:04.292 9:00. 1:16:05.917,1:16:08.458 - Charlie going with you?[br]- Uh-huh. 1:16:17.458,1:16:18.667 Here's a thought. 1:16:20.542,1:16:21.875 What if we're wrong? 1:16:24.583,1:16:25.792 We're not wrong. 1:16:27.542,1:16:29.208 We're not going to look back... 1:16:31.292,1:16:33.375 ...and say we protected[br]the wrong side? 1:16:35.833,1:16:41.167 Protected them from what? In the name[br]of what? What would we be preserving? 1:16:42.292,1:16:45.667 Argument could bemade,[br]'for the greater good". 1:16:47.958,1:16:50.625 Not once you give it all away.[br]It's no good then. 1:16:52.375,1:16:53.708 It's just a thought. 1:17:00.458,1:17:05.167 Senator, may we not drop this? We know[br]he belonged to the Lawyer's Guild. 1:17:05.292,1:17:07.833 And Mr. Cohn nods his head at me. 1:17:08.083,1:17:11.875 - I did you, I think, no personal[br]injury, Mr. Cohn. - No, sir. 1:17:12.000,1:17:14.583 - I meant to do you[br]no personal injury. - No. 1:17:14.750,1:17:17.833 And if I did, I beg your pardon. 1:17:18.292,1:17:23.708 Let us not assassinate this lad[br]further, Senator. You've done enough. 1:17:24.083,1:17:27.583 - Let's... let's...[br]- Have you no sense of decency, sir? 1:17:27.833,1:17:32.917 At long last, have you left[br]no sense of decency? 1:17:33.333,1:17:37.292 - I know this hurts you, Mr. Welch.[br]- Senator, I think it hurts you, too. 1:17:37.458,1:17:40.917 - I'd like to finish this.[br]- Have you some private reservation... 1:17:41.042,1:17:44.792 ...when you take the oath[br]that you will tell the whole truth... 1:17:45.208,1:17:48.333 ...that lets you be the judge[br]of what you will testify to? 1:17:48.542,1:17:52.125 The answer is there's no reservation[br]about telling the whole truth. 1:17:52.292,1:17:57.667 Thank you, sir. Then tell us[br]who delivered the documents to you! 1:17:57.750,1:18:00.750 I don't want to mean that[br]this new fashion is not chic. 1:18:00.875,1:18:04.583 - I think it's just no good for me.[br]- Uh, not for you. 1:18:04.917,1:18:07.583 Milko, anything you care to say[br]on that subject? 1:18:07.708,1:18:09.042 I think no comment. 1:18:12.708,1:18:16.042 It's got to be there. If you can't[br]find it, I cant write about it. 1:18:16.167,1:18:18.542 - Check again.[br]- Charlie said he dropped it off. 1:18:18.667,1:18:21.792 - Charlie said he dropped...[br]- Shirley, can I see you a minute? 1:18:22.042,1:18:23.625 - I got to call you back.[br]- Joe! 1:18:23.792,1:18:24.750 You, too. 1:18:35.042,1:18:36.125 Close the door. 1:18:39.417,1:18:40.458 Have a seat. 1:18:44.125,1:18:47.208 - How are you?[br]- Fine, thank you. - Swell. Yeah. 1:18:47.917,1:18:50.958 Uh, you both are aware[br]that there's a policy at CBS... 1:18:51.083,1:18:53.167 ...that no two employees[br]can be married. 1:18:56.000,1:18:59.375 I want to ask you a question,[br]but I don't want you to answer it. 1:18:59.500,1:19:01.208 I want you to consider it. 1:19:02.417,1:19:04.042 I know you two are married. 1:19:06.167,1:19:07.250 Everyone knows. 1:19:08.458,1:19:09.708 That's not my question. 1:19:10.125,1:19:13.167 In the next few weeks[br]I have to lay off a couple of people. 1:19:13.292,1:19:16.083 We're making some significant cuts[br]across the board. 1:19:17.417,1:19:19.000 I wanted you to know that... 1:19:19.250,1:19:22.167 ...because you could save[br]someone else being fired. 1:19:24.375,1:19:28.208 I'm asking you to consider[br]makng this decision a little easier. 1:19:30.583,1:19:32.208 I don't need an answer now. 1:19:33.792,1:19:35.792 Just think about it. 1:19:37.458,1:19:38.458 Good. 1:19:50.417,1:19:51.625 - Well, Joe...[br]- Well? 1:19:52.042,1:19:55.250 - Sure we'regonna miss you[br]around here. - I'll pack my things. 1:19:58.542,1:20:01.208 - I think it's for the best.[br]- We'll find out! 1:20:03.875,1:20:05.125 Mrs. Wershba... 1:20:08.042,1:20:09.167 Everybody knew. 1:20:18.250,1:20:20.167 Natalie, did he say[br]what it was about? 1:20:20.250,1:20:23.125 No. Just that he wanted to talk[br]to you in his office. 1:20:38.875,1:20:39.958 Uh-oh! 1:20:43.417,1:20:46.833 The problem isn't simply[br]that you've lost your sponsor. 1:20:47.208,1:20:49.542 With Alcoa, "See It Now"[br]still loses money. 1:20:49.667,1:20:51.000 The fee is 50,000 dollars. 1:20:51.125,1:20:53.667 Last week's episode we did[br]for less than 50,000 dollars. 1:20:53.792,1:20:55.667 Fred, you're speakng[br]beyond your competence. 1:20:55.792,1:20:58.167 We'll certainly find another sponsor. 1:20:58.292,1:21:01.958 "64,000 Dollar Question" brings in[br]over 90,000 in sponsors... 1:21:02.083,1:21:04.250 ...and it costs one-third[br]of what youdo. 1:21:04.375,1:21:07.333 Ed, I've got Tuesday night[br]programming that's number one. 1:21:07.458,1:21:10.875 People want to enjoy themselves.[br]They don't want a civics lesson. 1:21:11.000,1:21:13.875 - What do you want, Bill?[br]- I don't want to get a stomachache... 1:21:14.000,1:21:16.458 ...every time you take on[br]a controversial subject. 1:21:18.208,1:21:21.250 I'm afraid that's the price[br]you have to be willing to pay. 1:21:22.667,1:21:25.625 Let's walk very carefully[br]through these next few moments. 1:21:25.750,1:21:28.125 The content of what we're doing[br]is more important... 1:21:28.250,1:21:31.583 ...than what some guy in Cincinnati...[br]- It's what you'redoing, Ed. Not me. 1:21:31.708,1:21:32.792 Not Frank Stanton. You. 1:21:33.167,1:21:37.167 "CBS News", "See It Now"[br]all belong to you, Bill. 1:21:37.250,1:21:38.375 You wouldn't know it. 1:21:40.167,1:21:44.917 - What is it you want? Credit?[br]- I never censored a single program. 1:21:45.917,1:21:50.292 I hold on to affiliates[br]who wanted entertainment from us. 1:21:50.708,1:21:52.458 I fight to keep the license... 1:21:52.583,1:21:55.917 ...with the very same politicians[br]that you are bringing down... 1:21:56.000,1:22:01.042 ...and I never,[br]never said no to you. Never. 1:22:02.458,1:22:05.542 I would argue that we have done[br]very well by one another. 1:22:06.708,1:22:08.583 I would argue that this network... 1:22:09.875,1:22:12.875 ...is defined by what the news[br]department has accomplished. 1:22:13.000,1:22:17.000 And I would also argue that never saying[br]no is not the same as not censoring. 1:22:17.125,1:22:20.250 Really? You should teach journalism.[br]You and Mr. Friendly. 1:22:26.667,1:22:27.958 Let me ask you this: 1:22:29.708,1:22:31.458 ...why didn't you correct McCarthy... 1:22:31.583,1:22:34.583 ...when he said that Alger Hiss[br]was convicted of treason? 1:22:34.833,1:22:38.458 He was only convicted of perjury.[br]You corrected everything else. 1:22:39.167,1:22:42.333 Did you not want the appearance[br]of defending a known Communist? 1:22:42.458,1:22:45.250 I would argue that everyone censors,[br]including you. 1:22:49.292,1:22:50.958 What do you want to do, Bill? 1:22:55.000,1:22:57.917 I'm takng your program[br]from a half an hour to an hour. 1:22:58.042,1:23:01.500 And it wont be a weekly program[br]and it won't be Tuesday nights. 1:23:02.167,1:23:04.500 - When would it be?[br]- Sunday afternoons. 1:23:08.042,1:23:10.292 - How many episodes?[br]- 5. 1:23:13.042,1:23:14.958 Why don't you just fire me, Bill? 1:23:15.125,1:23:17.458 I don't think[br]it's what either of us wants. 1:23:21.958,1:23:23.292 You owe me 5 shows. 1:23:33.333,1:23:35.917 - You won't like the subject matter.[br]- Probably not. 1:23:36.083,1:23:38.250 Fred, I'll need you for a moment. 1:23:53.000,1:23:55.292 - Thank you, Mary.[br]- Goodbye, Mr. Friendly. 1:24:01.542,1:24:04.833 - He wants me to lay a few people off.[br]- I'm sure he does. 1:24:05.042,1:24:08.042 Let's do our first show[br]about the downfall of television. 1:24:11.208,1:24:14.583 - Senate's gonna vote to censure[br]McCarthy tomorrow. - Probably. 1:24:14.708,1:24:17.875 - And then what happens?[br]- He sits in the back row. - Right. 1:24:18.250,1:24:22.417 - They keep him in the Senate.[br]They don't kick him out. - No, he stays. 1:24:33.083,1:24:35.250 Well, we might as well[br]go down swinging. 1:24:39.292,1:24:42.167 Did you know the most trusted man[br]in America is Milton Berle? 1:24:42.292,1:24:44.208 See, you should have worn a dress! 1:24:45.958,1:24:48.542 - Howd does a Scotch sound?[br]- Scotch sounds good. 1:24:49.625,1:24:52.125 - Did you know Joe and Shirley[br]were married? - Sure. 1:24:52.250,1:24:54.250 - Did everyone know?[br]- Pretty much. 1:24:54.375,1:24:57.125 We are proud because[br]from the beginning of this nation... 1:24:57.625,1:24:59.042 ...man can walk upright. 1:25:01.792,1:25:04.000 No matter who he is[br]or who she is. 1:25:04.917,1:25:08.833 He can walk upright[br]and meet his friend or his enemy. 1:25:09.708,1:25:12.750 And he does not fear[br]that because that enemy... 1:25:13.750,1:25:15.875 ...may be in a position[br]of great power... 1:25:16.875,1:25:21.625 ...that he can be suddenly[br]thrown in jail... 1:25:23.208,1:25:26.667 ...to rott here without charges[br]and with no recourse to justice. 1:25:28.750,1:25:31.792 We have the Habeas Corpus Act[br]and we respect it. 1:25:32.625,1:25:35.833 I began by saying that our history[br]will be what we makeit. 1:25:36.625,1:25:38.125 If we go on as we are... 1:25:38.458,1:25:42.000 ...then history will take its revenge,[br]and retribution will not limp... 1:25:42.083,1:25:43.500 ...in catching up with us. 1:25:45.042,1:25:49.000 Just once in a while, let us exalt the[br]importance of ideas and information. 1:25:50.375,1:25:53.833 Let us dream to the extent of saying[br]that on a given Sunday night... 1:25:53.958,1:25:56.167 ...the time normally[br]occupied by Ed Sullivan... 1:25:56.292,1:26:00.042 ...is given over to a clinical survey[br]on the state of American education. 1:26:00.167,1:26:03.542 And a week or two later, the time[br]normally used by Steve Allen... 1:26:03.667,1:26:07.917 ...is devoted to a thorough-going study[br]of American policy in the Middle East. 1:26:08.917,1:26:12.417 Would the corporate image of their[br]respective sponsors be damaged? 1:26:12.750,1:26:15.917 Would the shareholders rise up[br]in their wrath and complain? 1:26:16.750,1:26:17.708 Would anything happen... 1:26:17.833,1:26:21.583 ...other than a few million people would[br]have received a little illumination... 1:26:21.667,1:26:24.917 ...on subjects that may well determine[br]the future of this country... 1:26:25.042,1:26:27.500 ...and therefore the future[br]of the corporations? 1:26:28.292,1:26:31.667 To those who say, "People wouldn't[br]look, they wouldn't be interested..." 1:26:31.792,1:26:34.750 "...they're tooc omplacent,[br]indifferent and insulated"... 1:26:35.000,1:26:38.833 ...I can only reply: There is,[br]in one reporter's opinion... 1:26:39.292,1:26:41.917 ...considerable evidence[br]against that contention. 1:26:43.000,1:26:45.958 But even if they are right,[br]what have they got to lose? 1:26:46.250,1:26:47.792 Because if they are right... 1:26:47.917,1:26:49.917 ...and this instrument[br]is good for nothing... 1:26:50.042,1:26:52.542 ...but to entertain,[br]amuse and insulate... 1:26:53.292,1:26:55.125 ...then the tube is flickering now... 1:26:55.250,1:26:58.292 ...and we will soon see[br]that the whole struggle is lost. 1:26:59.292,1:27:00.792 This instrument can teach. 1:27:01.208,1:27:03.708 It can illuminate[br]and it can even inspire. 1:27:04.375,1:27:08.458 But it can do so only to the extent[br]that humans are determined to use it... 1:27:08.542,1:27:09.958 ...towards those ends. 1:27:11.417,1:27:13.958 Otherwise,[br]it is merely wiresand lights... 1:27:14.708,1:27:15.833 ...in a box. 1:27:18.917,1:27:21.375 Good night, and good luck.