WEBVTT 00:02:34.542 --> 00:02:38.375 In 1935, Ed Murrow began his career with CBS. 00:02:39.208 --> 00:02:40.833 When World War Two broke out... 00:02:40.958 --> 00:02:43.708 ...his voice brought the battle of Britain home to us... 00:02:43.833 --> 00:02:46.250 ...through his "This Is London" radio series. 00:02:47.208 --> 00:02:48.708 He started with us all... 00:02:48.875 --> 00:02:52.250 ...many of us here tonight, when television was in its infancy... 00:02:52.375 --> 00:02:54.792 ...with the news documentary show, "See It Now'. 00:02:55.000 --> 00:02:56.708 He threw stones at giants. 00:02:57.833 --> 00:03:01.042 Segregation, exploitation of migrant workers... 00:03:01.292 --> 00:03:03.333 ...apartheid, J. Edgar Hoover... 00:03:04.250 --> 00:03:08.333 ...not the least of which, his historical fight with Senator McCarthy. 00:03:09.500 --> 00:03:13.083 He is the host of our enormously popular show "Person to Person"... 00:03:13.833 --> 00:03:16.583 ...and tonight he is here with his son, Casey... 00:03:17.083 --> 00:03:20.375 ...wife, Janet, and all of you who he's worked with... 00:03:20.750 --> 00:03:23.792 ...inspired, lectured, and taught. 00:03:24.958 --> 00:03:26.250 Ladies and gentlemen... 00:03:26.375 --> 00:03:30.500 ...the Radio-Television News Directors' Association and Foundation welcomes... 00:03:30.625 --> 00:03:32.833 ...Mr. Edward R. Murrow. 00:03:53.500 --> 00:03:55.625 This might just do nobody any good. 00:03:56.542 --> 00:04:00.250 At the end of this discourse a few people may accuse this reporter... 00:04:00.375 --> 00:04:02.542 ...of fouling his own comfortable nest... 00:04:03.000 --> 00:04:06.500 ...and your organization may be accused of having given hospitality... 00:04:06.625 --> 00:04:08.958 ...to heretical and even dangerous ideas. 00:04:10.042 --> 00:04:12.292 But the elaborate structure of networks... 00:04:12.417 --> 00:04:16.208 ...advertising agencies, and sponsors will not be shaken or altered. 00:04:17.125 --> 00:04:20.500 It is my desire, if not my duty, to try to talk to you journeymen... 00:04:20.625 --> 00:04:24.125 ...with some candor about what is happening to radio andtelevision. 00:04:24.250 --> 00:04:26.167 And if what I say is responsible... 00:04:26.625 --> 00:04:29.167 ...I alone am responsible for the saying ofit. 00:04:30.417 --> 00:04:32.542 Our history will be what we make of it. 00:04:33.458 --> 00:04:37.000 And if there are any historians about 50 or 100 years from now... 00:04:37.125 --> 00:04:38.708 ...and there should be preserved... 00:04:38.833 --> 00:04:41.625 ...the kinescopes of one week of all three networks... 00:04:42.083 --> 00:04:45.708 ...they will there find recorded in black and white, and in color... 00:04:46.333 --> 00:04:48.333 ...evidence of decadence, escapism... 00:04:48.458 --> 00:04:52.042 ...and insulation from the realities of the world in which we live. 00:04:52.625 --> 00:04:56.375 We are currently wealthy, fat, comfortable, and complacent. 00:04:57.250 --> 00:05:00.917 We have a built-in allergy to unpleasant or disturbing information. 00:05:01.167 --> 00:05:03.333 Our mass media reflect this. 00:05:04.375 --> 00:05:06.708 But unless we get up off our fat surpluses... 00:05:06.833 --> 00:05:09.250 ...and recognize that television in the main... 00:05:09.375 --> 00:05:13.542 ...is being used to distract, delude, amuse, and insulate us... 00:05:14.083 --> 00:05:16.333 ...then television and those who finance it... 00:05:16.458 --> 00:05:19.333 ...those who look at it and those who work at it... 00:05:19.708 --> 00:05:22.250 ...may see atotally different picture too late. 00:06:09.208 --> 00:06:12.375 Millie! Just the person I wanted to see! Come here! 00:06:22.208 --> 00:06:24.333 This goes at the top of the Roy Campanella piece. 00:06:24.458 --> 00:06:25.542 Yes! Give me a half an hour. 00:06:25.667 --> 00:06:27.458 I may need it a little quicker than that! 00:06:27.583 --> 00:06:30.667 - Can I get some coffee first? - Come on! Get me some coffee! 00:06:32.792 --> 00:06:33.917 Morning, Johnny! 00:06:34.042 --> 00:06:37.125 I have some new notes that go with the Tito footage for Fred. 00:06:37.250 --> 00:06:38.458 Fred's gonna be in in an hour. 00:06:38.583 --> 00:06:41.750 I already put them on his desk. Can you just make sure that... 00:06:41.875 --> 00:06:44.625 ...he doesn't look at the film until he reads the notes? 00:06:44.750 --> 00:06:46.042 - Yes. - Thank you. 00:06:46.417 --> 00:06:47.417 Hey, Joe! Shirley! 00:06:49.000 --> 00:06:51.333 - What's going on in here? - What do you mean? 00:06:51.458 --> 00:06:53.333 Two attractive people alone in the copy room! 00:06:53.458 --> 00:06:54.708 Don't tell Paley, he'll fire me. 00:06:54.833 --> 00:06:56.292 He'll fire both of us, Shirley. 00:06:56.417 --> 00:06:59.167 - Rules are made to be broken! - You can afford to say that. 00:07:03.833 --> 00:07:05.042 Let me see this. 00:07:08.708 --> 00:07:12.292 - It's simply a loyalty oath. - To CBS? - And to America. 00:07:12.583 --> 00:07:14.042 You promise to be a loyal American? 00:07:14.167 --> 00:07:16.292 I know. All of the reporters have signed this. 00:07:16.417 --> 00:07:18.083 Who are you promising this to? CBS? 00:07:18.208 --> 00:07:20.167 Fred signed it. Murrow signed it. 00:07:20.292 --> 00:07:21.625 - Murrow signed it? - Yeah. 00:07:23.125 --> 00:07:24.833 Are you now or have you ever been... 00:07:24.958 --> 00:07:27.167 I thought it was a joke, but there's a lot of pressure. 00:07:27.292 --> 00:07:29.792 ...on the Attorney General's list of subversive groups? 00:07:29.917 --> 00:07:32.083 - I don't know. - Let's think about it. 00:07:32.208 --> 00:07:35.750 What is it really saying? Is it a civil liberties issue or censorship? 00:07:35.875 --> 00:07:38.167 Am I simply stating to CBS that I'm not a Communist? 00:07:38.292 --> 00:07:40.583 - Murrow signed this? - And Fred and Stanton. 00:07:40.708 --> 00:07:43.833 - Maybe you should talk toMurrow. - Maybe I should sign it. 00:07:45.042 --> 00:07:47.792 If you don't sign this, are you and I a target? 00:07:50.125 --> 00:07:52.042 If I don'tsign it, they'll fire me. 00:07:58.542 --> 00:07:59.500 Sign it. 00:07:59.958 --> 00:08:02.083 Finally we can tell everyone the truth. 00:08:03.417 --> 00:08:06.792 If I could express it in what's in my heart now... 00:08:07.208 --> 00:08:11.542 ...I'd do it in the terms of the poet who once said... 00:08:12.167 --> 00:08:15.500 ..."Ah, 'tis but a dainty flower I bring to you." 00:08:16.542 --> 00:08:18.542 'Yes, 'tis but a violet..." 00:08:19.542 --> 00:08:21.000 "...glistening with dew." 00:08:22.042 --> 00:08:25.542 "But still in its heart there lie beauties concealed." 00:08:26.667 --> 00:08:28.292 "So in our heart..." 00:08:29.750 --> 00:08:31.292 "...our love for you..." 00:08:32.333 --> 00:08:34.875 "...lies unrevealed." 00:08:37.417 --> 00:08:38.500 I used to... 00:08:44.708 --> 00:08:49.667 ...pride myself on the idea that I was a bit... tough... 00:08:51.500 --> 00:08:57.667 ...especially over the past 19-19 months, when we've been... 00:08:58.292 --> 00:09:01.333 ...kicked around, and bullwhipped, and damned. 00:09:02.667 --> 00:09:03.958 I didnt think that... 00:09:06.292 --> 00:09:09.250 ...I could be... touched very deeply. 00:09:09.500 --> 00:09:11.708 Okay, that's enough. That's enough, Leo. 00:09:11.833 --> 00:09:13.833 - It's short. - Howlong is the piece? 00:09:13.917 --> 00:09:15.667 It's 4 minutes, but we can cut it down. 00:09:15.750 --> 00:09:18.542 It cant stand alone, but it might be a nice companion piece. 00:09:18.667 --> 00:09:20.958 Let's go through this one more time. Palmer! 00:09:21.083 --> 00:09:24.375 Yep, got a call from the office of Senator Morse this morning... 00:09:24.458 --> 00:09:27.583 ...interested in setting up a debate possibly with Senator Kerr... 00:09:27.708 --> 00:09:30.125 ...over the comments Bentsen made on last night's show. 00:09:30.250 --> 00:09:33.458 Secretary of Agriculture? Good idea! Can they do it by this week? 00:09:33.583 --> 00:09:36.125 No, it would have to be 2 weeks at the earliest... 00:09:36.250 --> 00:09:39.542 ...depending on Morse's schedule. But still it's a great idea. 00:09:39.667 --> 00:09:42.958 Let's follow up on that. "Hoover speaks on Benjamin Franklin." 00:09:43.083 --> 00:09:46.167 We're having better luck with Mr. Benjamin Frankin... 00:09:46.292 --> 00:09:47.500 ...than with Mr. Hoover. 00:09:47.625 --> 00:09:50.042 It may progress better as a "Person to Person". 00:09:50.125 --> 00:09:52.583 "At home with Ben Frankin. His electricity awards." 00:09:52.708 --> 00:09:54.583 We've got the footage, we need to contact him. 00:09:54.667 --> 00:09:58.375 See if you can contact him and get the shot. He wants to do the story. Joe! 00:09:58.458 --> 00:10:00.208 Member Delbert Clark? No longer with us. 00:10:00.333 --> 00:10:02.833 - New York Times? - Yeah. - Our friend at the Times. 00:10:02.958 --> 00:10:05.625 This was yesterday morning, they're saying it's... 00:10:05.875 --> 00:10:09.417 - How old was he? - 53. Sudden illness. 00:10:09.542 --> 00:10:12.208 - Home of a friend. - No, it's not a nobit piece. 00:10:12.375 --> 00:10:14.875 Natalie send some flowers over there from us. 00:10:15.375 --> 00:10:17.667 Couple things. Case before the Supreme Court... 00:10:17.792 --> 00:10:21.667 ...involving the constitutionality of a section of the Internal Security Act... 00:10:21.750 --> 00:10:23.708 ...provides for the deportation of any alien... 00:10:23.833 --> 00:10:26.542 ...if he becomes a Communist after entering this country. 00:10:27.125 --> 00:10:28.167 Can you take this? 00:10:28.292 --> 00:10:30.833 All right. McCarthy interrupting his wedding trip... 00:10:30.958 --> 00:10:34.417 ...to take charge of the investigation of Communist infiltration... 00:10:34.542 --> 00:10:36.917 - Natalie, send some flowers. - Poor Mrs. McCarthy! 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:39.125 May I finish? It's national security! 00:10:39.208 --> 00:10:42.000 - A real ladies' man! - Well, they're in love. 00:10:42.542 --> 00:10:46.875 We have no show for Tuesday, fellows. So get out there and make some news. 00:10:47.750 --> 00:10:51.042 Rob a bank. Mug an old lady. Do something. 00:10:51.833 --> 00:10:54.458 - You look at the Secretary Stevens footage? - We will. 00:10:54.583 --> 00:10:57.083 Watch it all the way to the end, it's worth it. 00:10:58.708 --> 00:10:59.875 Thank you, John. 00:11:00.833 --> 00:11:02.167 There's notmuch there. 00:11:02.333 --> 00:11:05.792 I can't tie it to the Eisenhower in the back of the train piece. 00:11:06.125 --> 00:11:09.458 - You ever spend any time in Detroit, Fred? - Not recently. 00:11:10.875 --> 00:11:14.083 There's a story here in the Detroit News, Dexter, Michigan. 00:11:14.875 --> 00:11:16.917 A kid named Milo Radulovich. 00:11:18.542 --> 00:11:22.250 - Italian? - Irish. Air Force kicked him out because his dad... 00:11:22.375 --> 00:11:26.958 ...reads ome Serbian newspaper. - Was he a Communist? - I don't know. 00:11:27.083 --> 00:11:28.875 - Who brought the charges? - Air Force. 00:11:29.708 --> 00:11:32.292 Charges were in a sealed envelope, nobody saw them. 00:11:32.417 --> 00:11:35.667 - Not even at the hearing? - He was declared guilty without a trial... 00:11:35.792 --> 00:11:37.500 ...and told if he wanted to keep his job... 00:11:37.625 --> 00:11:40.875 ...he had to denounce his father and his sister. Thank you, Natalie. 00:11:41.000 --> 00:11:43.417 - His sister? - He told them to take a hike. 00:11:45.167 --> 00:11:48.792 Let's send Joe and Charlie down there, see if he's any good on camera. 00:11:48.917 --> 00:11:51.167 Is he being brought before the Committee? 00:11:51.917 --> 00:11:52.875 No. 00:11:54.042 --> 00:11:55.375 Then it's not McCarthy. 00:11:57.042 --> 00:11:58.000 Isn't it? 00:12:04.125 --> 00:12:05.625 Milo Radulovich. 00:12:09.917 --> 00:12:11.292 What happens to your children... 00:12:11.417 --> 00:12:14.292 ...your 5-year-old and your 5-month-old in terms of you? 00:12:14.417 --> 00:12:17.333 If I am being judged on my relatives... 00:12:18.375 --> 00:12:23.417 ...are my children going to be asked to denounce me? 00:12:23.542 --> 00:12:27.542 Are they going to be judged on what their father was labeled? 00:12:28.292 --> 00:12:33.250 Are they going to have to explain to their friends, etc... 00:12:33.375 --> 00:12:35.667 ...why their father is a security risk? 00:12:36.667 --> 00:12:41.292 If the thing is let stand as it, the first recommendation... 00:12:41.625 --> 00:12:45.792 ...was sent out by the board, I see a chain reaction that... 00:12:46.625 --> 00:12:48.875 ...has no end to anybody, for anybody. 00:12:55.583 --> 00:12:56.875 Well, that's new. 00:12:58.125 --> 00:12:59.708 You can't call this a neutral piece. 00:12:59.833 --> 00:13:03.083 The other side's been represented rather well for the last 2 years. 00:13:03.208 --> 00:13:04.750 The Air Force hasn't gone on the record. 00:13:04.875 --> 00:13:07.875 So you want to forego the standards you've stuck to for 15 years... 00:13:08.000 --> 00:13:09.208 ...both sides, no commentary. 00:13:09.333 --> 00:13:12.292 - We all editorialize. - I'm just making sure we identify what... 00:13:12.417 --> 00:13:14.042 We're giving them the information up front... 00:13:14.167 --> 00:13:15.708 ...and we're asking them to comment on it. 00:13:15.833 --> 00:13:16.833 Frank, hold on. 00:13:17.625 --> 00:13:19.250 I've searched my conscience. 00:13:19.458 --> 00:13:22.625 I can't for the life of me find any justification for this. 00:13:22.750 --> 00:13:25.583 I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story... 00:13:25.708 --> 00:13:27.708 ...two equal and logical sides to an argument. 00:13:27.833 --> 00:13:30.750 - Call it editorializing, if you'd like. - It is editorializing. 00:13:30.875 --> 00:13:32.542 They'll have equal time to defend themselves. 00:13:32.667 --> 00:13:34.708 Do you understand the position you're putting us in? 00:13:34.833 --> 00:13:37.750 We are all in this together, if the Senate wants to investigate... 00:13:37.875 --> 00:13:38.875 Do me a favor... 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:42.292 ...avoid any big speeches about how we're all in a big boat together! 00:13:42.417 --> 00:13:43.583 Please, don't insult me. 00:13:44.167 --> 00:13:48.250 I have to go back to Mr. Paley and Alcoa, who sponsors your show... 00:13:48.792 --> 00:13:51.083 ...and also have some military contracts... 00:13:51.208 --> 00:13:54.375 ...and I have to tell them that they're going to be in a tough bind... 00:13:54.500 --> 00:13:56.500 ...because of a beef you had with Joe McCarthy. 00:13:56.625 --> 00:13:59.708 - We're not going at McCarthy. - You're starting the goddamn fire. 00:13:59.833 --> 00:14:03.167 Excuse me. Mr. Friendly, there's a Colonel Anderson to see you? 00:14:03.292 --> 00:14:06.750 - Colonel? - He's in your office. There are two of them. 00:14:08.583 --> 00:14:11.792 Maybe they liked the transcript, and want to compliment us on it. 00:14:12.417 --> 00:14:13.417 Excuse me. 00:14:21.625 --> 00:14:24.333 Go after Joe Kennedy. We'll pay for it. 00:14:24.875 --> 00:14:26.917 I've got a great story about Hoover. 00:14:30.917 --> 00:14:33.333 You know how many shows you're going to have to do... 00:14:33.458 --> 00:14:36.500 ...to make up for this? - And Judy and her daughter Liza next week. 00:14:36.625 --> 00:14:38.667 No, no. You're interviewing Rin Tin Tin! 00:14:43.792 --> 00:14:45.292 I'll talk to Mr. Paley. 00:14:47.917 --> 00:14:49.708 Alcoa wont pay for the ads. 00:14:50.750 --> 00:14:54.375 And we probably wont either. But nobody'll stop you. 00:14:54.500 --> 00:14:55.625 How much are the ads? 00:14:57.917 --> 00:15:01.042 - 3,000. - I'll split it with Fred. 00:15:02.667 --> 00:15:05.958 He just won't have Christmas presents for his kids this year. 00:15:06.333 --> 00:15:09.500 - He's a Jew. - Don't tell him that, he loves Christmas. 00:15:18.708 --> 00:15:21.667 - To be clear, you did speak with the lawyers? - Yes, we did. 00:15:21.792 --> 00:15:25.042 And we read the transcript. We've not been allowed to see the footage. 00:15:25.167 --> 00:15:28.167 Mack is on a plane from Dexter right now with the last interviews. 00:15:28.292 --> 00:15:30.000 We'll be going right down to the wire. 00:15:30.125 --> 00:15:34.750 Your show airs tomorrow. How can we possibly approve and check... 00:15:34.875 --> 00:15:38.542 ...your story in the limited amount of time you have given us? 00:15:38.667 --> 00:15:42.333 With all due respect, you have been invited to participate in this piece... 00:15:42.458 --> 00:15:43.792 ...not to approve it. 00:15:44.458 --> 00:15:47.458 We are going with the story that says that the U.S. Air Force... 00:15:47.583 --> 00:15:50.083 ...tried Milo Radulovich without any evidence... 00:15:50.208 --> 00:15:52.750 ...and found him guilty of being a security risk... 00:15:52.875 --> 00:15:56.500 ...without his Constitutional rights... - You have not seen the evidence... 00:15:56.625 --> 00:15:58.917 ...and are claiming he's not a security risk. 00:15:59.042 --> 00:16:03.125 Wouldn't you guess that those who have seen the contents of that envelope... 00:16:03.250 --> 00:16:07.250 ...might have a better idea of what makes someone a danger to his country? 00:16:07.375 --> 00:16:10.667 - Who? Who? - Or do you think it should just be you that decides? 00:16:10.792 --> 00:16:13.333 Who are the people? Are they elected? Are they appointed? 00:16:13.458 --> 00:16:16.125 Do they have an axe to grind? Is it you, sir? 00:16:16.375 --> 00:16:20.583 Or you, Colonel Jenkns? Do you know the contents of that sealed envelope? 00:16:21.625 --> 00:16:27.125 We have been a friend and ally of both Mr. Murrow and CBS News for many years. 00:16:27.750 --> 00:16:31.000 The story you are going to run tomorrow is without merit. 00:16:31.542 --> 00:16:34.625 So before you take any steps that cannot be undone... 00:16:35.042 --> 00:16:37.708 ...I strongly urge you to reconsider your stand. 00:16:38.375 --> 00:16:41.792 These are very dangerous waters you are attempting to navigate. 00:16:47.917 --> 00:16:53.750 We have had no hearing at all. We have had noday in court. 00:16:54.208 --> 00:16:58.292 In all the 32 years that I have been a practicing attorney in Detroit... 00:16:58.542 --> 00:17:03.042 ...I have never witnessed such a farce and travesty upon justice... 00:17:03.167 --> 00:17:05.125 ...as this thing has developed. 00:17:05.458 --> 00:17:08.208 - Now this whole theory... - Eddie, just take the first reel. 00:17:08.333 --> 00:17:10.250 Tell John I left 5 seconds extra leader. 00:17:10.375 --> 00:17:13.708 5 seconds! I got it! Palmer, where's Joe? Have you seen Joe? 00:17:13.833 --> 00:17:15.083 He's on his way to the control room. 00:17:15.208 --> 00:17:16.833 We're gonna have to do the voice-over live. 00:17:16.958 --> 00:17:18.708 Natalie, I need a booth with a live mic. 00:17:18.833 --> 00:17:20.042 Booth is there, it's already set. 00:17:20.167 --> 00:17:22.333 We didn't have time to sync the voice-over out. 00:17:22.625 --> 00:17:24.250 That's not what I asked for. 00:17:25.958 --> 00:17:27.875 It's missing the voice-over on the last piece. 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:30.083 There's a commercial in the booth. What shall I do? 00:17:30.208 --> 00:17:32.917 - 2 minutes to air! - There's not supposed to be a commercial! 00:17:33.042 --> 00:17:34.292 Get himout of the booth! 00:17:37.875 --> 00:17:40.042 2-and-a-half minutes on the end piece. 00:17:41.250 --> 00:17:43.917 Keep it down, please. It's a little loud. 00:17:44.083 --> 00:17:45.333 2 minutes to air, fellas. 00:17:46.750 --> 00:17:50.083 - He's gonna add a joke. - Charlie, loan me your lighter. 00:17:51.958 --> 00:17:55.292 Make sure you know that I swap with those two pieces of parents. 00:17:55.417 --> 00:17:58.375 - As long as he talks fast because... - He will talk fast. 00:18:03.542 --> 00:18:04.667 We got the film. 00:18:05.917 --> 00:18:07.125 Will it be ready? 00:18:07.667 --> 00:18:08.667 You bet. 00:18:14.667 --> 00:18:15.875 Funny thing, Freddy! 00:18:16.375 --> 00:18:19.625 Every time you light a cigarette for me, I know you're lying. 00:18:34.250 --> 00:18:37.125 It occurs t ome we might not get away with this one. 00:18:43.500 --> 00:18:46.542 Alcoa, the aluminum company of America... 00:18:46.625 --> 00:18:48.792 - 10 seconds. - You fellas, ready? Okay. 00:18:49.083 --> 00:18:50.333 Ready on camera 1. 00:18:57.292 --> 00:19:01.583 5, 4,3, 2. 00:19:04.500 --> 00:19:05.708 Pan, camera 1. 00:19:07.292 --> 00:19:08.250 Good evening. 00:19:08.750 --> 00:19:12.375 A few weeks ago there occurred a few obscure notices in the newspapers... 00:19:12.500 --> 00:19:14.250 ...about Milo Radulovich... 00:19:14.667 --> 00:19:16.833 ...a lieutenant in the Air Force Reserves. 00:19:17.208 --> 00:19:20.833 And, also, something about Air Force regulation 35-62... 00:19:21.750 --> 00:19:25.292 ...which states that a man may be regarded as a security risk... 00:19:25.417 --> 00:19:28.625 ...if he has close and continuing association with Communists... 00:19:28.750 --> 00:19:31.417 ...or people believed to have Communist sympathies. 00:19:32.375 --> 00:19:35.875 Lieutenant Radulovich was asked to resign in August. He declined. 00:19:36.125 --> 00:19:38.333 A board was called and heard his case. 00:19:38.458 --> 00:19:42.042 At the end it was recommended that he be severed from the Air Force... 00:19:42.167 --> 00:19:45.542 ...although it was also stated that there was no question whatever... 00:19:45.667 --> 00:19:47.458 ...as to the Lieutenant's loyalty. 00:19:47.583 --> 00:19:50.000 We propose to examine, in so far as we can... 00:19:50.125 --> 00:19:52.208 ...the case of Lieutenant Radulovich. 00:19:52.458 --> 00:19:55.208 Our reporter, Joe Wershba, cameraman, Charlie Mack. 00:19:56.167 --> 00:19:59.125 This is the town of Dexter, Michigan. Population 1500. 00:19:59.542 --> 00:20:02.833 This statue is at the end of Ann Arbor Street erected by... 00:20:02.917 --> 00:20:04.875 What did the General tell you yesterday? 00:20:05.083 --> 00:20:08.292 - A Colonel. There were two of them. - That makes a General. 00:20:08.417 --> 00:20:09.792 They weren't too pleased. 00:20:10.708 --> 00:20:12.625 You're gonna get audited this year. 00:20:13.042 --> 00:20:16.167 Not me, you. I told them I didn't want to do the story. 00:20:17.500 --> 00:20:20.083 - You always were yellow. - Better than red. 00:20:27.250 --> 00:20:28.333 In 10 seconds. 00:20:32.833 --> 00:20:35.417 This is the sister, Margaret Radulovich Fishman. 00:20:35.833 --> 00:20:38.958 She neither defends nor explains her political activities. 00:20:39.208 --> 00:20:43.958 I feel that my activities, be what they may... 00:20:44.083 --> 00:20:47.000 ...or my political beliefs are my own private affair. 00:20:47.542 --> 00:20:52.667 Are my children going to be asked to denounce me? 00:20:52.792 --> 00:20:56.875 Are they going to be judged on what their father was labeled? 00:20:57.375 --> 00:21:02.250 Are they going to have to explain to their friends, etc... 00:21:02.417 --> 00:21:04.417 ...why their father is a security risk? 00:21:05.375 --> 00:21:10.250 I see, absolutely, that this is a chain reaction. 00:21:10.625 --> 00:21:14.917 If the thing is let stand as it, the first recommendation... 00:21:15.042 --> 00:21:19.292 ...was sent out by the board I see a chain reaction... 00:21:19.417 --> 00:21:22.833 ...that has no end to anybody, for anybody. 00:21:23.750 --> 00:21:26.792 Perhaps you will permit me to read a few sentences... 00:21:26.917 --> 00:21:30.000 ...because I would like to say rather precisely what I mean. 00:21:30.417 --> 00:21:33.167 We have told the Air Force that we will provide facilities... 00:21:33.292 --> 00:21:36.333 ...for any comments, criticisms, or corrections it may wish to make... 00:21:36.417 --> 00:21:38.417 ...as to the case of Milo Radulovich. 00:21:39.750 --> 00:21:43.208 We are unable to judge the charges against his father or sister... 00:21:43.333 --> 00:21:46.625 ...because neither we, nor you, nor they, nor the lawyers... 00:21:46.750 --> 00:21:50.750 ...nor the Lieutenant, know what was contained in that manila envelope. 00:21:51.500 --> 00:21:54.625 Was it hearsay, rumor, gossip, slander... 00:21:54.917 --> 00:21:58.917 ...or hard ascertainable facts that could be backed by credible witnesses? 00:21:59.292 --> 00:22:00.458 We do not know. 00:22:01.333 --> 00:22:04.583 We believe the son shall not bear the iniquity of the father. 00:22:04.750 --> 00:22:08.208 Even though that iniquity be proved and in this case it was not. 00:22:09.250 --> 00:22:12.542 But we believe too that this case illustrates the urgent need... 00:22:12.625 --> 00:22:16.542 ...for the Armed Forces to communicate more fully than they have so far done... 00:22:16.667 --> 00:22:19.083 ...the procedures and regulations to be followed... 00:22:19.208 --> 00:22:21.583 ...in attempting to protect the national security... 00:22:21.708 --> 00:22:24.417 ...and the rights of the individual at the same time. 00:22:25.542 --> 00:22:28.208 Whatever happens in this area of the relationship... 00:22:28.333 --> 00:22:30.417 ...between the individual and the state... 00:22:30.542 --> 00:22:32.083 ...we will do it ourselves... 00:22:32.667 --> 00:22:37.083 ...it cannot be blamed on Malenkov or Mao Tse-Tung or even our allies. 00:22:37.875 --> 00:22:41.167 And, it seems to us, Fred Friendly and myself... 00:22:41.708 --> 00:22:45.167 ...that this is a subject that should be argued about endlessly. 00:22:46.792 --> 00:22:48.625 Good night, and good luck. 00:22:55.542 --> 00:22:56.667 And we'reout. 00:24:32.500 --> 00:24:32.917 May I tell you something about yourself... 00:24:32.917 --> 00:24:34.583 May I tellyou something about yourself... 00:24:34.708 --> 00:24:37.083 ...as a member of the "Person to Person" audience? 00:24:37.208 --> 00:24:39.250 Based on audience research studies... 00:24:39.833 --> 00:24:43.375 ...you are well above average in education and intelligence. 00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:47.125 Your interests are wide, from world affairs and science... 00:24:47.333 --> 00:24:49.125 ...to sports and show business. 00:24:49.458 --> 00:24:52.667 And you have one characteristic that's rather encouraging to me... 00:24:52.792 --> 00:24:56.667 ...and that's the fact that you are not easily persuaded by advertising. 00:24:57.458 --> 00:25:00.250 The makers of Kent considered all these characteristics... 00:25:00.375 --> 00:25:02.500 ...when they chose Mr. Murrow'sprogram... 00:25:02.625 --> 00:25:04.125 ...to tell you about Kent. 00:25:04.417 --> 00:25:09.458 Of all leading filter cigarettes, Kent filter's best. 00:25:09.750 --> 00:25:12.833 If you try Kent with that in mind, I think you'll agree... 00:25:12.958 --> 00:25:16.125 ...with many other thinking people who havec hanged to Kent. 00:25:16.500 --> 00:25:21.375 They find that it makes good sense to smoke Kent and good smoking, too. 00:25:22.375 --> 00:25:25.625 - Did you get the changes? - Edward Murrow, "Person to Person"... 00:25:25.750 --> 00:25:29.542 ...on the CBS Television Network. - No, no. You there? Okay. We got it. 00:25:29.667 --> 00:25:31.208 Now back to Ed Murrow. 00:25:32.500 --> 00:25:35.375 Not since the silent movies and the idols they produced... 00:25:35.500 --> 00:25:39.208 ...has Hollywood witnessed the sort of pilgrimage that is now going on. 00:25:39.750 --> 00:25:43.375 Each day, oblivious to time, weather, and the state of the world... 00:25:43.583 --> 00:25:47.375 ...sightseers head in the direction of California's San Fernando Valley. 00:25:47.875 --> 00:25:51.083 For there, at the end of the tourist line, is Sherman Oaks... 00:25:51.208 --> 00:25:54.500 ...and the home Liberace has built for himself and his mother. 00:25:54.708 --> 00:25:58.542 This is the front and nobody knows how many people have seen that view. 00:25:59.208 --> 00:26:02.417 This is the back of the house and that's Liberace's bedroom. 00:26:03.458 --> 00:26:05.583 - Good evening, Lee. - Good evening, Ed. 00:26:05.708 --> 00:26:10.417 - What are you doing? - I'm dictating my weekly syndicated newspaper column... 00:26:10.917 --> 00:26:17.417 ...and on my trusty tape recorder here, I'm also dictating a book. 00:26:17.542 --> 00:26:19.875 - It's an inspirational book. - Lee, what about you? 00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:22.958 Have you given much thought to getting married and settling down? 00:26:23.083 --> 00:26:25.667 Actually, I've given a lot of thought to it... 00:26:25.792 --> 00:26:29.667 ...but I don't believe in getting married just for the sake of getting married. 00:26:29.792 --> 00:26:32.458 I want to someday find the perfect mate... 00:26:32.875 --> 00:26:36.917 ...and settle down to what I hope will be a marriage that will be blessed... 00:26:37.083 --> 00:26:39.667 ...by faith and will be a lasting union. 00:26:40.208 --> 00:26:44.917 I was reading about lovely young Princess Margaret... 00:26:45.500 --> 00:26:48.167 ...and she's lookng for her dream man, too... 00:26:48.750 --> 00:26:50.708 ...and I hope she finds him someday. 00:26:52.125 --> 00:26:55.833 Uh-huh. Lee, thanks very much for letting us come and visit you. 00:26:55.958 --> 00:26:57.083 It's been very pleasant. 00:26:57.208 --> 00:26:59.333 And will you say goodnight to your family for us? 00:26:59.458 --> 00:27:01.125 - I certainly will. - Thanks a lot. 00:27:01.250 --> 00:27:03.042 - Good night, Ed. - Good night, Lee. 00:27:04.542 --> 00:27:07.250 Next week, we'll take you to Beverly Hills, California... 00:27:07.375 --> 00:27:10.042 ...to the house of Mickey Rooney and his newbride. 00:27:10.125 --> 00:27:12.792 Until then, good night, and good luck. 00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:20.583 Good show, Mr. Murrow! 00:27:43.792 --> 00:27:45.000 Excuse me, Mr. Murrow. 00:27:45.125 --> 00:27:47.792 Could you take a look at this and sign it for me, please? 00:27:47.917 --> 00:27:51.000 Thank you. Dr. Stanton would like to have a drink with you. 00:27:51.125 --> 00:27:53.125 - When? - Now. He's at the Pentagon Bar. 00:27:53.250 --> 00:27:55.417 I can't. What the hell is he doing there? 00:27:55.542 --> 00:27:58.375 - I believe he's waiting for you. - Just call him! - Fine. 00:27:58.500 --> 00:28:01.167 - Oppenheimer next week. - It's a good show, Ed. 00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:04.292 - Hey, Don! - Ed! 00:28:05.375 --> 00:28:06.750 You're getting good at this! 00:28:07.333 --> 00:28:09.083 They're gonna think you like it! 00:28:09.292 --> 00:28:11.542 Pays the bills. How are you, Don? 00:28:12.875 --> 00:28:13.875 Ah, it's... 00:28:15.375 --> 00:28:16.542 ...day today. 00:28:17.333 --> 00:28:20.208 If she saw how good you look right now, she'd be back. 00:28:21.792 --> 00:28:24.167 You tell her that if you see her, will you? 00:28:25.708 --> 00:28:28.875 - I read the O'Brian piece. - Yeah, it's tough. 00:28:29.750 --> 00:28:32.292 I'm a pinko. I slant the news. 00:28:33.417 --> 00:28:36.208 I'm just waiting for him to say my wife left me too. 00:28:36.542 --> 00:28:39.417 - Nobody worth their salt reads him. - You read him. 00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:41.625 Well, see, I rest my case. 00:28:43.375 --> 00:28:47.583 - Does Paley read him? - Bill Paley's not gonna do anything. 00:28:50.792 --> 00:28:51.875 Thanks, Ed. 00:28:53.250 --> 00:28:56.500 I just came by to tell you how great the Lieutenant piece was. 00:28:56.625 --> 00:28:59.792 - Thanks. - How's the fallout? - Mostly good, surprisingly. 00:29:00.042 --> 00:29:02.792 Is this the start? Are you taking sides? 00:29:05.417 --> 00:29:08.417 It's just a little poke with a stick, see what happens. 00:29:08.708 --> 00:29:10.375 You let me know if I can help. 00:29:10.625 --> 00:29:12.042 But you're a pinko. 00:29:14.833 --> 00:29:16.042 I'll see you. 00:29:32.042 --> 00:29:34.708 Hey, Joe! What's all this Radulovich junk you're putting out? 00:29:34.792 --> 00:29:37.667 I can't talk to you now. I have to get this film back to New York. 00:29:37.792 --> 00:29:39.083 What would you say if I told you... 00:29:39.208 --> 00:29:41.750 ...that Murrow was on the Soviet payroll in 1935? 00:29:43.958 --> 00:29:47.000 - Uh! Charlie, you wanna... - Sure. I'll set up outside. 00:29:49.167 --> 00:29:50.750 McCarthy going tot he Eisenhower dinner? 00:29:50.875 --> 00:29:54.417 - I have no idea. Id on't keep the Senator's calendar for him! - Really? 00:29:58.583 --> 00:30:02.250 Have you ever seen any spy films? You don't hand me a classified folder! 00:30:02.375 --> 00:30:04.458 You're supposed to slip it into my briefcase! 00:30:04.583 --> 00:30:07.708 I didnt know who to give this information to, Paley or Murrow. 00:30:07.833 --> 00:30:11.375 As you can imagine, Fred and I aren't very friendly. No pun intended. 00:30:11.792 --> 00:30:13.250 No pun elocuted. 00:30:16.750 --> 00:30:18.708 - What do you got, Donald? - In short? 00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:21.708 Murrows been a Communist sympathizer since the 1930's. 00:30:21.833 --> 00:30:25.333 Member of the International Workers, sponsored educational trips to Moscow... 00:30:25.458 --> 00:30:27.958 ...and on the Sovietpayroll in 1935. It's all there. 00:30:28.083 --> 00:30:29.917 You wanna know why that's not possible? 00:30:30.042 --> 00:30:31.500 Why you'll lose this one? 00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:33.958 Because everyone in this country... 00:30:34.083 --> 00:30:37.167 ...knows that Ed Murrow is a loyal American, he's apatriot. 00:30:39.167 --> 00:30:41.875 Did you know the word "gullible" isn't in the dictionary? 00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:44.958 - Can I give this to him? - I'd love it! I have copies! 00:30:48.083 --> 00:30:49.583 I think you guys go too far. 00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:52.292 Well, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck. 00:30:59.167 --> 00:31:00.458 Yes, Mr. Paley. 00:31:01.500 --> 00:31:03.083 Right away. Yes, sir. 00:31:04.833 --> 00:31:06.250 No, he hasn't called. 00:31:07.583 --> 00:31:11.375 Yes, sir, the second he calls. If you're in a meeting, shall I? 00:31:12.750 --> 00:31:14.583 Yes, sir. Of course, sir. 00:31:17.375 --> 00:31:18.417 Mr. Murrow! 00:31:19.333 --> 00:31:21.042 Mr. Paley will see you now. 00:31:24.917 --> 00:31:28.625 - Mr. Paley, Mr. Murrow is here. - Thanks, Miss Mary. 00:31:29.250 --> 00:31:32.000 - Hello, Ed. - Bill... - Sit over here, will you? 00:31:32.875 --> 00:31:33.917 How's Janet? 00:31:34.375 --> 00:31:36.750 - Your son? - All well, thanks. How's Babe? 00:31:36.917 --> 00:31:40.042 She's fine. Her fundraiser got rained on, so... 00:31:40.500 --> 00:31:43.333 - Oh! That's why I never plan on anything. - Really? 00:31:44.917 --> 00:31:46.125 You'd never know. 00:31:50.042 --> 00:31:51.292 Reading fiction? 00:31:51.958 --> 00:31:53.792 I hope so. You tell me. 00:31:55.250 --> 00:31:57.042 Now we know how they're gonna come at us. 00:31:57.167 --> 00:32:00.042 That's just the first shot. Somebody's going to go down. 00:32:00.167 --> 00:32:02.750 Have you checked your facts? Are you on safe ground? 00:32:05.083 --> 00:32:07.917 - Bill, it's time. Show our cards. - My cards. 00:32:08.792 --> 00:32:12.667 You lose, what happens? 5 guys find themselves out of work. 00:32:13.125 --> 00:32:17.292 I'm responsible for a lot more than 5 goddamn reporters. Let it go. 00:32:19.083 --> 00:32:21.208 McCarthy will self-destruct, Cohn, all of them. 00:32:21.333 --> 00:32:23.750 You said Corporate would not interfere with Editorial... 00:32:23.875 --> 00:32:25.333 ...and that the News was to be left... 00:32:25.458 --> 00:32:27.208 We don't make the news, we report the news. 00:32:27.333 --> 00:32:30.042 He's marked as Communists. 00:32:30.167 --> 00:32:32.167 If he goes too far, the Senate will investigate him... 00:32:32.292 --> 00:32:33.250 ...and we will report on that. 00:32:33.375 --> 00:32:36.625 He oversteps people's civil liberties. 00:32:36.750 --> 00:32:37.833 And you're trying him in the press? 00:32:37.958 --> 00:32:39.917 Does he get the right to face his accuser? 00:32:40.042 --> 00:32:42.500 You've decided on this and you're presenting it as fact. 00:32:42.625 --> 00:32:44.917 - What I am doing... - I write your check. 00:32:45.042 --> 00:32:48.875 I put you in your country house, and I put your son through school! 00:32:49.292 --> 00:32:52.875 You should have told me about this before it went so far down the road! 00:33:04.417 --> 00:33:08.250 Everyone of your boys needs to be clean. Do you understand? No ties. 00:33:08.500 --> 00:33:13.042 If Aaron's mother went to a group fundraiser in 1932, he's out. 00:33:13.208 --> 00:33:16.958 Hewitt, too. Anyone in that room. You make no mistake... 00:33:17.125 --> 00:33:20.708 ...I will cut them loose. Corporate won't interfere with Editorial. 00:33:20.833 --> 00:33:24.208 But Editorial will not jeopardize the hundreds of employees... 00:33:24.333 --> 00:33:27.625 ...of the CBS. Do I make myself clear? 00:33:28.958 --> 00:33:30.208 Yes? 00:33:35.708 --> 00:33:39.042 Fellas, our next show is gonna be about Senator McCarthy. 00:33:40.167 --> 00:33:41.917 And we'regonna go right at him. 00:33:42.583 --> 00:33:45.333 I don't need to tell you how careful we have to be. 00:33:45.458 --> 00:33:48.583 If we are to do this, Ed and I need you to be straight with us. 00:33:48.708 --> 00:33:50.875 We need to know, for the good of the piece... 00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:54.792 ...if any of you have any connection, if you subscribed to a newsletter... 00:33:54.917 --> 00:33:56.750 ...if you attended a party, anything... 00:33:56.875 --> 00:34:00.000 ...anything that could compromise this, anything at all... 00:34:00.500 --> 00:34:02.792 ...because now would be the time to tell us. 00:34:08.292 --> 00:34:10.250 Ed, I think I should excuse myself. 00:34:11.250 --> 00:34:12.667 Palmer, you kidding? 00:34:13.667 --> 00:34:16.167 My ex was a... I wouldn't say she was a Communist... 00:34:16.292 --> 00:34:19.333 ...but she attended meetings. It was before we were married. 00:34:19.458 --> 00:34:22.375 I didn't even really know about it until after the divorce. 00:34:22.958 --> 00:34:25.917 But it was different then. We were all on the same side. 00:34:27.458 --> 00:34:30.375 I'm not telling you anything you don't know. The thing is... 00:34:30.500 --> 00:34:31.917 ...somebody'll find out. 00:34:33.667 --> 00:34:35.125 They'll hurt us with it. 00:34:36.708 --> 00:34:39.125 I should have told you sooner, Ed, I'm sorry. 00:34:40.292 --> 00:34:41.375 Fred. 00:34:44.625 --> 00:34:47.292 If none of us had ever read a "dangerous" book... 00:34:47.500 --> 00:34:49.625 ...or had a friend who was "different"... 00:34:49.750 --> 00:34:52.417 ...or never joined an organization that advocated "change"... 00:34:52.500 --> 00:34:55.292 ...we'd all be the kindof people Joe McCarthy wants. 00:34:57.292 --> 00:35:00.875 We're gonna go with the story, because the terror is in this room. 00:35:04.917 --> 00:35:07.167 John! Jesse! Go through the HUAC hearings. 00:35:07.292 --> 00:35:11.167 Eddie! Palmer! Look at who did the interviews and any speeches. 00:35:12.208 --> 00:35:13.792 Okay, fellas, here we go. 00:35:14.417 --> 00:35:16.375 His own words, that's what we need. 00:35:16.500 --> 00:35:19.000 ...said that he wouldn't remove a General from the Army... 00:35:19.125 --> 00:35:22.083 ...who supported a Communist Major. I said, "Then, General..." 00:35:22.208 --> 00:35:24.500 "...you should be removed from any command." 00:35:25.042 --> 00:35:28.792 "Any man who says, "I will protect and honor a General'..." 00:35:29.083 --> 00:35:33.375 "...'who protects Communists', is not fit to wear that uniform, General." 00:35:33.708 --> 00:35:35.292 Ethically, we're fine. 00:35:35.500 --> 00:35:39.208 But legally, if we air this, are we leaking closed hearing testimony? 00:35:39.333 --> 00:35:41.708 - But he chose to read it. - We're not misquoting him. 00:35:41.833 --> 00:35:45.208 - There are other reporters. - If it's a legal issue, it's his. 00:35:45.333 --> 00:35:46.667 I'll check with Campbell in Legal. 00:35:46.792 --> 00:35:48.792 And wait till you hear the bleeding hearts... 00:35:49.292 --> 00:35:51.375 ...scream and cry about our methods... 00:35:52.625 --> 00:35:54.625 ...of trying to drag the truth... 00:35:56.250 --> 00:35:58.375 ...from those who know or should know... 00:35:59.250 --> 00:36:02.167 ...who covered up a Fifth Amendment Communist Major. 00:36:03.083 --> 00:36:04.417 But they say, "Oh..." 00:36:05.458 --> 00:36:09.417 "...it's all right to uncover them, but don't get rough doing it, McCarthy." 00:36:11.500 --> 00:36:16.042 Did a Civil Liberties Union provide you with an attorney at that time? 00:36:16.917 --> 00:36:18.667 I had many offers of attorneys... 00:36:18.792 --> 00:36:22.667 ...and from the American Civil Liberties Union, too. - The question is: 00:36:22.792 --> 00:36:25.708 ...did the Civil Liberties Union supply you with an attorney? 00:36:25.833 --> 00:36:28.375 - They did supply an attorney. - The answer is yes? 00:36:28.542 --> 00:36:29.500 The answer is yes. 00:36:29.625 --> 00:36:32.083 You know the Civil Liberties Union has been listed... 00:36:32.208 --> 00:36:35.375 ...as a front for and doing the work of the Communist Party? 00:36:35.917 --> 00:36:37.833 Mr. Chairman, this was 1932! 00:36:39.292 --> 00:36:40.583 I know this was in 1932. 00:36:40.667 --> 00:36:42.833 Do you know that they since have been listed... 00:36:42.958 --> 00:36:45.458 ...as a front for and doing the work of the Communist Party? 00:36:45.583 --> 00:36:47.792 I do not know that they have been listedso, sir. 00:36:47.917 --> 00:36:50.250 - You don't know? - I have heard that mentioned... 00:36:50.375 --> 00:36:51.583 All right, Leo. Turn it off. 00:36:51.667 --> 00:36:55.458 - I need those three cans of Stevens! - Has anybody read this book yet? 00:36:55.583 --> 00:36:57.875 It would be nice if this guy isn't a Commie. 00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:00.375 - Did Millie give it to you? - I wanna read the book. 00:37:00.458 --> 00:37:02.042 - Nobody else, Joe. - I hear you, boss. 00:37:02.167 --> 00:37:04.458 I'll put it on a kinescope, push through the end. 00:37:04.583 --> 00:37:05.750 Palmer, cut it at 2:30. 00:37:05.875 --> 00:37:08.208 I prefer it one on each end, let it run through. 00:37:08.292 --> 00:37:10.125 It'd be more powerful. Cut Kennedy? 00:37:10.250 --> 00:37:13.042 Joe, file it for me. I'll see the Mundt piece later. 00:37:13.333 --> 00:37:14.667 Are we gonna make it, Fred? 00:37:15.042 --> 00:37:17.167 We lost the telecine, but we'll make it. 00:37:20.625 --> 00:37:22.500 Did you finish your closing piece? 00:37:23.292 --> 00:37:24.458 It's Shakespeare. 00:37:26.375 --> 00:37:27.667 Write your closing. 00:37:56.208 --> 00:37:59.458 My argument was if you just show the images of McCarthy... 00:37:59.583 --> 00:38:01.083 ...it doesn't make any difference. 00:38:01.208 --> 00:38:03.458 If you agree with him, you're gonna hate the piece. 00:38:03.542 --> 00:38:04.583 If you don't, you'll love it. 00:38:04.708 --> 00:38:06.667 Maybe they should wait till they get more footage. 00:38:06.792 --> 00:38:08.250 I don't think wec an take that chance. 00:38:08.375 --> 00:38:10.958 We've got to hit McCarthy before he comes after Ed. 00:38:12.750 --> 00:38:16.083 The blue one. They haven't gone after the AIsops or Herb Block. 00:38:16.333 --> 00:38:19.083 Honey, the AIsops and Herb Block... 00:38:19.792 --> 00:38:23.417 ...didn't work for the Institute of International Education in 1934. 00:38:24.250 --> 00:38:25.583 Then I guess it's time. 00:38:32.917 --> 00:38:33.875 You worried? 00:38:36.708 --> 00:38:38.042 I didn't think I was. 00:38:38.750 --> 00:38:41.333 I don't know why. I was in the office on Friday. 00:38:41.708 --> 00:38:44.708 And I answered the phone, it was Howard calling from London. 00:38:44.833 --> 00:38:47.250 And he asked what was going on with McCarthy. 00:38:47.500 --> 00:38:52.667 And before I answered him, I turned and looked over my shoulder... 00:38:53.000 --> 00:38:55.875 ...tosee who was listening. - And who was listening? 00:38:57.708 --> 00:38:58.917 Chairman Mao... 00:39:05.250 --> 00:39:06.667 I'll see you at the office. 00:39:07.667 --> 00:39:09.250 - Hey, your ring! - Uh! 00:39:12.583 --> 00:39:14.000 Name me another wife... 00:39:14.500 --> 00:39:17.208 ...who reminds her husband to take off his wedding ring... 00:39:17.333 --> 00:39:20.500 ...before he goes to the office. - Ava Gardner. 00:39:27.875 --> 00:39:31.583 Excuse me, Mr. Friendly. Mr. Murrow, Mr. Paley's on the line for you. 00:39:33.708 --> 00:39:37.292 - Maybe he wants to reimburse us for those ads. - You'd like that! 00:39:37.667 --> 00:39:39.500 - I would like that! - This is Ed. 00:39:39.833 --> 00:39:43.208 There's a Knickerbocker game tonight. I've got front row seats. 00:39:43.458 --> 00:39:44.708 Are you interested? 00:39:45.583 --> 00:39:48.500 I'm busy bringing down the network tonight, Bill. 00:39:48.833 --> 00:39:49.792 Is that tonight? 00:39:51.542 --> 00:39:52.792 We're covered, Bill. 00:39:53.750 --> 00:39:54.792 All right. 00:39:56.750 --> 00:40:01.417 - I'm with you today, Ed, and I'm with you tomorrow. - Thanks, Bill. 00:40:17.208 --> 00:40:19.458 Do you know the timing on the first piece? 00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:22.917 Can we hold all the calls, please? 00:40:23.208 --> 00:40:25.375 Hold the calls till after the show. Thank you. 00:40:25.833 --> 00:40:27.917 - You fellas, awake down there? - Okay. 00:40:28.292 --> 00:40:31.042 - Just... what are we? 20? - 30 seconds, Ed. 00:40:46.958 --> 00:40:48.208 10 seconds. 00:40:52.542 --> 00:40:57.083 5, 4,3, 2. 00:40:58.500 --> 00:40:59.917 And pan, camera one. 00:41:03.167 --> 00:41:07.042 Because a report on Senator McCarthy is by definition controversial... 00:41:07.500 --> 00:41:09.792 ...we want to say exactly what we mean to say... 00:41:09.917 --> 00:41:12.625 ...and request your permission to read from a script... 00:41:12.750 --> 00:41:15.250 ...what ever remarks Murrow and Friendly may make. 00:41:15.833 --> 00:41:19.583 If the Senator feels that we have done violence to his words or pictures... 00:41:19.708 --> 00:41:21.917 ...and desires to answer himself... 00:41:22.125 --> 00:41:24.958 ...an opportunity will be afforded him on this program. 00:41:25.417 --> 00:41:27.958 Our working thesis tonight is this quotation: 00:41:28.708 --> 00:41:30.333 ..."If this fight against Communism..." 00:41:30.458 --> 00:41:33.750 "...has made a fight between America's two great political parties..." 00:41:33.875 --> 00:41:37.333 "...the American people know that one of these parties will be destroyed..." 00:41:37.458 --> 00:41:40.875 "...and the Republic cannot endure very long as a one-party system." 00:41:41.375 --> 00:41:42.917 We applaud that statement... 00:41:43.042 --> 00:41:45.250 ...and we think Senator McCarthy ought to. 00:41:45.500 --> 00:41:47.792 He said it 17 months ago in Milwaukee. 00:41:48.875 --> 00:41:52.208 The American people realize that this cannot be made a fight... 00:41:52.375 --> 00:41:54.958 ...between America's two great political parties. 00:41:55.083 --> 00:41:56.667 If this fight against Communism... 00:41:56.792 --> 00:41:59.958 ...is made a fight against America's two great political parties... 00:42:00.083 --> 00:42:03.667 ...the American people know that one of those parties will be destroyed... 00:42:03.792 --> 00:42:07.167 ...and the Republic can't endure very long as a one-party system. 00:42:08.042 --> 00:42:10.625 On one thing the Senator has been consistent. 00:42:11.208 --> 00:42:14.500 Often operating as a one-man committee, he has traveled far... 00:42:14.583 --> 00:42:16.792 ...interviewed many, terrorized some... 00:42:17.333 --> 00:42:19.333 ...accused civilian and military leaders... 00:42:19.458 --> 00:42:21.875 ...of the past administration of a great conspiracy... 00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:23.958 ...to turn over the country to Communism. 00:42:24.083 --> 00:42:28.458 I was extremely shocked when I heard that Secretary Stevens... 00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:33.292 ...told 2 Army officers that they had to take part in the cover up... 00:42:33.792 --> 00:42:36.375 ...of those who promoted and coddled Communists. 00:42:36.625 --> 00:42:39.500 As I read his statement, I... 00:42:40.500 --> 00:42:43.458 ...thought of that quotation, "On what meat..." 00:42:44.208 --> 00:42:46.375 "...does this our Caesar feed?". 00:42:46.542 --> 00:42:47.500 The questions is: 00:42:47.625 --> 00:42:50.625 ...did the Civil Liberties Union supply you with an attorney? 00:42:50.750 --> 00:42:53.292 - They did supply an attorney. - The answer is yes? 00:42:53.417 --> 00:42:54.375 The answer is yes. 00:42:54.500 --> 00:42:57.208 Do you think this book did considerable harm? 00:42:57.458 --> 00:42:58.833 Its publication... 00:42:59.958 --> 00:43:02.625 ...by an expression of the views contained in it? 00:43:02.958 --> 00:43:06.250 The sale of that book was so abysmally small... 00:43:06.792 --> 00:43:11.125 ...it was so unsuccessful, that the question of its influence... 00:43:11.583 --> 00:43:13.375 You can go back to the publisher... 00:43:13.500 --> 00:43:17.125 ...you'll see it was one of the most unsuccessful books he ever put out. 00:43:17.250 --> 00:43:19.375 He's still sorry about it, just as I am. 00:43:19.667 --> 00:43:22.875 Well, I think that's a compliment to American intelligence. 00:43:23.792 --> 00:43:24.875 I'll say that. 00:43:25.583 --> 00:43:29.250 The Reed Harris hearing demonstrates one of the Senator's techniques. 00:43:29.375 --> 00:43:30.583 Twice he said... 00:43:30.875 --> 00:43:34.708 ...'The American Civil Liberties Union was listed as a subversive front." 00:43:34.792 --> 00:43:37.792 The Attorney General's list does not and never has listed... 00:43:37.875 --> 00:43:40.708 ...the ACLU as subversive, nor does the FBI... 00:43:40.833 --> 00:43:43.042 ...or any other federal government agency. 00:43:43.417 --> 00:43:46.500 And the American Civil Liberties Union holds in its files... 00:43:46.625 --> 00:43:49.208 ...letters of commendation from President Truman... 00:43:49.333 --> 00:43:51.917 ...President Eisenhower, and General MacArthur. 00:43:52.958 --> 00:43:57.417 Earlier, the Senator asked, "Upon what meat does this our Caesar feed?". 00:43:57.708 --> 00:44:00.417 Had he looked three lines earlier in Shakespeare's "Caesar"... 00:44:00.542 --> 00:44:04.083 ...he would have found this line, which is not altogether inappropriate. 00:44:04.208 --> 00:44:08.458 "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves." 00:44:09.167 --> 00:44:11.417 No one familiar with the history of this country... 00:44:11.542 --> 00:44:14.208 ...can deny that Congressional committees are useful. 00:44:14.333 --> 00:44:17.167 It is necessary to investigate before legislating... 00:44:17.292 --> 00:44:20.833 ...but the line between investigating and persecuting is a very fine one... 00:44:20.958 --> 00:44:24.792 ...and the junior Senator from Wisconsin has stepped over it repeatedly. 00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:27.542 We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. 00:44:28.167 --> 00:44:31.208 We must remember always that accusation is not proof... 00:44:31.500 --> 00:44:35.250 ...and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. 00:44:36.208 --> 00:44:38.500 We will not walk in fear, one of another. 00:44:38.625 --> 00:44:41.458 We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason... 00:44:41.583 --> 00:44:44.250 ...if we dig deep in our history and doctrine... 00:44:44.458 --> 00:44:47.708 ...and remember that we are not descended from fearful men... 00:44:47.917 --> 00:44:51.417 ...not from men who feared to write, to associate, to speak... 00:44:51.542 --> 00:44:54.917 ...and to defend the causes that were for the moment unpopular. 00:44:55.500 --> 00:44:58.875 This is no time for men who oppose Senator McCarthy's methods... 00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:01.542 ...to keep silent, or for those who approve. 00:45:02.250 --> 00:45:04.792 Wec an deny our heritage and our history... 00:45:04.875 --> 00:45:07.667 ...but we cannot escape responsibility for the results. 00:45:08.292 --> 00:45:10.542 We proclaim ourselves, indeed as we are... 00:45:10.625 --> 00:45:14.583 ...the defenders of freedom wherever it continues to exist in the world... 00:45:14.708 --> 00:45:18.167 ...but we cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home. 00:45:18.833 --> 00:45:21.125 The actions of the junior Senator from Wisconsin... 00:45:21.250 --> 00:45:24.208 ...have caused alarm and dismay amongst our allies abroad... 00:45:24.333 --> 00:45:26.833 ...and given considerable comfort to our enemies. 00:45:27.500 --> 00:45:30.375 And whose fault is that? Not really his. 00:45:30.875 --> 00:45:33.167 He didn't create this situation of fear... 00:45:33.458 --> 00:45:36.417 ...he merely exploited it, and rather successfully. 00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:39.292 Cassius was right. 00:45:39.875 --> 00:45:44.208 "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves." 00:45:45.250 --> 00:45:47.292 Good night, and good luck. 00:45:55.042 --> 00:45:56.125 And we're out. 00:46:09.792 --> 00:46:10.792 Nothing? 00:46:14.042 --> 00:46:15.500 Maybe nobody watched. 00:46:20.625 --> 00:46:22.958 - We got nothing. - I don't know. - Nothing. 00:46:23.500 --> 00:46:26.042 Should I turn the phones back on, Mr. Williams? 00:46:27.583 --> 00:46:29.917 Yes. Now would be a good time for that. 00:46:30.708 --> 00:46:32.833 Turn the phones on! Turn the pho... 00:46:33.625 --> 00:46:35.208 Mr. Friendly wants the phones on. 00:46:35.333 --> 00:46:37.042 It's the Junior Senator calling collect. 00:46:37.167 --> 00:46:40.375 Don't kid yourself. It's Reed Harris thanking us for mentioning him. 00:46:40.500 --> 00:46:43.458 I don't know whether all of you have seen what I just saw... 00:46:43.583 --> 00:46:46.250 ...but I want to associate myself and this program... 00:46:46.375 --> 00:46:47.958 ...with what Ed Murrow has just said... 00:46:48.083 --> 00:46:50.792 ...and say I have never been prouder of CBS. 00:46:53.708 --> 00:46:57.750 Senator McCarthy said today that he would demand equal free television... 00:47:02.583 --> 00:47:06.458 Stevenson had charged that the Senator made demagoguery and deceit... 00:47:06.750 --> 00:47:08.500 ...the national policy... 00:47:11.208 --> 00:47:13.333 - Is that Hollenbeck? - Congratulations! 00:47:13.458 --> 00:47:14.458 Great show! 00:47:15.333 --> 00:47:16.583 Feel like a Scotch? 00:47:17.208 --> 00:47:19.250 I think everybody could use a Scotch. 00:48:10.917 --> 00:48:14.083 - It's 3:30, early editions are out. - I'm not worried about that. 00:48:14.208 --> 00:48:15.833 Of course not. Shirley, honey... 00:48:15.958 --> 00:48:18.875 ...would you go across the street and get the early editions? 00:48:19.000 --> 00:48:20.917 - All of them? - Just get O'Brian! 00:48:23.583 --> 00:48:25.458 - Hey, watch my drink! - Yeah. 00:48:57.833 --> 00:48:59.625 Okay. Here we go. 00:49:00.250 --> 00:49:03.125 - At last! - The Times. - The Times... 00:49:03.292 --> 00:49:04.292 - First? - Good. 00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:06.792 - Who wrote it? - Jack Gould. 00:49:07.375 --> 00:49:08.667 Gould... 00:49:09.208 --> 00:49:12.667 Edward R. Murrows television program on Senator Joseph R. McCarthy... 00:49:12.792 --> 00:49:16.583 ...was an exciting and provocative examination of the man and his methods. 00:49:16.708 --> 00:49:20.208 It was crusading journalism of high responsibility and courage. 00:49:20.333 --> 00:49:23.042 For TV so often plagued by timidity and hesitation... 00:49:23.167 --> 00:49:26.917 ...the program was a milestone that reflected enlightened citizenship. 00:49:27.083 --> 00:49:28.292 The program... Hold on! 00:49:28.417 --> 00:49:31.167 The program was no less an indictment of those who wish... 00:49:31.292 --> 00:49:34.333 ...the problems posed by the Senator's tactics and theatrics... 00:49:34.458 --> 00:49:36.417 ...would just go away and leave them alone. 00:49:36.542 --> 00:49:39.458 That was Mr. Murrows and television's triumph... 00:49:39.583 --> 00:49:41.083 ...and a very great one. 00:49:44.500 --> 00:49:45.583 Here! Here! 00:49:45.792 --> 00:49:47.875 - He hated it. - Yeah. What's his beef? 00:49:48.542 --> 00:49:50.375 Send the New YorkTimes abottle of Scotch. 00:49:50.500 --> 00:49:52.500 I already did. How do you think we got that review? 00:49:52.625 --> 00:49:54.542 - How's the Post? - Pretty good! 00:49:55.292 --> 00:49:57.250 - What about O'Brian? - Uh, the same. 00:49:58.792 --> 00:50:01.792 - Goon, read O'Brian! - I don't have it. 00:50:01.917 --> 00:50:03.333 - Got it. - Oh. Here. 00:50:05.625 --> 00:50:07.458 - There we go. - Shirley, that... 00:50:11.125 --> 00:50:14.667 We can't say we were surprised at Murrows "Hate McCarthy" telecast... 00:50:14.792 --> 00:50:17.708 ...last evening, when his explosively one-sided propaganda... 00:50:17.833 --> 00:50:21.125 ...edited with deviously clever selectivity from McCarthy's march... 00:50:21.250 --> 00:50:23.625 ...against Communism, was finished last evening... 00:50:23.750 --> 00:50:27.125 ...by equally Machiavellian coincidence the following telecast... 00:50:27.250 --> 00:50:30.208 ...featured Murrow's PM protege, Hollenbeck. 00:50:31.000 --> 00:50:33.333 In an obviously gloating mood, Hollenbeck... 00:50:33.458 --> 00:50:36.875 ...hoped viewers had witnessed his patron's triumph... 00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:38.292 ...from and for the Left. 00:50:39.500 --> 00:50:40.667 Soon. Soon... 00:50:40.792 --> 00:50:42.875 Shirley, it's okay. Go ahead, finish it. 00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:46.125 - No, that's it. That's it. - Shirley, please, finish it. 00:50:49.333 --> 00:50:53.958 The CBS has been in a lengthy "clean house of Lefties" mood. 00:50:54.083 --> 00:50:55.750 The worst offenders on lesser levels... 00:50:55.875 --> 00:50:58.042 ...have been quietly pushed out of the company. 00:50:58.167 --> 00:51:02.083 Don Hollenbeck, a graduate of the demised pinko publication PM... 00:51:02.208 --> 00:51:05.958 ...attacked conservative papers with sly and slanted propaganda. 00:51:06.083 --> 00:51:08.375 He then proceeded through an equally... 00:51:10.250 --> 00:51:12.000 ...tilted review of the day's events... 00:51:12.125 --> 00:51:15.458 ...with McCarthy dominating his words, actions, attitudes. 00:51:16.458 --> 00:51:17.417 Soon. 00:51:20.250 --> 00:51:23.125 - It's O'Brian. - He didn't get the Scotch, that's all. 00:51:23.625 --> 00:51:26.625 - Is it grammatically correct? - I'll have that cigarette, Ed. 00:51:28.208 --> 00:51:31.208 - Thanks, Shirley. - Oh. - Mmh. - Thank you. 00:51:31.417 --> 00:51:33.667 Joe... Shirley... 00:51:38.625 --> 00:51:39.875 It doesn't matter. 00:51:45.167 --> 00:51:46.250 To Jack Gould! 00:51:47.417 --> 00:51:50.250 - To Jack! To Jack! To Jack Gould! - To Jack Gould! 00:51:50.375 --> 00:51:51.333 I love Jack Gould! 00:51:53.333 --> 00:51:54.833 May he rest in peace. 00:51:57.083 --> 00:51:59.875 - Hello, Jimmy. - Fred, congratulations! - Thank you. 00:52:00.708 --> 00:52:03.042 I got such a hangover to go along with the ulcer. 00:52:03.167 --> 00:52:05.000 All the adguys on the 3rd floor watched the show. 00:52:05.125 --> 00:52:07.083 Got a good review in the New York Times. Jack Gould. 00:52:07.208 --> 00:52:08.542 We're putting out a press release... 00:52:08.667 --> 00:52:11.500 ...saying that calls came in 15 to 1 in favor of the show. - Really? 00:52:11.625 --> 00:52:13.958 - Yeah. - 15 to 1? - We got calls from everywhere. 00:52:14.292 --> 00:52:17.583 - East Coast or West Coast? - Yeah. Kansas City, Cincinnati... 00:52:18.625 --> 00:52:19.708 Mr. Paley... 00:52:20.833 --> 00:52:22.958 - Morning, Fred. - Morning, Mr. Paley. 00:52:28.042 --> 00:52:29.083 How's your wife? 00:52:29.583 --> 00:52:31.708 She's fine. We're getting ready to move. 00:52:31.833 --> 00:52:34.875 - Really? Where to? - Riverdale. We found a nice house there. 00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:35.958 It's nice there. 00:52:36.833 --> 00:52:37.875 Yes, sir. 00:52:44.958 --> 00:52:45.917 Excuse me. 00:52:46.167 --> 00:52:49.958 Fred! McCarthy wants William Buckey to do his rebuttal. 00:52:51.250 --> 00:52:52.292 I said no. 00:52:54.125 --> 00:52:55.125 Yes, sir. 00:53:01.542 --> 00:53:02.500 Hey, Johnny! 00:53:02.792 --> 00:53:05.000 - Radulovich has been reinstated. - What?! 00:53:05.125 --> 00:53:07.833 Radulovich... Guys! Radulovich has been reinstated. 00:53:07.958 --> 00:53:09.792 - Jesse! Jesse! - Where is Ed? 00:53:09.917 --> 00:53:12.417 - He's in the bullpen. Why? What's going on? - Jess! 00:53:12.542 --> 00:53:14.000 Got some very good news. 00:53:14.667 --> 00:53:17.708 Special announcement from the Secretary of the Air Force! 00:53:17.833 --> 00:53:19.833 Fellas! Listen up! Everyone! 00:53:20.708 --> 00:53:22.833 I have decided that it is consistent... 00:53:22.958 --> 00:53:25.667 ...with the interests of the National Security to retain... 00:53:25.792 --> 00:53:29.042 ...Lieutenant Radulovich in the United States Air Force. Stop. 00:53:29.250 --> 00:53:32.542 He is not, in my opinion, a security risk. Fullstop. 00:53:35.208 --> 00:53:38.792 There you go. Harold E. Talbott, Secretary from the Air Force. 00:53:39.500 --> 00:53:40.458 Great job! 00:53:40.583 --> 00:53:42.458 - Make a copy of that for me! - I will do, Fred! 00:53:42.583 --> 00:53:44.500 Back to work, guys! We got a lot of work to do. 00:53:44.625 --> 00:53:45.833 This means something. 00:53:45.958 --> 00:53:47.500 - Good news, huh? - Congratulations! 00:53:47.625 --> 00:53:51.625 - This absolutely means something. - Absolutely. This is the start of... 00:53:58.667 --> 00:53:59.625 Palmer! 00:54:02.750 --> 00:54:04.750 The CBS lawyers wanna talk to you. 00:54:08.375 --> 00:54:09.375 When? 00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:11.083 Tomorrow. 00:54:12.042 --> 00:54:15.375 I don't want you to get paranoid, they're talking to everybody. 00:54:15.500 --> 00:54:16.500 Any ideas? 00:54:18.125 --> 00:54:19.708 Just tell them what you know. 00:54:19.833 --> 00:54:22.500 - Now is that testimony true? - No, sir, it is not. 00:54:22.625 --> 00:54:25.792 Not at any time have I been a member of the Communist Party... 00:54:25.917 --> 00:54:28.208 ...and I have never seen a Communist card. 00:54:28.333 --> 00:54:30.625 - You've never seen a Communist card? - That's right. 00:54:30.750 --> 00:54:32.667 Have you ever attended any Communist meetings? 00:54:32.792 --> 00:54:34.375 No, sir, never. 00:54:34.500 --> 00:54:36.708 Have you ever subscribed to The Daily Worker? 00:54:36.833 --> 00:54:40.583 No, sir. I didn't subscribe to it and I wouldn't pay for it. 00:54:41.417 --> 00:54:46.583 Uh... Now, Mrs. Markward, who was working for the FBI... 00:54:47.333 --> 00:54:50.625 ...who joined the Communist Party under orders from the FBI... 00:54:50.792 --> 00:54:53.917 ...has testified that while she never met you personally... 00:54:54.167 --> 00:54:57.333 ...at a Communist meeting that your name was on the list... 00:54:57.458 --> 00:54:59.583 ...of Communists who were paying dues. 00:55:00.125 --> 00:55:02.833 Uh... Can you shed any light upon that? 00:55:03.750 --> 00:55:06.583 No, sir. I don't even know what the dues are... 00:55:06.792 --> 00:55:10.250 ...or where they were paid. - So you have never paid any money... 00:55:11.333 --> 00:55:13.125 ...to the Communist Party. 00:55:13.917 --> 00:55:15.583 - Is that correct? - That's right. 00:55:15.792 --> 00:55:17.875 You've never paid any dues, payment... 00:55:18.000 --> 00:55:19.625 Thank you very much, Leo! 00:55:20.583 --> 00:55:22.375 Good work, Joe, Charlie. 00:55:23.042 --> 00:55:24.333 Now what is the show? 00:55:24.458 --> 00:55:27.167 Is it defending Annie Lee Moss as not being a Communist? 00:55:27.292 --> 00:55:29.833 - Or is ither Constitutional rights? - Both. - The latter. 00:55:29.958 --> 00:55:32.375 We're much better sticking out the Constitutional issues. 00:55:32.500 --> 00:55:34.167 - Agreed? - The woman is not a Communist spy. 00:55:34.292 --> 00:55:36.875 Joe McCarthy said that they have a spy in the Pentagon... 00:55:37.000 --> 00:55:38.667 ...that spy has gotten into the code room... 00:55:38.792 --> 00:55:40.500 ...and that that spy is Annie Lee Moss. 00:55:40.625 --> 00:55:43.083 I've got New York Times reports. McCarthy asserts he has... 00:55:43.208 --> 00:55:46.000 ...a new red link to Army. Quote, "Senator McCarthy charged today..." 00:55:46.125 --> 00:55:48.625 "...that the Army now employs a woman in its code room..." 00:55:48.750 --> 00:55:51.292 "...who was, and still may be, an active Communist." 00:55:51.417 --> 00:55:52.875 It's the front page of the New York Times. 00:55:53.000 --> 00:55:56.625 No sooner is he done chastising the other committee members for wanting... 00:55:56.750 --> 00:55:59.667 ...to push into the afternoon, than what? Seven questions in... 00:55:59.792 --> 00:56:01.375 ...he ducks out, leaves... - Right. 00:56:01.500 --> 00:56:04.458 - Heleaves. - It's all over the headlines, all over the country. 00:56:04.583 --> 00:56:06.125 Get me copies from any newspaper... 00:56:06.250 --> 00:56:07.833 ...that printed anything about that assertion. 00:56:07.958 --> 00:56:11.250 That's a good idea. You should get the Cincinnati Inquirer. 00:56:11.375 --> 00:56:14.375 - Chicago. - Couple other pieces I think we should include. 00:56:14.500 --> 00:56:17.583 The fact that there's 3 Annie Lee Moss's in the phone book. 00:56:17.708 --> 00:56:20.708 There are 2 Robert Halls, one's colored, one's white. 00:56:20.833 --> 00:56:22.708 We have some footage of the empty chair. 00:56:22.833 --> 00:56:25.958 I think that says it all. Just that picture of McCarthy not... 00:56:26.083 --> 00:56:28.875 McCarthy leaving the hearing after 7 questions... 00:56:29.000 --> 00:56:31.125 ...and then we'll cut to the shot of thechair. 00:56:31.250 --> 00:56:33.917 - We gotta do something about it. - All right, so... 00:56:34.000 --> 00:56:37.833 Excuse me. Mr. Murrow! McCarthy wants April 6th. 00:56:41.667 --> 00:56:42.917 Thank you, Natalie. 00:56:47.583 --> 00:56:50.792 Fine. If Charlie shoots it, we get to see it first. We should offer. 00:56:50.917 --> 00:56:53.458 - It's a long shot. - What the hell could McCarthy do? 00:56:53.583 --> 00:56:56.042 Is he gonna debate himself? We just used his words! 00:56:59.417 --> 00:57:01.583 Johnny! Johnny! We know what it's going to be. 00:57:01.708 --> 00:57:04.667 He's going to come after me. There's nothing more he can do. 00:57:04.792 --> 00:57:07.250 He's gonna bet that a Senator trumps a newsman. 00:57:08.208 --> 00:57:09.208 He'll lose. 00:57:09.667 --> 00:57:11.250 Not if we're playing bridge. 00:57:13.000 --> 00:57:15.833 - I'm sorry, guys. I didn't mean to interrupt. - Hey, Don. 00:57:15.958 --> 00:57:18.083 - It's getting fun now! - Ed, you have aminute? 00:57:18.583 --> 00:57:22.167 - Yes, I'll be right there. - All right, boys. Playtime's over. 00:57:22.583 --> 00:57:23.917 We have 4 days... 00:57:24.208 --> 00:57:26.667 ...to do a 29 minute show. - Yeah. - All right. 00:57:26.792 --> 00:57:28.208 All right, go ahead. Hi, Mary. 00:57:28.333 --> 00:57:30.000 Hello, Mr. Hollenbeck. Mr. Murrow... 00:57:30.125 --> 00:57:31.917 - Could you give us a moment? - Sure. 00:57:33.833 --> 00:57:34.875 Thank you, dear. 00:57:36.667 --> 00:57:39.333 I have to ask you something, Ed. It's about O'Brian. 00:57:39.458 --> 00:57:41.333 - O'Brian doesn'tmatter. - He's killing me, Ed. 00:57:41.458 --> 00:57:43.208 He doesn't amount to that much in the newsroom. 00:57:43.333 --> 00:57:44.708 We've got to let that guy have it. 00:57:44.833 --> 00:57:48.083 We're not going after O'Brian. I will not take on McCarthy and Hearst. 00:57:48.208 --> 00:57:49.458 I can't defeat them both. 00:57:50.583 --> 00:57:53.833 Just don't read the papers. Or don't read O'Brian, anyway. 00:57:59.083 --> 00:58:01.333 Okay. I guess not. 00:58:02.667 --> 00:58:03.708 Sorry, Don. 00:58:17.833 --> 00:58:19.667 Although Mrs. Moss offered to testify... 00:58:19.792 --> 00:58:22.875 ...Senator McCarthy suggested that she was too sick. 00:58:23.000 --> 00:58:26.667 - She agreed... - Mr. Cohn wanted to know about Mrs. Moss's connection... 00:58:26.792 --> 00:58:30.417 ...to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth... 00:58:30.542 --> 00:58:31.667 ...so help you God? 00:58:35.500 --> 00:58:38.167 May we get your full name for the record, please? 00:58:38.542 --> 00:58:39.833 Annie Lee Moss. 00:58:41.000 --> 00:58:42.625 - M-O-S-S? - That's right. 00:58:43.000 --> 00:58:46.208 Mrs. Moss, let me say for the record, for your information... 00:58:46.333 --> 00:58:48.500 ...for the information of your counsel... 00:58:49.042 --> 00:58:50.958 ...that you are not here because... 00:58:52.333 --> 00:58:57.333 ...you are considered important in the Communist apparatus. 00:58:57.500 --> 00:59:00.958 We have the testimony that you are, and have been, a Communist. 00:59:02.208 --> 00:59:05.542 We are rather curious, however, to kno whow you suddenly... 00:59:06.875 --> 00:59:08.250 ...were shifted from... 00:59:10.208 --> 00:59:13.208 ...a worker in a cafeteria to the code room. 00:59:13.542 --> 00:59:16.792 I am today much more interested... 00:59:17.583 --> 00:59:21.250 ...in the handling of your case... 00:59:22.042 --> 00:59:25.208 ...by your superiors than in your own personal activities. 00:59:25.625 --> 00:59:29.750 However, counsel will question you about your own activities also. 00:59:30.125 --> 00:59:33.167 - Mr. Chairman! - We will not hear from counsel. 00:59:33.792 --> 00:59:35.750 You have been told what the rule is. 00:59:36.083 --> 00:59:39.083 If you have anything to say, say it through your client. 00:59:42.792 --> 00:59:46.500 Chairman. Did you begin work at the General Accounting Office in... 00:59:47.417 --> 00:59:49.583 ...1945? - Yes, sir. 00:59:50.500 --> 00:59:54.708 And, prior to that time, had you been a cafeteria worker? 00:59:54.833 --> 00:59:56.125 Yes, I had. 00:59:56.458 --> 01:00:00.750 I see. While in the Pentagon, since 1950... 01:00:01.125 --> 01:00:03.833 ...have you had any connections with coded messages? 01:00:03.958 --> 01:00:05.875 Have you ever handled coded messages? 01:00:07.000 --> 01:00:09.500 - No more than to transmit 'em. - Pardon me? 01:00:09.833 --> 01:00:12.000 No more than to transmit the message. 01:00:12.125 --> 01:00:14.458 Than to transmit them? Did you transmit codes? 01:00:14.583 --> 01:00:17.250 To receive or transmit messages was all I had to do. 01:00:17.375 --> 01:00:19.958 And I've never been into a courtroom in my life. 01:00:20.542 --> 01:00:21.792 Do you know the... 01:00:23.833 --> 01:00:25.458 ...type of classification... 01:00:25.583 --> 01:00:29.708 - Do you know if they were secret, top secret, confidential? - No, sir. 01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:33.333 - You wouldn't know the degree of classification? - No, sir. 01:00:33.792 --> 01:00:34.792 I see. 01:00:36.083 --> 01:00:39.167 I'm afraid I'm going to have to excuse myself, I've got... 01:00:40.375 --> 01:00:44.375 ...a rather important appointment to work on right now... 01:00:44.500 --> 01:00:48.708 ...and I wonder if, Senator Mundt, you would takeover as Chairman? 01:00:53.708 --> 01:00:55.208 - Chairman. Uh... - Cohn. 01:00:55.333 --> 01:00:58.333 I have no further questions of this witness at this time. 01:00:58.458 --> 01:01:02.542 We have the testimony of Mrs. Markward, the undercover agent for the FBI... 01:01:02.875 --> 01:01:06.375 ...stating that Annie Lee Moss was a member, a dues-paying member... 01:01:06.500 --> 01:01:08.208 ...of the Communist Party... 01:01:08.708 --> 01:01:10.958 ...the Northeast Club of the Communist Party. 01:01:11.083 --> 01:01:14.375 We have corroboration of that testimony by another... 01:01:15.417 --> 01:01:17.625 ...witness who was called before the Committee... 01:01:17.750 --> 01:01:19.542 ...and gave a sworn statement to the effect... 01:01:19.667 --> 01:01:22.333 ...that she also knew Mrs. Moss as a member... 01:01:22.417 --> 01:01:24.417 ...of the Northeast Club of the Communist Party. 01:01:24.542 --> 01:01:28.750 She's already lost her job. She's been suspended because of this action. 01:01:29.542 --> 01:01:33.042 I'm not defending her. If she's a Communist, I want her exposed. 01:01:33.417 --> 01:01:37.042 But to make these statements as we've got corroborating evidence... 01:01:37.542 --> 01:01:40.667 ...that she is a Communist, under these circumstances... 01:01:40.792 --> 01:01:44.375 ...I think she's entitled to have it produced here in her presence... 01:01:44.583 --> 01:01:47.833 ...and let the public know about it and let her know about it. 01:01:51.292 --> 01:01:54.542 I don't like to try people by hearsay evidence. 01:01:55.958 --> 01:01:58.667 I'd like to get the witnesses here and try them... 01:02:00.417 --> 01:02:02.083 ...by testimony, under oath. 01:02:02.417 --> 01:02:05.958 The Chair will rule that the comment of Mr. Cohn... 01:02:06.083 --> 01:02:07.667 ...be stricken from the record. 01:02:07.958 --> 01:02:10.458 I didnt ask that, Mr. Chairman! 01:02:10.583 --> 01:02:13.167 ...whether we should try to produce a witness in public... 01:02:13.292 --> 01:02:16.458 ...because the FBI may have her undercover and we don't want to... 01:02:16.583 --> 01:02:21.083 You can't strike these statements made by counsel here as to evidence... 01:02:21.208 --> 01:02:25.375 ...that we're having and withholding. You cannot strike that from the press... 01:02:25.500 --> 01:02:30.583 ...nor from the public mind once it's planted there. That's the... 01:02:32.542 --> 01:02:33.833 ...evil of it! 01:02:34.167 --> 01:02:37.333 - Well, I'd look at it... - I don't think it's fair to a witness... 01:02:37.458 --> 01:02:38.875 ...to a citizen of this country... 01:02:39.000 --> 01:02:41.042 ...to bring them up here and cross-examine them... 01:02:41.167 --> 01:02:42.542 ...then when they get through, say... 01:02:42.667 --> 01:02:45.583 ..."The FBI has got something on you that condemns you." 01:02:45.708 --> 01:02:48.375 - The Chair agrees... - It is not sworn testimony... 01:02:48.500 --> 01:02:52.083 ...it's convicting people by rumor and hearsay and innuendo. 01:02:53.792 --> 01:02:57.375 You will notice that neither Senator McClellan or Senator Symington... 01:02:57.500 --> 01:03:01.792 ...nor this reporter know or claim that Mrs. Moss was or is a Communist. 01:03:02.458 --> 01:03:06.917 They simply claimed that she had the right to meet her accusers face to face. 01:03:21.833 --> 01:03:25.875 One month ago tonight we presented a report on Senator Joseph R. McCarthy. 01:03:26.333 --> 01:03:28.083 We labeled it as controversial. 01:03:28.667 --> 01:03:32.292 Most of that report consisted of words and pictures of the Senator. 01:03:32.917 --> 01:03:34.417 At that time, we said... 01:03:34.625 --> 01:03:38.500 ..."If theSenator believes we havedone violence to his words or pictures..." 01:03:38.625 --> 01:03:41.167 "...if he desires to speak, to answer himself..." 01:03:41.292 --> 01:03:44.375 "...an opportunity would be afforded him on this program." 01:03:44.708 --> 01:03:48.375 The Senator sought the opportunity after 3 weeks... 01:03:48.500 --> 01:03:52.542 ...because he was very busy and wished adequate time to prepare his reply. 01:03:53.125 --> 01:03:54.125 We agreed. 01:03:54.667 --> 01:03:58.792 We placed no restrictions on the manner of the presentation of his reply... 01:03:58.958 --> 01:04:02.000 ...and we suggested that we would not take time to comment... 01:04:02.125 --> 01:04:03.833 ...on this particular program. 01:04:04.417 --> 01:04:08.333 Here now is Senator Joseph R. McCarthy, junior Senator from Wisconsin. 01:04:09.792 --> 01:04:16.083 Good evening. Mr. Edward R. Murrow, Educational Director of the CBS... 01:04:17.125 --> 01:04:19.417 ...devoted his program to an attack... 01:04:19.542 --> 01:04:22.708 ...on the work ofthe US Senate Investigating Committee... 01:04:23.167 --> 01:04:25.333 ...and on me personally as its Chairman. 01:04:26.208 --> 01:04:29.792 Now, over the past 4 years, he has made repeated attacks upon me... 01:04:30.292 --> 01:04:32.042 ...and those fighting Communists. 01:04:33.500 --> 01:04:36.667 Of course, neither Joe McCarthy nor Edward R. Murrow... 01:04:37.375 --> 01:04:40.250 ...is of any great importance as individuals. 01:04:41.375 --> 01:04:42.833 We are only important... 01:04:43.208 --> 01:04:47.208 ...in our relation to the great struggle to preserve our American liberties. 01:04:47.708 --> 01:04:52.375 Now ordinarily, I wouldnt take time out from the important work at hand... 01:04:53.167 --> 01:04:54.375 ...to answer Murrow. 01:04:54.917 --> 01:04:56.417 However, in this case... 01:04:56.542 --> 01:05:00.292 ...I feel justified in doing so because Murrow is the symbol... 01:05:01.083 --> 01:05:02.125 ...the leader... 01:05:02.458 --> 01:05:07.542 ...and the cleverest of the jackal pack which is always found at the throat... 01:05:08.000 --> 01:05:12.000 ...of anyone who dares to expose individual Communists and traitors. 01:05:13.208 --> 01:05:15.125 And I am compelled by the fact... 01:05:15.583 --> 01:05:18.042 ...to say to you that Mr. Edward R. Murrow... 01:05:18.667 --> 01:05:21.167 ...as far back as 20 years ago... 01:05:21.875 --> 01:05:25.250 ...was engaged in propaganda for Communist causes. 01:05:26.500 --> 01:05:29.500 For example, the Institute of International Education... 01:05:29.750 --> 01:05:31.958 ...of which he was the Acting Director... 01:05:32.583 --> 01:05:35.500 ...was chosen to act as a representative... 01:05:35.917 --> 01:05:37.542 ...by a Soviet agency... 01:05:38.708 --> 01:05:44.083 ...to do a job which would normally be done by the Russian secret police. 01:05:45.042 --> 01:05:48.667 Mr. Murrow, by his own admission, was a member of the IWW... 01:05:48.792 --> 01:05:51.292 ...that's the Industrial Workers of the World... 01:05:51.417 --> 01:05:54.167 ...a terrorist organization cited as subversive... 01:05:54.792 --> 01:05:57.250 ...by an Attorney General of the United States. 01:05:57.458 --> 01:06:00.750 Mr. Murrow said on this program and I quote... 01:06:01.583 --> 01:06:05.250 ..."The actions of the junior Senator from Wisconsin..." 01:06:06.625 --> 01:06:10.625 "...have given considerable comfort to the enemy." 01:06:11.292 --> 01:06:15.167 That is the language of our statute of treason, rather strong language. 01:06:15.958 --> 01:06:21.292 If I am giving comfort to our enemies, I ought not to be in the Senate. 01:06:21.625 --> 01:06:23.500 If, on the other hand, Mr. Murrow... 01:06:24.000 --> 01:06:26.042 ...is giving comfort to our enemies... 01:06:26.333 --> 01:06:28.750 ...he ought not to be brought into the homes... 01:06:29.000 --> 01:06:32.542 ...of millions of Americans by the CBS. 01:06:32.708 --> 01:06:34.125 And I want to assure you... 01:06:35.292 --> 01:06:38.250 ...that I will not be deterred... 01:06:39.042 --> 01:06:44.833 ...by the attacks of the Murrows, the Lattimores, the Fosters... 01:06:45.667 --> 01:06:49.583 ...The Daily Worker or the Communist Party itself. 01:06:51.792 --> 01:06:54.875 And I make no claim to leadership. 01:06:57.208 --> 01:06:58.750 Incomplete humility... 01:07:00.625 --> 01:07:04.708 ...I do ask you and every American who loves this country... 01:07:05.458 --> 01:07:07.042 ...to join with me. 01:07:35.125 --> 01:07:37.167 [Everyone talks about the weather.] 01:07:38.042 --> 01:07:40.833 [Wherever you look on America's modern farms...] 01:07:41.167 --> 01:07:45.583 [... aluminum is on the job, helping the farmer do something about the weather.] 01:07:46.500 --> 01:07:49.708 [Aluminum for the farm is one more example of how Alcoa...] 01:07:49.833 --> 01:07:51.167 [... since 1999...] 01:07:51.542 --> 01:07:55.333 [... has continued to pioneer new uses for this vital metal.] 01:07:55.958 --> 01:08:00.042 [New uses of aluminum that mean better farms and better farming.] 01:08:00.708 --> 01:08:04.333 The aluminum from the nation's first and leading producer...] 01:08:04.958 --> 01:08:08.375 [... Alcoa, Aluminum Company of America.] 01:08:08.917 --> 01:08:11.375 Last week, Senator McCarthy appeared on this program... 01:08:11.500 --> 01:08:13.958 ...to correct any errors he might have thought we made... 01:08:14.083 --> 01:08:15.625 ...in our report of March 9th. 01:08:15.750 --> 01:08:19.125 Since he made no reference to any statements of fact that we made... 01:08:19.250 --> 01:08:21.958 ...we must conclude that he found no errors of fact. 01:08:22.917 --> 01:08:25.375 He proved again that anyone who exposes him... 01:08:25.500 --> 01:08:30.083 ...anyone who doesn't share his disregard for decency and human dignity... 01:08:30.250 --> 01:08:32.708 ...and the rights guaranteed by the Constitution... 01:08:32.833 --> 01:08:35.500 ...must be either a Communist or a fellow traveler. 01:08:36.125 --> 01:08:37.875 I fully expected this treatment. 01:08:38.708 --> 01:08:42.125 The Senator added this reporter's name to a long list of individuals... 01:08:42.250 --> 01:08:45.708 ...and institutions he has accused of serving the Communist cause. 01:08:46.125 --> 01:08:47.833 His proposition is very simple: 01:08:48.208 --> 01:08:51.667 ...anyone who criticizes or opposes Senator McCarthy's methods... 01:08:51.917 --> 01:08:53.292 ...must be a Communist. 01:08:54.042 --> 01:08:57.750 And if that be true, there are an awful lot of Communists in the USA. 01:08:58.458 --> 01:09:02.042 For the record, let's consider briefly some of the Senator's charges. 01:09:02.167 --> 01:09:04.208 He claimed, but offered no proof... 01:09:04.333 --> 01:09:07.625 ...that I had been a member of the Industrial Workers of the World. 01:09:07.750 --> 01:09:08.875 That is false. 01:09:09.542 --> 01:09:13.250 I was never a member ofthe IWW, never applied for membership. 01:09:14.417 --> 01:09:16.958 The Senator charged that Professor Harold Laski... 01:09:17.083 --> 01:09:20.083 ...a British scholar and politician, dedicated a book to me. 01:09:20.208 --> 01:09:21.250 That's true. 01:09:21.583 --> 01:09:25.000 He is dead. He was a socialist, I am not. 01:09:26.083 --> 01:09:27.750 He was a civilized individual... 01:09:27.875 --> 01:09:31.083 ...who did not insist upon agreement with his political principles... 01:09:31.208 --> 01:09:34.000 ...as a pre-condition for conversation or friendship. 01:09:34.458 --> 01:09:36.667 I do not agree with his political ideas. 01:09:37.625 --> 01:09:40.083 I ask, as he makes clear in the introduction... 01:09:40.208 --> 01:09:43.625 ...dedicated the book to me, not because of political agreement... 01:09:43.750 --> 01:09:47.542 ...but because he held my wartime broadcast from London in high regard. 01:09:48.083 --> 01:09:49.750 And the dedication so reads. 01:09:51.375 --> 01:09:53.792 I believed 20 years ago and I believe today... 01:09:54.292 --> 01:09:57.875 ...that mature Americans can engage in conversation and controversy... 01:09:58.000 --> 01:10:01.208 ...the clash of ideas, with Communists anywhere in the world... 01:10:01.333 --> 01:10:03.833 ...without becoming contaminated or converted. 01:10:04.667 --> 01:10:07.208 I believe that our faith, our conviction... 01:10:07.625 --> 01:10:10.083 ...our determination are stronger than theirs... 01:10:10.417 --> 01:10:14.792 ...and that we can successfully compete, not only in the area of bombs... 01:10:15.292 --> 01:10:17.083 ...but in the area of ideas. 01:10:19.375 --> 01:10:22.042 I have worked with CBS for more than 19 years. 01:10:22.417 --> 01:10:26.125 The company has subscribed fully to my integrity and responsibility... 01:10:26.250 --> 01:10:28.625 ...as a broadcaster and as a loyal American. 01:10:29.500 --> 01:10:32.917 I require no lectures from the junior Senator from Wisconsin... 01:10:33.042 --> 01:10:35.625 ...as to the dangers or terrors of Communism. 01:10:36.792 --> 01:10:39.125 Having searched my conscience and my files... 01:10:39.250 --> 01:10:42.250 ...I cannot contend that I have always been right or wise... 01:10:42.375 --> 01:10:45.458 ...but I have attempted to pursue thet ruth with diligence... 01:10:45.583 --> 01:10:46.667 ...and to report it... 01:10:46.792 --> 01:10:49.833 ...even though, as in this case, I had been warned in advance... 01:10:49.958 --> 01:10:53.458 ...that I would be subjected to the attentions of Senator McCarthy. 01:10:54.458 --> 01:10:58.542 We shall hope to deal with matters of more vital interest next week. 01:10:59.417 --> 01:11:01.042 Good night, and good luck. 01:11:08.792 --> 01:11:12.542 In the last analysis, the Senator was perched on the television high dive... 01:11:12.667 --> 01:11:14.917 ...and all prepared to make a resounding splash. 01:11:15.042 --> 01:11:17.708 He jumped beautifully, but he neglected to check first... 01:11:17.833 --> 01:11:20.583 ...where he was going to land. It must have been a shock... 01:11:20.667 --> 01:11:24.167 ...to discover that Mr. Murrow had drained the water out of the pool. 01:11:25.083 --> 01:11:27.625 - Is that the Times? Gould? - Yeah, it's Jack Gould. 01:11:27.750 --> 01:11:29.792 - He's a hell of a writer. - Yes, he is. 01:11:30.458 --> 01:11:33.083 - If we can afford him! - Stanton's got a public opinion... 01:11:33.167 --> 01:11:34.750 Senate's investigating McCarthy. 01:11:35.875 --> 01:11:36.875 What? 01:11:37.042 --> 01:11:40.625 The Army's charging that McCarthy and Cohn exercised undue pressure... 01:11:40.750 --> 01:11:44.083 ...to get preferential treatment for Schine. - Who's the source? 01:11:44.208 --> 01:11:48.208 - Got a second source? - There isn't, but this is coming out in 2 hours. 01:11:48.333 --> 01:11:51.625 - Who's heading up the investigation? - It's not gonna be McCarthy! 01:11:51.750 --> 01:11:53.500 - Really? - What happened? 01:11:53.708 --> 01:11:56.542 - Also get me the Washington Post! - What's going on? 01:11:56.667 --> 01:11:58.125 It's Williams for Jack Thompson. 01:11:58.250 --> 01:12:00.000 The Senate's investigating McCarthy. 01:12:00.875 --> 01:12:02.958 There is an added bit of comedy to this whole story. 01:12:03.083 --> 01:12:05.042 The Committee cannot convene for several days... 01:12:05.167 --> 01:12:07.875 ...because Senator McCarthy has a slight case of laryngitis. 01:12:08.000 --> 01:12:11.833 And he must recover over the desert air of Arizona. 01:12:15.167 --> 01:12:18.667 - But Stevens is going after him and it looks like Joe Welch. - Yeah. 01:12:18.792 --> 01:12:21.167 They're gonna allow each side to call witnesses... 01:12:21.292 --> 01:12:23.083 ...and be privy to other testimony. 01:12:23.417 --> 01:12:27.250 - Fred, we still have a meeting! - We're gonna go to talk toThompson. 01:12:29.833 --> 01:12:31.292 No, thanks, Jack. Bye. 01:12:32.208 --> 01:12:35.125 Freddy, we're a hit. Right up there with "Howdy Dowdy"! 01:12:36.458 --> 01:12:38.417 Can I have an outlet satellite, please? 01:12:40.292 --> 01:12:46.875 - 74, 76,47. Thank you. - Murrayville3, 1-2-7-6. 01:13:06.875 --> 01:13:10.000 The fact of newscaster Don Hollenbeck's suicide yesterday... 01:13:10.125 --> 01:13:14.042 ...does not remove from the record that peculiar history... 01:13:14.792 --> 01:13:19.792 ...of the leftist slanting of news indulged consistently by the CBS. 01:13:21.208 --> 01:13:24.417 Hollenbeck was what most astute students of CBS's strange... 01:13:24.792 --> 01:13:27.083 ...and questionable new methods considered... 01:13:27.208 --> 01:13:32.750 ..."typical of its newscasters". By Jack O'Brian. 01:15:06.917 --> 01:15:08.917 Oh, yeah. I like it like that. 01:15:11.208 --> 01:15:15.083 One of the best programs I ever heard was called "CBS Views The Press". 01:15:15.833 --> 01:15:18.250 A great many people liked it, some didn't... 01:15:18.667 --> 01:15:21.250 ...but noone ever called it anything but honest. 01:15:21.708 --> 01:15:25.458 It was the work of an honest reporter. Don Hollenbeck. 01:15:26.417 --> 01:15:28.792 He also worked occasionally on "See It Now'. 01:15:29.500 --> 01:15:32.333 He did the 11 p.m. News over some of these stations. 01:15:33.083 --> 01:15:35.750 He had been sick lately and he died this morning. 01:15:36.375 --> 01:15:38.917 The police said it was suicide... gas. 01:15:40.667 --> 01:15:41.917 Not much of an obit. 01:15:42.417 --> 01:15:45.542 But, at least we got our facts straight, and it was brief. 01:15:46.625 --> 01:15:49.125 And that's all Don Hollenbeck would have asked. 01:15:50.125 --> 01:15:51.875 Good night, and good luck. 01:15:57.542 --> 01:15:59.625 Got to be in Philadelphia this morning. 01:16:00.750 --> 01:16:02.208 What time is your train? 01:16:03.333 --> 01:16:04.292 9:00. 01:16:05.917 --> 01:16:08.458 - Charlie going with you? - Uh-huh. 01:16:17.458 --> 01:16:18.667 Here's a thought. 01:16:20.542 --> 01:16:21.875 What if we're wrong? 01:16:24.583 --> 01:16:25.792 We're not wrong. 01:16:27.542 --> 01:16:29.208 We're not going to look back... 01:16:31.292 --> 01:16:33.375 ...and say we protected the wrong side? 01:16:35.833 --> 01:16:41.167 Protected them from what? In the name of what? What would we be preserving? 01:16:42.292 --> 01:16:45.667 Argument could bemade, 'for the greater good". 01:16:47.958 --> 01:16:50.625 Not once you give it all away. It's no good then. 01:16:52.375 --> 01:16:53.708 It's just a thought. 01:17:00.458 --> 01:17:05.167 Senator, may we not drop this? We know he belonged to the Lawyer's Guild. 01:17:05.292 --> 01:17:07.833 And Mr. Cohn nods his head at me. 01:17:08.083 --> 01:17:11.875 - I did you, I think, no personal injury, Mr. Cohn. - No, sir. 01:17:12.000 --> 01:17:14.583 - I meant to do you no personal injury. - No. 01:17:14.750 --> 01:17:17.833 And if I did, I beg your pardon. 01:17:18.292 --> 01:17:23.708 Let us not assassinate this lad further, Senator. You've done enough. 01:17:24.083 --> 01:17:27.583 - Let's... let's... - Have you no sense of decency, sir? 01:17:27.833 --> 01:17:32.917 At long last, have you left no sense of decency? 01:17:33.333 --> 01:17:37.292 - I know this hurts you, Mr. Welch. - Senator, I think it hurts you, too. 01:17:37.458 --> 01:17:40.917 - I'd like to finish this. - Have you some private reservation... 01:17:41.042 --> 01:17:44.792 ...when you take the oath that you will tell the whole truth... 01:17:45.208 --> 01:17:48.333 ...that lets you be the judge of what you will testify to? 01:17:48.542 --> 01:17:52.125 The answer is there's no reservation about telling the whole truth. 01:17:52.292 --> 01:17:57.667 Thank you, sir. Then tell us who delivered the documents to you! 01:17:57.750 --> 01:18:00.750 I don't want to mean that this new fashion is not chic. 01:18:00.875 --> 01:18:04.583 - I think it's just no good for me. - Uh, not for you. 01:18:04.917 --> 01:18:07.583 Milko, anything you care to say on that subject? 01:18:07.708 --> 01:18:09.042 I think no comment. 01:18:12.708 --> 01:18:16.042 It's got to be there. If you can't find it, I cant write about it. 01:18:16.167 --> 01:18:18.542 - Check again. - Charlie said he dropped it off. 01:18:18.667 --> 01:18:21.792 - Charlie said he dropped... - Shirley, can I see you a minute? 01:18:22.042 --> 01:18:23.625 - I got to call you back. - Joe! 01:18:23.792 --> 01:18:24.750 You, too. 01:18:35.042 --> 01:18:36.125 Close the door. 01:18:39.417 --> 01:18:40.458 Have a seat. 01:18:44.125 --> 01:18:47.208 - How are you? - Fine, thank you. - Swell. Yeah. 01:18:47.917 --> 01:18:50.958 Uh, you both are aware that there's a policy at CBS... 01:18:51.083 --> 01:18:53.167 ...that no two employees can be married. 01:18:56.000 --> 01:18:59.375 I want to ask you a question, but I don't want you to answer it. 01:18:59.500 --> 01:19:01.208 I want you to consider it. 01:19:02.417 --> 01:19:04.042 I know you two are married. 01:19:06.167 --> 01:19:07.250 Everyone knows. 01:19:08.458 --> 01:19:09.708 That's not my question. 01:19:10.125 --> 01:19:13.167 In the next few weeks I have to lay off a couple of people. 01:19:13.292 --> 01:19:16.083 We're making some significant cuts across the board. 01:19:17.417 --> 01:19:19.000 I wanted you to know that... 01:19:19.250 --> 01:19:22.167 ...because you could save someone else being fired. 01:19:24.375 --> 01:19:28.208 I'm asking you to consider makng this decision a little easier. 01:19:30.583 --> 01:19:32.208 I don't need an answer now. 01:19:33.792 --> 01:19:35.792 Just think about it. 01:19:37.458 --> 01:19:38.458 Good. 01:19:50.417 --> 01:19:51.625 - Well, Joe... - Well? 01:19:52.042 --> 01:19:55.250 - Sure we'regonna miss you around here. - I'll pack my things. 01:19:58.542 --> 01:20:01.208 - I think it's for the best. - We'll find out! 01:20:03.875 --> 01:20:05.125 Mrs. Wershba... 01:20:08.042 --> 01:20:09.167 Everybody knew. 01:20:18.250 --> 01:20:20.167 Natalie, did he say what it was about? 01:20:20.250 --> 01:20:23.125 No. Just that he wanted to talk to you in his office. 01:20:38.875 --> 01:20:39.958 Uh-oh! 01:20:43.417 --> 01:20:46.833 The problem isn't simply that you've lost your sponsor. 01:20:47.208 --> 01:20:49.542 With Alcoa, "See It Now" still loses money. 01:20:49.667 --> 01:20:51.000 The fee is 50,000 dollars. 01:20:51.125 --> 01:20:53.667 Last week's episode we did for less than 50,000 dollars. 01:20:53.792 --> 01:20:55.667 Fred, you're speakng beyond your competence. 01:20:55.792 --> 01:20:58.167 We'll certainly find another sponsor. 01:20:58.292 --> 01:21:01.958 "64,000 Dollar Question" brings in over 90,000 in sponsors... 01:21:02.083 --> 01:21:04.250 ...and it costs one-third of what youdo. 01:21:04.375 --> 01:21:07.333 Ed, I've got Tuesday night programming that's number one. 01:21:07.458 --> 01:21:10.875 People want to enjoy themselves. They don't want a civics lesson. 01:21:11.000 --> 01:21:13.875 - What do you want, Bill? - I don't want to get a stomachache... 01:21:14.000 --> 01:21:16.458 ...every time you take on a controversial subject. 01:21:18.208 --> 01:21:21.250 I'm afraid that's the price you have to be willing to pay. 01:21:22.667 --> 01:21:25.625 Let's walk very carefully through these next few moments. 01:21:25.750 --> 01:21:28.125 The content of what we're doing is more important... 01:21:28.250 --> 01:21:31.583 ...than what some guy in Cincinnati... - It's what you'redoing, Ed. Not me. 01:21:31.708 --> 01:21:32.792 Not Frank Stanton. You. 01:21:33.167 --> 01:21:37.167 "CBS News", "See It Now" all belong to you, Bill. 01:21:37.250 --> 01:21:38.375 You wouldn't know it. 01:21:40.167 --> 01:21:44.917 - What is it you want? Credit? - I never censored a single program. 01:21:45.917 --> 01:21:50.292 I hold on to affiliates who wanted entertainment from us. 01:21:50.708 --> 01:21:52.458 I fight to keep the license... 01:21:52.583 --> 01:21:55.917 ...with the very same politicians that you are bringing down... 01:21:56.000 --> 01:22:01.042 ...and I never, never said no to you. Never. 01:22:02.458 --> 01:22:05.542 I would argue that we have done very well by one another. 01:22:06.708 --> 01:22:08.583 I would argue that this network... 01:22:09.875 --> 01:22:12.875 ...is defined by what the news department has accomplished. 01:22:13.000 --> 01:22:17.000 And I would also argue that never saying no is not the same as not censoring. 01:22:17.125 --> 01:22:20.250 Really? You should teach journalism. You and Mr. Friendly. 01:22:26.667 --> 01:22:27.958 Let me ask you this: 01:22:29.708 --> 01:22:31.458 ...why didn't you correct McCarthy... 01:22:31.583 --> 01:22:34.583 ...when he said that Alger Hiss was convicted of treason? 01:22:34.833 --> 01:22:38.458 He was only convicted of perjury. You corrected everything else. 01:22:39.167 --> 01:22:42.333 Did you not want the appearance of defending a known Communist? 01:22:42.458 --> 01:22:45.250 I would argue that everyone censors, including you. 01:22:49.292 --> 01:22:50.958 What do you want to do, Bill? 01:22:55.000 --> 01:22:57.917 I'm takng your program from a half an hour to an hour. 01:22:58.042 --> 01:23:01.500 And it wont be a weekly program and it won't be Tuesday nights. 01:23:02.167 --> 01:23:04.500 - When would it be? - Sunday afternoons. 01:23:08.042 --> 01:23:10.292 - How many episodes? - 5. 01:23:13.042 --> 01:23:14.958 Why don't you just fire me, Bill? 01:23:15.125 --> 01:23:17.458 I don't think it's what either of us wants. 01:23:21.958 --> 01:23:23.292 You owe me 5 shows. 01:23:33.333 --> 01:23:35.917 - You won't like the subject matter. - Probably not. 01:23:36.083 --> 01:23:38.250 Fred, I'll need you for a moment. 01:23:53.000 --> 01:23:55.292 - Thank you, Mary. - Goodbye, Mr. Friendly. 01:24:01.542 --> 01:24:04.833 - He wants me to lay a few people off. - I'm sure he does. 01:24:05.042 --> 01:24:08.042 Let's do our first show about the downfall of television. 01:24:11.208 --> 01:24:14.583 - Senate's gonna vote to censure McCarthy tomorrow. - Probably. 01:24:14.708 --> 01:24:17.875 - And then what happens? - He sits in the back row. - Right. 01:24:18.250 --> 01:24:22.417 - They keep him in the Senate. They don't kick him out. - No, he stays. 01:24:33.083 --> 01:24:35.250 Well, we might as well go down swinging. 01:24:39.292 --> 01:24:42.167 Did you know the most trusted man in America is Milton Berle? 01:24:42.292 --> 01:24:44.208 See, you should have worn a dress! 01:24:45.958 --> 01:24:48.542 - Howd does a Scotch sound? - Scotch sounds good. 01:24:49.625 --> 01:24:52.125 - Did you know Joe and Shirley were married? - Sure. 01:24:52.250 --> 01:24:54.250 - Did everyone know? - Pretty much. 01:24:54.375 --> 01:24:57.125 We are proud because from the beginning of this nation... 01:24:57.625 --> 01:24:59.042 ...man can walk upright. 01:25:01.792 --> 01:25:04.000 No matter who he is or who she is. 01:25:04.917 --> 01:25:08.833 He can walk upright and meet his friend or his enemy. 01:25:09.708 --> 01:25:12.750 And he does not fear that because that enemy... 01:25:13.750 --> 01:25:15.875 ...may be in a position of great power... 01:25:16.875 --> 01:25:21.625 ...that he can be suddenly thrown in jail... 01:25:23.208 --> 01:25:26.667 ...to rott here without charges and with no recourse to justice. 01:25:28.750 --> 01:25:31.792 We have the Habeas Corpus Act and we respect it. 01:25:32.625 --> 01:25:35.833 I began by saying that our history will be what we makeit. 01:25:36.625 --> 01:25:38.125 If we go on as we are... 01:25:38.458 --> 01:25:42.000 ...then history will take its revenge, and retribution will not limp... 01:25:42.083 --> 01:25:43.500 ...in catching up with us. 01:25:45.042 --> 01:25:49.000 Just once in a while, let us exalt the importance of ideas and information. 01:25:50.375 --> 01:25:53.833 Let us dream to the extent of saying that on a given Sunday night... 01:25:53.958 --> 01:25:56.167 ...the time normally occupied by Ed Sullivan... 01:25:56.292 --> 01:26:00.042 ...is given over to a clinical survey on the state of American education. 01:26:00.167 --> 01:26:03.542 And a week or two later, the time normally used by Steve Allen... 01:26:03.667 --> 01:26:07.917 ...is devoted to a thorough-going study of American policy in the Middle East. 01:26:08.917 --> 01:26:12.417 Would the corporate image of their respective sponsors be damaged? 01:26:12.750 --> 01:26:15.917 Would the shareholders rise up in their wrath and complain? 01:26:16.750 --> 01:26:17.708 Would anything happen... 01:26:17.833 --> 01:26:21.583 ...other than a few million people would have received a little illumination... 01:26:21.667 --> 01:26:24.917 ...on subjects that may well determine the future of this country... 01:26:25.042 --> 01:26:27.500 ...and therefore the future of the corporations? 01:26:28.292 --> 01:26:31.667 To those who say, "People wouldn't look, they wouldn't be interested..." 01:26:31.792 --> 01:26:34.750 "...they're tooc omplacent, indifferent and insulated"... 01:26:35.000 --> 01:26:38.833 ...I can only reply: There is, in one reporter's opinion... 01:26:39.292 --> 01:26:41.917 ...considerable evidence against that contention. 01:26:43.000 --> 01:26:45.958 But even if they are right, what have they got to lose? 01:26:46.250 --> 01:26:47.792 Because if they are right... 01:26:47.917 --> 01:26:49.917 ...and this instrument is good for nothing... 01:26:50.042 --> 01:26:52.542 ...but to entertain, amuse and insulate... 01:26:53.292 --> 01:26:55.125 ...then the tube is flickering now... 01:26:55.250 --> 01:26:58.292 ...and we will soon see that the whole struggle is lost. 01:26:59.292 --> 01:27:00.792 This instrument can teach. 01:27:01.208 --> 01:27:03.708 It can illuminate and it can even inspire. 01:27:04.375 --> 01:27:08.458 But it can do so only to the extent that humans are determined to use it... 01:27:08.542 --> 01:27:09.958 ...towards those ends. 01:27:11.417 --> 01:27:13.958 Otherwise, it is merely wiresand lights... 01:27:14.708 --> 01:27:15.833 ...in a box. 01:27:18.917 --> 01:27:21.375 Good night, and good luck.