0:02:34.623,0:02:38.464 In 1935, Ed Murrow[br]began his career with CBS. 0:02:39.257,0:02:40.927 When World War Two broke out... 0:02:41.052,0:02:43.849 ...his voice brought[br]the battle of Britain home to us... 0:02:43.932,0:02:46.312 ...through his "This Is London"[br]radio series. 0:02:47.230,0:02:48.733 He started with us all... 0:02:48.900,0:02:52.281 ...many of us here tonight,[br]when television was in its infancy... 0:02:52.407,0:02:54.870 ...with the news documentary show,[br]"See It Now'. 0:02:55.120,0:02:56.748 He threw stones at giants. 0:02:57.917,0:03:01.131 Segregation, exploitation[br]of migrant workers... 0:03:01.424,0:03:03.427 ...apartheid, J. Edgar Hoover... 0:03:04.346,0:03:08.478 ...not the least of which, his historical[br]fight with Senator McCarthy. 0:03:09.564,0:03:13.237 He is the host of our enormously[br]popular show "Person to Person"... 0:03:13.905,0:03:16.744 ...and tonight he is here[br]with his son, Casey... 0:03:17.203,0:03:20.501 ...wife, Janet, and all of you[br]who he's worked with... 0:03:20.877,0:03:23.966 ...inspired, lectured, and taught. 0:03:25.051,0:03:26.429 Ladies and gentlemen... 0:03:26.554,0:03:30.561 ...the Radio-Television News Directors'[br]Association and Foundation welcomes... 0:03:30.728,0:03:32.899 ...Mr. Edward R. Murrow. 0:03:53.688,0:03:55.734 This might just do nobody any good. 0:03:56.652,0:04:00.409 At the end of this discourse[br]a few people may accuse this reporter... 0:04:00.534,0:04:02.705 ...of fouling[br]his own comfortable nest... 0:04:03.206,0:04:06.671 ...and your organization may be[br]accused of having given hospitality... 0:04:06.754,0:04:09.176 ...to heretical[br]and even dangerous ideas. 0:04:10.219,0:04:12.432 But the elaborate structure[br]of networks... 0:04:12.557,0:04:16.356 ...advertising agencies, and sponsors[br]will not be shaken or altered. 0:04:17.274,0:04:20.655 It is my desire, if not my duty,[br]to try to talk to you journeymen... 0:04:20.781,0:04:24.287 ...with some candor about what[br]is happening to radio andtelevision. 0:04:24.371,0:04:26.333 And if what I say is responsible... 0:04:26.792,0:04:29.338 ...I alone am responsible[br]for the saying ofit. 0:04:30.632,0:04:32.720 Our history will be[br]what we make of it. 0:04:33.680,0:04:37.186 And if there are any historians[br]about 50 or 100 years from now... 0:04:37.312,0:04:38.898 ...and there should be preserved... 0:04:39.023,0:04:41.778 ...the kinescopes of one week[br]of all three networks... 0:04:42.279,0:04:45.911 ...they will there find recorded[br]in black and white, and in color... 0:04:46.537,0:04:48.541 ...evidence of decadence,[br]escapism... 0:04:48.708,0:04:52.215 ...and insulation from the realities[br]of the world in which we live. 0:04:52.799,0:04:56.556 We are currently wealthy, fat,[br]comfortable, and complacent. 0:04:57.433,0:05:01.106 We have a built-in allergy to[br]unpleasant or disturbing information. 0:05:01.357,0:05:03.527 Our mass media reflect this. 0:05:04.613,0:05:06.909 But unless we get up off[br]our fat surpluses... 0:05:07.076,0:05:09.497 ...and recognize[br]that television in the main... 0:05:09.580,0:05:13.713 ...is being used to distract, delude,[br]amuse, and insulate us... 0:05:14.256,0:05:16.594 ...then television[br]and those who finance it... 0:05:16.719,0:05:19.516 ...those who look at it[br]and those who work at it... 0:05:19.933,0:05:22.521 ...may see atotally[br]different picture too late. 0:06:09.484,0:06:12.657 Millie! Just the person[br]I wanted to see! Come here! 0:06:22.467,0:06:24.596 This goes at the top[br]of the Roy Campanella piece. 0:06:24.763,0:06:25.807 Yes! Give me a half an hour. 0:06:25.974,0:06:27.769 I may need it[br]a little quicker than that! 0:06:27.852,0:06:30.900 - Can I get some coffee first?[br]- Come on! Get me some coffee! 0:06:33.029,0:06:34.197 Morning, Johnny! 0:06:34.281,0:06:37.412 I have some new notes that go[br]with the Tito footage for Fred. 0:06:37.579,0:06:38.789 Fred's gonna be in[br]in an hour. 0:06:38.873,0:06:42.046 I already put them on his desk.[br]Can you just make sure that... 0:06:42.171,0:06:44.926 ...he doesn't look at the film[br]until he reads the notes? 0:06:45.009,0:06:46.345 - Yes.[br]- Thank you. 0:06:46.763,0:06:47.723 Hey, Joe! Shirley! 0:06:49.309,0:06:51.689 - What's going on in here?[br]- What do you mean? 0:06:51.814,0:06:53.692 Two attractive people[br]alone in the copy room! 0:06:53.818,0:06:55.070 Don't tell Paley, he'll fire me. 0:06:55.195,0:06:56.614 He'll fire both of us, Shirley. 0:06:56.740,0:06:59.411 - Rules are made to be broken![br]- You can afford to say that. 0:07:04.129,0:07:05.339 Let me see this. 0:07:09.013,0:07:12.561 - It's simply a loyalty oath.[br]- To CBS? - And to America. 0:07:12.853,0:07:14.356 You promise to be a loyal American? 0:07:14.523,0:07:16.652 I know. All of the reporters[br]have signed this. 0:07:16.736,0:07:18.405 Who are you promising this to?[br]CBS? 0:07:18.531,0:07:20.493 Fred signed it.[br]Murrow signed it. 0:07:20.618,0:07:21.995 - Murrow signed it?[br]- Yeah. 0:07:23.456,0:07:25.210 Are you now[br]or have you ever been... 0:07:25.293,0:07:27.547 I thought it was a joke,[br]but there's a lot of pressure. 0:07:27.673,0:07:30.136 ...on the Attorney General's list[br]of subversive groups? 0:07:30.219,0:07:32.432 - I don't know.[br]- Let's think about it. 0:07:32.599,0:07:36.105 What is it really saying? Is it a civil[br]liberties issue or censorship? 0:07:36.189,0:07:38.568 Am I simply stating to CBS[br]that I'm not a Communist? 0:07:38.693,0:07:40.906 - Murrow signed this?[br]- And Fred and Stanton. 0:07:41.031,0:07:44.120 - Maybe you should talk toMurrow.[br]- Maybe I should sign it. 0:07:45.331,0:07:48.128 If you don't sign this,[br]are you and I a target? 0:07:50.507,0:07:52.386 If I don'tsign it,[br]they'll fire me. 0:07:58.940,0:07:59.900 Sign it. 0:08:00.317,0:08:02.488 Finally we can tell everyone[br]the truth. 0:08:03.824,0:08:07.205 If I could express it[br]in what's in my heart now... 0:08:07.581,0:08:11.964 ...I'd do it in the terms[br]of the poet who once said... 0:08:12.507,0:08:15.930 ..."Ah, 'tis but a dainty flower[br]I bring to you." 0:08:16.932,0:08:18.894 'Yes, 'tis but a violet..." 0:08:19.937,0:08:21.357 "...glistening with dew." 0:08:22.400,0:08:25.949 "But still in its heart[br]there lie beauties concealed." 0:08:27.034,0:08:28.704 "So in our heart..." 0:08:30.123,0:08:31.626 "...our love for you..." 0:08:32.711,0:08:35.258 "...lies unrevealed." 0:08:37.762,0:08:38.848 I used to... 0:08:45.068,0:08:50.119 ...pride myself on the idea[br]that I was a bit... tough... 0:08:51.872,0:08:58.092 ...especially over the past[br]19-19 months, when we've been... 0:08:58.718,0:09:01.766 ...kicked around,[br]and bullwhipped, and damned. 0:09:03.018,0:09:04.396 I didnt think that... 0:09:06.692,0:09:09.697 ...I could be... touched very deeply. 0:09:09.906,0:09:12.160 Okay, that's enough.[br]That's enough, Leo. 0:09:12.244,0:09:14.248 - It's short.[br]- Howlong is the piece? 0:09:14.331,0:09:16.043 It's 4 minutes,[br]but we can cut it down. 0:09:16.168,0:09:18.923 It cant stand alone, but it might be[br]a nice companion piece. 0:09:19.090,0:09:21.386 Let's go through this one more time.[br]Palmer! 0:09:21.553,0:09:24.767 Yep, got a call from the office[br]of Senator Morse this morning... 0:09:24.934,0:09:28.023 ...interested in setting up[br]a debate possibly with Senator Kerr... 0:09:28.149,0:09:30.570 ...over the comments[br]Bentsen made on last night's show. 0:09:30.737,0:09:33.909 Secretary of Agriculture? Good idea![br]Can they do it by this week? 0:09:33.993,0:09:36.581 No, it would have to be 2 weeks[br]at the earliest... 0:09:36.706,0:09:39.962 ...depending on Morse's schedule.[br]But still it's a great idea. 0:09:40.088,0:09:43.427 Let's follow up on that.[br]"Hoover speaks on Benjamin Franklin." 0:09:43.552,0:09:46.642 We're having better luck[br]with Mr. Benjamin Frankin... 0:09:46.725,0:09:47.894 ...than with Mr. Hoover. 0:09:48.061,0:09:50.482 It may progress better[br]as a "Person to Person". 0:09:50.607,0:09:53.070 "At home with Ben Frankin.[br]His electricity awards." 0:09:53.154,0:09:55.074 We've got the footage,[br]we need to contact him. 0:09:55.116,0:09:58.873 See if you can contact him and get the[br]shot. He wants to do the story. Joe! 0:09:58.915,0:10:00.626 Member Delbert Clark?[br]No longer with us. 0:10:00.751,0:10:03.340 - New York Times? - Yeah.[br]- Our friend at the Times. 0:10:03.381,0:10:06.095 This was yesterday morning,[br]they're saying it's... 0:10:06.387,0:10:09.852 - How old was he?[br]- 53. Sudden illness. 0:10:09.977,0:10:12.732 - Home of a friend.[br]- No, it's not a nobit piece. 0:10:12.857,0:10:15.320 Natalie send some flowers[br]over there from us. 0:10:15.821,0:10:18.201 Couple things.[br]Case before the Supreme Court... 0:10:18.284,0:10:22.167 ...involving the constitutionality of a[br]section of the Internal Security Act... 0:10:22.208,0:10:24.212 ...provides for the deportation[br]of any alien... 0:10:24.337,0:10:26.967 ...if he becomes a Communist[br]after entering this country. 0:10:27.593,0:10:28.637 Can you take this? 0:10:28.804,0:10:31.309 All right. McCarthy interrupting[br]his wedding trip... 0:10:31.434,0:10:34.899 ...to take charge of the investigation[br]of Communist infiltration... 0:10:34.982,0:10:37.403 - Natalie, send some flowers.[br]- Poor Mrs. McCarthy! 0:10:37.487,0:10:39.658 May I finish?[br]It's national security! 0:10:39.699,0:10:42.455 - A real ladies' man![br]- Well, they're in love. 0:10:43.039,0:10:47.339 We have no show for Tuesday, fellows.[br]So get out there and make some news. 0:10:48.257,0:10:51.597 Rob a bank. Mug an old lady.[br]Do something. 0:10:52.390,0:10:55.020 - You look at the Secretary Stevens[br]footage? - We will. 0:10:55.145,0:10:57.608 Watch it all the way to the end,[br]it's worth it. 0:10:59.236,0:11:00.405 Thank you, John. 0:11:01.407,0:11:02.701 There's notmuch there. 0:11:02.826,0:11:06.333 I can't tie it to the Eisenhower[br]in the back of the train piece. 0:11:06.667,0:11:09.965 - You ever spend any time in Detroit,[br]Fred? - Not recently. 0:11:11.384,0:11:14.598 There's a story here[br]in the Detroit News, Dexter, Michigan. 0:11:15.391,0:11:17.395 A kid named Milo Radulovich. 0:11:19.065,0:11:22.780 - Italian? - Irish. Air Force[br]kicked him out because his dad... 0:11:22.905,0:11:27.497 ...reads ome Serbian newspaper.[br]- Was he a Communist? - I don't know. 0:11:27.623,0:11:29.418 - Who brought the charges?[br]- Air Force. 0:11:30.253,0:11:32.841 Charges were in a sealed envelope,[br]nobody saw them. 0:11:33.008,0:11:36.222 - Not even at the hearing? - He was[br]declared guilty without a trial... 0:11:36.347,0:11:38.059 ...and told if he wanted[br]to keep his job... 0:11:38.184,0:11:41.440 ...he had to denounce his father[br]and his sister. Thank you, Natalie. 0:11:41.565,0:11:44.028 - His sister?[br]- He told them to take a hike. 0:11:45.740,0:11:49.288 Let's send Joe and Charlie down there,[br]see if he's any good on camera. 0:11:49.497,0:11:51.709 Is he being brought[br]before the Committee? 0:11:52.461,0:11:53.379 No. 0:11:54.590,0:11:55.967 Then it's not McCarthy. 0:11:57.637,0:11:58.597 Isn't it? 0:12:04.692,0:12:06.195 Milo Radulovich. 0:12:10.536,0:12:11.914 What happens to your children... 0:12:12.039,0:12:14.836 ...your 5-year-old and your 5-month-old[br]in terms of you? 0:12:14.961,0:12:17.925 If I am being judged[br]on my relatives... 0:12:18.969,0:12:24.020 ...are my children going[br]to be asked to denounce me? 0:12:24.145,0:12:28.153 Are they going to be judged[br]on what their father was labeled? 0:12:28.904,0:12:33.830 Are they going to have to explain[br]to their friends, etc... 0:12:33.955,0:12:36.251 ...why their father[br]is a security risk? 0:12:37.295,0:12:41.929 If the thing is let stand[br]as it, the first recommendation... 0:12:42.221,0:12:46.395 ...was sent out by the board,[br]I see a chain reaction that... 0:12:47.188,0:12:49.484 ...has no end to anybody,[br]for anybody. 0:12:56.164,0:12:57.541 Well, that's new. 0:12:58.752,0:13:00.338 You can't call this[br]a neutral piece. 0:13:00.463,0:13:03.719 The other side's been represented[br]rather well for the last 2 years. 0:13:03.845,0:13:05.389 The Air Force[br]hasn't gone on the record. 0:13:05.515,0:13:08.562 So you want to forego the standards[br]you've stuck to for 15 years... 0:13:08.645,0:13:09.856 ...both sides, no commentary. 0:13:09.981,0:13:12.903 - We all editorialize. - I'm just[br]making sure we identify what... 0:13:13.029,0:13:14.615 We're giving them[br]the information up front... 0:13:14.740,0:13:16.285 ...and we're asking them[br]to comment on it. 0:13:16.410,0:13:17.495 Frank, hold on. 0:13:18.247,0:13:19.917 I've searched my conscience. 0:13:20.083,0:13:23.256 I can't for the life of me[br]find any justification for this. 0:13:23.340,0:13:26.220 I simply cannot accept[br]that there are, on every story... 0:13:26.345,0:13:28.349 ...two equal and logical sides[br]to an argument. 0:13:28.516,0:13:31.396 - Call it editorializing, if you'd like.[br]- It is editorializing. 0:13:31.522,0:13:33.233 They'll have equal time[br]to defend themselves. 0:13:33.275,0:13:35.404 Do you understand the position[br]you're putting us in? 0:13:35.446,0:13:38.451 We are all in this together,[br]if the Senate wants to investigate... 0:13:38.576,0:13:39.537 Do me a favor... 0:13:39.662,0:13:42.918 ...avoid any big speeches about how[br]we're all in a big boat together! 0:13:43.043,0:13:44.296 Please, don't insult me. 0:13:44.796,0:13:48.887 I have to go back to Mr. Paley[br]and Alcoa, who sponsors your show... 0:13:49.472,0:13:51.768 ...and also have[br]some military contracts... 0:13:51.851,0:13:55.024 ...and I have to tell them that[br]they're going to be in a tough bind... 0:13:55.149,0:13:57.153 ...because of a beef you had[br]with Joe McCarthy. 0:13:57.320,0:14:00.367 - We're not going at McCarthy.[br]- You're starting the goddamn fire. 0:14:00.493,0:14:03.790 Excuse me. Mr. Friendly,[br]there's a Colonel Anderson to see you? 0:14:03.999,0:14:07.422 - Colonel? - He's in your office.[br]There are two of them. 0:14:09.259,0:14:12.473 Maybe they liked the transcript,[br]and want to compliment us on it. 0:14:13.100,0:14:14.143 Excuse me. 0:14:22.283,0:14:25.039 Go after Joe Kennedy.[br]We'll pay for it. 0:14:25.540,0:14:27.627 I've got a great story about Hoover. 0:14:31.634,0:14:34.097 You know how many shows[br]you're going to have to do... 0:14:34.181,0:14:37.186 ...to make up for this? - And Judy[br]and her daughter Liza next week. 0:14:37.312,0:14:39.399 No, no.[br]You're interviewing Rin Tin Tin! 0:14:44.492,0:14:45.995 I'll talk to Mr. Paley. 0:14:48.625,0:14:50.461 Alcoa wont pay for the ads. 0:14:51.505,0:14:55.053 And we probably wont either.[br]But nobody'll stop you. 0:14:55.220,0:14:56.347 How much are the ads? 0:14:58.643,0:15:01.816 - 3,000.[br]- I'll split it with Fred. 0:15:03.444,0:15:06.700 He just won't have Christmas presents[br]for his kids this year. 0:15:07.118,0:15:10.248 - He's a Jew. - Don't tell him that,[br]he loves Christmas. 0:15:19.432,0:15:22.354 - To be clear, you did speak[br]with the lawyers? - Yes, we did. 0:15:22.480,0:15:25.736 And we read the transcript. We've not[br]been allowed to see the footage. 0:15:25.861,0:15:28.908 Mack is on a plane from Dexter[br]right now with the last interviews. 0:15:29.034,0:15:30.745 We'll be going[br]right down to the wire. 0:15:30.912,0:15:35.504 Your show airs tomorrow. How can we[br]possibly approve and check... 0:15:35.671,0:15:39.345 ...your story in the limited amount[br]of time you have given us? 0:15:39.470,0:15:43.143 With all due respect, you have been[br]invited to participate in this piece... 0:15:43.227,0:15:44.563 ...not to approve it. 0:15:45.189,0:15:48.236 We are going with the story[br]that says that the U.S. Air Force... 0:15:48.362,0:15:50.866 ...tried Milo Radulovich[br]without any evidence... 0:15:50.991,0:15:53.580 ...and found him guilty[br]of being a security risk... 0:15:53.705,0:15:57.253 ...without his Constitutional rights...[br]- You have not seen the evidence... 0:15:57.420,0:15:59.716 ...and are claiming[br]he's not a security risk. 0:15:59.841,0:16:03.891 Wouldn't you guess that those who have[br]seen the contents of that envelope... 0:16:04.016,0:16:07.982 ...might have a better idea of what[br]makes someone a danger to his country? 0:16:08.149,0:16:11.405 - Who? Who? - Or do you think[br]it should just be you that decides? 0:16:11.530,0:16:14.118 Who are the people?[br]Are they elected? Are they appointed? 0:16:14.243,0:16:16.915 Do they have an axe to grind?[br]Is it you, sir? 0:16:17.166,0:16:21.424 Or you, Colonel Jenkns? Do you know[br]the contents of that sealed envelope? 0:16:22.384,0:16:27.936 We have been a friend and ally of both[br]Mr. Murrow and CBS News for many years. 0:16:28.520,0:16:31.776 The story you are going[br]to run tomorrow is without merit. 0:16:32.361,0:16:35.408 So before you take any steps[br]that cannot be undone... 0:16:35.867,0:16:38.581 ...I strongly urge you[br]to reconsider your stand. 0:16:39.249,0:16:42.630 These are very dangerous waters[br]you are attempting to navigate. 0:16:48.766,0:16:54.569 We have had no hearing at all.[br]We have had noday in court. 0:16:55.028,0:16:59.119 In all the 32 years that I have been[br]a practicing attorney in Detroit... 0:16:59.328,0:17:03.878 ...I have never witnessed such a farce[br]and travesty upon justice... 0:17:03.962,0:17:06.007 ...as this thing has developed. 0:17:06.258,0:17:09.013 - Now this whole theory...[br]- Eddie, just take the first reel. 0:17:09.138,0:17:11.100 Tell John I left[br]5 seconds extra leader. 0:17:11.225,0:17:14.523 5 seconds! I got it! Palmer,[br]where's Joe? Have you seen Joe? 0:17:14.690,0:17:15.901 He's on his way[br]to the control room. 0:17:16.026,0:17:17.696 We're gonna have to do[br]the voice-over live. 0:17:17.863,0:17:19.574 Natalie, I need a booth[br]with a live mic. 0:17:19.699,0:17:20.910 Booth is there, it's already set. 0:17:21.077,0:17:23.164 We didn't have time[br]to sync the voice-over out. 0:17:23.415,0:17:25.043 That's not what I asked for. 0:17:26.754,0:17:28.716 It's missing the voice-over[br]on the last piece. 0:17:28.842,0:17:30.887 There's a commercial in the booth.[br]What shall I do? 0:17:31.012,0:17:33.767 - 2 minutes to air! - There's not[br]supposed to be a commercial! 0:17:33.893,0:17:35.145 Get himout of the booth! 0:17:38.735,0:17:40.948 2-and-a-half minutes[br]on the end piece. 0:17:42.116,0:17:44.788 Keep it down, please.[br]It's a little loud. 0:17:44.955,0:17:46.207 2 minutes to air, fellas. 0:17:47.585,0:17:50.966 - He's gonna add a joke.[br]- Charlie, loan me your lighter. 0:17:52.887,0:17:56.143 Make sure you know that I swap[br]with those two pieces of parents. 0:17:56.310,0:17:59.232 - As long as he talks fast because...[br]- He will talk fast. 0:18:04.408,0:18:05.494 We got the film. 0:18:06.746,0:18:07.957 Will it be ready? 0:18:08.541,0:18:09.585 You bet. 0:18:15.596,0:18:16.807 Funny thing, Freddy! 0:18:17.307,0:18:20.522 Every time you light a cigarette[br]for me, I know you're lying. 0:18:35.174,0:18:38.096 It occurs t ome[br]we might not get away with this one. 0:18:44.442,0:18:47.489 Alcoa, the aluminum company[br]of America... 0:18:47.489,0:18:49.660 - 10 seconds.[br]- You fellas, ready? Okay. 0:18:49.952,0:18:51.288 Ready on camera 1. 0:18:58.217,0:19:02.517 5, 4,3, 2. 0:19:05.398,0:19:06.650 Pan, camera 1. 0:19:08.278,0:19:09.238 Good evening. 0:19:09.697,0:19:13.329 A few weeks ago there occurred a few[br]obscure notices in the newspapers... 0:19:13.413,0:19:15.208 ...about Milo Radulovich... 0:19:15.625,0:19:17.796 ...a lieutenant[br]in the Air Force Reserves. 0:19:18.172,0:19:21.803 And, also, something about Air Force[br]regulation 35-62... 0:19:22.722,0:19:26.228 ...which states that a man[br]may be regarded as a security risk... 0:19:26.395,0:19:29.610 ...if he has close and continuing[br]association with Communists... 0:19:29.735,0:19:32.365 ...or people believed[br]to have Communist sympathies. 0:19:33.283,0:19:36.790 Lieutenant Radulovich was asked[br]to resign in August. He declined. 0:19:37.082,0:19:39.253 A board was called[br]and heard his case. 0:19:39.420,0:19:43.052 At the end it was recommended that[br]he be severed from the Air Force... 0:19:43.135,0:19:46.475 ...although it was also stated[br]that there was no question whatever... 0:19:46.600,0:19:48.437 ...as to the Lieutenant's loyalty. 0:19:48.604,0:19:50.941 We propose to examine,[br]in so far as we can... 0:19:51.067,0:19:53.196 ...the case of Lieutenant Radulovich. 0:19:53.488,0:19:56.243 Our reporter, Joe Wershba,[br]cameraman, Charlie Mack. 0:19:57.203,0:20:00.125 This is the town of Dexter, Michigan.[br]Population 1500. 0:20:00.543,0:20:03.799 This statue is at the end[br]of Ann Arbor Street erected by... 0:20:03.924,0:20:05.886 What did the General[br]tell you yesterday? 0:20:06.095,0:20:09.309 - A Colonel. There were two of them.[br]- That makes a General. 0:20:09.434,0:20:10.770 They weren't too pleased. 0:20:11.730,0:20:13.609 You're gonna get audited this year. 0:20:14.026,0:20:17.115 Not me, you. I told them[br]I didn't want to do the story. 0:20:18.493,0:20:21.081 - You always were yellow.[br]- Better than red. 0:20:28.303,0:20:29.347 In 10 seconds. 0:20:33.855,0:20:36.443 This is the sister,[br]Margaret Radulovich Fishman. 0:20:36.861,0:20:39.950 She neither defends nor explains[br]her political activities. 0:20:40.242,0:20:45.001 I feel that my activities,[br]be what they may... 0:20:45.126,0:20:48.048 ...or my political beliefs[br]are my own private affair. 0:20:48.549,0:20:53.726 Are my children going to be asked[br]to denounce me? 0:20:53.851,0:20:57.900 Are they going to be judged[br]on what their father was labeled? 0:20:58.443,0:21:03.327 Are they going to have to explain[br]to their friends, etc... 0:21:03.494,0:21:05.498 ...why their father[br]is a security risk? 0:21:06.416,0:21:11.342 I see, absolutely,[br]that this is a chain reaction. 0:21:11.634,0:21:15.976 If the thing is let stand as it,[br]the first recommendation... 0:21:16.101,0:21:20.359 ...was sent out by the board[br]I see a chain reaction... 0:21:20.484,0:21:23.907 ...that has no end to anybody,[br]for anybody. 0:21:24.826,0:21:27.873 Perhaps you will permit me[br]to read a few sentences... 0:21:27.998,0:21:31.087 ...because I would like to say[br]rather precisely what I mean. 0:21:31.505,0:21:34.177 We have told the Air Force[br]that we will provide facilities... 0:21:34.302,0:21:37.391 ...for any comments, criticisms,[br]or corrections it may wish to make... 0:21:37.433,0:21:39.520 ...as to the case of Milo Radulovich. 0:21:40.856,0:21:44.279 We are unable to judge the charges[br]against his father or sister... 0:21:44.404,0:21:47.744 ...because neither we, nor you,[br]nor they, nor the lawyers... 0:21:47.785,0:21:51.835 ...nor the Lieutenant, know what was[br]contained in that manila envelope. 0:21:52.544,0:21:55.759 Was it hearsay,[br]rumor, gossip, slander... 0:21:56.051,0:22:00.017 ...or hard ascertainable facts that[br]could be backed by credible witnesses? 0:22:00.392,0:22:01.603 We do not know. 0:22:02.480,0:22:05.736 We believe the son shall not bear[br]the iniquity of the father. 0:22:05.861,0:22:09.368 Even though that iniquity be proved[br]and in this case it was not. 0:22:10.328,0:22:13.709 But we believe too that this case[br]illustrates the urgent need... 0:22:13.709,0:22:17.675 ...for the Armed Forces to communicate[br]more fully than they have so far done... 0:22:17.800,0:22:20.180 ...the procedures and regulations[br]to be followed... 0:22:20.263,0:22:22.684 ...in attempting to protect[br]the national security... 0:22:22.851,0:22:25.523 ...and the rights of the individual[br]at the same time. 0:22:26.608,0:22:29.322 Whatever happens in this area[br]of the relationship... 0:22:29.489,0:22:31.492 ...between the individual[br]and the state... 0:22:31.618,0:22:33.162 ...we will do it ourselves... 0:22:33.788,0:22:38.213 ...it cannot be blamed on Malenkov[br]or Mao Tse-Tung or even our allies. 0:22:38.965,0:22:42.304 And, it seems to us,[br]Fred Friendly and myself... 0:22:42.805,0:22:46.312 ...that this is a subject[br]that should be argued about endlessly. 0:22:47.982,0:22:49.735 Good night, and good luck. 0:22:56.623,0:22:57.792 And we'reout. 0:24:33.722,0:24:34.181 May I tell you something[br]about yourself... 0:24:34.181,0:24:35.851 May I tellyou something[br]about yourself... 0:24:35.976,0:24:38.314 ...as a member[br]of the "Person to Person" audience? 0:24:38.439,0:24:40.442 Based on audience[br]research studies... 0:24:41.069,0:24:44.617 ...you are well above average[br]in education and intelligence. 0:24:45.201,0:24:48.374 Your interests are wide,[br]from world affairs and science... 0:24:48.583,0:24:50.378 ...to sports and show business. 0:24:50.712,0:24:53.926 And you have one characteristic[br]that's rather encouraging to me... 0:24:54.051,0:24:57.934 ...and that's the fact that you are[br]not easily persuaded by advertising. 0:24:58.727,0:25:01.482 The makers of Kent considered[br]all these characteristics... 0:25:01.607,0:25:03.736 ...when they chose[br]Mr. Murrow'sprogram... 0:25:03.861,0:25:05.322 ...to tell you about Kent. 0:25:05.698,0:25:10.749 Of all leading filter cigarettes,[br]Kent filter's best. 0:25:11.000,0:25:14.131 If you try Kent with that in mind,[br]I think you'll agree... 0:25:14.214,0:25:17.387 ...with many other thinking people[br]who havec hanged to Kent. 0:25:17.804,0:25:22.688 They find that it makes good sense[br]to smoke Kent and good smoking, too. 0:25:23.649,0:25:26.863 - Did you get the changes?[br]- Edward Murrow, "Person to Person"... 0:25:27.030,0:25:30.870 ...on the CBS Television Network.[br]- No, no. You there? Okay. We got it. 0:25:30.996,0:25:32.498 Now back to Ed Murrow. 0:25:33.793,0:25:36.673 Not since the silent movies[br]and the idols they produced... 0:25:36.840,0:25:40.513 ...has Hollywood witnessed the sort[br]of pilgrimage that is now going on. 0:25:41.014,0:25:44.646 Each day, oblivious to time,[br]weather, and the state of the world... 0:25:44.813,0:25:48.654 ...sightseers head in the direction[br]of California's San Fernando Valley. 0:25:49.196,0:25:52.327 For there, at the end[br]of the tourist line, is Sherman Oaks... 0:25:52.453,0:25:55.834 ...and the home Liberace[br]has built for himself and his mother. 0:25:56.001,0:25:59.800 This is the front and nobody knows[br]how many people have seen that view. 0:26:00.468,0:26:03.682 This is the back of the house[br]and that's Liberace's bedroom. 0:26:04.767,0:26:06.855 - Good evening, Lee.[br]- Good evening, Ed. 0:26:07.021,0:26:11.739 - What are you doing? - I'm dictating[br]my weekly syndicated newspaper column... 0:26:12.240,0:26:18.794 ...and on my trusty tape recorder here,[br]I'm also dictating a book. 0:26:18.919,0:26:21.257 - It's an inspirational book.[br]- Lee, what about you? 0:26:21.382,0:26:24.346 Have you given much thought[br]to getting married and settling down? 0:26:24.346,0:26:26.934 Actually, I've given[br]a lot of thought to it... 0:26:27.101,0:26:31.025 ...but I don't believe in getting married[br]just for the sake of getting married. 0:26:31.108,0:26:33.780 I want to someday[br]find the perfect mate... 0:26:34.156,0:26:38.247 ...and settle down to what I hope will[br]be a marriage that will be blessed... 0:26:38.414,0:26:41.002 ...by faith[br]and will be a lasting union. 0:26:41.503,0:26:46.220 I was reading[br]about lovely young Princess Margaret... 0:26:46.846,0:26:49.476 ...and she's lookng[br]for her dream man, too... 0:26:50.061,0:26:52.064 ...and I hope she finds him someday. 0:26:53.442,0:26:57.241 Uh-huh. Lee, thanks very much[br]for letting us come and visit you. 0:26:57.324,0:26:58.493 It's been very pleasant. 0:26:58.618,0:27:00.664 And will you say goodnight[br]to your family for us? 0:27:00.789,0:27:02.501 - I certainly will.[br]- Thanks a lot. 0:27:02.626,0:27:04.463 - Good night, Ed.[br]- Good night, Lee. 0:27:05.965,0:27:08.595 Next week, we'll take you[br]to Beverly Hills, California... 0:27:08.721,0:27:11.350 ...to the house of Mickey Rooney[br]and his newbride. 0:27:11.517,0:27:14.106 Until then,[br]good night, and good luck. 0:27:20.367,0:27:21.954 Good show, Mr. Murrow! 0:27:45.206,0:27:46.458 Excuse me, Mr. Murrow. 0:27:46.583,0:27:49.171 Could you take a look at this[br]and sign it for me, please? 0:27:49.255,0:27:52.427 Thank you. Dr. Stanton[br]would like to have a drink with you. 0:27:52.553,0:27:54.556 - When?[br]- Now. He's at the Pentagon Bar. 0:27:54.598,0:27:56.811 I can't. What the hell[br]is he doing there? 0:27:56.894,0:27:59.775 - I believe he's waiting for you.[br]- Just call him! - Fine. 0:27:59.900,0:28:02.571 - Oppenheimer next week.[br]- It's a good show, Ed. 0:28:04.367,0:28:05.744 - Hey, Don![br]- Ed! 0:28:06.829,0:28:08.165 You're getting good at this! 0:28:08.708,0:28:10.503 They're gonna think you like it! 0:28:10.753,0:28:12.966 Pays the bills. How are you, Don? 0:28:14.302,0:28:15.304 Ah, it's... 0:28:16.807,0:28:17.975 ...day today. 0:28:18.769,0:28:21.649 If she saw how good you look[br]right now, she'd be back. 0:28:23.235,0:28:25.615 You tell her that[br]if you see her, will you? 0:28:27.201,0:28:30.290 - I read the O'Brian piece.[br]- Yeah, it's tough. 0:28:31.167,0:28:33.671 I'm a pinko.[br]I slant the news. 0:28:34.840,0:28:37.637 I'm just waiting for him[br]to say my wife left me too. 0:28:37.929,0:28:40.852 - Nobody worth their salt reads him.[br]- You read him. 0:28:41.436,0:28:43.106 Well, see, I rest my case. 0:28:44.817,0:28:49.075 - Does Paley read him?[br]- Bill Paley's not gonna do anything. 0:28:52.290,0:28:53.292 Thanks, Ed. 0:28:54.753,0:28:58.009 I just came by to tell you[br]how great the Lieutenant piece was. 0:28:58.134,0:29:01.265 - Thanks. - How's the fallout?[br]- Mostly good, surprisingly. 0:29:01.515,0:29:04.271 Is this the start?[br]Are you taking sides? 0:29:06.900,0:29:09.906 It's just a little poke[br]with a stick, see what happens. 0:29:10.240,0:29:11.826 You let me know if I can help. 0:29:12.077,0:29:13.496 But you're a pinko. 0:29:16.251,0:29:17.462 I'll see you. 0:29:33.534,0:29:36.164 Hey, Joe! What's all this[br]Radulovich junk you're putting out? 0:29:36.289,0:29:39.211 I can't talk to you now. I have[br]to get this film back to New York. 0:29:39.336,0:29:40.589 What would you say if I told you... 0:29:40.714,0:29:43.302 ...that Murrow was[br]on the Soviet payroll in 1935? 0:29:45.473,0:29:48.562 - Uh! Charlie, you wanna...[br]- Sure. I'll set up outside. 0:29:50.691,0:29:52.235 McCarthy going[br]tot he Eisenhower dinner? 0:29:52.361,0:29:55.909 - I have no idea. Id on't keep the[br]Senator's calendar for him! - Really? 0:30:00.083,0:30:03.757 Have you ever seen any spy films?[br]You don't hand me a classified folder! 0:30:03.882,0:30:05.970 You're supposed to slip it[br]into my briefcase! 0:30:06.053,0:30:09.226 I didnt know who to give[br]this information to, Paley or Murrow. 0:30:09.351,0:30:12.899 As you can imagine, Fred and I[br]aren't very friendly. No pun intended. 0:30:13.317,0:30:14.778 No pun elocuted. 0:30:18.284,0:30:20.246 - What do you got, Donald?[br]- In short? 0:30:20.539,0:30:23.210 Murrows been a Communist[br]sympathizer since the 1930's. 0:30:23.335,0:30:26.842 Member of the International Workers,[br]sponsored educational trips to Moscow... 0:30:27.009,0:30:29.472 ...and on the Sovietpayroll[br]in 1935. It's all there. 0:30:29.597,0:30:31.476 You wanna know[br]why that's not possible? 0:30:31.601,0:30:33.104 Why you'll lose this one? 0:30:33.563,0:30:35.441 Because everyone in this country... 0:30:35.567,0:30:38.656 ...knows that Ed Murrow[br]is a loyal American, he's apatriot. 0:30:40.743,0:30:43.415 Did you know the word "gullible"[br]isn't in the dictionary? 0:30:43.540,0:30:46.504 - Can I give this to him?[br]- I'd love it! I have copies! 0:30:49.676,0:30:51.179 I think you guys go too far. 0:30:51.555,0:30:53.851 Well, if it walks like a duck,[br]talks like a duck. 0:31:00.697,0:31:02.075 Yes, Mr. Paley. 0:31:03.118,0:31:04.663 Right away.[br]Yes, sir. 0:31:06.374,0:31:07.877 No, he hasn't called. 0:31:09.130,0:31:12.970 Yes, sir, the second he calls.[br]If you're in a meeting, shall I? 0:31:14.348,0:31:16.185 Yes, sir.[br]Of course, sir. 0:31:18.940,0:31:20.025 Mr. Murrow! 0:31:20.943,0:31:22.613 Mr. Paley will see you now. 0:31:26.496,0:31:30.169 - Mr. Paley, Mr. Murrow is here.[br]- Thanks, Miss Mary. 0:31:30.879,0:31:33.550 - Hello, Ed. - Bill...[br]- Sit over here, will you? 0:31:34.469,0:31:35.471 How's Janet? 0:31:35.972,0:31:38.351 - Your son?[br]- All well, thanks. How's Babe? 0:31:38.518,0:31:41.607 She's fine. Her fundraiser[br]got rained on, so... 0:31:42.108,0:31:44.989 - Oh! That's why I never plan[br]on anything. - Really? 0:31:46.533,0:31:47.744 You'd never know. 0:31:51.626,0:31:52.920 Reading fiction? 0:31:53.546,0:31:55.425 I hope so. You tell me. 0:31:56.928,0:31:58.639 Now we know[br]how they're gonna come at us. 0:31:58.764,0:32:01.686 That's just the first shot.[br]Somebody's going to go down. 0:32:01.812,0:32:04.400 Have you checked your facts?[br]Are you on safe ground? 0:32:06.738,0:32:09.535 - Bill, it's time. Show our cards.[br]- My cards. 0:32:10.411,0:32:14.293 You lose, what happens?[br]5 guys find themselves out of work. 0:32:14.711,0:32:18.969 I'm responsible for a lot more[br]than 5 goddamn reporters. Let it go. 0:32:20.680,0:32:22.851 McCarthy will self-destruct,[br]Cohn, all of them. 0:32:22.976,0:32:25.398 You said Corporate[br]would not interfere with Editorial... 0:32:25.481,0:32:26.984 ...and that the News[br]was to be left... 0:32:27.109,0:32:28.904 We don't make the news,[br]we report the news. 0:32:28.988,0:32:31.701 He's marked as Communists. 0:32:31.868,0:32:33.872 If he goes too far,[br]the Senate will investigate him... 0:32:33.955,0:32:34.915 ...and we will report on that. 0:32:35.041,0:32:38.297 He oversteps people's civil liberties. 0:32:38.422,0:32:39.507 And you're trying him in the press? 0:32:39.633,0:32:41.511 Does he get the right[br]to face his accuser? 0:32:41.678,0:32:44.141 You've decided on this[br]and you're presenting it as fact. 0:32:44.266,0:32:46.562 - What I am doing...[br]- I write your check. 0:32:46.688,0:32:50.528 I put you in your country house,[br]and I put your son through school! 0:32:50.987,0:32:54.536 You should have told me about this[br]before it went so far down the road! 0:33:06.057,0:33:09.898 Everyone of your boys needs to be[br]clean. Do you understand? No ties. 0:33:10.148,0:33:14.782 If Aaron's mother went to a group[br]fundraiser in 1932, he's out. 0:33:14.907,0:33:18.706 Hewitt, too. Anyone in that room.[br]You make no mistake... 0:33:18.873,0:33:22.421 ...I will cut them loose. Corporate[br]won't interfere with Editorial. 0:33:22.546,0:33:25.928 But Editorial will not jeopardize[br]the hundreds of employees... 0:33:26.053,0:33:29.309 ...of the CBS.[br]Do I make myself clear? 0:33:30.687,0:33:31.939 Yes? 0:33:37.449,0:33:40.705 Fellas, our next show is gonna be[br]about Senator McCarthy. 0:33:41.874,0:33:43.586 And we'regonna go right at him. 0:33:44.296,0:33:47.051 I don't need to tell you[br]how careful we have to be. 0:33:47.134,0:33:50.307 If we are to do this, Ed and I[br]need you to be straight with us. 0:33:50.432,0:33:52.603 We need to know,[br]for the good of the piece... 0:33:52.728,0:33:56.485 ...if any of you have any connection,[br]if you subscribed to a newsletter... 0:33:56.610,0:33:58.531 ...if you attended a party,[br]anything... 0:33:58.614,0:34:01.787 ...anything that could compromise this,[br]anything at all... 0:34:02.246,0:34:04.542 ...because now would be[br]the time to tell us. 0:34:09.969,0:34:12.014 Ed, I think I should excuse myself. 0:34:12.974,0:34:14.394 Palmer, you kidding? 0:34:15.396,0:34:17.900 My ex was a...[br]I wouldn't say she was a Communist... 0:34:18.025,0:34:21.115 ...but she attended meetings.[br]It was before we were married. 0:34:21.240,0:34:24.120 I didn't even really know about it[br]until after the divorce. 0:34:24.746,0:34:27.669 But it was different then.[br]We were all on the same side. 0:34:29.213,0:34:32.135 I'm not telling you anything[br]you don't know. The thing is... 0:34:32.260,0:34:33.680 ...somebody'll find out. 0:34:35.475,0:34:36.894 They'll hurt us with it. 0:34:38.439,0:34:40.902 I should have told you sooner, Ed,[br]I'm sorry. 0:34:42.071,0:34:43.156 Fred. 0:34:46.370,0:34:49.084 If none of us had ever read[br]a "dangerous" book... 0:34:49.251,0:34:51.421 ...or had a friend[br]who was "different"... 0:34:51.547,0:34:54.177 ...or never joined an organization[br]that advocated "change"... 0:34:54.218,0:34:57.099 ...we'd all be the kindof people[br]Joe McCarthy wants. 0:34:59.102,0:35:02.651 We're gonna go with the story,[br]because the terror is in this room. 0:35:06.742,0:35:08.913 John! Jesse![br]Go through the HUAC hearings. 0:35:09.038,0:35:13.004 Eddie! Palmer! Look at who[br]did the interviews and any speeches. 0:35:14.005,0:35:15.592 Okay, fellas, here we go. 0:35:16.260,0:35:18.138 His own words,[br]that's what we need. 0:35:18.263,0:35:20.852 ...said that he wouldn't remove[br]a General from the Army... 0:35:20.977,0:35:23.899 ...who supported a Communist Major.[br]I said, "Then, General..." 0:35:24.024,0:35:26.320 "...you should be removed[br]from any command." 0:35:26.821,0:35:30.620 "Any man who says, "I will protect[br]and honor a General'..." 0:35:30.912,0:35:35.128 "...'who protects Communists', is not[br]fit to wear that uniform, General." 0:35:35.546,0:35:37.090 Ethically, we're fine. 0:35:37.341,0:35:40.973 But legally, if we air this, are we[br]leaking closed hearing testimony? 0:35:41.098,0:35:43.519 - But he chose to read it.[br]- We're not misquoting him. 0:35:43.686,0:35:47.067 - There are other reporters.[br]- If it's a legal issue, it's his. 0:35:47.193,0:35:48.445 I'll check with Campbell in Legal. 0:35:48.570,0:35:50.574 And wait till you hear[br]the bleeding hearts... 0:35:51.158,0:35:53.162 ...scream and cry about our methods... 0:35:54.415,0:35:56.418 ...of trying to drag the truth... 0:35:58.088,0:36:00.217 ...from those who know[br]or should know... 0:36:01.094,0:36:04.058 ...who covered up[br]a Fifth Amendment Communist Major. 0:36:04.934,0:36:06.228 But they say, "Oh..." 0:36:07.314,0:36:11.238 "...it's all right to uncover them,[br]but don't get rough doing it, McCarthy." 0:36:13.283,0:36:17.875 Did a Civil Liberties Union provide[br]you with an attorney at that time? 0:36:18.752,0:36:20.463 I had many offers of attorneys... 0:36:20.630,0:36:24.554 ...and from the American Civil Liberties[br]Union, too. - The question is: 0:36:24.596,0:36:27.602 ...did the Civil Liberties Union[br]supply you with an attorney? 0:36:27.685,0:36:30.232 - They did supply an attorney.[br]- The answer is yes? 0:36:30.399,0:36:31.359 The answer is yes. 0:36:31.484,0:36:33.947 You know the Civil Liberties Union[br]has been listed... 0:36:34.072,0:36:37.245 ...as a front for and doing the work[br]of the Communist Party? 0:36:37.746,0:36:39.708 Mr. Chairman, this was 1932! 0:36:41.127,0:36:42.505 I know this was in 1932. 0:36:42.505,0:36:44.675 Do you know that they since[br]have been listed... 0:36:44.801,0:36:47.389 ...as a front for and doing the work[br]of the Communist Party? 0:36:47.514,0:36:49.727 I do not know[br]that they have been listedso, sir. 0:36:49.852,0:36:52.148 - You don't know?[br]- I have heard that mentioned... 0:36:52.273,0:36:53.400 All right, Leo. Turn it off. 0:36:53.525,0:36:57.324 - I need those three cans of Stevens![br]- Has anybody read this book yet? 0:36:57.491,0:36:59.787 It would be nice[br]if this guy isn't a Commie. 0:36:59.871,0:37:02.250 - Did Millie give it to you?[br]- I wanna read the book. 0:37:02.375,0:37:03.962 - Nobody else, Joe.[br]- I hear you, boss. 0:37:04.087,0:37:06.299 I'll put it on a kinescope,[br]push through the end. 0:37:06.425,0:37:07.635 Palmer, cut it at 2:30. 0:37:07.802,0:37:10.098 I prefer it one on each end,[br]let it run through. 0:37:10.223,0:37:11.977 It'd be more powerful.[br]Cut Kennedy? 0:37:12.102,0:37:14.982 Joe, file it for me.[br]I'll see the Mundt piece later. 0:37:15.274,0:37:16.569 Are we gonna make it, Fred? 0:37:16.944,0:37:19.073 We lost the telecine,[br]but we'll make it. 0:37:22.538,0:37:24.375 Did you finish your closing piece? 0:37:25.210,0:37:26.420 It's Shakespeare. 0:37:28.299,0:37:29.593 Write your closing. 0:37:58.188,0:38:01.403 My argument was if you just show[br]the images of McCarthy... 0:38:01.570,0:38:03.072 ...it doesn't make any difference. 0:38:03.198,0:38:05.368 If you agree with him,[br]you're gonna hate the piece. 0:38:05.535,0:38:06.579 If you don't, you'll love it. 0:38:06.621,0:38:08.625 Maybe they should wait[br]till they get more footage. 0:38:08.750,0:38:10.253 I don't think[br]wec an take that chance. 0:38:10.294,0:38:12.924 We've got to hit McCarthy[br]before he comes after Ed. 0:38:14.636,0:38:17.975 The blue one. They haven't gone[br]after the AIsops or Herb Block. 0:38:18.268,0:38:21.023 Honey, the AIsops and Herb Block... 0:38:21.732,0:38:25.322 ...didn't work for the Institute[br]of International Education in 1934. 0:38:26.199,0:38:27.493 Then I guess it's time. 0:38:34.840,0:38:35.842 You worried? 0:38:38.639,0:38:40.017 I didn't think I was. 0:38:40.726,0:38:43.273 I don't know why.[br]I was in the office on Friday. 0:38:43.690,0:38:46.654 And I answered the phone,[br]it was Howard calling from London. 0:38:46.779,0:38:49.242 And he asked what was going on[br]with McCarthy. 0:38:49.493,0:38:54.711 And before I answered him, I turned[br]and looked over my shoulder... 0:38:55.003,0:38:57.800 ...tosee who was listening.[br]- And who was listening? 0:38:59.679,0:39:00.889 Chairman Mao... 0:39:07.234,0:39:08.654 I'll see you at the office. 0:39:09.614,0:39:11.284 - Hey, your ring![br]- Uh! 0:39:14.582,0:39:16.001 Name me another wife... 0:39:16.502,0:39:19.215 ...who reminds her husband[br]to take off his wedding ring... 0:39:19.340,0:39:22.555 ...before he goes to the office.[br]- Ava Gardner. 0:39:29.902,0:39:33.617 Excuse me, Mr. Friendly. Mr. Murrow,[br]Mr. Paley's on the line for you. 0:39:35.746,0:39:39.295 - Maybe he wants to reimburse us[br]for those ads. - You'd like that! 0:39:39.628,0:39:41.549 - I would like that![br]- This is Ed. 0:39:41.799,0:39:45.264 There's a Knickerbocker game tonight.[br]I've got front row seats. 0:39:45.473,0:39:46.767 Are you interested? 0:39:47.560,0:39:50.524 I'm busy bringing down[br]the network tonight, Bill. 0:39:50.816,0:39:51.818 Is that tonight? 0:39:53.571,0:39:54.824 We're covered, Bill. 0:39:55.826,0:39:56.786 All right. 0:39:58.789,0:40:03.465 - I'm with you today, Ed, and I'm[br]with you tomorrow. - Thanks, Bill. 0:40:19.244,0:40:21.540 Do you know the timing[br]on the first piece? 0:40:23.001,0:40:24.963 Can we hold all the calls, please? 0:40:25.256,0:40:27.426 Hold the calls till after the show.[br]Thank you. 0:40:27.886,0:40:29.973 - You fellas, awake down there?[br]- Okay. 0:40:30.307,0:40:33.062 - Just... what are we? 20?[br]- 30 seconds, Ed. 0:40:49.050,0:40:50.344 10 seconds. 0:40:54.686,0:40:59.153 5, 4,3, 2. 0:41:00.614,0:41:02.033 And pan, camera one. 0:41:05.247,0:41:09.130 Because a report on Senator McCarthy[br]is by definition controversial... 0:41:09.589,0:41:11.885 ...we want to say exactly[br]what we mean to say... 0:41:12.010,0:41:14.765 ...and request your permission[br]to read from a script... 0:41:14.890,0:41:17.353 ...what ever remarks Murrow[br]and Friendly may make. 0:41:17.938,0:41:21.653 If the Senator feels that we have done[br]violence to his words or pictures... 0:41:21.820,0:41:23.991 ...and desires to answer himself... 0:41:24.241,0:41:27.122 ...an opportunity will be afforded him[br]on this program. 0:41:27.497,0:41:30.086 Our working thesis tonight[br]is this quotation: 0:41:30.837,0:41:32.465 ..."If this fight[br]against Communism..." 0:41:32.549,0:41:35.888 "...has made a fight between[br]America's two great political parties..." 0:41:36.013,0:41:39.520 "...the American people know that one[br]of these parties will be destroyed..." 0:41:39.603,0:41:42.985 "...and the Republic cannot endure[br]very long as a one-party system." 0:41:43.444,0:41:45.072 We applaud that statement... 0:41:45.197,0:41:47.368 ...and we think[br]Senator McCarthy ought to. 0:41:47.660,0:41:49.956 He said it[br]17 months ago in Milwaukee. 0:41:51.042,0:41:54.298 The American people realize[br]that this cannot be made a fight... 0:41:54.548,0:41:57.136 ...between America's[br]two great political parties. 0:41:57.220,0:41:58.764 If this fight against Communism... 0:41:58.890,0:42:02.104 ...is made a fight against America's[br]two great political parties... 0:42:02.229,0:42:05.819 ...the American people know that one[br]of those parties will be destroyed... 0:42:05.944,0:42:09.326 ...and the Republic can't endure[br]very long as a one-party system. 0:42:10.202,0:42:12.791 On one thing the Senator[br]has been consistent. 0:42:13.375,0:42:16.673 Often operating as a one-man[br]committee, he has traveled far... 0:42:16.756,0:42:18.969 ...interviewed many,[br]terrorized some... 0:42:19.553,0:42:21.515 ...accused civilian[br]and military leaders... 0:42:21.599,0:42:24.020 ...of the past administration[br]of a great conspiracy... 0:42:24.145,0:42:26.107 ...to turn over the country[br]to Communism. 0:42:26.191,0:42:30.574 I was extremely shocked when I heard[br]that Secretary Stevens... 0:42:31.158,0:42:35.500 ...told 2 Army officers that they had[br]to take part in the cover up... 0:42:35.959,0:42:38.547 ...of those who promoted[br]and coddled Communists. 0:42:38.839,0:42:41.720 As I read his statement, I... 0:42:42.680,0:42:45.644 ...thought of that quotation,[br]"On what meat..." 0:42:46.354,0:42:48.524 "...does this our Caesar feed?". 0:42:48.775,0:42:49.735 The questions is: 0:42:49.860,0:42:52.824 ...did the Civil Liberties Union[br]supply you with an attorney? 0:42:52.949,0:42:55.454 - They did supply an attorney.[br]- The answer is yes? 0:42:55.579,0:42:56.581 The answer is yes. 0:42:56.665,0:42:59.378 Do you think this book[br]did considerable harm? 0:42:59.670,0:43:01.048 Its publication... 0:43:02.175,0:43:04.847 ...by an expression of the views[br]contained in it? 0:43:05.222,0:43:08.437 The sale of that book[br]was so abysmally small... 0:43:09.021,0:43:13.321 ...it was so unsuccessful,[br]that the question of its influence... 0:43:13.780,0:43:15.575 You can go back[br]to the publisher... 0:43:15.659,0:43:19.332 ...you'll see it was one of the most[br]unsuccessful books he ever put out. 0:43:19.457,0:43:21.586 He's still sorry about it,[br]just as I am. 0:43:21.920,0:43:25.093 Well, I think that's a compliment[br]to American intelligence. 0:43:26.011,0:43:27.097 I'll say that. 0:43:27.765,0:43:31.438 The Reed Harris hearing demonstrates[br]one of the Senator's techniques. 0:43:31.563,0:43:32.774 Twice he said... 0:43:33.108,0:43:36.948 ...'The American Civil Liberties Union[br]was listed as a subversive front." 0:43:37.032,0:43:39.996 The Attorney General's list does not[br]and never has listed... 0:43:40.121,0:43:43.001 ...the ACLU as subversive,[br]nor does the FBI... 0:43:43.085,0:43:45.297 ...or any other[br]federal government agency. 0:43:45.673,0:43:48.721 And the American Civil Liberties Union[br]holds in its files... 0:43:48.846,0:43:51.434 ...letters of commendation[br]from President Truman... 0:43:51.517,0:43:54.106 ...President Eisenhower,[br]and General MacArthur. 0:43:55.191,0:43:59.699 Earlier, the Senator asked, "Upon what[br]meat does this our Caesar feed?". 0:43:59.950,0:44:02.663 Had he looked three lines earlier[br]in Shakespeare's "Caesar"... 0:44:02.830,0:44:06.337 ...he would have found this line,[br]which is not altogether inappropriate. 0:44:06.504,0:44:10.678 "The fault, dear Brutus, is not[br]in our stars, but in ourselves." 0:44:11.388,0:44:13.684 No one familiar with the history[br]of this country... 0:44:13.851,0:44:16.481 ...can deny that Congressional[br]committees are useful. 0:44:16.606,0:44:19.403 It is necessary to investigate[br]before legislating... 0:44:19.528,0:44:23.077 ...but the line between investigating[br]and persecuting is a very fine one... 0:44:23.202,0:44:27.126 ...and the junior Senator from Wisconsin[br]has stepped over it repeatedly. 0:44:27.293,0:44:29.798 We must not confuse dissent[br]with disloyalty. 0:44:30.382,0:44:33.471 We must remember always[br]that accusation is not proof... 0:44:33.763,0:44:37.479 ...and that conviction depends[br]upon evidence and due process of law. 0:44:38.522,0:44:40.776 We will not walk in fear,[br]one of another. 0:44:40.860,0:44:43.699 We will not be driven by fear[br]into an age of unreason... 0:44:43.866,0:44:46.579 ...if we dig deep[br]in our history and doctrine... 0:44:46.746,0:44:50.002 ...and remember that we are not[br]descended from fearful men... 0:44:50.253,0:44:53.717 ...not from men who feared to write,[br]to associate, to speak... 0:44:53.843,0:44:57.182 ...and to defend the causes[br]that were for the moment unpopular. 0:44:57.808,0:45:01.190 This is no time for men who oppose[br]Senator McCarthy's methods... 0:45:01.357,0:45:03.820 ...to keep silent,[br]or for those who approve. 0:45:04.571,0:45:07.118 Wec an deny our heritage[br]and our history... 0:45:07.201,0:45:10.040 ...but we cannot escape[br]responsibility for the results. 0:45:10.582,0:45:12.837 We proclaim ourselves,[br]indeed as we are... 0:45:12.878,0:45:16.844 ...the defenders of freedom wherever[br]it continues to exist in the world... 0:45:16.969,0:45:20.476 ...but we cannot defend freedom abroad[br]by deserting it at home. 0:45:21.144,0:45:23.398 The actions of the junior Senator[br]from Wisconsin... 0:45:23.565,0:45:26.487 ...have caused alarm and dismay[br]amongst our allies abroad... 0:45:26.612,0:45:29.201 ...and given considerable comfort[br]to our enemies. 0:45:29.827,0:45:32.749 And whose fault is that?[br]Not really his. 0:45:33.208,0:45:35.504 He didn't create[br]this situation of fear... 0:45:35.796,0:45:38.718 ...he merely exploited it,[br]and rather successfully. 0:45:40.388,0:45:41.641 Cassius was right. 0:45:42.225,0:45:46.566 "The fault, dear Brutus, is not[br]in our stars, but in ourselves." 0:45:47.610,0:45:49.614 Good night, and good luck. 0:45:57.378,0:45:58.464 And we're out. 0:46:12.114,0:46:13.158 Nothing? 0:46:16.414,0:46:17.833 Maybe nobody watched. 0:46:23.010,0:46:25.306 - We got nothing.[br]- I don't know. - Nothing. 0:46:25.890,0:46:28.478 Should I turn the phones back on,[br]Mr. Williams? 0:46:29.939,0:46:32.319 Yes. Now would be[br]a good time for that. 0:46:33.112,0:46:35.241 Turn the phones on![br]Turn the pho... 0:46:35.992,0:46:37.537 Mr. Friendly wants the phones on. 0:46:37.704,0:46:39.416 It's the Junior Senator[br]calling collect. 0:46:39.541,0:46:42.755 Don't kid yourself. It's Reed Harris[br]thanking us for mentioning him. 0:46:42.880,0:46:45.803 I don't know whether all of you[br]have seen what I just saw... 0:46:45.970,0:46:48.683 ...but I want to associate myself[br]and this program... 0:46:48.766,0:46:50.311 ...with what Ed Murrow[br]has just said... 0:46:50.436,0:46:53.191 ...and say I have never been[br]prouder of CBS. 0:46:56.114,0:47:00.121 Senator McCarthy said today that he[br]would demand equal free television... 0:47:04.963,0:47:08.929 Stevenson had charged that the Senator[br]made demagoguery and deceit... 0:47:09.221,0:47:10.933 ...the national policy... 0:47:13.688,0:47:15.692 - Is that Hollenbeck?[br]- Congratulations! 0:47:15.859,0:47:16.819 Great show! 0:47:17.737,0:47:19.032 Feel like a Scotch? 0:47:19.658,0:47:21.661 I think everybody[br]could use a Scotch. 0:48:13.342,0:48:16.556 - It's 3:30, early editions are out.[br]- I'm not worried about that. 0:48:16.681,0:48:18.351 Of course not.[br]Shirley, honey... 0:48:18.476,0:48:21.315 ...would you go across the street[br]and get the early editions? 0:48:21.524,0:48:23.402 - All of them?[br]- Just get O'Brian! 0:48:26.116,0:48:27.994 - Hey, watch my drink![br]- Yeah. 0:49:00.346,0:49:02.142 Okay. Here we go. 0:49:02.768,0:49:05.648 - At last![br]- The Times. - The Times... 0:49:05.815,0:49:06.817 - First?[br]- Good. 0:49:07.527,0:49:09.322 - Who wrote it?[br]- Jack Gould. 0:49:09.864,0:49:11.200 Gould... 0:49:11.785,0:49:15.208 Edward R. Murrows television program[br]on Senator Joseph R. McCarthy... 0:49:15.333,0:49:19.132 ...was an exciting and provocative[br]examination of the man and his methods. 0:49:19.215,0:49:22.722 It was crusading journalism[br]of high responsibility and courage. 0:49:22.847,0:49:25.602 For TV so often plagued[br]by timidity and hesitation... 0:49:25.727,0:49:29.443 ...the program was a milestone[br]that reflected enlightened citizenship. 0:49:29.610,0:49:30.820 The program... Hold on! 0:49:30.946,0:49:33.742 The program was no less[br]an indictment of those who wish... 0:49:33.784,0:49:36.915 ...the problems posed[br]by the Senator's tactics and theatrics... 0:49:36.999,0:49:38.961 ...would just go away[br]and leave them alone. 0:49:39.086,0:49:42.008 That was Mr. Murrows[br]and television's triumph... 0:49:42.175,0:49:43.678 ...and a very great one. 0:49:47.059,0:49:48.144 Here! Here! 0:49:48.311,0:49:50.440 - He hated it.[br]- Yeah. What's his beef? 0:49:51.150,0:49:52.903 Send the New YorkTimes[br]abottle of Scotch. 0:49:53.029,0:49:55.074 I already did. How do you think[br]we got that review? 0:49:55.199,0:49:57.161 - How's the Post?[br]- Pretty good! 0:49:57.829,0:49:59.875 - What about O'Brian?[br]- Uh, the same. 0:50:01.336,0:50:04.341 - Goon, read O'Brian![br]- I don't have it. 0:50:04.425,0:50:05.886 - Got it.[br]- Oh. Here. 0:50:08.182,0:50:10.061 - There we go.[br]- Shirley, that... 0:50:13.734,0:50:17.241 We can't say we were surprised at[br]Murrows "Hate McCarthy" telecast... 0:50:17.408,0:50:20.288 ...last evening, when his explosively[br]one-sided propaganda... 0:50:20.413,0:50:23.711 ...edited with deviously clever[br]selectivity from McCarthy's march... 0:50:23.836,0:50:26.174 ...against Communism,[br]was finished last evening... 0:50:26.299,0:50:29.764 ...by equally Machiavellian coincidence[br]the following telecast... 0:50:29.848,0:50:32.853 ...featured Murrow's PM protege,[br]Hollenbeck. 0:50:33.646,0:50:35.942 In an obviously gloating mood,[br]Hollenbeck... 0:50:36.068,0:50:39.491 ...hoped viewers had witnessed[br]his patron's triumph... 0:50:39.616,0:50:40.868 ...from and for the Left. 0:50:42.079,0:50:43.290 Soon. Soon... 0:50:43.456,0:50:45.460 Shirley, it's okay.[br]Go ahead, finish it. 0:50:45.585,0:50:48.758 - No, that's it. That's it.[br]- Shirley, please, finish it. 0:50:51.889,0:50:56.606 The CBS has been in a lengthy[br]"clean house of Lefties" mood. 0:50:56.648,0:50:58.401 The worst offenders[br]on lesser levels... 0:50:58.485,0:51:00.697 ...have been quietly[br]pushed out of the company. 0:51:00.781,0:51:04.705 Don Hollenbeck, a graduate[br]of the demised pinko publication PM... 0:51:04.788,0:51:08.545 ...attacked conservative papers[br]with sly and slanted propaganda. 0:51:08.712,0:51:11.008 He then proceeded[br]through an equally... 0:51:12.887,0:51:14.682 ...tilted review of the day's events... 0:51:14.723,0:51:18.063 ...with McCarthy dominating his words,[br]actions, attitudes. 0:51:19.107,0:51:20.067 Soon. 0:51:22.864,0:51:25.828 - It's O'Brian. - He didn't get[br]the Scotch, that's all. 0:51:26.287,0:51:29.251 - Is it grammatically correct?[br]- I'll have that cigarette, Ed. 0:51:30.879,0:51:33.843 - Thanks, Shirley.[br]- Oh. - Mmh. - Thank you. 0:51:34.010,0:51:36.306 Joe... Shirley... 0:51:41.315,0:51:42.567 It doesn't matter. 0:51:47.827,0:51:48.954 To Jack Gould! 0:51:50.081,0:51:52.878 - To Jack! To Jack! To Jack Gould![br]- To Jack Gould! 0:51:53.004,0:51:53.964 I love Jack Gould! 0:51:56.009,0:51:57.470 May he rest in peace. 0:51:59.766,0:52:02.521 - Hello, Jimmy.[br]- Fred, congratulations! - Thank you. 0:52:03.398,0:52:05.736 I got such a hangover[br]to go along with the ulcer. 0:52:05.861,0:52:07.698 All the adguys on the 3rd floor[br]watched the show. 0:52:07.823,0:52:09.702 Got a good review[br]in the New York Times. Jack Gould. 0:52:09.827,0:52:11.204 We're putting out a press release... 0:52:11.371,0:52:14.168 ...saying that calls came in[br]15 to 1 in favor of the show. - Really? 0:52:14.293,0:52:16.631 - Yeah. - 15 to 1?[br]- We got calls from everywhere. 0:52:16.923,0:52:20.263 - East Coast or West Coast?[br]- Yeah. Kansas City, Cincinnati... 0:52:21.307,0:52:22.392 Mr. Paley... 0:52:23.519,0:52:25.606 - Morning, Fred.[br]- Morning, Mr. Paley. 0:52:30.783,0:52:31.743 How's your wife? 0:52:32.244,0:52:34.456 She's fine.[br]We're getting ready to move. 0:52:34.540,0:52:37.587 - Really? Where to? - Riverdale.[br]We found a nice house there. 0:52:37.712,0:52:38.631 It's nice there. 0:52:39.549,0:52:40.593 Yes, sir. 0:52:47.689,0:52:48.650 Excuse me. 0:52:48.900,0:52:52.615 Fred! McCarthy wants William Buckey[br]to do his rebuttal. 0:52:53.951,0:52:54.995 I said no. 0:52:56.873,0:52:57.792 Yes, sir. 0:53:04.220,0:53:05.264 Hey, Johnny! 0:53:05.556,0:53:07.769 - Radulovich has been reinstated.[br]- What?! 0:53:07.894,0:53:10.566 Radulovich... Guys![br]Radulovich has been reinstated. 0:53:10.691,0:53:12.486 - Jesse! Jesse![br]- Where is Ed? 0:53:12.653,0:53:15.158 - He's in the bullpen. Why?[br]What's going on? - Jess! 0:53:15.283,0:53:16.744 Got some very good news. 0:53:17.412,0:53:20.459 Special announcement[br]from the Secretary of the Air Force! 0:53:20.626,0:53:22.588 Fellas! Listen up! Everyone! 0:53:23.507,0:53:25.552 I have decided[br]that it is consistent... 0:53:25.677,0:53:28.432 ...with the interests[br]of the National Security to retain... 0:53:28.558,0:53:31.814 ...Lieutenant Radulovich[br]in the United States Air Force. Stop. 0:53:31.981,0:53:35.320 He is not, in my opinion,[br]a security risk. Fullstop. 0:53:37.950,0:53:41.582 There you go. Harold E. Talbott,[br]Secretary from the Air Force. 0:53:42.208,0:53:43.168 Great job! 0:53:43.294,0:53:45.256 - Make a copy of that for me![br]- I will do, Fred! 0:53:45.339,0:53:47.301 Back to work, guys![br]We got a lot of work to do. 0:53:47.426,0:53:48.637 This means something. 0:53:48.762,0:53:50.223 - Good news, huh?[br]- Congratulations! 0:53:50.349,0:53:54.440 - This absolutely means something.[br]- Absolutely. This is the start of... 0:54:01.411,0:54:02.455 Palmer! 0:54:05.544,0:54:07.506 The CBS lawyers wanna talk to you. 0:54:11.179,0:54:12.139 When? 0:54:12.766,0:54:13.893 Tomorrow. 0:54:14.853,0:54:18.109 I don't want you to get paranoid,[br]they're talking to everybody. 0:54:18.234,0:54:19.320 Any ideas? 0:54:20.948,0:54:22.492 Just tell them what you know. 0:54:22.617,0:54:25.289 - Now is that testimony true?[br]- No, sir, it is not. 0:54:25.414,0:54:28.545 Not at any time have I been[br]a member of the Communist Party... 0:54:28.670,0:54:31.050 ...and I have never seen[br]a Communist card. 0:54:31.133,0:54:33.429 - You've never seen a Communist card?[br]- That's right. 0:54:33.555,0:54:35.517 Have you ever attended[br]any Communist meetings? 0:54:35.642,0:54:37.186 No, sir, never. 0:54:37.270,0:54:39.524 Have you ever subscribed[br]to The Daily Worker? 0:54:39.691,0:54:43.365 No, sir. I didn't subscribe to it[br]and I wouldn't pay for it. 0:54:44.241,0:54:49.376 Uh... Now, Mrs. Markward,[br]who was working for the FBI... 0:54:50.127,0:54:53.467 ...who joined the Communist Party[br]under orders from the FBI... 0:54:53.634,0:54:56.681 ...has testified that while[br]she never met you personally... 0:54:56.973,0:55:00.104 ...at a Communist meeting[br]that your name was on the list... 0:55:00.230,0:55:02.359 ...of Communists[br]who were paying dues. 0:55:02.943,0:55:05.615 Uh... Can you shed[br]any light upon that? 0:55:06.617,0:55:09.413 No, sir. I don't even know[br]what the dues are... 0:55:09.580,0:55:13.087 ...or where they were paid.[br]- So you have never paid any money... 0:55:14.172,0:55:15.967 ...to the Communist Party. 0:55:16.761,0:55:18.430 - Is that correct?[br]- That's right. 0:55:18.639,0:55:20.726 You've never paid[br]any dues, payment... 0:55:20.893,0:55:22.521 Thank you very much, Leo! 0:55:23.482,0:55:25.193 Good work, Joe, Charlie. 0:55:25.903,0:55:27.197 Now what is the show? 0:55:27.322,0:55:30.035 Is it defending Annie Lee Moss[br]as not being a Communist? 0:55:30.119,0:55:32.707 - Or is ither Constitutional rights?[br]- Both. - The latter. 0:55:32.832,0:55:35.295 We're much better sticking out[br]the Constitutional issues. 0:55:35.421,0:55:37.007 - Agreed?[br]- The woman is not a Communist spy. 0:55:37.132,0:55:39.720 Joe McCarthy said that they have[br]a spy in the Pentagon... 0:55:39.887,0:55:41.557 ...that spy has gotten[br]into the code room... 0:55:41.682,0:55:43.310 ...and that that spy[br]is Annie Lee Moss. 0:55:43.436,0:55:45.982 I've got New York Times reports.[br]McCarthy asserts he has... 0:55:46.024,0:55:48.821 ...a new red link to Army. Quote,[br]"Senator McCarthy charged today..." 0:55:49.029,0:55:51.492 "...that the Army now employs[br]a woman in its code room..." 0:55:51.576,0:55:54.122 "...who was, and still may be,[br]an active Communist." 0:55:54.289,0:55:55.792 It's the front page[br]of the New York Times. 0:55:55.876,0:55:59.507 No sooner is he done chastising the[br]other committee members for wanting... 0:55:59.633,0:56:02.555 ...to push into the afternoon,[br]than what? Seven questions in... 0:56:02.722,0:56:04.266 ...he ducks out, leaves...[br]- Right. 0:56:04.392,0:56:07.314 - Heleaves. - It's all over[br]the headlines, all over the country. 0:56:07.481,0:56:08.984 Get me copies from any newspaper... 0:56:09.150,0:56:10.695 ...that printed anything[br]about that assertion. 0:56:10.862,0:56:14.160 That's a good idea. You should get[br]the Cincinnati Inquirer. 0:56:14.243,0:56:17.249 - Chicago. - Couple other pieces[br]I think we should include. 0:56:17.416,0:56:20.505 The fact that there's 3 Annie Lee Moss's[br]in the phone book. 0:56:20.630,0:56:23.594 There are 2 Robert Halls,[br]one's colored, one's white. 0:56:23.719,0:56:25.556 We have some footage[br]of the empty chair. 0:56:25.681,0:56:28.812 I think that says it all.[br]Just that picture of McCarthy not... 0:56:28.938,0:56:31.818 McCarthy leaving the hearing[br]after 7 questions... 0:56:31.943,0:56:34.072 ...and then we'll cut[br]to the shot of thechair. 0:56:34.114,0:56:36.827 - We gotta do something about it.[br]- All right, so... 0:56:36.911,0:56:40.751 Excuse me. Mr. Murrow![br]McCarthy wants April 6th. 0:56:44.550,0:56:45.803 Thank you, Natalie. 0:56:50.520,0:56:53.734 Fine. If Charlie shoots it, we get[br]to see it first. We should offer. 0:56:53.859,0:56:56.364 - It's a long shot.[br]- What the hell could McCarthy do? 0:56:56.489,0:56:58.952 Is he gonna debate himself?[br]We just used his words! 0:57:02.334,0:57:04.504 Johnny! Johnny! We know[br]what it's going to be. 0:57:04.630,0:57:07.635 He's going to come after me.[br]There's nothing more he can do. 0:57:07.677,0:57:10.223 He's gonna bet that[br]a Senator trumps a newsman. 0:57:11.183,0:57:12.102 He'll lose. 0:57:12.561,0:57:14.147 Not if we're playing bridge. 0:57:15.942,0:57:18.823 - I'm sorry, guys. I didn't mean[br]to interrupt. - Hey, Don. 0:57:18.906,0:57:21.035 - It's getting fun now![br]- Ed, you have aminute? 0:57:21.494,0:57:25.126 - Yes, I'll be right there.[br]- All right, boys. Playtime's over. 0:57:25.585,0:57:26.921 We have 4 days... 0:57:27.172,0:57:29.635 ...to do a 29 minute show.[br]- Yeah. - All right. 0:57:29.760,0:57:31.138 All right, go ahead.[br]Hi, Mary. 0:57:31.263,0:57:32.933 Hello, Mr. Hollenbeck.[br]Mr. Murrow... 0:57:33.100,0:57:34.936 - Could you give us a moment?[br]- Sure. 0:57:36.815,0:57:37.858 Thank you, dear. 0:57:39.695,0:57:42.283 I have to ask you something, Ed.[br]It's about O'Brian. 0:57:42.450,0:57:44.287 - O'Brian doesn'tmatter.[br]- He's killing me, Ed. 0:57:44.454,0:57:46.124 He doesn't amount to that much[br]in the newsroom. 0:57:46.291,0:57:47.669 We've got to let that guy have it. 0:57:47.794,0:57:51.050 We're not going after O'Brian. I will[br]not take on McCarthy and Hearst. 0:57:51.175,0:57:52.427 I can't defeat them both. 0:57:53.596,0:57:56.852 Just don't read the papers.[br]Or don't read O'Brian, anyway. 0:58:02.071,0:58:04.325 Okay. I guess not. 0:58:05.702,0:58:06.704 Sorry, Don. 0:58:20.898,0:58:22.693 Although Mrs. Moss[br]offered to testify... 0:58:22.776,0:58:25.907 ...Senator McCarthy suggested[br]that she was too sick. 0:58:25.990,0:58:29.664 - She agreed... - Mr. Cohn wanted[br]to know about Mrs. Moss's connection... 0:58:29.789,0:58:33.421 ...to tell the truth, the whole truth,[br]and nothing but the truth... 0:58:33.504,0:58:34.673 ...so help you God? 0:58:38.514,0:58:41.144 May we get your full name[br]for the record, please? 0:58:41.561,0:58:42.855 Annie Lee Moss. 0:58:44.024,0:58:45.611 - M-O-S-S?[br]- That's right. 0:58:46.028,0:58:49.242 Mrs. Moss, let me say for the record,[br]for your information... 0:58:49.409,0:58:51.538 ...for the information[br]of your counsel... 0:58:52.123,0:58:54.001 ...that you are not here because... 0:58:55.379,0:59:00.430 ...you are considered important[br]in the Communist apparatus. 0:59:00.555,0:59:04.062 We have the testimony that you are,[br]and have been, a Communist. 0:59:05.189,0:59:08.570 We are rather curious, however,[br]to kno whow you suddenly... 0:59:09.948,0:59:11.284 ...were shifted from... 0:59:13.246,0:59:16.251 ...a worker in a cafeteria[br]to the code room. 0:59:16.544,0:59:19.841 I am today much more interested... 0:59:20.635,0:59:24.350 ...in the handling of your case... 0:59:25.101,0:59:28.274 ...by your superiors[br]than in your own personal activities. 0:59:28.650,0:59:32.866 However, counsel will question you[br]about your own activities also. 0:59:33.200,0:59:36.289 - Mr. Chairman![br]- We will not hear from counsel. 0:59:36.873,0:59:38.877 You have been told what the rule is. 0:59:39.169,0:59:42.133 If you have anything to say,[br]say it through your client. 0:59:45.932,0:59:49.606 Chairman. Did you begin work[br]at the General Accounting Office in... 0:59:50.524,0:59:52.653 ...1945?[br]- Yes, sir. 0:59:53.571,0:59:57.746 And, prior to that time,[br]had you been a cafeteria worker? 0:59:57.871,0:59:59.249 Yes, I had. 0:59:59.541,1:00:03.841 I see. While in the Pentagon,[br]since 1950... 1:00:04.216,1:00:06.930 ...have you had any connections[br]with coded messages? 1:00:07.055,1:00:09.017 Have you ever handled[br]coded messages? 1:00:10.144,1:00:12.607 - No more than to transmit 'em.[br]- Pardon me? 1:00:12.941,1:00:15.153 No more than to transmit[br]the message. 1:00:15.237,1:00:17.616 Than to transmit them?[br]Did you transmit codes? 1:00:17.700,1:00:20.413 To receive or transmit messages[br]was all I had to do. 1:00:20.455,1:00:23.127 And I've never been[br]into a courtroom in my life. 1:00:23.669,1:00:24.880 Do you know the... 1:00:26.967,1:00:28.554 ...type of classification... 1:00:28.679,1:00:32.812 - Do you know if they were secret,[br]top secret, confidential? - No, sir. 1:00:33.104,1:00:36.485 - You wouldn't know the degree[br]of classification? - No, sir. 1:00:36.903,1:00:37.904 I see. 1:00:39.198,1:00:42.329 I'm afraid I'm going[br]to have to excuse myself, I've got... 1:00:43.540,1:00:47.506 ...a rather important appointment[br]to work on right now... 1:00:47.631,1:00:51.805 ...and I wonder if, Senator Mundt,[br]you would takeover as Chairman? 1:00:56.857,1:00:58.359 - Chairman. Uh...[br]- Cohn. 1:00:58.443,1:01:01.449 I have no further questions[br]of this witness at this time. 1:01:01.616,1:01:05.707 We have the testimony of Mrs. Markward,[br]the undercover agent for the FBI... 1:01:06.040,1:01:09.589 ...stating that Annie Lee Moss[br]was a member, a dues-paying member... 1:01:09.631,1:01:11.384 ...of the Communist Party... 1:01:11.843,1:01:14.056 ...the Northeast Club[br]of the Communist Party. 1:01:14.223,1:01:17.520 We have corroboration[br]of that testimony by another... 1:01:18.606,1:01:20.776 ...witness who was called[br]before the Committee... 1:01:20.902,1:01:22.655 ...and gave a sworn statement[br]to the effect... 1:01:22.780,1:01:25.494 ...that she also knew Mrs. Moss[br]as a member... 1:01:25.619,1:01:27.539 ...of the Northeast Club[br]of the Communist Party. 1:01:27.664,1:01:31.922 She's already lost her job. She's been[br]suspended because of this action. 1:01:32.716,1:01:36.222 I'm not defending her. If she's[br]a Communist, I want her exposed. 1:01:36.598,1:01:40.230 But to make these statements[br]as we've got corroborating evidence... 1:01:40.689,1:01:43.861 ...that she is a Communist,[br]under these circumstances... 1:01:43.945,1:01:47.577 ...I think she's entitled to have it[br]produced here in her presence... 1:01:47.744,1:01:51.083 ...and let the public know about it[br]and let her know about it. 1:01:54.465,1:01:57.679 I don't like to try people[br]by hearsay evidence. 1:01:59.182,1:02:01.853 I'd like to get the witnesses here[br]and try them... 1:02:03.607,1:02:05.318 ...by testimony, under oath. 1:02:05.611,1:02:09.159 The Chair will rule[br]that the comment of Mr. Cohn... 1:02:09.284,1:02:10.870 ...be stricken from the record. 1:02:11.163,1:02:13.667 I didnt ask that, Mr. Chairman! 1:02:13.793,1:02:16.381 ...whether we should try to produce[br]a witness in public... 1:02:16.506,1:02:19.720 ...because the FBI may have[br]her undercover and we don't want to... 1:02:19.846,1:02:24.354 You can't strike these statements[br]made by counsel here as to evidence... 1:02:24.479,1:02:28.654 ...that we're having and withholding.[br]You cannot strike that from the press... 1:02:28.737,1:02:33.830 ...nor from the public mind[br]once it's planted there. That's the... 1:02:35.709,1:02:37.044 ...evil of it! 1:02:37.378,1:02:40.551 - Well, I'd look at it...[br]- I don't think it's fair to a witness... 1:02:40.635,1:02:42.096 ...to a citizen of this country... 1:02:42.263,1:02:44.266 ...to bring them up here[br]and cross-examine them... 1:02:44.433,1:02:45.811 ...then when they get through, say... 1:02:45.936,1:02:48.817 ..."The FBI has got something on you[br]that condemns you." 1:02:48.900,1:02:51.613 - The Chair agrees...[br]- It is not sworn testimony... 1:02:51.780,1:02:55.287 ...it's convicting people[br]by rumor and hearsay and innuendo. 1:02:57.082,1:03:00.630 You will notice that neither Senator[br]McClellan or Senator Symington... 1:03:00.756,1:03:05.097 ...nor this reporter know or claim[br]that Mrs. Moss was or is a Communist. 1:03:05.723,1:03:10.190 They simply claimed that she had the[br]right to meet her accusers face to face. 1:03:25.051,1:03:29.142 One month ago tonight we presented[br]a report on Senator Joseph R. McCarthy. 1:03:29.601,1:03:31.313 We labeled it as controversial. 1:03:31.939,1:03:35.571 Most of that report consisted[br]of words and pictures of the Senator. 1:03:36.197,1:03:37.700 At that time, we said... 1:03:37.909,1:03:41.749 ..."If theSenator believes we havedone[br]violence to his words or pictures..." 1:03:41.874,1:03:44.463 "...if he desires to speak,[br]to answer himself..." 1:03:44.630,1:03:47.677 "...an opportunity would be[br]afforded him on this program." 1:03:48.011,1:03:51.684 The Senator sought the opportunity[br]after 3 weeks... 1:03:51.810,1:03:55.859 ...because he was very busy and wished[br]adequate time to prepare his reply. 1:03:56.402,1:03:57.362 We agreed. 1:03:57.946,1:04:02.079 We placed no restrictions on the manner[br]of the presentation of his reply... 1:04:02.246,1:04:05.293 ...and we suggested that we would not[br]take time to comment... 1:04:05.418,1:04:07.130 ...on this particular program. 1:04:07.756,1:04:11.638 Here now is Senator Joseph R. McCarthy,[br]junior Senator from Wisconsin. 1:04:13.100,1:04:19.403 Good evening. Mr. Edward R. Murrow,[br]Educational Director of the CBS... 1:04:20.488,1:04:22.784 ...devoted his program[br]to an attack... 1:04:22.910,1:04:26.040 ...on the work ofthe US Senate[br]Investigating Committee... 1:04:26.458,1:04:28.629 ...and on me personally[br]as its Chairman. 1:04:29.547,1:04:33.137 Now, over the past 4 years,[br]he has made repeated attacks upon me... 1:04:33.638,1:04:35.433 ...and those fighting Communists. 1:04:36.852,1:04:39.983 Of course, neither Joe McCarthy[br]nor Edward R. Murrow... 1:04:40.693,1:04:43.615 ...is of any great importance[br]as individuals. 1:04:44.659,1:04:46.203 We are only important... 1:04:46.537,1:04:50.503 ...in our relation to the great struggle[br]to preserve our American liberties. 1:04:51.087,1:04:55.721 Now ordinarily, I wouldnt take time[br]out from the important work at hand... 1:04:56.473,1:04:57.683 ...to answer Murrow. 1:04:58.268,1:04:59.729 However, in this case... 1:04:59.854,1:05:03.694 ...I feel justified in doing so[br]because Murrow is the symbol... 1:05:04.446,1:05:05.489 ...the leader... 1:05:05.823,1:05:10.875 ...and the cleverest of the jackal pack[br]which is always found at the throat... 1:05:11.375,1:05:15.341 ...of anyone who dares to expose[br]individual Communists and traitors. 1:05:16.594,1:05:18.514 And I am compelled by the fact... 1:05:19.015,1:05:21.394 ...to say to you[br]that Mr. Edward R. Murrow... 1:05:22.062,1:05:24.525 ...as far back as 20 years ago... 1:05:25.277,1:05:28.616 ...was engaged in propaganda[br]for Communist causes. 1:05:29.869,1:05:32.916 For example, the Institute[br]of International Education... 1:05:33.125,1:05:35.379 ...of which he was[br]the Acting Director... 1:05:36.005,1:05:38.885 ...was chosen to act[br]as a representative... 1:05:39.261,1:05:40.889 ...by a Soviet agency... 1:05:42.142,1:05:47.485 ...to do a job which would normally[br]be done by the Russian secret police. 1:05:48.403,1:05:52.077 Mr. Murrow, by his own admission,[br]was a member of the IWW... 1:05:52.202,1:05:54.707 ...that's the Industrial Workers[br]of the World... 1:05:54.832,1:05:57.587 ...a terrorist organization[br]cited as subversive... 1:05:58.213,1:06:00.676 ...by an Attorney General[br]of the United States. 1:06:00.843,1:06:04.183 Mr. Murrow said on this program[br]and I quote... 1:06:04.976,1:06:08.650 ..."The actions of the junior[br]Senator from Wisconsin..." 1:06:10.027,1:06:14.035 "...have given considerable comfort[br]to the enemy." 1:06:14.744,1:06:18.585 That is the language of our statute[br]of treason, rather strong language. 1:06:19.378,1:06:24.721 If I am giving comfort to our enemies,[br]I ought not to be in the Senate. 1:06:25.055,1:06:26.976 If, on the other hand,[br]Mr. Murrow... 1:06:27.435,1:06:29.480 ...is giving comfort to our enemies... 1:06:29.772,1:06:32.194 ...he ought not to be brought[br]into the homes... 1:06:32.402,1:06:35.951 ...of millions of Americans[br]by the CBS. 1:06:36.201,1:06:37.579 And I want to assure you... 1:06:38.789,1:06:41.712 ...that I will not be deterred... 1:06:42.505,1:06:48.307 ...by the attacks of the Murrows,[br]the Lattimores, the Fosters... 1:06:49.100,1:06:53.066 ...The Daily Worker[br]or the Communist Party itself. 1:06:55.195,1:06:58.326 And I make no claim to leadership. 1:07:00.622,1:07:02.208 Incomplete humility... 1:07:04.087,1:07:08.178 ...I do ask you and every American[br]who loves this country... 1:07:08.971,1:07:10.516 ...to join with me. 1:07:38.568,1:07:40.655 [Everyone talks about the weather.] 1:07:41.574,1:07:44.287 [Wherever you look[br]on America's modern farms...] 1:07:44.705,1:07:49.088 [... aluminum is on the job, helping the[br]farmer do something about the weather.] 1:07:50.006,1:07:53.262 [Aluminum for the farm[br]is one more example of how Alcoa...] 1:07:53.388,1:07:54.682 [... since 1999...] 1:07:55.057,1:07:58.814 [... has continued to pioneer[br]new uses for this vital metal.] 1:07:59.524,1:08:03.532 [New uses of aluminum that mean[br]better farms and better farming.] 1:08:04.200,1:08:07.831 The aluminum from the nation's[br]first and leading producer...] 1:08:08.458,1:08:11.839 [... Alcoa,[br]Aluminum Company of America.] 1:08:12.423,1:08:14.886 Last week, Senator McCarthy[br]appeared on this program... 1:08:15.011,1:08:17.474 ...to correct any errors[br]he might have thought we made... 1:08:17.600,1:08:19.144 ...in our report of March 9th. 1:08:19.311,1:08:22.693 Since he made no reference to any[br]statements of fact that we made... 1:08:22.734,1:08:25.448 ...we must conclude[br]that he found no errors of fact. 1:08:26.408,1:08:28.954 He proved again[br]that anyone who exposes him... 1:08:29.080,1:08:33.588 ...anyone who doesn't share his disregard[br]for decency and human dignity... 1:08:33.838,1:08:36.301 ...and the rights[br]guaranteed by the Constitution... 1:08:36.427,1:08:39.057 ...must be either a Communist[br]or a fellow traveler. 1:08:39.683,1:08:41.478 I fully expected this treatment. 1:08:42.313,1:08:45.652 The Senator added this reporter's name[br]to a long list of individuals... 1:08:45.819,1:08:49.201 ...and institutions he has accused[br]of serving the Communist cause. 1:08:49.660,1:08:51.371 His proposition is very simple: 1:08:51.789,1:08:55.170 ...anyone who criticizes or opposes[br]Senator McCarthy's methods... 1:08:55.462,1:08:56.840 ...must be a Communist. 1:08:57.633,1:09:01.307 And if that be true, there are[br]an awful lot of Communists in the USA. 1:09:02.016,1:09:05.606 For the record, let's consider briefly[br]some of the Senator's charges. 1:09:05.732,1:09:07.777 He claimed, but offered no proof... 1:09:07.902,1:09:11.242 ...that I had been a member of the[br]Industrial Workers of the World. 1:09:11.367,1:09:12.453 That is false. 1:09:13.079,1:09:16.794 I was never a member ofthe IWW,[br]never applied for membership. 1:09:18.005,1:09:20.593 The Senator charged[br]that Professor Harold Laski... 1:09:20.718,1:09:23.682 ...a British scholar and politician,[br]dedicated a book to me. 1:09:23.807,1:09:24.851 That's true. 1:09:25.185,1:09:28.566 He is dead.[br]He was a socialist, I am not. 1:09:29.651,1:09:31.321 He was a civilized individual... 1:09:31.488,1:09:34.703 ...who did not insist upon agreement[br]with his political principles... 1:09:34.744,1:09:37.583 ...as a pre-condition[br]for conversation or friendship. 1:09:38.042,1:09:40.255 I do not agree[br]with his political ideas. 1:09:41.257,1:09:43.719 I ask, as he makes clear[br]in the introduction... 1:09:43.845,1:09:47.226 ...dedicated the book to me,[br]not because of political agreement... 1:09:47.393,1:09:51.192 ...but because he held my wartime[br]broadcast from London in high regard. 1:09:51.693,1:09:53.363 And the dedication so reads. 1:09:54.949,1:09:57.370 I believed 20 years ago[br]and I believe today... 1:09:57.954,1:10:01.503 ...that mature Americans can engage[br]in conversation and controversy... 1:10:01.628,1:10:04.884 ...the clash of ideas, with Communists[br]anywhere in the world... 1:10:05.009,1:10:07.472 ...without becoming[br]contaminated or converted. 1:10:08.265,1:10:10.854 I believe that our faith,[br]our conviction... 1:10:11.271,1:10:13.734 ...our determination[br]are stronger than theirs... 1:10:14.026,1:10:18.410 ...and that we can successfully compete,[br]not only in the area of bombs... 1:10:18.869,1:10:20.664 ...but in the area of ideas. 1:10:22.960,1:10:25.673 I have worked with CBS[br]for more than 19 years. 1:10:26.049,1:10:29.722 The company has subscribed fully[br]to my integrity and responsibility... 1:10:29.848,1:10:32.311 ...as a broadcaster[br]and as a loyal American. 1:10:33.104,1:10:36.569 I require no lectures from the junior[br]Senator from Wisconsin... 1:10:36.694,1:10:39.240 ...as to the dangers[br]or terrors of Communism. 1:10:40.451,1:10:42.747 Having searched my conscience[br]and my files... 1:10:42.914,1:10:45.919 ...I cannot contend that[br]I have always been right or wise... 1:10:46.045,1:10:49.134 ...but I have attempted to pursue[br]thet ruth with diligence... 1:10:49.301,1:10:50.386 ...and to report it... 1:10:50.511,1:10:53.475 ...even though, as in this case,[br]I had been warned in advance... 1:10:53.601,1:10:57.107 ...that I would be subjected[br]to the attentions of Senator McCarthy. 1:10:58.151,1:11:02.200 We shall hope to deal with matters[br]of more vital interest next week. 1:11:03.077,1:11:04.663 Good night, and good luck. 1:11:12.469,1:11:16.226 In the last analysis, the Senator was[br]perched on the television high dive... 1:11:16.310,1:11:18.606 ...and all prepared[br]to make a resounding splash. 1:11:18.731,1:11:21.361 He jumped beautifully,[br]but he neglected to check first... 1:11:21.486,1:11:24.241 ...where he was going to land.[br]It must have been a shock... 1:11:24.367,1:11:27.915 ...to discover that Mr. Murrow[br]had drained the water out of the pool. 1:11:28.833,1:11:31.296 - Is that the Times? Gould?[br]- Yeah, it's Jack Gould. 1:11:31.421,1:11:33.467 - He's a hell of a writer.[br]- Yes, he is. 1:11:34.177,1:11:36.765 - If we can afford him![br]- Stanton's got a public opinion... 1:11:36.848,1:11:38.476 Senate's investigating McCarthy. 1:11:39.562,1:11:40.522 What? 1:11:40.772,1:11:44.321 The Army's charging that McCarthy[br]and Cohn exercised undue pressure... 1:11:44.446,1:11:47.785 ...to get preferential treatment[br]for Schine. - Who's the source? 1:11:47.869,1:11:51.960 - Got a second source? - There isn't,[br]but this is coming out in 2 hours. 1:11:52.085,1:11:55.341 - Who's heading up the investigation?[br]- It's not gonna be McCarthy! 1:11:55.466,1:11:57.220 - Really?[br]- What happened? 1:11:57.429,1:12:00.225 - Also get me the Washington Post![br]- What's going on? 1:12:00.392,1:12:01.812 It's Williams[br]for Jack Thompson. 1:12:02.020,1:12:03.774 The Senate's investigating McCarthy. 1:12:04.567,1:12:06.696 There is an added bit of comedy[br]to this whole story. 1:12:06.821,1:12:08.783 The Committee cannot convene[br]for several days... 1:12:08.950,1:12:11.622 ...because Senator McCarthy[br]has a slight case of laryngitis. 1:12:11.747,1:12:15.546 And he must recover[br]over the desert air of Arizona. 1:12:18.885,1:12:22.350 - But Stevens is going after him[br]and it looks like Joe Welch. - Yeah. 1:12:22.475,1:12:24.897 They're gonna allow each side[br]to call witnesses... 1:12:25.064,1:12:26.859 ...and be privy to other testimony. 1:12:27.151,1:12:31.033 - Fred, we still have a meeting![br]- We're gonna go to talk toThompson. 1:12:33.621,1:12:34.999 No, thanks, Jack. Bye. 1:12:35.917,1:12:38.881 Freddy, we're a hit.[br]Right up there with "Howdy Dowdy"! 1:12:40.217,1:12:42.221 Can I have[br]an outlet satellite, please? 1:12:44.058,1:12:50.653 - 74, 76,47. Thank you.[br]- Murrayville3, 1-2-7-6. 1:13:10.607,1:13:13.780 The fact of newscaster[br]Don Hollenbeck's suicide yesterday... 1:13:13.905,1:13:17.788 ...does not remove from the record[br]that peculiar history... 1:13:18.622,1:13:23.590 ...of the leftist slanting of news[br]indulged consistently by the CBS. 1:13:24.968,1:13:28.224 Hollenbeck was what most astute[br]students of CBS's strange... 1:13:28.641,1:13:30.895 ...and questionable new methods[br]considered... 1:13:30.979,1:13:36.573 ..."typical of its newscasters".[br]By Jack O'Brian. 1:15:10.833,1:15:12.795 Oh, yeah. I like it like that. 1:15:15.091,1:15:18.973 One of the best programs I ever heard[br]was called "CBS Views The Press". 1:15:19.724,1:15:22.146 A great many people liked it,[br]some didn't... 1:15:22.563,1:15:25.110 ...but noone ever called it[br]anything but honest. 1:15:25.652,1:15:29.368 It was the work of an honest reporter.[br]Don Hollenbeck. 1:15:30.328,1:15:32.707 He also worked occasionally[br]on "See It Now'. 1:15:33.375,1:15:36.255 He did the 11 p.m. News[br]over some of these stations. 1:15:37.007,1:15:39.637 He had been sick lately[br]and he died this morning. 1:15:40.346,1:15:42.851 The police said[br]it was suicide... gas. 1:15:44.646,1:15:45.899 Not much of an obit. 1:15:46.316,1:15:49.447 But, at least we got our facts[br]straight, and it was brief. 1:15:50.491,1:15:53.079 And that's all Don Hollenbeck[br]would have asked. 1:15:54.039,1:15:55.834 Good night, and good luck. 1:16:01.511,1:16:03.515 Got to be in Philadelphia[br]this morning. 1:16:04.642,1:16:06.145 What time is your train? 1:16:07.230,1:16:08.274 9:00. 1:16:09.902,1:16:12.407 - Charlie going with you?[br]- Uh-huh. 1:16:21.465,1:16:22.676 Here's a thought. 1:16:24.513,1:16:25.848 What if we're wrong? 1:16:28.520,1:16:29.731 We're not wrong. 1:16:31.526,1:16:33.112 We're not going to look back... 1:16:35.241,1:16:37.370 ...and say we protected[br]the wrong side? 1:16:39.833,1:16:45.093 Protected them from what? In the name[br]of what? What would we be preserving? 1:16:46.262,1:16:49.643 Argument could bemade,[br]'for the greater good". 1:16:51.939,1:16:54.652 Not once you give it all away.[br]It's no good then. 1:16:56.364,1:16:57.742 It's just a thought. 1:17:04.463,1:17:09.138 Senator, may we not drop this? We know[br]he belonged to the Lawyer's Guild. 1:17:09.263,1:17:11.851 And Mr. Cohn nods his head at me. 1:17:12.018,1:17:15.817 - I did you, I think, no personal[br]injury, Mr. Cohn. - No, sir. 1:17:15.984,1:17:18.572 - I meant to do you[br]no personal injury. - No. 1:17:18.739,1:17:21.828 And if I did, I beg your pardon. 1:17:22.288,1:17:27.756 Let us not assassinate this lad[br]further, Senator. You've done enough. 1:17:28.090,1:17:31.597 - Let's... let's...[br]- Have you no sense of decency, sir? 1:17:31.805,1:17:36.982 At long last, have you left[br]no sense of decency? 1:17:37.399,1:17:41.365 - I know this hurts you, Mr. Welch.[br]- Senator, I think it hurts you, too. 1:17:41.449,1:17:44.955 - I'd like to finish this.[br]- Have you some private reservation... 1:17:45.080,1:17:48.796 ...when you take the oath[br]that you will tell the whole truth... 1:17:49.213,1:17:52.344 ...that lets you be the judge[br]of what you will testify to? 1:17:52.553,1:17:56.143 The answer is there's no reservation[br]about telling the whole truth. 1:17:56.268,1:18:01.695 Thank you, sir. Then tell us[br]who delivered the documents to you! 1:18:01.778,1:18:04.742 I don't want to mean that[br]this new fashion is not chic. 1:18:04.867,1:18:08.666 - I think it's just no good for me.[br]- Uh, not for you. 1:18:08.958,1:18:11.630 Milko, anything you care to say[br]on that subject? 1:18:11.755,1:18:13.133 I think no comment. 1:18:16.807,1:18:20.063 It's got to be there. If you can't[br]find it, I cant write about it. 1:18:20.188,1:18:22.651 - Check again.[br]- Charlie said he dropped it off. 1:18:22.776,1:18:25.865 - Charlie said he dropped...[br]- Shirley, can I see you a minute? 1:18:26.116,1:18:27.702 - I got to call you back.[br]- Joe! 1:18:27.827,1:18:28.787 You, too. 1:18:39.057,1:18:40.142 Close the door. 1:18:43.482,1:18:44.525 Have a seat. 1:18:48.199,1:18:51.288 - How are you?[br]- Fine, thank you. - Swell. Yeah. 1:18:51.997,1:18:55.003 Uh, you both are aware[br]that there's a policy at CBS... 1:18:55.128,1:18:57.257 ...that no two employees[br]can be married. 1:19:00.138,1:19:03.519 I want to ask you a question,[br]but I don't want you to answer it. 1:19:03.561,1:19:05.272 I want you to consider it. 1:19:06.566,1:19:08.153 I know you two are married. 1:19:10.282,1:19:11.367 Everyone knows. 1:19:12.578,1:19:13.788 That's not my question. 1:19:14.206,1:19:17.295 In the next few weeks[br]I have to lay off a couple of people. 1:19:17.378,1:19:20.134 We're making some significant cuts[br]across the board. 1:19:21.469,1:19:23.139 I wanted you to know that... 1:19:23.348,1:19:26.228 ...because you could save[br]someone else being fired. 1:19:28.524,1:19:32.323 I'm asking you to consider[br]makng this decision a little easier. 1:19:34.661,1:19:36.331 I don't need an answer now. 1:19:37.875,1:19:39.962 Just think about it. 1:19:41.549,1:19:42.592 Good. 1:19:54.573,1:19:55.784 - Well, Joe...[br]- Well? 1:19:56.118,1:19:59.416 - Sure we'regonna miss you[br]around here. - I'll pack my things. 1:20:02.672,1:20:05.385 - I think it's for the best.[br]- We'll find out! 1:20:08.015,1:20:09.267 Mrs. Wershba... 1:20:12.190,1:20:13.358 Everybody knew. 1:20:22.417,1:20:24.379 Natalie, did he say[br]what it was about? 1:20:24.421,1:20:27.343 No. Just that he wanted to talk[br]to you in his office. 1:20:42.997,1:20:44.083 Uh-oh! 1:20:47.589,1:20:50.971 The problem isn't simply[br]that you've lost your sponsor. 1:20:51.388,1:20:53.684 With Alcoa, "See It Now"[br]still loses money. 1:20:53.851,1:20:55.229 The fee is 50,000 dollars. 1:20:55.354,1:20:57.817 Last week's episode we did[br]for less than 50,000 dollars. 1:20:57.984,1:20:59.820 Fred, you're speakng[br]beyond your competence. 1:20:59.987,1:21:02.409 We'll certainly find another sponsor. 1:21:02.534,1:21:06.207 "64,000 Dollar Question" brings in[br]over 90,000 in sponsors... 1:21:06.291,1:21:08.420 ...and it costs one-third[br]of what youdo. 1:21:08.545,1:21:11.509 Ed, I've got Tuesday night[br]programming that's number one. 1:21:11.634,1:21:15.099 People want to enjoy themselves.[br]They don't want a civics lesson. 1:21:15.183,1:21:18.063 - What do you want, Bill?[br]- I don't want to get a stomachache... 1:21:18.188,1:21:20.651 ...every time you take on[br]a controversial subject. 1:21:22.363,1:21:25.452 I'm afraid that's the price[br]you have to be willing to pay. 1:21:26.913,1:21:29.835 Let's walk very carefully[br]through these next few moments. 1:21:30.002,1:21:32.298 The content of what we're doing[br]is more important... 1:21:32.465,1:21:35.805 ...than what some guy in Cincinnati...[br]- It's what you'redoing, Ed. Not me. 1:21:35.972,1:21:37.057 Not Frank Stanton. You. 1:21:37.349,1:21:41.440 "CBS News", "See It Now"[br]all belong to you, Bill. 1:21:41.482,1:21:42.609 You wouldn't know it. 1:21:44.404,1:21:49.163 - What is it you want? Credit?[br]- I never censored a single program. 1:21:50.123,1:21:54.548 I hold on to affiliates[br]who wanted entertainment from us. 1:21:54.966,1:21:56.761 I fight to keep the license... 1:21:56.844,1:22:00.184 ...with the very same politicians[br]that you are bringing down... 1:22:00.309,1:22:05.277 ...and I never,[br]never said no to you. Never. 1:22:06.654,1:22:09.827 I would argue that we have done[br]very well by one another. 1:22:10.912,1:22:12.791 I would argue that this network... 1:22:14.126,1:22:17.174 ...is defined by what the news[br]department has accomplished. 1:22:17.299,1:22:21.223 And I would also argue that never saying[br]no is not the same as not censoring. 1:22:21.348,1:22:24.521 Really? You should teach journalism.[br]You and Mr. Friendly. 1:22:30.991,1:22:32.202 Let me ask you this: 1:22:33.997,1:22:35.709 ...why didn't you correct McCarthy... 1:22:35.876,1:22:38.839 ...when he said that Alger Hiss[br]was convicted of treason? 1:22:39.132,1:22:42.722 He was only convicted of perjury.[br]You corrected everything else. 1:22:43.431,1:22:46.604 Did you not want the appearance[br]of defending a known Communist? 1:22:46.771,1:22:49.526 I would argue that everyone censors,[br]including you. 1:22:53.534,1:22:55.287 What do you want to do, Bill? 1:22:59.295,1:23:02.217 I'm takng your program[br]from a half an hour to an hour. 1:23:02.384,1:23:05.765 And it wont be a weekly program[br]and it won't be Tuesday nights. 1:23:06.475,1:23:08.812 - When would it be?[br]- Sunday afternoons. 1:23:12.319,1:23:14.615 - How many episodes?[br]- 5. 1:23:17.370,1:23:19.249 Why don't you just fire me, Bill? 1:23:19.499,1:23:21.837 I don't think[br]it's what either of us wants. 1:23:26.262,1:23:27.639 You owe me 5 shows. 1:23:37.658,1:23:40.246 - You won't like the subject matter.[br]- Probably not. 1:23:40.413,1:23:42.626 Fred, I'll need you for a moment. 1:23:57.362,1:23:59.658 - Thank you, Mary.[br]- Goodbye, Mr. Friendly. 1:24:05.961,1:24:09.176 - He wants me to lay a few people off.[br]- I'm sure he does. 1:24:09.343,1:24:12.390 Let's do our first show[br]about the downfall of television. 1:24:15.604,1:24:18.986 - Senate's gonna vote to censure[br]McCarthy tomorrow. - Probably. 1:24:19.111,1:24:22.242 - And then what happens?[br]- He sits in the back row. - Right. 1:24:22.659,1:24:26.792 - They keep him in the Senate.[br]They don't kick him out. - No, he stays. 1:24:37.479,1:24:39.649 Well, we might as well[br]go down swinging. 1:24:43.699,1:24:46.537 Did you know the most trusted man[br]in America is Milton Berle? 1:24:46.704,1:24:48.583 See, you should have worn a dress! 1:24:50.378,1:24:52.966 - Howd does a Scotch sound?[br]- Scotch sounds good. 1:24:54.051,1:24:56.514 - Did you know Joe and Shirley[br]were married? - Sure. 1:24:56.640,1:24:58.643 - Did everyone know?[br]- Pretty much. 1:24:58.810,1:25:01.524 We are proud because[br]from the beginning of this nation... 1:25:02.025,1:25:03.402 ...man can walk upright. 1:25:06.157,1:25:08.453 No matter who he is[br]or who she is. 1:25:09.330,1:25:13.212 He can walk upright[br]and meet his friend or his enemy. 1:25:14.131,1:25:17.178 And he does not fear[br]that because that enemy... 1:25:18.222,1:25:20.267 ...may be in a position[br]of great power... 1:25:21.353,1:25:26.070 ...that he can be suddenly[br]thrown in jail... 1:25:27.614,1:25:31.121 ...to rott here without charges[br]and with no recourse to justice. 1:25:33.166,1:25:36.214 We have the Habeas Corpus Act[br]and we respect it. 1:25:37.090,1:25:40.221 I began by saying that our history[br]will be what we makeit. 1:25:41.098,1:25:42.517 If we go on as we are... 1:25:42.935,1:25:46.441 ...then history will take its revenge,[br]and retribution will not limp... 1:25:46.483,1:25:47.986 ...in catching up with us. 1:25:49.489,1:25:53.454 Just once in a while, let us exalt the[br]importance of ideas and information. 1:25:54.832,1:25:58.297 Let us dream to the extent of saying[br]that on a given Sunday night... 1:25:58.422,1:26:00.593 ...the time normally[br]occupied by Ed Sullivan... 1:26:00.718,1:26:04.559 ...is given over to a clinical survey[br]on the state of American education. 1:26:04.684,1:26:08.023 And a week or two later, the time[br]normally used by Steve Allen... 1:26:08.107,1:26:12.365 ...is devoted to a thorough-going study[br]of American policy in the Middle East. 1:26:13.408,1:26:16.915 Would the corporate image of their[br]respective sponsors be damaged? 1:26:17.207,1:26:20.338 Would the shareholders rise up[br]in their wrath and complain? 1:26:21.257,1:26:22.175 Would anything happen... 1:26:22.300,1:26:26.015 ...other than a few million people would[br]have received a little illumination... 1:26:26.141,1:26:29.397 ...on subjects that may well determine[br]the future of this country... 1:26:29.522,1:26:31.985 ...and therefore the future[br]of the corporations? 1:26:32.778,1:26:36.201 To those who say, "People wouldn't[br]look, they wouldn't be interested..." 1:26:36.285,1:26:39.207 "...they're tooc omplacent,[br]indifferent and insulated"... 1:26:39.457,1:26:43.298 ...I can only reply: There is,[br]in one reporter's opinion... 1:26:43.799,1:26:46.387 ...considerable evidence[br]against that contention. 1:26:47.472,1:26:50.520 But even if they are right,[br]what have they got to lose? 1:26:50.770,1:26:52.357 Because if they are right... 1:26:52.440,1:26:54.444 ...and this instrument[br]is good for nothing... 1:26:54.527,1:26:57.032 ...but to entertain,[br]amuse and insulate... 1:26:57.825,1:26:59.578 ...then the tube is flickering now... 1:26:59.704,1:27:02.793 ...and we will soon see[br]that the whole struggle is lost. 1:27:03.795,1:27:05.256 This instrument can teach. 1:27:05.673,1:27:08.261 It can illuminate[br]and it can even inspire. 1:27:08.887,1:27:13.020 But it can do so only to the extent[br]that humans are determined to use it... 1:27:13.020,1:27:14.523 ...towards those ends. 1:27:15.942,1:27:18.489 Otherwise,[br]it is merely wiresand lights... 1:27:19.282,1:27:20.367 ...in a box. 1:27:23.456,1:27:25.919 Good night, and good luck.