1 00:02:34,623 --> 00:02:38,464 In 1935, Ed Murrow began his career with CBS. 2 00:02:39,257 --> 00:02:40,927 When World War Two broke out... 3 00:02:41,052 --> 00:02:43,849 ...his voice brought the battle of Britain home to us... 4 00:02:43,932 --> 00:02:46,312 ...through his "This Is London" radio series. 5 00:02:47,230 --> 00:02:48,733 He started with us all... 6 00:02:48,900 --> 00:02:52,281 ...many of us here tonight, when television was in its infancy... 7 00:02:52,407 --> 00:02:54,870 ...with the news documentary show, "See It Now'. 8 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:56,748 He threw stones at giants. 9 00:02:57,917 --> 00:03:01,131 Segregation, exploitation of migrant workers... 10 00:03:01,424 --> 00:03:03,427 ...apartheid, J. Edgar Hoover... 11 00:03:04,346 --> 00:03:08,478 ...not the least of which, his historical fight with Senator McCarthy. 12 00:03:09,564 --> 00:03:13,237 He is the host of our enormously popular show "Person to Person"... 13 00:03:13,905 --> 00:03:16,744 ...and tonight he is here with his son, Casey... 14 00:03:17,203 --> 00:03:20,501 ...wife, Janet, and all of you who he's worked with... 15 00:03:20,877 --> 00:03:23,966 ...inspired, lectured, and taught. 16 00:03:25,051 --> 00:03:26,429 Ladies and gentlemen... 17 00:03:26,554 --> 00:03:30,561 ...the Radio-Television News Directors' Association and Foundation welcomes... 18 00:03:30,728 --> 00:03:32,899 ...Mr. Edward R. Murrow. 19 00:03:53,688 --> 00:03:55,734 This might just do nobody any good. 20 00:03:56,652 --> 00:04:00,409 At the end of this discourse a few people may accuse this reporter... 21 00:04:00,534 --> 00:04:02,705 ...of fouling his own comfortable nest... 22 00:04:03,206 --> 00:04:06,671 ...and your organization may be accused of having given hospitality... 23 00:04:06,754 --> 00:04:09,176 ...to heretical and even dangerous ideas. 24 00:04:10,219 --> 00:04:12,432 But the elaborate structure of networks... 25 00:04:12,557 --> 00:04:16,356 ...advertising agencies, and sponsors will not be shaken or altered. 26 00:04:17,274 --> 00:04:20,655 It is my desire, if not my duty, to try to talk to you journeymen... 27 00:04:20,781 --> 00:04:24,287 ...with some candor about what is happening to radio andtelevision. 28 00:04:24,371 --> 00:04:26,333 And if what I say is responsible... 29 00:04:26,792 --> 00:04:29,338 ...I alone am responsible for the saying ofit. 30 00:04:30,632 --> 00:04:32,720 Our history will be what we make of it. 31 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:37,186 And if there are any historians about 50 or 100 years from now... 32 00:04:37,312 --> 00:04:38,898 ...and there should be preserved... 33 00:04:39,023 --> 00:04:41,778 ...the kinescopes of one week of all three networks... 34 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,911 ...they will there find recorded in black and white, and in color... 35 00:04:46,537 --> 00:04:48,541 ...evidence of decadence, escapism... 36 00:04:48,708 --> 00:04:52,215 ...and insulation from the realities of the world in which we live. 37 00:04:52,799 --> 00:04:56,556 We are currently wealthy, fat, comfortable, and complacent. 38 00:04:57,433 --> 00:05:01,106 We have a built-in allergy to unpleasant or disturbing information. 39 00:05:01,357 --> 00:05:03,527 Our mass media reflect this. 40 00:05:04,613 --> 00:05:06,909 But unless we get up off our fat surpluses... 41 00:05:07,076 --> 00:05:09,497 ...and recognize that television in the main... 42 00:05:09,580 --> 00:05:13,713 ...is being used to distract, delude, amuse, and insulate us... 43 00:05:14,256 --> 00:05:16,594 ...then television and those who finance it... 44 00:05:16,719 --> 00:05:19,516 ...those who look at it and those who work at it... 45 00:05:19,933 --> 00:05:22,521 ...may see atotally different picture too late. 46 00:06:09,484 --> 00:06:12,657 Millie! Just the person I wanted to see! Come here! 47 00:06:22,467 --> 00:06:24,596 This goes at the top of the Roy Campanella piece. 48 00:06:24,763 --> 00:06:25,807 Yes! Give me a half an hour. 49 00:06:25,974 --> 00:06:27,769 I may need it a little quicker than that! 50 00:06:27,852 --> 00:06:30,900 - Can I get some coffee first? - Come on! Get me some coffee! 51 00:06:33,029 --> 00:06:34,197 Morning, Johnny! 52 00:06:34,281 --> 00:06:37,412 I have some new notes that go with the Tito footage for Fred. 53 00:06:37,579 --> 00:06:38,789 Fred's gonna be in in an hour. 54 00:06:38,873 --> 00:06:42,046 I already put them on his desk. Can you just make sure that... 55 00:06:42,171 --> 00:06:44,926 ...he doesn't look at the film until he reads the notes? 56 00:06:45,009 --> 00:06:46,345 - Yes. - Thank you. 57 00:06:46,763 --> 00:06:47,723 Hey, Joe! Shirley! 58 00:06:49,309 --> 00:06:51,689 - What's going on in here? - What do you mean? 59 00:06:51,814 --> 00:06:53,692 Two attractive people alone in the copy room! 60 00:06:53,818 --> 00:06:55,070 Don't tell Paley, he'll fire me. 61 00:06:55,195 --> 00:06:56,614 He'll fire both of us, Shirley. 62 00:06:56,740 --> 00:06:59,411 - Rules are made to be broken! - You can afford to say that. 63 00:07:04,129 --> 00:07:05,339 Let me see this. 64 00:07:09,013 --> 00:07:12,561 - It's simply a loyalty oath. - To CBS? - And to America. 65 00:07:12,853 --> 00:07:14,356 You promise to be a loyal American? 66 00:07:14,523 --> 00:07:16,652 I know. All of the reporters have signed this. 67 00:07:16,736 --> 00:07:18,405 Who are you promising this to? CBS? 68 00:07:18,531 --> 00:07:20,493 Fred signed it. Murrow signed it. 69 00:07:20,618 --> 00:07:21,995 - Murrow signed it? - Yeah. 70 00:07:23,456 --> 00:07:25,210 Are you now or have you ever been... 71 00:07:25,293 --> 00:07:27,547 I thought it was a joke, but there's a lot of pressure. 72 00:07:27,673 --> 00:07:30,136 ...on the Attorney General's list of subversive groups? 73 00:07:30,219 --> 00:07:32,432 - I don't know. - Let's think about it. 74 00:07:32,599 --> 00:07:36,105 What is it really saying? Is it a civil liberties issue or censorship? 75 00:07:36,189 --> 00:07:38,568 Am I simply stating to CBS that I'm not a Communist? 76 00:07:38,693 --> 00:07:40,906 - Murrow signed this? - And Fred and Stanton. 77 00:07:41,031 --> 00:07:44,120 - Maybe you should talk toMurrow. - Maybe I should sign it. 78 00:07:45,331 --> 00:07:48,128 If you don't sign this, are you and I a target? 79 00:07:50,507 --> 00:07:52,386 If I don'tsign it, they'll fire me. 80 00:07:58,940 --> 00:07:59,900 Sign it. 81 00:08:00,317 --> 00:08:02,488 Finally we can tell everyone the truth. 82 00:08:03,824 --> 00:08:07,205 If I could express it in what's in my heart now... 83 00:08:07,581 --> 00:08:11,964 ...I'd do it in the terms of the poet who once said... 84 00:08:12,507 --> 00:08:15,930 ..."Ah, 'tis but a dainty flower I bring to you." 85 00:08:16,932 --> 00:08:18,894 'Yes, 'tis but a violet..." 86 00:08:19,937 --> 00:08:21,357 "...glistening with dew." 87 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,949 "But still in its heart there lie beauties concealed." 88 00:08:27,034 --> 00:08:28,704 "So in our heart..." 89 00:08:30,123 --> 00:08:31,626 "...our love for you..." 90 00:08:32,711 --> 00:08:35,258 "...lies unrevealed." 91 00:08:37,762 --> 00:08:38,848 I used to... 92 00:08:45,068 --> 00:08:50,119 ...pride myself on the idea that I was a bit... tough... 93 00:08:51,872 --> 00:08:58,092 ...especially over the past 19-19 months, when we've been... 94 00:08:58,718 --> 00:09:01,766 ...kicked around, and bullwhipped, and damned. 95 00:09:03,018 --> 00:09:04,396 I didnt think that... 96 00:09:06,692 --> 00:09:09,697 ...I could be... touched very deeply. 97 00:09:09,906 --> 00:09:12,160 Okay, that's enough. That's enough, Leo. 98 00:09:12,244 --> 00:09:14,248 - It's short. - Howlong is the piece? 99 00:09:14,331 --> 00:09:16,043 It's 4 minutes, but we can cut it down. 100 00:09:16,168 --> 00:09:18,923 It cant stand alone, but it might be a nice companion piece. 101 00:09:19,090 --> 00:09:21,386 Let's go through this one more time. Palmer! 102 00:09:21,553 --> 00:09:24,767 Yep, got a call from the office of Senator Morse this morning... 103 00:09:24,934 --> 00:09:28,023 ...interested in setting up a debate possibly with Senator Kerr... 104 00:09:28,149 --> 00:09:30,570 ...over the comments Bentsen made on last night's show. 105 00:09:30,737 --> 00:09:33,909 Secretary of Agriculture? Good idea! Can they do it by this week? 106 00:09:33,993 --> 00:09:36,581 No, it would have to be 2 weeks at the earliest... 107 00:09:36,706 --> 00:09:39,962 ...depending on Morse's schedule. But still it's a great idea. 108 00:09:40,088 --> 00:09:43,427 Let's follow up on that. "Hoover speaks on Benjamin Franklin." 109 00:09:43,552 --> 00:09:46,642 We're having better luck with Mr. Benjamin Frankin... 110 00:09:46,725 --> 00:09:47,894 ...than with Mr. Hoover. 111 00:09:48,061 --> 00:09:50,482 It may progress better as a "Person to Person". 112 00:09:50,607 --> 00:09:53,070 "At home with Ben Frankin. His electricity awards." 113 00:09:53,154 --> 00:09:55,074 We've got the footage, we need to contact him. 114 00:09:55,116 --> 00:09:58,873 See if you can contact him and get the shot. He wants to do the story. Joe! 115 00:09:58,915 --> 00:10:00,626 Member Delbert Clark? No longer with us. 116 00:10:00,751 --> 00:10:03,340 - New York Times? - Yeah. - Our friend at the Times. 117 00:10:03,381 --> 00:10:06,095 This was yesterday morning, they're saying it's... 118 00:10:06,387 --> 00:10:09,852 - How old was he? - 53. Sudden illness. 119 00:10:09,977 --> 00:10:12,732 - Home of a friend. - No, it's not a nobit piece. 120 00:10:12,857 --> 00:10:15,320 Natalie send some flowers over there from us. 121 00:10:15,821 --> 00:10:18,201 Couple things. Case before the Supreme Court... 122 00:10:18,284 --> 00:10:22,167 ...involving the constitutionality of a section of the Internal Security Act... 123 00:10:22,208 --> 00:10:24,212 ...provides for the deportation of any alien... 124 00:10:24,337 --> 00:10:26,967 ...if he becomes a Communist after entering this country. 125 00:10:27,593 --> 00:10:28,637 Can you take this? 126 00:10:28,804 --> 00:10:31,309 All right. McCarthy interrupting his wedding trip... 127 00:10:31,434 --> 00:10:34,899 ...to take charge of the investigation of Communist infiltration... 128 00:10:34,982 --> 00:10:37,403 - Natalie, send some flowers. - Poor Mrs. McCarthy! 129 00:10:37,487 --> 00:10:39,658 May I finish? It's national security! 130 00:10:39,699 --> 00:10:42,455 - A real ladies' man! - Well, they're in love. 131 00:10:43,039 --> 00:10:47,339 We have no show for Tuesday, fellows. So get out there and make some news. 132 00:10:48,257 --> 00:10:51,597 Rob a bank. Mug an old lady. Do something. 133 00:10:52,390 --> 00:10:55,020 - You look at the Secretary Stevens footage? - We will. 134 00:10:55,145 --> 00:10:57,608 Watch it all the way to the end, it's worth it. 135 00:10:59,236 --> 00:11:00,405 Thank you, John. 136 00:11:01,407 --> 00:11:02,701 There's notmuch there. 137 00:11:02,826 --> 00:11:06,333 I can't tie it to the Eisenhower in the back of the train piece. 138 00:11:06,667 --> 00:11:09,965 - You ever spend any time in Detroit, Fred? - Not recently. 139 00:11:11,384 --> 00:11:14,598 There's a story here in the Detroit News, Dexter, Michigan. 140 00:11:15,391 --> 00:11:17,395 A kid named Milo Radulovich. 141 00:11:19,065 --> 00:11:22,780 - Italian? - Irish. Air Force kicked him out because his dad... 142 00:11:22,905 --> 00:11:27,497 ...reads ome Serbian newspaper. - Was he a Communist? - I don't know. 143 00:11:27,623 --> 00:11:29,418 - Who brought the charges? - Air Force. 144 00:11:30,253 --> 00:11:32,841 Charges were in a sealed envelope, nobody saw them. 145 00:11:33,008 --> 00:11:36,222 - Not even at the hearing? - He was declared guilty without a trial... 146 00:11:36,347 --> 00:11:38,059 ...and told if he wanted to keep his job... 147 00:11:38,184 --> 00:11:41,440 ...he had to denounce his father and his sister. Thank you, Natalie. 148 00:11:41,565 --> 00:11:44,028 - His sister? - He told them to take a hike. 149 00:11:45,740 --> 00:11:49,288 Let's send Joe and Charlie down there, see if he's any good on camera. 150 00:11:49,497 --> 00:11:51,709 Is he being brought before the Committee? 151 00:11:52,461 --> 00:11:53,379 No. 152 00:11:54,590 --> 00:11:55,967 Then it's not McCarthy. 153 00:11:57,637 --> 00:11:58,597 Isn't it? 154 00:12:04,692 --> 00:12:06,195 Milo Radulovich. 155 00:12:10,536 --> 00:12:11,914 What happens to your children... 156 00:12:12,039 --> 00:12:14,836 ...your 5-year-old and your 5-month-old in terms of you? 157 00:12:14,961 --> 00:12:17,925 If I am being judged on my relatives... 158 00:12:18,969 --> 00:12:24,020 ...are my children going to be asked to denounce me? 159 00:12:24,145 --> 00:12:28,153 Are they going to be judged on what their father was labeled? 160 00:12:28,904 --> 00:12:33,830 Are they going to have to explain to their friends, etc... 161 00:12:33,955 --> 00:12:36,251 ...why their father is a security risk? 162 00:12:37,295 --> 00:12:41,929 If the thing is let stand as it, the first recommendation... 163 00:12:42,221 --> 00:12:46,395 ...was sent out by the board, I see a chain reaction that... 164 00:12:47,188 --> 00:12:49,484 ...has no end to anybody, for anybody. 165 00:12:56,164 --> 00:12:57,541 Well, that's new. 166 00:12:58,752 --> 00:13:00,338 You can't call this a neutral piece. 167 00:13:00,463 --> 00:13:03,719 The other side's been represented rather well for the last 2 years. 168 00:13:03,845 --> 00:13:05,389 The Air Force hasn't gone on the record. 169 00:13:05,515 --> 00:13:08,562 So you want to forego the standards you've stuck to for 15 years... 170 00:13:08,645 --> 00:13:09,856 ...both sides, no commentary. 171 00:13:09,981 --> 00:13:12,903 - We all editorialize. - I'm just making sure we identify what... 172 00:13:13,029 --> 00:13:14,615 We're giving them the information up front... 173 00:13:14,740 --> 00:13:16,285 ...and we're asking them to comment on it. 174 00:13:16,410 --> 00:13:17,495 Frank, hold on. 175 00:13:18,247 --> 00:13:19,917 I've searched my conscience. 176 00:13:20,083 --> 00:13:23,256 I can't for the life of me find any justification for this. 177 00:13:23,340 --> 00:13:26,220 I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story... 178 00:13:26,345 --> 00:13:28,349 ...two equal and logical sides to an argument. 179 00:13:28,516 --> 00:13:31,396 - Call it editorializing, if you'd like. - It is editorializing. 180 00:13:31,522 --> 00:13:33,233 They'll have equal time to defend themselves. 181 00:13:33,275 --> 00:13:35,404 Do you understand the position you're putting us in? 182 00:13:35,446 --> 00:13:38,451 We are all in this together, if the Senate wants to investigate... 183 00:13:38,576 --> 00:13:39,537 Do me a favor... 184 00:13:39,662 --> 00:13:42,918 ...avoid any big speeches about how we're all in a big boat together! 185 00:13:43,043 --> 00:13:44,296 Please, don't insult me. 186 00:13:44,796 --> 00:13:48,887 I have to go back to Mr. Paley and Alcoa, who sponsors your show... 187 00:13:49,472 --> 00:13:51,768 ...and also have some military contracts... 188 00:13:51,851 --> 00:13:55,024 ...and I have to tell them that they're going to be in a tough bind... 189 00:13:55,149 --> 00:13:57,153 ...because of a beef you had with Joe McCarthy. 190 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,367 - We're not going at McCarthy. - You're starting the goddamn fire. 191 00:14:00,493 --> 00:14:03,790 Excuse me. Mr. Friendly, there's a Colonel Anderson to see you? 192 00:14:03,999 --> 00:14:07,422 - Colonel? - He's in your office. There are two of them. 193 00:14:09,259 --> 00:14:12,473 Maybe they liked the transcript, and want to compliment us on it. 194 00:14:13,100 --> 00:14:14,143 Excuse me. 195 00:14:22,283 --> 00:14:25,039 Go after Joe Kennedy. We'll pay for it. 196 00:14:25,540 --> 00:14:27,627 I've got a great story about Hoover. 197 00:14:31,634 --> 00:14:34,097 You know how many shows you're going to have to do... 198 00:14:34,181 --> 00:14:37,186 ...to make up for this? - And Judy and her daughter Liza next week. 199 00:14:37,312 --> 00:14:39,399 No, no. You're interviewing Rin Tin Tin! 200 00:14:44,492 --> 00:14:45,995 I'll talk to Mr. Paley. 201 00:14:48,625 --> 00:14:50,461 Alcoa wont pay for the ads. 202 00:14:51,505 --> 00:14:55,053 And we probably wont either. But nobody'll stop you. 203 00:14:55,220 --> 00:14:56,347 How much are the ads? 204 00:14:58,643 --> 00:15:01,816 - 3,000. - I'll split it with Fred. 205 00:15:03,444 --> 00:15:06,700 He just won't have Christmas presents for his kids this year. 206 00:15:07,118 --> 00:15:10,248 - He's a Jew. - Don't tell him that, he loves Christmas. 207 00:15:19,432 --> 00:15:22,354 - To be clear, you did speak with the lawyers? - Yes, we did. 208 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,736 And we read the transcript. We've not been allowed to see the footage. 209 00:15:25,861 --> 00:15:28,908 Mack is on a plane from Dexter right now with the last interviews. 210 00:15:29,034 --> 00:15:30,745 We'll be going right down to the wire. 211 00:15:30,912 --> 00:15:35,504 Your show airs tomorrow. How can we possibly approve and check... 212 00:15:35,671 --> 00:15:39,345 ...your story in the limited amount of time you have given us? 213 00:15:39,470 --> 00:15:43,143 With all due respect, you have been invited to participate in this piece... 214 00:15:43,227 --> 00:15:44,563 ...not to approve it. 215 00:15:45,189 --> 00:15:48,236 We are going with the story that says that the U.S. Air Force... 216 00:15:48,362 --> 00:15:50,866 ...tried Milo Radulovich without any evidence... 217 00:15:50,991 --> 00:15:53,580 ...and found him guilty of being a security risk... 218 00:15:53,705 --> 00:15:57,253 ...without his Constitutional rights... - You have not seen the evidence... 219 00:15:57,420 --> 00:15:59,716 ...and are claiming he's not a security risk. 220 00:15:59,841 --> 00:16:03,891 Wouldn't you guess that those who have seen the contents of that envelope... 221 00:16:04,016 --> 00:16:07,982 ...might have a better idea of what makes someone a danger to his country? 222 00:16:08,149 --> 00:16:11,405 - Who? Who? - Or do you think it should just be you that decides? 223 00:16:11,530 --> 00:16:14,118 Who are the people? Are they elected? Are they appointed? 224 00:16:14,243 --> 00:16:16,915 Do they have an axe to grind? Is it you, sir? 225 00:16:17,166 --> 00:16:21,424 Or you, Colonel Jenkns? Do you know the contents of that sealed envelope? 226 00:16:22,384 --> 00:16:27,936 We have been a friend and ally of both Mr. Murrow and CBS News for many years. 227 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,776 The story you are going to run tomorrow is without merit. 228 00:16:32,361 --> 00:16:35,408 So before you take any steps that cannot be undone... 229 00:16:35,867 --> 00:16:38,581 ...I strongly urge you to reconsider your stand. 230 00:16:39,249 --> 00:16:42,630 These are very dangerous waters you are attempting to navigate. 231 00:16:48,766 --> 00:16:54,569 We have had no hearing at all. We have had noday in court. 232 00:16:55,028 --> 00:16:59,119 In all the 32 years that I have been a practicing attorney in Detroit... 233 00:16:59,328 --> 00:17:03,878 ...I have never witnessed such a farce and travesty upon justice... 234 00:17:03,962 --> 00:17:06,007 ...as this thing has developed. 235 00:17:06,258 --> 00:17:09,013 - Now this whole theory... - Eddie, just take the first reel. 236 00:17:09,138 --> 00:17:11,100 Tell John I left 5 seconds extra leader. 237 00:17:11,225 --> 00:17:14,523 5 seconds! I got it! Palmer, where's Joe? Have you seen Joe? 238 00:17:14,690 --> 00:17:15,901 He's on his way to the control room. 239 00:17:16,026 --> 00:17:17,696 We're gonna have to do the voice-over live. 240 00:17:17,863 --> 00:17:19,574 Natalie, I need a booth with a live mic. 241 00:17:19,699 --> 00:17:20,910 Booth is there, it's already set. 242 00:17:21,077 --> 00:17:23,164 We didn't have time to sync the voice-over out. 243 00:17:23,415 --> 00:17:25,043 That's not what I asked for. 244 00:17:26,754 --> 00:17:28,716 It's missing the voice-over on the last piece. 245 00:17:28,842 --> 00:17:30,887 There's a commercial in the booth. What shall I do? 246 00:17:31,012 --> 00:17:33,767 - 2 minutes to air! - There's not supposed to be a commercial! 247 00:17:33,893 --> 00:17:35,145 Get himout of the booth! 248 00:17:38,735 --> 00:17:40,948 2-and-a-half minutes on the end piece. 249 00:17:42,116 --> 00:17:44,788 Keep it down, please. It's a little loud. 250 00:17:44,955 --> 00:17:46,207 2 minutes to air, fellas. 251 00:17:47,585 --> 00:17:50,966 - He's gonna add a joke. - Charlie, loan me your lighter. 252 00:17:52,887 --> 00:17:56,143 Make sure you know that I swap with those two pieces of parents. 253 00:17:56,310 --> 00:17:59,232 - As long as he talks fast because... - He will talk fast. 254 00:18:04,408 --> 00:18:05,494 We got the film. 255 00:18:06,746 --> 00:18:07,957 Will it be ready? 256 00:18:08,541 --> 00:18:09,585 You bet. 257 00:18:15,596 --> 00:18:16,807 Funny thing, Freddy! 258 00:18:17,307 --> 00:18:20,522 Every time you light a cigarette for me, I know you're lying. 259 00:18:35,174 --> 00:18:38,096 It occurs t ome we might not get away with this one. 260 00:18:44,442 --> 00:18:47,489 Alcoa, the aluminum company of America... 261 00:18:47,489 --> 00:18:49,660 - 10 seconds. - You fellas, ready? Okay. 262 00:18:49,952 --> 00:18:51,288 Ready on camera 1. 263 00:18:58,217 --> 00:19:02,517 5, 4,3, 2. 264 00:19:05,398 --> 00:19:06,650 Pan, camera 1. 265 00:19:08,278 --> 00:19:09,238 Good evening. 266 00:19:09,697 --> 00:19:13,329 A few weeks ago there occurred a few obscure notices in the newspapers... 267 00:19:13,413 --> 00:19:15,208 ...about Milo Radulovich... 268 00:19:15,625 --> 00:19:17,796 ...a lieutenant in the Air Force Reserves. 269 00:19:18,172 --> 00:19:21,803 And, also, something about Air Force regulation 35-62... 270 00:19:22,722 --> 00:19:26,228 ...which states that a man may be regarded as a security risk... 271 00:19:26,395 --> 00:19:29,610 ...if he has close and continuing association with Communists... 272 00:19:29,735 --> 00:19:32,365 ...or people believed to have Communist sympathies. 273 00:19:33,283 --> 00:19:36,790 Lieutenant Radulovich was asked to resign in August. He declined. 274 00:19:37,082 --> 00:19:39,253 A board was called and heard his case. 275 00:19:39,420 --> 00:19:43,052 At the end it was recommended that he be severed from the Air Force... 276 00:19:43,135 --> 00:19:46,475 ...although it was also stated that there was no question whatever... 277 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,437 ...as to the Lieutenant's loyalty. 278 00:19:48,604 --> 00:19:50,941 We propose to examine, in so far as we can... 279 00:19:51,067 --> 00:19:53,196 ...the case of Lieutenant Radulovich. 280 00:19:53,488 --> 00:19:56,243 Our reporter, Joe Wershba, cameraman, Charlie Mack. 281 00:19:57,203 --> 00:20:00,125 This is the town of Dexter, Michigan. Population 1500. 282 00:20:00,543 --> 00:20:03,799 This statue is at the end of Ann Arbor Street erected by... 283 00:20:03,924 --> 00:20:05,886 What did the General tell you yesterday? 284 00:20:06,095 --> 00:20:09,309 - A Colonel. There were two of them. - That makes a General. 285 00:20:09,434 --> 00:20:10,770 They weren't too pleased. 286 00:20:11,730 --> 00:20:13,609 You're gonna get audited this year. 287 00:20:14,026 --> 00:20:17,115 Not me, you. I told them I didn't want to do the story. 288 00:20:18,493 --> 00:20:21,081 - You always were yellow. - Better than red. 289 00:20:28,303 --> 00:20:29,347 In 10 seconds. 290 00:20:33,855 --> 00:20:36,443 This is the sister, Margaret Radulovich Fishman. 291 00:20:36,861 --> 00:20:39,950 She neither defends nor explains her political activities. 292 00:20:40,242 --> 00:20:45,001 I feel that my activities, be what they may... 293 00:20:45,126 --> 00:20:48,048 ...or my political beliefs are my own private affair. 294 00:20:48,549 --> 00:20:53,726 Are my children going to be asked to denounce me? 295 00:20:53,851 --> 00:20:57,900 Are they going to be judged on what their father was labeled? 296 00:20:58,443 --> 00:21:03,327 Are they going to have to explain to their friends, etc... 297 00:21:03,494 --> 00:21:05,498 ...why their father is a security risk? 298 00:21:06,416 --> 00:21:11,342 I see, absolutely, that this is a chain reaction. 299 00:21:11,634 --> 00:21:15,976 If the thing is let stand as it, the first recommendation... 300 00:21:16,101 --> 00:21:20,359 ...was sent out by the board I see a chain reaction... 301 00:21:20,484 --> 00:21:23,907 ...that has no end to anybody, for anybody. 302 00:21:24,826 --> 00:21:27,873 Perhaps you will permit me to read a few sentences... 303 00:21:27,998 --> 00:21:31,087 ...because I would like to say rather precisely what I mean. 304 00:21:31,505 --> 00:21:34,177 We have told the Air Force that we will provide facilities... 305 00:21:34,302 --> 00:21:37,391 ...for any comments, criticisms, or corrections it may wish to make... 306 00:21:37,433 --> 00:21:39,520 ...as to the case of Milo Radulovich. 307 00:21:40,856 --> 00:21:44,279 We are unable to judge the charges against his father or sister... 308 00:21:44,404 --> 00:21:47,744 ...because neither we, nor you, nor they, nor the lawyers... 309 00:21:47,785 --> 00:21:51,835 ...nor the Lieutenant, know what was contained in that manila envelope. 310 00:21:52,544 --> 00:21:55,759 Was it hearsay, rumor, gossip, slander... 311 00:21:56,051 --> 00:22:00,017 ...or hard ascertainable facts that could be backed by credible witnesses? 312 00:22:00,392 --> 00:22:01,603 We do not know. 313 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,736 We believe the son shall not bear the iniquity of the father. 314 00:22:05,861 --> 00:22:09,368 Even though that iniquity be proved and in this case it was not. 315 00:22:10,328 --> 00:22:13,709 But we believe too that this case illustrates the urgent need... 316 00:22:13,709 --> 00:22:17,675 ...for the Armed Forces to communicate more fully than they have so far done... 317 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,180 ...the procedures and regulations to be followed... 318 00:22:20,263 --> 00:22:22,684 ...in attempting to protect the national security... 319 00:22:22,851 --> 00:22:25,523 ...and the rights of the individual at the same time. 320 00:22:26,608 --> 00:22:29,322 Whatever happens in this area of the relationship... 321 00:22:29,489 --> 00:22:31,492 ...between the individual and the state... 322 00:22:31,618 --> 00:22:33,162 ...we will do it ourselves... 323 00:22:33,788 --> 00:22:38,213 ...it cannot be blamed on Malenkov or Mao Tse-Tung or even our allies. 324 00:22:38,965 --> 00:22:42,304 And, it seems to us, Fred Friendly and myself... 325 00:22:42,805 --> 00:22:46,312 ...that this is a subject that should be argued about endlessly. 326 00:22:47,982 --> 00:22:49,735 Good night, and good luck. 327 00:22:56,623 --> 00:22:57,792 And we'reout. 328 00:24:33,722 --> 00:24:34,181 May I tell you something about yourself... 329 00:24:34,181 --> 00:24:35,851 May I tellyou something about yourself... 330 00:24:35,976 --> 00:24:38,314 ...as a member of the "Person to Person" audience? 331 00:24:38,439 --> 00:24:40,442 Based on audience research studies... 332 00:24:41,069 --> 00:24:44,617 ...you are well above average in education and intelligence. 333 00:24:45,201 --> 00:24:48,374 Your interests are wide, from world affairs and science... 334 00:24:48,583 --> 00:24:50,378 ...to sports and show business. 335 00:24:50,712 --> 00:24:53,926 And you have one characteristic that's rather encouraging to me... 336 00:24:54,051 --> 00:24:57,934 ...and that's the fact that you are not easily persuaded by advertising. 337 00:24:58,727 --> 00:25:01,482 The makers of Kent considered all these characteristics... 338 00:25:01,607 --> 00:25:03,736 ...when they chose Mr. Murrow'sprogram... 339 00:25:03,861 --> 00:25:05,322 ...to tell you about Kent. 340 00:25:05,698 --> 00:25:10,749 Of all leading filter cigarettes, Kent filter's best. 341 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,131 If you try Kent with that in mind, I think you'll agree... 342 00:25:14,214 --> 00:25:17,387 ...with many other thinking people who havec hanged to Kent. 343 00:25:17,804 --> 00:25:22,688 They find that it makes good sense to smoke Kent and good smoking, too. 344 00:25:23,649 --> 00:25:26,863 - Did you get the changes? - Edward Murrow, "Person to Person"... 345 00:25:27,030 --> 00:25:30,870 ...on the CBS Television Network. - No, no. You there? Okay. We got it. 346 00:25:30,996 --> 00:25:32,498 Now back to Ed Murrow. 347 00:25:33,793 --> 00:25:36,673 Not since the silent movies and the idols they produced... 348 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,513 ...has Hollywood witnessed the sort of pilgrimage that is now going on. 349 00:25:41,014 --> 00:25:44,646 Each day, oblivious to time, weather, and the state of the world... 350 00:25:44,813 --> 00:25:48,654 ...sightseers head in the direction of California's San Fernando Valley. 351 00:25:49,196 --> 00:25:52,327 For there, at the end of the tourist line, is Sherman Oaks... 352 00:25:52,453 --> 00:25:55,834 ...and the home Liberace has built for himself and his mother. 353 00:25:56,001 --> 00:25:59,800 This is the front and nobody knows how many people have seen that view. 354 00:26:00,468 --> 00:26:03,682 This is the back of the house and that's Liberace's bedroom. 355 00:26:04,767 --> 00:26:06,855 - Good evening, Lee. - Good evening, Ed. 356 00:26:07,021 --> 00:26:11,739 - What are you doing? - I'm dictating my weekly syndicated newspaper column... 357 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:18,794 ...and on my trusty tape recorder here, I'm also dictating a book. 358 00:26:18,919 --> 00:26:21,257 - It's an inspirational book. - Lee, what about you? 359 00:26:21,382 --> 00:26:24,346 Have you given much thought to getting married and settling down? 360 00:26:24,346 --> 00:26:26,934 Actually, I've given a lot of thought to it... 361 00:26:27,101 --> 00:26:31,025 ...but I don't believe in getting married just for the sake of getting married. 362 00:26:31,108 --> 00:26:33,780 I want to someday find the perfect mate... 363 00:26:34,156 --> 00:26:38,247 ...and settle down to what I hope will be a marriage that will be blessed... 364 00:26:38,414 --> 00:26:41,002 ...by faith and will be a lasting union. 365 00:26:41,503 --> 00:26:46,220 I was reading about lovely young Princess Margaret... 366 00:26:46,846 --> 00:26:49,476 ...and she's lookng for her dream man, too... 367 00:26:50,061 --> 00:26:52,064 ...and I hope she finds him someday. 368 00:26:53,442 --> 00:26:57,241 Uh-huh. Lee, thanks very much for letting us come and visit you. 369 00:26:57,324 --> 00:26:58,493 It's been very pleasant. 370 00:26:58,618 --> 00:27:00,664 And will you say goodnight to your family for us? 371 00:27:00,789 --> 00:27:02,501 - I certainly will. - Thanks a lot. 372 00:27:02,626 --> 00:27:04,463 - Good night, Ed. - Good night, Lee. 373 00:27:05,965 --> 00:27:08,595 Next week, we'll take you to Beverly Hills, California... 374 00:27:08,721 --> 00:27:11,350 ...to the house of Mickey Rooney and his newbride. 375 00:27:11,517 --> 00:27:14,106 Until then, good night, and good luck. 376 00:27:20,367 --> 00:27:21,954 Good show, Mr. Murrow! 377 00:27:45,206 --> 00:27:46,458 Excuse me, Mr. Murrow. 378 00:27:46,583 --> 00:27:49,171 Could you take a look at this and sign it for me, please? 379 00:27:49,255 --> 00:27:52,427 Thank you. Dr. Stanton would like to have a drink with you. 380 00:27:52,553 --> 00:27:54,556 - When? - Now. He's at the Pentagon Bar. 381 00:27:54,598 --> 00:27:56,811 I can't. What the hell is he doing there? 382 00:27:56,894 --> 00:27:59,775 - I believe he's waiting for you. - Just call him! - Fine. 383 00:27:59,900 --> 00:28:02,571 - Oppenheimer next week. - It's a good show, Ed. 384 00:28:04,367 --> 00:28:05,744 - Hey, Don! - Ed! 385 00:28:06,829 --> 00:28:08,165 You're getting good at this! 386 00:28:08,708 --> 00:28:10,503 They're gonna think you like it! 387 00:28:10,753 --> 00:28:12,966 Pays the bills. How are you, Don? 388 00:28:14,302 --> 00:28:15,304 Ah, it's... 389 00:28:16,807 --> 00:28:17,975 ...day today. 390 00:28:18,769 --> 00:28:21,649 If she saw how good you look right now, she'd be back. 391 00:28:23,235 --> 00:28:25,615 You tell her that if you see her, will you? 392 00:28:27,201 --> 00:28:30,290 - I read the O'Brian piece. - Yeah, it's tough. 393 00:28:31,167 --> 00:28:33,671 I'm a pinko. I slant the news. 394 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,637 I'm just waiting for him to say my wife left me too. 395 00:28:37,929 --> 00:28:40,852 - Nobody worth their salt reads him. - You read him. 396 00:28:41,436 --> 00:28:43,106 Well, see, I rest my case. 397 00:28:44,817 --> 00:28:49,075 - Does Paley read him? - Bill Paley's not gonna do anything. 398 00:28:52,290 --> 00:28:53,292 Thanks, Ed. 399 00:28:54,753 --> 00:28:58,009 I just came by to tell you how great the Lieutenant piece was. 400 00:28:58,134 --> 00:29:01,265 - Thanks. - How's the fallout? - Mostly good, surprisingly. 401 00:29:01,515 --> 00:29:04,271 Is this the start? Are you taking sides? 402 00:29:06,900 --> 00:29:09,906 It's just a little poke with a stick, see what happens. 403 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:11,826 You let me know if I can help. 404 00:29:12,077 --> 00:29:13,496 But you're a pinko. 405 00:29:16,251 --> 00:29:17,462 I'll see you. 406 00:29:33,534 --> 00:29:36,164 Hey, Joe! What's all this Radulovich junk you're putting out? 407 00:29:36,289 --> 00:29:39,211 I can't talk to you now. I have to get this film back to New York. 408 00:29:39,336 --> 00:29:40,589 What would you say if I told you... 409 00:29:40,714 --> 00:29:43,302 ...that Murrow was on the Soviet payroll in 1935? 410 00:29:45,473 --> 00:29:48,562 - Uh! Charlie, you wanna... - Sure. I'll set up outside. 411 00:29:50,691 --> 00:29:52,235 McCarthy going tot he Eisenhower dinner? 412 00:29:52,361 --> 00:29:55,909 - I have no idea. Id on't keep the Senator's calendar for him! - Really? 413 00:30:00,083 --> 00:30:03,757 Have you ever seen any spy films? You don't hand me a classified folder! 414 00:30:03,882 --> 00:30:05,970 You're supposed to slip it into my briefcase! 415 00:30:06,053 --> 00:30:09,226 I didnt know who to give this information to, Paley or Murrow. 416 00:30:09,351 --> 00:30:12,899 As you can imagine, Fred and I aren't very friendly. No pun intended. 417 00:30:13,317 --> 00:30:14,778 No pun elocuted. 418 00:30:18,284 --> 00:30:20,246 - What do you got, Donald? - In short? 419 00:30:20,539 --> 00:30:23,210 Murrows been a Communist sympathizer since the 1930's. 420 00:30:23,335 --> 00:30:26,842 Member of the International Workers, sponsored educational trips to Moscow... 421 00:30:27,009 --> 00:30:29,472 ...and on the Sovietpayroll in 1935. It's all there. 422 00:30:29,597 --> 00:30:31,476 You wanna know why that's not possible? 423 00:30:31,601 --> 00:30:33,104 Why you'll lose this one? 424 00:30:33,563 --> 00:30:35,441 Because everyone in this country... 425 00:30:35,567 --> 00:30:38,656 ...knows that Ed Murrow is a loyal American, he's apatriot. 426 00:30:40,743 --> 00:30:43,415 Did you know the word "gullible" isn't in the dictionary? 427 00:30:43,540 --> 00:30:46,504 - Can I give this to him? - I'd love it! I have copies! 428 00:30:49,676 --> 00:30:51,179 I think you guys go too far. 429 00:30:51,555 --> 00:30:53,851 Well, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck. 430 00:31:00,697 --> 00:31:02,075 Yes, Mr. Paley. 431 00:31:03,118 --> 00:31:04,663 Right away. Yes, sir. 432 00:31:06,374 --> 00:31:07,877 No, he hasn't called. 433 00:31:09,130 --> 00:31:12,970 Yes, sir, the second he calls. If you're in a meeting, shall I? 434 00:31:14,348 --> 00:31:16,185 Yes, sir. Of course, sir. 435 00:31:18,940 --> 00:31:20,025 Mr. Murrow! 436 00:31:20,943 --> 00:31:22,613 Mr. Paley will see you now. 437 00:31:26,496 --> 00:31:30,169 - Mr. Paley, Mr. Murrow is here. - Thanks, Miss Mary. 438 00:31:30,879 --> 00:31:33,550 - Hello, Ed. - Bill... - Sit over here, will you? 439 00:31:34,469 --> 00:31:35,471 How's Janet? 440 00:31:35,972 --> 00:31:38,351 - Your son? - All well, thanks. How's Babe? 441 00:31:38,518 --> 00:31:41,607 She's fine. Her fundraiser got rained on, so... 442 00:31:42,108 --> 00:31:44,989 - Oh! That's why I never plan on anything. - Really? 443 00:31:46,533 --> 00:31:47,744 You'd never know. 444 00:31:51,626 --> 00:31:52,920 Reading fiction? 445 00:31:53,546 --> 00:31:55,425 I hope so. You tell me. 446 00:31:56,928 --> 00:31:58,639 Now we know how they're gonna come at us. 447 00:31:58,764 --> 00:32:01,686 That's just the first shot. Somebody's going to go down. 448 00:32:01,812 --> 00:32:04,400 Have you checked your facts? Are you on safe ground? 449 00:32:06,738 --> 00:32:09,535 - Bill, it's time. Show our cards. - My cards. 450 00:32:10,411 --> 00:32:14,293 You lose, what happens? 5 guys find themselves out of work. 451 00:32:14,711 --> 00:32:18,969 I'm responsible for a lot more than 5 goddamn reporters. Let it go. 452 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,851 McCarthy will self-destruct, Cohn, all of them. 453 00:32:22,976 --> 00:32:25,398 You said Corporate would not interfere with Editorial... 454 00:32:25,481 --> 00:32:26,984 ...and that the News was to be left... 455 00:32:27,109 --> 00:32:28,904 We don't make the news, we report the news. 456 00:32:28,988 --> 00:32:31,701 He's marked as Communists. 457 00:32:31,868 --> 00:32:33,872 If he goes too far, the Senate will investigate him... 458 00:32:33,955 --> 00:32:34,915 ...and we will report on that. 459 00:32:35,041 --> 00:32:38,297 He oversteps people's civil liberties. 460 00:32:38,422 --> 00:32:39,507 And you're trying him in the press? 461 00:32:39,633 --> 00:32:41,511 Does he get the right to face his accuser? 462 00:32:41,678 --> 00:32:44,141 You've decided on this and you're presenting it as fact. 463 00:32:44,266 --> 00:32:46,562 - What I am doing... - I write your check. 464 00:32:46,688 --> 00:32:50,528 I put you in your country house, and I put your son through school! 465 00:32:50,987 --> 00:32:54,536 You should have told me about this before it went so far down the road! 466 00:33:06,057 --> 00:33:09,898 Everyone of your boys needs to be clean. Do you understand? No ties. 467 00:33:10,148 --> 00:33:14,782 If Aaron's mother went to a group fundraiser in 1932, he's out. 468 00:33:14,907 --> 00:33:18,706 Hewitt, too. Anyone in that room. You make no mistake... 469 00:33:18,873 --> 00:33:22,421 ...I will cut them loose. Corporate won't interfere with Editorial. 470 00:33:22,546 --> 00:33:25,928 But Editorial will not jeopardize the hundreds of employees... 471 00:33:26,053 --> 00:33:29,309 ...of the CBS. Do I make myself clear? 472 00:33:30,687 --> 00:33:31,939 Yes? 473 00:33:37,449 --> 00:33:40,705 Fellas, our next show is gonna be about Senator McCarthy. 474 00:33:41,874 --> 00:33:43,586 And we'regonna go right at him. 475 00:33:44,296 --> 00:33:47,051 I don't need to tell you how careful we have to be. 476 00:33:47,134 --> 00:33:50,307 If we are to do this, Ed and I need you to be straight with us. 477 00:33:50,432 --> 00:33:52,603 We need to know, for the good of the piece... 478 00:33:52,728 --> 00:33:56,485 ...if any of you have any connection, if you subscribed to a newsletter... 479 00:33:56,610 --> 00:33:58,531 ...if you attended a party, anything... 480 00:33:58,614 --> 00:34:01,787 ...anything that could compromise this, anything at all... 481 00:34:02,246 --> 00:34:04,542 ...because now would be the time to tell us. 482 00:34:09,969 --> 00:34:12,014 Ed, I think I should excuse myself. 483 00:34:12,974 --> 00:34:14,394 Palmer, you kidding? 484 00:34:15,396 --> 00:34:17,900 My ex was a... I wouldn't say she was a Communist... 485 00:34:18,025 --> 00:34:21,115 ...but she attended meetings. It was before we were married. 486 00:34:21,240 --> 00:34:24,120 I didn't even really know about it until after the divorce. 487 00:34:24,746 --> 00:34:27,669 But it was different then. We were all on the same side. 488 00:34:29,213 --> 00:34:32,135 I'm not telling you anything you don't know. The thing is... 489 00:34:32,260 --> 00:34:33,680 ...somebody'll find out. 490 00:34:35,475 --> 00:34:36,894 They'll hurt us with it. 491 00:34:38,439 --> 00:34:40,902 I should have told you sooner, Ed, I'm sorry. 492 00:34:42,071 --> 00:34:43,156 Fred. 493 00:34:46,370 --> 00:34:49,084 If none of us had ever read a "dangerous" book... 494 00:34:49,251 --> 00:34:51,421 ...or had a friend who was "different"... 495 00:34:51,547 --> 00:34:54,177 ...or never joined an organization that advocated "change"... 496 00:34:54,218 --> 00:34:57,099 ...we'd all be the kindof people Joe McCarthy wants. 497 00:34:59,102 --> 00:35:02,651 We're gonna go with the story, because the terror is in this room. 498 00:35:06,742 --> 00:35:08,913 John! Jesse! Go through the HUAC hearings. 499 00:35:09,038 --> 00:35:13,004 Eddie! Palmer! Look at who did the interviews and any speeches. 500 00:35:14,005 --> 00:35:15,592 Okay, fellas, here we go. 501 00:35:16,260 --> 00:35:18,138 His own words, that's what we need. 502 00:35:18,263 --> 00:35:20,852 ...said that he wouldn't remove a General from the Army... 503 00:35:20,977 --> 00:35:23,899 ...who supported a Communist Major. I said, "Then, General..." 504 00:35:24,024 --> 00:35:26,320 "...you should be removed from any command." 505 00:35:26,821 --> 00:35:30,620 "Any man who says, "I will protect and honor a General'..." 506 00:35:30,912 --> 00:35:35,128 "...'who protects Communists', is not fit to wear that uniform, General." 507 00:35:35,546 --> 00:35:37,090 Ethically, we're fine. 508 00:35:37,341 --> 00:35:40,973 But legally, if we air this, are we leaking closed hearing testimony? 509 00:35:41,098 --> 00:35:43,519 - But he chose to read it. - We're not misquoting him. 510 00:35:43,686 --> 00:35:47,067 - There are other reporters. - If it's a legal issue, it's his. 511 00:35:47,193 --> 00:35:48,445 I'll check with Campbell in Legal. 512 00:35:48,570 --> 00:35:50,574 And wait till you hear the bleeding hearts... 513 00:35:51,158 --> 00:35:53,162 ...scream and cry about our methods... 514 00:35:54,415 --> 00:35:56,418 ...of trying to drag the truth... 515 00:35:58,088 --> 00:36:00,217 ...from those who know or should know... 516 00:36:01,094 --> 00:36:04,058 ...who covered up a Fifth Amendment Communist Major. 517 00:36:04,934 --> 00:36:06,228 But they say, "Oh..." 518 00:36:07,314 --> 00:36:11,238 "...it's all right to uncover them, but don't get rough doing it, McCarthy." 519 00:36:13,283 --> 00:36:17,875 Did a Civil Liberties Union provide you with an attorney at that time? 520 00:36:18,752 --> 00:36:20,463 I had many offers of attorneys... 521 00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:24,554 ...and from the American Civil Liberties Union, too. - The question is: 522 00:36:24,596 --> 00:36:27,602 ...did the Civil Liberties Union supply you with an attorney? 523 00:36:27,685 --> 00:36:30,232 - They did supply an attorney. - The answer is yes? 524 00:36:30,399 --> 00:36:31,359 The answer is yes. 525 00:36:31,484 --> 00:36:33,947 You know the Civil Liberties Union has been listed... 526 00:36:34,072 --> 00:36:37,245 ...as a front for and doing the work of the Communist Party? 527 00:36:37,746 --> 00:36:39,708 Mr. Chairman, this was 1932! 528 00:36:41,127 --> 00:36:42,505 I know this was in 1932. 529 00:36:42,505 --> 00:36:44,675 Do you know that they since have been listed... 530 00:36:44,801 --> 00:36:47,389 ...as a front for and doing the work of the Communist Party? 531 00:36:47,514 --> 00:36:49,727 I do not know that they have been listedso, sir. 532 00:36:49,852 --> 00:36:52,148 - You don't know? - I have heard that mentioned... 533 00:36:52,273 --> 00:36:53,400 All right, Leo. Turn it off. 534 00:36:53,525 --> 00:36:57,324 - I need those three cans of Stevens! - Has anybody read this book yet? 535 00:36:57,491 --> 00:36:59,787 It would be nice if this guy isn't a Commie. 536 00:36:59,871 --> 00:37:02,250 - Did Millie give it to you? - I wanna read the book. 537 00:37:02,375 --> 00:37:03,962 - Nobody else, Joe. - I hear you, boss. 538 00:37:04,087 --> 00:37:06,299 I'll put it on a kinescope, push through the end. 539 00:37:06,425 --> 00:37:07,635 Palmer, cut it at 2:30. 540 00:37:07,802 --> 00:37:10,098 I prefer it one on each end, let it run through. 541 00:37:10,223 --> 00:37:11,977 It'd be more powerful. Cut Kennedy? 542 00:37:12,102 --> 00:37:14,982 Joe, file it for me. I'll see the Mundt piece later. 543 00:37:15,274 --> 00:37:16,569 Are we gonna make it, Fred? 544 00:37:16,944 --> 00:37:19,073 We lost the telecine, but we'll make it. 545 00:37:22,538 --> 00:37:24,375 Did you finish your closing piece? 546 00:37:25,210 --> 00:37:26,420 It's Shakespeare. 547 00:37:28,299 --> 00:37:29,593 Write your closing. 548 00:37:58,188 --> 00:38:01,403 My argument was if you just show the images of McCarthy... 549 00:38:01,570 --> 00:38:03,072 ...it doesn't make any difference. 550 00:38:03,198 --> 00:38:05,368 If you agree with him, you're gonna hate the piece. 551 00:38:05,535 --> 00:38:06,579 If you don't, you'll love it. 552 00:38:06,621 --> 00:38:08,625 Maybe they should wait till they get more footage. 553 00:38:08,750 --> 00:38:10,253 I don't think wec an take that chance. 554 00:38:10,294 --> 00:38:12,924 We've got to hit McCarthy before he comes after Ed. 555 00:38:14,636 --> 00:38:17,975 The blue one. They haven't gone after the AIsops or Herb Block. 556 00:38:18,268 --> 00:38:21,023 Honey, the AIsops and Herb Block... 557 00:38:21,732 --> 00:38:25,322 ...didn't work for the Institute of International Education in 1934. 558 00:38:26,199 --> 00:38:27,493 Then I guess it's time. 559 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:35,842 You worried? 560 00:38:38,639 --> 00:38:40,017 I didn't think I was. 561 00:38:40,726 --> 00:38:43,273 I don't know why. I was in the office on Friday. 562 00:38:43,690 --> 00:38:46,654 And I answered the phone, it was Howard calling from London. 563 00:38:46,779 --> 00:38:49,242 And he asked what was going on with McCarthy. 564 00:38:49,493 --> 00:38:54,711 And before I answered him, I turned and looked over my shoulder... 565 00:38:55,003 --> 00:38:57,800 ...tosee who was listening. - And who was listening? 566 00:38:59,679 --> 00:39:00,889 Chairman Mao... 567 00:39:07,234 --> 00:39:08,654 I'll see you at the office. 568 00:39:09,614 --> 00:39:11,284 - Hey, your ring! - Uh! 569 00:39:14,582 --> 00:39:16,001 Name me another wife... 570 00:39:16,502 --> 00:39:19,215 ...who reminds her husband to take off his wedding ring... 571 00:39:19,340 --> 00:39:22,555 ...before he goes to the office. - Ava Gardner. 572 00:39:29,902 --> 00:39:33,617 Excuse me, Mr. Friendly. Mr. Murrow, Mr. Paley's on the line for you. 573 00:39:35,746 --> 00:39:39,295 - Maybe he wants to reimburse us for those ads. - You'd like that! 574 00:39:39,628 --> 00:39:41,549 - I would like that! - This is Ed. 575 00:39:41,799 --> 00:39:45,264 There's a Knickerbocker game tonight. I've got front row seats. 576 00:39:45,473 --> 00:39:46,767 Are you interested? 577 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,524 I'm busy bringing down the network tonight, Bill. 578 00:39:50,816 --> 00:39:51,818 Is that tonight? 579 00:39:53,571 --> 00:39:54,824 We're covered, Bill. 580 00:39:55,826 --> 00:39:56,786 All right. 581 00:39:58,789 --> 00:40:03,465 - I'm with you today, Ed, and I'm with you tomorrow. - Thanks, Bill. 582 00:40:19,244 --> 00:40:21,540 Do you know the timing on the first piece? 583 00:40:23,001 --> 00:40:24,963 Can we hold all the calls, please? 584 00:40:25,256 --> 00:40:27,426 Hold the calls till after the show. Thank you. 585 00:40:27,886 --> 00:40:29,973 - You fellas, awake down there? - Okay. 586 00:40:30,307 --> 00:40:33,062 - Just... what are we? 20? - 30 seconds, Ed. 587 00:40:49,050 --> 00:40:50,344 10 seconds. 588 00:40:54,686 --> 00:40:59,153 5, 4,3, 2. 589 00:41:00,614 --> 00:41:02,033 And pan, camera one. 590 00:41:05,247 --> 00:41:09,130 Because a report on Senator McCarthy is by definition controversial... 591 00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:11,885 ...we want to say exactly what we mean to say... 592 00:41:12,010 --> 00:41:14,765 ...and request your permission to read from a script... 593 00:41:14,890 --> 00:41:17,353 ...what ever remarks Murrow and Friendly may make. 594 00:41:17,938 --> 00:41:21,653 If the Senator feels that we have done violence to his words or pictures... 595 00:41:21,820 --> 00:41:23,991 ...and desires to answer himself... 596 00:41:24,241 --> 00:41:27,122 ...an opportunity will be afforded him on this program. 597 00:41:27,497 --> 00:41:30,086 Our working thesis tonight is this quotation: 598 00:41:30,837 --> 00:41:32,465 ..."If this fight against Communism..." 599 00:41:32,549 --> 00:41:35,888 "...has made a fight between America's two great political parties..." 600 00:41:36,013 --> 00:41:39,520 "...the American people know that one of these parties will be destroyed..." 601 00:41:39,603 --> 00:41:42,985 "...and the Republic cannot endure very long as a one-party system." 602 00:41:43,444 --> 00:41:45,072 We applaud that statement... 603 00:41:45,197 --> 00:41:47,368 ...and we think Senator McCarthy ought to. 604 00:41:47,660 --> 00:41:49,956 He said it 17 months ago in Milwaukee. 605 00:41:51,042 --> 00:41:54,298 The American people realize that this cannot be made a fight... 606 00:41:54,548 --> 00:41:57,136 ...between America's two great political parties. 607 00:41:57,220 --> 00:41:58,764 If this fight against Communism... 608 00:41:58,890 --> 00:42:02,104 ...is made a fight against America's two great political parties... 609 00:42:02,229 --> 00:42:05,819 ...the American people know that one of those parties will be destroyed... 610 00:42:05,944 --> 00:42:09,326 ...and the Republic can't endure very long as a one-party system. 611 00:42:10,202 --> 00:42:12,791 On one thing the Senator has been consistent. 612 00:42:13,375 --> 00:42:16,673 Often operating as a one-man committee, he has traveled far... 613 00:42:16,756 --> 00:42:18,969 ...interviewed many, terrorized some... 614 00:42:19,553 --> 00:42:21,515 ...accused civilian and military leaders... 615 00:42:21,599 --> 00:42:24,020 ...of the past administration of a great conspiracy... 616 00:42:24,145 --> 00:42:26,107 ...to turn over the country to Communism. 617 00:42:26,191 --> 00:42:30,574 I was extremely shocked when I heard that Secretary Stevens... 618 00:42:31,158 --> 00:42:35,500 ...told 2 Army officers that they had to take part in the cover up... 619 00:42:35,959 --> 00:42:38,547 ...of those who promoted and coddled Communists. 620 00:42:38,839 --> 00:42:41,720 As I read his statement, I... 621 00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,644 ...thought of that quotation, "On what meat..." 622 00:42:46,354 --> 00:42:48,524 "...does this our Caesar feed?". 623 00:42:48,775 --> 00:42:49,735 The questions is: 624 00:42:49,860 --> 00:42:52,824 ...did the Civil Liberties Union supply you with an attorney? 625 00:42:52,949 --> 00:42:55,454 - They did supply an attorney. - The answer is yes? 626 00:42:55,579 --> 00:42:56,581 The answer is yes. 627 00:42:56,665 --> 00:42:59,378 Do you think this book did considerable harm? 628 00:42:59,670 --> 00:43:01,048 Its publication... 629 00:43:02,175 --> 00:43:04,847 ...by an expression of the views contained in it? 630 00:43:05,222 --> 00:43:08,437 The sale of that book was so abysmally small... 631 00:43:09,021 --> 00:43:13,321 ...it was so unsuccessful, that the question of its influence... 632 00:43:13,780 --> 00:43:15,575 You can go back to the publisher... 633 00:43:15,659 --> 00:43:19,332 ...you'll see it was one of the most unsuccessful books he ever put out. 634 00:43:19,457 --> 00:43:21,586 He's still sorry about it, just as I am. 635 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,093 Well, I think that's a compliment to American intelligence. 636 00:43:26,011 --> 00:43:27,097 I'll say that. 637 00:43:27,765 --> 00:43:31,438 The Reed Harris hearing demonstrates one of the Senator's techniques. 638 00:43:31,563 --> 00:43:32,774 Twice he said... 639 00:43:33,108 --> 00:43:36,948 ...'The American Civil Liberties Union was listed as a subversive front." 640 00:43:37,032 --> 00:43:39,996 The Attorney General's list does not and never has listed... 641 00:43:40,121 --> 00:43:43,001 ...the ACLU as subversive, nor does the FBI... 642 00:43:43,085 --> 00:43:45,297 ...or any other federal government agency. 643 00:43:45,673 --> 00:43:48,721 And the American Civil Liberties Union holds in its files... 644 00:43:48,846 --> 00:43:51,434 ...letters of commendation from President Truman... 645 00:43:51,517 --> 00:43:54,106 ...President Eisenhower, and General MacArthur. 646 00:43:55,191 --> 00:43:59,699 Earlier, the Senator asked, "Upon what meat does this our Caesar feed?". 647 00:43:59,950 --> 00:44:02,663 Had he looked three lines earlier in Shakespeare's "Caesar"... 648 00:44:02,830 --> 00:44:06,337 ...he would have found this line, which is not altogether inappropriate. 649 00:44:06,504 --> 00:44:10,678 "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves." 650 00:44:11,388 --> 00:44:13,684 No one familiar with the history of this country... 651 00:44:13,851 --> 00:44:16,481 ...can deny that Congressional committees are useful. 652 00:44:16,606 --> 00:44:19,403 It is necessary to investigate before legislating... 653 00:44:19,528 --> 00:44:23,077 ...but the line between investigating and persecuting is a very fine one... 654 00:44:23,202 --> 00:44:27,126 ...and the junior Senator from Wisconsin has stepped over it repeatedly. 655 00:44:27,293 --> 00:44:29,798 We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. 656 00:44:30,382 --> 00:44:33,471 We must remember always that accusation is not proof... 657 00:44:33,763 --> 00:44:37,479 ...and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. 658 00:44:38,522 --> 00:44:40,776 We will not walk in fear, one of another. 659 00:44:40,860 --> 00:44:43,699 We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason... 660 00:44:43,866 --> 00:44:46,579 ...if we dig deep in our history and doctrine... 661 00:44:46,746 --> 00:44:50,002 ...and remember that we are not descended from fearful men... 662 00:44:50,253 --> 00:44:53,717 ...not from men who feared to write, to associate, to speak... 663 00:44:53,843 --> 00:44:57,182 ...and to defend the causes that were for the moment unpopular. 664 00:44:57,808 --> 00:45:01,190 This is no time for men who oppose Senator McCarthy's methods... 665 00:45:01,357 --> 00:45:03,820 ...to keep silent, or for those who approve. 666 00:45:04,571 --> 00:45:07,118 Wec an deny our heritage and our history... 667 00:45:07,201 --> 00:45:10,040 ...but we cannot escape responsibility for the results. 668 00:45:10,582 --> 00:45:12,837 We proclaim ourselves, indeed as we are... 669 00:45:12,878 --> 00:45:16,844 ...the defenders of freedom wherever it continues to exist in the world... 670 00:45:16,969 --> 00:45:20,476 ...but we cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home. 671 00:45:21,144 --> 00:45:23,398 The actions of the junior Senator from Wisconsin... 672 00:45:23,565 --> 00:45:26,487 ...have caused alarm and dismay amongst our allies abroad... 673 00:45:26,612 --> 00:45:29,201 ...and given considerable comfort to our enemies. 674 00:45:29,827 --> 00:45:32,749 And whose fault is that? Not really his. 675 00:45:33,208 --> 00:45:35,504 He didn't create this situation of fear... 676 00:45:35,796 --> 00:45:38,718 ...he merely exploited it, and rather successfully. 677 00:45:40,388 --> 00:45:41,641 Cassius was right. 678 00:45:42,225 --> 00:45:46,566 "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves." 679 00:45:47,610 --> 00:45:49,614 Good night, and good luck. 680 00:45:57,378 --> 00:45:58,464 And we're out. 681 00:46:12,114 --> 00:46:13,158 Nothing? 682 00:46:16,414 --> 00:46:17,833 Maybe nobody watched. 683 00:46:23,010 --> 00:46:25,306 - We got nothing. - I don't know. - Nothing. 684 00:46:25,890 --> 00:46:28,478 Should I turn the phones back on, Mr. Williams? 685 00:46:29,939 --> 00:46:32,319 Yes. Now would be a good time for that. 686 00:46:33,112 --> 00:46:35,241 Turn the phones on! Turn the pho... 687 00:46:35,992 --> 00:46:37,537 Mr. Friendly wants the phones on. 688 00:46:37,704 --> 00:46:39,416 It's the Junior Senator calling collect. 689 00:46:39,541 --> 00:46:42,755 Don't kid yourself. It's Reed Harris thanking us for mentioning him. 690 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,803 I don't know whether all of you have seen what I just saw... 691 00:46:45,970 --> 00:46:48,683 ...but I want to associate myself and this program... 692 00:46:48,766 --> 00:46:50,311 ...with what Ed Murrow has just said... 693 00:46:50,436 --> 00:46:53,191 ...and say I have never been prouder of CBS. 694 00:46:56,114 --> 00:47:00,121 Senator McCarthy said today that he would demand equal free television... 695 00:47:04,963 --> 00:47:08,929 Stevenson had charged that the Senator made demagoguery and deceit... 696 00:47:09,221 --> 00:47:10,933 ...the national policy... 697 00:47:13,688 --> 00:47:15,692 - Is that Hollenbeck? - Congratulations! 698 00:47:15,859 --> 00:47:16,819 Great show! 699 00:47:17,737 --> 00:47:19,032 Feel like a Scotch? 700 00:47:19,658 --> 00:47:21,661 I think everybody could use a Scotch. 701 00:48:13,342 --> 00:48:16,556 - It's 3:30, early editions are out. - I'm not worried about that. 702 00:48:16,681 --> 00:48:18,351 Of course not. Shirley, honey... 703 00:48:18,476 --> 00:48:21,315 ...would you go across the street and get the early editions? 704 00:48:21,524 --> 00:48:23,402 - All of them? - Just get O'Brian! 705 00:48:26,116 --> 00:48:27,994 - Hey, watch my drink! - Yeah. 706 00:49:00,346 --> 00:49:02,142 Okay. Here we go. 707 00:49:02,768 --> 00:49:05,648 - At last! - The Times. - The Times... 708 00:49:05,815 --> 00:49:06,817 - First? - Good. 709 00:49:07,527 --> 00:49:09,322 - Who wrote it? - Jack Gould. 710 00:49:09,864 --> 00:49:11,200 Gould... 711 00:49:11,785 --> 00:49:15,208 Edward R. Murrows television program on Senator Joseph R. McCarthy... 712 00:49:15,333 --> 00:49:19,132 ...was an exciting and provocative examination of the man and his methods. 713 00:49:19,215 --> 00:49:22,722 It was crusading journalism of high responsibility and courage. 714 00:49:22,847 --> 00:49:25,602 For TV so often plagued by timidity and hesitation... 715 00:49:25,727 --> 00:49:29,443 ...the program was a milestone that reflected enlightened citizenship. 716 00:49:29,610 --> 00:49:30,820 The program... Hold on! 717 00:49:30,946 --> 00:49:33,742 The program was no less an indictment of those who wish... 718 00:49:33,784 --> 00:49:36,915 ...the problems posed by the Senator's tactics and theatrics... 719 00:49:36,999 --> 00:49:38,961 ...would just go away and leave them alone. 720 00:49:39,086 --> 00:49:42,008 That was Mr. Murrows and television's triumph... 721 00:49:42,175 --> 00:49:43,678 ...and a very great one. 722 00:49:47,059 --> 00:49:48,144 Here! Here! 723 00:49:48,311 --> 00:49:50,440 - He hated it. - Yeah. What's his beef? 724 00:49:51,150 --> 00:49:52,903 Send the New YorkTimes abottle of Scotch. 725 00:49:53,029 --> 00:49:55,074 I already did. How do you think we got that review? 726 00:49:55,199 --> 00:49:57,161 - How's the Post? - Pretty good! 727 00:49:57,829 --> 00:49:59,875 - What about O'Brian? - Uh, the same. 728 00:50:01,336 --> 00:50:04,341 - Goon, read O'Brian! - I don't have it. 729 00:50:04,425 --> 00:50:05,886 - Got it. - Oh. Here. 730 00:50:08,182 --> 00:50:10,061 - There we go. - Shirley, that... 731 00:50:13,734 --> 00:50:17,241 We can't say we were surprised at Murrows "Hate McCarthy" telecast... 732 00:50:17,408 --> 00:50:20,288 ...last evening, when his explosively one-sided propaganda... 733 00:50:20,413 --> 00:50:23,711 ...edited with deviously clever selectivity from McCarthy's march... 734 00:50:23,836 --> 00:50:26,174 ...against Communism, was finished last evening... 735 00:50:26,299 --> 00:50:29,764 ...by equally Machiavellian coincidence the following telecast... 736 00:50:29,848 --> 00:50:32,853 ...featured Murrow's PM protege, Hollenbeck. 737 00:50:33,646 --> 00:50:35,942 In an obviously gloating mood, Hollenbeck... 738 00:50:36,068 --> 00:50:39,491 ...hoped viewers had witnessed his patron's triumph... 739 00:50:39,616 --> 00:50:40,868 ...from and for the Left. 740 00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:43,290 Soon. Soon... 741 00:50:43,456 --> 00:50:45,460 Shirley, it's okay. Go ahead, finish it. 742 00:50:45,585 --> 00:50:48,758 - No, that's it. That's it. - Shirley, please, finish it. 743 00:50:51,889 --> 00:50:56,606 The CBS has been in a lengthy "clean house of Lefties" mood. 744 00:50:56,648 --> 00:50:58,401 The worst offenders on lesser levels... 745 00:50:58,485 --> 00:51:00,697 ...have been quietly pushed out of the company. 746 00:51:00,781 --> 00:51:04,705 Don Hollenbeck, a graduate of the demised pinko publication PM... 747 00:51:04,788 --> 00:51:08,545 ...attacked conservative papers with sly and slanted propaganda. 748 00:51:08,712 --> 00:51:11,008 He then proceeded through an equally... 749 00:51:12,887 --> 00:51:14,682 ...tilted review of the day's events... 750 00:51:14,723 --> 00:51:18,063 ...with McCarthy dominating his words, actions, attitudes. 751 00:51:19,107 --> 00:51:20,067 Soon. 752 00:51:22,864 --> 00:51:25,828 - It's O'Brian. - He didn't get the Scotch, that's all. 753 00:51:26,287 --> 00:51:29,251 - Is it grammatically correct? - I'll have that cigarette, Ed. 754 00:51:30,879 --> 00:51:33,843 - Thanks, Shirley. - Oh. - Mmh. - Thank you. 755 00:51:34,010 --> 00:51:36,306 Joe... Shirley... 756 00:51:41,315 --> 00:51:42,567 It doesn't matter. 757 00:51:47,827 --> 00:51:48,954 To Jack Gould! 758 00:51:50,081 --> 00:51:52,878 - To Jack! To Jack! To Jack Gould! - To Jack Gould! 759 00:51:53,004 --> 00:51:53,964 I love Jack Gould! 760 00:51:56,009 --> 00:51:57,470 May he rest in peace. 761 00:51:59,766 --> 00:52:02,521 - Hello, Jimmy. - Fred, congratulations! - Thank you. 762 00:52:03,398 --> 00:52:05,736 I got such a hangover to go along with the ulcer. 763 00:52:05,861 --> 00:52:07,698 All the adguys on the 3rd floor watched the show. 764 00:52:07,823 --> 00:52:09,702 Got a good review in the New York Times. Jack Gould. 765 00:52:09,827 --> 00:52:11,204 We're putting out a press release... 766 00:52:11,371 --> 00:52:14,168 ...saying that calls came in 15 to 1 in favor of the show. - Really? 767 00:52:14,293 --> 00:52:16,631 - Yeah. - 15 to 1? - We got calls from everywhere. 768 00:52:16,923 --> 00:52:20,263 - East Coast or West Coast? - Yeah. Kansas City, Cincinnati... 769 00:52:21,307 --> 00:52:22,392 Mr. Paley... 770 00:52:23,519 --> 00:52:25,606 - Morning, Fred. - Morning, Mr. Paley. 771 00:52:30,783 --> 00:52:31,743 How's your wife? 772 00:52:32,244 --> 00:52:34,456 She's fine. We're getting ready to move. 773 00:52:34,540 --> 00:52:37,587 - Really? Where to? - Riverdale. We found a nice house there. 774 00:52:37,712 --> 00:52:38,631 It's nice there. 775 00:52:39,549 --> 00:52:40,593 Yes, sir. 776 00:52:47,689 --> 00:52:48,650 Excuse me. 777 00:52:48,900 --> 00:52:52,615 Fred! McCarthy wants William Buckey to do his rebuttal. 778 00:52:53,951 --> 00:52:54,995 I said no. 779 00:52:56,873 --> 00:52:57,792 Yes, sir. 780 00:53:04,220 --> 00:53:05,264 Hey, Johnny! 781 00:53:05,556 --> 00:53:07,769 - Radulovich has been reinstated. - What?! 782 00:53:07,894 --> 00:53:10,566 Radulovich... Guys! Radulovich has been reinstated. 783 00:53:10,691 --> 00:53:12,486 - Jesse! Jesse! - Where is Ed? 784 00:53:12,653 --> 00:53:15,158 - He's in the bullpen. Why? What's going on? - Jess! 785 00:53:15,283 --> 00:53:16,744 Got some very good news. 786 00:53:17,412 --> 00:53:20,459 Special announcement from the Secretary of the Air Force! 787 00:53:20,626 --> 00:53:22,588 Fellas! Listen up! Everyone! 788 00:53:23,507 --> 00:53:25,552 I have decided that it is consistent... 789 00:53:25,677 --> 00:53:28,432 ...with the interests of the National Security to retain... 790 00:53:28,558 --> 00:53:31,814 ...Lieutenant Radulovich in the United States Air Force. Stop. 791 00:53:31,981 --> 00:53:35,320 He is not, in my opinion, a security risk. Fullstop. 792 00:53:37,950 --> 00:53:41,582 There you go. Harold E. Talbott, Secretary from the Air Force. 793 00:53:42,208 --> 00:53:43,168 Great job! 794 00:53:43,294 --> 00:53:45,256 - Make a copy of that for me! - I will do, Fred! 795 00:53:45,339 --> 00:53:47,301 Back to work, guys! We got a lot of work to do. 796 00:53:47,426 --> 00:53:48,637 This means something. 797 00:53:48,762 --> 00:53:50,223 - Good news, huh? - Congratulations! 798 00:53:50,349 --> 00:53:54,440 - This absolutely means something. - Absolutely. This is the start of... 799 00:54:01,411 --> 00:54:02,455 Palmer! 800 00:54:05,544 --> 00:54:07,506 The CBS lawyers wanna talk to you. 801 00:54:11,179 --> 00:54:12,139 When? 802 00:54:12,766 --> 00:54:13,893 Tomorrow. 803 00:54:14,853 --> 00:54:18,109 I don't want you to get paranoid, they're talking to everybody. 804 00:54:18,234 --> 00:54:19,320 Any ideas? 805 00:54:20,948 --> 00:54:22,492 Just tell them what you know. 806 00:54:22,617 --> 00:54:25,289 - Now is that testimony true? - No, sir, it is not. 807 00:54:25,414 --> 00:54:28,545 Not at any time have I been a member of the Communist Party... 808 00:54:28,670 --> 00:54:31,050 ...and I have never seen a Communist card. 809 00:54:31,133 --> 00:54:33,429 - You've never seen a Communist card? - That's right. 810 00:54:33,555 --> 00:54:35,517 Have you ever attended any Communist meetings? 811 00:54:35,642 --> 00:54:37,186 No, sir, never. 812 00:54:37,270 --> 00:54:39,524 Have you ever subscribed to The Daily Worker? 813 00:54:39,691 --> 00:54:43,365 No, sir. I didn't subscribe to it and I wouldn't pay for it. 814 00:54:44,241 --> 00:54:49,376 Uh... Now, Mrs. Markward, who was working for the FBI... 815 00:54:50,127 --> 00:54:53,467 ...who joined the Communist Party under orders from the FBI... 816 00:54:53,634 --> 00:54:56,681 ...has testified that while she never met you personally... 817 00:54:56,973 --> 00:55:00,104 ...at a Communist meeting that your name was on the list... 818 00:55:00,230 --> 00:55:02,359 ...of Communists who were paying dues. 819 00:55:02,943 --> 00:55:05,615 Uh... Can you shed any light upon that? 820 00:55:06,617 --> 00:55:09,413 No, sir. I don't even know what the dues are... 821 00:55:09,580 --> 00:55:13,087 ...or where they were paid. - So you have never paid any money... 822 00:55:14,172 --> 00:55:15,967 ...to the Communist Party. 823 00:55:16,761 --> 00:55:18,430 - Is that correct? - That's right. 824 00:55:18,639 --> 00:55:20,726 You've never paid any dues, payment... 825 00:55:20,893 --> 00:55:22,521 Thank you very much, Leo! 826 00:55:23,482 --> 00:55:25,193 Good work, Joe, Charlie. 827 00:55:25,903 --> 00:55:27,197 Now what is the show? 828 00:55:27,322 --> 00:55:30,035 Is it defending Annie Lee Moss as not being a Communist? 829 00:55:30,119 --> 00:55:32,707 - Or is ither Constitutional rights? - Both. - The latter. 830 00:55:32,832 --> 00:55:35,295 We're much better sticking out the Constitutional issues. 831 00:55:35,421 --> 00:55:37,007 - Agreed? - The woman is not a Communist spy. 832 00:55:37,132 --> 00:55:39,720 Joe McCarthy said that they have a spy in the Pentagon... 833 00:55:39,887 --> 00:55:41,557 ...that spy has gotten into the code room... 834 00:55:41,682 --> 00:55:43,310 ...and that that spy is Annie Lee Moss. 835 00:55:43,436 --> 00:55:45,982 I've got New York Times reports. McCarthy asserts he has... 836 00:55:46,024 --> 00:55:48,821 ...a new red link to Army. Quote, "Senator McCarthy charged today..." 837 00:55:49,029 --> 00:55:51,492 "...that the Army now employs a woman in its code room..." 838 00:55:51,576 --> 00:55:54,122 "...who was, and still may be, an active Communist." 839 00:55:54,289 --> 00:55:55,792 It's the front page of the New York Times. 840 00:55:55,876 --> 00:55:59,507 No sooner is he done chastising the other committee members for wanting... 841 00:55:59,633 --> 00:56:02,555 ...to push into the afternoon, than what? Seven questions in... 842 00:56:02,722 --> 00:56:04,266 ...he ducks out, leaves... - Right. 843 00:56:04,392 --> 00:56:07,314 - Heleaves. - It's all over the headlines, all over the country. 844 00:56:07,481 --> 00:56:08,984 Get me copies from any newspaper... 845 00:56:09,150 --> 00:56:10,695 ...that printed anything about that assertion. 846 00:56:10,862 --> 00:56:14,160 That's a good idea. You should get the Cincinnati Inquirer. 847 00:56:14,243 --> 00:56:17,249 - Chicago. - Couple other pieces I think we should include. 848 00:56:17,416 --> 00:56:20,505 The fact that there's 3 Annie Lee Moss's in the phone book. 849 00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:23,594 There are 2 Robert Halls, one's colored, one's white. 850 00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:25,556 We have some footage of the empty chair. 851 00:56:25,681 --> 00:56:28,812 I think that says it all. Just that picture of McCarthy not... 852 00:56:28,938 --> 00:56:31,818 McCarthy leaving the hearing after 7 questions... 853 00:56:31,943 --> 00:56:34,072 ...and then we'll cut to the shot of thechair. 854 00:56:34,114 --> 00:56:36,827 - We gotta do something about it. - All right, so... 855 00:56:36,911 --> 00:56:40,751 Excuse me. Mr. Murrow! McCarthy wants April 6th. 856 00:56:44,550 --> 00:56:45,803 Thank you, Natalie. 857 00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,734 Fine. If Charlie shoots it, we get to see it first. We should offer. 858 00:56:53,859 --> 00:56:56,364 - It's a long shot. - What the hell could McCarthy do? 859 00:56:56,489 --> 00:56:58,952 Is he gonna debate himself? We just used his words! 860 00:57:02,334 --> 00:57:04,504 Johnny! Johnny! We know what it's going to be. 861 00:57:04,630 --> 00:57:07,635 He's going to come after me. There's nothing more he can do. 862 00:57:07,677 --> 00:57:10,223 He's gonna bet that a Senator trumps a newsman. 863 00:57:11,183 --> 00:57:12,102 He'll lose. 864 00:57:12,561 --> 00:57:14,147 Not if we're playing bridge. 865 00:57:15,942 --> 00:57:18,823 - I'm sorry, guys. I didn't mean to interrupt. - Hey, Don. 866 00:57:18,906 --> 00:57:21,035 - It's getting fun now! - Ed, you have aminute? 867 00:57:21,494 --> 00:57:25,126 - Yes, I'll be right there. - All right, boys. Playtime's over. 868 00:57:25,585 --> 00:57:26,921 We have 4 days... 869 00:57:27,172 --> 00:57:29,635 ...to do a 29 minute show. - Yeah. - All right. 870 00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:31,138 All right, go ahead. Hi, Mary. 871 00:57:31,263 --> 00:57:32,933 Hello, Mr. Hollenbeck. Mr. Murrow... 872 00:57:33,100 --> 00:57:34,936 - Could you give us a moment? - Sure. 873 00:57:36,815 --> 00:57:37,858 Thank you, dear. 874 00:57:39,695 --> 00:57:42,283 I have to ask you something, Ed. It's about O'Brian. 875 00:57:42,450 --> 00:57:44,287 - O'Brian doesn'tmatter. - He's killing me, Ed. 876 00:57:44,454 --> 00:57:46,124 He doesn't amount to that much in the newsroom. 877 00:57:46,291 --> 00:57:47,669 We've got to let that guy have it. 878 00:57:47,794 --> 00:57:51,050 We're not going after O'Brian. I will not take on McCarthy and Hearst. 879 00:57:51,175 --> 00:57:52,427 I can't defeat them both. 880 00:57:53,596 --> 00:57:56,852 Just don't read the papers. Or don't read O'Brian, anyway. 881 00:58:02,071 --> 00:58:04,325 Okay. I guess not. 882 00:58:05,702 --> 00:58:06,704 Sorry, Don. 883 00:58:20,898 --> 00:58:22,693 Although Mrs. Moss offered to testify... 884 00:58:22,776 --> 00:58:25,907 ...Senator McCarthy suggested that she was too sick. 885 00:58:25,990 --> 00:58:29,664 - She agreed... - Mr. Cohn wanted to know about Mrs. Moss's connection... 886 00:58:29,789 --> 00:58:33,421 ...to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth... 887 00:58:33,504 --> 00:58:34,673 ...so help you God? 888 00:58:38,514 --> 00:58:41,144 May we get your full name for the record, please? 889 00:58:41,561 --> 00:58:42,855 Annie Lee Moss. 890 00:58:44,024 --> 00:58:45,611 - M-O-S-S? - That's right. 891 00:58:46,028 --> 00:58:49,242 Mrs. Moss, let me say for the record, for your information... 892 00:58:49,409 --> 00:58:51,538 ...for the information of your counsel... 893 00:58:52,123 --> 00:58:54,001 ...that you are not here because... 894 00:58:55,379 --> 00:59:00,430 ...you are considered important in the Communist apparatus. 895 00:59:00,555 --> 00:59:04,062 We have the testimony that you are, and have been, a Communist. 896 00:59:05,189 --> 00:59:08,570 We are rather curious, however, to kno whow you suddenly... 897 00:59:09,948 --> 00:59:11,284 ...were shifted from... 898 00:59:13,246 --> 00:59:16,251 ...a worker in a cafeteria to the code room. 899 00:59:16,544 --> 00:59:19,841 I am today much more interested... 900 00:59:20,635 --> 00:59:24,350 ...in the handling of your case... 901 00:59:25,101 --> 00:59:28,274 ...by your superiors than in your own personal activities. 902 00:59:28,650 --> 00:59:32,866 However, counsel will question you about your own activities also. 903 00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,289 - Mr. Chairman! - We will not hear from counsel. 904 00:59:36,873 --> 00:59:38,877 You have been told what the rule is. 905 00:59:39,169 --> 00:59:42,133 If you have anything to say, say it through your client. 906 00:59:45,932 --> 00:59:49,606 Chairman. Did you begin work at the General Accounting Office in... 907 00:59:50,524 --> 00:59:52,653 ...1945? - Yes, sir. 908 00:59:53,571 --> 00:59:57,746 And, prior to that time, had you been a cafeteria worker? 909 00:59:57,871 --> 00:59:59,249 Yes, I had. 910 00:59:59,541 --> 01:00:03,841 I see. While in the Pentagon, since 1950... 911 01:00:04,216 --> 01:00:06,930 ...have you had any connections with coded messages? 912 01:00:07,055 --> 01:00:09,017 Have you ever handled coded messages? 913 01:00:10,144 --> 01:00:12,607 - No more than to transmit 'em. - Pardon me? 914 01:00:12,941 --> 01:00:15,153 No more than to transmit the message. 915 01:00:15,237 --> 01:00:17,616 Than to transmit them? Did you transmit codes? 916 01:00:17,700 --> 01:00:20,413 To receive or transmit messages was all I had to do. 917 01:00:20,455 --> 01:00:23,127 And I've never been into a courtroom in my life. 918 01:00:23,669 --> 01:00:24,880 Do you know the... 919 01:00:26,967 --> 01:00:28,554 ...type of classification... 920 01:00:28,679 --> 01:00:32,812 - Do you know if they were secret, top secret, confidential? - No, sir. 921 01:00:33,104 --> 01:00:36,485 - You wouldn't know the degree of classification? - No, sir. 922 01:00:36,903 --> 01:00:37,904 I see. 923 01:00:39,198 --> 01:00:42,329 I'm afraid I'm going to have to excuse myself, I've got... 924 01:00:43,540 --> 01:00:47,506 ...a rather important appointment to work on right now... 925 01:00:47,631 --> 01:00:51,805 ...and I wonder if, Senator Mundt, you would takeover as Chairman? 926 01:00:56,857 --> 01:00:58,359 - Chairman. Uh... - Cohn. 927 01:00:58,443 --> 01:01:01,449 I have no further questions of this witness at this time. 928 01:01:01,616 --> 01:01:05,707 We have the testimony of Mrs. Markward, the undercover agent for the FBI... 929 01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:09,589 ...stating that Annie Lee Moss was a member, a dues-paying member... 930 01:01:09,631 --> 01:01:11,384 ...of the Communist Party... 931 01:01:11,843 --> 01:01:14,056 ...the Northeast Club of the Communist Party. 932 01:01:14,223 --> 01:01:17,520 We have corroboration of that testimony by another... 933 01:01:18,606 --> 01:01:20,776 ...witness who was called before the Committee... 934 01:01:20,902 --> 01:01:22,655 ...and gave a sworn statement to the effect... 935 01:01:22,780 --> 01:01:25,494 ...that she also knew Mrs. Moss as a member... 936 01:01:25,619 --> 01:01:27,539 ...of the Northeast Club of the Communist Party. 937 01:01:27,664 --> 01:01:31,922 She's already lost her job. She's been suspended because of this action. 938 01:01:32,716 --> 01:01:36,222 I'm not defending her. If she's a Communist, I want her exposed. 939 01:01:36,598 --> 01:01:40,230 But to make these statements as we've got corroborating evidence... 940 01:01:40,689 --> 01:01:43,861 ...that she is a Communist, under these circumstances... 941 01:01:43,945 --> 01:01:47,577 ...I think she's entitled to have it produced here in her presence... 942 01:01:47,744 --> 01:01:51,083 ...and let the public know about it and let her know about it. 943 01:01:54,465 --> 01:01:57,679 I don't like to try people by hearsay evidence. 944 01:01:59,182 --> 01:02:01,853 I'd like to get the witnesses here and try them... 945 01:02:03,607 --> 01:02:05,318 ...by testimony, under oath. 946 01:02:05,611 --> 01:02:09,159 The Chair will rule that the comment of Mr. Cohn... 947 01:02:09,284 --> 01:02:10,870 ...be stricken from the record. 948 01:02:11,163 --> 01:02:13,667 I didnt ask that, Mr. Chairman! 949 01:02:13,793 --> 01:02:16,381 ...whether we should try to produce a witness in public... 950 01:02:16,506 --> 01:02:19,720 ...because the FBI may have her undercover and we don't want to... 951 01:02:19,846 --> 01:02:24,354 You can't strike these statements made by counsel here as to evidence... 952 01:02:24,479 --> 01:02:28,654 ...that we're having and withholding. You cannot strike that from the press... 953 01:02:28,737 --> 01:02:33,830 ...nor from the public mind once it's planted there. That's the... 954 01:02:35,709 --> 01:02:37,044 ...evil of it! 955 01:02:37,378 --> 01:02:40,551 - Well, I'd look at it... - I don't think it's fair to a witness... 956 01:02:40,635 --> 01:02:42,096 ...to a citizen of this country... 957 01:02:42,263 --> 01:02:44,266 ...to bring them up here and cross-examine them... 958 01:02:44,433 --> 01:02:45,811 ...then when they get through, say... 959 01:02:45,936 --> 01:02:48,817 ..."The FBI has got something on you that condemns you." 960 01:02:48,900 --> 01:02:51,613 - The Chair agrees... - It is not sworn testimony... 961 01:02:51,780 --> 01:02:55,287 ...it's convicting people by rumor and hearsay and innuendo. 962 01:02:57,082 --> 01:03:00,630 You will notice that neither Senator McClellan or Senator Symington... 963 01:03:00,756 --> 01:03:05,097 ...nor this reporter know or claim that Mrs. Moss was or is a Communist. 964 01:03:05,723 --> 01:03:10,190 They simply claimed that she had the right to meet her accusers face to face. 965 01:03:25,051 --> 01:03:29,142 One month ago tonight we presented a report on Senator Joseph R. McCarthy. 966 01:03:29,601 --> 01:03:31,313 We labeled it as controversial. 967 01:03:31,939 --> 01:03:35,571 Most of that report consisted of words and pictures of the Senator. 968 01:03:36,197 --> 01:03:37,700 At that time, we said... 969 01:03:37,909 --> 01:03:41,749 ..."If theSenator believes we havedone violence to his words or pictures..." 970 01:03:41,874 --> 01:03:44,463 "...if he desires to speak, to answer himself..." 971 01:03:44,630 --> 01:03:47,677 "...an opportunity would be afforded him on this program." 972 01:03:48,011 --> 01:03:51,684 The Senator sought the opportunity after 3 weeks... 973 01:03:51,810 --> 01:03:55,859 ...because he was very busy and wished adequate time to prepare his reply. 974 01:03:56,402 --> 01:03:57,362 We agreed. 975 01:03:57,946 --> 01:04:02,079 We placed no restrictions on the manner of the presentation of his reply... 976 01:04:02,246 --> 01:04:05,293 ...and we suggested that we would not take time to comment... 977 01:04:05,418 --> 01:04:07,130 ...on this particular program. 978 01:04:07,756 --> 01:04:11,638 Here now is Senator Joseph R. McCarthy, junior Senator from Wisconsin. 979 01:04:13,100 --> 01:04:19,403 Good evening. Mr. Edward R. Murrow, Educational Director of the CBS... 980 01:04:20,488 --> 01:04:22,784 ...devoted his program to an attack... 981 01:04:22,910 --> 01:04:26,040 ...on the work ofthe US Senate Investigating Committee... 982 01:04:26,458 --> 01:04:28,629 ...and on me personally as its Chairman. 983 01:04:29,547 --> 01:04:33,137 Now, over the past 4 years, he has made repeated attacks upon me... 984 01:04:33,638 --> 01:04:35,433 ...and those fighting Communists. 985 01:04:36,852 --> 01:04:39,983 Of course, neither Joe McCarthy nor Edward R. Murrow... 986 01:04:40,693 --> 01:04:43,615 ...is of any great importance as individuals. 987 01:04:44,659 --> 01:04:46,203 We are only important... 988 01:04:46,537 --> 01:04:50,503 ...in our relation to the great struggle to preserve our American liberties. 989 01:04:51,087 --> 01:04:55,721 Now ordinarily, I wouldnt take time out from the important work at hand... 990 01:04:56,473 --> 01:04:57,683 ...to answer Murrow. 991 01:04:58,268 --> 01:04:59,729 However, in this case... 992 01:04:59,854 --> 01:05:03,694 ...I feel justified in doing so because Murrow is the symbol... 993 01:05:04,446 --> 01:05:05,489 ...the leader... 994 01:05:05,823 --> 01:05:10,875 ...and the cleverest of the jackal pack which is always found at the throat... 995 01:05:11,375 --> 01:05:15,341 ...of anyone who dares to expose individual Communists and traitors. 996 01:05:16,594 --> 01:05:18,514 And I am compelled by the fact... 997 01:05:19,015 --> 01:05:21,394 ...to say to you that Mr. Edward R. Murrow... 998 01:05:22,062 --> 01:05:24,525 ...as far back as 20 years ago... 999 01:05:25,277 --> 01:05:28,616 ...was engaged in propaganda for Communist causes. 1000 01:05:29,869 --> 01:05:32,916 For example, the Institute of International Education... 1001 01:05:33,125 --> 01:05:35,379 ...of which he was the Acting Director... 1002 01:05:36,005 --> 01:05:38,885 ...was chosen to act as a representative... 1003 01:05:39,261 --> 01:05:40,889 ...by a Soviet agency... 1004 01:05:42,142 --> 01:05:47,485 ...to do a job which would normally be done by the Russian secret police. 1005 01:05:48,403 --> 01:05:52,077 Mr. Murrow, by his own admission, was a member of the IWW... 1006 01:05:52,202 --> 01:05:54,707 ...that's the Industrial Workers of the World... 1007 01:05:54,832 --> 01:05:57,587 ...a terrorist organization cited as subversive... 1008 01:05:58,213 --> 01:06:00,676 ...by an Attorney General of the United States. 1009 01:06:00,843 --> 01:06:04,183 Mr. Murrow said on this program and I quote... 1010 01:06:04,976 --> 01:06:08,650 ..."The actions of the junior Senator from Wisconsin..." 1011 01:06:10,027 --> 01:06:14,035 "...have given considerable comfort to the enemy." 1012 01:06:14,744 --> 01:06:18,585 That is the language of our statute of treason, rather strong language. 1013 01:06:19,378 --> 01:06:24,721 If I am giving comfort to our enemies, I ought not to be in the Senate. 1014 01:06:25,055 --> 01:06:26,976 If, on the other hand, Mr. Murrow... 1015 01:06:27,435 --> 01:06:29,480 ...is giving comfort to our enemies... 1016 01:06:29,772 --> 01:06:32,194 ...he ought not to be brought into the homes... 1017 01:06:32,402 --> 01:06:35,951 ...of millions of Americans by the CBS. 1018 01:06:36,201 --> 01:06:37,579 And I want to assure you... 1019 01:06:38,789 --> 01:06:41,712 ...that I will not be deterred... 1020 01:06:42,505 --> 01:06:48,307 ...by the attacks of the Murrows, the Lattimores, the Fosters... 1021 01:06:49,100 --> 01:06:53,066 ...The Daily Worker or the Communist Party itself. 1022 01:06:55,195 --> 01:06:58,326 And I make no claim to leadership. 1023 01:07:00,622 --> 01:07:02,208 Incomplete humility... 1024 01:07:04,087 --> 01:07:08,178 ...I do ask you and every American who loves this country... 1025 01:07:08,971 --> 01:07:10,516 ...to join with me. 1026 01:07:38,568 --> 01:07:40,655 [Everyone talks about the weather.] 1027 01:07:41,574 --> 01:07:44,287 [Wherever you look on America's modern farms...] 1028 01:07:44,705 --> 01:07:49,088 [... aluminum is on the job, helping the farmer do something about the weather.] 1029 01:07:50,006 --> 01:07:53,262 [Aluminum for the farm is one more example of how Alcoa...] 1030 01:07:53,388 --> 01:07:54,682 [... since 1999...] 1031 01:07:55,057 --> 01:07:58,814 [... has continued to pioneer new uses for this vital metal.] 1032 01:07:59,524 --> 01:08:03,532 [New uses of aluminum that mean better farms and better farming.] 1033 01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:07,831 The aluminum from the nation's first and leading producer...] 1034 01:08:08,458 --> 01:08:11,839 [... Alcoa, Aluminum Company of America.] 1035 01:08:12,423 --> 01:08:14,886 Last week, Senator McCarthy appeared on this program... 1036 01:08:15,011 --> 01:08:17,474 ...to correct any errors he might have thought we made... 1037 01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:19,144 ...in our report of March 9th. 1038 01:08:19,311 --> 01:08:22,693 Since he made no reference to any statements of fact that we made... 1039 01:08:22,734 --> 01:08:25,448 ...we must conclude that he found no errors of fact. 1040 01:08:26,408 --> 01:08:28,954 He proved again that anyone who exposes him... 1041 01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:33,588 ...anyone who doesn't share his disregard for decency and human dignity... 1042 01:08:33,838 --> 01:08:36,301 ...and the rights guaranteed by the Constitution... 1043 01:08:36,427 --> 01:08:39,057 ...must be either a Communist or a fellow traveler. 1044 01:08:39,683 --> 01:08:41,478 I fully expected this treatment. 1045 01:08:42,313 --> 01:08:45,652 The Senator added this reporter's name to a long list of individuals... 1046 01:08:45,819 --> 01:08:49,201 ...and institutions he has accused of serving the Communist cause. 1047 01:08:49,660 --> 01:08:51,371 His proposition is very simple: 1048 01:08:51,789 --> 01:08:55,170 ...anyone who criticizes or opposes Senator McCarthy's methods... 1049 01:08:55,462 --> 01:08:56,840 ...must be a Communist. 1050 01:08:57,633 --> 01:09:01,307 And if that be true, there are an awful lot of Communists in the USA. 1051 01:09:02,016 --> 01:09:05,606 For the record, let's consider briefly some of the Senator's charges. 1052 01:09:05,732 --> 01:09:07,777 He claimed, but offered no proof... 1053 01:09:07,902 --> 01:09:11,242 ...that I had been a member of the Industrial Workers of the World. 1054 01:09:11,367 --> 01:09:12,453 That is false. 1055 01:09:13,079 --> 01:09:16,794 I was never a member ofthe IWW, never applied for membership. 1056 01:09:18,005 --> 01:09:20,593 The Senator charged that Professor Harold Laski... 1057 01:09:20,718 --> 01:09:23,682 ...a British scholar and politician, dedicated a book to me. 1058 01:09:23,807 --> 01:09:24,851 That's true. 1059 01:09:25,185 --> 01:09:28,566 He is dead. He was a socialist, I am not. 1060 01:09:29,651 --> 01:09:31,321 He was a civilized individual... 1061 01:09:31,488 --> 01:09:34,703 ...who did not insist upon agreement with his political principles... 1062 01:09:34,744 --> 01:09:37,583 ...as a pre-condition for conversation or friendship. 1063 01:09:38,042 --> 01:09:40,255 I do not agree with his political ideas. 1064 01:09:41,257 --> 01:09:43,719 I ask, as he makes clear in the introduction... 1065 01:09:43,845 --> 01:09:47,226 ...dedicated the book to me, not because of political agreement... 1066 01:09:47,393 --> 01:09:51,192 ...but because he held my wartime broadcast from London in high regard. 1067 01:09:51,693 --> 01:09:53,363 And the dedication so reads. 1068 01:09:54,949 --> 01:09:57,370 I believed 20 years ago and I believe today... 1069 01:09:57,954 --> 01:10:01,503 ...that mature Americans can engage in conversation and controversy... 1070 01:10:01,628 --> 01:10:04,884 ...the clash of ideas, with Communists anywhere in the world... 1071 01:10:05,009 --> 01:10:07,472 ...without becoming contaminated or converted. 1072 01:10:08,265 --> 01:10:10,854 I believe that our faith, our conviction... 1073 01:10:11,271 --> 01:10:13,734 ...our determination are stronger than theirs... 1074 01:10:14,026 --> 01:10:18,410 ...and that we can successfully compete, not only in the area of bombs... 1075 01:10:18,869 --> 01:10:20,664 ...but in the area of ideas. 1076 01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:25,673 I have worked with CBS for more than 19 years. 1077 01:10:26,049 --> 01:10:29,722 The company has subscribed fully to my integrity and responsibility... 1078 01:10:29,848 --> 01:10:32,311 ...as a broadcaster and as a loyal American. 1079 01:10:33,104 --> 01:10:36,569 I require no lectures from the junior Senator from Wisconsin... 1080 01:10:36,694 --> 01:10:39,240 ...as to the dangers or terrors of Communism. 1081 01:10:40,451 --> 01:10:42,747 Having searched my conscience and my files... 1082 01:10:42,914 --> 01:10:45,919 ...I cannot contend that I have always been right or wise... 1083 01:10:46,045 --> 01:10:49,134 ...but I have attempted to pursue thet ruth with diligence... 1084 01:10:49,301 --> 01:10:50,386 ...and to report it... 1085 01:10:50,511 --> 01:10:53,475 ...even though, as in this case, I had been warned in advance... 1086 01:10:53,601 --> 01:10:57,107 ...that I would be subjected to the attentions of Senator McCarthy. 1087 01:10:58,151 --> 01:11:02,200 We shall hope to deal with matters of more vital interest next week. 1088 01:11:03,077 --> 01:11:04,663 Good night, and good luck. 1089 01:11:12,469 --> 01:11:16,226 In the last analysis, the Senator was perched on the television high dive... 1090 01:11:16,310 --> 01:11:18,606 ...and all prepared to make a resounding splash. 1091 01:11:18,731 --> 01:11:21,361 He jumped beautifully, but he neglected to check first... 1092 01:11:21,486 --> 01:11:24,241 ...where he was going to land. It must have been a shock... 1093 01:11:24,367 --> 01:11:27,915 ...to discover that Mr. Murrow had drained the water out of the pool. 1094 01:11:28,833 --> 01:11:31,296 - Is that the Times? Gould? - Yeah, it's Jack Gould. 1095 01:11:31,421 --> 01:11:33,467 - He's a hell of a writer. - Yes, he is. 1096 01:11:34,177 --> 01:11:36,765 - If we can afford him! - Stanton's got a public opinion... 1097 01:11:36,848 --> 01:11:38,476 Senate's investigating McCarthy. 1098 01:11:39,562 --> 01:11:40,522 What? 1099 01:11:40,772 --> 01:11:44,321 The Army's charging that McCarthy and Cohn exercised undue pressure... 1100 01:11:44,446 --> 01:11:47,785 ...to get preferential treatment for Schine. - Who's the source? 1101 01:11:47,869 --> 01:11:51,960 - Got a second source? - There isn't, but this is coming out in 2 hours. 1102 01:11:52,085 --> 01:11:55,341 - Who's heading up the investigation? - It's not gonna be McCarthy! 1103 01:11:55,466 --> 01:11:57,220 - Really? - What happened? 1104 01:11:57,429 --> 01:12:00,225 - Also get me the Washington Post! - What's going on? 1105 01:12:00,392 --> 01:12:01,812 It's Williams for Jack Thompson. 1106 01:12:02,020 --> 01:12:03,774 The Senate's investigating McCarthy. 1107 01:12:04,567 --> 01:12:06,696 There is an added bit of comedy to this whole story. 1108 01:12:06,821 --> 01:12:08,783 The Committee cannot convene for several days... 1109 01:12:08,950 --> 01:12:11,622 ...because Senator McCarthy has a slight case of laryngitis. 1110 01:12:11,747 --> 01:12:15,546 And he must recover over the desert air of Arizona. 1111 01:12:18,885 --> 01:12:22,350 - But Stevens is going after him and it looks like Joe Welch. - Yeah. 1112 01:12:22,475 --> 01:12:24,897 They're gonna allow each side to call witnesses... 1113 01:12:25,064 --> 01:12:26,859 ...and be privy to other testimony. 1114 01:12:27,151 --> 01:12:31,033 - Fred, we still have a meeting! - We're gonna go to talk toThompson. 1115 01:12:33,621 --> 01:12:34,999 No, thanks, Jack. Bye. 1116 01:12:35,917 --> 01:12:38,881 Freddy, we're a hit. Right up there with "Howdy Dowdy"! 1117 01:12:40,217 --> 01:12:42,221 Can I have an outlet satellite, please? 1118 01:12:44,058 --> 01:12:50,653 - 74, 76,47. Thank you. - Murrayville3, 1-2-7-6. 1119 01:13:10,607 --> 01:13:13,780 The fact of newscaster Don Hollenbeck's suicide yesterday... 1120 01:13:13,905 --> 01:13:17,788 ...does not remove from the record that peculiar history... 1121 01:13:18,622 --> 01:13:23,590 ...of the leftist slanting of news indulged consistently by the CBS. 1122 01:13:24,968 --> 01:13:28,224 Hollenbeck was what most astute students of CBS's strange... 1123 01:13:28,641 --> 01:13:30,895 ...and questionable new methods considered... 1124 01:13:30,979 --> 01:13:36,573 ..."typical of its newscasters". By Jack O'Brian. 1125 01:15:10,833 --> 01:15:12,795 Oh, yeah. I like it like that. 1126 01:15:15,091 --> 01:15:18,973 One of the best programs I ever heard was called "CBS Views The Press". 1127 01:15:19,724 --> 01:15:22,146 A great many people liked it, some didn't... 1128 01:15:22,563 --> 01:15:25,110 ...but noone ever called it anything but honest. 1129 01:15:25,652 --> 01:15:29,368 It was the work of an honest reporter. Don Hollenbeck. 1130 01:15:30,328 --> 01:15:32,707 He also worked occasionally on "See It Now'. 1131 01:15:33,375 --> 01:15:36,255 He did the 11 p.m. News over some of these stations. 1132 01:15:37,007 --> 01:15:39,637 He had been sick lately and he died this morning. 1133 01:15:40,346 --> 01:15:42,851 The police said it was suicide... gas. 1134 01:15:44,646 --> 01:15:45,899 Not much of an obit. 1135 01:15:46,316 --> 01:15:49,447 But, at least we got our facts straight, and it was brief. 1136 01:15:50,491 --> 01:15:53,079 And that's all Don Hollenbeck would have asked. 1137 01:15:54,039 --> 01:15:55,834 Good night, and good luck. 1138 01:16:01,511 --> 01:16:03,515 Got to be in Philadelphia this morning. 1139 01:16:04,642 --> 01:16:06,145 What time is your train? 1140 01:16:07,230 --> 01:16:08,274 9:00. 1141 01:16:09,902 --> 01:16:12,407 - Charlie going with you? - Uh-huh. 1142 01:16:21,465 --> 01:16:22,676 Here's a thought. 1143 01:16:24,513 --> 01:16:25,848 What if we're wrong? 1144 01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:29,731 We're not wrong. 1145 01:16:31,526 --> 01:16:33,112 We're not going to look back... 1146 01:16:35,241 --> 01:16:37,370 ...and say we protected the wrong side? 1147 01:16:39,833 --> 01:16:45,093 Protected them from what? In the name of what? What would we be preserving? 1148 01:16:46,262 --> 01:16:49,643 Argument could bemade, 'for the greater good". 1149 01:16:51,939 --> 01:16:54,652 Not once you give it all away. It's no good then. 1150 01:16:56,364 --> 01:16:57,742 It's just a thought. 1151 01:17:04,463 --> 01:17:09,138 Senator, may we not drop this? We know he belonged to the Lawyer's Guild. 1152 01:17:09,263 --> 01:17:11,851 And Mr. Cohn nods his head at me. 1153 01:17:12,018 --> 01:17:15,817 - I did you, I think, no personal injury, Mr. Cohn. - No, sir. 1154 01:17:15,984 --> 01:17:18,572 - I meant to do you no personal injury. - No. 1155 01:17:18,739 --> 01:17:21,828 And if I did, I beg your pardon. 1156 01:17:22,288 --> 01:17:27,756 Let us not assassinate this lad further, Senator. You've done enough. 1157 01:17:28,090 --> 01:17:31,597 - Let's... let's... - Have you no sense of decency, sir? 1158 01:17:31,805 --> 01:17:36,982 At long last, have you left no sense of decency? 1159 01:17:37,399 --> 01:17:41,365 - I know this hurts you, Mr. Welch. - Senator, I think it hurts you, too. 1160 01:17:41,449 --> 01:17:44,955 - I'd like to finish this. - Have you some private reservation... 1161 01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:48,796 ...when you take the oath that you will tell the whole truth... 1162 01:17:49,213 --> 01:17:52,344 ...that lets you be the judge of what you will testify to? 1163 01:17:52,553 --> 01:17:56,143 The answer is there's no reservation about telling the whole truth. 1164 01:17:56,268 --> 01:18:01,695 Thank you, sir. Then tell us who delivered the documents to you! 1165 01:18:01,778 --> 01:18:04,742 I don't want to mean that this new fashion is not chic. 1166 01:18:04,867 --> 01:18:08,666 - I think it's just no good for me. - Uh, not for you. 1167 01:18:08,958 --> 01:18:11,630 Milko, anything you care to say on that subject? 1168 01:18:11,755 --> 01:18:13,133 I think no comment. 1169 01:18:16,807 --> 01:18:20,063 It's got to be there. If you can't find it, I cant write about it. 1170 01:18:20,188 --> 01:18:22,651 - Check again. - Charlie said he dropped it off. 1171 01:18:22,776 --> 01:18:25,865 - Charlie said he dropped... - Shirley, can I see you a minute? 1172 01:18:26,116 --> 01:18:27,702 - I got to call you back. - Joe! 1173 01:18:27,827 --> 01:18:28,787 You, too. 1174 01:18:39,057 --> 01:18:40,142 Close the door. 1175 01:18:43,482 --> 01:18:44,525 Have a seat. 1176 01:18:48,199 --> 01:18:51,288 - How are you? - Fine, thank you. - Swell. Yeah. 1177 01:18:51,997 --> 01:18:55,003 Uh, you both are aware that there's a policy at CBS... 1178 01:18:55,128 --> 01:18:57,257 ...that no two employees can be married. 1179 01:19:00,138 --> 01:19:03,519 I want to ask you a question, but I don't want you to answer it. 1180 01:19:03,561 --> 01:19:05,272 I want you to consider it. 1181 01:19:06,566 --> 01:19:08,153 I know you two are married. 1182 01:19:10,282 --> 01:19:11,367 Everyone knows. 1183 01:19:12,578 --> 01:19:13,788 That's not my question. 1184 01:19:14,206 --> 01:19:17,295 In the next few weeks I have to lay off a couple of people. 1185 01:19:17,378 --> 01:19:20,134 We're making some significant cuts across the board. 1186 01:19:21,469 --> 01:19:23,139 I wanted you to know that... 1187 01:19:23,348 --> 01:19:26,228 ...because you could save someone else being fired. 1188 01:19:28,524 --> 01:19:32,323 I'm asking you to consider makng this decision a little easier. 1189 01:19:34,661 --> 01:19:36,331 I don't need an answer now. 1190 01:19:37,875 --> 01:19:39,962 Just think about it. 1191 01:19:41,549 --> 01:19:42,592 Good. 1192 01:19:54,573 --> 01:19:55,784 - Well, Joe... - Well? 1193 01:19:56,118 --> 01:19:59,416 - Sure we'regonna miss you around here. - I'll pack my things. 1194 01:20:02,672 --> 01:20:05,385 - I think it's for the best. - We'll find out! 1195 01:20:08,015 --> 01:20:09,267 Mrs. Wershba... 1196 01:20:12,190 --> 01:20:13,358 Everybody knew. 1197 01:20:22,417 --> 01:20:24,379 Natalie, did he say what it was about? 1198 01:20:24,421 --> 01:20:27,343 No. Just that he wanted to talk to you in his office. 1199 01:20:42,997 --> 01:20:44,083 Uh-oh! 1200 01:20:47,589 --> 01:20:50,971 The problem isn't simply that you've lost your sponsor. 1201 01:20:51,388 --> 01:20:53,684 With Alcoa, "See It Now" still loses money. 1202 01:20:53,851 --> 01:20:55,229 The fee is 50,000 dollars. 1203 01:20:55,354 --> 01:20:57,817 Last week's episode we did for less than 50,000 dollars. 1204 01:20:57,984 --> 01:20:59,820 Fred, you're speakng beyond your competence. 1205 01:20:59,987 --> 01:21:02,409 We'll certainly find another sponsor. 1206 01:21:02,534 --> 01:21:06,207 "64,000 Dollar Question" brings in over 90,000 in sponsors... 1207 01:21:06,291 --> 01:21:08,420 ...and it costs one-third of what youdo. 1208 01:21:08,545 --> 01:21:11,509 Ed, I've got Tuesday night programming that's number one. 1209 01:21:11,634 --> 01:21:15,099 People want to enjoy themselves. They don't want a civics lesson. 1210 01:21:15,183 --> 01:21:18,063 - What do you want, Bill? - I don't want to get a stomachache... 1211 01:21:18,188 --> 01:21:20,651 ...every time you take on a controversial subject. 1212 01:21:22,363 --> 01:21:25,452 I'm afraid that's the price you have to be willing to pay. 1213 01:21:26,913 --> 01:21:29,835 Let's walk very carefully through these next few moments. 1214 01:21:30,002 --> 01:21:32,298 The content of what we're doing is more important... 1215 01:21:32,465 --> 01:21:35,805 ...than what some guy in Cincinnati... - It's what you'redoing, Ed. Not me. 1216 01:21:35,972 --> 01:21:37,057 Not Frank Stanton. You. 1217 01:21:37,349 --> 01:21:41,440 "CBS News", "See It Now" all belong to you, Bill. 1218 01:21:41,482 --> 01:21:42,609 You wouldn't know it. 1219 01:21:44,404 --> 01:21:49,163 - What is it you want? Credit? - I never censored a single program. 1220 01:21:50,123 --> 01:21:54,548 I hold on to affiliates who wanted entertainment from us. 1221 01:21:54,966 --> 01:21:56,761 I fight to keep the license... 1222 01:21:56,844 --> 01:22:00,184 ...with the very same politicians that you are bringing down... 1223 01:22:00,309 --> 01:22:05,277 ...and I never, never said no to you. Never. 1224 01:22:06,654 --> 01:22:09,827 I would argue that we have done very well by one another. 1225 01:22:10,912 --> 01:22:12,791 I would argue that this network... 1226 01:22:14,126 --> 01:22:17,174 ...is defined by what the news department has accomplished. 1227 01:22:17,299 --> 01:22:21,223 And I would also argue that never saying no is not the same as not censoring. 1228 01:22:21,348 --> 01:22:24,521 Really? You should teach journalism. You and Mr. Friendly. 1229 01:22:30,991 --> 01:22:32,202 Let me ask you this: 1230 01:22:33,997 --> 01:22:35,709 ...why didn't you correct McCarthy... 1231 01:22:35,876 --> 01:22:38,839 ...when he said that Alger Hiss was convicted of treason? 1232 01:22:39,132 --> 01:22:42,722 He was only convicted of perjury. You corrected everything else. 1233 01:22:43,431 --> 01:22:46,604 Did you not want the appearance of defending a known Communist? 1234 01:22:46,771 --> 01:22:49,526 I would argue that everyone censors, including you. 1235 01:22:53,534 --> 01:22:55,287 What do you want to do, Bill? 1236 01:22:59,295 --> 01:23:02,217 I'm takng your program from a half an hour to an hour. 1237 01:23:02,384 --> 01:23:05,765 And it wont be a weekly program and it won't be Tuesday nights. 1238 01:23:06,475 --> 01:23:08,812 - When would it be? - Sunday afternoons. 1239 01:23:12,319 --> 01:23:14,615 - How many episodes? - 5. 1240 01:23:17,370 --> 01:23:19,249 Why don't you just fire me, Bill? 1241 01:23:19,499 --> 01:23:21,837 I don't think it's what either of us wants. 1242 01:23:26,262 --> 01:23:27,639 You owe me 5 shows. 1243 01:23:37,658 --> 01:23:40,246 - You won't like the subject matter. - Probably not. 1244 01:23:40,413 --> 01:23:42,626 Fred, I'll need you for a moment. 1245 01:23:57,362 --> 01:23:59,658 - Thank you, Mary. - Goodbye, Mr. Friendly. 1246 01:24:05,961 --> 01:24:09,176 - He wants me to lay a few people off. - I'm sure he does. 1247 01:24:09,343 --> 01:24:12,390 Let's do our first show about the downfall of television. 1248 01:24:15,604 --> 01:24:18,986 - Senate's gonna vote to censure McCarthy tomorrow. - Probably. 1249 01:24:19,111 --> 01:24:22,242 - And then what happens? - He sits in the back row. - Right. 1250 01:24:22,659 --> 01:24:26,792 - They keep him in the Senate. They don't kick him out. - No, he stays. 1251 01:24:37,479 --> 01:24:39,649 Well, we might as well go down swinging. 1252 01:24:43,699 --> 01:24:46,537 Did you know the most trusted man in America is Milton Berle? 1253 01:24:46,704 --> 01:24:48,583 See, you should have worn a dress! 1254 01:24:50,378 --> 01:24:52,966 - Howd does a Scotch sound? - Scotch sounds good. 1255 01:24:54,051 --> 01:24:56,514 - Did you know Joe and Shirley were married? - Sure. 1256 01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:58,643 - Did everyone know? - Pretty much. 1257 01:24:58,810 --> 01:25:01,524 We are proud because from the beginning of this nation... 1258 01:25:02,025 --> 01:25:03,402 ...man can walk upright. 1259 01:25:06,157 --> 01:25:08,453 No matter who he is or who she is. 1260 01:25:09,330 --> 01:25:13,212 He can walk upright and meet his friend or his enemy. 1261 01:25:14,131 --> 01:25:17,178 And he does not fear that because that enemy... 1262 01:25:18,222 --> 01:25:20,267 ...may be in a position of great power... 1263 01:25:21,353 --> 01:25:26,070 ...that he can be suddenly thrown in jail... 1264 01:25:27,614 --> 01:25:31,121 ...to rott here without charges and with no recourse to justice. 1265 01:25:33,166 --> 01:25:36,214 We have the Habeas Corpus Act and we respect it. 1266 01:25:37,090 --> 01:25:40,221 I began by saying that our history will be what we makeit. 1267 01:25:41,098 --> 01:25:42,517 If we go on as we are... 1268 01:25:42,935 --> 01:25:46,441 ...then history will take its revenge, and retribution will not limp... 1269 01:25:46,483 --> 01:25:47,986 ...in catching up with us. 1270 01:25:49,489 --> 01:25:53,454 Just once in a while, let us exalt the importance of ideas and information. 1271 01:25:54,832 --> 01:25:58,297 Let us dream to the extent of saying that on a given Sunday night... 1272 01:25:58,422 --> 01:26:00,593 ...the time normally occupied by Ed Sullivan... 1273 01:26:00,718 --> 01:26:04,559 ...is given over to a clinical survey on the state of American education. 1274 01:26:04,684 --> 01:26:08,023 And a week or two later, the time normally used by Steve Allen... 1275 01:26:08,107 --> 01:26:12,365 ...is devoted to a thorough-going study of American policy in the Middle East. 1276 01:26:13,408 --> 01:26:16,915 Would the corporate image of their respective sponsors be damaged? 1277 01:26:17,207 --> 01:26:20,338 Would the shareholders rise up in their wrath and complain? 1278 01:26:21,257 --> 01:26:22,175 Would anything happen... 1279 01:26:22,300 --> 01:26:26,015 ...other than a few million people would have received a little illumination... 1280 01:26:26,141 --> 01:26:29,397 ...on subjects that may well determine the future of this country... 1281 01:26:29,522 --> 01:26:31,985 ...and therefore the future of the corporations? 1282 01:26:32,778 --> 01:26:36,201 To those who say, "People wouldn't look, they wouldn't be interested..." 1283 01:26:36,285 --> 01:26:39,207 "...they're tooc omplacent, indifferent and insulated"... 1284 01:26:39,457 --> 01:26:43,298 ...I can only reply: There is, in one reporter's opinion... 1285 01:26:43,799 --> 01:26:46,387 ...considerable evidence against that contention. 1286 01:26:47,472 --> 01:26:50,520 But even if they are right, what have they got to lose? 1287 01:26:50,770 --> 01:26:52,357 Because if they are right... 1288 01:26:52,440 --> 01:26:54,444 ...and this instrument is good for nothing... 1289 01:26:54,527 --> 01:26:57,032 ...but to entertain, amuse and insulate... 1290 01:26:57,825 --> 01:26:59,578 ...then the tube is flickering now... 1291 01:26:59,704 --> 01:27:02,793 ...and we will soon see that the whole struggle is lost. 1292 01:27:03,795 --> 01:27:05,256 This instrument can teach. 1293 01:27:05,673 --> 01:27:08,261 It can illuminate and it can even inspire. 1294 01:27:08,887 --> 01:27:13,020 But it can do so only to the extent that humans are determined to use it... 1295 01:27:13,020 --> 01:27:14,523 ...towards those ends. 1296 01:27:15,942 --> 01:27:18,489 Otherwise, it is merely wiresand lights... 1297 01:27:19,282 --> 01:27:20,367 ...in a box. 1298 01:27:23,456 --> 01:27:25,919 Good night, and good luck.