WEBVTT 00:02:34.623 --> 00:02:38.464 In 1935, Ed Murrow began his career with CBS. 00:02:39.257 --> 00:02:40.927 When World War Two broke out... 00:02:41.052 --> 00:02:43.849 ...his voice brought the battle of Britain home to us... 00:02:43.932 --> 00:02:46.312 ...through his "This Is London" radio series. 00:02:47.230 --> 00:02:48.733 He started with us all... 00:02:48.900 --> 00:02:52.281 ...many of us here tonight, when television was in its infancy... 00:02:52.407 --> 00:02:54.870 ...with the news documentary show, "See It Now'. 00:02:55.120 --> 00:02:56.748 He threw stones at giants. 00:02:57.917 --> 00:03:01.131 Segregation, exploitation of migrant workers... 00:03:01.424 --> 00:03:03.427 ...apartheid, J. Edgar Hoover... 00:03:04.346 --> 00:03:08.478 ...not the least of which, his historical fight with Senator McCarthy. 00:03:09.564 --> 00:03:13.237 He is the host of our enormously popular show "Person to Person"... 00:03:13.905 --> 00:03:16.744 ...and tonight he is here with his son, Casey... 00:03:17.203 --> 00:03:20.501 ...wife, Janet, and all of you who he's worked with... 00:03:20.877 --> 00:03:23.966 ...inspired, lectured, and taught. 00:03:25.051 --> 00:03:26.429 Ladies and gentlemen... 00:03:26.554 --> 00:03:30.561 ...the Radio-Television News Directors' Association and Foundation welcomes... 00:03:30.728 --> 00:03:32.899 ...Mr. Edward R. Murrow. 00:03:53.688 --> 00:03:55.734 This might just do nobody any good. 00:03:56.652 --> 00:04:00.409 At the end of this discourse a few people may accuse this reporter... 00:04:00.534 --> 00:04:02.705 ...of fouling his own comfortable nest... 00:04:03.206 --> 00:04:06.671 ...and your organization may be accused of having given hospitality... 00:04:06.754 --> 00:04:09.176 ...to heretical and even dangerous ideas. 00:04:10.219 --> 00:04:12.432 But the elaborate structure of networks... 00:04:12.557 --> 00:04:16.356 ...advertising agencies, and sponsors will not be shaken or altered. 00:04:17.274 --> 00:04:20.655 It is my desire, if not my duty, to try to talk to you journeymen... 00:04:20.781 --> 00:04:24.287 ...with some candor about what is happening to radio andtelevision. 00:04:24.371 --> 00:04:26.333 And if what I say is responsible... 00:04:26.792 --> 00:04:29.338 ...I alone am responsible for the saying ofit. 00:04:30.632 --> 00:04:32.720 Our history will be what we make of it. 00:04:33.680 --> 00:04:37.186 And if there are any historians about 50 or 100 years from now... 00:04:37.312 --> 00:04:38.898 ...and there should be preserved... 00:04:39.023 --> 00:04:41.778 ...the kinescopes of one week of all three networks... 00:04:42.279 --> 00:04:45.911 ...they will there find recorded in black and white, and in color... 00:04:46.537 --> 00:04:48.541 ...evidence of decadence, escapism... 00:04:48.708 --> 00:04:52.215 ...and insulation from the realities of the world in which we live. 00:04:52.799 --> 00:04:56.556 We are currently wealthy, fat, comfortable, and complacent. 00:04:57.433 --> 00:05:01.106 We have a built-in allergy to unpleasant or disturbing information. 00:05:01.357 --> 00:05:03.527 Our mass media reflect this. 00:05:04.613 --> 00:05:06.909 But unless we get up off our fat surpluses... 00:05:07.076 --> 00:05:09.497 ...and recognize that television in the main... 00:05:09.580 --> 00:05:13.713 ...is being used to distract, delude, amuse, and insulate us... 00:05:14.256 --> 00:05:16.594 ...then television and those who finance it... 00:05:16.719 --> 00:05:19.516 ...those who look at it and those who work at it... 00:05:19.933 --> 00:05:22.521 ...may see atotally different picture too late. 00:06:09.484 --> 00:06:12.657 Millie! Just the person I wanted to see! Come here! 00:06:22.467 --> 00:06:24.596 This goes at the top of the Roy Campanella piece. 00:06:24.763 --> 00:06:25.807 Yes! Give me a half an hour. 00:06:25.974 --> 00:06:27.769 I may need it a little quicker than that! 00:06:27.852 --> 00:06:30.900 - Can I get some coffee first? - Come on! Get me some coffee! 00:06:33.029 --> 00:06:34.197 Morning, Johnny! 00:06:34.281 --> 00:06:37.412 I have some new notes that go with the Tito footage for Fred. 00:06:37.579 --> 00:06:38.789 Fred's gonna be in in an hour. 00:06:38.873 --> 00:06:42.046 I already put them on his desk. Can you just make sure that... 00:06:42.171 --> 00:06:44.926 ...he doesn't look at the film until he reads the notes? 00:06:45.009 --> 00:06:46.345 - Yes. - Thank you. 00:06:46.763 --> 00:06:47.723 Hey, Joe! Shirley! 00:06:49.309 --> 00:06:51.689 - What's going on in here? - What do you mean? 00:06:51.814 --> 00:06:53.692 Two attractive people alone in the copy room! 00:06:53.818 --> 00:06:55.070 Don't tell Paley, he'll fire me. 00:06:55.195 --> 00:06:56.614 He'll fire both of us, Shirley. 00:06:56.740 --> 00:06:59.411 - Rules are made to be broken! - You can afford to say that. 00:07:04.129 --> 00:07:05.339 Let me see this. 00:07:09.013 --> 00:07:12.561 - It's simply a loyalty oath. - To CBS? - And to America. 00:07:12.853 --> 00:07:14.356 You promise to be a loyal American? 00:07:14.523 --> 00:07:16.652 I know. All of the reporters have signed this. 00:07:16.736 --> 00:07:18.405 Who are you promising this to? CBS? 00:07:18.531 --> 00:07:20.493 Fred signed it. Murrow signed it. 00:07:20.618 --> 00:07:21.995 - Murrow signed it? - Yeah. 00:07:23.456 --> 00:07:25.210 Are you now or have you ever been... 00:07:25.293 --> 00:07:27.547 I thought it was a joke, but there's a lot of pressure. 00:07:27.673 --> 00:07:30.136 ...on the Attorney General's list of subversive groups? 00:07:30.219 --> 00:07:32.432 - I don't know. - Let's think about it. 00:07:32.599 --> 00:07:36.105 What is it really saying? Is it a civil liberties issue or censorship? 00:07:36.189 --> 00:07:38.568 Am I simply stating to CBS that I'm not a Communist? 00:07:38.693 --> 00:07:40.906 - Murrow signed this? - And Fred and Stanton. 00:07:41.031 --> 00:07:44.120 - Maybe you should talk toMurrow. - Maybe I should sign it. 00:07:45.331 --> 00:07:48.128 If you don't sign this, are you and I a target? 00:07:50.507 --> 00:07:52.386 If I don'tsign it, they'll fire me. 00:07:58.940 --> 00:07:59.900 Sign it. 00:08:00.317 --> 00:08:02.488 Finally we can tell everyone the truth. 00:08:03.824 --> 00:08:07.205 If I could express it in what's in my heart now... 00:08:07.581 --> 00:08:11.964 ...I'd do it in the terms of the poet who once said... 00:08:12.507 --> 00:08:15.930 ..."Ah, 'tis but a dainty flower I bring to you." 00:08:16.932 --> 00:08:18.894 'Yes, 'tis but a violet..." 00:08:19.937 --> 00:08:21.357 "...glistening with dew." 00:08:22.400 --> 00:08:25.949 "But still in its heart there lie beauties concealed." 00:08:27.034 --> 00:08:28.704 "So in our heart..." 00:08:30.123 --> 00:08:31.626 "...our love for you..." 00:08:32.711 --> 00:08:35.258 "...lies unrevealed." 00:08:37.762 --> 00:08:38.848 I used to... 00:08:45.068 --> 00:08:50.119 ...pride myself on the idea that I was a bit... tough... 00:08:51.872 --> 00:08:58.092 ...especially over the past 19-19 months, when we've been... 00:08:58.718 --> 00:09:01.766 ...kicked around, and bullwhipped, and damned. 00:09:03.018 --> 00:09:04.396 I didnt think that... 00:09:06.692 --> 00:09:09.697 ...I could be... touched very deeply. 00:09:09.906 --> 00:09:12.160 Okay, that's enough. That's enough, Leo. 00:09:12.244 --> 00:09:14.248 - It's short. - Howlong is the piece? 00:09:14.331 --> 00:09:16.043 It's 4 minutes, but we can cut it down. 00:09:16.168 --> 00:09:18.923 It cant stand alone, but it might be a nice companion piece. 00:09:19.090 --> 00:09:21.386 Let's go through this one more time. Palmer! 00:09:21.553 --> 00:09:24.767 Yep, got a call from the office of Senator Morse this morning... 00:09:24.934 --> 00:09:28.023 ...interested in setting up a debate possibly with Senator Kerr... 00:09:28.149 --> 00:09:30.570 ...over the comments Bentsen made on last night's show. 00:09:30.737 --> 00:09:33.909 Secretary of Agriculture? Good idea! Can they do it by this week? 00:09:33.993 --> 00:09:36.581 No, it would have to be 2 weeks at the earliest... 00:09:36.706 --> 00:09:39.962 ...depending on Morse's schedule. But still it's a great idea. 00:09:40.088 --> 00:09:43.427 Let's follow up on that. "Hoover speaks on Benjamin Franklin." 00:09:43.552 --> 00:09:46.642 We're having better luck with Mr. Benjamin Frankin... 00:09:46.725 --> 00:09:47.894 ...than with Mr. Hoover. 00:09:48.061 --> 00:09:50.482 It may progress better as a "Person to Person". 00:09:50.607 --> 00:09:53.070 "At home with Ben Frankin. His electricity awards." 00:09:53.154 --> 00:09:55.074 We've got the footage, we need to contact him. 00:09:55.116 --> 00:09:58.873 See if you can contact him and get the shot. He wants to do the story. Joe! 00:09:58.915 --> 00:10:00.626 Member Delbert Clark? No longer with us. 00:10:00.751 --> 00:10:03.340 - New York Times? - Yeah. - Our friend at the Times. 00:10:03.381 --> 00:10:06.095 This was yesterday morning, they're saying it's... 00:10:06.387 --> 00:10:09.852 - How old was he? - 53. Sudden illness. 00:10:09.977 --> 00:10:12.732 - Home of a friend. - No, it's not a nobit piece. 00:10:12.857 --> 00:10:15.320 Natalie send some flowers over there from us. 00:10:15.821 --> 00:10:18.201 Couple things. Case before the Supreme Court... 00:10:18.284 --> 00:10:22.167 ...involving the constitutionality of a section of the Internal Security Act... 00:10:22.208 --> 00:10:24.212 ...provides for the deportation of any alien... 00:10:24.337 --> 00:10:26.967 ...if he becomes a Communist after entering this country. 00:10:27.593 --> 00:10:28.637 Can you take this? 00:10:28.804 --> 00:10:31.309 All right. McCarthy interrupting his wedding trip... 00:10:31.434 --> 00:10:34.899 ...to take charge of the investigation of Communist infiltration... 00:10:34.982 --> 00:10:37.403 - Natalie, send some flowers. - Poor Mrs. McCarthy! 00:10:37.487 --> 00:10:39.658 May I finish? It's national security! 00:10:39.699 --> 00:10:42.455 - A real ladies' man! - Well, they're in love. 00:10:43.039 --> 00:10:47.339 We have no show for Tuesday, fellows. So get out there and make some news. 00:10:48.257 --> 00:10:51.597 Rob a bank. Mug an old lady. Do something. 00:10:52.390 --> 00:10:55.020 - You look at the Secretary Stevens footage? - We will. 00:10:55.145 --> 00:10:57.608 Watch it all the way to the end, it's worth it. 00:10:59.236 --> 00:11:00.405 Thank you, John. 00:11:01.407 --> 00:11:02.701 There's notmuch there. 00:11:02.826 --> 00:11:06.333 I can't tie it to the Eisenhower in the back of the train piece. 00:11:06.667 --> 00:11:09.965 - You ever spend any time in Detroit, Fred? - Not recently. 00:11:11.384 --> 00:11:14.598 There's a story here in the Detroit News, Dexter, Michigan. 00:11:15.391 --> 00:11:17.395 A kid named Milo Radulovich. 00:11:19.065 --> 00:11:22.780 - Italian? - Irish. Air Force kicked him out because his dad... 00:11:22.905 --> 00:11:27.497 ...reads ome Serbian newspaper. - Was he a Communist? - I don't know. 00:11:27.623 --> 00:11:29.418 - Who brought the charges? - Air Force. 00:11:30.253 --> 00:11:32.841 Charges were in a sealed envelope, nobody saw them. 00:11:33.008 --> 00:11:36.222 - Not even at the hearing? - He was declared guilty without a trial... 00:11:36.347 --> 00:11:38.059 ...and told if he wanted to keep his job... 00:11:38.184 --> 00:11:41.440 ...he had to denounce his father and his sister. Thank you, Natalie. 00:11:41.565 --> 00:11:44.028 - His sister? - He told them to take a hike. 00:11:45.740 --> 00:11:49.288 Let's send Joe and Charlie down there, see if he's any good on camera. 00:11:49.497 --> 00:11:51.709 Is he being brought before the Committee? 00:11:52.461 --> 00:11:53.379 No. 00:11:54.590 --> 00:11:55.967 Then it's not McCarthy. 00:11:57.637 --> 00:11:58.597 Isn't it? 00:12:04.692 --> 00:12:06.195 Milo Radulovich. 00:12:10.536 --> 00:12:11.914 What happens to your children... 00:12:12.039 --> 00:12:14.836 ...your 5-year-old and your 5-month-old in terms of you? 00:12:14.961 --> 00:12:17.925 If I am being judged on my relatives... 00:12:18.969 --> 00:12:24.020 ...are my children going to be asked to denounce me? 00:12:24.145 --> 00:12:28.153 Are they going to be judged on what their father was labeled? 00:12:28.904 --> 00:12:33.830 Are they going to have to explain to their friends, etc... 00:12:33.955 --> 00:12:36.251 ...why their father is a security risk? 00:12:37.295 --> 00:12:41.929 If the thing is let stand as it, the first recommendation... 00:12:42.221 --> 00:12:46.395 ...was sent out by the board, I see a chain reaction that... 00:12:47.188 --> 00:12:49.484 ...has no end to anybody, for anybody. 00:12:56.164 --> 00:12:57.541 Well, that's new. 00:12:58.752 --> 00:13:00.338 You can't call this a neutral piece. 00:13:00.463 --> 00:13:03.719 The other side's been represented rather well for the last 2 years. 00:13:03.845 --> 00:13:05.389 The Air Force hasn't gone on the record. 00:13:05.515 --> 00:13:08.562 So you want to forego the standards you've stuck to for 15 years... 00:13:08.645 --> 00:13:09.856 ...both sides, no commentary. 00:13:09.981 --> 00:13:12.903 - We all editorialize. - I'm just making sure we identify what... 00:13:13.029 --> 00:13:14.615 We're giving them the information up front... 00:13:14.740 --> 00:13:16.285 ...and we're asking them to comment on it. 00:13:16.410 --> 00:13:17.495 Frank, hold on. 00:13:18.247 --> 00:13:19.917 I've searched my conscience. 00:13:20.083 --> 00:13:23.256 I can't for the life of me find any justification for this. 00:13:23.340 --> 00:13:26.220 I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story... 00:13:26.345 --> 00:13:28.349 ...two equal and logical sides to an argument. 00:13:28.516 --> 00:13:31.396 - Call it editorializing, if you'd like. - It is editorializing. 00:13:31.522 --> 00:13:33.233 They'll have equal time to defend themselves. 00:13:33.275 --> 00:13:35.404 Do you understand the position you're putting us in? 00:13:35.446 --> 00:13:38.451 We are all in this together, if the Senate wants to investigate... 00:13:38.576 --> 00:13:39.537 Do me a favor... 00:13:39.662 --> 00:13:42.918 ...avoid any big speeches about how we're all in a big boat together! 00:13:43.043 --> 00:13:44.296 Please, don't insult me. 00:13:44.796 --> 00:13:48.887 I have to go back to Mr. Paley and Alcoa, who sponsors your show... 00:13:49.472 --> 00:13:51.768 ...and also have some military contracts... 00:13:51.851 --> 00:13:55.024 ...and I have to tell them that they're going to be in a tough bind... 00:13:55.149 --> 00:13:57.153 ...because of a beef you had with Joe McCarthy. 00:13:57.320 --> 00:14:00.367 - We're not going at McCarthy. - You're starting the goddamn fire. 00:14:00.493 --> 00:14:03.790 Excuse me. Mr. Friendly, there's a Colonel Anderson to see you? 00:14:03.999 --> 00:14:07.422 - Colonel? - He's in your office. There are two of them. 00:14:09.259 --> 00:14:12.473 Maybe they liked the transcript, and want to compliment us on it. 00:14:13.100 --> 00:14:14.143 Excuse me. 00:14:22.283 --> 00:14:25.039 Go after Joe Kennedy. We'll pay for it. 00:14:25.540 --> 00:14:27.627 I've got a great story about Hoover. 00:14:31.634 --> 00:14:34.097 You know how many shows you're going to have to do... 00:14:34.181 --> 00:14:37.186 ...to make up for this? - And Judy and her daughter Liza next week. 00:14:37.312 --> 00:14:39.399 No, no. You're interviewing Rin Tin Tin! 00:14:44.492 --> 00:14:45.995 I'll talk to Mr. Paley. 00:14:48.625 --> 00:14:50.461 Alcoa wont pay for the ads. 00:14:51.505 --> 00:14:55.053 And we probably wont either. But nobody'll stop you. 00:14:55.220 --> 00:14:56.347 How much are the ads? 00:14:58.643 --> 00:15:01.816 - 3,000. - I'll split it with Fred. 00:15:03.444 --> 00:15:06.700 He just won't have Christmas presents for his kids this year. 00:15:07.118 --> 00:15:10.248 - He's a Jew. - Don't tell him that, he loves Christmas. 00:15:19.432 --> 00:15:22.354 - To be clear, you did speak with the lawyers? - Yes, we did. 00:15:22.480 --> 00:15:25.736 And we read the transcript. We've not been allowed to see the footage. 00:15:25.861 --> 00:15:28.908 Mack is on a plane from Dexter right now with the last interviews. 00:15:29.034 --> 00:15:30.745 We'll be going right down to the wire. 00:15:30.912 --> 00:15:35.504 Your show airs tomorrow. How can we possibly approve and check... 00:15:35.671 --> 00:15:39.345 ...your story in the limited amount of time you have given us? 00:15:39.470 --> 00:15:43.143 With all due respect, you have been invited to participate in this piece... 00:15:43.227 --> 00:15:44.563 ...not to approve it. 00:15:45.189 --> 00:15:48.236 We are going with the story that says that the U.S. Air Force... 00:15:48.362 --> 00:15:50.866 ...tried Milo Radulovich without any evidence... 00:15:50.991 --> 00:15:53.580 ...and found him guilty of being a security risk... 00:15:53.705 --> 00:15:57.253 ...without his Constitutional rights... - You have not seen the evidence... 00:15:57.420 --> 00:15:59.716 ...and are claiming he's not a security risk. 00:15:59.841 --> 00:16:03.891 Wouldn't you guess that those who have seen the contents of that envelope... 00:16:04.016 --> 00:16:07.982 ...might have a better idea of what makes someone a danger to his country? 00:16:08.149 --> 00:16:11.405 - Who? Who? - Or do you think it should just be you that decides? 00:16:11.530 --> 00:16:14.118 Who are the people? Are they elected? Are they appointed? 00:16:14.243 --> 00:16:16.915 Do they have an axe to grind? Is it you, sir? 00:16:17.166 --> 00:16:21.424 Or you, Colonel Jenkns? Do you know the contents of that sealed envelope? 00:16:22.384 --> 00:16:27.936 We have been a friend and ally of both Mr. Murrow and CBS News for many years. 00:16:28.520 --> 00:16:31.776 The story you are going to run tomorrow is without merit. 00:16:32.361 --> 00:16:35.408 So before you take any steps that cannot be undone... 00:16:35.867 --> 00:16:38.581 ...I strongly urge you to reconsider your stand. 00:16:39.249 --> 00:16:42.630 These are very dangerous waters you are attempting to navigate. 00:16:48.766 --> 00:16:54.569 We have had no hearing at all. We have had noday in court. 00:16:55.028 --> 00:16:59.119 In all the 32 years that I have been a practicing attorney in Detroit... 00:16:59.328 --> 00:17:03.878 ...I have never witnessed such a farce and travesty upon justice... 00:17:03.962 --> 00:17:06.007 ...as this thing has developed. 00:17:06.258 --> 00:17:09.013 - Now this whole theory... - Eddie, just take the first reel. 00:17:09.138 --> 00:17:11.100 Tell John I left 5 seconds extra leader. 00:17:11.225 --> 00:17:14.523 5 seconds! I got it! Palmer, where's Joe? Have you seen Joe? 00:17:14.690 --> 00:17:15.901 He's on his way to the control room. 00:17:16.026 --> 00:17:17.696 We're gonna have to do the voice-over live. 00:17:17.863 --> 00:17:19.574 Natalie, I need a booth with a live mic. 00:17:19.699 --> 00:17:20.910 Booth is there, it's already set. 00:17:21.077 --> 00:17:23.164 We didn't have time to sync the voice-over out. 00:17:23.415 --> 00:17:25.043 That's not what I asked for. 00:17:26.754 --> 00:17:28.716 It's missing the voice-over on the last piece. 00:17:28.842 --> 00:17:30.887 There's a commercial in the booth. What shall I do? 00:17:31.012 --> 00:17:33.767 - 2 minutes to air! - There's not supposed to be a commercial! 00:17:33.893 --> 00:17:35.145 Get himout of the booth! 00:17:38.735 --> 00:17:40.948 2-and-a-half minutes on the end piece. 00:17:42.116 --> 00:17:44.788 Keep it down, please. It's a little loud. 00:17:44.955 --> 00:17:46.207 2 minutes to air, fellas. 00:17:47.585 --> 00:17:50.966 - He's gonna add a joke. - Charlie, loan me your lighter. 00:17:52.887 --> 00:17:56.143 Make sure you know that I swap with those two pieces of parents. 00:17:56.310 --> 00:17:59.232 - As long as he talks fast because... - He will talk fast. 00:18:04.408 --> 00:18:05.494 We got the film. 00:18:06.746 --> 00:18:07.957 Will it be ready? 00:18:08.541 --> 00:18:09.585 You bet. 00:18:15.596 --> 00:18:16.807 Funny thing, Freddy! 00:18:17.307 --> 00:18:20.522 Every time you light a cigarette for me, I know you're lying. 00:18:35.174 --> 00:18:38.096 It occurs t ome we might not get away with this one. 00:18:44.442 --> 00:18:47.489 Alcoa, the aluminum company of America... 00:18:47.489 --> 00:18:49.660 - 10 seconds. - You fellas, ready? Okay. 00:18:49.952 --> 00:18:51.288 Ready on camera 1. 00:18:58.217 --> 00:19:02.517 5, 4,3, 2. 00:19:05.398 --> 00:19:06.650 Pan, camera 1. 00:19:08.278 --> 00:19:09.238 Good evening. 00:19:09.697 --> 00:19:13.329 A few weeks ago there occurred a few obscure notices in the newspapers... 00:19:13.413 --> 00:19:15.208 ...about Milo Radulovich... 00:19:15.625 --> 00:19:17.796 ...a lieutenant in the Air Force Reserves. 00:19:18.172 --> 00:19:21.803 And, also, something about Air Force regulation 35-62... 00:19:22.722 --> 00:19:26.228 ...which states that a man may be regarded as a security risk... 00:19:26.395 --> 00:19:29.610 ...if he has close and continuing association with Communists... 00:19:29.735 --> 00:19:32.365 ...or people believed to have Communist sympathies. 00:19:33.283 --> 00:19:36.790 Lieutenant Radulovich was asked to resign in August. He declined. 00:19:37.082 --> 00:19:39.253 A board was called and heard his case. 00:19:39.420 --> 00:19:43.052 At the end it was recommended that he be severed from the Air Force... 00:19:43.135 --> 00:19:46.475 ...although it was also stated that there was no question whatever... 00:19:46.600 --> 00:19:48.437 ...as to the Lieutenant's loyalty. 00:19:48.604 --> 00:19:50.941 We propose to examine, in so far as we can... 00:19:51.067 --> 00:19:53.196 ...the case of Lieutenant Radulovich. 00:19:53.488 --> 00:19:56.243 Our reporter, Joe Wershba, cameraman, Charlie Mack. 00:19:57.203 --> 00:20:00.125 This is the town of Dexter, Michigan. Population 1500. 00:20:00.543 --> 00:20:03.799 This statue is at the end of Ann Arbor Street erected by... 00:20:03.924 --> 00:20:05.886 What did the General tell you yesterday? 00:20:06.095 --> 00:20:09.309 - A Colonel. There were two of them. - That makes a General. 00:20:09.434 --> 00:20:10.770 They weren't too pleased. 00:20:11.730 --> 00:20:13.609 You're gonna get audited this year. 00:20:14.026 --> 00:20:17.115 Not me, you. I told them I didn't want to do the story. 00:20:18.493 --> 00:20:21.081 - You always were yellow. - Better than red. 00:20:28.303 --> 00:20:29.347 In 10 seconds. 00:20:33.855 --> 00:20:36.443 This is the sister, Margaret Radulovich Fishman. 00:20:36.861 --> 00:20:39.950 She neither defends nor explains her political activities. 00:20:40.242 --> 00:20:45.001 I feel that my activities, be what they may... 00:20:45.126 --> 00:20:48.048 ...or my political beliefs are my own private affair. 00:20:48.549 --> 00:20:53.726 Are my children going to be asked to denounce me? 00:20:53.851 --> 00:20:57.900 Are they going to be judged on what their father was labeled? 00:20:58.443 --> 00:21:03.327 Are they going to have to explain to their friends, etc... 00:21:03.494 --> 00:21:05.498 ...why their father is a security risk? 00:21:06.416 --> 00:21:11.342 I see, absolutely, that this is a chain reaction. 00:21:11.634 --> 00:21:15.976 If the thing is let stand as it, the first recommendation... 00:21:16.101 --> 00:21:20.359 ...was sent out by the board I see a chain reaction... 00:21:20.484 --> 00:21:23.907 ...that has no end to anybody, for anybody. 00:21:24.826 --> 00:21:27.873 Perhaps you will permit me to read a few sentences... 00:21:27.998 --> 00:21:31.087 ...because I would like to say rather precisely what I mean. 00:21:31.505 --> 00:21:34.177 We have told the Air Force that we will provide facilities... 00:21:34.302 --> 00:21:37.391 ...for any comments, criticisms, or corrections it may wish to make... 00:21:37.433 --> 00:21:39.520 ...as to the case of Milo Radulovich. 00:21:40.856 --> 00:21:44.279 We are unable to judge the charges against his father or sister... 00:21:44.404 --> 00:21:47.744 ...because neither we, nor you, nor they, nor the lawyers... 00:21:47.785 --> 00:21:51.835 ...nor the Lieutenant, know what was contained in that manila envelope. 00:21:52.544 --> 00:21:55.759 Was it hearsay, rumor, gossip, slander... 00:21:56.051 --> 00:22:00.017 ...or hard ascertainable facts that could be backed by credible witnesses? 00:22:00.392 --> 00:22:01.603 We do not know. 00:22:02.480 --> 00:22:05.736 We believe the son shall not bear the iniquity of the father. 00:22:05.861 --> 00:22:09.368 Even though that iniquity be proved and in this case it was not. 00:22:10.328 --> 00:22:13.709 But we believe too that this case illustrates the urgent need... 00:22:13.709 --> 00:22:17.675 ...for the Armed Forces to communicate more fully than they have so far done... 00:22:17.800 --> 00:22:20.180 ...the procedures and regulations to be followed... 00:22:20.263 --> 00:22:22.684 ...in attempting to protect the national security... 00:22:22.851 --> 00:22:25.523 ...and the rights of the individual at the same time. 00:22:26.608 --> 00:22:29.322 Whatever happens in this area of the relationship... 00:22:29.489 --> 00:22:31.492 ...between the individual and the state... 00:22:31.618 --> 00:22:33.162 ...we will do it ourselves... 00:22:33.788 --> 00:22:38.213 ...it cannot be blamed on Malenkov or Mao Tse-Tung or even our allies. 00:22:38.965 --> 00:22:42.304 And, it seems to us, Fred Friendly and myself... 00:22:42.805 --> 00:22:46.312 ...that this is a subject that should be argued about endlessly. 00:22:47.982 --> 00:22:49.735 Good night, and good luck. 00:22:56.623 --> 00:22:57.792 And we'reout. 00:24:33.722 --> 00:24:34.181 May I tell you something about yourself... 00:24:34.181 --> 00:24:35.851 May I tellyou something about yourself... 00:24:35.976 --> 00:24:38.314 ...as a member of the "Person to Person" audience? 00:24:38.439 --> 00:24:40.442 Based on audience research studies... 00:24:41.069 --> 00:24:44.617 ...you are well above average in education and intelligence. 00:24:45.201 --> 00:24:48.374 Your interests are wide, from world affairs and science... 00:24:48.583 --> 00:24:50.378 ...to sports and show business. 00:24:50.712 --> 00:24:53.926 And you have one characteristic that's rather encouraging to me... 00:24:54.051 --> 00:24:57.934 ...and that's the fact that you are not easily persuaded by advertising. 00:24:58.727 --> 00:25:01.482 The makers of Kent considered all these characteristics... 00:25:01.607 --> 00:25:03.736 ...when they chose Mr. Murrow'sprogram... 00:25:03.861 --> 00:25:05.322 ...to tell you about Kent. 00:25:05.698 --> 00:25:10.749 Of all leading filter cigarettes, Kent filter's best. 00:25:11.000 --> 00:25:14.131 If you try Kent with that in mind, I think you'll agree... 00:25:14.214 --> 00:25:17.387 ...with many other thinking people who havec hanged to Kent. 00:25:17.804 --> 00:25:22.688 They find that it makes good sense to smoke Kent and good smoking, too. 00:25:23.649 --> 00:25:26.863 - Did you get the changes? - Edward Murrow, "Person to Person"... 00:25:27.030 --> 00:25:30.870 ...on the CBS Television Network. - No, no. You there? Okay. We got it. 00:25:30.996 --> 00:25:32.498 Now back to Ed Murrow. 00:25:33.793 --> 00:25:36.673 Not since the silent movies and the idols they produced... 00:25:36.840 --> 00:25:40.513 ...has Hollywood witnessed the sort of pilgrimage that is now going on. 00:25:41.014 --> 00:25:44.646 Each day, oblivious to time, weather, and the state of the world... 00:25:44.813 --> 00:25:48.654 ...sightseers head in the direction of California's San Fernando Valley. 00:25:49.196 --> 00:25:52.327 For there, at the end of the tourist line, is Sherman Oaks... 00:25:52.453 --> 00:25:55.834 ...and the home Liberace has built for himself and his mother. 00:25:56.001 --> 00:25:59.800 This is the front and nobody knows how many people have seen that view. 00:26:00.468 --> 00:26:03.682 This is the back of the house and that's Liberace's bedroom. 00:26:04.767 --> 00:26:06.855 - Good evening, Lee. - Good evening, Ed. 00:26:07.021 --> 00:26:11.739 - What are you doing? - I'm dictating my weekly syndicated newspaper column... 00:26:12.240 --> 00:26:18.794 ...and on my trusty tape recorder here, I'm also dictating a book. 00:26:18.919 --> 00:26:21.257 - It's an inspirational book. - Lee, what about you? 00:26:21.382 --> 00:26:24.346 Have you given much thought to getting married and settling down? 00:26:24.346 --> 00:26:26.934 Actually, I've given a lot of thought to it... 00:26:27.101 --> 00:26:31.025 ...but I don't believe in getting married just for the sake of getting married. 00:26:31.108 --> 00:26:33.780 I want to someday find the perfect mate... 00:26:34.156 --> 00:26:38.247 ...and settle down to what I hope will be a marriage that will be blessed... 00:26:38.414 --> 00:26:41.002 ...by faith and will be a lasting union. 00:26:41.503 --> 00:26:46.220 I was reading about lovely young Princess Margaret... 00:26:46.846 --> 00:26:49.476 ...and she's lookng for her dream man, too... 00:26:50.061 --> 00:26:52.064 ...and I hope she finds him someday. 00:26:53.442 --> 00:26:57.241 Uh-huh. Lee, thanks very much for letting us come and visit you. 00:26:57.324 --> 00:26:58.493 It's been very pleasant. 00:26:58.618 --> 00:27:00.664 And will you say goodnight to your family for us? 00:27:00.789 --> 00:27:02.501 - I certainly will. - Thanks a lot. 00:27:02.626 --> 00:27:04.463 - Good night, Ed. - Good night, Lee. 00:27:05.965 --> 00:27:08.595 Next week, we'll take you to Beverly Hills, California... 00:27:08.721 --> 00:27:11.350 ...to the house of Mickey Rooney and his newbride. 00:27:11.517 --> 00:27:14.106 Until then, good night, and good luck. 00:27:20.367 --> 00:27:21.954 Good show, Mr. Murrow! 00:27:45.206 --> 00:27:46.458 Excuse me, Mr. Murrow. 00:27:46.583 --> 00:27:49.171 Could you take a look at this and sign it for me, please? 00:27:49.255 --> 00:27:52.427 Thank you. Dr. Stanton would like to have a drink with you. 00:27:52.553 --> 00:27:54.556 - When? - Now. He's at the Pentagon Bar. 00:27:54.598 --> 00:27:56.811 I can't. What the hell is he doing there? 00:27:56.894 --> 00:27:59.775 - I believe he's waiting for you. - Just call him! - Fine. 00:27:59.900 --> 00:28:02.571 - Oppenheimer next week. - It's a good show, Ed. 00:28:04.367 --> 00:28:05.744 - Hey, Don! - Ed! 00:28:06.829 --> 00:28:08.165 You're getting good at this! 00:28:08.708 --> 00:28:10.503 They're gonna think you like it! 00:28:10.753 --> 00:28:12.966 Pays the bills. How are you, Don? 00:28:14.302 --> 00:28:15.304 Ah, it's... 00:28:16.807 --> 00:28:17.975 ...day today. 00:28:18.769 --> 00:28:21.649 If she saw how good you look right now, she'd be back. 00:28:23.235 --> 00:28:25.615 You tell her that if you see her, will you? 00:28:27.201 --> 00:28:30.290 - I read the O'Brian piece. - Yeah, it's tough. 00:28:31.167 --> 00:28:33.671 I'm a pinko. I slant the news. 00:28:34.840 --> 00:28:37.637 I'm just waiting for him to say my wife left me too. 00:28:37.929 --> 00:28:40.852 - Nobody worth their salt reads him. - You read him. 00:28:41.436 --> 00:28:43.106 Well, see, I rest my case. 00:28:44.817 --> 00:28:49.075 - Does Paley read him? - Bill Paley's not gonna do anything. 00:28:52.290 --> 00:28:53.292 Thanks, Ed. 00:28:54.753 --> 00:28:58.009 I just came by to tell you how great the Lieutenant piece was. 00:28:58.134 --> 00:29:01.265 - Thanks. - How's the fallout? - Mostly good, surprisingly. 00:29:01.515 --> 00:29:04.271 Is this the start? Are you taking sides? 00:29:06.900 --> 00:29:09.906 It's just a little poke with a stick, see what happens. 00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:11.826 You let me know if I can help. 00:29:12.077 --> 00:29:13.496 But you're a pinko. 00:29:16.251 --> 00:29:17.462 I'll see you. 00:29:33.534 --> 00:29:36.164 Hey, Joe! What's all this Radulovich junk you're putting out? 00:29:36.289 --> 00:29:39.211 I can't talk to you now. I have to get this film back to New York. 00:29:39.336 --> 00:29:40.589 What would you say if I told you... 00:29:40.714 --> 00:29:43.302 ...that Murrow was on the Soviet payroll in 1935? 00:29:45.473 --> 00:29:48.562 - Uh! Charlie, you wanna... - Sure. I'll set up outside. 00:29:50.691 --> 00:29:52.235 McCarthy going tot he Eisenhower dinner? 00:29:52.361 --> 00:29:55.909 - I have no idea. Id on't keep the Senator's calendar for him! - Really? 00:30:00.083 --> 00:30:03.757 Have you ever seen any spy films? You don't hand me a classified folder! 00:30:03.882 --> 00:30:05.970 You're supposed to slip it into my briefcase! 00:30:06.053 --> 00:30:09.226 I didnt know who to give this information to, Paley or Murrow. 00:30:09.351 --> 00:30:12.899 As you can imagine, Fred and I aren't very friendly. No pun intended. 00:30:13.317 --> 00:30:14.778 No pun elocuted. 00:30:18.284 --> 00:30:20.246 - What do you got, Donald? - In short? 00:30:20.539 --> 00:30:23.210 Murrows been a Communist sympathizer since the 1930's. 00:30:23.335 --> 00:30:26.842 Member of the International Workers, sponsored educational trips to Moscow... 00:30:27.009 --> 00:30:29.472 ...and on the Sovietpayroll in 1935. It's all there. 00:30:29.597 --> 00:30:31.476 You wanna know why that's not possible? 00:30:31.601 --> 00:30:33.104 Why you'll lose this one? 00:30:33.563 --> 00:30:35.441 Because everyone in this country... 00:30:35.567 --> 00:30:38.656 ...knows that Ed Murrow is a loyal American, he's apatriot. 00:30:40.743 --> 00:30:43.415 Did you know the word "gullible" isn't in the dictionary? 00:30:43.540 --> 00:30:46.504 - Can I give this to him? - I'd love it! I have copies! 00:30:49.676 --> 00:30:51.179 I think you guys go too far. 00:30:51.555 --> 00:30:53.851 Well, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck. 00:31:00.697 --> 00:31:02.075 Yes, Mr. Paley. 00:31:03.118 --> 00:31:04.663 Right away. Yes, sir. 00:31:06.374 --> 00:31:07.877 No, he hasn't called. 00:31:09.130 --> 00:31:12.970 Yes, sir, the second he calls. If you're in a meeting, shall I? 00:31:14.348 --> 00:31:16.185 Yes, sir. Of course, sir. 00:31:18.940 --> 00:31:20.025 Mr. Murrow! 00:31:20.943 --> 00:31:22.613 Mr. Paley will see you now. 00:31:26.496 --> 00:31:30.169 - Mr. Paley, Mr. Murrow is here. - Thanks, Miss Mary. 00:31:30.879 --> 00:31:33.550 - Hello, Ed. - Bill... - Sit over here, will you? 00:31:34.469 --> 00:31:35.471 How's Janet? 00:31:35.972 --> 00:31:38.351 - Your son? - All well, thanks. How's Babe? 00:31:38.518 --> 00:31:41.607 She's fine. Her fundraiser got rained on, so... 00:31:42.108 --> 00:31:44.989 - Oh! That's why I never plan on anything. - Really? 00:31:46.533 --> 00:31:47.744 You'd never know. 00:31:51.626 --> 00:31:52.920 Reading fiction? 00:31:53.546 --> 00:31:55.425 I hope so. You tell me. 00:31:56.928 --> 00:31:58.639 Now we know how they're gonna come at us. 00:31:58.764 --> 00:32:01.686 That's just the first shot. Somebody's going to go down. 00:32:01.812 --> 00:32:04.400 Have you checked your facts? Are you on safe ground? 00:32:06.738 --> 00:32:09.535 - Bill, it's time. Show our cards. - My cards. 00:32:10.411 --> 00:32:14.293 You lose, what happens? 5 guys find themselves out of work. 00:32:14.711 --> 00:32:18.969 I'm responsible for a lot more than 5 goddamn reporters. Let it go. 00:32:20.680 --> 00:32:22.851 McCarthy will self-destruct, Cohn, all of them. 00:32:22.976 --> 00:32:25.398 You said Corporate would not interfere with Editorial... 00:32:25.481 --> 00:32:26.984 ...and that the News was to be left... 00:32:27.109 --> 00:32:28.904 We don't make the news, we report the news. 00:32:28.988 --> 00:32:31.701 He's marked as Communists. 00:32:31.868 --> 00:32:33.872 If he goes too far, the Senate will investigate him... 00:32:33.955 --> 00:32:34.915 ...and we will report on that. 00:32:35.041 --> 00:32:38.297 He oversteps people's civil liberties. 00:32:38.422 --> 00:32:39.507 And you're trying him in the press? 00:32:39.633 --> 00:32:41.511 Does he get the right to face his accuser? 00:32:41.678 --> 00:32:44.141 You've decided on this and you're presenting it as fact. 00:32:44.266 --> 00:32:46.562 - What I am doing... - I write your check. 00:32:46.688 --> 00:32:50.528 I put you in your country house, and I put your son through school! 00:32:50.987 --> 00:32:54.536 You should have told me about this before it went so far down the road! 00:33:06.057 --> 00:33:09.898 Everyone of your boys needs to be clean. Do you understand? No ties. 00:33:10.148 --> 00:33:14.782 If Aaron's mother went to a group fundraiser in 1932, he's out. 00:33:14.907 --> 00:33:18.706 Hewitt, too. Anyone in that room. You make no mistake... 00:33:18.873 --> 00:33:22.421 ...I will cut them loose. Corporate won't interfere with Editorial. 00:33:22.546 --> 00:33:25.928 But Editorial will not jeopardize the hundreds of employees... 00:33:26.053 --> 00:33:29.309 ...of the CBS. Do I make myself clear? 00:33:30.687 --> 00:33:31.939 Yes? 00:33:37.449 --> 00:33:40.705 Fellas, our next show is gonna be about Senator McCarthy. 00:33:41.874 --> 00:33:43.586 And we'regonna go right at him. 00:33:44.296 --> 00:33:47.051 I don't need to tell you how careful we have to be. 00:33:47.134 --> 00:33:50.307 If we are to do this, Ed and I need you to be straight with us. 00:33:50.432 --> 00:33:52.603 We need to know, for the good of the piece... 00:33:52.728 --> 00:33:56.485 ...if any of you have any connection, if you subscribed to a newsletter... 00:33:56.610 --> 00:33:58.531 ...if you attended a party, anything... 00:33:58.614 --> 00:34:01.787 ...anything that could compromise this, anything at all... 00:34:02.246 --> 00:34:04.542 ...because now would be the time to tell us. 00:34:09.969 --> 00:34:12.014 Ed, I think I should excuse myself. 00:34:12.974 --> 00:34:14.394 Palmer, you kidding? 00:34:15.396 --> 00:34:17.900 My ex was a... I wouldn't say she was a Communist... 00:34:18.025 --> 00:34:21.115 ...but she attended meetings. It was before we were married. 00:34:21.240 --> 00:34:24.120 I didn't even really know about it until after the divorce. 00:34:24.746 --> 00:34:27.669 But it was different then. We were all on the same side. 00:34:29.213 --> 00:34:32.135 I'm not telling you anything you don't know. The thing is... 00:34:32.260 --> 00:34:33.680 ...somebody'll find out. 00:34:35.475 --> 00:34:36.894 They'll hurt us with it. 00:34:38.439 --> 00:34:40.902 I should have told you sooner, Ed, I'm sorry. 00:34:42.071 --> 00:34:43.156 Fred. 00:34:46.370 --> 00:34:49.084 If none of us had ever read a "dangerous" book... 00:34:49.251 --> 00:34:51.421 ...or had a friend who was "different"... 00:34:51.547 --> 00:34:54.177 ...or never joined an organization that advocated "change"... 00:34:54.218 --> 00:34:57.099 ...we'd all be the kindof people Joe McCarthy wants. 00:34:59.102 --> 00:35:02.651 We're gonna go with the story, because the terror is in this room. 00:35:06.742 --> 00:35:08.913 John! Jesse! Go through the HUAC hearings. 00:35:09.038 --> 00:35:13.004 Eddie! Palmer! Look at who did the interviews and any speeches. 00:35:14.005 --> 00:35:15.592 Okay, fellas, here we go. 00:35:16.260 --> 00:35:18.138 His own words, that's what we need. 00:35:18.263 --> 00:35:20.852 ...said that he wouldn't remove a General from the Army... 00:35:20.977 --> 00:35:23.899 ...who supported a Communist Major. I said, "Then, General..." 00:35:24.024 --> 00:35:26.320 "...you should be removed from any command." 00:35:26.821 --> 00:35:30.620 "Any man who says, "I will protect and honor a General'..." 00:35:30.912 --> 00:35:35.128 "...'who protects Communists', is not fit to wear that uniform, General." 00:35:35.546 --> 00:35:37.090 Ethically, we're fine. 00:35:37.341 --> 00:35:40.973 But legally, if we air this, are we leaking closed hearing testimony? 00:35:41.098 --> 00:35:43.519 - But he chose to read it. - We're not misquoting him. 00:35:43.686 --> 00:35:47.067 - There are other reporters. - If it's a legal issue, it's his. 00:35:47.193 --> 00:35:48.445 I'll check with Campbell in Legal. 00:35:48.570 --> 00:35:50.574 And wait till you hear the bleeding hearts... 00:35:51.158 --> 00:35:53.162 ...scream and cry about our methods... 00:35:54.415 --> 00:35:56.418 ...of trying to drag the truth... 00:35:58.088 --> 00:36:00.217 ...from those who know or should know... 00:36:01.094 --> 00:36:04.058 ...who covered up a Fifth Amendment Communist Major. 00:36:04.934 --> 00:36:06.228 But they say, "Oh..." 00:36:07.314 --> 00:36:11.238 "...it's all right to uncover them, but don't get rough doing it, McCarthy." 00:36:13.283 --> 00:36:17.875 Did a Civil Liberties Union provide you with an attorney at that time? 00:36:18.752 --> 00:36:20.463 I had many offers of attorneys... 00:36:20.630 --> 00:36:24.554 ...and from the American Civil Liberties Union, too. - The question is: 00:36:24.596 --> 00:36:27.602 ...did the Civil Liberties Union supply you with an attorney? 00:36:27.685 --> 00:36:30.232 - They did supply an attorney. - The answer is yes? 00:36:30.399 --> 00:36:31.359 The answer is yes. 00:36:31.484 --> 00:36:33.947 You know the Civil Liberties Union has been listed... 00:36:34.072 --> 00:36:37.245 ...as a front for and doing the work of the Communist Party? 00:36:37.746 --> 00:36:39.708 Mr. Chairman, this was 1932! 00:36:41.127 --> 00:36:42.505 I know this was in 1932. 00:36:42.505 --> 00:36:44.675 Do you know that they since have been listed... 00:36:44.801 --> 00:36:47.389 ...as a front for and doing the work of the Communist Party? 00:36:47.514 --> 00:36:49.727 I do not know that they have been listedso, sir. 00:36:49.852 --> 00:36:52.148 - You don't know? - I have heard that mentioned... 00:36:52.273 --> 00:36:53.400 All right, Leo. Turn it off. 00:36:53.525 --> 00:36:57.324 - I need those three cans of Stevens! - Has anybody read this book yet? 00:36:57.491 --> 00:36:59.787 It would be nice if this guy isn't a Commie. 00:36:59.871 --> 00:37:02.250 - Did Millie give it to you? - I wanna read the book. 00:37:02.375 --> 00:37:03.962 - Nobody else, Joe. - I hear you, boss. 00:37:04.087 --> 00:37:06.299 I'll put it on a kinescope, push through the end. 00:37:06.425 --> 00:37:07.635 Palmer, cut it at 2:30. 00:37:07.802 --> 00:37:10.098 I prefer it one on each end, let it run through. 00:37:10.223 --> 00:37:11.977 It'd be more powerful. Cut Kennedy? 00:37:12.102 --> 00:37:14.982 Joe, file it for me. I'll see the Mundt piece later. 00:37:15.274 --> 00:37:16.569 Are we gonna make it, Fred? 00:37:16.944 --> 00:37:19.073 We lost the telecine, but we'll make it. 00:37:22.538 --> 00:37:24.375 Did you finish your closing piece? 00:37:25.210 --> 00:37:26.420 It's Shakespeare. 00:37:28.299 --> 00:37:29.593 Write your closing. 00:37:58.188 --> 00:38:01.403 My argument was if you just show the images of McCarthy... 00:38:01.570 --> 00:38:03.072 ...it doesn't make any difference. 00:38:03.198 --> 00:38:05.368 If you agree with him, you're gonna hate the piece. 00:38:05.535 --> 00:38:06.579 If you don't, you'll love it. 00:38:06.621 --> 00:38:08.625 Maybe they should wait till they get more footage. 00:38:08.750 --> 00:38:10.253 I don't think wec an take that chance. 00:38:10.294 --> 00:38:12.924 We've got to hit McCarthy before he comes after Ed. 00:38:14.636 --> 00:38:17.975 The blue one. They haven't gone after the AIsops or Herb Block. 00:38:18.268 --> 00:38:21.023 Honey, the AIsops and Herb Block... 00:38:21.732 --> 00:38:25.322 ...didn't work for the Institute of International Education in 1934. 00:38:26.199 --> 00:38:27.493 Then I guess it's time. 00:38:34.840 --> 00:38:35.842 You worried? 00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:40.017 I didn't think I was. 00:38:40.726 --> 00:38:43.273 I don't know why. I was in the office on Friday. 00:38:43.690 --> 00:38:46.654 And I answered the phone, it was Howard calling from London. 00:38:46.779 --> 00:38:49.242 And he asked what was going on with McCarthy. 00:38:49.493 --> 00:38:54.711 And before I answered him, I turned and looked over my shoulder... 00:38:55.003 --> 00:38:57.800 ...tosee who was listening. - And who was listening? 00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:00.889 Chairman Mao... 00:39:07.234 --> 00:39:08.654 I'll see you at the office. 00:39:09.614 --> 00:39:11.284 - Hey, your ring! - Uh! 00:39:14.582 --> 00:39:16.001 Name me another wife... 00:39:16.502 --> 00:39:19.215 ...who reminds her husband to take off his wedding ring... 00:39:19.340 --> 00:39:22.555 ...before he goes to the office. - Ava Gardner. 00:39:29.902 --> 00:39:33.617 Excuse me, Mr. Friendly. Mr. Murrow, Mr. Paley's on the line for you. 00:39:35.746 --> 00:39:39.295 - Maybe he wants to reimburse us for those ads. - You'd like that! 00:39:39.628 --> 00:39:41.549 - I would like that! - This is Ed. 00:39:41.799 --> 00:39:45.264 There's a Knickerbocker game tonight. I've got front row seats. 00:39:45.473 --> 00:39:46.767 Are you interested? 00:39:47.560 --> 00:39:50.524 I'm busy bringing down the network tonight, Bill. 00:39:50.816 --> 00:39:51.818 Is that tonight? 00:39:53.571 --> 00:39:54.824 We're covered, Bill. 00:39:55.826 --> 00:39:56.786 All right. 00:39:58.789 --> 00:40:03.465 - I'm with you today, Ed, and I'm with you tomorrow. - Thanks, Bill. 00:40:19.244 --> 00:40:21.540 Do you know the timing on the first piece? 00:40:23.001 --> 00:40:24.963 Can we hold all the calls, please? 00:40:25.256 --> 00:40:27.426 Hold the calls till after the show. Thank you. 00:40:27.886 --> 00:40:29.973 - You fellas, awake down there? - Okay. 00:40:30.307 --> 00:40:33.062 - Just... what are we? 20? - 30 seconds, Ed. 00:40:49.050 --> 00:40:50.344 10 seconds. 00:40:54.686 --> 00:40:59.153 5, 4,3, 2. 00:41:00.614 --> 00:41:02.033 And pan, camera one. 00:41:05.247 --> 00:41:09.130 Because a report on Senator McCarthy is by definition controversial... 00:41:09.589 --> 00:41:11.885 ...we want to say exactly what we mean to say... 00:41:12.010 --> 00:41:14.765 ...and request your permission to read from a script... 00:41:14.890 --> 00:41:17.353 ...what ever remarks Murrow and Friendly may make. 00:41:17.938 --> 00:41:21.653 If the Senator feels that we have done violence to his words or pictures... 00:41:21.820 --> 00:41:23.991 ...and desires to answer himself... 00:41:24.241 --> 00:41:27.122 ...an opportunity will be afforded him on this program. 00:41:27.497 --> 00:41:30.086 Our working thesis tonight is this quotation: 00:41:30.837 --> 00:41:32.465 ..."If this fight against Communism..." 00:41:32.549 --> 00:41:35.888 "...has made a fight between America's two great political parties..." 00:41:36.013 --> 00:41:39.520 "...the American people know that one of these parties will be destroyed..." 00:41:39.603 --> 00:41:42.985 "...and the Republic cannot endure very long as a one-party system." 00:41:43.444 --> 00:41:45.072 We applaud that statement... 00:41:45.197 --> 00:41:47.368 ...and we think Senator McCarthy ought to. 00:41:47.660 --> 00:41:49.956 He said it 17 months ago in Milwaukee. 00:41:51.042 --> 00:41:54.298 The American people realize that this cannot be made a fight... 00:41:54.548 --> 00:41:57.136 ...between America's two great political parties. 00:41:57.220 --> 00:41:58.764 If this fight against Communism... 00:41:58.890 --> 00:42:02.104 ...is made a fight against America's two great political parties... 00:42:02.229 --> 00:42:05.819 ...the American people know that one of those parties will be destroyed... 00:42:05.944 --> 00:42:09.326 ...and the Republic can't endure very long as a one-party system. 00:42:10.202 --> 00:42:12.791 On one thing the Senator has been consistent. 00:42:13.375 --> 00:42:16.673 Often operating as a one-man committee, he has traveled far... 00:42:16.756 --> 00:42:18.969 ...interviewed many, terrorized some... 00:42:19.553 --> 00:42:21.515 ...accused civilian and military leaders... 00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:24.020 ...of the past administration of a great conspiracy... 00:42:24.145 --> 00:42:26.107 ...to turn over the country to Communism. 00:42:26.191 --> 00:42:30.574 I was extremely shocked when I heard that Secretary Stevens... 00:42:31.158 --> 00:42:35.500 ...told 2 Army officers that they had to take part in the cover up... 00:42:35.959 --> 00:42:38.547 ...of those who promoted and coddled Communists. 00:42:38.839 --> 00:42:41.720 As I read his statement, I... 00:42:42.680 --> 00:42:45.644 ...thought of that quotation, "On what meat..." 00:42:46.354 --> 00:42:48.524 "...does this our Caesar feed?". 00:42:48.775 --> 00:42:49.735 The questions is: 00:42:49.860 --> 00:42:52.824 ...did the Civil Liberties Union supply you with an attorney? 00:42:52.949 --> 00:42:55.454 - They did supply an attorney. - The answer is yes? 00:42:55.579 --> 00:42:56.581 The answer is yes. 00:42:56.665 --> 00:42:59.378 Do you think this book did considerable harm? 00:42:59.670 --> 00:43:01.048 Its publication... 00:43:02.175 --> 00:43:04.847 ...by an expression of the views contained in it? 00:43:05.222 --> 00:43:08.437 The sale of that book was so abysmally small... 00:43:09.021 --> 00:43:13.321 ...it was so unsuccessful, that the question of its influence... 00:43:13.780 --> 00:43:15.575 You can go back to the publisher... 00:43:15.659 --> 00:43:19.332 ...you'll see it was one of the most unsuccessful books he ever put out. 00:43:19.457 --> 00:43:21.586 He's still sorry about it, just as I am. 00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:25.093 Well, I think that's a compliment to American intelligence. 00:43:26.011 --> 00:43:27.097 I'll say that. 00:43:27.765 --> 00:43:31.438 The Reed Harris hearing demonstrates one of the Senator's techniques. 00:43:31.563 --> 00:43:32.774 Twice he said... 00:43:33.108 --> 00:43:36.948 ...'The American Civil Liberties Union was listed as a subversive front." 00:43:37.032 --> 00:43:39.996 The Attorney General's list does not and never has listed... 00:43:40.121 --> 00:43:43.001 ...the ACLU as subversive, nor does the FBI... 00:43:43.085 --> 00:43:45.297 ...or any other federal government agency. 00:43:45.673 --> 00:43:48.721 And the American Civil Liberties Union holds in its files... 00:43:48.846 --> 00:43:51.434 ...letters of commendation from President Truman... 00:43:51.517 --> 00:43:54.106 ...President Eisenhower, and General MacArthur. 00:43:55.191 --> 00:43:59.699 Earlier, the Senator asked, "Upon what meat does this our Caesar feed?". 00:43:59.950 --> 00:44:02.663 Had he looked three lines earlier in Shakespeare's "Caesar"... 00:44:02.830 --> 00:44:06.337 ...he would have found this line, which is not altogether inappropriate. 00:44:06.504 --> 00:44:10.678 "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves." 00:44:11.388 --> 00:44:13.684 No one familiar with the history of this country... 00:44:13.851 --> 00:44:16.481 ...can deny that Congressional committees are useful. 00:44:16.606 --> 00:44:19.403 It is necessary to investigate before legislating... 00:44:19.528 --> 00:44:23.077 ...but the line between investigating and persecuting is a very fine one... 00:44:23.202 --> 00:44:27.126 ...and the junior Senator from Wisconsin has stepped over it repeatedly. 00:44:27.293 --> 00:44:29.798 We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. 00:44:30.382 --> 00:44:33.471 We must remember always that accusation is not proof... 00:44:33.763 --> 00:44:37.479 ...and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. 00:44:38.522 --> 00:44:40.776 We will not walk in fear, one of another. 00:44:40.860 --> 00:44:43.699 We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason... 00:44:43.866 --> 00:44:46.579 ...if we dig deep in our history and doctrine... 00:44:46.746 --> 00:44:50.002 ...and remember that we are not descended from fearful men... 00:44:50.253 --> 00:44:53.717 ...not from men who feared to write, to associate, to speak... 00:44:53.843 --> 00:44:57.182 ...and to defend the causes that were for the moment unpopular. 00:44:57.808 --> 00:45:01.190 This is no time for men who oppose Senator McCarthy's methods... 00:45:01.357 --> 00:45:03.820 ...to keep silent, or for those who approve. 00:45:04.571 --> 00:45:07.118 Wec an deny our heritage and our history... 00:45:07.201 --> 00:45:10.040 ...but we cannot escape responsibility for the results. 00:45:10.582 --> 00:45:12.837 We proclaim ourselves, indeed as we are... 00:45:12.878 --> 00:45:16.844 ...the defenders of freedom wherever it continues to exist in the world... 00:45:16.969 --> 00:45:20.476 ...but we cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home. 00:45:21.144 --> 00:45:23.398 The actions of the junior Senator from Wisconsin... 00:45:23.565 --> 00:45:26.487 ...have caused alarm and dismay amongst our allies abroad... 00:45:26.612 --> 00:45:29.201 ...and given considerable comfort to our enemies. 00:45:29.827 --> 00:45:32.749 And whose fault is that? Not really his. 00:45:33.208 --> 00:45:35.504 He didn't create this situation of fear... 00:45:35.796 --> 00:45:38.718 ...he merely exploited it, and rather successfully. 00:45:40.388 --> 00:45:41.641 Cassius was right. 00:45:42.225 --> 00:45:46.566 "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves." 00:45:47.610 --> 00:45:49.614 Good night, and good luck. 00:45:57.378 --> 00:45:58.464 And we're out. 00:46:12.114 --> 00:46:13.158 Nothing? 00:46:16.414 --> 00:46:17.833 Maybe nobody watched. 00:46:23.010 --> 00:46:25.306 - We got nothing. - I don't know. - Nothing. 00:46:25.890 --> 00:46:28.478 Should I turn the phones back on, Mr. Williams? 00:46:29.939 --> 00:46:32.319 Yes. Now would be a good time for that. 00:46:33.112 --> 00:46:35.241 Turn the phones on! Turn the pho... 00:46:35.992 --> 00:46:37.537 Mr. Friendly wants the phones on. 00:46:37.704 --> 00:46:39.416 It's the Junior Senator calling collect. 00:46:39.541 --> 00:46:42.755 Don't kid yourself. It's Reed Harris thanking us for mentioning him. 00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:45.803 I don't know whether all of you have seen what I just saw... 00:46:45.970 --> 00:46:48.683 ...but I want to associate myself and this program... 00:46:48.766 --> 00:46:50.311 ...with what Ed Murrow has just said... 00:46:50.436 --> 00:46:53.191 ...and say I have never been prouder of CBS. 00:46:56.114 --> 00:47:00.121 Senator McCarthy said today that he would demand equal free television... 00:47:04.963 --> 00:47:08.929 Stevenson had charged that the Senator made demagoguery and deceit... 00:47:09.221 --> 00:47:10.933 ...the national policy... 00:47:13.688 --> 00:47:15.692 - Is that Hollenbeck? - Congratulations! 00:47:15.859 --> 00:47:16.819 Great show! 00:47:17.737 --> 00:47:19.032 Feel like a Scotch? 00:47:19.658 --> 00:47:21.661 I think everybody could use a Scotch. 00:48:13.342 --> 00:48:16.556 - It's 3:30, early editions are out. - I'm not worried about that. 00:48:16.681 --> 00:48:18.351 Of course not. Shirley, honey... 00:48:18.476 --> 00:48:21.315 ...would you go across the street and get the early editions? 00:48:21.524 --> 00:48:23.402 - All of them? - Just get O'Brian! 00:48:26.116 --> 00:48:27.994 - Hey, watch my drink! - Yeah. 00:49:00.346 --> 00:49:02.142 Okay. Here we go. 00:49:02.768 --> 00:49:05.648 - At last! - The Times. - The Times... 00:49:05.815 --> 00:49:06.817 - First? - Good. 00:49:07.527 --> 00:49:09.322 - Who wrote it? - Jack Gould. 00:49:09.864 --> 00:49:11.200 Gould... 00:49:11.785 --> 00:49:15.208 Edward R. Murrows television program on Senator Joseph R. McCarthy... 00:49:15.333 --> 00:49:19.132 ...was an exciting and provocative examination of the man and his methods. 00:49:19.215 --> 00:49:22.722 It was crusading journalism of high responsibility and courage. 00:49:22.847 --> 00:49:25.602 For TV so often plagued by timidity and hesitation... 00:49:25.727 --> 00:49:29.443 ...the program was a milestone that reflected enlightened citizenship. 00:49:29.610 --> 00:49:30.820 The program... Hold on! 00:49:30.946 --> 00:49:33.742 The program was no less an indictment of those who wish... 00:49:33.784 --> 00:49:36.915 ...the problems posed by the Senator's tactics and theatrics... 00:49:36.999 --> 00:49:38.961 ...would just go away and leave them alone. 00:49:39.086 --> 00:49:42.008 That was Mr. Murrows and television's triumph... 00:49:42.175 --> 00:49:43.678 ...and a very great one. 00:49:47.059 --> 00:49:48.144 Here! Here! 00:49:48.311 --> 00:49:50.440 - He hated it. - Yeah. What's his beef? 00:49:51.150 --> 00:49:52.903 Send the New YorkTimes abottle of Scotch. 00:49:53.029 --> 00:49:55.074 I already did. How do you think we got that review? 00:49:55.199 --> 00:49:57.161 - How's the Post? - Pretty good! 00:49:57.829 --> 00:49:59.875 - What about O'Brian? - Uh, the same. 00:50:01.336 --> 00:50:04.341 - Goon, read O'Brian! - I don't have it. 00:50:04.425 --> 00:50:05.886 - Got it. - Oh. Here. 00:50:08.182 --> 00:50:10.061 - There we go. - Shirley, that... 00:50:13.734 --> 00:50:17.241 We can't say we were surprised at Murrows "Hate McCarthy" telecast... 00:50:17.408 --> 00:50:20.288 ...last evening, when his explosively one-sided propaganda... 00:50:20.413 --> 00:50:23.711 ...edited with deviously clever selectivity from McCarthy's march... 00:50:23.836 --> 00:50:26.174 ...against Communism, was finished last evening... 00:50:26.299 --> 00:50:29.764 ...by equally Machiavellian coincidence the following telecast... 00:50:29.848 --> 00:50:32.853 ...featured Murrow's PM protege, Hollenbeck. 00:50:33.646 --> 00:50:35.942 In an obviously gloating mood, Hollenbeck... 00:50:36.068 --> 00:50:39.491 ...hoped viewers had witnessed his patron's triumph... 00:50:39.616 --> 00:50:40.868 ...from and for the Left. 00:50:42.079 --> 00:50:43.290 Soon. Soon... 00:50:43.456 --> 00:50:45.460 Shirley, it's okay. Go ahead, finish it. 00:50:45.585 --> 00:50:48.758 - No, that's it. That's it. - Shirley, please, finish it. 00:50:51.889 --> 00:50:56.606 The CBS has been in a lengthy "clean house of Lefties" mood. 00:50:56.648 --> 00:50:58.401 The worst offenders on lesser levels... 00:50:58.485 --> 00:51:00.697 ...have been quietly pushed out of the company. 00:51:00.781 --> 00:51:04.705 Don Hollenbeck, a graduate of the demised pinko publication PM... 00:51:04.788 --> 00:51:08.545 ...attacked conservative papers with sly and slanted propaganda. 00:51:08.712 --> 00:51:11.008 He then proceeded through an equally... 00:51:12.887 --> 00:51:14.682 ...tilted review of the day's events... 00:51:14.723 --> 00:51:18.063 ...with McCarthy dominating his words, actions, attitudes. 00:51:19.107 --> 00:51:20.067 Soon. 00:51:22.864 --> 00:51:25.828 - It's O'Brian. - He didn't get the Scotch, that's all. 00:51:26.287 --> 00:51:29.251 - Is it grammatically correct? - I'll have that cigarette, Ed. 00:51:30.879 --> 00:51:33.843 - Thanks, Shirley. - Oh. - Mmh. - Thank you. 00:51:34.010 --> 00:51:36.306 Joe... Shirley... 00:51:41.315 --> 00:51:42.567 It doesn't matter. 00:51:47.827 --> 00:51:48.954 To Jack Gould! 00:51:50.081 --> 00:51:52.878 - To Jack! To Jack! To Jack Gould! - To Jack Gould! 00:51:53.004 --> 00:51:53.964 I love Jack Gould! 00:51:56.009 --> 00:51:57.470 May he rest in peace. 00:51:59.766 --> 00:52:02.521 - Hello, Jimmy. - Fred, congratulations! - Thank you. 00:52:03.398 --> 00:52:05.736 I got such a hangover to go along with the ulcer. 00:52:05.861 --> 00:52:07.698 All the adguys on the 3rd floor watched the show. 00:52:07.823 --> 00:52:09.702 Got a good review in the New York Times. Jack Gould. 00:52:09.827 --> 00:52:11.204 We're putting out a press release... 00:52:11.371 --> 00:52:14.168 ...saying that calls came in 15 to 1 in favor of the show. - Really? 00:52:14.293 --> 00:52:16.631 - Yeah. - 15 to 1? - We got calls from everywhere. 00:52:16.923 --> 00:52:20.263 - East Coast or West Coast? - Yeah. Kansas City, Cincinnati... 00:52:21.307 --> 00:52:22.392 Mr. Paley... 00:52:23.519 --> 00:52:25.606 - Morning, Fred. - Morning, Mr. Paley. 00:52:30.783 --> 00:52:31.743 How's your wife? 00:52:32.244 --> 00:52:34.456 She's fine. We're getting ready to move. 00:52:34.540 --> 00:52:37.587 - Really? Where to? - Riverdale. We found a nice house there. 00:52:37.712 --> 00:52:38.631 It's nice there. 00:52:39.549 --> 00:52:40.593 Yes, sir. 00:52:47.689 --> 00:52:48.650 Excuse me. 00:52:48.900 --> 00:52:52.615 Fred! McCarthy wants William Buckey to do his rebuttal. 00:52:53.951 --> 00:52:54.995 I said no. 00:52:56.873 --> 00:52:57.792 Yes, sir. 00:53:04.220 --> 00:53:05.264 Hey, Johnny! 00:53:05.556 --> 00:53:07.769 - Radulovich has been reinstated. - What?! 00:53:07.894 --> 00:53:10.566 Radulovich... Guys! Radulovich has been reinstated. 00:53:10.691 --> 00:53:12.486 - Jesse! Jesse! - Where is Ed? 00:53:12.653 --> 00:53:15.158 - He's in the bullpen. Why? What's going on? - Jess! 00:53:15.283 --> 00:53:16.744 Got some very good news. 00:53:17.412 --> 00:53:20.459 Special announcement from the Secretary of the Air Force! 00:53:20.626 --> 00:53:22.588 Fellas! Listen up! Everyone! 00:53:23.507 --> 00:53:25.552 I have decided that it is consistent... 00:53:25.677 --> 00:53:28.432 ...with the interests of the National Security to retain... 00:53:28.558 --> 00:53:31.814 ...Lieutenant Radulovich in the United States Air Force. Stop. 00:53:31.981 --> 00:53:35.320 He is not, in my opinion, a security risk. Fullstop. 00:53:37.950 --> 00:53:41.582 There you go. Harold E. Talbott, Secretary from the Air Force. 00:53:42.208 --> 00:53:43.168 Great job! 00:53:43.294 --> 00:53:45.256 - Make a copy of that for me! - I will do, Fred! 00:53:45.339 --> 00:53:47.301 Back to work, guys! We got a lot of work to do. 00:53:47.426 --> 00:53:48.637 This means something. 00:53:48.762 --> 00:53:50.223 - Good news, huh? - Congratulations! 00:53:50.349 --> 00:53:54.440 - This absolutely means something. - Absolutely. This is the start of... 00:54:01.411 --> 00:54:02.455 Palmer! 00:54:05.544 --> 00:54:07.506 The CBS lawyers wanna talk to you. 00:54:11.179 --> 00:54:12.139 When? 00:54:12.766 --> 00:54:13.893 Tomorrow. 00:54:14.853 --> 00:54:18.109 I don't want you to get paranoid, they're talking to everybody. 00:54:18.234 --> 00:54:19.320 Any ideas? 00:54:20.948 --> 00:54:22.492 Just tell them what you know. 00:54:22.617 --> 00:54:25.289 - Now is that testimony true? - No, sir, it is not. 00:54:25.414 --> 00:54:28.545 Not at any time have I been a member of the Communist Party... 00:54:28.670 --> 00:54:31.050 ...and I have never seen a Communist card. 00:54:31.133 --> 00:54:33.429 - You've never seen a Communist card? - That's right. 00:54:33.555 --> 00:54:35.517 Have you ever attended any Communist meetings? 00:54:35.642 --> 00:54:37.186 No, sir, never. 00:54:37.270 --> 00:54:39.524 Have you ever subscribed to The Daily Worker? 00:54:39.691 --> 00:54:43.365 No, sir. I didn't subscribe to it and I wouldn't pay for it. 00:54:44.241 --> 00:54:49.376 Uh... Now, Mrs. Markward, who was working for the FBI... 00:54:50.127 --> 00:54:53.467 ...who joined the Communist Party under orders from the FBI... 00:54:53.634 --> 00:54:56.681 ...has testified that while she never met you personally... 00:54:56.973 --> 00:55:00.104 ...at a Communist meeting that your name was on the list... 00:55:00.230 --> 00:55:02.359 ...of Communists who were paying dues. 00:55:02.943 --> 00:55:05.615 Uh... Can you shed any light upon that? 00:55:06.617 --> 00:55:09.413 No, sir. I don't even know what the dues are... 00:55:09.580 --> 00:55:13.087 ...or where they were paid. - So you have never paid any money... 00:55:14.172 --> 00:55:15.967 ...to the Communist Party. 00:55:16.761 --> 00:55:18.430 - Is that correct? - That's right. 00:55:18.639 --> 00:55:20.726 You've never paid any dues, payment... 00:55:20.893 --> 00:55:22.521 Thank you very much, Leo! 00:55:23.482 --> 00:55:25.193 Good work, Joe, Charlie. 00:55:25.903 --> 00:55:27.197 Now what is the show? 00:55:27.322 --> 00:55:30.035 Is it defending Annie Lee Moss as not being a Communist? 00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:32.707 - Or is ither Constitutional rights? - Both. - The latter. 00:55:32.832 --> 00:55:35.295 We're much better sticking out the Constitutional issues. 00:55:35.421 --> 00:55:37.007 - Agreed? - The woman is not a Communist spy. 00:55:37.132 --> 00:55:39.720 Joe McCarthy said that they have a spy in the Pentagon... 00:55:39.887 --> 00:55:41.557 ...that spy has gotten into the code room... 00:55:41.682 --> 00:55:43.310 ...and that that spy is Annie Lee Moss. 00:55:43.436 --> 00:55:45.982 I've got New York Times reports. McCarthy asserts he has... 00:55:46.024 --> 00:55:48.821 ...a new red link to Army. Quote, "Senator McCarthy charged today..." 00:55:49.029 --> 00:55:51.492 "...that the Army now employs a woman in its code room..." 00:55:51.576 --> 00:55:54.122 "...who was, and still may be, an active Communist." 00:55:54.289 --> 00:55:55.792 It's the front page of the New York Times. 00:55:55.876 --> 00:55:59.507 No sooner is he done chastising the other committee members for wanting... 00:55:59.633 --> 00:56:02.555 ...to push into the afternoon, than what? Seven questions in... 00:56:02.722 --> 00:56:04.266 ...he ducks out, leaves... - Right. 00:56:04.392 --> 00:56:07.314 - Heleaves. - It's all over the headlines, all over the country. 00:56:07.481 --> 00:56:08.984 Get me copies from any newspaper... 00:56:09.150 --> 00:56:10.695 ...that printed anything about that assertion. 00:56:10.862 --> 00:56:14.160 That's a good idea. You should get the Cincinnati Inquirer. 00:56:14.243 --> 00:56:17.249 - Chicago. - Couple other pieces I think we should include. 00:56:17.416 --> 00:56:20.505 The fact that there's 3 Annie Lee Moss's in the phone book. 00:56:20.630 --> 00:56:23.594 There are 2 Robert Halls, one's colored, one's white. 00:56:23.719 --> 00:56:25.556 We have some footage of the empty chair. 00:56:25.681 --> 00:56:28.812 I think that says it all. Just that picture of McCarthy not... 00:56:28.938 --> 00:56:31.818 McCarthy leaving the hearing after 7 questions... 00:56:31.943 --> 00:56:34.072 ...and then we'll cut to the shot of thechair. 00:56:34.114 --> 00:56:36.827 - We gotta do something about it. - All right, so... 00:56:36.911 --> 00:56:40.751 Excuse me. Mr. Murrow! McCarthy wants April 6th. 00:56:44.550 --> 00:56:45.803 Thank you, Natalie. 00:56:50.520 --> 00:56:53.734 Fine. If Charlie shoots it, we get to see it first. We should offer. 00:56:53.859 --> 00:56:56.364 - It's a long shot. - What the hell could McCarthy do? 00:56:56.489 --> 00:56:58.952 Is he gonna debate himself? We just used his words! 00:57:02.334 --> 00:57:04.504 Johnny! Johnny! We know what it's going to be. 00:57:04.630 --> 00:57:07.635 He's going to come after me. There's nothing more he can do. 00:57:07.677 --> 00:57:10.223 He's gonna bet that a Senator trumps a newsman. 00:57:11.183 --> 00:57:12.102 He'll lose. 00:57:12.561 --> 00:57:14.147 Not if we're playing bridge. 00:57:15.942 --> 00:57:18.823 - I'm sorry, guys. I didn't mean to interrupt. - Hey, Don. 00:57:18.906 --> 00:57:21.035 - It's getting fun now! - Ed, you have aminute? 00:57:21.494 --> 00:57:25.126 - Yes, I'll be right there. - All right, boys. Playtime's over. 00:57:25.585 --> 00:57:26.921 We have 4 days... 00:57:27.172 --> 00:57:29.635 ...to do a 29 minute show. - Yeah. - All right. 00:57:29.760 --> 00:57:31.138 All right, go ahead. Hi, Mary. 00:57:31.263 --> 00:57:32.933 Hello, Mr. Hollenbeck. Mr. Murrow... 00:57:33.100 --> 00:57:34.936 - Could you give us a moment? - Sure. 00:57:36.815 --> 00:57:37.858 Thank you, dear. 00:57:39.695 --> 00:57:42.283 I have to ask you something, Ed. It's about O'Brian. 00:57:42.450 --> 00:57:44.287 - O'Brian doesn'tmatter. - He's killing me, Ed. 00:57:44.454 --> 00:57:46.124 He doesn't amount to that much in the newsroom. 00:57:46.291 --> 00:57:47.669 We've got to let that guy have it. 00:57:47.794 --> 00:57:51.050 We're not going after O'Brian. I will not take on McCarthy and Hearst. 00:57:51.175 --> 00:57:52.427 I can't defeat them both. 00:57:53.596 --> 00:57:56.852 Just don't read the papers. Or don't read O'Brian, anyway. 00:58:02.071 --> 00:58:04.325 Okay. I guess not. 00:58:05.702 --> 00:58:06.704 Sorry, Don. 00:58:20.898 --> 00:58:22.693 Although Mrs. Moss offered to testify... 00:58:22.776 --> 00:58:25.907 ...Senator McCarthy suggested that she was too sick. 00:58:25.990 --> 00:58:29.664 - She agreed... - Mr. Cohn wanted to know about Mrs. Moss's connection... 00:58:29.789 --> 00:58:33.421 ...to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth... 00:58:33.504 --> 00:58:34.673 ...so help you God? 00:58:38.514 --> 00:58:41.144 May we get your full name for the record, please? 00:58:41.561 --> 00:58:42.855 Annie Lee Moss. 00:58:44.024 --> 00:58:45.611 - M-O-S-S? - That's right. 00:58:46.028 --> 00:58:49.242 Mrs. Moss, let me say for the record, for your information... 00:58:49.409 --> 00:58:51.538 ...for the information of your counsel... 00:58:52.123 --> 00:58:54.001 ...that you are not here because... 00:58:55.379 --> 00:59:00.430 ...you are considered important in the Communist apparatus. 00:59:00.555 --> 00:59:04.062 We have the testimony that you are, and have been, a Communist. 00:59:05.189 --> 00:59:08.570 We are rather curious, however, to kno whow you suddenly... 00:59:09.948 --> 00:59:11.284 ...were shifted from... 00:59:13.246 --> 00:59:16.251 ...a worker in a cafeteria to the code room. 00:59:16.544 --> 00:59:19.841 I am today much more interested... 00:59:20.635 --> 00:59:24.350 ...in the handling of your case... 00:59:25.101 --> 00:59:28.274 ...by your superiors than in your own personal activities. 00:59:28.650 --> 00:59:32.866 However, counsel will question you about your own activities also. 00:59:33.200 --> 00:59:36.289 - Mr. Chairman! - We will not hear from counsel. 00:59:36.873 --> 00:59:38.877 You have been told what the rule is. 00:59:39.169 --> 00:59:42.133 If you have anything to say, say it through your client. 00:59:45.932 --> 00:59:49.606 Chairman. Did you begin work at the General Accounting Office in... 00:59:50.524 --> 00:59:52.653 ...1945? - Yes, sir. 00:59:53.571 --> 00:59:57.746 And, prior to that time, had you been a cafeteria worker? 00:59:57.871 --> 00:59:59.249 Yes, I had. 00:59:59.541 --> 01:00:03.841 I see. While in the Pentagon, since 1950... 01:00:04.216 --> 01:00:06.930 ...have you had any connections with coded messages? 01:00:07.055 --> 01:00:09.017 Have you ever handled coded messages? 01:00:10.144 --> 01:00:12.607 - No more than to transmit 'em. - Pardon me? 01:00:12.941 --> 01:00:15.153 No more than to transmit the message. 01:00:15.237 --> 01:00:17.616 Than to transmit them? Did you transmit codes? 01:00:17.700 --> 01:00:20.413 To receive or transmit messages was all I had to do. 01:00:20.455 --> 01:00:23.127 And I've never been into a courtroom in my life. 01:00:23.669 --> 01:00:24.880 Do you know the... 01:00:26.967 --> 01:00:28.554 ...type of classification... 01:00:28.679 --> 01:00:32.812 - Do you know if they were secret, top secret, confidential? - No, sir. 01:00:33.104 --> 01:00:36.485 - You wouldn't know the degree of classification? - No, sir. 01:00:36.903 --> 01:00:37.904 I see. 01:00:39.198 --> 01:00:42.329 I'm afraid I'm going to have to excuse myself, I've got... 01:00:43.540 --> 01:00:47.506 ...a rather important appointment to work on right now... 01:00:47.631 --> 01:00:51.805 ...and I wonder if, Senator Mundt, you would takeover as Chairman? 01:00:56.857 --> 01:00:58.359 - Chairman. Uh... - Cohn. 01:00:58.443 --> 01:01:01.449 I have no further questions of this witness at this time. 01:01:01.616 --> 01:01:05.707 We have the testimony of Mrs. Markward, the undercover agent for the FBI... 01:01:06.040 --> 01:01:09.589 ...stating that Annie Lee Moss was a member, a dues-paying member... 01:01:09.631 --> 01:01:11.384 ...of the Communist Party... 01:01:11.843 --> 01:01:14.056 ...the Northeast Club of the Communist Party. 01:01:14.223 --> 01:01:17.520 We have corroboration of that testimony by another... 01:01:18.606 --> 01:01:20.776 ...witness who was called before the Committee... 01:01:20.902 --> 01:01:22.655 ...and gave a sworn statement to the effect... 01:01:22.780 --> 01:01:25.494 ...that she also knew Mrs. Moss as a member... 01:01:25.619 --> 01:01:27.539 ...of the Northeast Club of the Communist Party. 01:01:27.664 --> 01:01:31.922 She's already lost her job. She's been suspended because of this action. 01:01:32.716 --> 01:01:36.222 I'm not defending her. If she's a Communist, I want her exposed. 01:01:36.598 --> 01:01:40.230 But to make these statements as we've got corroborating evidence... 01:01:40.689 --> 01:01:43.861 ...that she is a Communist, under these circumstances... 01:01:43.945 --> 01:01:47.577 ...I think she's entitled to have it produced here in her presence... 01:01:47.744 --> 01:01:51.083 ...and let the public know about it and let her know about it. 01:01:54.465 --> 01:01:57.679 I don't like to try people by hearsay evidence. 01:01:59.182 --> 01:02:01.853 I'd like to get the witnesses here and try them... 01:02:03.607 --> 01:02:05.318 ...by testimony, under oath. 01:02:05.611 --> 01:02:09.159 The Chair will rule that the comment of Mr. Cohn... 01:02:09.284 --> 01:02:10.870 ...be stricken from the record. 01:02:11.163 --> 01:02:13.667 I didnt ask that, Mr. Chairman! 01:02:13.793 --> 01:02:16.381 ...whether we should try to produce a witness in public... 01:02:16.506 --> 01:02:19.720 ...because the FBI may have her undercover and we don't want to... 01:02:19.846 --> 01:02:24.354 You can't strike these statements made by counsel here as to evidence... 01:02:24.479 --> 01:02:28.654 ...that we're having and withholding. You cannot strike that from the press... 01:02:28.737 --> 01:02:33.830 ...nor from the public mind once it's planted there. That's the... 01:02:35.709 --> 01:02:37.044 ...evil of it! 01:02:37.378 --> 01:02:40.551 - Well, I'd look at it... - I don't think it's fair to a witness... 01:02:40.635 --> 01:02:42.096 ...to a citizen of this country... 01:02:42.263 --> 01:02:44.266 ...to bring them up here and cross-examine them... 01:02:44.433 --> 01:02:45.811 ...then when they get through, say... 01:02:45.936 --> 01:02:48.817 ..."The FBI has got something on you that condemns you." 01:02:48.900 --> 01:02:51.613 - The Chair agrees... - It is not sworn testimony... 01:02:51.780 --> 01:02:55.287 ...it's convicting people by rumor and hearsay and innuendo. 01:02:57.082 --> 01:03:00.630 You will notice that neither Senator McClellan or Senator Symington... 01:03:00.756 --> 01:03:05.097 ...nor this reporter know or claim that Mrs. Moss was or is a Communist. 01:03:05.723 --> 01:03:10.190 They simply claimed that she had the right to meet her accusers face to face. 01:03:25.051 --> 01:03:29.142 One month ago tonight we presented a report on Senator Joseph R. McCarthy. 01:03:29.601 --> 01:03:31.313 We labeled it as controversial. 01:03:31.939 --> 01:03:35.571 Most of that report consisted of words and pictures of the Senator. 01:03:36.197 --> 01:03:37.700 At that time, we said... 01:03:37.909 --> 01:03:41.749 ..."If theSenator believes we havedone violence to his words or pictures..." 01:03:41.874 --> 01:03:44.463 "...if he desires to speak, to answer himself..." 01:03:44.630 --> 01:03:47.677 "...an opportunity would be afforded him on this program." 01:03:48.011 --> 01:03:51.684 The Senator sought the opportunity after 3 weeks... 01:03:51.810 --> 01:03:55.859 ...because he was very busy and wished adequate time to prepare his reply. 01:03:56.402 --> 01:03:57.362 We agreed. 01:03:57.946 --> 01:04:02.079 We placed no restrictions on the manner of the presentation of his reply... 01:04:02.246 --> 01:04:05.293 ...and we suggested that we would not take time to comment... 01:04:05.418 --> 01:04:07.130 ...on this particular program. 01:04:07.756 --> 01:04:11.638 Here now is Senator Joseph R. McCarthy, junior Senator from Wisconsin. 01:04:13.100 --> 01:04:19.403 Good evening. Mr. Edward R. Murrow, Educational Director of the CBS... 01:04:20.488 --> 01:04:22.784 ...devoted his program to an attack... 01:04:22.910 --> 01:04:26.040 ...on the work ofthe US Senate Investigating Committee... 01:04:26.458 --> 01:04:28.629 ...and on me personally as its Chairman. 01:04:29.547 --> 01:04:33.137 Now, over the past 4 years, he has made repeated attacks upon me... 01:04:33.638 --> 01:04:35.433 ...and those fighting Communists. 01:04:36.852 --> 01:04:39.983 Of course, neither Joe McCarthy nor Edward R. Murrow... 01:04:40.693 --> 01:04:43.615 ...is of any great importance as individuals. 01:04:44.659 --> 01:04:46.203 We are only important... 01:04:46.537 --> 01:04:50.503 ...in our relation to the great struggle to preserve our American liberties. 01:04:51.087 --> 01:04:55.721 Now ordinarily, I wouldnt take time out from the important work at hand... 01:04:56.473 --> 01:04:57.683 ...to answer Murrow. 01:04:58.268 --> 01:04:59.729 However, in this case... 01:04:59.854 --> 01:05:03.694 ...I feel justified in doing so because Murrow is the symbol... 01:05:04.446 --> 01:05:05.489 ...the leader... 01:05:05.823 --> 01:05:10.875 ...and the cleverest of the jackal pack which is always found at the throat... 01:05:11.375 --> 01:05:15.341 ...of anyone who dares to expose individual Communists and traitors. 01:05:16.594 --> 01:05:18.514 And I am compelled by the fact... 01:05:19.015 --> 01:05:21.394 ...to say to you that Mr. Edward R. Murrow... 01:05:22.062 --> 01:05:24.525 ...as far back as 20 years ago... 01:05:25.277 --> 01:05:28.616 ...was engaged in propaganda for Communist causes. 01:05:29.869 --> 01:05:32.916 For example, the Institute of International Education... 01:05:33.125 --> 01:05:35.379 ...of which he was the Acting Director... 01:05:36.005 --> 01:05:38.885 ...was chosen to act as a representative... 01:05:39.261 --> 01:05:40.889 ...by a Soviet agency... 01:05:42.142 --> 01:05:47.485 ...to do a job which would normally be done by the Russian secret police. 01:05:48.403 --> 01:05:52.077 Mr. Murrow, by his own admission, was a member of the IWW... 01:05:52.202 --> 01:05:54.707 ...that's the Industrial Workers of the World... 01:05:54.832 --> 01:05:57.587 ...a terrorist organization cited as subversive... 01:05:58.213 --> 01:06:00.676 ...by an Attorney General of the United States. 01:06:00.843 --> 01:06:04.183 Mr. Murrow said on this program and I quote... 01:06:04.976 --> 01:06:08.650 ..."The actions of the junior Senator from Wisconsin..." 01:06:10.027 --> 01:06:14.035 "...have given considerable comfort to the enemy." 01:06:14.744 --> 01:06:18.585 That is the language of our statute of treason, rather strong language. 01:06:19.378 --> 01:06:24.721 If I am giving comfort to our enemies, I ought not to be in the Senate. 01:06:25.055 --> 01:06:26.976 If, on the other hand, Mr. Murrow... 01:06:27.435 --> 01:06:29.480 ...is giving comfort to our enemies... 01:06:29.772 --> 01:06:32.194 ...he ought not to be brought into the homes... 01:06:32.402 --> 01:06:35.951 ...of millions of Americans by the CBS. 01:06:36.201 --> 01:06:37.579 And I want to assure you... 01:06:38.789 --> 01:06:41.712 ...that I will not be deterred... 01:06:42.505 --> 01:06:48.307 ...by the attacks of the Murrows, the Lattimores, the Fosters... 01:06:49.100 --> 01:06:53.066 ...The Daily Worker or the Communist Party itself. 01:06:55.195 --> 01:06:58.326 And I make no claim to leadership. 01:07:00.622 --> 01:07:02.208 Incomplete humility... 01:07:04.087 --> 01:07:08.178 ...I do ask you and every American who loves this country... 01:07:08.971 --> 01:07:10.516 ...to join with me. 01:07:38.568 --> 01:07:40.655 [Everyone talks about the weather.] 01:07:41.574 --> 01:07:44.287 [Wherever you look on America's modern farms...] 01:07:44.705 --> 01:07:49.088 [... aluminum is on the job, helping the farmer do something about the weather.] 01:07:50.006 --> 01:07:53.262 [Aluminum for the farm is one more example of how Alcoa...] 01:07:53.388 --> 01:07:54.682 [... since 1999...] 01:07:55.057 --> 01:07:58.814 [... has continued to pioneer new uses for this vital metal.] 01:07:59.524 --> 01:08:03.532 [New uses of aluminum that mean better farms and better farming.] 01:08:04.200 --> 01:08:07.831 The aluminum from the nation's first and leading producer...] 01:08:08.458 --> 01:08:11.839 [... Alcoa, Aluminum Company of America.] 01:08:12.423 --> 01:08:14.886 Last week, Senator McCarthy appeared on this program... 01:08:15.011 --> 01:08:17.474 ...to correct any errors he might have thought we made... 01:08:17.600 --> 01:08:19.144 ...in our report of March 9th. 01:08:19.311 --> 01:08:22.693 Since he made no reference to any statements of fact that we made... 01:08:22.734 --> 01:08:25.448 ...we must conclude that he found no errors of fact. 01:08:26.408 --> 01:08:28.954 He proved again that anyone who exposes him... 01:08:29.080 --> 01:08:33.588 ...anyone who doesn't share his disregard for decency and human dignity... 01:08:33.838 --> 01:08:36.301 ...and the rights guaranteed by the Constitution... 01:08:36.427 --> 01:08:39.057 ...must be either a Communist or a fellow traveler. 01:08:39.683 --> 01:08:41.478 I fully expected this treatment. 01:08:42.313 --> 01:08:45.652 The Senator added this reporter's name to a long list of individuals... 01:08:45.819 --> 01:08:49.201 ...and institutions he has accused of serving the Communist cause. 01:08:49.660 --> 01:08:51.371 His proposition is very simple: 01:08:51.789 --> 01:08:55.170 ...anyone who criticizes or opposes Senator McCarthy's methods... 01:08:55.462 --> 01:08:56.840 ...must be a Communist. 01:08:57.633 --> 01:09:01.307 And if that be true, there are an awful lot of Communists in the USA. 01:09:02.016 --> 01:09:05.606 For the record, let's consider briefly some of the Senator's charges. 01:09:05.732 --> 01:09:07.777 He claimed, but offered no proof... 01:09:07.902 --> 01:09:11.242 ...that I had been a member of the Industrial Workers of the World. 01:09:11.367 --> 01:09:12.453 That is false. 01:09:13.079 --> 01:09:16.794 I was never a member ofthe IWW, never applied for membership. 01:09:18.005 --> 01:09:20.593 The Senator charged that Professor Harold Laski... 01:09:20.718 --> 01:09:23.682 ...a British scholar and politician, dedicated a book to me. 01:09:23.807 --> 01:09:24.851 That's true. 01:09:25.185 --> 01:09:28.566 He is dead. He was a socialist, I am not. 01:09:29.651 --> 01:09:31.321 He was a civilized individual... 01:09:31.488 --> 01:09:34.703 ...who did not insist upon agreement with his political principles... 01:09:34.744 --> 01:09:37.583 ...as a pre-condition for conversation or friendship. 01:09:38.042 --> 01:09:40.255 I do not agree with his political ideas. 01:09:41.257 --> 01:09:43.719 I ask, as he makes clear in the introduction... 01:09:43.845 --> 01:09:47.226 ...dedicated the book to me, not because of political agreement... 01:09:47.393 --> 01:09:51.192 ...but because he held my wartime broadcast from London in high regard. 01:09:51.693 --> 01:09:53.363 And the dedication so reads. 01:09:54.949 --> 01:09:57.370 I believed 20 years ago and I believe today... 01:09:57.954 --> 01:10:01.503 ...that mature Americans can engage in conversation and controversy... 01:10:01.628 --> 01:10:04.884 ...the clash of ideas, with Communists anywhere in the world... 01:10:05.009 --> 01:10:07.472 ...without becoming contaminated or converted. 01:10:08.265 --> 01:10:10.854 I believe that our faith, our conviction... 01:10:11.271 --> 01:10:13.734 ...our determination are stronger than theirs... 01:10:14.026 --> 01:10:18.410 ...and that we can successfully compete, not only in the area of bombs... 01:10:18.869 --> 01:10:20.664 ...but in the area of ideas. 01:10:22.960 --> 01:10:25.673 I have worked with CBS for more than 19 years. 01:10:26.049 --> 01:10:29.722 The company has subscribed fully to my integrity and responsibility... 01:10:29.848 --> 01:10:32.311 ...as a broadcaster and as a loyal American. 01:10:33.104 --> 01:10:36.569 I require no lectures from the junior Senator from Wisconsin... 01:10:36.694 --> 01:10:39.240 ...as to the dangers or terrors of Communism. 01:10:40.451 --> 01:10:42.747 Having searched my conscience and my files... 01:10:42.914 --> 01:10:45.919 ...I cannot contend that I have always been right or wise... 01:10:46.045 --> 01:10:49.134 ...but I have attempted to pursue thet ruth with diligence... 01:10:49.301 --> 01:10:50.386 ...and to report it... 01:10:50.511 --> 01:10:53.475 ...even though, as in this case, I had been warned in advance... 01:10:53.601 --> 01:10:57.107 ...that I would be subjected to the attentions of Senator McCarthy. 01:10:58.151 --> 01:11:02.200 We shall hope to deal with matters of more vital interest next week. 01:11:03.077 --> 01:11:04.663 Good night, and good luck. 01:11:12.469 --> 01:11:16.226 In the last analysis, the Senator was perched on the television high dive... 01:11:16.310 --> 01:11:18.606 ...and all prepared to make a resounding splash. 01:11:18.731 --> 01:11:21.361 He jumped beautifully, but he neglected to check first... 01:11:21.486 --> 01:11:24.241 ...where he was going to land. It must have been a shock... 01:11:24.367 --> 01:11:27.915 ...to discover that Mr. Murrow had drained the water out of the pool. 01:11:28.833 --> 01:11:31.296 - Is that the Times? Gould? - Yeah, it's Jack Gould. 01:11:31.421 --> 01:11:33.467 - He's a hell of a writer. - Yes, he is. 01:11:34.177 --> 01:11:36.765 - If we can afford him! - Stanton's got a public opinion... 01:11:36.848 --> 01:11:38.476 Senate's investigating McCarthy. 01:11:39.562 --> 01:11:40.522 What? 01:11:40.772 --> 01:11:44.321 The Army's charging that McCarthy and Cohn exercised undue pressure... 01:11:44.446 --> 01:11:47.785 ...to get preferential treatment for Schine. - Who's the source? 01:11:47.869 --> 01:11:51.960 - Got a second source? - There isn't, but this is coming out in 2 hours. 01:11:52.085 --> 01:11:55.341 - Who's heading up the investigation? - It's not gonna be McCarthy! 01:11:55.466 --> 01:11:57.220 - Really? - What happened? 01:11:57.429 --> 01:12:00.225 - Also get me the Washington Post! - What's going on? 01:12:00.392 --> 01:12:01.812 It's Williams for Jack Thompson. 01:12:02.020 --> 01:12:03.774 The Senate's investigating McCarthy. 01:12:04.567 --> 01:12:06.696 There is an added bit of comedy to this whole story. 01:12:06.821 --> 01:12:08.783 The Committee cannot convene for several days... 01:12:08.950 --> 01:12:11.622 ...because Senator McCarthy has a slight case of laryngitis. 01:12:11.747 --> 01:12:15.546 And he must recover over the desert air of Arizona. 01:12:18.885 --> 01:12:22.350 - But Stevens is going after him and it looks like Joe Welch. - Yeah. 01:12:22.475 --> 01:12:24.897 They're gonna allow each side to call witnesses... 01:12:25.064 --> 01:12:26.859 ...and be privy to other testimony. 01:12:27.151 --> 01:12:31.033 - Fred, we still have a meeting! - We're gonna go to talk toThompson. 01:12:33.621 --> 01:12:34.999 No, thanks, Jack. Bye. 01:12:35.917 --> 01:12:38.881 Freddy, we're a hit. Right up there with "Howdy Dowdy"! 01:12:40.217 --> 01:12:42.221 Can I have an outlet satellite, please? 01:12:44.058 --> 01:12:50.653 - 74, 76,47. Thank you. - Murrayville3, 1-2-7-6. 01:13:10.607 --> 01:13:13.780 The fact of newscaster Don Hollenbeck's suicide yesterday... 01:13:13.905 --> 01:13:17.788 ...does not remove from the record that peculiar history... 01:13:18.622 --> 01:13:23.590 ...of the leftist slanting of news indulged consistently by the CBS. 01:13:24.968 --> 01:13:28.224 Hollenbeck was what most astute students of CBS's strange... 01:13:28.641 --> 01:13:30.895 ...and questionable new methods considered... 01:13:30.979 --> 01:13:36.573 ..."typical of its newscasters". By Jack O'Brian. 01:15:10.833 --> 01:15:12.795 Oh, yeah. I like it like that. 01:15:15.091 --> 01:15:18.973 One of the best programs I ever heard was called "CBS Views The Press". 01:15:19.724 --> 01:15:22.146 A great many people liked it, some didn't... 01:15:22.563 --> 01:15:25.110 ...but noone ever called it anything but honest. 01:15:25.652 --> 01:15:29.368 It was the work of an honest reporter. Don Hollenbeck. 01:15:30.328 --> 01:15:32.707 He also worked occasionally on "See It Now'. 01:15:33.375 --> 01:15:36.255 He did the 11 p.m. News over some of these stations. 01:15:37.007 --> 01:15:39.637 He had been sick lately and he died this morning. 01:15:40.346 --> 01:15:42.851 The police said it was suicide... gas. 01:15:44.646 --> 01:15:45.899 Not much of an obit. 01:15:46.316 --> 01:15:49.447 But, at least we got our facts straight, and it was brief. 01:15:50.491 --> 01:15:53.079 And that's all Don Hollenbeck would have asked. 01:15:54.039 --> 01:15:55.834 Good night, and good luck. 01:16:01.511 --> 01:16:03.515 Got to be in Philadelphia this morning. 01:16:04.642 --> 01:16:06.145 What time is your train? 01:16:07.230 --> 01:16:08.274 9:00. 01:16:09.902 --> 01:16:12.407 - Charlie going with you? - Uh-huh. 01:16:21.465 --> 01:16:22.676 Here's a thought. 01:16:24.513 --> 01:16:25.848 What if we're wrong? 01:16:28.520 --> 01:16:29.731 We're not wrong. 01:16:31.526 --> 01:16:33.112 We're not going to look back... 01:16:35.241 --> 01:16:37.370 ...and say we protected the wrong side? 01:16:39.833 --> 01:16:45.093 Protected them from what? In the name of what? What would we be preserving? 01:16:46.262 --> 01:16:49.643 Argument could bemade, 'for the greater good". 01:16:51.939 --> 01:16:54.652 Not once you give it all away. It's no good then. 01:16:56.364 --> 01:16:57.742 It's just a thought. 01:17:04.463 --> 01:17:09.138 Senator, may we not drop this? We know he belonged to the Lawyer's Guild. 01:17:09.263 --> 01:17:11.851 And Mr. Cohn nods his head at me. 01:17:12.018 --> 01:17:15.817 - I did you, I think, no personal injury, Mr. Cohn. - No, sir. 01:17:15.984 --> 01:17:18.572 - I meant to do you no personal injury. - No. 01:17:18.739 --> 01:17:21.828 And if I did, I beg your pardon. 01:17:22.288 --> 01:17:27.756 Let us not assassinate this lad further, Senator. You've done enough. 01:17:28.090 --> 01:17:31.597 - Let's... let's... - Have you no sense of decency, sir? 01:17:31.805 --> 01:17:36.982 At long last, have you left no sense of decency? 01:17:37.399 --> 01:17:41.365 - I know this hurts you, Mr. Welch. - Senator, I think it hurts you, too. 01:17:41.449 --> 01:17:44.955 - I'd like to finish this. - Have you some private reservation... 01:17:45.080 --> 01:17:48.796 ...when you take the oath that you will tell the whole truth... 01:17:49.213 --> 01:17:52.344 ...that lets you be the judge of what you will testify to? 01:17:52.553 --> 01:17:56.143 The answer is there's no reservation about telling the whole truth. 01:17:56.268 --> 01:18:01.695 Thank you, sir. Then tell us who delivered the documents to you! 01:18:01.778 --> 01:18:04.742 I don't want to mean that this new fashion is not chic. 01:18:04.867 --> 01:18:08.666 - I think it's just no good for me. - Uh, not for you. 01:18:08.958 --> 01:18:11.630 Milko, anything you care to say on that subject? 01:18:11.755 --> 01:18:13.133 I think no comment. 01:18:16.807 --> 01:18:20.063 It's got to be there. If you can't find it, I cant write about it. 01:18:20.188 --> 01:18:22.651 - Check again. - Charlie said he dropped it off. 01:18:22.776 --> 01:18:25.865 - Charlie said he dropped... - Shirley, can I see you a minute? 01:18:26.116 --> 01:18:27.702 - I got to call you back. - Joe! 01:18:27.827 --> 01:18:28.787 You, too. 01:18:39.057 --> 01:18:40.142 Close the door. 01:18:43.482 --> 01:18:44.525 Have a seat. 01:18:48.199 --> 01:18:51.288 - How are you? - Fine, thank you. - Swell. Yeah. 01:18:51.997 --> 01:18:55.003 Uh, you both are aware that there's a policy at CBS... 01:18:55.128 --> 01:18:57.257 ...that no two employees can be married. 01:19:00.138 --> 01:19:03.519 I want to ask you a question, but I don't want you to answer it. 01:19:03.561 --> 01:19:05.272 I want you to consider it. 01:19:06.566 --> 01:19:08.153 I know you two are married. 01:19:10.282 --> 01:19:11.367 Everyone knows. 01:19:12.578 --> 01:19:13.788 That's not my question. 01:19:14.206 --> 01:19:17.295 In the next few weeks I have to lay off a couple of people. 01:19:17.378 --> 01:19:20.134 We're making some significant cuts across the board. 01:19:21.469 --> 01:19:23.139 I wanted you to know that... 01:19:23.348 --> 01:19:26.228 ...because you could save someone else being fired. 01:19:28.524 --> 01:19:32.323 I'm asking you to consider makng this decision a little easier. 01:19:34.661 --> 01:19:36.331 I don't need an answer now. 01:19:37.875 --> 01:19:39.962 Just think about it. 01:19:41.549 --> 01:19:42.592 Good. 01:19:54.573 --> 01:19:55.784 - Well, Joe... - Well? 01:19:56.118 --> 01:19:59.416 - Sure we'regonna miss you around here. - I'll pack my things. 01:20:02.672 --> 01:20:05.385 - I think it's for the best. - We'll find out! 01:20:08.015 --> 01:20:09.267 Mrs. Wershba... 01:20:12.190 --> 01:20:13.358 Everybody knew. 01:20:22.417 --> 01:20:24.379 Natalie, did he say what it was about? 01:20:24.421 --> 01:20:27.343 No. Just that he wanted to talk to you in his office. 01:20:42.997 --> 01:20:44.083 Uh-oh! 01:20:47.589 --> 01:20:50.971 The problem isn't simply that you've lost your sponsor. 01:20:51.388 --> 01:20:53.684 With Alcoa, "See It Now" still loses money. 01:20:53.851 --> 01:20:55.229 The fee is 50,000 dollars. 01:20:55.354 --> 01:20:57.817 Last week's episode we did for less than 50,000 dollars. 01:20:57.984 --> 01:20:59.820 Fred, you're speakng beyond your competence. 01:20:59.987 --> 01:21:02.409 We'll certainly find another sponsor. 01:21:02.534 --> 01:21:06.207 "64,000 Dollar Question" brings in over 90,000 in sponsors... 01:21:06.291 --> 01:21:08.420 ...and it costs one-third of what youdo. 01:21:08.545 --> 01:21:11.509 Ed, I've got Tuesday night programming that's number one. 01:21:11.634 --> 01:21:15.099 People want to enjoy themselves. They don't want a civics lesson. 01:21:15.183 --> 01:21:18.063 - What do you want, Bill? - I don't want to get a stomachache... 01:21:18.188 --> 01:21:20.651 ...every time you take on a controversial subject. 01:21:22.363 --> 01:21:25.452 I'm afraid that's the price you have to be willing to pay. 01:21:26.913 --> 01:21:29.835 Let's walk very carefully through these next few moments. 01:21:30.002 --> 01:21:32.298 The content of what we're doing is more important... 01:21:32.465 --> 01:21:35.805 ...than what some guy in Cincinnati... - It's what you'redoing, Ed. Not me. 01:21:35.972 --> 01:21:37.057 Not Frank Stanton. You. 01:21:37.349 --> 01:21:41.440 "CBS News", "See It Now" all belong to you, Bill. 01:21:41.482 --> 01:21:42.609 You wouldn't know it. 01:21:44.404 --> 01:21:49.163 - What is it you want? Credit? - I never censored a single program. 01:21:50.123 --> 01:21:54.548 I hold on to affiliates who wanted entertainment from us. 01:21:54.966 --> 01:21:56.761 I fight to keep the license... 01:21:56.844 --> 01:22:00.184 ...with the very same politicians that you are bringing down... 01:22:00.309 --> 01:22:05.277 ...and I never, never said no to you. Never. 01:22:06.654 --> 01:22:09.827 I would argue that we have done very well by one another. 01:22:10.912 --> 01:22:12.791 I would argue that this network... 01:22:14.126 --> 01:22:17.174 ...is defined by what the news department has accomplished. 01:22:17.299 --> 01:22:21.223 And I would also argue that never saying no is not the same as not censoring. 01:22:21.348 --> 01:22:24.521 Really? You should teach journalism. You and Mr. Friendly. 01:22:30.991 --> 01:22:32.202 Let me ask you this: 01:22:33.997 --> 01:22:35.709 ...why didn't you correct McCarthy... 01:22:35.876 --> 01:22:38.839 ...when he said that Alger Hiss was convicted of treason? 01:22:39.132 --> 01:22:42.722 He was only convicted of perjury. You corrected everything else. 01:22:43.431 --> 01:22:46.604 Did you not want the appearance of defending a known Communist? 01:22:46.771 --> 01:22:49.526 I would argue that everyone censors, including you. 01:22:53.534 --> 01:22:55.287 What do you want to do, Bill? 01:22:59.295 --> 01:23:02.217 I'm takng your program from a half an hour to an hour. 01:23:02.384 --> 01:23:05.765 And it wont be a weekly program and it won't be Tuesday nights. 01:23:06.475 --> 01:23:08.812 - When would it be? - Sunday afternoons. 01:23:12.319 --> 01:23:14.615 - How many episodes? - 5. 01:23:17.370 --> 01:23:19.249 Why don't you just fire me, Bill? 01:23:19.499 --> 01:23:21.837 I don't think it's what either of us wants. 01:23:26.262 --> 01:23:27.639 You owe me 5 shows. 01:23:37.658 --> 01:23:40.246 - You won't like the subject matter. - Probably not. 01:23:40.413 --> 01:23:42.626 Fred, I'll need you for a moment. 01:23:57.362 --> 01:23:59.658 - Thank you, Mary. - Goodbye, Mr. Friendly. 01:24:05.961 --> 01:24:09.176 - He wants me to lay a few people off. - I'm sure he does. 01:24:09.343 --> 01:24:12.390 Let's do our first show about the downfall of television. 01:24:15.604 --> 01:24:18.986 - Senate's gonna vote to censure McCarthy tomorrow. - Probably. 01:24:19.111 --> 01:24:22.242 - And then what happens? - He sits in the back row. - Right. 01:24:22.659 --> 01:24:26.792 - They keep him in the Senate. They don't kick him out. - No, he stays. 01:24:37.479 --> 01:24:39.649 Well, we might as well go down swinging. 01:24:43.699 --> 01:24:46.537 Did you know the most trusted man in America is Milton Berle? 01:24:46.704 --> 01:24:48.583 See, you should have worn a dress! 01:24:50.378 --> 01:24:52.966 - Howd does a Scotch sound? - Scotch sounds good. 01:24:54.051 --> 01:24:56.514 - Did you know Joe and Shirley were married? - Sure. 01:24:56.640 --> 01:24:58.643 - Did everyone know? - Pretty much. 01:24:58.810 --> 01:25:01.524 We are proud because from the beginning of this nation... 01:25:02.025 --> 01:25:03.402 ...man can walk upright. 01:25:06.157 --> 01:25:08.453 No matter who he is or who she is. 01:25:09.330 --> 01:25:13.212 He can walk upright and meet his friend or his enemy. 01:25:14.131 --> 01:25:17.178 And he does not fear that because that enemy... 01:25:18.222 --> 01:25:20.267 ...may be in a position of great power... 01:25:21.353 --> 01:25:26.070 ...that he can be suddenly thrown in jail... 01:25:27.614 --> 01:25:31.121 ...to rott here without charges and with no recourse to justice. 01:25:33.166 --> 01:25:36.214 We have the Habeas Corpus Act and we respect it. 01:25:37.090 --> 01:25:40.221 I began by saying that our history will be what we makeit. 01:25:41.098 --> 01:25:42.517 If we go on as we are... 01:25:42.935 --> 01:25:46.441 ...then history will take its revenge, and retribution will not limp... 01:25:46.483 --> 01:25:47.986 ...in catching up with us. 01:25:49.489 --> 01:25:53.454 Just once in a while, let us exalt the importance of ideas and information. 01:25:54.832 --> 01:25:58.297 Let us dream to the extent of saying that on a given Sunday night... 01:25:58.422 --> 01:26:00.593 ...the time normally occupied by Ed Sullivan... 01:26:00.718 --> 01:26:04.559 ...is given over to a clinical survey on the state of American education. 01:26:04.684 --> 01:26:08.023 And a week or two later, the time normally used by Steve Allen... 01:26:08.107 --> 01:26:12.365 ...is devoted to a thorough-going study of American policy in the Middle East. 01:26:13.408 --> 01:26:16.915 Would the corporate image of their respective sponsors be damaged? 01:26:17.207 --> 01:26:20.338 Would the shareholders rise up in their wrath and complain? 01:26:21.257 --> 01:26:22.175 Would anything happen... 01:26:22.300 --> 01:26:26.015 ...other than a few million people would have received a little illumination... 01:26:26.141 --> 01:26:29.397 ...on subjects that may well determine the future of this country... 01:26:29.522 --> 01:26:31.985 ...and therefore the future of the corporations? 01:26:32.778 --> 01:26:36.201 To those who say, "People wouldn't look, they wouldn't be interested..." 01:26:36.285 --> 01:26:39.207 "...they're tooc omplacent, indifferent and insulated"... 01:26:39.457 --> 01:26:43.298 ...I can only reply: There is, in one reporter's opinion... 01:26:43.799 --> 01:26:46.387 ...considerable evidence against that contention. 01:26:47.472 --> 01:26:50.520 But even if they are right, what have they got to lose? 01:26:50.770 --> 01:26:52.357 Because if they are right... 01:26:52.440 --> 01:26:54.444 ...and this instrument is good for nothing... 01:26:54.527 --> 01:26:57.032 ...but to entertain, amuse and insulate... 01:26:57.825 --> 01:26:59.578 ...then the tube is flickering now... 01:26:59.704 --> 01:27:02.793 ...and we will soon see that the whole struggle is lost. 01:27:03.795 --> 01:27:05.256 This instrument can teach. 01:27:05.673 --> 01:27:08.261 It can illuminate and it can even inspire. 01:27:08.887 --> 01:27:13.020 But it can do so only to the extent that humans are determined to use it... 01:27:13.020 --> 01:27:14.523 ...towards those ends. 01:27:15.942 --> 01:27:18.489 Otherwise, it is merely wiresand lights... 01:27:19.282 --> 01:27:20.367 ...in a box. 01:27:23.456 --> 01:27:25.919 Good night, and good luck.