1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,776 Pat Mitchell: So I was thinking about female friendship a lot, 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,056 and by the way, these two women, 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:07,456 I'm very honored to say, 4 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:10,416 have been my friends for a very long time, too. 5 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:11,656 Jane Fonda: Yes we have. 6 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:15,176 PM: And one of the things that I read about female friendship 7 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:16,816 is something that Cervantes said. 8 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:20,216 He said, "You can tell a lot about someone," 9 00:00:20,240 --> 00:00:21,456 in this case a woman, 10 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:23,896 "by the company that she keeps." 11 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:25,136 So let's start with -- 12 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,360 (Laughter) 13 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:29,936 JF: We're in big trouble. 14 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:31,936 Lily Tomlin: Hand me one of those waters, 15 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:33,176 I'm extremely dry. 16 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:35,040 (Laughter) 17 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:42,720 JF: You're taking up our time. 18 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:44,936 We have a very limited -- 19 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,296 LT: Just being with her sucks the life out of me. 20 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,096 (Laughter) 21 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:51,856 JF: You ain't seen nothing yet. 22 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:53,096 Anyway -- sorry. 23 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:57,496 PM: So tell me, what do you look for in a friend? 24 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,096 LT: I look for someone who has a sense of fun, 25 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,096 who's audacious, 26 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,576 who's forthcoming, who has politics, 27 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:11,456 who has even a small scrap of passion for the planet, 28 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,096 someone who's decent, has a sense of justice, 29 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,216 and who thinks I'm worthwhile. 30 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,216 (Laughter) 31 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,000 (Applause) 32 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:24,776 JF: You know, I was thinking this morning, 33 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,616 I don't even know what I would do without my women friends. 34 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,656 I mean it's, "I have my friends, therefore I am." 35 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:31,896 LT: (Laughter) 36 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:33,136 JF: No, it's true. 37 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,399 I exist because I have my women friends. They -- 38 00:01:36,320 --> 00:01:37,536 You're one of them. 39 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,322 I don't know about you. But anyway -- 40 00:01:39,346 --> 00:01:40,496 (Laughter) 41 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,096 You know, they make me stronger, they make me smarter, 42 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:44,696 they make me braver. 43 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:49,496 They tap me on the shoulder when I might be in need of course-correcting. 44 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,216 And most of them are a good deal younger than me, too. 45 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:54,896 You know? I mean, it's nice -- LT: Thank you. 46 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,376 (Laughter) 47 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,456 JF: No, I do, I include you in that, because listen, you know -- 48 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,656 it's nice to have somebody still around to play with and learn from 49 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:05,576 when you're getting toward the end. 50 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,896 I'm approaching -- I'll be there sooner than you. 51 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,616 LT: No, I'm glad to have you parallel aging alongside me. 52 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:12,696 (Laughter) 53 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:14,216 JF: I'm showing you the way. 54 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:15,456 (Laughter) 55 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,376 LT: Well, you are and you have. 56 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:18,736 PM: Well, as we grow older, 57 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,616 and as we go through different kinds of life's journeys, 58 00:02:21,640 --> 00:02:25,160 what do you do to keep your friendships vital and alive? 59 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:27,856 LT: Well you have to use a lot of -- 60 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,536 JF: She doesn't invite me over much, I'll tell you that. 61 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:32,576 LT: I have to use a lot of social media -- 62 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:34,096 You be quiet now. And so -- 63 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,416 (Laughter) 64 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,456 LT: And I look through my emails, I look through my texts 65 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:40,696 to find my friends, 66 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:42,816 so I can answer them as quickly as possible, 67 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,256 because I know they need my counsel. 68 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,056 (Laughter) 69 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:49,336 They need my support, 70 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,456 because most of my friends are writers, or activists, or actors, 71 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:53,776 and you're all three ... 72 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:57,416 and a long string of other descriptive phrases, 73 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:01,736 and I want to get to you as soon as possible, 74 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:03,816 I want you to know that I'm there for you. 75 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:05,136 JF: Do you do emojis? 76 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,056 LT: Oh ... JF: No? 77 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,536 LT: That's embarrassing. JF: I'm really into emojis. 78 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:10,976 LT: No, I spell out my -- 79 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:15,776 I spell out my words of happiness and congratulations, 80 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:17,456 and sadness. 81 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:18,896 JF: You spell it right out -- 82 00:03:18,920 --> 00:03:20,301 LT: I spell it, every letter. 83 00:03:20,325 --> 00:03:21,896 (Laughter) 84 00:03:21,920 --> 00:03:23,096 JF: Such a purist. 85 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,056 You know, as I've gotten older, 86 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,296 I've understood more the importance of friendships, 87 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,176 and so, I really make an effort 88 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:34,816 to reach out and make play dates -- not let too much time go by. 89 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:36,056 I read a lot 90 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,016 so, as Lily knows all too well, 91 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,096 my books that I like, I send to my friends. 92 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,056 LT: When we knew we would be here today 93 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,896 you sent me a lot of books about women, female friendships, 94 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,456 and I was so surprised to see how many books, 95 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:50,816 how much research has been done recently -- 96 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,336 JF: And were you grateful? LT: I was grateful. 97 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:57,640 (Laughter) 98 00:03:58,400 --> 00:03:59,616 PM: And -- 99 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,816 LT: Wait, no, it's really important because this is another example 100 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:06,216 of how women are overlooked, put aside, marginalized. 101 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,016 There's been very little research done on us, 102 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,016 even though we volunteered lots of times. 103 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:12,296 JF: That's for sure. 104 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,936 (Laughter) 105 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,176 LT: This is really exciting, and you all will be interested in this. 106 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,896 The Harvard Medical School study has shown 107 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:25,136 that women who have close female friendships 108 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,776 are less likely to develop impairments -- 109 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:30,936 physical impairments as they age, 110 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:36,456 and they are likely to be seen to be living much more vital, exciting -- 111 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:37,696 JF: And longer -- 112 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:38,936 LT: Joyful lives. 113 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:40,856 JF: We live five years longer than men. 114 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:42,936 LT: I think I'd trade the years for joy. 115 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,640 (Laughter) 116 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:48,976 LT: But the most important part is they found -- 117 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,856 the results were so exciting and so conclusive -- 118 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:54,776 the researchers found 119 00:04:54,800 --> 00:05:00,536 that not having close female friends is detrimental to your health, 120 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,536 as much as smoking or being overweight. 121 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:05,416 JF: And there's something else, too -- 122 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:06,856 LT: I've said my part, so ... 123 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:07,896 (Laughter) 124 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,576 JF: OK, well, listen to my part, because there's an additional thing. 125 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,776 Because they only -- for years, decades -- 126 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:18,056 they only researched men when they were trying to understand stress, 127 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:22,576 only very recently have they researched what happens to women when we're stressed, 128 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:26,936 and it turns out that when we're stressed -- women, 129 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,176 our bodies get flooded by oxytocin. 130 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,696 Which is a feel-good, calming, stress-reducing hormone. 131 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:38,776 Which is also increased when we're with our women friends. 132 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,176 And I do think that's one reason why we live longer. 133 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,816 And I feel so bad for men because they don't have that. 134 00:05:44,840 --> 00:05:49,056 Testosterone in men diminishes the effects of oxytocin. 135 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,296 LT: Well, when you and I and Dolly made "9 to 5" ... 136 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:53,536 JF: Oh -- 137 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,616 LT: We laughed, we did, we laughed so much, 138 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,336 we found we had so much in common and we're so different. 139 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,075 Here she is, like Hollywood royalty, 140 00:06:00,099 --> 00:06:02,176 I'm like a tough kid from Detroit, 141 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:06,896 she's a Southern kid from a poor town in Tennessee, 142 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:10,336 and we found we were so in sync as women, 143 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:11,576 and we must have -- 144 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:17,736 we laughed -- we must have added at least a decade onto our lifespans. 145 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,536 JF: I think -- we sure crossed our legs a lot. 146 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,536 (Laughter) 147 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,176 If you know what I mean. 148 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,376 LT: I think we all know what you mean. 149 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,416 (Laughter) 150 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,136 PM: You're adding decades to our lives right now. 151 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:37,096 So among the books that Jane sent us both to read on female friendship 152 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,976 was one by a woman we admire greatly, Sister Joan Chittister, 153 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,096 who said about female friendship 154 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:47,376 that women friends are not just a social act, 155 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,296 they're a spiritual act. 156 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,536 Do you think of your friends as spiritual? 157 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:53,976 Do they add something spiritual to your lives? 158 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:58,016 LT: Spiritual -- I absolutely think that. 159 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:01,096 Because -- especially people you've known a long time, 160 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:02,696 people you've spent time with -- 161 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,776 I can see the spiritual essence inside them, 162 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,720 the tenderness, the vulnerability. 163 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:14,616 There's actually kind of a love, an element of love in the relationship. 164 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:18,296 I just see deeply into your soul. 165 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:19,776 PM: Do you think that, Jane -- 166 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:21,360 LT: But I have special powers. 167 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,016 JF: Well, there's all kinds of friends. 168 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,576 There's business friends, and party friends, 169 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:28,016 I've got a lot of those. 170 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,016 (Laughter) 171 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:33,920 But the oxytocin-producing friendships have ... 172 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:39,816 They feel spiritual because it's a heart opening, right? 173 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:41,560 You know, we go deep. And -- 174 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:47,840 I find that I shed tears a lot with my intimate friends. 175 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:54,336 Not because I'm sad but because I'm so touched and inspired by them. 176 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,640 LT: And you know one of you is going to go soon. 177 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,280 (Laughter) 178 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:06,976 PM: Well, two of us are sitting here, Lily, which one are you talking about? 179 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:08,376 (Laughter) 180 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,216 And I always think, when women talk about their friendships, 181 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,496 that men always look a little mystified. 182 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,056 What are the differences, in your opinion, 183 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,056 between men friendships and women friendships? 184 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,056 JF: There's a lot of difference, 185 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,016 and I think we have to have a lot of empathy for men -- 186 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:26,736 (Laughter) 187 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:30,480 that they don't have what we have. 188 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,576 Which I think may be why they die sooner. 189 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:35,135 (Laughter) 190 00:08:35,159 --> 00:08:37,856 I have a lot of compassion for men, 191 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:41,496 because women, no kidding, we -- 192 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:47,136 women's relationships, our friendships are full disclosure, we go deep. 193 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:48,600 They're revelatory. 194 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:54,096 We risk vulnerability -- this is something men don't do. 195 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,656 I mean how many times have I asked you, "am I doing OK?" 196 00:08:57,680 --> 00:08:59,936 "Did I really screw up there?" 197 00:08:59,960 --> 00:09:01,336 PM: You're doing great. 198 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:02,456 (Laughter) 199 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,616 JF: But I mean, we ask questions like that 200 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:06,856 of our women friends, 201 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:08,896 and men don't. 202 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,816 You know, people describe women's relationships as face-to-face, 203 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,856 whereas men's friendships are more side by side. 204 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:19,616 LT: I mean most of the time men don't want to reveal their emotions, 205 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:21,336 they want to bury deeper feelings. 206 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,376 I mean, that's the general, conventional thought. 207 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:28,936 They would rather go off in their man cave and watch a game or hit golf balls, 208 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:33,576 or talk about sports, or hunting, or cars, or have sex. 209 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,856 I mean, it's just the kind of -- it's a more manly behavior. 210 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,176 JF: You meant -- LT: They talk about sex. 211 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:40,896 I meant they might have sex 212 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,296 if they could get somebody in their man cave to -- 213 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,080 (Laughter) 214 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,576 JF: You know something, though, that I find very interesting -- 215 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:54,176 and again, psychologists didn't know this until relatively recently -- 216 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,936 is that men are born every bit as relational as women are. 217 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:01,576 If you look at films of newborn baby boys and girls, 218 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,696 you'll see the baby boys just like the girls, 219 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,056 gazing into their mother's eyes, 220 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:10,256 you know, needing that relational exchange of energy. 221 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:15,576 When the mother looks away, they could see the dismay on the child, 222 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:16,856 even the boy would cry. 223 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:18,736 They need relationship. 224 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:22,736 So the question is why, as they grow older, does that change? 225 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,096 And the answer is patriarchal culture, 226 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,096 which says to boys and young men 227 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:33,376 that to be needing of relationship, to be emotional with someone is girly. 228 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:39,056 That a real man doesn't ask directions or express a need, 229 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,376 they don't go to doctors if they feel bad. 230 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:42,976 They don't ask for help. 231 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:44,696 There's a quote that I really like, 232 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:49,456 "Men fear that becoming we will erase his I." 233 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,176 You know, his sense of self. 234 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:55,696 Whereas women's sense of self has always been kind of porous. 235 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:59,536 But our we is our saving grace, 236 00:10:59,560 --> 00:11:02,016 it's what makes us strong. 237 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:03,776 It's not that we're better than men, 238 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:05,848 we just don't have our masculinity to prove. 239 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:07,656 LT: And, well -- 240 00:11:07,680 --> 00:11:09,336 JF: That's a Gloria Steinem quote. 241 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,736 So we can express our humanity -- LT: I know who Gloria Steinem is. 242 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,237 JF: I know you know who she is, but I think it's a -- 243 00:11:15,261 --> 00:11:17,296 (Laughter) 244 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,176 No, but it's a great quote, I think. 245 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:23,456 We're not better than men, we just don't have our masculinity to prove. 246 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:24,856 And that's really important. 247 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,456 LT: But men are so inculcated in the culture 248 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,616 to be comfortable in the patriarchy. 249 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,576 And we've got to make something different happen. 250 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:37,776 JF: Women's friendships are like a renewable source of power. 251 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,256 LT: Well, that's what's exciting about this subject. 252 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:41,816 It's because our friendships -- 253 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:46,456 female friendships are just a hop to our sisterhood, 254 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,896 and sisterhood can be a very powerful force, 255 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:51,336 to give the world -- 256 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:53,176 to make it what it should be -- 257 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:56,120 the things that humans desperately need. 258 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:58,656 PM: It is why we're talking about it, 259 00:11:58,680 --> 00:12:00,376 because women's friendships are, 260 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:01,616 as you said, Jane, 261 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:02,976 a renewable source of power. 262 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:04,480 So how do we use that power? 263 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:09,136 JF: Well, women are the fastest growing demographic in the world, 264 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:10,376 especially older women. 265 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:14,456 And if we harness our power, we can change the world. 266 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,016 And guess what? We need to. 267 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,176 (Applause) 268 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:19,496 And we need to do it soon. 269 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,016 And one of the things that we need to do -- 270 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:23,576 and we can do it as women -- 271 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,696 for one thing, we kind of set the consumer standards. 272 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,136 We need to consume less. 273 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,136 We in the Western world need to consume less 274 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,376 and when we buy things, we need to buy things that are made locally, 275 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,496 when we buy food, we need to buy food that's grown locally. 276 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,736 We are the ones that need to get off the grid. 277 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:47,496 We need to make ourselves independent from fossil fuels. 278 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,496 And the fossil fuel companies -- 279 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,656 the Exxons and the Shell Oils and those bad guys -- 280 00:12:52,680 --> 00:12:53,896 cause they are -- 281 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:57,776 are going to tell us that we can't do it without going back to the Stone Age. 282 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,656 You know, that the alternatives just aren't quite there yet, 283 00:13:00,680 --> 00:13:02,016 and that's not true. 284 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,096 There are countries in the world right now 285 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,456 that are living mostly on renewable energy and doing just fine. 286 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:11,616 And they tell us that if we do wean ourselves from fossil fuel 287 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:13,776 that we're going to be back in the Stone Age, 288 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,976 and in fact, if we begin to use renewable energy, 289 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,166 and not drill in the Arctic, and not drill -- 290 00:13:20,190 --> 00:13:21,356 LT: Oh, boy. 291 00:13:21,380 --> 00:13:23,496 JF: And not drill in the Alberta tar sands -- 292 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:24,736 Right. 293 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:26,000 That we will be -- 294 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,416 there will be more democracy and more jobs and more well-being, 295 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,656 and it's women that are going to lead the way. 296 00:13:31,680 --> 00:13:36,056 LT: Maybe we have the momentum to start a third-wave feminist movement 297 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,656 with our sisterhood around the world, 298 00:13:38,680 --> 00:13:41,856 with women we don't see, women we may never meet, 299 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:44,376 but we join together that way, 300 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:45,616 because -- 301 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:46,840 Aristotle said -- 302 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:49,136 most people -- 303 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:52,056 people would die without male friendships. 304 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,336 And the operative word here was "male." 305 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,296 Because they thought that friendships should be between equals 306 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,536 and women were not considered equal -- 307 00:14:00,560 --> 00:14:03,016 JF: They didn't think we had souls even, the Greeks. 308 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:06,896 LT: No, exactly. That shows you just how limited Aristotle was. 309 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:08,600 (Laughter) 310 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:11,416 And wait, no, here's the best part. 311 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:15,056 It's like, you know, men do need women now. 312 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,216 The planet needs women. 313 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,696 The US Constitution needs women. 314 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,496 We are not even in the Constitution. 315 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,976 JF: You're talking about the Equal Rights Amendment. 316 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:26,158 LT: Right. 317 00:14:26,182 --> 00:14:30,080 Justice Ginsberg said something like -- 318 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:35,496 every constitution that's been written since the end of World War II 319 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:40,496 included a provision that made women citizens of equal stature, 320 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,216 but ours does not. 321 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,136 So that would be a good place to start. 322 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,216 Very, very mild -- 323 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:47,456 JF: Right. 324 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:48,680 (Applause) 325 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,856 And gender equality, it's like a tide, 326 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:54,816 it would lift all boats, not just women. 327 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:57,376 PM: Needing new role models on how to do that. 328 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:58,816 How to be friends, 329 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,736 how to think about our power in different ways, 330 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:02,976 as consumers, 331 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:04,656 as citizens of the world, 332 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,096 and this is what makes Jane and Lily 333 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,856 a role model of how women can be friends -- 334 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:11,496 for a very long time, 335 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:13,936 and even if they occasionally disagree. 336 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:15,160 Thank you. 337 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:17,576 Thank you both. 338 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:18,816 (Applause) 339 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:20,040 JF: Thanks. 340 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:24,776 LT: Thank you. 341 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:26,000 JF: Thank you.