WEBVTT 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:03.776 Pat Mitchell: So I was thinking about female friendship a lot, 00:00:03.800 --> 00:00:06.056 and by the way, these two women, 00:00:06.080 --> 00:00:07.456 I'm very honored to say, 00:00:07.480 --> 00:00:10.416 have been my friends for a very long time, too. 00:00:10.440 --> 00:00:11.656 Jane Fonda: Yes we have. NOTE Paragraph 00:00:11.680 --> 00:00:15.176 PM: And one of the things that I read about female friendship 00:00:15.200 --> 00:00:16.816 is something that Cervantes said. 00:00:16.840 --> 00:00:20.216 He said, "You can tell a lot about someone," 00:00:20.240 --> 00:00:21.456 in this case a woman, 00:00:21.480 --> 00:00:23.896 "by the company that she keeps." 00:00:23.920 --> 00:00:25.136 So let's start with -- NOTE Paragraph 00:00:25.160 --> 00:00:27.360 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:00:28.320 --> 00:00:29.936 JF: We're in big trouble. NOTE Paragraph 00:00:29.960 --> 00:00:31.936 Lily Tomlin: Hand me one of those waters, 00:00:31.960 --> 00:00:33.176 I'm extremely dry. NOTE Paragraph 00:00:33.200 --> 00:00:35.040 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:00:41.000 --> 00:00:42.720 JF: You're taking up our time. 00:00:43.640 --> 00:00:44.936 We have a very limited -- NOTE Paragraph 00:00:44.960 --> 00:00:47.296 LT: Just being with her sucks the life out of me. NOTE Paragraph 00:00:47.320 --> 00:00:50.096 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:00:50.120 --> 00:00:51.856 JF: You ain't seen nothing yet. 00:00:51.880 --> 00:00:53.096 Anyway -- sorry. NOTE Paragraph 00:00:53.120 --> 00:00:57.496 PM: So tell me, what do you look for in a friend? NOTE Paragraph 00:00:57.520 --> 00:01:00.096 LT: I look for someone who has a sense of fun, 00:01:00.120 --> 00:01:03.096 who's audacious, 00:01:03.120 --> 00:01:06.576 who's forthcoming, who has politics, 00:01:06.600 --> 00:01:11.456 who has even a small scrap of passion for the planet, 00:01:11.480 --> 00:01:14.096 someone who's decent, has a sense of justice 00:01:14.120 --> 00:01:16.216 and who thinks I'm worthwhile. NOTE Paragraph 00:01:16.240 --> 00:01:18.216 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:01:18.240 --> 00:01:21.000 (Applause) NOTE Paragraph 00:01:22.760 --> 00:01:24.776 JF: You know, I was thinking this morning, 00:01:24.800 --> 00:01:27.616 I don't even know what I would do without my women friends. 00:01:27.640 --> 00:01:30.656 I mean it's, "I have my friends, therefore I am." NOTE Paragraph 00:01:30.680 --> 00:01:31.896 LT: (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:01:31.920 --> 00:01:33.136 JF: No, it's true. 00:01:33.160 --> 00:01:35.399 I exist because I have my women friends. They -- 00:01:36.320 --> 00:01:37.536 You're one of them. 00:01:37.560 --> 00:01:39.322 I don't know about you. But anyway -- NOTE Paragraph 00:01:39.346 --> 00:01:40.496 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:01:40.520 --> 00:01:43.096 You know, they make me stronger, they make me smarter, 00:01:43.120 --> 00:01:44.696 they make me braver. 00:01:44.720 --> 00:01:49.496 They tap me on the shoulder when I might be in need of course-correcting. 00:01:49.520 --> 00:01:52.216 And most of them are a good deal younger than me, too. 00:01:52.240 --> 00:01:54.896 You know? I mean, it's nice -- LT: Thank you. NOTE Paragraph 00:01:54.920 --> 00:01:57.376 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:01:57.400 --> 00:02:00.456 JF: No, I do, I include you in that, because listen, you know -- 00:02:00.480 --> 00:02:03.656 it's nice to have somebody still around to play with and learn from 00:02:03.680 --> 00:02:05.576 when you're getting toward the end. 00:02:05.600 --> 00:02:07.896 I'm approaching -- I'll be there sooner than you. NOTE Paragraph 00:02:07.920 --> 00:02:10.616 LT: No, I'm glad to have you parallel aging alongside me. NOTE Paragraph 00:02:10.639 --> 00:02:12.696 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:02:12.720 --> 00:02:14.216 JF: I'm showing you the way. NOTE Paragraph 00:02:14.240 --> 00:02:15.456 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:02:15.480 --> 00:02:17.376 LT: Well, you are and you have. NOTE Paragraph 00:02:17.400 --> 00:02:18.736 PM: Well, as we grow older, 00:02:18.760 --> 00:02:21.616 and as we go through different kinds of life's journeys, 00:02:21.640 --> 00:02:25.160 what do you do to keep your friendships vital and alive? NOTE Paragraph 00:02:26.120 --> 00:02:27.856 LT: Well you have to use a lot of -- NOTE Paragraph 00:02:27.880 --> 00:02:30.536 JF: She doesn't invite me over much, I'll tell you that. NOTE Paragraph 00:02:30.560 --> 00:02:32.576 LT: I have to use a lot of social media -- 00:02:32.600 --> 00:02:34.096 You be quiet now. And so -- NOTE Paragraph 00:02:34.120 --> 00:02:36.416 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:02:36.440 --> 00:02:39.456 LT: And I look through my emails, I look through my texts 00:02:39.480 --> 00:02:40.696 to find my friends, 00:02:40.720 --> 00:02:42.816 so I can answer them as quickly as possible, 00:02:42.840 --> 00:02:45.256 because I know they need my counsel. NOTE Paragraph 00:02:45.280 --> 00:02:48.056 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:02:48.080 --> 00:02:49.336 They need my support, 00:02:49.360 --> 00:02:52.456 because most of my friends are writers, or activists, or actors, 00:02:52.480 --> 00:02:53.776 and you're all three ... 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:57.416 and a long string of other descriptive phrases, 00:02:57.440 --> 00:03:01.736 and I want to get to you as soon as possible, 00:03:01.760 --> 00:03:03.816 I want you to know that I'm there for you. NOTE Paragraph 00:03:03.840 --> 00:03:05.136 JF: Do you do emojis? NOTE Paragraph 00:03:05.160 --> 00:03:07.056 LT: Oh ... JF: No? NOTE Paragraph 00:03:07.080 --> 00:03:09.536 LT: That's embarrassing. JF: I'm really into emojis. NOTE Paragraph 00:03:09.560 --> 00:03:10.976 LT: No, I spell out my -- 00:03:11.000 --> 00:03:15.776 I spell out my words of happiness and congratulations, 00:03:15.800 --> 00:03:17.456 and sadness. NOTE Paragraph 00:03:17.480 --> 00:03:18.896 JF: You spell it right out -- NOTE Paragraph 00:03:18.920 --> 00:03:20.301 LT: I spell it, every letter. NOTE Paragraph 00:03:20.325 --> 00:03:21.896 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:03:21.920 --> 00:03:23.096 JF: Such a purist. 00:03:23.120 --> 00:03:25.056 You know, as I've gotten older, 00:03:25.080 --> 00:03:28.296 I've understood more the importance of friendships, 00:03:28.320 --> 00:03:30.176 and so, I really make an effort 00:03:30.200 --> 00:03:34.816 to reach out and make play dates -- not let too much time go by. 00:03:34.840 --> 00:03:36.056 I read a lot 00:03:36.080 --> 00:03:38.016 so, as Lily knows all too well, 00:03:38.040 --> 00:03:40.096 my books that I like, I send to my friends. NOTE Paragraph 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:42.056 LT: When we knew we would be here today 00:03:42.080 --> 00:03:44.896 you sent me a lot of books about women, female friendships, 00:03:44.920 --> 00:03:48.456 and I was so surprised to see how many books, 00:03:48.480 --> 00:03:50.816 how much research has been done recently -- NOTE Paragraph 00:03:50.840 --> 00:03:53.336 JF: And were you grateful? LT: I was grateful. NOTE Paragraph 00:03:53.360 --> 00:03:57.640 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:03:58.400 --> 00:03:59.616 PM: And -- NOTE Paragraph 00:03:59.640 --> 00:04:02.816 LT: Wait, no, it's really important because this is another example 00:04:02.840 --> 00:04:06.216 of how women are overlooked, put aside, marginalized. 00:04:06.240 --> 00:04:09.016 There's been very little research done on us, 00:04:09.040 --> 00:04:11.016 even though we volunteered lots of times. NOTE Paragraph 00:04:11.040 --> 00:04:12.296 JF: That's for sure. NOTE Paragraph 00:04:12.320 --> 00:04:14.936 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:04:14.960 --> 00:04:18.176 LT: This is really exciting, and you all will be interested in this. 00:04:18.200 --> 00:04:20.896 The Harvard Medical School study has shown 00:04:20.920 --> 00:04:25.136 that women who have close female friendships 00:04:25.160 --> 00:04:28.776 are less likely to develop impairments -- 00:04:28.800 --> 00:04:30.936 physical impairments as they age, 00:04:30.960 --> 00:04:36.456 and they are likely to be seen to be living much more vital, exciting -- NOTE Paragraph 00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:37.696 JF: And longer -- NOTE Paragraph 00:04:37.720 --> 00:04:38.936 LT: Joyful lives. NOTE Paragraph 00:04:38.960 --> 00:04:40.856 JF: We live five years longer than men. NOTE Paragraph 00:04:40.880 --> 00:04:42.936 LT: I think I'd trade the years for joy. NOTE Paragraph 00:04:42.960 --> 00:04:45.640 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:48.976 LT: But the most important part is they found -- 00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:52.856 the results were so exciting and so conclusive -- 00:04:52.880 --> 00:04:54.776 the researchers found 00:04:54.800 --> 00:05:00.536 that not having close female friends is detrimental to your health, 00:05:00.560 --> 00:05:03.536 as much as smoking or being overweight. NOTE Paragraph 00:05:03.560 --> 00:05:05.416 JF: And there's something else, too -- NOTE Paragraph 00:05:05.440 --> 00:05:06.856 LT: I've said my part, so ... NOTE Paragraph 00:05:06.880 --> 00:05:07.896 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:05:07.920 --> 00:05:11.576 JF: OK, well, listen to my part, because there's an additional thing. 00:05:11.600 --> 00:05:13.776 Because they only -- for years, decades -- 00:05:13.800 --> 00:05:18.056 they only researched men when they were trying to understand stress, 00:05:18.080 --> 00:05:22.576 only very recently have they researched what happens to women when we're stressed, 00:05:22.600 --> 00:05:26.936 and it turns out that when we're stressed -- women, 00:05:26.960 --> 00:05:30.176 our bodies get flooded by oxytocin. 00:05:30.200 --> 00:05:33.696 Which is a feel-good, calming, stress-reducing hormone. 00:05:33.720 --> 00:05:38.776 Which is also increased when we're with our women friends. 00:05:38.800 --> 00:05:42.176 And I do think that's one reason why we live longer. 00:05:42.200 --> 00:05:44.816 And I feel so bad for men because they don't have that. 00:05:44.840 --> 00:05:49.056 Testosterone in men diminishes the effects of oxytocin. NOTE Paragraph 00:05:49.080 --> 00:05:52.296 LT: Well, when you and I and Dolly made "9 to 5" ... NOTE Paragraph 00:05:52.320 --> 00:05:53.536 JF: Oh -- NOTE Paragraph 00:05:53.560 --> 00:05:55.616 LT: We laughed, we did, we laughed so much, 00:05:55.640 --> 00:05:58.336 we found we had so much in common and we're so different. 00:05:58.360 --> 00:06:00.075 Here she is, like Hollywood royalty, 00:06:00.099 --> 00:06:02.176 I'm like a tough kid from Detroit, 00:06:02.200 --> 00:06:06.896 [Dolly's] a Southern kid from a poor town in Tennessee, 00:06:06.920 --> 00:06:10.336 and we found we were so in sync as women, 00:06:10.360 --> 00:06:11.576 and we must have -- 00:06:11.600 --> 00:06:17.736 we laughed -- we must have added at least a decade onto our lifespans. NOTE Paragraph 00:06:17.760 --> 00:06:20.536 JF: I think -- we sure crossed our legs a lot. NOTE Paragraph 00:06:20.560 --> 00:06:22.536 (Laughter) 00:06:22.560 --> 00:06:25.176 If you know what I mean. NOTE Paragraph 00:06:25.200 --> 00:06:27.376 LT: I think we all know what you mean. NOTE Paragraph 00:06:27.400 --> 00:06:29.416 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:06:29.440 --> 00:06:32.136 PM: You're adding decades to our lives right now. 00:06:32.160 --> 00:06:37.096 So among the books that Jane sent us both to read on female friendship 00:06:37.120 --> 00:06:40.976 was one by a woman we admire greatly, Sister Joan Chittister, 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:43.096 who said about female friendship 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:47.376 that women friends are not just a social act, 00:06:47.400 --> 00:06:49.296 they're a spiritual act. 00:06:49.320 --> 00:06:51.536 Do you think of your friends as spiritual? 00:06:51.560 --> 00:06:53.976 Do they add something spiritual to your lives? NOTE Paragraph 00:06:54.000 --> 00:06:58.016 LT: Spiritual -- I absolutely think that. 00:06:58.040 --> 00:07:01.096 Because -- especially people you've known a long time, 00:07:01.120 --> 00:07:02.696 people you've spent time with -- 00:07:02.720 --> 00:07:05.776 I can see the spiritual essence inside them, 00:07:05.800 --> 00:07:08.720 the tenderness, the vulnerability. 00:07:10.440 --> 00:07:14.616 There's actually kind of a love, an element of love in the relationship. 00:07:14.640 --> 00:07:18.296 I just see deeply into your soul. NOTE Paragraph 00:07:18.320 --> 00:07:19.776 PM: Do you think that, Jane -- NOTE Paragraph 00:07:19.800 --> 00:07:21.360 LT: But I have special powers. NOTE Paragraph 00:07:22.120 --> 00:07:24.016 JF: Well, there's all kinds of friends. 00:07:24.040 --> 00:07:26.576 There's business friends, and party friends, 00:07:26.600 --> 00:07:28.016 I've got a lot of those. NOTE Paragraph 00:07:28.040 --> 00:07:30.016 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:07:30.040 --> 00:07:33.920 But the oxytocin-producing friendships have ... 00:07:35.320 --> 00:07:39.816 They feel spiritual because it's a heart opening, right? 00:07:39.840 --> 00:07:41.560 You know, we go deep. And -- 00:07:42.840 --> 00:07:47.840 I find that I shed tears a lot with my intimate friends. 00:07:49.040 --> 00:07:54.336 Not because I'm sad but because I'm so touched and inspired by them. NOTE Paragraph 00:07:54.360 --> 00:07:56.640 LT: And you know one of you is going to go soon. NOTE Paragraph 00:07:57.120 --> 00:08:00.280 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:08:02.520 --> 00:08:06.976 PM: Well, two of us are sitting here, Lily, which one are you talking about? NOTE Paragraph 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:08.376 (Laughter) 00:08:08.400 --> 00:08:11.216 And I always think, when women talk about their friendships, 00:08:11.240 --> 00:08:14.496 that men always look a little mystified. 00:08:14.520 --> 00:08:17.056 What are the differences, in your opinion, 00:08:17.080 --> 00:08:20.056 between men friendships and women friendships? NOTE Paragraph 00:08:20.080 --> 00:08:22.056 JF: There's a lot of difference, 00:08:22.080 --> 00:08:25.016 and I think we have to have a lot of empathy for men -- NOTE Paragraph 00:08:25.040 --> 00:08:26.736 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:08:26.760 --> 00:08:30.480 that they don't have what we have. 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:33.576 Which I think may be why they die sooner. NOTE Paragraph 00:08:33.600 --> 00:08:35.135 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:08:35.159 --> 00:08:37.856 I have a lot of compassion for men, 00:08:37.880 --> 00:08:41.496 because women, no kidding, we -- 00:08:41.520 --> 00:08:47.136 women's relationships, our friendships are full disclosure, we go deep. 00:08:47.160 --> 00:08:48.600 They're revelatory. 00:08:49.760 --> 00:08:54.096 We risk vulnerability -- this is something men don't do. 00:08:54.120 --> 00:08:57.656 I mean how many times have I asked you, "Am I doing OK?" 00:08:57.680 --> 00:08:59.936 "Did I really screw up there?" NOTE Paragraph 00:08:59.960 --> 00:09:01.336 PM: You're doing great. NOTE Paragraph 00:09:01.360 --> 00:09:02.456 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:09:02.480 --> 00:09:05.616 JF: But I mean, we ask questions like that 00:09:05.640 --> 00:09:06.856 of our women friends, 00:09:06.880 --> 00:09:08.896 and men don't. 00:09:08.920 --> 00:09:12.816 You know, people describe women's relationships as face-to-face, 00:09:12.840 --> 00:09:15.856 whereas men's friendships are more side-by-side. NOTE Paragraph 00:09:15.880 --> 00:09:19.616 LT: I mean most of the time men don't want to reveal their emotions, 00:09:19.640 --> 00:09:21.336 they want to bury deeper feelings. 00:09:21.360 --> 00:09:24.376 I mean, that's the general, conventional thought. 00:09:24.400 --> 00:09:28.936 They would rather go off in their man cave and watch a game or hit golf balls, 00:09:28.960 --> 00:09:33.576 or talk about sports, or hunting, or cars or have sex. 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:36.856 I mean, it's just the kind of -- it's a more manly behavior. NOTE Paragraph 00:09:36.880 --> 00:09:39.176 JF: You meant -- LT: They talk about sex. 00:09:39.200 --> 00:09:40.896 I meant they might have sex 00:09:40.920 --> 00:09:43.296 if they could get somebody in their man cave to -- NOTE Paragraph 00:09:43.320 --> 00:09:45.080 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:09:46.360 --> 00:09:49.576 JF: You know something, though, that I find very interesting -- 00:09:49.600 --> 00:09:54.176 and again, psychologists didn't know this until relatively recently -- 00:09:54.200 --> 00:09:57.936 is that men are born every bit as relational as women are. 00:09:57.960 --> 00:10:01.576 If you look at films of newborn baby boys and girls, 00:10:01.600 --> 00:10:03.696 you'll see the baby boys just like the girls, 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:06.056 gazing into their mother's eyes, 00:10:06.080 --> 00:10:10.256 you know, needing that relational exchange of energy. 00:10:10.280 --> 00:10:15.576 When the mother looks away, they could see the dismay on the child, 00:10:15.600 --> 00:10:16.856 even the boy would cry. 00:10:16.880 --> 00:10:18.736 They need relationship. 00:10:18.760 --> 00:10:22.736 So the question is why, as they grow older, does that change? 00:10:22.760 --> 00:10:25.096 And the answer is patriarchal culture, 00:10:25.120 --> 00:10:28.096 which says to boys and young men 00:10:28.120 --> 00:10:33.376 that to be needing of relationship, to be emotional with someone is girly. 00:10:33.400 --> 00:10:39.056 That a real man doesn't ask directions or express a need, 00:10:39.080 --> 00:10:41.376 they don't go to doctors if they feel bad. 00:10:41.400 --> 00:10:42.976 They don't ask for help. 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:44.696 There's a quote that I really like, 00:10:44.720 --> 00:10:49.456 "Men fear that becoming 'we' will erase his 'I'." 00:10:49.480 --> 00:10:51.176 You know, his sense of self. 00:10:51.200 --> 00:10:55.696 Whereas women's sense of self has always been kind of porous. 00:10:55.720 --> 00:10:59.536 But our "we" is our saving grace, 00:10:59.560 --> 00:11:02.016 it's what makes us strong. 00:11:02.040 --> 00:11:03.776 It's not that we're better than men, 00:11:03.800 --> 00:11:05.848 we just don't have our masculinity to prove. NOTE Paragraph 00:11:06.440 --> 00:11:07.656 LT: And, well -- NOTE Paragraph 00:11:07.680 --> 00:11:09.336 JF: That's a Gloria Steinem quote. 00:11:09.360 --> 00:11:12.736 So we can express our humanity -- LT: I know who Gloria Steinem is. NOTE Paragraph 00:11:12.760 --> 00:11:15.237 JF: I know you know who she is, but I think it's a -- NOTE Paragraph 00:11:15.261 --> 00:11:17.296 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:11:17.320 --> 00:11:19.176 No, but it's a great quote, I think. 00:11:19.200 --> 00:11:23.456 We're not better than men, we just don't have our masculinity to prove. 00:11:23.480 --> 00:11:24.856 And that's really important. NOTE Paragraph 00:11:24.880 --> 00:11:27.456 LT: But men are so inculcated in the culture 00:11:27.480 --> 00:11:30.616 to be comfortable in the patriarchy. 00:11:30.640 --> 00:11:33.576 And we've got to make something different happen. NOTE Paragraph 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:37.776 JF: Women's friendships are like a renewable source of power. NOTE Paragraph 00:11:37.800 --> 00:11:40.256 LT: Well, that's what's exciting about this subject. 00:11:40.280 --> 00:11:41.816 It's because our friendships -- 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:46.456 female friendships are just a hop to our sisterhood, 00:11:46.480 --> 00:11:49.896 and sisterhood can be a very powerful force, 00:11:49.920 --> 00:11:51.336 to give the world -- 00:11:51.360 --> 00:11:53.176 to make it what it should be -- 00:11:53.200 --> 00:11:56.120 the things that humans desperately need. NOTE Paragraph 00:11:56.840 --> 00:11:58.656 PM: It is why we're talking about it, 00:11:58.680 --> 00:12:00.376 because women's friendships are, 00:12:00.400 --> 00:12:01.616 as you said, Jane, 00:12:01.640 --> 00:12:02.976 a renewable source of power. 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:04.480 So how do we use that power? NOTE Paragraph 00:12:05.760 --> 00:12:09.136 JF: Well, women are the fastest growing demographic in the world, 00:12:09.160 --> 00:12:10.376 especially older women. 00:12:10.400 --> 00:12:14.456 And if we harness our power, we can change the world. 00:12:14.480 --> 00:12:16.016 And guess what? We need to. NOTE Paragraph 00:12:16.040 --> 00:12:18.176 (Applause) NOTE Paragraph 00:12:18.200 --> 00:12:19.496 And we need to do it soon. 00:12:19.520 --> 00:12:22.016 And one of the things that we need to do -- 00:12:22.040 --> 00:12:23.576 and we can do it as women -- 00:12:23.600 --> 00:12:26.696 for one thing, we kind of set the consumer standards. 00:12:26.720 --> 00:12:29.136 We need to consume less. 00:12:29.160 --> 00:12:32.136 We in the Western world need to consume less 00:12:32.160 --> 00:12:35.376 and when we buy things, we need to buy things that are made locally, 00:12:35.400 --> 00:12:38.496 when we buy food, we need to buy food that's grown locally. 00:12:38.520 --> 00:12:41.736 We are the ones that need to get off the grid. 00:12:41.760 --> 00:12:47.496 We need to make ourselves independent from fossil fuels. 00:12:47.520 --> 00:12:49.496 And the fossil fuel companies -- 00:12:49.520 --> 00:12:52.656 the Exxons and the Shell Oils and those bad guys -- 00:12:52.680 --> 00:12:53.896 cause they are -- 00:12:53.920 --> 00:12:57.776 are going to tell us that we can't do it without going back to the Stone Age. 00:12:57.800 --> 00:13:00.656 You know, that the alternatives just aren't quite there yet, 00:13:00.680 --> 00:13:02.016 and that's not true. 00:13:02.040 --> 00:13:04.096 There are countries in the world right now 00:13:04.120 --> 00:13:07.456 that are living mostly on renewable energy and doing just fine. 00:13:07.480 --> 00:13:11.616 And they tell us that if we do wean ourselves from fossil fuel 00:13:11.640 --> 00:13:13.776 that we're going to be back in the Stone Age, 00:13:13.800 --> 00:13:17.976 and in fact, if we begin to use renewable energy, 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:20.166 and not drill in the Arctic, and not drill -- NOTE Paragraph 00:13:20.190 --> 00:13:21.356 LT: Oh, boy. NOTE Paragraph 00:13:21.380 --> 00:13:23.496 JF: And not drill in the Alberta tar sands -- 00:13:23.520 --> 00:13:24.736 Right. 00:13:24.760 --> 00:13:26.000 That we will be -- 00:13:26.040 --> 00:13:29.416 there will be more democracy and more jobs and more well-being, 00:13:29.440 --> 00:13:31.656 and it's women that are going to lead the way. NOTE Paragraph 00:13:31.680 --> 00:13:36.056 LT: Maybe we have the momentum to start a third-wave feminist movement 00:13:36.080 --> 00:13:38.656 with our sisterhood around the world, 00:13:38.680 --> 00:13:41.856 with women we don't see, women we may never meet, 00:13:41.880 --> 00:13:44.376 but we join together that way, 00:13:44.400 --> 00:13:45.616 because -- 00:13:45.640 --> 00:13:46.840 Aristotle said -- 00:13:47.920 --> 00:13:49.136 most people -- 00:13:49.160 --> 00:13:52.056 people would die without male friendships. 00:13:52.080 --> 00:13:55.336 And the operative word here was "male." 00:13:55.360 --> 00:13:58.296 Because they thought that friendships should be between equals 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:00.536 and women were not considered equal -- NOTE Paragraph 00:14:00.560 --> 00:14:03.016 JF: They didn't think we had souls even, the Greeks. NOTE Paragraph 00:14:03.040 --> 00:14:06.896 LT: No, exactly. That shows you just how limited Aristotle was. NOTE Paragraph 00:14:06.920 --> 00:14:08.600 (Laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:14:09.520 --> 00:14:11.416 And wait, no, here's the best part. 00:14:11.440 --> 00:14:15.056 It's like, you know, men do need women now. 00:14:15.080 --> 00:14:17.216 The planet needs women. 00:14:17.240 --> 00:14:19.696 The US Constitution needs women. 00:14:19.720 --> 00:14:22.496 We are not even in the Constitution. NOTE Paragraph 00:14:22.520 --> 00:14:24.976 JF: You're talking about the Equal Rights Amendment. NOTE Paragraph 00:14:25.000 --> 00:14:26.158 LT: Right. 00:14:26.182 --> 00:14:30.080 Justice Ginsberg said something like -- 00:14:31.920 --> 00:14:35.496 every constitution that's been written since the end of World War II 00:14:35.520 --> 00:14:40.496 included a provision that made women citizens of equal stature, 00:14:40.520 --> 00:14:42.216 but ours does not. 00:14:42.240 --> 00:14:44.136 So that would be a good place to start. 00:14:44.160 --> 00:14:46.216 Very, very mild -- NOTE Paragraph 00:14:46.240 --> 00:14:47.456 JF: Right. NOTE Paragraph 00:14:47.480 --> 00:14:48.680 (Applause) NOTE Paragraph 00:14:50.200 --> 00:14:52.856 And gender equality, it's like a tide, 00:14:52.880 --> 00:14:54.816 it would lift all boats, not just women. NOTE Paragraph 00:14:54.840 --> 00:14:57.376 PM: Needing new role models on how to do that. 00:14:57.400 --> 00:14:58.816 How to be friends, 00:14:58.840 --> 00:15:01.736 how to think about our power in different ways, 00:15:01.760 --> 00:15:02.976 as consumers, 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:04.656 as citizens of the world, 00:15:04.680 --> 00:15:07.096 and this is what makes Jane and Lily 00:15:07.120 --> 00:15:09.856 a role model of how women can be friends -- 00:15:09.880 --> 00:15:11.496 for a very long time, 00:15:11.520 --> 00:15:13.936 and even if they occasionally disagree. NOTE Paragraph 00:15:13.960 --> 00:15:15.160 Thank you. 00:15:16.360 --> 00:15:17.576 Thank you both. NOTE Paragraph 00:15:17.600 --> 00:15:18.816 (Applause) NOTE Paragraph 00:15:18.840 --> 00:15:20.040 JF: Thanks. NOTE Paragraph 00:15:23.560 --> 00:15:24.776 LT: Thank you. NOTE Paragraph 00:15:24.800 --> 00:15:26.000 JF: Thank you. NOTE Paragraph 00:15:26.053 --> 00:15:31.120 (Applause)