WEBVTT 00:00:00.440 --> 00:00:04.082 Pat Mitchell: So I was thinking about female friendship a lot, 00:00:04.082 --> 00:00:06.202 and by the way, these two women, 00:00:06.202 --> 00:00:07.632 I'm very honored to say, 00:00:07.632 --> 00:00:10.662 have been my friends for a very long time, too. 00:00:10.662 --> 00:00:11.936 Jane Fonda: Yes we have. 00:00:11.936 --> 00:00:15.351 PM: And one of the things that I read about female friendship 00:00:15.351 --> 00:00:16.995 is something that Cervantes said. 00:00:16.995 --> 00:00:20.520 He said, "You can tell a lot about someone," 00:00:20.520 --> 00:00:21.672 in this case a woman, 00:00:21.672 --> 00:00:24.149 "by the company that she keeps." 00:00:24.149 --> 00:00:25.235 So let's start with -- 00:00:25.235 --> 00:00:27.371 (Laughter) 00:00:28.537 --> 00:00:30.118 JF: We're in big trouble. 00:00:30.118 --> 00:00:32.074 Lily Tomlin: Hand me one of those waters, 00:00:32.074 --> 00:00:33.872 I'm extremely dry. 00:00:33.872 --> 00:00:36.418 (Laughter) 00:00:41.282 --> 00:00:43.209 JF: You're taking up our time. 00:00:44.044 --> 00:00:45.251 We have a very limited -- 00:00:45.251 --> 00:00:47.562 LT: Just being with her sucks the life out of me. 00:00:47.562 --> 00:00:49.721 (Laughter) 00:00:50.477 --> 00:00:52.208 JF: You ain't seen nothing yet. 00:00:52.208 --> 00:00:53.894 Anyway -- sorry. 00:00:53.894 --> 00:00:57.160 PM: So tell me, what do you look for in a friend? 00:00:57.860 --> 00:01:00.239 LT: I look for someone who has a sense of fun, 00:01:00.239 --> 00:01:03.375 who's audacious, 00:01:03.375 --> 00:01:06.767 who's forthcoming, who has politics, 00:01:06.767 --> 00:01:11.721 who has even a small scrap of passion for the planet, 00:01:11.721 --> 00:01:14.305 someone who's decent, has a sense of justice, 00:01:14.305 --> 00:01:16.580 and who thinks I'm worthwhile. 00:01:16.815 --> 00:01:18.229 (Laughter) 00:01:18.229 --> 00:01:19.814 (Applause) 00:01:22.760 --> 00:01:24.714 JF: You know I was thinking this morning, 00:01:24.714 --> 00:01:27.632 I don't even know what I would do without my women friends. 00:01:27.632 --> 00:01:30.603 I mean it's, "I have my friends, therefore I am." 00:01:31.091 --> 00:01:32.298 LT: (Laughter) 00:01:32.298 --> 00:01:33.204 JF: No, it's true. 00:01:33.204 --> 00:01:35.113 I exist because I have my women friends. 00:01:35.113 --> 00:01:36.645 They -- 00:01:36.645 --> 00:01:37.830 You're one of them. 00:01:37.830 --> 00:01:38.935 I don't know about you. 00:01:38.935 --> 00:01:39.818 But anyway -- 00:01:39.818 --> 00:01:40.822 (Laughter) 00:01:40.822 --> 00:01:43.399 You know, they make me stronger, they make me smarter, 00:01:43.399 --> 00:01:44.929 they make me braver. 00:01:44.929 --> 00:01:48.737 They tap me on the shoulder when I might be in need of course-correcting. 00:01:49.736 --> 00:01:52.452 And most of them are a good deal younger than me, too. 00:01:52.754 --> 00:01:54.356 LT: Thank you. 00:01:55.030 --> 00:01:56.446 (Laughter) 00:01:57.839 --> 00:01:59.116 JF: No I do, I include you in that, 00:01:59.418 --> 00:02:00.834 because listen, you know -- 00:02:01.090 --> 00:02:03.574 it's nice to have somebody still around to play with and learn from 00:02:03.783 --> 00:02:05.408 when you're getting toward the end. 00:02:05.594 --> 00:02:06.685 LT: I'm glad, I'm glad you -- 00:02:06.894 --> 00:02:08.311 JF: I'm approaching -- I'll be there sooner than you. 00:02:08.543 --> 00:02:10.935 LT: No I'm glad to have you parallel aging alongside me. 00:02:11.538 --> 00:02:12.838 (Laughter) 00:02:13.140 --> 00:02:14.580 JF: I'm showing you the way. 00:02:15.160 --> 00:02:15.741 (Laughter) 00:02:15.950 --> 00:02:17.807 LT: No, you are and you have. 00:02:18.109 --> 00:02:19.433 PM: Well as we grow older, 00:02:19.711 --> 00:02:21.778 and as we go through different kinds of life's journeys, 00:02:22.033 --> 00:02:25.377 what do you do to keep your friendships vital and alive? 00:02:26.050 --> 00:02:27.652 LT: Well you have to use a lot of -- 00:02:27.861 --> 00:02:29.881 JF: She doesn't invite me over much, I'll tell you that. 00:02:30.206 --> 00:02:32.226 LT: I have to use a lot of social media -- 00:02:32.551 --> 00:02:33.875 you be quiet now. 00:02:34.177 --> 00:02:35.593 (Laughter) 00:02:36.290 --> 00:02:36.870 And so -- 00:02:37.149 --> 00:02:37.961 (Laughter) 00:02:38.147 --> 00:02:39.726 And I go through -- I look through my emails, 00:02:39.912 --> 00:02:40.817 I look through my emails, I look through my texts 00:02:41.026 --> 00:02:42.745 to find my friends, so I can answer them as quickly as possible, 00:02:42.954 --> 00:02:45.484 because I know they need my counsel. 00:02:46.042 --> 00:02:47.156 (Laughter) 00:02:48.364 --> 00:02:49.525 They need my support, 00:02:49.757 --> 00:02:52.589 because most of my friends are writers, or activists or actors, 00:02:52.798 --> 00:02:54.238 and you're all three, 00:02:54.563 --> 00:02:57.326 and a long string of other descriptive phrases, 00:02:57.790 --> 00:03:02.295 and I want to get to you as soon as possible, 00:03:02.481 --> 00:03:04.478 I want you to know that I'm there for you. 00:03:04.779 --> 00:03:06.033 JF: Do you do emojis? 00:03:06.312 --> 00:03:07.078 LT: Oh ... 00:03:07.403 --> 00:03:08.193 JF: No? 00:03:08.425 --> 00:03:09.261 LT: It's embarrassing. 00:03:09.563 --> 00:03:11.745 JF: I'm really into emojis. 00:03:11.908 --> 00:03:12.627 LT: No I spell out my -- 00:03:12.860 --> 00:03:15.878 I spell out my words of happiness and congratulations, 00:03:16.110 --> 00:03:17.619 and sadness. 00:03:18.061 --> 00:03:18.873 JF: You spell it right out -- 00:03:19.082 --> 00:03:21.961 LT: I spell it, every letter. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Laughter) 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 JF: Such a purist. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 You know, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 as I've gotten older, I've understood more the importance of friendship. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 So, I really make an effort to reach out and make play dates -- 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 not let too much time go by. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 I read a lot so, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 as Lily knows all too well, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 my books that I like, I send to my friends. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 LT: When you knew we would be here today 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 you sent me a lot of books about women, female friendships, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and I was so surprised to see how many books, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 how much research has been done recently -- 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 JF: And were you grateful? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 LT: I was grateful. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Laughter) 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 LT: And -- 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 JF: And -- 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 LT: Wait, no, it's really important because this is another example 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 of how women are overlooked, put aside, marginalized, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 there's been very little research done on us, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 even though we volunteered lots of times. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 JF: That's for sure. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Laughter) 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 LT: No-- this is really exciting, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and you all will be interested in this, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the Harvard Medical School Study has shown 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 that women who have close female friendships 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 are less likely to develop impairments -- 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 physical impairments as they age, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and they are likely to seem to be living much more vital, exciting -- 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 JF: and longer -- 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 LT: and joyful lives. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 JF: We life five years longer than men. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 LT: I think I'd trade the years for joy. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Laughter) 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 LT: And, but the most important part is they found -- 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the results were so exciting and so conclusive -- 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the researchers found 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 that not having close female friends is detrimental to your health, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 as much as smoking or being overweight. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 JF: Well -- and there's something else, too -- 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 LT: I've said my part, so ... 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Laughter) 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 JF: Okay, well listen to my part, because there's an additional thing. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Because they only -- 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 for years, decades -- 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 they only researched men when they were trying to understand stress, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 only very recently have they researched what happens to women when we're stressed, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and it turns out that when we're stressed --women, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 our bodies get flooded by oxytocin. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Which is a feel-good, calming, stress reducing hormone. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Which also is increased when we're with our women friends. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 And I do think that's one reason why we live longer. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 And I feel so bad for men because they don't have that. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Testosterone in men diminishes the effects of oxytocin. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 LT: Well when you and I and Dolly made "9 to 5" -- 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 JF: Oh -- 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 LT: We laughed, we did, we laughed so much, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 we found we had so much in common. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 And we're so different. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Here she is like Hollywood royalty, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 I'm like a tough kid from Detroit, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 she's a southern kid from a poor town in Tennessee, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and we found we were so in sync as women, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and we must have-- 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 we laughed until we must have added at least a decade onto our lifespans. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 JF: I think -- we sure crossed our legs a lot. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Laughter) 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 JF: If you know what I mean. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 LT: I think we all know what you mean. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 PM: You're adding decades to our lives right now. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 So among the books that Jane sent us both to read on female friendship, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 was one by a woman we admire greatly, Sister Joan Chittister, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 who said about female friendship 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 that women friends are not just a social act, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 they're a spiritual act. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Do you think of your friends as spiritual? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Do they add something spiritual to you life? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 LT: Spiritual -- I absolutely think that. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Because --especially people you've known a long time -- 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 people you've spent time with, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 I can see the spiritual essence inside them, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the tenderness, the vulnerability. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 There's actually kind of a love, an element of love in the relationship. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 I just see deeply into your soul. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 PM: Do you think that, Jane? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 LT: But I have special powers. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 JF: Well there's all kinds of friends. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 There's you know, business friends, and party friends, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 I got a lot of those. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 But the oxytocin producing friendships, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 they have -- they feel spiritual because it's a heart opening, right? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 You know, we go deep. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 And I find that I shed tears a lot with my intimate friends. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Not because I'm sad but because I'm so touched and inspired by them. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 LT: And you know one of you's going to go soon. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Laughter) 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 PM: Well two of us are sitting here, Lily, which one are you talking about? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Laughter) 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 And I always think when women talk about their friendships, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 that men always look a little mystified. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 What are the differences, in your opinion, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 between men friendships and women friendships? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 JF: There's a lot of difference, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and I think we have to have a lot of empathy for men -- 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Laughter) 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 that they don't have what we have, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 which I think may be why they die sooner. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 I have a lot of compassion for men 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 because women -- 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 no kidding -- 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 women's relationships, our friendships are full disclosure, we go deep. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 They're revelatory. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 We risk vulnerability -- this is something men don't do. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 I mean how many times have I asked you, "am I doing okay?" 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "Did I really screw up there?" 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 PM: You're doing great. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Laughter) 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 JF: But I mean, we ask questions like that of our women friends and men don't. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 You know people describe women's relationships as face-to-face, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 whereas men's friendships are more side by side. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 LT: I mean most of the time men don't want to reveal their emotions, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 they want to bury deeper feelings. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 I mean that's the general, conventional thought. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 They would rather go off in their man cave and watch a game or hit gold balls, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 or talk about sports, or hunting, or cars, or have sex. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 I mean it's just the kind of -- it's a more manly behavior. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Laughter) 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 JF: You meant they talk about sex. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 LT: I meant they might have sex 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 if they could get somebody in their man cave to -- 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Laughter) 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 JF: You know something really though that I find very interesting. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 And again, psychologists didn't know this until relatively recently. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Men are born every bit as relational as women are. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 If you look at films of newborn baby boys and girls, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 you'll see the baby boys just like the girls, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 gazing into their mother's eyes, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 you know, needing that relational exchange of energy. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 When the mother looks away they could see the dismay on the child, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 even the boy would cry. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 They need relationship. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 So the question is why, as they grow older, does that change? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 And the answer is patriarchal culture, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 which says to boys and young men, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 that to be needing of relationship, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 to be emotional with someone, is girly. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 But a real man is doesn't ask directions or express a need, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 they don't go to doctors if they feel bad. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 They don't ask for help. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 There's a quote that I really like, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "Men fear that becoming we will erase his I." 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 You know, his sense of self. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Whereas women's self of self has always been kind of porous. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 But our we is our saving grace, it's what makes us strong. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 It's not that we're better than men, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 we just don't have our masculinity to prove. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 LT: And well -- 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 JF: That's a Gloria Steinem quote. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 LT: No, I know -- 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 JF: So we can express our humanity -- 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 LT: I know who Gloria Steinem is. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 JF: I know you know who she is, but I think it's a -- 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Laughter) 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 No but it's a great quote I think. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 We're not better than men, we just don't have our masculinity to prove. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 And that's really important. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 LT: But men are so inculcated in the culture 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 to be comfortable in the patriarchy. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 And we're got to make something different happen. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 JF: Women's friendships are like a renewable source of power. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 LT: Well that's what's exciting about this subject, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 because female friendships are just a hop to our sisterhood, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and sisterhood can be a very powerful force, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 to give the world -- 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 to make it what it should be -- 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the things that humans desperately need. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 PM: It is why we're talking about it, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 because women's friendships are, as you said, Jane, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 a renewable source of power. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 So how do we use that power? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 JF: Well, women are the fastest growing demogrpahic in the world, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 especially older women. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 And if we harness our power, we can change the world. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 And guess what? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 We need to. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Applause) 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 And we need to do it soon. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 And one of the things that we need to do -- 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and we can do it as women -- 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 for one thing, we kind of set the consumer standards. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 We need to consume less. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 We in the Western world need to consume less 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and when we buy things, we need to buy things that are made locally, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 when we buy food, we need to buy food that's grown locally. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 We are the ones that need to get off the grid, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 we need to make ourselves independent from fossil fuels. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 And the fossil fuel companies -- 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the Exxons and Shell Oils and those bad guys -- 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 cause they are -- 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 are going to tell us that we can't do it without going back to the Stone Age. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 You know, that the alternatives just aren't quite there yet, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and that's not true. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 There are countries in the world right now 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 that are living mostly on renewable energy and doing just fine. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 And they tell us that if we do ween ourselves off fossil fuel 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 that we're going to be back in the Stone Age, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and if fact, if we begin to use renewable energy, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and not drill in the Artic, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and not drill -- 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 LT: Oh, boy. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 JF: And not drill in the Alberta Tar Sands -- 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Right. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 JF: That we will be, there will be more democracy and more jobs 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and it's women that are going to lead the way. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 LT: Maybe we have the momentum to start the Third-wave Feminist Movement 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 with our sisterhood around the world, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 with women we don't see, women we may never meet, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 but we join together that way, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 because -- 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Aristotle said, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 most people--people would die without male friendships -- 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the operative word here is male -- 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 because they thought that friendships should be between equals 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and women were not considered equal -- 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 JF: They thought we didn't have souls even, the Greeks. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 LT: No, exactly. That shows you exactly just how limited Aristotle was. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Laughter) 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 And wait, no, here's the best part. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 It's like you know, men do need women now. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 The planet needs women. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 The U.S. Constitution needs women. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 We are not even in the Constitution. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 PM: You're talking about the Equal Rights Amendment. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 LT: Right. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 JF: Yes. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 LT: Justice Ginsberg said, something like, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 every constitution that's been written since the end of World War II 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 included a provision that made women citizens of equal stature, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 but ours does not. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 So that would be a good place to start. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Laughter) 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Very, very mild ... 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Applause) 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 JF: Right. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 JF: And gender equality, it's like a tide, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 it would lift all boats, not just women. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 PM: Needing new role models on how to do that. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 On how to be friends, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 how to think about our power in different ways, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 as consumers, as citizens of the world, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and this is what makes Jane and Lily a role model 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 a role model of how women can be friends for a very long time 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and even of the occasionally disagree. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Thank you. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 JF and LT: Thank you. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Applause) 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 LT: Thank you. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 JF: Thank you.