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[Narrator] Hands up, who's been
watching Criminal
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season two, the cat and mouse drama
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that takes place entirely in police
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interrogation rooms with investigators
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locked in a psychological battle of wits
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with suspects?
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[Woman] Do you want to say it, or shall I?
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[Dramatic music]
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[Woman] We don't believe you.
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[Narrator] The very nature of
interrogations is
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intrinsically dramatic, full of
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deception, tension, and injustice.
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And while we love Criminal,
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nothing hits quite like the real thing.
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So here from Netflix's catalogue of
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true crime shows and documentaries
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are some real life interrogations
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we just can't stop thinking about.
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A warning before we dive in:
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This video explores some of the
darkest aspects
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of these cases, including murder
and sexual violence.
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Making a Murderer was one of the first
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true crime series to really
get people talking,
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and years later, it remains
truly compelling
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and deeply shocking.
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The series focuses on Steven Avery,
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a Wisconsin man who was
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convicted of sexual assault in 1985
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and spent 18 years in prison.
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In 2003, DNA evidence secured his release,
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but Avery believed the police had
a vendetta against him,
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and the stakes got higher when he launched
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a lawsuit seeking damages.
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[Kim Ducat] They weren't going to
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hand that man $36 million.
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They weren't going to be made
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a laughingstock, that's for sure.
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[Narrator] Two years later, photographer
Teresa Halbach
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disappeared. Her last assignment
had been to
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take pictures of a vehicle
belonging to Avery,
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which put him firmly under suspicion.
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He was found guilty of murder,
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but as the series explores,
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there are questions over
much of the evidence
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that put him there. The most
shocking moment, though,
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involves Avery's nephew, Brendan Dassey,
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who was charged with being an accessory
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to the crime. With little evidence
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to support the state's case,
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everything depended on a confession,
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and they got it.
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Dassey was ultimately convicted
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and handed a life sentence.
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In the three and a half hour interrogation
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without his lawyer present,
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Dassey spilled everything
they asked him to.
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The trouble was, some of what
he said didn't
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line up with the case against Avery,
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and some of it barely made sense at all.
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In the interrogation, a mumbling
Dassey seems
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more worried about making his mother happy
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than about how confessing
might affect him.
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[Interrogator] Did you cut her hair off?
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[Dassey] Yeah.
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[Interrogator] Where did that happen?
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[Dassey] In the bedroom.
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[Interrogator] What did you cut the
hair off with?
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[Dassey] The knife.
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[Interrogator] The knife you guys found
in the garage?
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That doesn't make sense, it's impossible.
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You took her out to the garage and that's
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when you got the knife.
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[Narrator] In 2016, a judge overturned
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Dassey's conviction on the grounds
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that the confession had been coerced.
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But legal wrangling means he remains
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in prison to this day.
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True crime show, The Confession Tapes,
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is all about miscarriages of justice,
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and how police have used interrogations
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to convict the innocent.
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It looks at several cases
across the series,
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but one of the most haunting is that
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of Wesley Meyers. Meyers didn't just
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confess once to the 1997 murder of his
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girlfriend, Teresa Haught, he
confessed three times
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and even made a public apology
to her family.
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[Meyers] I want to apologize to the family
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for what I've done.
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[Narrator] Meyers was duly found guilty.
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The only problem? Confession aside,
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the evidence really didn't seem to
point to him
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being the one who committed the crime.
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And while the police were pursuing him,
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they were ignoring plausible
leads on another
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suspect. But it's when you watch the
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interrogation itself that alarm
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bells really start to go off.
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Over many hours of questioning,
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the police railroad a compliant Meyers
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into believing he's got no choice
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other than to cooperate with them
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and the story they've constructed,
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even telling him they have
physical evidence
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against him that proved to be nonexistent.
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[Police] We both know, Wesley,
and let's
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be honest with each other,
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the people that generally get you the
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most pissed off in all the world
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are the people you love.
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[Narrator] All this was being secretly
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recorded, so Meyers didn't know
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his words could be used against him.
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In 2012, a judge ruled that Meyers'
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constitutional rights had been violated
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and ordered a retrial. He pled guilty
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to a lesser charge and was
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released based on time already served.
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Meyers remains bitter about the
legal process.
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[Meyers] They have hardened me.
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[Narrator] Henry Lee Lucas was
America's most
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prolific and notorious serial killer.
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A drifter, with no home territory,
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he claimed responsibility for
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over 600 murders, starting with his own
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mother, although the number
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eventually settled around a
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200. Unlike most known serial killers,
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he had no established MO.
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He said once that he used
anything but poison
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on his victims. How did police
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catch this slippery shapeshifting
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operator? Because he confessed,
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and confessed,
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and confessed, and confessed.
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[Lucas] Well after that I cut her
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up into little pieces.
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[Narrator] After Lucas was
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arrested in 1983 on suspicion
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of committing a double murder,
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he began claiming responsibility for
more and more crimes.
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Police came from all over the country
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to clear up old cases by pinning
them on Lucas.
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But in exchange for these confessions,
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Lucas was receiving special privileges,
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like cigarettes and milkshakes.
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He was also getting attention from law
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enforcement, praise from the police
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whose intrays he was helping to empty,
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and a feeling of purpose for the
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first time in a life that had been
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chaotic and cruel.
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[Lucas] I've tried to show law
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I've tried to teach 'em.
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[Narrator] He had basically become a
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celebrity, and every confession
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only helped to grow his fame
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and importance.
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In this series, The Confession Killer,
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you can see just how unreliable
this process was.
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It's not just one interrogation
that stands
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so much as the sheer mass of them,
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which all show a cheerful Lucas
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enjoying his chats with investigators.
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Did he commit any of the crimes
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attributed to him? Later in life,
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after his wilder claims had come apart
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under scrutiny, he was telling a
different story.
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[Lucas] My mother, back in 1960,
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that is the only murder I've ever
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and I'm not positive I committed that.
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[Narrator] The kind of 'ah-ha!' moments
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that feature in fictional interrogations
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rarely happen in real life, but sometimes,
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real life gets close. Before 2012,
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Steubenville, Ohio, was a normal
small town
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with a typical American passion for
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its high school football team.
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After 2012, the word Steubenville meant
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something very different. It
became a byword
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for toxic masculinity and victim blaming
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after a harrowing rape case became
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a source of international outrage.
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Documentary Roll, Red Roll,
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tells the story of the investigation,
the prosecution,
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and the public reaction, and
shines a light on the
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misogyny and entitlement that contributed
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to the crime. At a party that August,
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a teenage girl, she's not named because of
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laws to protect victims of
sexual violence,
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was sexually assaulted by
multiple male students,
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many with connection to the football team.
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There wasn't any question that she
could have consented.
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Witnesses confirmed that she was so drunk
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that she had to be propped up,
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and her assailants had bragged
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about what they did to her in
graphic terms
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on social media. But for
investigators, part
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of the problem was establishing
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exactly who had played what
part in the crime.
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Over a series of interrogations,
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they pieced the night together,
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and in one dramatic scene,
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they finally get one boy to describe how
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a gang rape had been planned.
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[Investigator] You said you're a
football player.
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Fucking man up.
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[Boy] I think they were talking about
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training her. I...
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[Investigator] Why do you believe they
were talking
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about training her? What makes
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you believe that?
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[Boy] Because that's what
they were talking
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about earlier in the night, like
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when we were first leaving.
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[Investigator] They were talking
about this
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in the car?
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[Boy] Yeah, like, going to Jake's house.
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[Narrator] As a result of the
investigation,
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two high school football players,
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Ma'lik Richmond and Trent Mays,
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were convicted of the rape of a minor,
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while several adults, including a school
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superintendent, were indicted
for obstructing
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the course of justice. You can watch
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all of these incredible interrogations
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and Criminal season two on Netflix now.
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