0:00:09.105,0:00:12.505 Your Own Heart is Becoming the Beloved 0:00:12.505,0:00:14.815 26 January 2025[br](with subtitles) 0:00:18.110,0:00:21.867 Q: I feel, sometimes you say,[br]we don't know how honest 0:00:21.867,0:00:27.060 or how open we are. And I feel it. 0:00:27.060,0:00:32.260 M: Okay, you say, 'Sometimes we [br]don't know how open we are'. 0:00:32.260,0:00:36.660 I'm a little bit with this.[br]But you're open enough to come here. 0:00:36.660,0:00:39.211 M: You know what shop this is?[br]Q: Yes. 0:00:39.211,0:00:41.660 M: What shop is it?[br][laughter] 0:00:41.660,0:00:44.580 Q: The shop... Empty shop. 0:00:44.580,0:00:48.743 M: Empty shop. [laughs][br][laughter] 0:00:48.743,0:00:51.549 M: Very smart. Very good, okay.[br]Q: Maybe. 0:00:51.549,0:00:54.964 M: So you come for some emptiness. [br][laughs] 0:00:54.964,0:00:57.455 [laughter] Okay. 0:00:57.455,0:01:01.500 Q: I just feel it's easy to miss this one. 0:01:01.500,0:01:05.860 M: Empty shop you cannot buy.[br]You can only Be. 0:01:07.860,0:01:09.858 There's nothing to purchase. 0:01:09.858,0:01:14.409 It's a good title 'Come to empty shop'.[br][laughter] 0:01:14.409,0:01:18.559 Thieves in an empty house. 0:01:26.700,0:01:29.432 I want to use it. [br]I want you to use this, 0:01:29.432,0:01:36.150 why you use this example,[br]empty, empty shop. 0:01:37.620,0:01:44.220 M: What I feel is I cannot be, [br]like I cannot be 100 percent sure 0:01:44.220,0:01:49.700 if there is anything I'm not seeing. 0:01:49.700,0:01:52.697 M: Yes. I don't know if I've ever met anybody 0:01:52.697,0:01:56.420 a 100 percent sure of anything. 0:01:56.420,0:02:00.740 Except that you are. 0:02:00.740,0:02:04.270 Maybe this you can say [br]you're sure of that you exist, 0:02:04.270,0:02:11.470 and that you are experiencing or perceiving. 0:02:11.470,0:02:15.382 You agree or not? You know that you are?[br]Q: Yes. 0:02:15.382,0:02:18.195 M: And that you are experiencing?[br]Q: Yes. 0:02:18.195,0:02:20.863 M: So only let's work with this then 0:02:20.863,0:02:23.432 as everything else is traffic to this. 0:02:23.432,0:02:26.310 So everything comes is being perceived. 0:02:26.310,0:02:29.871 Comes and goes is being perceived.[br]Why perceiving is here? 0:02:29.871,0:02:33.280 Because you are here, you exist. [br]Now we must look. 0:02:33.280,0:02:35.810 Leave everything that can come and go. 0:02:35.810,0:02:40.567 Leave all of that now.[br]Only you and perceiving. 0:02:40.567,0:02:42.723 And of you and perceiving, 0:02:42.723,0:02:47.403 which is most true, if one has to go? 0:02:57.530,0:03:01.300 You say, 'I perceive,' I perceive. 0:03:01.300,0:03:03.960 So, I perceive means every experiencing, 0:03:03.960,0:03:08.542 whatever is happening is perceived [br]by this sense of 'I'. 0:03:08.542,0:03:10.575 M: Yes?[br]Q: Yes. 0:03:10.575,0:03:14.730 M: So you could even say, [br]'I am not perceiving'. 0:03:14.730,0:03:18.224 Which means I'm perceiving [br]that I'm not perceiving. 0:03:18.224,0:03:23.290 I'm going to keep it clean and simple. 0:03:27.570,0:03:32.850 Speaker: Guruji, how about that [br]you're perceiving emptiness? 0:03:35.160,0:03:38.386 M: Just when you say, 'What is more true?' 0:03:38.386,0:03:42.223 I don't remember exactly what you said, [br]like, 'You're perceiving?' 0:03:42.223,0:03:44.762 M: You know that you exist.[br]Q: Yes. 0:03:44.762,0:03:48.960 M: And that you are perceiving[br]or experiencing your perceiving 0:03:48.960,0:03:52.970 through the senses or the mind. 0:03:52.970,0:03:55.560 If some inner state or outer states, 0:03:55.560,0:04:00.700 that's being perceived by you. 0:04:00.700,0:04:03.630 So everything that comes, can go. 0:04:03.630,0:04:08.210 Mental states, emotional states,[br]friends can come, 0:04:08.210,0:04:11.266 people live, people stay, people die, 0:04:11.266,0:04:13.670 you feel sickness, you feel healthy, 0:04:13.670,0:04:17.530 you feel excitement, feel boredom,[br]feel tired, feel energy, 0:04:17.530,0:04:21.200 M: all this you perceive [br]and they come and go. 0:04:21.200,0:04:25.190 M: You who perceive them, 0:04:27.560,0:04:32.336 does that come and go?[br]Is it personal? 0:04:32.336,0:04:35.590 M: Also, personal states come.[br]Q: Yes. 0:04:35.590,0:04:40.070 M: So, that's also amongst [br]the field of perceivable, isn't it? 0:04:40.070,0:04:43.676 So even those things, [br]and the feeling of 'I', 0:04:43.676,0:04:48.490 and autobiography, your ideas about life, 0:04:48.490,0:04:52.420 all of those personal things,[br]they are also perceived. Okay. 0:04:52.420,0:04:56.680 M: And they can change shape,[br]and their change is also perceived. 0:04:56.680,0:04:59.681 So they cannot be that which perceives them. 0:04:59.681,0:05:02.070 M: That's true?[br]Q: Yes. 0:05:02.070,0:05:06.640 M: That which is perceiving, is it 0:05:09.200,0:05:13.860 material or immaterial? It's immaterial? 0:05:13.860,0:05:16.270 Q: It's not material.[br]M: It's not material. 0:05:16.270,0:05:20.670 Q: I cannot say what it is.[br]But I experience that ... 0:05:20.670,0:05:26.100 M: Who is speaking now? 0:05:26.100,0:05:29.199 M: It's not a trick question.[br]Q: I'm looking. 0:05:29.199,0:05:33.670 M: Obviously, the response is coming [br]so fluidly and so comfortably, 0:05:33.670,0:05:38.492 there's no strain to comment that[br]all these things are being perceived. 0:05:38.492,0:05:41.510 And that whatever is perceiving 0:05:41.510,0:05:46.110 itself cannot be perceived by quality. 0:05:46.110,0:05:51.600 Is it male or female? [br]Is it any of these things? No. 0:05:51.600,0:05:56.659 So, answers, responses are coming from there. 0:06:02.230,0:06:06.300 So even the responses are coming[br]and they are also perceived 0:06:06.300,0:06:10.988 pouring out of some, whatever, [br]something, or no thing. 0:06:10.988,0:06:15.765 Q: I don't know if it's pouring out [br]of something. It's perceived. 0:06:15.765,0:06:19.630 M: Okay, they are appearing also,[br]they appear. 0:06:19.630,0:06:24.870 So that which is perceiving them,[br]what is to be said of that? 0:06:24.870,0:06:28.060 Is it a structure or no structure? 0:06:28.060,0:06:33.030 Q: It's no structure.[br]M: Okay. 0:06:33.030,0:06:37.271 M: Is that significant for you?[br]Q: It is significant. It is. 0:06:37.271,0:06:44.300 M: Okay. Where does the problem start,[br]if one starts? 0:06:44.300,0:06:48.419 M: Is it a new skill that you developed? 0:06:51.260,0:06:55.700 And anyone can apply.[br]It's not particularly to you. 0:06:55.700,0:07:00.202 It's for anyone.[br]For everyone there's a sense of 'I', 'I Am', 0:07:00.202,0:07:03.794 but it's quickly given to the body,[br]'I am this person', 0:07:03.794,0:07:07.590 'I'm from Germany', 'I'm from this place',[br]'I'm a doctor', 0:07:07.590,0:07:11.440 'I'm this and that and that', is acquired, 0:07:11.440,0:07:15.240 so it takes on the sense [br]of being something identifiable. 0:07:15.240,0:07:19.180 But from your place, [br]that is also a construct that is seen. 0:07:19.180,0:07:22.370 The 'I' that is seeing them[br]is not those things. 0:07:22.370,0:07:25.632 You cannot say he's a doctor or a nurse, 0:07:25.632,0:07:31.601 or it's 1.7 cm, 0:07:31.601,0:07:37.440 170 cm, you know,[br]he doesn't have any of those things. 0:07:37.440,0:07:40.654 What is it like unto itself, 0:07:40.654,0:07:43.819 if it doesn't connect with points of perception 0:07:43.819,0:07:48.099 or things to perceive, by itself? 0:07:51.929,0:07:54.290 Q: It's not bothered by anything. 0:07:54.290,0:07:57.850 M: Yes. Okay, bring the things back. 0:07:57.850,0:08:00.870 M: Is it bothered by them?[br]Q: No. 0:08:00.870,0:08:04.719 Q: It is, if identity is missed. 0:08:04.719,0:08:08.409 M: If identity?[br]Q: Is not seen. 0:08:08.409,0:08:11.970 M: So, identity brings all the trouble then? 0:08:11.970,0:08:16.350 Q: Identifying brings all the trouble,[br]but for who? 0:08:16.350,0:08:21.410 M: Ahh. Are are you asking me about that?[br][laughter] 0:08:21.410,0:08:25.590 M: You have to find out. [br]Right here is good. 0:08:27.370,0:08:30.074 M: The trouble cannot be for that 0:08:30.074,0:08:35.132 Q: which is not touched by it.[br]M: Yes. 0:08:35.132,0:08:39.330 M: Is 'that which is not touched by it'[br]an object of perception? 0:08:39.330,0:08:42.480 Q: No.[br]M: Where is it? 0:08:45.170,0:08:47.922 Q: It has no location. 0:08:49.592,0:08:52.400 M: It has no problem.[br]Q: It has no problem. 0:08:52.400,0:08:57.930 M: Let's go to where the problems are. 0:08:57.930,0:09:01.776 Why are you trying to solve a thing [br]that has no problem? 0:09:01.776,0:09:05.120 Q: 'Why try to solve a thing [br]that has no problem?' 0:09:05.120,0:09:08.120 M: Yes. It has no problem![br][laughter] 0:09:08.120,0:09:10.831 So where will we go now to find a problem? 0:09:10.831,0:09:14.050 It is good. It's fine![br]We're looking and it's good. 0:09:14.050,0:09:17.780 I don't want to feel, [br]'Ah! Yes, end of thing, I go now.' 0:09:17.780,0:09:21.600 Because problems begin somewhere 0:09:21.600,0:09:24.370 and everyone is troubled by it. 0:09:24.370,0:09:29.440 Who is the everyone, you must also find. 0:09:29.440,0:09:35.610 It appears that you are no one,[br]and you are someone. 0:09:46.240,0:09:49.847 In this receding you come to, 0:09:49.847,0:09:55.970 'Ah, actually, I am here.[br]'I', but 'I' as what is here?' 0:09:55.970,0:09:59.060 Well, it's certainly not the person. 0:09:59.060,0:10:03.563 It's not male or female.[br]Or it's not Muslim or Christian. 0:10:03.563,0:10:07.958 It's something, something, nothing about it. 0:10:07.958,0:10:10.488 M: Is it a valuable discovery?[br]Q: Yes. 0:10:10.488,0:10:14.630 M: Yes. So that's not where problems are.[br]Q: No. 0:10:14.630,0:10:17.560 M: Okay. So where problems come 0:10:17.560,0:10:20.594 is in the place of identity ...[br]Q: Yes. 0:10:20.594,0:10:24.380 M: ...where I am someone.[br]Q: Yes. 0:10:26.310,0:10:30.544 M: Is there a way [br]that this sense of being someone, 0:10:30.544,0:10:34.180 how does that look now[br]from the place of your discovery? 0:10:34.180,0:10:37.150 'Fundamentally, I am not any of these things 0:10:37.150,0:10:39.610 that have been spoken of.' 0:10:39.610,0:10:46.356 How does the things, the world of things,[br]what is their value? 0:10:46.356,0:10:48.640 They don't impact upon this, 0:10:48.640,0:10:51.970 but somehow this must be[br]the cause of them playing, 0:10:51.970,0:10:54.860 and here the sense 'I' is also there, 0:10:54.860,0:10:59.776 and a very familiar feeling of 'I'. [br]But is it stable? 0:10:59.776,0:11:03.420 Is it always constant, this 'I',[br]now, the second 'I'? 0:11:03.420,0:11:07.108 Q: The moving 'I' is not constant.[br]M: Yes, yes. 0:11:07.108,0:11:11.880 M: So is it not the moving 'I'[br]who came to satsang? 0:11:11.880,0:11:14.210 Q: Yes.[br]M: Yes. 0:11:17.380,0:11:22.660 M: Because what?[br]It cannot control its world. 0:11:24.620,0:11:30.303 Q: And it's good it cannot, [br]because it wouldn't ... 0:11:30.303,0:11:34.768 it wouldn't find out what it really is[br]if it could control anything. 0:11:34.768,0:11:40.060 Like if there wouldn't be this trouble[br]and this pain in this identifying, 0:11:40.060,0:11:43.470 there would be no urge to ... 0:11:43.470,0:11:48.130 M: So it must have an urge.[br]It must have a drive. 0:11:48.130,0:11:53.719 What is the drive of this 'I'[br]which is the 'I'-person? 0:11:53.719,0:11:55.720 Because all the human beings, 0:11:55.720,0:12:03.610 we have this mask or sickness [br]of 'I'-me, 'I'-me. 0:12:03.610,0:12:07.200 What is the 'I'-me really in search of? 0:12:07.200,0:12:09.908 Everybody can take this. 0:12:09.908,0:12:16.088 The 'I'-me, is it quiet and content [br]and happily 'I'-me? 0:12:16.088,0:12:19.130 No. So what does it want? 0:12:19.130,0:12:22.200 Speaker: Probably, to be free of suffering. 0:12:22.200,0:12:24.520 M: It's to be free of suffering. 0:12:24.520,0:12:29.040 Only you? Only you? Oh, okay, okay.[br]To be free of suffering. 0:12:29.040,0:12:32.900 M: What is it suffering from?[br]Group: It's projection. 0:12:32.900,0:12:36.578 M: It's projection. It's projection.[br]Da da da ... 0:12:36.578,0:12:41.290 We're in common ground now.[br]It's having some suffering. 0:12:41.290,0:12:43.550 Q: But I'm not sure that this 'I', 0:12:43.550,0:12:47.471 like this identified one [br]wants to be at peace. 0:12:47.471,0:12:49.669 M: Wants to be?[br]Q: At peace. 0:12:49.669,0:12:53.070 M: Doesn't want to be at peace?[br]Q: I'm not sure about that. 0:12:53.070,0:12:55.420 M: You speaking now are not that. 0:12:55.420,0:12:58.664 M: Is that what you're saying?[br]Q: Not being ...? 0:12:58.664,0:13:03.770 M: Not the person, you're not sure [br]the person self is really ... da da da. 0:13:03.770,0:13:08.130 Who is speaking now?[br]Just to be clear and look. 0:13:08.130,0:13:10.250 You're looking from where? 0:13:10.250,0:13:15.160 From an identified place [br]or a not identified place? 0:13:15.160,0:13:21.466 There is a feeling 'I Am',[br]I call it consciousness, 0:13:21.466,0:13:25.210 that 'I Am'-ness without strong identification 0:13:25.210,0:13:31.480 with the personal sense, that is, 0:13:31.480,0:13:34.554 let me call it the Brahman for the moment, 0:13:34.554,0:13:38.410 only because I can I have [br]another word called Parabrahman. 0:13:38.410,0:13:42.345 Could you understand? All right.[br]So it is the consciousness. 0:13:42.345,0:13:45.367 It is the guru state of being, 0:13:45.367,0:13:48.147 which is there for all, for everybody. 0:13:48.147,0:13:51.635 It is that in which the world of person[br]and its world 0:13:51.635,0:13:54.751 and all of this is seen from here, 0:13:54.751,0:13:57.880 but is not disturbed by that. 0:13:57.880,0:14:01.710 And from this place, 'I Am' has the power, 0:14:01.710,0:14:06.845 by looking into the realm [br]of the 'I'-me and the 'I'-person, 0:14:06.845,0:14:11.281 imparts some grace to it.[br]As in the form of the 'I'-person ... 0:14:11.281,0:14:14.850 Are we following? It's good?[br]In the form of the 'I'-person 0:14:14.850,0:14:18.430 it is still consciousness,[br]it's a mode of consciousness. 0:14:18.430,0:14:22.178 And that sense of being,[br]if you want to call it a soul ... 0:14:22.178,0:14:25.510 Are we alright for the moment?[br]Just working words. 0:14:25.510,0:14:31.553 The soul, it has different characteristics. 0:14:31.553,0:14:35.554 In India, they speak of the different gunas, 0:14:35.554,0:14:38.090 which are kind of energetic qualities 0:14:38.090,0:14:42.086 that affect the soul, some soul tendency. 0:14:42.086,0:14:46.000 Q: Sorry, but the soul [br]you call the person now? Or what? 0:14:46.000,0:14:49.275 M: Yes. Let me just continue [br]and then you'll see. 0:14:49.275,0:14:53.680 M: So then, the sense of being somebody, 0:14:53.680,0:14:57.016 an entity with the characteristic,[br]with a history, 0:14:57.016,0:15:00.251 with association, with parents, with family, 0:15:00.251,0:15:04.393 with all of these things, self description, 0:15:04.393,0:15:07.255 that makes you uniquely you. 0:15:07.255,0:15:10.190 At least, for the time being 0:15:10.190,0:15:14.040 because also you keep changing [br]what you say about yourself. 0:15:14.040,0:15:18.380 If you keep on writing an autobiography[br]over a period of 20 years, 0:15:18.380,0:15:22.400 it's going to keep changing.[br]So the person is not stable. 0:15:22.400,0:15:24.800 Whereas the 'I Am', which generates 0:15:24.800,0:15:27.840 the projection of the mind and person ... 0:15:27.840,0:15:33.280 I'm going to call person and mind similar, [br]for the moment. 0:15:33.280,0:15:38.010 If you want me to cover because [br]it's good if you understand this thing, 0:15:38.010,0:15:40.640 then it becomes more clear, no? 0:15:40.640,0:15:47.710 So the personal state of consciousness 0:15:47.710,0:15:51.246 is where all the conflicts can come,[br]desire can come. 0:15:51.246,0:15:55.382 Pain, life, death, you, me,[br]this, that, up, down, heaven, hell, 0:15:55.382,0:15:58.710 all these things are in there for the person. 0:15:58.710,0:16:01.674 It's never a stable environment. 0:16:01.674,0:16:04.870 And even unto itself, [br]with nothing to interfere, 0:16:04.870,0:16:07.100 it interferes with itself. 0:16:07.100,0:16:09.893 It also suffers from its own, 'I'm lonely, 0:16:09.893,0:16:14.810 I don't know what I'm going to do.'[br]So it's never without trouble. 0:16:14.810,0:16:20.832 But as it's also on a journey [br]of this world, as we know it, 0:16:20.832,0:16:25.100 each one is on a journey of Self-discovery. 0:16:25.100,0:16:27.760 It may not be conscious of it like that. 0:16:27.760,0:16:32.349 For a while our urge for discovering things[br]can be merely phenomenal. 0:16:32.349,0:16:35.855 Like, I want to be a lawyer or a doctor,[br]to be famous, 0:16:35.855,0:16:38.915 I want to be a singer, [br]I want to be something, 0:16:38.915,0:16:43.500 and all this produces fruit. [br]It's a power, it produces fruit. 0:16:43.500,0:16:47.780 You may indeed become famous or rich, [br]all these kinds of things. 0:16:47.780,0:16:51.539 But we are discovering, [br]even those who became very rich, 0:16:51.539,0:16:54.851 at some point they're not satisfied [br]with being rich 0:16:54.851,0:16:57.370 as the whole system is built like that. 0:16:57.370,0:17:00.780 You can never be really satisfied, 0:17:00.780,0:17:05.580 really genuinely satisfied, until you're home. 0:17:05.580,0:17:08.900 And 'home' means to awaken [br]to your True nature, 0:17:08.900,0:17:11.770 which is not somewhere else,[br]not over there, 0:17:11.770,0:17:16.380 it's like peeling away, no? 0:17:20.540,0:17:23.691 So my way of looking at it is that 0:17:23.691,0:17:29.818 the person is the one [br]who takes the journey of life. 0:17:29.818,0:17:31.836 And I would not say... 0:17:31.836,0:17:34.866 In Advaita thought the person doesn't exist, 0:17:34.866,0:17:39.590 the mind doesn't exist, the world doesn't exist, [br]and ultimately it is true, 0:17:39.590,0:17:42.855 but you must understand [br]in what light it is true. 0:17:42.855,0:17:47.958 Because when you say to beings [br]who have a strong idea of self 0:17:47.958,0:17:52.623 and who have a philosophy, [br]have relief, have belief, all these things, 0:17:52.623,0:17:54.904 'It's not true, it doesn't exist', 0:17:54.904,0:17:58.760 it's very hurtful, [br]'You don't know what you're saying!' 0:17:58.760,0:18:03.150 Some can adopt that thing [br]and indeed learn and take that attitude, 0:18:03.150,0:18:07.831 but inside it's not true.[br]Something has to be clear. 0:18:07.831,0:18:14.050 So the sense of being someone,[br]it is consciousness. 0:18:14.050,0:18:16.794 When you say 'I', when you feel 'I', 0:18:16.794,0:18:21.299 because nobody gave you 'I'.[br]Everything else you receive. 0:18:21.299,0:18:25.558 Nobody, not your parents didn't say,[br]'I'm going to name you "I".' 0:18:25.558,0:18:30.520 And yet all the beings [br]have this intuitive self-reference of 'I'. 0:18:30.520,0:18:33.520 Not the English version. 0:18:33.520,0:18:36.250 So even mosquitoes have a feeling of 'I'. 0:18:36.250,0:18:40.410 'I' points to existence, 'I'-exist.[br]That's what it really means. 0:18:40.410,0:18:44.060 But 'I'-person very rarely touchs on this root 0:18:44.060,0:18:48.830 that it means existence [br]and that it is conscious. 0:18:48.830,0:18:53.326 It doesn't even know [br]that it cannot die as consciousness. 0:18:53.326,0:18:56.010 Consciousness cannot die. 0:18:56.010,0:19:00.210 But its belief 'I am the body' can die. 0:19:00.210,0:19:05.481 But doesn't mean It dies.[br]The body will die. 0:19:05.481,0:19:07.790 But what you 'are' cannot die, 0:19:07.790,0:19:11.750 it will just transfer for more experiencing 0:19:11.750,0:19:14.520 if there's more things to experience. 0:19:14.520,0:19:19.300 So this urge inside [br]with different beings in different bodies, 0:19:19.300,0:19:22.890 like identities in different bodies, [br]are on a journey, 0:19:22.890,0:19:24.895 depending upon your maturity. 0:19:24.895,0:19:27.200 Some people only want to be famous, 0:19:27.200,0:19:30.462 or, 'I want 5 children, [br]I want a beautiful house, 0:19:30.462,0:19:33.286 I want enough money to do what I want'. 0:19:33.286,0:19:37.680 Those desires are permitted [br]by Parabrahman, by Paramatman. 0:19:37.680,0:19:39.988 That life gives life in this. 0:19:39.988,0:19:43.418 All desires can be had, good and bad. 0:19:43.418,0:19:46.300 And it will help you to fulfil your desires. 0:19:46.300,0:19:49.065 Even a thief, [br]He wants you to be a better thief. 0:19:49.065,0:19:51.855 It gives the power[br]to learn to be a better thief! 0:19:51.855,0:19:55.888 Because God has a use for you [br]as a great thief. [laughter] 0:19:55.888,0:19:59.160 Because He is going to perfect the other ones, 0:19:59.160,0:20:03.490 who may be somewhere more evolved[br]with your thievery. 0:20:03.490,0:20:08.840 They need this thievery [br]to move on even more. 0:20:08.840,0:20:14.080 The whole thing is beautifully managed[br][laughter] 0:20:14.080,0:20:17.520 by Paramatman taking care of all things. 0:20:17.520,0:20:21.120 Not one thing goes missing.[br]Not only for human beings, 0:20:21.120,0:20:24.928 the ant kingdom, the bee kingdom, 0:20:24.928,0:20:30.683 the horse and every kingdom,[br]He is the God of all of them. 0:20:30.683,0:20:34.100 They have their rules.[br]They have their philosophies. 0:20:34.100,0:20:37.770 They have their ways.[br]They have their likes and dislikes. 0:20:37.770,0:20:40.521 They have their urges and their suffering. 0:20:40.521,0:20:43.240 Everything is evolving somehow. 0:20:43.240,0:20:46.360 Let's stick to our world for a little bit. Okay? 0:20:46.360,0:20:49.388 So in our world, this urge is there, 0:20:49.388,0:20:51.950 and for a while, depending upon ... 0:20:51.950,0:20:56.787 because not all the beings [br]are at the same level of maturity. 0:20:56.787,0:21:00.949 He made it like that. He didn't say, [br]all who are mature go here 0:21:00.949,0:21:05.230 and all of you mature [go here.] [br]No, He mixes up. And we fight. 0:21:05.230,0:21:08.370 But we need it also. 0:21:08.370,0:21:12.130 I'm saying this so that [br]you don't complain about your life. 0:21:12.130,0:21:15.390 Everything that's sent to you,[br]if you take it only as, 0:21:15.390,0:21:18.850 'This thing happened to me,[br]you didn't do anything about it.' 0:21:18.850,0:21:20.952 Actually, you earned it. 0:21:20.952,0:21:23.880 You have to make use of the experience of it 0:21:23.880,0:21:26.750 to transcend in yourself. 0:21:26.750,0:21:29.397 As you transcend in yourself 0:21:29.397,0:21:32.870 your light becomes light for others also. 0:21:32.870,0:21:36.637 But don't think like that, 'I, my light ...'[br][laughter] 0:21:36.637,0:21:39.738 You understand? 0:21:39.738,0:21:42.020 If you have this attitude, okay. 0:21:42.020,0:21:46.160 But somehow this is needed,[br]it's pointing out something. 0:21:46.160,0:21:49.189 Rather than 'Oh, they are attacking me ...' 0:21:49.189,0:21:53.060 The self as a person is also very myopic 0:21:53.060,0:21:55.214 and very self protecting. 0:21:55.214,0:21:59.700 That's why he doesn't grow so quick[br]because it feels vulnerable. 0:21:59.700,0:22:03.182 And when you're vulnerable it locks in 0:22:03.182,0:22:05.627 and 'pew pew'. [shoots] It locks in. 0:22:05.627,0:22:10.219 When you see these things, you realise,[br]'But a deeper consciousness ...' 0:22:10.219,0:22:13.900 She's just been speaking [br]from this deeper consciousness, 0:22:13.900,0:22:16.930 in which the sense of the person and its world 0:22:16.930,0:22:19.110 are seen with more detachment. 0:22:19.110,0:22:24.220 You say, 'But I speak with you ... [br]But from here, I'm actually just fine'. 0:22:24.220,0:22:28.660 What do you want?[br]What do you need? 0:22:28.660,0:22:32.390 What is your problem?[br]'Actually, here, nothing actually'. 0:22:32.390,0:22:35.190 For problem, I have to go back over there. 0:22:35.190,0:22:38.261 And over there is in the state of the person 0:22:38.261,0:22:41.526 and my neighbours and my relationship [br]and things, 0:22:41.526,0:22:45.811 and I get enough money and ...[br]This is the woes of the person. 0:22:45.811,0:22:49.099 They are here to make you grow, to help you. 0:22:49.099,0:22:52.140 When you see and understand this a little bit, 0:22:52.140,0:22:57.397 you don't get angry, 'Oh, they are the cause.'[br]But you use it. 0:22:57.397,0:23:03.624 But when you come here,[br]I want to fast forward! Which you can. 0:23:03.624,0:23:05.900 You can go tick tock, tick tock. 0:23:05.900,0:23:10.120 Or you can somehow come into big seeing. 0:23:10.120,0:23:16.500 You can travel in footsteps [br]or you can travel by galaxies. 0:23:16.500,0:23:20.601 So here, I feel, and I assume,[br]you may correct me, 0:23:20.601,0:23:24.435 that when you come here, [br]there is within the capacity 0:23:24.435,0:23:27.860 to 'phoo' flower into higher states. 0:23:27.860,0:23:31.218 When you realise, [br]'I'm kind of wasting my time 0:23:31.218,0:23:33.940 in the person quite a lot. 0:23:33.940,0:23:38.650 Because now I'm aware of myself [br]in consciousness, as consciousness'. 0:23:38.650,0:23:40.675 And what happens by that? 0:23:40.675,0:23:43.765 Well, as you learn to observe, [br]as I've shown, 0:23:43.765,0:23:47.310 learn to observe things more, [br]as we're too identified, 0:23:47.310,0:23:50.380 if you identify you slow down, [br]and what happens? 0:23:50.380,0:23:52.638 You start to accumulate concepts. 0:23:52.638,0:23:55.100 And the more concepts you accumulate, 0:23:55.100,0:24:00.890 the more opaque you become,[br]the more solid, the more rigid. 0:24:00.890,0:24:04.020 If you know people [br]who have a pile of concepts, 0:24:04.020,0:24:08.486 their concepts and your concepts [br]can't dance. 'No, no, whoa.' 0:24:08.486,0:24:11.880 Even family can be like this. 0:24:11.880,0:24:16.808 So what you will learn is,[br]by observing with detachment, 0:24:16.808,0:24:21.750 learning to look and see [br]if you can catch this seeing 0:24:21.750,0:24:24.460 where even your person, 0:24:24.460,0:24:32.370 your person, the subject [br]of all your world, is itself seen. 0:24:32.370,0:24:35.699 When you can see, you can say, 'Whoa!' 0:24:35.699,0:24:39.410 It's not just a world, but the personal self 0:24:39.410,0:24:42.280 that has the reflection of that world. 0:24:42.280,0:24:47.160 They are, when I say two sides of one coin,[br]they go together. 0:24:47.160,0:24:51.801 Your mistake has been, [br]you're identifying yourself and feeling, 0:24:51.801,0:24:55.748 'But it's the world,[br]everything is wrong there. It's not me.' 0:24:55.748,0:24:57.950 What makes you do that is because 0:24:57.950,0:25:00.920 also your person goes by the title of 'I'. 0:25:00.920,0:25:06.481 And 'I' means God. You understand? 0:25:06.481,0:25:12.691 Your 'I' is consciousness, [br]which is Godly principle. 0:25:12.691,0:25:15.450 Then you understand this 'I', the 'I'-me, 0:25:15.450,0:25:19.430 and the 'I'-I, or the 'I'-am',[br]you see the difference. 0:25:19.430,0:25:23.900 When we go into 'I'-me, [br]all your life struggle, 'This I can't get', 0:25:23.900,0:25:27.580 'this one is sick and ...'[br]it is strong, it is strong. 0:25:27.580,0:25:31.330 It didn't have its origin in one body life-form. 0:25:31.330,0:25:34.112 It's been going on for a long time. 0:25:34.112,0:25:38.360 But gradually it's growing through, [br]what I call, the guna field. 0:25:38.360,0:25:43.810 Gunas mean some energy [br]which is tamasic guna. 0:25:43.810,0:25:49.243 Means that when the entity of self [br]is more resistant 0:25:49.243,0:25:52.781 and more sort of easily troubled 0:25:52.781,0:25:56.528 and full of identity and resistance, 0:25:56.528,0:25:59.830 that's called tamasic guna, tama guna. 0:25:59.830,0:26:03.640 Then the energy, [br]the entity energy can also have 0:26:03.640,0:26:06.030 something you can call raja guna, 0:26:06.030,0:26:09.570 means the soul is more energetic,[br]it's full of desire, 0:26:09.570,0:26:13.790 it wants to do things, it's adventurous,[br]it has many ideas. 0:26:13.790,0:26:18.212 And then, also, another guna called sattva guna. 0:26:18.212,0:26:20.368 Sattva guna is more pure, 0:26:20.368,0:26:24.160 meaning when the energy field [br]is more attracted to spirit; 0:26:24.160,0:26:27.890 it wants to evolve in consciousness,[br]it wants to realise. 0:26:27.890,0:26:32.230 These gunas are playing [br]within the beingness. 0:26:32.230,0:26:36.470 Some gunas have more ascendance,[br]strongerer in one. 0:26:36.470,0:26:39.630 Another stronger in another one. Like this. 0:26:39.630,0:26:42.140 So all of you, I say, 0:26:42.140,0:26:48.040 you must be exhibiting [br]some stronger sattva guna. 0:26:48.040,0:26:53.290 But you have raja guna in there [br]pulling at your tail. [laughter] 0:26:53.290,0:26:58.910 And sometimes tamas guna, 'Uhh, tsk.' 0:26:58.910,0:27:01.250 They're all part of it.[br][laughter] 0:27:01.250,0:27:05.070 It's a kind of fun way of looking, no? 0:27:05.070,0:27:08.382 It's not that funny, actually. [laughs] 0:27:08.382,0:27:10.450 But we understand a little bit. 0:27:10.450,0:27:14.970 So, somehow to come to satsang 0:27:14.970,0:27:17.703 without anyone pressuring you to do that 0:27:17.703,0:27:21.030 means your soul is attracted a bit towards it. 0:27:21.030,0:27:24.690 And the more you find out, [br]and not just intellectually, 0:27:24.690,0:27:29.420 but begin to experience your understanding,[br]experiential understanding, 0:27:29.420,0:27:35.080 you're encouraged within yourself,[br]you're falling in love. 0:27:35.080,0:27:39.558 If you fall in love with someone [br]and really falling in love deeply, 0:27:39.558,0:27:42.081 you will require nobody to remind you 0:27:42.081,0:27:44.651 to remember your beloved. 0:27:44.651,0:27:48.429 The urge comes from inside, it's pulling, 0:27:48.429,0:27:53.710 always, whatever you're doing you're thinking ...[br][laughter] 0:27:53.710,0:27:57.440 So your own self, your own heart [br]is becoming the beloved 0:27:57.440,0:28:02.060 of your sense of your person. 0:28:02.060,0:28:06.640 It's in the sattva guna,[br]it's drawing more and more. 0:28:06.640,0:28:12.020 After sattva guna what happens? 0:28:12.020,0:28:18.307 They call one state turiya,[br]which means becoming clean, 0:28:18.307,0:28:20.980 functioning more from consciousness. 0:28:20.980,0:28:24.545 The lower states don't trouble you,[br]they don't trouble. 0:28:24.545,0:28:28.830 Identity doesn't trouble you.[br]At some point it won't trouble you. 0:28:28.830,0:28:31.366 People call you, 'So you're Paulette?' 0:28:31.366,0:28:34.250 'Yes, it's my name'. You still use the name. 0:28:34.250,0:28:38.750 When you wake up fully into yourself,[br]you will not have to change name. 0:28:38.750,0:28:42.429 You don't have to call yourself Parabrahman, 0:28:42.429,0:28:44.539 or some wonderful name. 0:28:44.539,0:28:46.870 You can still use your name. 0:28:46.870,0:28:50.280 But you are not this name. 0:28:50.280,0:28:55.410 You see, it's like, somehow, [br]something's unfolding, 0:28:55.410,0:28:57.730 and concepts don't stick with you. 0:28:57.730,0:29:01.670 The more they don't stick with you,[br]they're not so important. 0:29:01.670,0:29:03.745 Then all is available for you. 0:29:03.745,0:29:07.354 You can listen without having to decide, 0:29:07.354,0:29:11.559 'I believe in this. What do you believe?[br]What is your standpoint?' 0:29:11.559,0:29:17.320 It doesn't matter, actually,[br]as you're in the All-ness of your being. 0:29:20.250,0:29:24.630 Is it okay I'm talking like this?[br]Let's clear the field. Okay. 0:29:24.630,0:29:27.556 We're sweeping the house, so you understand. 0:29:27.556,0:29:32.040 When you say, 'I don't know why [br]I keep getting these things', 0:29:32.040,0:29:37.405 that relationship building is sticky. 0:29:37.405,0:29:41.654 I don't say, I'll show you how[br]to solve that problem, that problem. 0:29:41.654,0:29:43.840 I say learn something, 0:29:43.840,0:29:49.770 learn to observe your sense of identity[br]and its likes and dislikes, 0:29:49.770,0:29:54.245 but with some distance learn. [br]You can see. 0:29:54.245,0:29:56.680 And learn to detach. 0:29:56.680,0:30:01.770 And what did I say?[br]Should I say 99.9 percent 0:30:01.770,0:30:04.936 of the things in the world [br]does not trouble you? 0:30:04.936,0:30:09.310 Means you can walk anywhere [br]in the world and things don't go ... 0:30:09.310,0:30:13.170 You can move. Natural detachment. 0:30:13.170,0:30:18.450 But the 0.1 [laughter][br]of the things that matter. 0:30:18.450,0:30:21.570 'Oh, yeah, but no, no, I don't like pink. 0:30:21.570,0:30:25.407 Mmm-mmm. Not me. Mmm-mmm.[br]I don't like this. 0:30:25.407,0:30:28.350 Peacock feathers, [br]oh, keep it away from me!' 0:30:28.350,0:30:33.225 All this kind of stuff keeps you tied up [br]into the shape of the person. 0:30:33.225,0:30:37.500 You feel proud, 'I'm this kind of person.[br]I'm not that kind of person'. 0:30:37.500,0:30:41.950 You don't realise how we cheat 0:30:41.950,0:30:47.320 and shrink from your beauty. 0:30:47.320,0:30:52.040 All of this is you! 0:30:52.040,0:30:56.818 You will never learn and really ... 0:30:56.818,0:31:03.853 Love everyone! [br]Even those not yet born, you love. 0:31:03.853,0:31:09.960 'Oh, no, but I've never seen them.[br]Oh, I didn't know.' No, no. 0:31:09.960,0:31:13.040 Understand? Because it's your nature. 0:31:13.040,0:31:16.030 It's not just your choice. 0:31:16.030,0:31:19.240 And so I say, what is the simple thing? 0:31:19.240,0:31:21.761 Learn to observe more and more 0:31:21.761,0:31:24.691 with detachment, learn to see. 0:31:24.691,0:31:28.080 The mind, the maya-mind says, [br]'That's wasting time, 0:31:28.080,0:31:30.538 I don't get anything from doing that. 0:31:30.538,0:31:35.330 I fall asleep whenever I try to look [br]without attachment, I fall asleep. 0:31:35.330,0:31:38.520 Even here when we do [br]the 'Just Be' exercise ...' 0:31:38.520,0:31:42.790 Ding dong! I say like this ...[br][mimics falling asleep] [laughter] 0:31:42.790,0:31:46.590 Just woke up![br][laughter] 0:31:46.590,0:31:52.780 What is this? [br]It is a kind of psychic resistance, it's in us. 0:31:52.780,0:31:55.196 Something that is trying to resist 0:31:55.196,0:31:57.970 from coming into the fullness of yourself. 0:31:57.970,0:32:01.490 It's a force, this maya force[br]is a little resistance. 0:32:01.490,0:32:04.550 But don't be worried. It will soon change. 0:32:04.550,0:32:09.110 The minute you begin to feel the darshan 0:32:09.110,0:32:13.590 of your own heart, [deep breath][br]so much encouragement. 0:32:13.590,0:32:16.800 But you must earn it. 0:32:16.800,0:32:20.338 And what the teacher will do is[br]teach this thing, 0:32:20.338,0:32:24.460 but you have to be on board. 0:32:24.460,0:32:28.340 You have to be on board.[br]You have to be there. 0:32:28.340,0:32:33.000 Because even greatest guru cannot help you[br]if your heart's not on board. 0:32:33.000,0:32:36.076 You must work for it.[br]And look what it is also. 0:32:36.076,0:32:41.020 It's very mystical. But it's not difficult. 0:32:41.020,0:32:43.160 The path has been made so clean. 0:32:43.160,0:32:45.890 The higher you go, the purer the climate, 0:32:45.890,0:32:48.980 the simpler the advice, if you can take, 0:32:48.980,0:32:51.220 but the stronger the resistance. 0:32:51.220,0:32:54.391 Because your earth self 'arrgh' is fighting. 0:32:54.391,0:32:58.530 It's lazy. 'Argh.' It's like this. [br]You have to watch him. 0:32:58.530,0:33:02.776 You have to learn to observe this, okay,[br]and press on. 0:33:02.776,0:33:05.780 And what you have, [br]you may say at some point, 0:33:05.780,0:33:10.620 'I have nothing to encourage me [br]because my mind is just killing me.' 0:33:10.620,0:33:15.500 And some people say,[br]'But Guruji told you to do.' 0:33:15.500,0:33:18.260 'Yes, yes. Yeah, yeah, I do.' 0:33:18.260,0:33:20.913 Why? Because you have faith 0:33:20.913,0:33:24.770 and faith enough to give you [br]some strength, some courage. 0:33:24.770,0:33:28.921 Then also life, the source, empowers you, 0:33:28.921,0:33:32.613 because you chose,[br]when you've chosen many things, 0:33:32.613,0:33:35.610 you can keep on choosing [br]many things in life, 0:33:35.610,0:33:40.660 but you're choosing Supreme, 0:33:40.660,0:33:45.600 you're choosing God-consciousness,[br]you're choosing Self. 0:33:47.540,0:33:52.580 When I speak like this,[br]I get touched, you see? 0:33:52.580,0:33:55.250 If you choose This, 0:33:55.250,0:34:00.100 then you are really making use [br]of this life-form. 0:34:00.100,0:34:04.980 Because you can choose many things [br]and they will delay you. 0:34:04.980,0:34:08.266 And it's okay. You like this thing. You like that. 0:34:08.266,0:34:10.600 It's freedom. It's okay, it's okay. 0:34:10.600,0:34:15.280 But if you have in your heart this choice, 0:34:18.260,0:34:23.060 then you have taken the highest choice. 0:34:23.060,0:34:28.770 Then you will be tested[br]and you must pass this test. 0:34:31.050,0:34:35.809 And then all the grace of Parabrahman [br]comes for you. 0:34:39.110,0:34:41.640 If you say, 'I went around the corner, 0:34:41.640,0:34:44.770 somebody went, 'Boo!'[br]I don't want to go there', 0:34:44.770,0:34:47.810 then you come, 'Guruji what is the highest?' 0:34:47.810,0:34:52.089 I said, You didn't even pass the lowest! 0:34:52.089,0:34:54.858 [laughter] 0:34:54.858,0:34:56.860 M: You want the highest. 0:34:56.860,0:35:00.860 I say, a little person comes,[br]says, 'Look at you. Oh, no, no'. 0:35:00.860,0:35:03.806 And you're ... [imitates crying] 0:35:03.806,0:35:07.389 I say these small things,[br]how are you going to overcome? 0:35:07.389,0:35:11.878 By looking and learning to let the fear ... [br]Don't try to stop the feelings. 0:35:11.878,0:35:14.480 Let them come. Don't try and stop them. 0:35:14.480,0:35:18.920 What you need is not to stop them,[br]but to have clear seeing of them. 0:35:18.920,0:35:22.760 Just see that it's the life force. 0:35:22.760,0:35:27.104 The force of habit is playing[br]and this is its domain, 0:35:27.104,0:35:29.981 this is its sensors, [touches the body] 0:35:29.981,0:35:33.360 it's playing in here[br]and the mind is playing. 0:35:33.360,0:35:36.580 And you say, 'But how I can see this? 0:35:36.580,0:35:38.188 How come I'm seeing this?' 0:35:38.188,0:35:42.668 Gradually, you stay in your satsang,[br]you listen, you start to find, 0:35:42.668,0:35:46.195 'Where there didn't seem to be a way,[br]there is a way!' 0:35:46.195,0:35:52.774 Which way is it?[br]It's here, it's here, it's here. [points to heart] 0:35:56.000,0:36:00.549 So, you just continue. Don't try ... 0:36:00.549,0:36:04.162 If someone gets a bit hurt,[br]you go try something else, 0:36:04.162,0:36:06.342 you try something else and try. 0:36:06.342,0:36:10.070 No, no. You must have some faith. 0:36:10.070,0:36:13.272 If you don't have faith, [br]you can pray, ask Baba, 0:36:13.272,0:36:17.876 'Oh, Guruji, please, [br]I want to believe, I trust, 0:36:17.876,0:36:22.770 but I'm weak, please help me.'[br]God's help comes. 0:36:22.770,0:36:27.070 Help comes. Be humble. 0:36:27.070,0:36:31.680 As you're growing, kindness is coming.[br]Kindness is coming. 0:36:31.680,0:36:35.288 Maybe you didn't realise [br]how unkind your behaviour is. 0:36:35.288,0:36:40.100 Selfishness is going.[br]Empathy is coming. 0:36:41.830,0:36:44.834 Spaciousness is coming. 0:36:44.834,0:36:48.204 Heaviness is leaving. 0:36:50.630,0:36:57.520 Unexpected boon and grace is flowing, 0:36:57.520,0:37:01.980 seemingly undeserved, it's coming. 0:37:04.110,0:37:06.109 Then, things that you feel, 0:37:06.109,0:37:10.367 'But how did this come?' are coming. 0:37:10.367,0:37:14.389 Then when you start to feel great,[br]something goes, 'Ehh! Uhh!' 0:37:14.389,0:37:17.913 That is coming also. [br]Everything is coming. [laughter] 0:37:17.913,0:37:22.499 You're going to give up.[br]Like this it comes. 0:37:28.550,0:37:35.950 I have a tremendous...[br]I have in my heart I found 0:37:35.950,0:37:39.150 the love for all the beings is there. 0:37:39.150,0:37:41.520 I didn't work at it. 0:37:41.520,0:37:47.317 You just stay open, [br]you come to your natural love, 0:37:47.317,0:37:50.470 your natural state is there. 0:37:50.470,0:37:59.250 But the service to sangha, [br]who, if I am right about it, 0:37:59.250,0:38:08.820 are those I perceive to be[br]on a higher journey of awakening, 0:38:08.820,0:38:14.280 then this body, this life force [br]is dedicated to that. 0:38:16.860,0:38:19.050 It's dedicated to that. 0:38:19.050,0:38:22.980 You will have troubles 0:38:22.980,0:38:26.979 but you will overcome them. 0:38:31.200,0:38:39.985 And the highest, clearest power [br]in the universe has called you, 0:38:39.985,0:38:42.905 [silence] 0:38:56.980,0:39:01.489 and supports your seeing. 0:39:04.830,0:39:11.050 Stop thinking of yourself [br]as some petty little thing. 0:39:11.050,0:39:15.769 But don't think of yourself [br]as a great thing also. [laughter] 0:39:18.690,0:39:20.880 Yeah. 0:39:23.930,0:39:28.410 And the one thing that will be repeated:[br]Don't give up. 0:39:28.410,0:39:32.380 Keep looking and clarify [br]your misunderstanding of you. 0:39:32.380,0:39:35.910 Someone says, 'But I'm doing like this.'[br]I say no, no. 0:39:35.910,0:39:42.651 What I show, come now, you do. Look. [br]Da da da da. Come. [exhales] 0:39:42.651,0:39:45.450 Don't put this in your pocket. 0:39:45.450,0:39:52.480 Put it in your heart and stay with it[br]and increase in it. 0:39:54.930,0:39:59.470 And so your autobiography [br]that you write in your person, 0:39:59.470,0:40:03.110 that will disappear. 0:40:22.455,0:40:25.960 Group: Thank you.[br]M: Thank you. 0:40:41.650,0:40:44.354 M: What is happening also, is that, 0:40:44.354,0:40:49.454 I'm finding more the ones,[br]I just find them, 0:40:49.454,0:40:55.020 we stay together, we look,[br]and quickly from here, [indicates mind noise] 0:40:55.020,0:40:59.260 just go down. [more silent] 0:40:59.260,0:41:04.430 You want to come in with me,[br]we go down. Stay. 0:41:04.430,0:41:08.934 And all this mind stuff starts to 0:41:08.934,0:41:12.600 just dry up very naturally. Just simple. 0:41:12.600,0:41:15.526 I told you from the beginning it is simple, 0:41:15.526,0:41:19.360 because you don't have to create your Self. 0:41:19.360,0:41:22.242 You can create a false self. 0:41:22.242,0:41:27.672 But your True Self you can only discover. 0:41:27.672,0:41:33.419 When you discover t, [br]the discoverer merges in it also. 0:41:48.131,0:41:51.790 Copyright 2025 Mooji Media Ltd.[br]All Rights Reserved. 0:41:51.790,0:41:54.876 No part of this recording may be reproduced 0:41:54.876,0:41:57.969 without Mooji Media Ltd.'s express consent.