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Il tuo stesso cuore sta ora diventando il tuo amato

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26 gennaio 2025

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[Interlocutrice] Mi sembra d'averti sentito dire

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che non si sa fino a che punto[br]si sia onesti, aperti, e questo lo sento.

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[Mooji] Va bene, dici :"A volte non sappiamo[br]se siamo davvero aperti",

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e sono piuttosto d'accordo,[br]ma lo sei abbastanza da venire qui.

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Sai che negozio è questo?[br][Interl.]Sì.

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[Mooji] Quindi, che negozio è?

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[Interl.] Il negozio...Il negozio vuoto!

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[Mooji] Negozio vuoto? [Risate]

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Furba lei! Ottimo, va bene.[br][Interl.] Forse...

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[Mooji] Quindi seivenuta a comprare[br]un po' di vuoto. [Risate]

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[Interl.] Ho l'impressione che sia facile mancare questo.

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[Mooji] In un negozio vuoto [br]non si può comprare, solo essere.

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Non c'è nulla da comprare.

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Sarebbe un buon titolo:[br]"Venite nel negozio vuoto". [Risate]

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Come "Ladri n una casa vuota".

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Voglio usare questa cosa,[br]perché hai scelto quest'esempio del negozio vuoto?

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[Mooji] Quello che sento è di non poter[br]essere sicura al cento per cento

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che non ci sia nulla che non riesco a vedere.

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[Mooji] Non so se ho mai incontrato qualcuno

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che fosse sicuro al cento per cento di qualcosa,[br]eccetto del fatto di esistere.

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Forse questo lo si può dire: si è sicuri d'esistere,[br]e di esperire o percepire.

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[Mooji] Sei d'accordo o no? Tu sai di essere?[br][Interl.] Sì.

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[Mooji] E di esperire?[br][Interl.] Sì.

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[Mooji] Allora, lavoriamo solo con questo,[br]dato che tutto il resto è traffico.

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Quindi ogni cosa arriva ed è percepita,[br]arriva e se ne va.

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Perché c'è una percezione?[br]C'è perché ci sei tu, esisti tu.

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Ora dobbiamo osservare.[br]lascia tutto ciò che va e viene, ora.

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Ci sei solo tu e il percepire.

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Tra te e il percepire,[br]quale dei due è più vero,

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quale resterebbe se uno dei due dovesse sparire?

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Dici: "Io percepisco, io percepisco",

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quindi questo "io percepisco" indica che l'esperire, [br]e tutto ciò che accade, è percepito dall' 'io'.

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[Mooji] Giusto?[br][Interl.] Giusto.

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[Mooji] Quindi potresti perfino dire:[br]"Io non sto percependo",

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ovvero: "Percepisco che non percepisco".

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Voglio restare chiaro e semplico.

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Quindi...

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[Voce in sala] Guruji, ma se si percepisse il vuoto?

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[Interl.] Quando chiedi quale dei due sia più vero...

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non ricordo esattamente cosa hai detto.

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[Mooji] Sai che esisti.[br][Interl.] Sì.

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[Mooji] E sai che percepisci o esperisci la percezione

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tramite i sensi o la mente

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Quando sorge uno stato interiore o una[br]situazione esteriore, vengono percepiti da te.

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Tutto ciò che arriva può andarsene:

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gli stati mentali, emotivi, gli amici;

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c'è gente chi vive, c'è chi muore, c'è chi resta;[br]stai male, ti senti bene,

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provi entusiasmo, noia, stanchezza[br]o tanta energia:

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percepisce tutto questo, che va e viene,[br]ma il te che lo percepisce,

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anche quello va e viene?[br]Ed è personale?

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[Mooji] Sorgono anche gli stati personali.[br][Interl.] Sì.

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[Mooji] Quindi sono anch'essi[br]nel campo del percepibile, no?

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Quindi anche queste cose, e la sensazione 'io',

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la tua autobiografia e le tue idee sulla vita,

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tutte queste cose personali, sono percepite[br]anch'esse, vero? E se mutano,

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anche quello è percepito,[br]quindi non possono essere ciò che le percepisce.

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[Mooji] Non è vero?[br][Interl.] Sì.

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[Mooji] Ciò che le percepisce, è materiale o immateriale?

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è materiale o immateriale? È immateriale?

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[Interl.] Non è materiale.[br][Mooji] Non è materiale.

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[Interl.] Non posso dire cosa sia, ma sento che...

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[Mooji] Chi sta parlando, ora?

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Non è una domanda-trabocchetto.[br][Inter.] Indago.

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[Mooji] È ovvio che la risposta[br]viene in modo facile e fluido,

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non si fa fatica ad affermare che tutte cose [br]vengono percepite,

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e che ciò che le percepisce, qualunque cosa sia,[br]non può essere definito qualitativamente.

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È forse maschio o femmina? [br]Oppure altro di questo tipo? No.

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Quindi le risposte e reazioni scaturiscono da lì.

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Le risposte e reazioni arrivano,[br]e sono percepite anch'esse

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riversarsi da qualcosa, [br]qualunque cosa o non-cosa sia.

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[Interl.] Non so se si riversano, [br]comunque sono percepite.

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[Mooji] Va bene, comunque compaiono anch'esse.

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Allora cosa possiamo dire di ciò che le percepisce?

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È una struttura, o non è strutturato?

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[Interl.] Non ha struttura.[br][Mooji] Bene.

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E questo è significativo per te?[br][Interl.] Sì, lo è.

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[Mooji] Bene, allora, dove inizia il problema, [br]se ce n'è uno?

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Questa è una nuova capacità che hai sviluppato?

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Tutti possono farsi avanti,[br]non è specificatamente per te,

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è per tutti, tutti coloro che hanno [br]la sensazione 'io sono',

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questa, però, viene subito attribuita al corpo:

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"Sono tale persona, sono tedesco, sono medico",

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viene incamerato il 'sono questo e quello', [br]e ci si convince

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di essere qualcosa d'identificabile,

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ma da dove ti trovi,[br]pure questo è un costrutto, è visto,

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e l'io che le vede non è quelle cose,

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non puoi definirlo un medico o un'infermiera,[br]non puoi dire che è alto un metro e settanta,

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o cento settanta centimetri, [br]non ha nessuna di queste caratteristiche.

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Cos'è, di per sé stesso?

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Cos'è, se di suo non si connette[br]a punti o elementi percepibili?

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[Interl.] non c'è nulla che lo disturbi.

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[Mooji] Va bene, ora reintroduciamo tutte le cose:[br]

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ne viene disturbato?[br][Interl.] No.

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Lo è solo se l'identità non viene individuata.

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[Mooji] Se non viene cosa?[br][Interl.] Se non viene vista.

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[Mooji] Quindi è l'identità che porta tutti i guai?

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[Interl.] È l'identità a portare i guai, ma per chi?

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[Mooji] Ah, e lo chiedi a me? [Risate]

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Devi scoprirlo, e puoi farlo proprio qui.

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