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Il tuo stesso cuore sta ora diventando il tuo amato

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26 gennaio 2025

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[Interlocutrice] Mi sembra d'averti sentito dire

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che non si sa fino a che punto
si sia onesti, aperti, e questo lo sento.

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[Mooji] Va bene, dici :"A volte non sappiamo
se siamo davvero aperti",

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e sono piuttosto d'accordo,
ma lo sei abbastanza da venire qui.

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Sai che negozio è questo?
[Interl.]Sì.

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[Mooji] Quindi, che negozio è?

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[Interl.] Il negozio...Il negozio vuoto!

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[Mooji] Negozio vuoto? [Risate]

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Furba lei! Ottimo, va bene.
[Interl.] Forse...

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[Mooji] Quindi seivenuta a comprare
un po' di vuoto. [Risate]

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[Interl.] Ho l'impressione che sia facile mancare questo.

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[Mooji] In un negozio vuoto 
non si può comprare, solo essere.

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Non c'è nulla da comprare.

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Sarebbe un buon titolo:
"Venite nel negozio vuoto". [Risate]

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Come "Ladri n una casa vuota".

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Voglio usare questa cosa,
perché hai scelto quest'esempio del negozio vuoto?

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[Mooji] Quello che sento è di non poter
essere sicura al cento per cento

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che non ci sia nulla che non riesco a vedere.

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[Mooji] Non so se ho mai incontrato qualcuno

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che fosse sicuro al cento per cento di qualcosa,
eccetto del fatto di esistere.

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Forse questo lo si può dire: si è sicuri d'esistere,
e di esperire o percepire.

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[Mooji] Sei d'accordo o no? Tu sai di essere?
[Interl.] Sì.

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[Mooji] E di esperire?
[Interl.] Sì.

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[Mooji] Allora, lavoriamo solo con questo,
dato che tutto il resto è traffico.

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Quindi ogni cosa arriva ed è percepita,
arriva e se ne va.

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Perché c'è una percezione?
C'è perché ci sei tu, esisti tu.

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Ora dobbiamo osservare.
lascia tutto ciò che va e viene, ora.

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Ci sei solo tu e il percepire.

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Tra te e il percepire,
quale dei due è più vero,

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quale resterebbe se uno dei due dovesse sparire?

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Dici: "Io percepisco, io percepisco",

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quindi questo "io percepisco" indica che l'esperire, 
e tutto ciò che accade, è percepito dall' 'io'.

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[Mooji] Giusto?
[Interl.] Giusto.

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[Mooji] Quindi potresti perfino dire:
"Io non sto percependo",

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ovvero: "Percepisco che non percepisco".

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Voglio restare chiaro e semplico.

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Quindi...

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[Voce in sala] Guruji, ma se si percepisse il vuoto?

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[Interl.] Quando chiedi quale dei due sia più vero...

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non ricordo esattamente cosa hai detto.

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[Mooji] Sai che esisti.
[Interl.] Sì.

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[Mooji] E sai che percepisci o esperisci la percezione

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tramite i sensi o la mente

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Quando sorge uno stato interiore o una
situazione esteriore, vengono percepiti da te.

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Tutto ciò che arriva può andarsene:

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gli stati mentali, emotivi, gli amici;

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c'è gente chi vive, c'è chi muore, c'è chi resta;
stai male, ti senti bene,

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provi entusiasmo, noia, stanchezza
o tanta energia:

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percepisce tutto questo, che va e viene,
ma il te che lo percepisce,

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anche quello va e viene?
Ed è personale?

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[Mooji] Sorgono anche gli stati personali.
[Interl.] Sì.

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[Mooji] Quindi sono anch'essi
nel campo del percepibile, no?

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Quindi anche queste cose, e la sensazione 'io',

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la tua autobiografia e le tue idee sulla vita,

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tutte queste cose personali, sono percepite
anch'esse, vero? E se mutano,

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anche quello è percepito,
quindi non possono essere ciò che le percepisce.

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[Mooji] Non è vero?
[Interl.] Sì.

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[Mooji] Ciò che le percepisce, è materiale o immateriale?

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è materiale o immateriale? È immateriale?

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[Interl.] Non è materiale.
[Mooji] Non è materiale.

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[Interl.] Non posso dire cosa sia, ma sento che...

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[Mooji] Chi sta parlando, ora?

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Non è una domanda-trabocchetto.
[Inter.] Indago.

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[Mooji] È ovvio che la risposta
viene in modo facile e fluido,

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non si fa fatica ad affermare che tutte cose 
vengono percepite,

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e che ciò che le percepisce, qualunque cosa sia,
non può essere definito qualitativamente.

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È forse maschio o femmina? 
Oppure altro di questo tipo? No.

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Quindi le risposte e reazioni scaturiscono da lì.

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Le risposte e reazioni arrivano,
e sono percepite anch'esse

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riversarsi da qualcosa, 
qualunque cosa o non-cosa sia.

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[Interl.] Non so se si riversano, 
comunque sono percepite.

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[Mooji] Va bene, comunque compaiono anch'esse.

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Allora cosa possiamo dire di ciò che le percepisce?

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È una struttura, o non è strutturato?

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[Interl.] Non ha struttura.
[Mooji] Bene.

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E questo è significativo per te?
[Interl.] Sì, lo è.

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[Mooji] Bene, allora, dove inizia il problema, 
se ce n'è uno?

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Questa è una nuova capacità che hai sviluppato?

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Tutti possono farsi avanti,
non è specificatamente per te,

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è per tutti, tutti coloro che hanno 
la sensazione 'io sono',

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questa, però, viene subito attribuita al corpo:

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"Sono tale persona, sono tedesco, sono medico",

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viene incamerato il 'sono questo e quello', 
e ci si convince

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di essere qualcosa d'identificabile,

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ma da dove ti trovi,
pure questo è un costrutto, è visto,

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e l'io che le vede non è quelle cose,

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non puoi definirlo un medico o un'infermiera,
non puoi dire che è alto un metro e settanta,

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o cento settanta centimetri, 
non ha nessuna di queste caratteristiche.

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Cos'è, di per sé stesso?

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Cos'è, se di suo non si connette
a punti o elementi percepibili?

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[Interl.] non c'è nulla che lo disturbi.

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[Mooji] Va bene, ora reintroduciamo tutte le cose:


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ne viene disturbato?
[Interl.] No.

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Lo è solo se l'identità non viene individuata.

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[Mooji] Se non viene cosa?
[Interl.] Se non viene vista.

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[Mooji] Quindi è l'identità che porta tutti i guai?

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[Interl.] È l'identità a portare i guai, ma per chi?

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[Mooji] Ah, e lo chiedi a me? [Risate]

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Devi scoprirlo, e puoi farlo proprio qui.

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00:21:15,390 --> 00:21:18,850


298
00:21:18,850 --> 00:21:20,952


299
00:21:20,952 --> 00:21:23,880


300
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,750


301
00:21:26,750 --> 00:21:29,397


302
00:21:29,397 --> 00:21:32,870


303
00:21:32,870 --> 00:21:36,637


304
00:21:36,637 --> 00:21:39,738


305
00:21:39,738 --> 00:21:42,020


306
00:21:42,020 --> 00:21:46,160


307
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,189


308
00:21:49,189 --> 00:21:53,060


309
00:21:53,060 --> 00:21:55,214


310
00:21:55,214 --> 00:21:59,700


311
00:21:59,700 --> 00:22:03,182


312
00:22:03,182 --> 00:22:05,627


313
00:22:05,627 --> 00:22:10,219


314
00:22:10,219 --> 00:22:13,900


315
00:22:13,900 --> 00:22:16,930


316
00:22:16,930 --> 00:22:19,110


317
00:22:19,110 --> 00:22:24,220


318
00:22:24,220 --> 00:22:28,660


319
00:22:28,660 --> 00:22:32,390


320
00:22:32,390 --> 00:22:35,190


321
00:22:35,190 --> 00:22:38,261


322
00:22:38,261 --> 00:22:41,526


323
00:22:41,526 --> 00:22:45,811


324
00:22:45,811 --> 00:22:49,099


325
00:22:49,099 --> 00:22:52,140


326
00:22:52,140 --> 00:22:57,397


327
00:22:57,397 --> 00:23:03,624


328
00:23:03,624 --> 00:23:05,900


329
00:23:05,900 --> 00:23:10,120


330
00:23:10,120 --> 00:23:16,500


331
00:23:16,500 --> 00:23:20,601


332
00:23:20,601 --> 00:23:24,435


333
00:23:24,435 --> 00:23:27,860


334
00:23:27,860 --> 00:23:31,218


335
00:23:31,218 --> 00:23:33,940


336
00:23:33,940 --> 00:23:38,650


337
00:23:38,650 --> 00:23:40,675


338
00:23:40,675 --> 00:23:43,765


339
00:23:43,765 --> 00:23:47,310


340
00:23:47,310 --> 00:23:50,380


341
00:23:50,380 --> 00:23:52,638


342
00:23:52,638 --> 00:23:55,100


343
00:23:55,100 --> 00:24:00,890


344
00:24:00,890 --> 00:24:04,020


345
00:24:04,020 --> 00:24:08,486


346
00:24:08,486 --> 00:24:11,880


347
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:16,808


348
00:24:16,808 --> 00:24:21,750


349
00:24:21,750 --> 00:24:24,460


350
00:24:24,460 --> 00:24:32,370


351
00:24:32,370 --> 00:24:35,699


352
00:24:35,699 --> 00:24:39,410


353
00:24:39,410 --> 00:24:42,280


354
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:47,160


355
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:51,801


356
00:24:51,801 --> 00:24:55,748


357
00:24:55,748 --> 00:24:57,950


358
00:24:57,950 --> 00:25:00,920


359
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:06,481


360
00:25:06,481 --> 00:25:12,691


361
00:25:12,691 --> 00:25:15,450


362
00:25:15,450 --> 00:25:19,430


363
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:23,900


364
00:25:23,900 --> 00:25:27,580


365
00:25:27,580 --> 00:25:31,330


366
00:25:31,330 --> 00:25:34,112


367
00:25:34,112 --> 00:25:38,360


368
00:25:38,360 --> 00:25:43,810


369
00:25:43,810 --> 00:25:49,243


370
00:25:49,243 --> 00:25:52,781


371
00:25:52,781 --> 00:25:56,528


372
00:25:56,528 --> 00:25:59,830


373
00:25:59,830 --> 00:26:03,640


374
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,030


375
00:26:06,030 --> 00:26:09,570


376
00:26:09,570 --> 00:26:13,790


377
00:26:13,790 --> 00:26:18,212


378
00:26:18,212 --> 00:26:20,368


379
00:26:20,368 --> 00:26:24,160


380
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,890


381
00:26:27,890 --> 00:26:32,230


382
00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:36,470


383
00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:39,630


384
00:26:39,630 --> 00:26:42,140


385
00:26:42,140 --> 00:26:48,040


386
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:53,290


387
00:26:53,290 --> 00:26:58,910


388
00:26:58,910 --> 00:27:01,250


389
00:27:01,250 --> 00:27:05,070


390
00:27:05,070 --> 00:27:08,382


391
00:27:08,382 --> 00:27:10,450


392
00:27:10,450 --> 00:27:14,970


393
00:27:14,970 --> 00:27:17,703


394
00:27:17,703 --> 00:27:21,030


395
00:27:21,030 --> 00:27:24,690


396
00:27:24,690 --> 00:27:29,420


397
00:27:29,420 --> 00:27:35,080


398
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:39,558


399
00:27:39,558 --> 00:27:42,081


400
00:27:42,081 --> 00:27:44,651


401
00:27:44,651 --> 00:27:48,429


402
00:27:48,429 --> 00:27:53,710


403
00:27:53,710 --> 00:27:57,440


404
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:02,060


405
00:28:02,060 --> 00:28:06,640


406
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:12,020


407
00:28:12,020 --> 00:28:18,307


408
00:28:18,307 --> 00:28:20,980


409
00:28:20,980 --> 00:28:24,545


410
00:28:24,545 --> 00:28:28,830


411
00:28:28,830 --> 00:28:31,366


412
00:28:31,366 --> 00:28:34,250


413
00:28:34,250 --> 00:28:38,750


414
00:28:38,750 --> 00:28:42,429


415
00:28:42,429 --> 00:28:44,539


416
00:28:44,539 --> 00:28:46,870


417
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:50,280


418
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:55,410


419
00:28:55,410 --> 00:28:57,730


420
00:28:57,730 --> 00:29:01,670


421
00:29:01,670 --> 00:29:03,745


422
00:29:03,745 --> 00:29:07,354


423
00:29:07,354 --> 00:29:11,559


424
00:29:11,559 --> 00:29:17,320


425
00:29:20,250 --> 00:29:24,630


426
00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:27,556


427
00:29:27,556 --> 00:29:32,040


428
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:37,405


429
00:29:37,405 --> 00:29:41,654


430
00:29:41,654 --> 00:29:43,840


431
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:49,770


432
00:29:49,770 --> 00:29:54,245


433
00:29:54,245 --> 00:29:56,680


434
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:01,770


435
00:30:01,770 --> 00:30:04,936


436
00:30:04,936 --> 00:30:09,310


437
00:30:09,310 --> 00:30:13,170


438
00:30:13,170 --> 00:30:18,450


439
00:30:18,450 --> 00:30:21,570


440
00:30:21,570 --> 00:30:25,407


441
00:30:25,407 --> 00:30:28,350


442
00:30:28,350 --> 00:30:33,225


443
00:30:33,225 --> 00:30:37,500


444
00:30:37,500 --> 00:30:41,950


445
00:30:41,950 --> 00:30:47,320


446
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:52,040


447
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:56,818


448
00:30:56,818 --> 00:31:03,853


449
00:31:03,853 --> 00:31:09,960


450
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,040


451
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,030


452
00:31:16,030 --> 00:31:19,240


453
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,761


454
00:31:21,761 --> 00:31:24,691


455
00:31:24,691 --> 00:31:28,080


456
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,538


457
00:31:30,538 --> 00:31:35,330


458
00:31:35,330 --> 00:31:38,520


459
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,790


460
00:31:42,790 --> 00:31:46,590


461
00:31:46,590 --> 00:31:52,780


462
00:31:52,780 --> 00:31:55,196


463
00:31:55,196 --> 00:31:57,970


464
00:31:57,970 --> 00:32:01,490


465
00:32:01,490 --> 00:32:04,550


466
00:32:04,550 --> 00:32:09,110


467
00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:13,590


468
00:32:13,590 --> 00:32:16,800


469
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,338


470
00:32:20,338 --> 00:32:24,460


471
00:32:24,460 --> 00:32:28,340


472
00:32:28,340 --> 00:32:33,000


473
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,076


474
00:32:36,076 --> 00:32:41,020


475
00:32:41,020 --> 00:32:43,160


476
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,890


477
00:32:45,890 --> 00:32:48,980


478
00:32:48,980 --> 00:32:51,220


479
00:32:51,220 --> 00:32:54,391


480
00:32:54,391 --> 00:32:58,530


481
00:32:58,530 --> 00:33:02,776


482
00:33:02,776 --> 00:33:05,780


483
00:33:05,780 --> 00:33:10,620


484
00:33:10,620 --> 00:33:15,500


485
00:33:15,500 --> 00:33:18,260


486
00:33:18,260 --> 00:33:20,913


487
00:33:20,913 --> 00:33:24,770


488
00:33:24,770 --> 00:33:28,921


489
00:33:28,921 --> 00:33:32,613


490
00:33:32,613 --> 00:33:35,610


491
00:33:35,610 --> 00:33:40,660


492
00:33:40,660 --> 00:33:45,600


493
00:33:47,540 --> 00:33:52,580


494
00:33:52,580 --> 00:33:55,250


495
00:33:55,250 --> 00:34:00,100


496
00:34:00,100 --> 00:34:04,980


497
00:34:04,980 --> 00:34:08,266


498
00:34:08,266 --> 00:34:10,600


499
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:15,280


500
00:34:18,260 --> 00:34:23,060


501
00:34:23,060 --> 00:34:28,770


502
00:34:31,050 --> 00:34:35,809


503
00:34:39,110 --> 00:34:41,640


504
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,770


505
00:34:44,770 --> 00:34:47,810


506
00:34:47,810 --> 00:34:52,089


507
00:34:52,089 --> 00:34:54,858


508
00:34:54,858 --> 00:34:56,860


509
00:34:56,860 --> 00:35:00,860


510
00:35:00,860 --> 00:35:03,806


511
00:35:03,806 --> 00:35:07,389


512
00:35:07,389 --> 00:35:11,878


513
00:35:11,878 --> 00:35:14,480


514
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,920


515
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,760


516
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:27,104


517
00:35:27,104 --> 00:35:29,981


518
00:35:29,981 --> 00:35:33,360


519
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,580


520
00:35:36,580 --> 00:35:38,188


521
00:35:38,188 --> 00:35:42,668


522
00:35:42,668 --> 00:35:46,195


523
00:35:46,195 --> 00:35:52,774


524
00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:00,549


525
00:36:00,549 --> 00:36:04,162


526
00:36:04,162 --> 00:36:06,342


527
00:36:06,342 --> 00:36:10,070


528
00:36:10,070 --> 00:36:13,272


529
00:36:13,272 --> 00:36:17,876


530
00:36:17,876 --> 00:36:22,770


531
00:36:22,770 --> 00:36:27,070


532
00:36:27,070 --> 00:36:31,680


533
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,288


534
00:36:35,288 --> 00:36:40,100


535
00:36:41,830 --> 00:36:44,834


536
00:36:44,834 --> 00:36:48,204


537
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:57,520


538
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,980


539
00:37:04,110 --> 00:37:06,109


540
00:37:06,109 --> 00:37:10,367


541
00:37:10,367 --> 00:37:14,389


542
00:37:14,389 --> 00:37:17,913


543
00:37:17,913 --> 00:37:22,499


544
00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:35,950


545
00:37:35,950 --> 00:37:39,150


546
00:37:39,150 --> 00:37:41,520


547
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:47,317


548
00:37:47,317 --> 00:37:50,470


549
00:37:50,470 --> 00:37:59,250


550
00:37:59,250 --> 00:38:08,820


551
00:38:08,820 --> 00:38:14,280


552
00:38:16,860 --> 00:38:19,050


553
00:38:19,050 --> 00:38:22,980


554
00:38:22,980 --> 00:38:26,979


555
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:39,985


556
00:38:39,985 --> 00:38:42,905


557
00:38:56,980 --> 00:39:01,489


558
00:39:04,830 --> 00:39:11,050


559
00:39:11,050 --> 00:39:15,769


560
00:39:18,690 --> 00:39:20,880


561
00:39:23,930 --> 00:39:28,410


562
00:39:28,410 --> 00:39:32,380


563
00:39:32,380 --> 00:39:35,910


564
00:39:35,910 --> 00:39:42,651


565
00:39:42,651 --> 00:39:45,450


566
00:39:45,450 --> 00:39:52,480


567
00:39:54,930 --> 00:39:59,470


568
00:39:59,470 --> 00:40:03,110


569
00:40:22,455 --> 00:40:25,960


570
00:40:41,650 --> 00:40:44,354


571
00:40:44,354 --> 00:40:49,454


572
00:40:49,454 --> 00:40:55,020


573
00:40:55,020 --> 00:40:59,260


574
00:40:59,260 --> 00:41:04,430


575
00:41:04,430 --> 00:41:08,934


576
00:41:08,934 --> 00:41:12,600


577
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,526


578
00:41:15,526 --> 00:41:19,360


579
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,242


580
00:41:22,242 --> 00:41:27,672


581
00:41:27,672 --> 00:41:33,419


582
00:41:48,131 --> 00:41:51,790


583
00:41:51,790 --> 00:41:54,876


584
00:41:54,876 --> 00:41:57,969