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Il tuo stesso cuore sta ora diventando il tuo amato

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26 gennaio 2025

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[Interlocutrice] Mi sembra d'averti sentito dire

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che non si sa fino a che punto
si sia onesti, aperti, e questo lo sento.

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[Mooji] Va bene, dici :"A volte non sappiamo
se siamo davvero aperti",

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e sono piuttosto d'accordo,
ma lo sei abbastanza da venire qui.

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Sai che negozio è questo?
[Interl.]Sì.

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[Mooji] Quindi, che negozio è?

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[Interl.] Il negozio...Il negozio vuoto!

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[Mooji] Negozio vuoto? [Risate]

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Furba lei! Ottimo, va bene.
[Interl.] Forse...

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[Mooji] Quindi seivenuta a comprare
un po' di vuoto. [Risate]

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[Interl.] Ho l'impressione che sia facile mancare questo.

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[Mooji] In un negozio vuoto 
non si può comprare, solo essere.

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Non c'è nulla da comprare.

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Sarebbe un buon titolo:
"Venite nel negozio vuoto". [Risate]

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Come "Ladri n una casa vuota".

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Voglio usare questa cosa,
perché hai scelto quest'esempio del negozio vuoto?

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[Mooji] Quello che sento è di non poter
essere sicura al cento per cento

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che non ci sia nulla che non riesco a vedere.

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[Mooji] Non so se ho mai incontrato qualcuno

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che fosse sicuro al cento per cento di qualcosa,
eccetto del fatto di esistere.

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Forse questo lo si può dire: si è sicuri d'esistere,
e di esperire o percepire.

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[Mooji] Sei d'accordo o no? Tu sai di essere?
[Interl.] Sì.

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[Mooji] E di esperire?
[Interl.] Sì.

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[Mooji] Allora, lavoriamo solo con questo,
dato che tutto il resto è traffico.

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Quindi ogni cosa arriva ed è percepita,
arriva e se ne va.

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Perché c'è una percezione?
C'è perché ci sei tu, esisti tu.

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Ora dobbiamo osservare.
lascia tutto ciò che va e viene, ora.

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Ci sei solo tu e il percepire.

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Tra te e il percepire,
quale dei due è più vero,

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quale resterebbe se uno dei due dovesse sparire?

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Dici: "Io percepisco, io percepisco",

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quindi questo "io percepisco" indica che l'esperire, 
e tutto ciò che accade, è percepito dall' 'io'.

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[Mooji] Giusto?
[Interl.] Giusto.

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[Mooji] Quindi potresti perfino dire:
"Io non sto percependo",

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ovvero: "Percepisco che non percepisco".

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Voglio restare chiaro e semplico.

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Quindi...

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[Voce in sala] Guruji, ma se si percepisse il vuoto?

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[Interl.] Quando chiedi quale dei due sia più vero...

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non ricordo esattamente cosa hai detto.

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[Mooji] Sai che esisti.
[Interl.] Sì.

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[Mooji] E sai che percepisci o esperisci la percezione

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tramite i sensi o la mente

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Quando sorge uno stato interiore o una
situazione esteriore, vengono percepiti da te.

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Tutto ciò che arriva può andarsene:

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gli stati mentali, emotivi, gli amici;

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c'è gente chi vive, c'è chi muore, c'è chi resta;
stai male, ti senti bene,

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provi entusiasmo, noia, stanchezza
o tanta energia:

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percepisce tutto questo, che va e viene,
ma il te che lo percepisce,

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anche quello va e viene?
Ed è personale?

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[Mooji] Sorgono anche gli stati personali.
[Interl.] Sì.

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[Mooji] Quindi sono anch'essi
nel campo del percepibile, no?

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Quindi anche queste cose, e la sensazione 'io',

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la tua autobiografia e le tue idee sulla vita,

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tutte queste cose personali, sono percepite
anch'esse, vero? E se mutano,

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anche quello è percepito,
quindi non possono essere ciò che le percepisce.

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[Mooji] Non è vero?
[Interl.] Sì.

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[Mooji] Ciò che le percepisce, è materiale o immateriale?

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è materiale o immateriale? È immateriale?

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[Interl.] Non è materiale.
[Mooji] Non è materiale.

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[Interl.] Non posso dire cosa sia, ma sento che...

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[Mooji] Chi sta parlando, ora?

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Non è una domanda-trabocchetto.
[Inter.] Indago.

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[Mooji] È ovvio che la risposta
viene in modo facile e fluido,

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non si fa fatica ad affermare che tutte cose 
vengono percepite,

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e che ciò che le percepisce, qualunque cosa sia,
non può essere definito qualitativamente.

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È forse maschio o femmina? 
Oppure altro di questo tipo? No.

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Quindi le risposte e reazioni scaturiscono da lì.

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Le risposte e reazioni arrivano,
e sono percepite anch'esse

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riversarsi da qualcosa, 
qualunque cosa o non-cosa sia.

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[Interl.] Non so se si riversano, 
comunque sono percepite.

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[Mooji] Va bene, comunque compaiono anch'esse.

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Allora cosa possiamo dire di ciò che le percepisce?

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È una struttura, o non è strutturato?

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[Interl.] Non ha struttura.
[Mooji] Bene.

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E questo è significativo per te?
[Interl.] Sì, lo è.

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[Mooji] Bene, allora, dove inizia il problema, 
se ce n'è uno?

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Questa è una nuova capacità che hai sviluppato?

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Tutti possono farsi avanti,
non è specificatamente per te,

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è per tutti, tutti coloro che hanno 
la sensazione 'io sono',

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questa, però, viene subito attribuita al corpo:

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"Sono tale persona, sono tedesco, sono medico",

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viene incamerato il 'sono questo e quello', 
e ci si convince

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di essere qualcosa d'identificabile,

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ma da dove ti trovi,
pure questo è un costrutto, è visto,

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e l'io che le vede non è quelle cose,

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non puoi definirlo un medico o un'infermiera,
non puoi dire che è alto un metro e settanta,

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o cento settanta centimetri, 
non ha nessuna di queste caratteristiche.

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Cos'è, di per sé stesso?

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Cos'è, se di suo non si connette
a punti o elementi percepibili?

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[Interl.] non c'è nulla che lo disturbi.

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[Mooji] Va bene, ora reintroduciamo tutte le cose:


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ne viene disturbato?
[Interl.] No.

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Lo è solo se l'identità non viene individuata.

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[Mooji] Se non viene cosa?
[Interl.] Se non viene vista.

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[Mooji] Quindi è l'identità che porta tutti i guai?

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[Interl.] È l'identità a portare i guai, ma per chi?

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[Mooji] Ah, e lo chiedi a me? [Risate]

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Devi scoprirlo, e puoi farlo proprio qui.

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