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Dialogue: 0,0:00:00.00,0:00:01.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}L'évolution du ballet{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:00:01.11,0:00:03.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in collaboration with\N{\i1}l'École supérieure de ballet du Québec{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:00:03.06,0:00:05.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,presents One career, One story\NAn interview with Rhodnie Désir
Dialogue: 0,0:00:05.25,0:00:07.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"L'évolution du ballet",\Nan initiative led by young people,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:07.39,0:00:09.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not only invites Canada's youth\Nto rally around equity, reconciliation
Dialogue: 0,0:00:09.87,0:00:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and racism against Black persons\Nwithin the ballet world,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:12.00,0:00:13.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but also gives them the means\Nto achieve this goal.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:13.74,0:00:15.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The talk is presented\Nby two leaders of the project
Dialogue: 0,0:00:15.52,0:00:17.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Hello, my name is Victoria,\N- And I'm Héloïse
Dialogue: 0,0:00:17.64,0:00:22.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and welcome to One Career, One Story\NA discussion with Rhodnie Désir.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:22.96,0:00:27.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is a learning session\Nfor the Ballet Forward project,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:27.47,0:00:30.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is a project that brings together\Nabout 30 students
Dialogue: 0,0:00:30.83,0:00:34.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from Canada's five major\Nprofessional ballet schools.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:34.67,0:00:39.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is a project that allows us\Nto address issues of fairness,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:39.07,0:00:41.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reconciliation and racism
Dialogue: 0,0:00:41.44,0:00:43.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,directed towards Blacks\Nin the ballet world,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:43.100,0:00:49.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but more importantly,\Nto find ways to combat these issues.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:50.66,0:00:55.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our goal is to make the ballet world\Nas well as the artistic world
Dialogue: 0,0:00:55.50,0:00:58.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more inclusive and accessible\Nto the entire Canadian population.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:59.23,0:01:02.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So today, we have the chance\Nand the great honour
Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.51,0:01:04.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to welcome Rhodnie Désir.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:04.69,0:01:09.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mrs. Désir is a documentary choreographer,\Ndancer and chief creative officer
Dialogue: 0,0:01:09.76,0:01:12.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with RD Créations, her own company.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:13.00,0:01:14.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She has produced around 30 creations
Dialogue: 0,0:01:14.93,0:01:16.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and recently collaborated\Nwith Danse Danse.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:17.40,0:01:21.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some of her projects earned her\Ntwo Montreal dance awards :
Dialogue: 0,0:01:21.06,0:01:23.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Envol Award and the Dance Grand Prix.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:24.28,0:01:27.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rhodnie's choreographic signature\Nis linked to her roots in Haiti,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:27.71,0:01:31.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as well as other parts of the Caribbean,\NAfrica, Central Africa,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:31.71,0:01:33.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and sub-Saharan Africa.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:33.34,0:01:36.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can refer to her style\Nas "Afro-contemporary".
Dialogue: 0,0:01:36.50,0:01:38.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rhodnie is an amazing and inspiring woman
Dialogue: 0,0:01:38.71,0:01:41.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and most importantly,\Nshe's truly involved in the community,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:41.11,0:01:43.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which earned her\Ninternational recognition.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:44.66,0:01:47.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much, Rhodnie,\Nfor being with us today.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:47.70,0:01:49.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I will hand over to you,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:49.81,0:01:52.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so you can talk to us\Nabout your career and everything.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:52.73,0:01:55.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you, thank you very much\Nfor this introduction.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:55.47,0:01:59.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a real joy to be with you,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:59.72,0:02:04.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it takes me back\Nto the time when I was your age
Dialogue: 0,0:02:04.84,0:02:07.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and was dreaming of making\Na career in this field.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:08.84,0:02:10.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How would I summarize my career?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:10.76,0:02:14.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it's important\Nto mention that I grew up...,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:15.03,0:02:17.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have been dancing\Nsince I was three years old
Dialogue: 0,0:02:18.32,0:02:20.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and my initial training\Nwas classical ballet.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.07,0:02:24.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And later on, I wanted\Nto join the artistic world,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:24.82,0:02:27.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but of course, as I was coming\Nfrom a Haitian family,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:28.28,0:02:31.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the understanding\Nand explanation were like,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:31.12,0:02:34.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"We want to make sure that you can\Nget by in life and in the arts,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:34.34,0:02:36.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and maybe that's not the right path."
Dialogue: 0,0:02:36.71,0:02:38.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was the mindset back then.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:39.98,0:02:42.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I went looking for another training,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:42.17,0:02:45.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,while I was still pursuing\Nmy dance classes.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:45.68,0:02:49.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which means that I was pursuing\Ntwo diplomas at the same time,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:49.20,0:02:51.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one in communication and marketing,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:51.28,0:02:54.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and another one in dance,\Nwhich was classical dance back then.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:54.16,0:02:55.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, at the same time,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:55.24,0:02:59.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I directed my practice a little more\Ntowards Afro-contemporary dances,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:59.28,0:03:00.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as you have explained correctly.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:02.20,0:03:07.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would summarize my career\Nas a succession of milestones
Dialogue: 0,0:03:08.29,0:03:12.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where I would constantly\Nevaluate how far I've gone,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:12.38,0:03:14.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how I can be useful,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:14.69,0:03:19.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how my dancing can be useful,\Nand how art can be useful.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:20.01,0:03:22.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I like to say that\Nwhat I'm doing today,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:22.74,0:03:24.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is what is called\N“documentary choreography”
Dialogue: 0,0:03:24.79,0:03:26.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we can delve more into the subject.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:27.08,0:03:29.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is a methodology\Nthat I wanted to develop
Dialogue: 0,0:03:29.50,0:03:33.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to achieve my own ambition.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:34.18,0:03:36.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But maybe in five years,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:36.32,0:03:40.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dancing will help me\Nto think about architecture.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:41.22,0:03:44.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then maybe in ten years,\Nit will help me to consider
Dialogue: 0,0:03:44.41,0:03:48.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,developing a new cultural hub.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:48.89,0:03:53.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I see dance as an element of my career,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:53.13,0:03:56.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a tool to open new doors.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:56.84,0:04:01.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's how I would summarize\Nthe vision of my career.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:03.04,0:04:06.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You mentioned that you are\Na documentary choreographer.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:07.73,0:04:12.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not sure what it means,\Ncan you please further explain?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:12.95,0:04:15.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You also said that you are \Na Chief Creative Officer,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:15.35,0:04:16.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when we last spoke,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:16.79,0:04:19.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so these are the two things\NI would like to know.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:19.57,0:04:24.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Actually, one thing I can say\Nis that what I'm currently doing
Dialogue: 0,0:04:24.40,0:04:27.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is exactly what I was doing\Nwhen I was seven years old.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:27.40,0:04:29.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I was young,\NI used to live in Laval,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:29.92,0:04:34.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a community nearby, for people \Nwho live outside of Montreal,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:34.60,0:04:36.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not very far\Nfrom the city of Montreal.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:37.66,0:04:42.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I was simply curious\Nabout my neighbours, about humans,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:42.20,0:04:45.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I wanted to understand\Nhow humans work.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:45.14,0:04:47.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, some might say\Nthat it is a journalistic approach,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:47.82,0:04:50.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,others, that it is\Nan anthropological approach.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:51.22,0:04:54.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But in all of this, I just wanted\Nto understand how humans work.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:54.36,0:04:57.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then I realized that dancing\Nand asking questions,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:57.62,0:04:59.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you create, when you want to create,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:59.87,0:05:02.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,may sometimes lead you\Nto make some assumptions.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:04.19,0:05:06.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is documentary choreography?
Dialogue: 0,0:05:06.91,0:05:10.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I could summarize it by saying\Nthat it's done in four main stages.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:10.75,0:05:14.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Often, an idea will arise in me\Nwhen I see a social challenge.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:14.52,0:05:15.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For instance,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:16.20,0:05:20.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if I consider the current situation\Naround deportations
Dialogue: 0,0:05:20.42,0:05:22.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,happening in the United States,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:22.40,0:05:24.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's a disaster, it's chaos,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:24.88,0:05:28.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it raises a lot of questions\Nregarding injustice and unfairness
Dialogue: 0,0:05:28.60,0:05:29.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,throughout the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:29.99,0:05:31.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In relation to that,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:31.70,0:05:35.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can choose to either get angry\Nin front of my screen or to wonder,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:35.07,0:05:39.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How about interviewing people\Nwith different mindsets,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:39.24,0:05:41.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I can better understand\Nwhat's going on,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:41.67,0:05:44.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then maybe I could make use of my art
Dialogue: 0,0:05:48.12,0:05:50.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to offer a vision,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:51.27,0:05:53.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a hypothesis in relation\Nto what's going on.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:54.28,0:05:56.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I start by holding interviews.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:56.58,0:05:58.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have my question: What is bothering me?
Dialogue: 0,0:05:58.42,0:06:00.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What's making my stomach ache?
Dialogue: 0,0:06:00.30,0:06:04.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What makes me want to scream, to shout,\Nwhat is it that seems so unfair to me?
Dialogue: 0,0:06:04.62,0:06:07.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After that, I ask myself:\NWho could I meet?
Dialogue: 0,0:06:07.42,0:06:10.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then, I will go and meet\Nsome experts in a specific field.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:10.52,0:06:16.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On this topic, they may be sociologists,\Npoliticians, social workers,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:17.48,0:06:22.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,migrant-hosting organizations
Dialogue: 0,0:06:22.36,0:06:23.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or people with connections
Dialogue: 0,0:06:23.98,0:06:25.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the communities\Nwho are being deported.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:25.78,0:06:27.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They could be family members,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:27.26,0:06:30.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the very people who are being deported,\Nwho are being transferred,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:31.77,0:06:33.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they could be policemen, policewomen.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:33.66,0:06:38.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,From there on, my backpack\Nis full of information.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:39.50,0:06:42.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there are lots of tools in it.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:42.100,0:06:45.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then, as I reshuffle\Nthose tools in my bag,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:46.02,0:06:49.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can hand some of them over\Nto some musicians who might say,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:50.46,0:06:52.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"I can hear a rhythm there."
Dialogue: 0,0:06:53.04,0:06:58.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this rhythm might inspire me\Nto make some types of gestures,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:58.60,0:07:00.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gestures that are more circular
Dialogue: 0,0:07:00.30,0:07:03.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or that have more weight,\Nmore physicality, more poise,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:03.54,0:07:05.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,movements that are sharper,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:05.22,0:07:09.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because someone's telling me,\N"It's going so fast, I am confused."
Dialogue: 0,0:07:09.56,0:07:11.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, the image arising in me\Nfrom these words,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:11.96,0:07:15.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is one of sharpness, of physicality,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:15.24,0:07:17.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,weight, aerobatics,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:19.48,0:07:21.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,flowing down to the ground.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:21.38,0:07:24.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I start from my idea, \Nfrom the question,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:24.85,0:07:27.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I bring this to the witnesses,\Nto the specialists,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:27.90,0:07:29.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the specialists are the human element.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:29.73,0:07:34.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Their testimonies take me away\Ntowards other creators and designers.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:34.14,0:07:35.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I bring this to the interpreters,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:35.100,0:07:39.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and all along this line of process,\NI also compose songs.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:39.56,0:07:41.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I compose songs in an invented language.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:41.64,0:07:44.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I like to say that it's a language\Nthat I don't speak,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:44.63,0:07:46.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but that I speak secretly.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:46.74,0:07:48.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And after that,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:48.89,0:07:51.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I arrive at the work phase.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:52.74,0:07:57.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This work is a hypothesis\Nthat I offer to the citizens
Dialogue: 0,0:07:57.22,0:07:58.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who become my audience.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:59.31,0:08:02.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, documentary choreography allows us
Dialogue: 0,0:08:03.14,0:08:05.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to preserve the peoples' memories,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:05.82,0:08:12.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it allows us to excavate social issues\Nbased on orality.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:12.24,0:08:17.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It eventually takes me back to one\Nof my great loves which is orality.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:17.82,0:08:19.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Through the ages,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:19.81,0:08:22.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,oral tradition, which means \Nspeaking to each other,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:22.53,0:08:23.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,telling stories to each other,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:24.02,0:08:26.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"I tell you something, keep it secret...",
Dialogue: 0,0:08:26.63,0:08:28.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has transcended all ages.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:29.41,0:08:31.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it will beat AI\Nfor a very long time.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:32.20,0:08:35.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I rely on this basis,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:35.34,0:08:37.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then after that, I can develop my work
Dialogue: 0,0:08:37.44,0:08:41.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that's what I have been doing \Nthrough most of my works.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:41.32,0:08:45.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, that led me \Nto connect with specialists :
Dialogue: 0,0:08:45.52,0:08:48.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,experts in social sciences, \Nanthropology, history,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:48.88,0:08:51.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ethnomusicology, ethnology\Nand what have you,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:51.58,0:08:53.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to connect with environment specialists
Dialogue: 0,0:08:53.74,0:08:56.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in relation to climate change\Nas requested.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:56.70,0:09:00.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It got me to connect with specialists\Nlike, at the present time,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:00.40,0:09:03.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,experts in theology, thanatology,\Nand astrophysics.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:03.94,0:09:08.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, how will the body deploy this\Nthrough documentary choreography?
Dialogue: 0,0:09:09.20,0:09:10.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's about listening,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:10.99,0:09:15.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then trying to put your body\Nand knowledge at the service of the cause.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:16.07,0:09:17.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's all I can say.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:17.33,0:09:20.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's it, it was a lot of talk,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:20.03,0:09:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but basically, this is what\Ndocumentary choreography is about,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:23.00,0:09:24.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I hope it was clear.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:24.54,0:09:28.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've watched videos of a choregraphy\Nthat you have created about the heart.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:28.96,0:09:29.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's right.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:29.100,0:09:31.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I found it really beautiful,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:31.25,0:09:33.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I think that,\Nit's documentary choreography,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:33.60,0:09:37.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you really represented\Nnot the heart just like that,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:37.09,0:09:39.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the actual human heart in motion.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:39.98,0:09:42.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I saw some videos\Nand I found it really beautiful.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:42.88,0:09:44.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is really interesting,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:44.49,0:09:47.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually, what I find fascinating\Nwith documentary choreographies,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:47.37,0:09:49.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that truly, \NI could do this all my life.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:49.61,0:09:53.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's the one thing, I can tell myself,\Nwhen I'm 90 years old,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:53.40,0:09:55.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can still reflect on
Dialogue: 0,0:09:55.30,0:09:57.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how we could explain to people
Dialogue: 0,0:09:57.94,0:10:00.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the challenges experienced by young people
Dialogue: 0,0:10:00.12,0:10:01.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who cannot find their bearings,\Nfor example.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:01.97,0:10:07.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or by a five year old child\Nwho suffers from malnutrition
Dialogue: 0,0:10:08.06,0:10:09.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but who still has to go to school.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:09.81,0:10:11.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How can we tell\Nthe story of his resilience?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:12.61,0:10:14.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What's interesting\Nabout the story of the heart,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:14.95,0:10:16.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about {\i1}Symphonie de cœurs{\i0},
Dialogue: 0,0:10:16.12,0:10:20.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that I always thought \Nthat I'd never create a work about love,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:20.32,0:10:22.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I don't think\Nthat I have a lot to say,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:22.53,0:10:24.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the theme in itself\Ndoes not impress me that much.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:25.32,0:10:28.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not that I don't care\Nabout actual love,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:28.42,0:10:33.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but because I couldn't find any core\Nthat I wanted to address.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:33.81,0:10:36.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when I became interested\Nin cardiovascular diseases
Dialogue: 0,0:10:37.09,0:10:39.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and stories of resilience \Nthat people live through,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:40.07,0:10:42.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how, within the body,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:42.11,0:10:45.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the heart and the entire\Ncardiovascular system,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:45.39,0:10:49.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is in direct connection\Nwith the dancing process, works,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:49.74,0:10:53.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and going into operating rooms,\Nseeing open hearts,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:53.94,0:10:56.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the whole system as it moves,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:56.06,0:11:00.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and seeing how the surgical teams\Nin the operating rooms work,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:00.30,0:11:03.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which are actual choreographies\Nbeing performed before your eyes...
Dialogue: 0,0:11:04.16,0:11:07.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As I left these spaces,\NI had plenty of materials,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:07.47,0:11:10.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I could use,\Ntogether with the conductor,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:11.12,0:11:13.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to provide guidance to the orchestra.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:13.16,0:11:14.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would say things like,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:14.16,0:11:16.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Now they should play\Nwith more affirmation,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:16.30,0:11:18.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because when instruments fall\Nin the operating room,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:18.98,0:11:22.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I need us to create real chaos\Nin order to set the scene."
Dialogue: 0,0:11:22.52,0:11:25.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was able to recount\Neach step of the cardiac transplant,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:25.94,0:11:27.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what actually is emptiness like,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:27.89,0:11:30.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I was able to tell the musicians,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:30.37,0:11:33.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"You've been excelling at playing\Nthe same thing for maybe 40 years,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:33.58,0:11:36.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but now, I need you to act\Nas if you didn't know how to play anymore,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:36.66,0:11:39.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because that is\Nwhat a cardiac transplant is about.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:39.44,0:11:41.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A new heart is implanted in your body,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:41.94,0:11:43.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your body is on the blink,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:43.52,0:11:45.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and no matter how top-notch\Nyour technique may be,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:46.24,0:11:47.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you must instantly drop it all
Dialogue: 0,0:11:48.26,0:11:49.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and start again from scratch.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:49.80,0:11:51.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that was a challenge\Nalso for the musicians.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:51.78,0:11:53.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In other words, \Ndocumentary choreography,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:53.98,0:11:56.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to make a long story short,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:57.20,0:12:03.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is really a tool that allows us\Nto better challenge dance,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:03.72,0:12:06.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to better challenge the power of art,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:06.53,0:12:08.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to better challenge
Dialogue: 0,0:12:08.37,0:12:11.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where the human being stands\Ntoday in society.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:13.68,0:12:16.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's really fascinating.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:18.04,0:12:23.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's clear that you are very present
Dialogue: 0,0:12:24.88,0:12:28.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and involved in all social problems.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:29.84,0:12:34.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is there a personal reason or story
Dialogue: 0,0:12:34.30,0:12:36.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why you became truly interested
Dialogue: 0,0:12:36.78,0:12:39.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the problems we face\Nin our society today?
Dialogue: 0,0:12:39.35,0:12:42.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Was there something personal\Nthat really gave birth
Dialogue: 0,0:12:42.57,0:12:44.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to this urge to research and create?
Dialogue: 0,0:12:45.56,0:12:47.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, actually,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:47.11,0:12:52.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can mention that in 2014...
Dialogue: 0,0:12:52.100,0:12:55.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I started choreographic methodology\Nin 2015.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:55.88,0:12:59.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's when I officially started\Nthe documentary choreography methodology.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:00.56,0:13:03.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In 2013, I created a piece called {\i1}BOW'T{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:13:03.23,0:13:05.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which talks about migration\Nand deportation,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:06.18,0:13:09.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I wanted to establish a bridge\Nbetween these two themes.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:10.16,0:13:13.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when the time came\Nto tour this {\i1}BOW'T{\i0} piece,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:14.72,0:13:16.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,here in Montreal, in Quebec,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:17.44,0:13:20.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my agent and I came up\Nagainst systemic barriers.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:21.78,0:13:23.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How were they expressed?
Dialogue: 0,0:13:23.46,0:13:28.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mainly, we were told things like,\N"Rhodnie's dance is very traditional",
Dialogue: 0,0:13:28.24,0:13:32.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whereas I have never performed\Ntraditional dances in my created works.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:32.66,0:13:34.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I did take classes,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:34.02,0:13:36.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it has nothing to do\Nwith what I present.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:36.16,0:13:39.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I realized that there was really\Na big misunderstanding issue
Dialogue: 0,0:13:39.34,0:13:40.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and many hurdles were raised
Dialogue: 0,0:13:40.86,0:13:44.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,beyond a mere analysis\Nof the excellence of my work,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:44.02,0:13:45.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of whether it is excellent or not,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:45.62,0:13:48.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if the understanding\Nof what excellence can be
Dialogue: 0,0:13:48.09,0:13:52.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for a work expressed in a language\Nthat is not that of classical ballet
Dialogue: 0,0:13:52.70,0:13:55.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or eurocentric contemporary dance,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:55.90,0:13:58.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how contemporary dance is vulgarized,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:59.08,0:14:00.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I saw that there were barriers,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:00.64,0:14:02.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and a lot of education\Nwas yet to be done.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:03.02,0:14:05.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I wanted to leave the milieu,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:06.20,0:14:08.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as I couldn't picture myself\Nin it anymore.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:08.70,0:14:11.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But a beautiful life saver manifested
Dialogue: 0,0:14:12.00,0:14:13.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the shape of an idea,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:14.18,0:14:18.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which was to develop a project\Nwhereby I would demonstrate
Dialogue: 0,0:14:18.64,0:14:21.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to what extent African\Nand Afrodescendant cultures
Dialogue: 0,0:14:21.22,0:14:23.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are purely contemporary.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:23.90,0:14:28.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And even if they are ancestral,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:28.57,0:14:29.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are indeed contemporary
Dialogue: 0,0:14:29.94,0:14:33.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they directly combine\Nwith the people who are creating
Dialogue: 0,0:14:33.85,0:14:35.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and renewing it in the present moment.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:35.72,0:14:37.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I created {\i1}BOW'T TRAIL{\i0}.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:37.22,0:14:39.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}BOW'T TRAIL{\i0} is a remembrance journey\Nthrough the Americas,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:40.04,0:14:42.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which led me to seven territories\Nacross the Americas
Dialogue: 0,0:14:42.34,0:14:44.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where I re-created each time\Nthe same piece.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:44.68,0:14:47.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I say "re-create",\NI mean that there is the {\i1}BOW'T{\i0} work,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:47.88,0:14:49.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are like walls on the stage,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:49.93,0:14:52.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is my body, there is a musician,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:52.64,0:14:54.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there are three wooden boxes.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:54.57,0:14:57.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These three wooden boxes\Nfollowed me to Martinique, to Haiti,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:57.99,0:15:01.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to Brazil, to New Orleans,\Nto Mexico, to Halifax
Dialogue: 0,0:15:01.65,0:15:03.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to [Chojag] Montreal.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:04.32,0:15:06.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I took the same piece of work\Nand I challenged myself,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:06.84,0:15:10.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What if I gave myself 30 days\Nto re-create it from A to Z
Dialogue: 0,0:15:11.48,0:15:13.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with some local musicians?
Dialogue: 0,0:15:14.22,0:15:16.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As a matter of fact,\NI didn't know the musicians,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:16.86,0:15:18.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn't know if we would get along,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:18.71,0:15:21.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we didn't even speak the same language,\NI didn't speak Portuguese.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:21.53,0:15:24.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would mumble some pidgin words\Nto try to say,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:25.58,0:15:28.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Can we develop this?\NHere is my idea", while I was in Brazil.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:28.51,0:15:29.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they would reply, “Rhodnie,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:29.78,0:15:31.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we don't know what language\Nyou are speaking.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:31.56,0:15:34.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The show is in two weeks' time\Nand we don't understand,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:34.06,0:15:36.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but based on your gestures,\NI guess we understand each other."
Dialogue: 0,0:15:37.12,0:15:39.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So eventually, dance opened doors for me,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:39.82,0:15:41.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,helped me speak languages\Nthat I could not speak,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:41.98,0:15:43.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and create succesfully.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:43.34,0:15:44.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then after 30 days,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:44.53,0:15:48.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I presented my work\Nat a remembrance place.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:48.43,0:15:51.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the {\i1}BOW'T{\i0} work that was created\Nin each one of those countries
Dialogue: 0,0:15:51.65,0:15:54.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will never tour,\Nnot in my life, not in my death.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:54.97,0:15:57.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's already written in my will,\Nit will not tour.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:58.21,0:16:01.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The only work that can tour\Nis {\i1}BOW’T TRAIL Rétrospek{\i0},
Dialogue: 0,0:16:02.38,0:16:04.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a work where in fact,\Nthe territory is my body.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:05.14,0:16:06.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And as I was tracing back the memory
Dialogue: 0,0:16:06.62,0:16:09.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the history of Afrodescendant peoples\Nin the Americas,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:09.54,0:16:13.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I conducted interviews with specialists\Nin each one of the territories,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:14.02,0:16:17.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I realized that it's really trippy.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:18.53,0:16:19.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's hard to perform {\i1}BOW'T TRAIL{\i0},
Dialogue: 0,0:16:19.88,0:16:24.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but there is something beautiful\Nand crispy about meeting people,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:24.71,0:16:29.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going straight back to the studio,\Nand creating from these testimonies,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:29.42,0:16:31.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rather than burying yourself\Nin history books,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:31.69,0:16:32.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because, once again,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:32.72,0:16:37.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,history is poorly told in history books\Nabout African and Afrodescendant issues.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:37.13,0:16:38.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At least, their history\Nis being rewritten,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:38.94,0:16:40.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but unfortunately, it was poorly written.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:40.82,0:16:45.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What drives me to keep doing\Ndocumentary choreography today?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:45.21,0:16:48.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because I see that it is a tool\Nfor social change,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:48.88,0:16:50.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for a possible social change.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:50.57,0:16:53.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What drives me to create\Nin the face of injustices?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:54.97,0:16:59.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I grew up in a family\Nwhere issues around human rights
Dialogue: 0,0:17:01.10,0:17:03.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were discussed at the dining table.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:03.68,0:17:09.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My parents came to Quebec\Nduring the Duvalier Sr. era,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:09.48,0:17:12.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so for sure, the Haitian radio station,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:13.19,0:17:14.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,plus the Quebec radio station
Dialogue: 0,0:17:15.51,0:17:19.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the US TV channel were all on\Nat the same time at my place.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:20.34,0:17:22.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would hear about challenges\Noccurring in all kinds of places
Dialogue: 0,0:17:23.00,0:17:25.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and my parents would encourage us
Dialogue: 0,0:17:26.56,0:17:29.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to talk with confidence\Nabout those issues,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:29.78,0:17:32.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to try to solve them\Nwhile we were sitting at the table.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:32.18,0:17:34.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We could talk about the Colombia issue
Dialogue: 0,0:17:34.78,0:17:37.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we would go, "Ah, we don't agree,\Nwhat's going on there?"
Dialogue: 0,0:17:37.67,0:17:39.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we would debate the subject\Naround the table.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:39.62,0:17:45.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I was trained to reflect
Dialogue: 0,0:17:45.58,0:17:47.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about how, as a human being,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:48.32,0:17:51.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have a role in the decisions we make,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:52.26,0:17:57.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but also to be aware \Nof social inequalities,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:57.06,0:17:59.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether they may be
Dialogue: 0,0:18:00.78,0:18:03.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in terms of the blatant increase\Nin homelessness rates
Dialogue: 0,0:18:03.91,0:18:05.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and profiles of people
Dialogue: 0,0:18:05.32,0:18:10.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who usually were not identified\Nas being homeless people,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:10.38,0:18:13.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but who faced this inequity\Nfrom one day to the next
Dialogue: 0,0:18:13.68,0:18:15.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,due to the housing situation.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:15.94,0:18:17.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So for me,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:17.55,0:18:20.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I quickly spot situations of inequity
Dialogue: 0,0:18:20.57,0:18:23.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not only when they are talked about,\Nbut also when they're not.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:24.72,0:18:29.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I have always thought that art\Nis an extremely powerful weapon
Dialogue: 0,0:18:29.68,0:18:32.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that if I was to use this weapon,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:33.01,0:18:37.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it should be strong enough to capsize\Nsomething that is as big as it.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:38.36,0:18:40.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's my motto.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:40.75,0:18:44.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It doesn't mean that I won't be led\Nto create works
Dialogue: 0,0:18:46.12,0:18:47.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just for the fun of it,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:47.84,0:18:49.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I really want to... ,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:49.09,0:18:51.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There needs to be a cause\Nto which I respond.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:51.88,0:18:53.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is my art for me.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:54.56,0:18:57.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We would like to move on\Nto another topic
Dialogue: 0,0:18:57.22,0:18:58.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- if you don't mind,\N- Of course!
Dialogue: 0,0:18:58.74,0:19:02.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because actually, Ballet Forward\Nfocuses on anti-Black racism,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:02.67,0:19:05.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so our project goal is to open minds.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:05.94,0:19:08.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I wanted to know if ballet,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:08.86,0:19:11.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,since it was created in Europe\Na long time ago
Dialogue: 0,0:19:11.72,0:19:13.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on conservative and traditional grounds,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:13.88,0:19:18.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is an art that can discriminate\Nand exclude many communities?
Dialogue: 0,0:19:18.43,0:19:21.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if you are comfortable\Ntalking about the topic,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:21.96,0:19:25.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is racism something\Nthat you have already experienced
Dialogue: 0,0:19:25.03,0:19:28.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or maybe are still experiencing\Nin the ballet world,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:28.83,0:19:30.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as well as at an earlier stage?
Dialogue: 0,0:19:31.98,0:19:34.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think the basis...
Dialogue: 0,0:19:35.34,0:19:36.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are many layers in there.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:38.38,0:19:40.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's important to remember that
Dialogue: 0,0:19:40.24,0:19:46.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the body is one of the most \Nmagnificent instruments to rally
Dialogue: 0,0:19:46.64,0:19:47.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and at the same time,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:47.88,0:19:51.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's one of the most drastic and terrible\Ninstruments to discriminate us.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:53.26,0:19:56.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And dance being an environment,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:56.76,0:20:00.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where the body is the main tool,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:00.92,0:20:04.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unfortunately, whether in ballet\Nor in other forms,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:04.100,0:20:09.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the gaze and perception
Dialogue: 0,0:20:10.24,0:20:12.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,become a measuring tool.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:13.44,0:20:18.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is it that I perceive\Nof the capacity of a body
Dialogue: 0,0:20:18.08,0:20:19.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before it even moves?
Dialogue: 0,0:20:20.12,0:20:24.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do I feel that it fits into the categories
Dialogue: 0,0:20:24.30,0:20:28.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that my practice... defends
Dialogue: 0,0:20:28.77,0:20:31.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or that my practice states?
Dialogue: 0,0:20:31.81,0:20:33.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll give you an example.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:34.12,0:20:37.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I was 11 years old,\NI had gone through several auditions
Dialogue: 0,0:20:37.74,0:20:40.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I wanted to join\Na dance-study programme.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:42.27,0:20:47.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Back then, there used to be,\Nin your current school,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:48.52,0:20:52.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was told it had a different name\Nin older days, it was {\i1}École supérieure{\i0}...
Dialogue: 0,0:20:52.50,0:20:55.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Danse?\N- No, there was another name,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:55.41,0:20:58.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can't remember the exact name,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:59.41,0:21:05.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it seems to me that the title\Nincluded {\i1}École Supérieure de{\i0}...
Dialogue: 0,0:21:05.35,0:21:09.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there was a... anyway!
Dialogue: 0,0:21:09.92,0:21:12.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had applied for this school
Dialogue: 0,0:21:12.02,0:21:15.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like most of the girls who were coming out\Not Pierre-Laporte school,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:15.89,0:21:17.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that was mostly girls.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:17.24,0:21:19.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I had also applied\Nto join the Pierre-Laporte School.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:19.58,0:21:21.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when I received...
Dialogue: 0,0:21:21.42,0:21:25.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I very much wanted to join\Nthe first school I had applied for.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:25.42,0:21:27.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I received my rejection letter,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:27.79,0:21:32.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the letter did not merely state\Nthat I had been rejected,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:33.60,0:21:36.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It analyzed my body\Naccording to stereotypes
Dialogue: 0,0:21:36.45,0:21:38.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of what ballet should require.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:38.62,0:21:41.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think I did keep my letter, actually.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:43.20,0:21:45.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It dissected my muscles,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:45.90,0:21:51.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,saying that my leg muscles were too wide\Ncompared to the desired aesthetics,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:51.64,0:21:55.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that my curves did not meet\Nthe aesthetic standards.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:55.78,0:21:59.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was absolutely horrible.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:59.39,0:22:02.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am convinced that no one would ever send\Nthis kind of letter nowadays,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:02.50,0:22:04.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because times have evolved
Dialogue: 0,0:22:04.59,0:22:07.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there has been\Na lot of education since then.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:07.58,0:22:09.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But when I opened this letter,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:09.96,0:22:11.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had been waiting for the postman,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:11.71,0:22:15.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I saw the postman coming,\NI opened the letter, I was very excited.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:15.52,0:22:17.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then, it was like a lead coat,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:18.31,0:22:23.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was carving out a different body
Dialogue: 0,0:22:23.37,0:22:25.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I supposedly should have.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:25.26,0:22:30.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's like telling young people\Nwho want to become dancers,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:32.26,0:22:35.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Here, take this magazine,\Nlook at this body,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:35.34,0:22:36.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then make your body fit inside it.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:37.69,0:22:40.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if you can't fit, you're out."
Dialogue: 0,0:22:41.50,0:22:44.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And being in an environment\Nwhere excellence,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:44.88,0:22:47.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I would rather say, the stringency,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:48.08,0:22:50.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the relentlessness, which can be positive,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:51.21,0:22:55.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with which you want to achieve perfection,\Nto surpass yourself,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:55.54,0:22:59.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you are very young\Nand have already been trained in this,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:59.04,0:23:00.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you receive such a letter
Dialogue: 0,0:23:00.67,0:23:03.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,telling you to go and sculpt\Nyour body in a different way,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:04.70,0:23:07.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you don't fit in the cultural codes\Nthat we want in ballet,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:08.70,0:23:11.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's not even a matter of size\Nor what have you.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:11.09,0:23:14.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's really telling you \Nthat your body will never fit.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:15.52,0:23:18.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I remember crumbling down\Nat that moment.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:19.07,0:23:23.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Luckily, Laporte held auditions\Nnot long after,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:23.98,0:23:25.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I was selected.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:25.46,0:23:29.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I still remember sitting \Nduring my summer training,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:29.32,0:23:33.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the other people in my class,\Nand we were telling each other
Dialogue: 0,0:23:33.10,0:23:36.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the letters we had received\Nfrom that school.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:37.52,0:23:43.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I do consider that these were\Nacts of selective discrimination
Dialogue: 0,0:23:44.22,0:23:48.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,based on my cultural physiognomy
Dialogue: 0,0:23:48.78,0:23:54.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and not on my accomplishments\Nin terms of gestures or excellence,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:55.07,0:23:57.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or my training background\Nin classical ballet.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:57.98,0:24:00.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This was not a comparative measuring tool
Dialogue: 0,0:24:00.90,0:24:04.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,related to one's learning experience.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:05.00,0:24:07.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was based purely on aesthetics.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:07.92,0:24:09.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that, for me,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:10.56,0:24:12.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was one of the biggest obstacles I saw.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:12.95,0:24:14.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because I didn't see myself,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:14.69,0:24:18.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,while I was very often\Nthe only black person in my classes,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:19.85,0:24:23.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had not seen these discriminations\Nuntil that very moment.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:23.59,0:24:25.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And subsequently in secondary school,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:25.69,0:24:28.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was obvious in the attribution\Nof certain roles,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:29.62,0:24:32.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn't necessarily get the main roles,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:32.84,0:24:37.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because that possibility\Nwas ruled out fairly fast.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:39.68,0:24:42.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What was also upsetting\Nunfortunately in ballet,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:42.24,0:24:45.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that often, your body\Nwithin the corps de ballet,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:45.77,0:24:49.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they don't actually tell you why,\Nbut sometimes it can be sneaky,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:49.50,0:24:52.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they pick you up and say,\N"Rhodnie, go to the edge.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:52.80,0:24:53.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you see, go to the end."
Dialogue: 0,0:24:53.99,0:24:54.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you tell yourself,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:54.99,0:24:57.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay,,first work, I go to the end,\Nsecond work, I go to the end,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:57.57,0:24:59.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,third work, I go to the end.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:59.12,0:25:01.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For all works, I'm always at the end,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:01.27,0:25:04.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on all the pictures I look at,\NI was always put at the very end.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:05.88,0:25:08.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What am I disturbing\Nin the corps de ballet?
Dialogue: 0,0:25:10.04,0:25:13.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is it because I just unbalance the photo?
Dialogue: 0,0:25:15.05,0:25:19.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or is it because the role I play\Nshould always be on the right?
Dialogue: 0,0:25:19.57,0:25:21.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is something\Nthat can be easily seen,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:21.78,0:25:23.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even in other official pictures.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:25.25,0:25:29.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So for me, it was like {\i1}the{\i0} thing
Dialogue: 0,0:25:29.16,0:25:32.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that forced me to question,\Nespecially in ballet,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:32.85,0:25:35.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to question about opening.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:35.18,0:25:38.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had conversations too,\Non the opening in the body.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:38.24,0:25:40.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Ah, you know, it's correct actually,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:40.11,0:25:41.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but can you just bring it to that level?"
Dialogue: 0,0:25:41.75,0:25:45.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then I said to myself, but no,\NI can work my extension,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:45.07,0:25:46.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not that I can't.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:46.91,0:25:48.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So these are
Dialogue: 0,0:25:50.23,0:25:52.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,small seeds of information
Dialogue: 0,0:25:52.74,0:25:56.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which, while the piano plays,\Nwhen we hear "And one, and two",
Dialogue: 0,0:25:57.06,0:25:58.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then [we breathe to see], etc.,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:58.86,0:26:02.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that this information also finds its place
Dialogue: 0,0:26:02.12,0:26:06.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the same time\Nas a posture adjustment.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:06.83,0:26:09.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And what happens is - it's sneaky -
Dialogue: 0,0:26:10.10,0:26:13.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but unfortunately, it ends up sculpting
Dialogue: 0,0:26:13.60,0:26:16.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your own perception of your body,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:16.67,0:26:18.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you want to do a lot more
Dialogue: 0,0:26:18.86,0:26:21.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than the person standing\Nin front of you or behind you
Dialogue: 0,0:26:21.34,0:26:23.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the training bar, for example.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:25.18,0:26:27.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's because of those little things
Dialogue: 0,0:26:28.34,0:26:33.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that, like other people in my class\Nwho have gone through the same,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:33.66,0:26:35.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I always did more, more, more.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:35.60,0:26:37.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even when the classes were over,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:37.04,0:26:39.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would stay in class\Nto work more and more,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:39.35,0:26:42.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be able to not only reach the mark
Dialogue: 0,0:26:42.64,0:26:44.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which was given to everyone in the class,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:44.96,0:26:46.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but to also reach my own marks,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:47.34,0:26:49.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then do better\Nbecause I have to do better.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:50.08,0:26:54.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the result is\Nthat you never feel in your place.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:55.10,0:26:56.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I will always remember,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:56.78,0:27:00.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had a teacher one day,\NMarie-Rose Chama, to whom I still speak
Dialogue: 0,0:27:01.54,0:27:03.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who came to see me one day\Nthen who told me:
Dialogue: 0,0:27:03.47,0:27:06.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Rhodnie, I have to tell you\Nwhat you will likely experience."
Dialogue: 0,0:27:06.33,0:27:07.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this woman is of Lebanese origin,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:08.52,0:27:12.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then she took me aside and she said:\N"You will experience barriers,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:12.79,0:27:14.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you will experience racism \Nin this environment.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:15.30,0:27:16.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are different markets.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:16.80,0:27:19.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you will soon audition\Nfor some them,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:19.34,0:27:21.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I just want you\Nto get ready right away."
Dialogue: 0,0:27:21.92,0:27:24.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And back then,\NI could not understand this woman.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:24.93,0:27:27.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was thinking, \NWhy is she telling me those things?
Dialogue: 0,0:27:27.01,0:27:28.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, no, I'm fine.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:28.14,0:27:32.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But she was preparing me\Nfor what ballet presented me,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:33.45,0:27:36.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and for what I wasn't told directly,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:36.24,0:27:39.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but she had the courage\Nto tell me very clearly.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:40.32,0:27:44.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it was later that\NI chose other artistic forms
Dialogue: 0,0:27:44.60,0:27:47.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it was really what I wanted,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:48.56,0:27:51.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it is certain that being told\Nthings like:
Dialogue: 0,0:27:51.30,0:27:54.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"When you go up on your toes,\Nyou don't have a perfect line
Dialogue: 0,0:27:54.84,0:27:57.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we're aware\Nthat your body is different."
Dialogue: 0,0:27:57.98,0:28:00.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These are small adjustments,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:00.18,0:28:02.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but because we know\Nthat in ballet or dance,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:02.93,0:28:05.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are constant adjustments,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:05.14,0:28:10.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we always want to be\Nperfectly aligned with others,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:10.47,0:28:13.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be one with the corps\Nor even as a soloist,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:16.36,0:28:18.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it means that we're being set aside.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:19.08,0:28:23.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's all, it's a long story,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:23.29,0:28:25.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I can tell you many others like that.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:28.27,0:28:31.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After sharing all of this with us,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:31.90,0:28:34.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have a question and so do my peers:
Dialogue: 0,0:28:34.98,0:28:36.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for people who are,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:37.25,0:28:38.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know if it's the same situation,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:38.94,0:28:43.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but who share a feeling of rage or sadness
Dialogue: 0,0:28:43.59,0:28:47.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or feel that they are \Nnever going to find their place,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:47.29,0:28:48.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do you have any suggestions,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:50.00,0:28:55.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether it is some advice,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:55.70,0:28:58.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some advice like, I don't know,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:58.08,0:29:02.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it may be more personal,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:03.70,0:29:07.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or trying to understand\Nthe world of dance.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:07.41,0:29:10.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Could you share some advice?
Dialogue: 0,0:29:12.66,0:29:16.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that anger has value\Nin those moments.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:17.66,0:29:19.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And often, we want to,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:19.56,0:29:21.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we learn to be...
Dialogue: 0,0:29:22.06,0:29:25.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that what ballet taught me,\Namong other things,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:25.70,0:29:28.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as well as other things I learned\Nin other disciplines,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:28.06,0:29:31.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is to show restraint, politeness,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:32.46,0:29:34.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we don't talk too much,\Nwe don't show too much,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:34.53,0:29:36.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Don't show, don't show!"
Dialogue: 0,0:29:40.80,0:29:42.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Educating yourself is the best thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:44.47,0:29:45.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have to educate yourself.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:46.56,0:29:49.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Educate yourself,\Ntalk to people from different generations.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:49.58,0:29:52.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have been speaking with mentors,\Nand I still do.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:52.30,0:29:53.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I still have mentors
Dialogue: 0,0:29:54.19,0:29:56.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I will never stop having mentors.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:56.95,0:29:59.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And dare to knock on someone's door,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:59.96,0:30:02.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even if you don't know if this person\Nmay have had the same experience,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:02.88,0:30:06.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but ask them, "Hey, you,\Nsome 10 years ago,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:06.02,0:30:07.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,20 years ago or 30 years ago,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:07.69,0:30:10.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could you possibly have gone\Nthrough this kind of experience?
Dialogue: 0,0:30:10.20,0:30:11.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And could you tell me about it?"
Dialogue: 0,0:30:13.83,0:30:14.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Share,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:15.28,0:30:17.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,never doubt your instinct.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:17.11,0:30:19.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know it when there is discrimination,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:19.02,0:30:20.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there aren't million different ways.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:21.42,0:30:25.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And many times, you're told,\N"Oh, come on, you're exaggerating."
Dialogue: 0,0:30:27.66,0:30:29.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And what I learned,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:29.54,0:30:35.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that when your instinct tells you\Nthat it is discrimination,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:35.98,0:30:38.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can be sure that it's true\N95% of the time.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:38.84,0:30:41.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And maybe there was a 5%\Nwhere I said to myself,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:42.61,0:30:46.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, I admit that I was maybe\Na little hasty in the matter.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:47.56,0:30:52.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the foundation of discrimination,\Nparticularly when it's underhand,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:53.38,0:30:56.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,meaning they don't tell you to your face,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:56.95,0:30:58.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they don't tell you directly,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:58.81,0:31:02.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you realize it through actions.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:02.85,0:31:05.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It could be,\Nsuppose you're sitting at a table
Dialogue: 0,0:31:05.88,0:31:08.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or sitting somewhere,\Nand all of a sudden the place is full
Dialogue: 0,0:31:08.36,0:31:10.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so there's no more room for you\Nand you don't know where to sit.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:11.84,0:31:14.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It may be in the attribution\Nof certain roles.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:14.54,0:31:19.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What I learned\Nis to confront intelligently,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:20.50,0:31:24.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is not always easy,\Nand it's still not easy to do.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:24.42,0:31:26.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the conversation,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:29.73,0:31:31.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,once you have asserted yourself,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:31.54,0:31:34.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is often a formidable tool.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:35.40,0:31:39.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And to dare to question\Nwithout seeking an answer,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:39.86,0:31:42.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dare to question\Nthe opponent, I would say,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:42.45,0:31:46.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or dare to question the person\Nor the contexts.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:46.80,0:31:49.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when it is a collective situation,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:50.00,0:31:55.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because unfortunately,\Nthis happens too,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:56.66,0:31:59.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have to call a pause,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:59.63,0:32:01.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and say: “We need to talk.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:02.21,0:32:04.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You need to really listen
Dialogue: 0,0:32:04.53,0:32:07.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I know you won't be happy \Nwith what I'm going to say,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:08.15,0:32:10.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we'll have to examine the situation.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:10.42,0:32:12.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You probably won't like\Nthe mirror I'll show you,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:12.34,0:32:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you might not be happy with my mirror\Nnor even agree with it,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:16.34,0:32:18.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I don't expect an answer\Nfrom you today.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:18.50,0:32:21.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just ask you to understand
Dialogue: 0,0:32:21.70,0:32:23.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there's a mirror\Nwaiting for you to look into.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:23.82,0:32:26.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Pluck up your courage,\Nand hold your mirror to them.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:27.24,0:32:29.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then sometimes, it works for some people.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:29.41,0:32:33.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There really were wonderful stories
Dialogue: 0,0:32:33.73,0:32:37.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of reconciliation, of encounters,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:38.74,0:32:43.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of respect, of apologies,\Nand I do believe in that.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:44.92,0:32:47.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The human being,\Njust like other species,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:47.27,0:32:52.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is compelled to adapt and to evolve.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:53.50,0:32:55.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are not different from other species.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:55.86,0:32:58.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, there are people\Nwho are tough.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:58.24,0:33:04.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But as long as things\Nare done with respect,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:04.06,0:33:06.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and sometimes it's good to let time pass.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:06.12,0:33:08.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I for one, let go of certain things
Dialogue: 0,0:33:08.100,0:33:13.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I remained without saying a word\Nfor several years,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:13.37,0:33:15.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not because I didn't want to say a word,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:15.02,0:33:17.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not because I don't say\Na word in front of people
Dialogue: 0,0:33:17.20,0:33:18.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I don't do anything\Nin the background.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:19.47,0:33:22.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think that {\i1}BOW'T TRAIL{\i0}\Nis a perfect example of that.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:24.52,0:33:27.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When the 75 video\Nweb documentary came out
Dialogue: 0,0:33:27.94,0:33:30.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm told that there are still\Nmore videos which were not published yet,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:30.90,0:33:32.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn't find the time to release them,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:33.12,0:33:35.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when Radio-Canada announced,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:36.09,0:33:38.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,three days after I had given birth\Nto my little one,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:38.24,0:33:42.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they would take a web documentary,\Nthe web series and a medium-length film,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:42.90,0:33:46.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was holding my child,\Nand I said to my team:
Dialogue: 0,0:33:46.65,0:33:49.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Will you let me have a week off,\NI just gave birth."
Dialogue: 0,0:33:50.20,0:33:54.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I really was not expecting\Nto see three of my projects
Dialogue: 0,0:33:54.14,0:33:56.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being released on Radio Cannes\Nat the same time.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:56.70,0:34:01.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was really scared\Nof not being able to produce
Dialogue: 0,0:34:01.96,0:34:03.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everything I had harvested over the years,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:03.68,0:34:06.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because not a single broadcast\Ncompany would accept them.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:06.26,0:34:07.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We were told no,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:08.02,0:34:10.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it wouldn't interest people,\Nthen that was it.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:11.66,0:34:12.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:13.28,0:34:15.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I deeply believe in conversation,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:17.25,0:34:19.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but in its own time.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:21.06,0:34:23.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I say in its own time,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:24.38,0:34:26.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it means that not everyone\Nis ready to converse.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:26.57,0:34:28.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You should not force yourself to converse.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:28.98,0:34:31.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then even when there is\Na situation of discrimination,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:31.34,0:34:33.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you want to sit down and talk,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:34.04,0:34:36.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you're not ready, you're not ready.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:36.70,0:34:38.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have the right to not be ready.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:38.88,0:34:44.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Discriminations are scars on the soul.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:44.89,0:34:47.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They often last for a lifetime.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:47.69,0:34:49.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And at this depth,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:50.49,0:34:54.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if it is even slightly grasped by people,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:55.05,0:34:59.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this will allow them to understand\Nwhy there is no conversation,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:00.78,0:35:03.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why it can take five years, \Nsix years, seven years,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:04.58,0:35:07.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why there will be a distance
Dialogue: 0,0:35:08.08,0:35:10.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and why, when the time comes \Nthat we can talk to each other,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:10.82,0:35:12.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it will be the right time.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:13.29,0:35:18.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So meet, give yourself time, \Neducate yourself,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:19.05,0:35:23.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,read, watch documentaries,\Ntalk with people.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:28.32,0:35:32.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think this is going to be\Nour last questions,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:33.28,0:35:35.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'd like to talk again\Nabout your creations,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:36.06,0:35:38.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we thought about this before, \Nwe mentioned it,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:39.30,0:35:42.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how do you precisely approach racism
Dialogue: 0,0:35:42.96,0:35:45.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and other such stakes in your creations?
Dialogue: 0,0:35:45.05,0:35:47.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know you explained to us
Dialogue: 0,0:35:47.40,0:35:51.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how you handled \Nthe documentary choreography,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:51.49,0:35:55.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but when we're talking about racism,\Nhave you created one
Dialogue: 0,0:35:55.78,0:36:00.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and if so, what was your foundation?
Dialogue: 0,0:36:00.44,0:36:03.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Was it about your past or witnesses?
Dialogue: 0,0:36:06.60,0:36:08.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is interesting\Nin documentary choreography,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:08.89,0:36:10.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is it's never about me.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:10.63,0:36:12.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can start from an experience,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:12.98,0:36:16.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that like any person,\Nwe are biased on a subject
Dialogue: 0,0:36:17.97,0:36:19.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we have experienced it.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:20.28,0:36:23.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The beauty of it \Nis the {\i1}BOW'T TRAIL{\i0} journey
Dialogue: 0,0:36:23.88,0:36:27.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because not all my works speak\Nof racism and discrimination.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:28.44,0:36:30.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even {\i1}BOW'T TRAIL{\i0} is a journey,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:30.92,0:36:35.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yes, that talks about the slave trade,\Nabout discrimination,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:35.80,0:36:37.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's moving forward.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:37.64,0:36:40.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the 15 musicians with whom\NI have worked all over the world,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:40.76,0:36:43.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it highlights the strength of resilience,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:43.84,0:36:46.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the force of cultural re-creation.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:46.36,0:36:49.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's still quite fascinating that today,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:49.86,0:36:51.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,today, we are not capable,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:53.74,0:36:57.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we are not even capable in fact\Nto name all the rhythms
Dialogue: 0,0:36:57.58,0:37:00.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and all the musical movements of the world
Dialogue: 0,0:37:01.03,0:37:04.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which exist based on African, \NAfrodescendant rhythms,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:04.68,0:37:06.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because as we speak,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:06.05,0:37:08.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are plenty more being created,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:08.21,0:37:09.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we don't even know about.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:09.41,0:37:11.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I take an example, when I was in Brazil,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:12.28,0:37:14.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is what is called the {\i1}Passinho{\i0}.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:14.20,0:37:18.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The young people from the {\i1}favelas{\i0}\Ncame to tell me about this.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:18.76,0:37:20.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was in a museum called
Dialogue: 0,0:37:21.68,0:37:25.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}El Museo de los Pretos Novos{\i0},\Nin Rio de Janeiro.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:25.48,0:37:28.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They were sitting with researchers,\Nthen we talked,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:28.12,0:37:30.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I talked about my research.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:31.00,0:37:34.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was a silent lady\Nwho told me, "I am a lawyer,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:34.52,0:37:38.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am also a dancer, Carolina Peres,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:38.84,0:37:41.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was the only black lawyer\Nin my university,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:41.92,0:37:43.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then I launched a movement
Dialogue: 0,0:37:44.24,0:37:49.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which allows young people to mobilize\Nrather than using weapons."
Dialogue: 0,0:37:50.92,0:37:54.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then at the time, it was every...
Dialogue: 0,0:37:55.56,0:37:58.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it was every 30 minutes...
Dialogue: 0,0:37:58.41,0:38:00.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh my God, I should review the statistics.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:00.49,0:38:04.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Every 23 minutes,\Nthere is a young black man
Dialogue: 0,0:38:04.09,0:38:07.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who dies because\Nof systemic racism in Brazil,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:07.16,0:38:08.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that was in 2016.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:09.70,0:38:13.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this situation,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:13.07,0:38:14.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she told me, "I have young sons,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:14.73,0:38:17.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and one of them\Nmight just go any moment
Dialogue: 0,0:38:17.10,0:38:20.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because the police made\Na different decision about his life."
Dialogue: 0,0:38:21.82,0:38:23.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then when I arrived in Brazil,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:23.06,0:38:28.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there was a demonstration\Nwith Afrodescendant and Native mothers
Dialogue: 0,0:38:28.07,0:38:29.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,marching side by side
Dialogue: 0,0:38:30.05,0:38:32.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to fight against racial discrimination.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:34.21,0:38:36.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When we talk about racism in our works,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:36.85,0:38:39.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for me, it's more about giving a voice
Dialogue: 0,0:38:39.34,0:38:41.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to those women\Nwho were marching in the street,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:42.20,0:38:45.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to give a voice to these young people\Nwho told me about {\i1}Passinho{\i0},
Dialogue: 0,0:38:45.36,0:38:47.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who tell me that they dance\Nbarefoot in the {\i1}favela{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:38:47.97,0:38:49.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to say that they still exist.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:49.54,0:38:51.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then how I gave them\Na voice in the artwork,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:51.62,0:38:56.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was in tears\Nwhen they told me their stories
Dialogue: 0,0:38:56.38,0:38:59.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that despite me being solo,\NI told them, I can't dance a solo,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:59.90,0:39:02.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that would be me not listening to you.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:02.71,0:39:05.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which means that halfway through my work\Nwhen I go to open my message,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:05.60,0:39:07.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I always have a message,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:07.66,0:39:09.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I need you to leave the audience,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:09.77,0:39:13.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then you come on stage\Nand do what you want,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:13.18,0:39:16.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not about excellence, perfection,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:16.65,0:39:19.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's about the excellence of saying\Nto the people that you exist,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:19.30,0:39:21.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that you may not be there\Nfor much longer.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:22.06,0:39:24.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would like you to come\Nspeak out in my work,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:24.35,0:39:26.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and do what you want with it,\Nit belongs to you.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:27.31,0:39:30.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is how I speak.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:30.60,0:39:35.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is how I give voice\Nbecause I build bridges with realities.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:35.68,0:39:38.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then we talked \Nto these young people again,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:38.10,0:39:40.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they had tears in their eyes,\Nthey said to me : "Rhodnie,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:40.58,0:39:43.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you understood our reality,\Nyou understood what we are going through."
Dialogue: 0,0:39:43.60,0:39:47.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As for me, I am happy because\NI was able to show people that I exist,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:47.34,0:39:51.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we are not applauding a work\Nbecause it's beautiful or not.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:52.00,0:39:54.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These are matters of life and death.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:55.83,0:39:59.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in the end, it's also\Nwhat {\i1}BOW'T TRAIL{\i0} is about.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:59.09,0:40:01.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}BOW'T TRAIL{\i0} tells exactly that.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:01.100,0:40:04.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The manner how I trace these images,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:04.05,0:40:07.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is through gravity \Nthat resides in my body.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:07.52,0:40:09.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So when I dance {\i1}BOW'T TRAIL Retrospek{\i0},
Dialogue: 0,0:40:10.43,0:40:14.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would even challenge you to learn\Nan excerpt from {\i1}BOW'T TRAIL Rétrospek{\i0}.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:14.31,0:40:19.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You need to feel\Nthe 140 testimonies in your body
Dialogue: 0,0:40:19.42,0:40:20.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all speaking at the same time,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:20.96,0:40:21.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then one gesture,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:22.17,0:40:24.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's 140 voices at the same time.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:24.97,0:40:27.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's the weight\Nof {\i1}BOW'T TRAIL Rétrospek{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:40:27.50,0:40:29.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's why I love it so much.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:29.54,0:40:30.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:33.16,0:40:34.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,addressing inequity issues
Dialogue: 0,0:40:35.56,0:40:37.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,means agreeing to put your body
Dialogue: 0,0:40:39.45,0:40:41.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a burning oven.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:42.35,0:40:44.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like that, yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:45.34,0:40:46.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are far from aesthetics.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:46.83,0:40:48.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We don't take away the aesthetics.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:48.76,0:40:50.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:53.46,0:40:57.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dancing goes beyond just saying,\NI want to achieve that.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:58.22,0:41:02.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That you carry inside you\Nsuch a strong message
Dialogue: 0,0:41:03.26,0:41:06.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it is absolutely necessary\Nthat you pass it on to someone else.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:06.06,0:41:08.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's what interests me in my works.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:08.74,0:41:09.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's it, I'll stop there.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:11.51,0:41:13.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- That's super inspiring, thank you.\N- Rhodnie, thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:13.82,0:41:15.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you so much.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:17.08,0:41:20.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One last question\Nto conclude the discussion,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:20.38,0:41:22.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what are you currently working on?
Dialogue: 0,0:41:24.28,0:41:26.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Any plans, things like that?
Dialogue: 0,0:41:26.88,0:41:29.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, so right now,\Nthis is really my beautiful baby.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:29.94,0:41:32.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So right now, Im finally updating
Dialogue: 0,0:41:32.02,0:41:34.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something I've been wanting\Nto develop for 10 years
Dialogue: 0,0:41:34.20,0:41:36.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is a documentary \Nchoreographic laboratory
Dialogue: 0,0:41:36.94,0:41:38.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which means that RD Créations
Dialogue: 0,0:41:38.76,0:41:42.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,having developed expertise today\Nin documentary choreography,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:42.79,0:41:45.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we are now launching two laboratories\Nat the same time,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:45.43,0:41:48.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it means that we are developing\Nour works in prototype form,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:48.90,0:41:51.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a bit like engineers\Nwho do research and development.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:52.06,0:41:53.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We do prototyping of works
Dialogue: 0,0:41:53.85,0:41:56.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to see the full potential around the work
Dialogue: 0,0:41:56.09,0:41:59.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,both at the partner, costumes, \Ndance and lighting level.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:59.90,0:42:02.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, we just entered\Ntwo creation prototypes
Dialogue: 0,0:42:02.48,0:42:03.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for our two subjects.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:03.78,0:42:05.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The first one is called SCÒ.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:06.54,0:42:10.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SCÒ addresses the issue of scoliosis.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:11.32,0:42:12.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have scoliosis.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:12.42,0:42:14.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, while we are talking about\Nresistance and inequity,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:14.64,0:42:17.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had scoliosis and I almost had surgery.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:18.36,0:42:21.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I kept dancing and I still do.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:22.18,0:42:24.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, SCÒ addresses the issue
Dialogue: 0,0:42:24.36,0:42:27.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of all these psychological\Nand physiological twists
Dialogue: 0,0:42:27.54,0:42:32.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that young teenage girls\Nhave to carry until adulthood.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:33.45,0:42:34.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I say young girl because
Dialogue: 0,0:42:34.93,0:42:38.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's mainly 90% if not more\Nof young girls who suffer from it.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:38.77,0:42:42.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's going to become\Na digital installation
Dialogue: 0,0:42:42.87,0:42:46.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with performance\Nand musical performance.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:47.88,0:42:50.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then in fact, another work\Nis also coming soon,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:50.76,0:42:54.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm starting right now\Nmy research regarding KÒSA.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:54.92,0:42:58.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,KÒSA in Creole means this body
Dialogue: 0,0:42:58.52,0:43:02.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we address the issue of death\Ntold from the children
Dialogue: 0,0:43:02.90,0:43:08.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and from specialists in astrophysics,\Nin theology and dermatology.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:09.51,0:43:10.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wow!
Dialogue: 0,0:43:15.32,0:43:19.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just to compare, but do you have\Nplaces where you present them
Dialogue: 0,0:43:19.32,0:43:23.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or it will be on the internet,\Ndo you still know...?
Dialogue: 0,0:43:24.58,0:43:30.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact, the beauty of \Na documentary choreographic laboratory,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:30.66,0:43:33.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is we give ourselves the freedom \Nnot to know how it will turn out,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:33.70,0:43:34.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that's the fun of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:34.92,0:43:39.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For example, SCÒ, I was convinced\Nit was going be a group work
Dialogue: 0,0:43:40.32,0:43:44.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with maybe four, five performers,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:44.36,0:43:46.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then we were going to have\Nscenographic objects on stage,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:46.70,0:43:48.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then the musicians we work with,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:49.42,0:43:50.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Aukan group in Toronto,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:50.86,0:43:53.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we say OK,\Nit's going to be a work on stage.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:54.09,0:43:59.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And after 36 hours of creation\Nin the laboratory with a scenographer,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:59.21,0:44:02.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,videographer, lighting coordinator,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:02.01,0:44:06.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the testimonies I collected\Nfrom Saint-Justine, chiropractors,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:06.75,0:44:07.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a lot of people.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:09.02,0:44:11.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And with the University of Montreal\Nas a partner too.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:12.62,0:44:17.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the end, I realized it wasn't\Na dance show on a regular stage,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:18.52,0:44:21.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the message had to be channelled
Dialogue: 0,0:44:21.98,0:44:27.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in an audio, digital, projection\Nand performance installation,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:28.32,0:44:29.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from time to time,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:29.99,0:44:32.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which means that our new market\Nbecomes museums.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:33.35,0:44:36.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, RD Créations\Nhas already set up an exhibition,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:37.11,0:44:38.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Conversation exhibition,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:38.82,0:44:41.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we are going to do\Nour second iteration
Dialogue: 0,0:44:41.40,0:44:43.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in digital installation,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:43.85,0:44:45.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then it will be the SCÒ project.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:45.22,0:44:47.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact, we are right on the dot\Nright now,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:47.58,0:44:48.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which means that the dance,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:49.22,0:44:51.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then the documentary choreography\Ntakes us to something else.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:52.42,0:44:54.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in holding this freedom,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:54.18,0:44:57.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if we had sealed it right away\Nwith a dance diffuser,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:57.94,0:45:02.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we would be in a bad position to say\Nthat in the end, it wasn't a dance show.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:02.42,0:45:04.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The dance show is coming \Ninto the performance
Dialogue: 0,0:45:04.89,0:45:07.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the digital installation\Nwhich should be in a museum.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:07.56,0:45:10.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whereas now, we are really capable\Nof having an even clearer vision,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:10.75,0:45:12.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a more measured proposal,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:12.72,0:45:14.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then an ability to rally partners
Dialogue: 0,0:45:14.74,0:45:17.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which will be all the more oriented\Ntowards what we want to do.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:17.78,0:45:21.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then for KÒSA,\NI imagine it is my next symphony
Dialogue: 0,0:45:21.45,0:45:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as it is still a work\Nwhich is likely to be quite big
Dialogue: 0,0:45:26.00,0:45:28.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because of the three major subjects\Nthat we are approaching.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:28.84,0:45:31.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's a piece scheduled for 2028, 2029.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:31.86,0:45:34.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, we work on three years,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:34.52,0:45:38.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our company, our creations rarely drop,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:38.26,0:45:41.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the earliest is two and a half years,\Ntwo years and some of work,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:42.36,0:45:45.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the documentary choreography\Nrequires three years of work.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:45.50,0:45:48.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You really, really need\Ngood documentation,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:48.60,0:45:50.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,relevant archiving,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:50.54,0:45:52.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rallied partners,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:52.33,0:45:55.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a choreography where the signature,\Nis all the more refined.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:56.06,0:46:00.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then let's not forget polyrhythm\Nfor RD Créations and language,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:00.06,0:46:02.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,documentary choreography\Nwhich is really important.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:02.79,0:46:07.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If we want body language\Nto be really strong,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:07.50,0:46:11.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,musical language must also be written
Dialogue: 0,0:46:11.49,0:46:14.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the same time than body language.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:14.51,0:46:17.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is another body\Nthat we could talk about.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:17.17,0:46:20.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is the link\Nbody/music, body/instrument.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:22.03,0:46:23.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:23.07,0:46:27.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the role of the musician as an accompanist
Dialogue: 0,0:46:27.92,0:46:29.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,outside the classic
Dialogue: 0,0:46:29.27,0:46:32.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because there's a whole universe\Nin polyrhythm.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:33.92,0:46:36.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Super inspiring, really inspiring.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:36.67,0:46:40.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much for your time
Dialogue: 0,0:46:41.50,0:46:44.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,allowing us to discuss and chat like that,\Nit's really interesting.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:44.51,0:46:47.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm happy to hear that,\Nbut I have a question for you.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:47.37,0:46:48.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:48.37,0:46:53.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would like to know today,\Nif you look at the dance world,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:53.37,0:46:56.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have your dreams, but what are they?
Dialogue: 0,0:47:02.26,0:47:05.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that touching people
Dialogue: 0,0:47:05.84,0:47:08.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I dream of being on stage,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:08.67,0:47:12.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but more than impacting myself,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:12.14,0:47:14.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want to have an impact\Non those around me.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:14.41,0:47:18.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I think that all that\Nyou explained to us today,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:18.40,0:47:21.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what you shared with us is inspiring
Dialogue: 0,0:47:21.29,0:47:25.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it confirms that it is possible
Dialogue: 0,0:47:26.01,0:47:29.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to touch hundreds and thousands of people
Dialogue: 0,0:47:30.54,0:47:32.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and yes, that's it.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:32.78,0:47:34.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For me, it's a bit the same thing,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:34.59,0:47:38.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it's about living\Nespecially through dance
Dialogue: 0,0:47:38.92,0:47:43.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and see how it can affect everyone,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:43.28,0:47:47.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then I would say people\Nare more open nowadays,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:47.40,0:47:51.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the fact that we are open\Nto all communities,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:51.47,0:47:54.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that everyone will have\Nthe opportunity to dance,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:54.75,0:47:56.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that's my dream.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:57.26,0:47:59.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's that there are no more barriers.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:00.24,0:48:02.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wish that for you collectively, yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:03.11,0:48:04.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you!
Dialogue: 0,0:48:04.42,0:48:07.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, to make the biggest dreams come true,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:08.80,0:48:11.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the wildest dreams\Nthat you already have in mind
Dialogue: 0,0:48:11.57,0:48:13.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and especially those\Nthat you don't know yet.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:16.21,0:48:18.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:19.55,0:48:25.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Follow those young Canadians and join them\Nin their efforts to change the world