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Dialogue: 0,0:00:00.12,0:00:03.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm here with Sara van Oordt \Nfrom Christians for Israel.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:03.44,0:00:08.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Money from Christians for Israel \Nhelps to fund illegal settlements.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:08.92,0:00:13.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This money may even buy weapons, \Nas we discovered together with Investico.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:17.08,0:00:18.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:18.44,0:00:20.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No. \N-Yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:23.96,0:00:25.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here we go.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:25.56,0:00:29.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can help people get pistol licenses.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:29.28,0:00:36.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He went there once and they tied him up \Nand destroyed about 400 trees...
Dialogue: 0,0:00:36.64,0:00:38.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,while he was watching.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:38.16,0:00:44.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Christian Zionism sees Jews \Nonly as instrumental.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:44.32,0:00:48.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there's something anti-Semitic in that.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:48.28,0:00:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you transfer this amount,\Nmy advice is to use a neutral description.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:54.12,0:00:57.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Support for Judea and Samaria"\Nor something like that.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:57.88,0:00:59.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, that isn't neutral.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:59.72,0:01:03.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is that wine from the territories sold here?\N-Yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:03.68,0:01:07.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why?\N-Because it's very good wine.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:11.28,0:01:13.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is the land of Jamal Faris...
Dialogue: 0,0:01:14.00,0:01:18.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a Palestinian olive farmer \Nin Deir Istiya on the West Bank.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:18.92,0:01:23.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The land has been owned by his family \Nsince the 1950s...
Dialogue: 0,0:01:23.52,0:01:25.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but in the early 1990s...
Dialogue: 0,0:01:25.48,0:01:31.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a few white trailers appear on the edge \Nof Jamal's land on Palestinian territory.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:31.48,0:01:37.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These are houses of Israeli settlers,\Nand they call their settlement Revava.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:37.80,0:01:42.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Behind me in Nijkerk here\Nis Christians for Israel's headquarters...
Dialogue: 0,0:01:42.40,0:01:45.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a Zionist Christian foundation.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:45.20,0:01:50.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In this broadcast, we'll explain the link\Nbetween Jamal's land and this building.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:51.08,0:01:58.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jamal can't live and work normally \Non the West Bank due to the Revava settlers.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:58.60,0:02:03.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The foundation in this Nijkerk building\Nis one of the facilitators for this.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:03.80,0:02:07.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because we discovered with Investico \Nand the Nederlands Dagblad newspaper...
Dialogue: 0,0:02:07.56,0:02:12.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that Dutch Christian Zionist organizations\Ncontribute financially...
Dialogue: 0,0:02:12.16,0:02:16.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the expansion of illegal settlements \Non the West Bank.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:17.08,0:02:20.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this money can be used \Nto bypass European sanctions...
Dialogue: 0,0:02:20.96,0:02:23.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or purchase weapons for settlers.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:23.84,0:02:25.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So pay attention.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:30.16,0:02:34.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This story begins with Jamal, \Na Palestinian olive farmer.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:34.64,0:02:37.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As we mentioned, Jamal has a problem.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:37.92,0:02:44.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My name is Jamal Faris. \NI'm a Palestinian from the West Bank...
Dialogue: 0,0:02:44.36,0:02:47.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...from a small town called Deir Istiya.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:47.20,0:02:49.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was a teacher.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:51.36,0:02:56.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And a farmer.\NI have an olive tree field.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:57.88,0:03:00.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we cannot take care of it right now.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:01.04,0:03:05.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But why can't Jamal take care \Nof his olive trees anymore?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:05.36,0:03:08.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here's a brief history lesson.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:08.16,0:03:12.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After World War II, in 1948, \Nthe state of Israel is declared.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:12.76,0:03:15.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Many Palestinians in this area...
Dialogue: 0,0:03:15.28,0:03:20.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are displaced and settle in Gaza\Nand on the West Bank...
Dialogue: 0,0:03:20.24,0:03:23.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the area between Israel \Nand the Jordan River.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:23.36,0:03:28.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The 1949 armistice created a border \Nbetween Israel and the Palestinian territories.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:29.08,0:03:34.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This border, known as the Green Line, \Nis still observed by the United Nations.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:34.76,0:03:42.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But during the Six-Day War in 1967, \NIsrael captured the West Bank.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:42.88,0:03:46.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Israel has occupied the area to this day.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:46.96,0:03:51.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Palestinian Authority \Nhas limited self-rule in Zones A and B...
Dialogue: 0,0:03:51.40,0:03:53.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as agreed in the Oslo Accords.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:53.64,0:03:57.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The vast majority, zone C, \Nis governed by Israel.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:57.92,0:04:01.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, this doesn't mean \NIsrael can take the land.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:02.08,0:04:07.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All Israeli settlements in occupied areas \Nare illegal under international law.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:08.04,0:04:12.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In July 2024, the International \NCourt of Justice reaffirmed this.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:13.08,0:04:18.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It ruled that the settlements Israel built\Nin the West Bank should not exist...
Dialogue: 0,0:04:18.28,0:04:23.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that Israel must withdraw its settlers \Nfrom Palestinian territories.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:23.16,0:04:27.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But Israeli settlers have been expanding \Ntheir authority for decades...
Dialogue: 0,0:04:28.04,0:04:31.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by building more settlements \Non Palestinian land.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:31.76,0:04:37.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Increasingly, settlers do this with the help \Nof the Israeli army, using a lot of violence.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:37.84,0:04:41.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like Revava, right next to \NJamal's olive grove.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:41.76,0:04:44.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This field was actually planted...
Dialogue: 0,0:04:45.00,0:04:53.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by my father in 1956 and \Nbefore the Israeli occupation in 1967.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:54.60,0:05:00.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In 1991 the settlement started\Nvery small at the beginning...
Dialogue: 0,0:05:00.20,0:05:05.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and started expanding, \Nand now it's a big settlement.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:05.56,0:05:12.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It took all the land over there and \Nthey have their wall at the border of my land.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:14.64,0:05:18.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We had a problem in the past twenty years\Ntaking care of that land...
Dialogue: 0,0:05:18.96,0:05:21.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,during my father's time.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:21.16,0:05:28.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He went there once and they tied him up \Nand they destroyed about 400 trees...
Dialogue: 0,0:05:28.56,0:05:30.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,while he was watching...
Dialogue: 0,0:05:30.60,0:05:37.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they let the sewage come through \Nour land and killed about 200 trees.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:37.68,0:05:42.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So now we don't have too much left, \Nbut we still have problems getting there...
Dialogue: 0,0:05:43.00,0:05:45.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to harvest our trees.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:45.44,0:05:49.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can't go by myself \Nbecause I might get beaten or shot.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:49.92,0:05:53.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Shortly after the ceasefire in Gaza \Nlast January...
Dialogue: 0,0:05:53.60,0:05:58.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Israeli army launched\Na wide-scale offensive in the West Bank.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:58.20,0:06:02.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Palestinians are driven away, \Nattacked, and murdered.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:02.36,0:06:06.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Settler violence has also increased recently.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:06.28,0:06:09.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Over a hundred incidents have been\Nrecorded since early last year.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:10.08,0:06:13.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is my land.\NI want to take care of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:13.40,0:06:16.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't want to give it up.\NI want to...
Dialogue: 0,0:06:16.96,0:06:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fix it...
Dialogue: 0,0:06:21.12,0:06:22.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or I will lose it.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:22.88,0:06:26.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So with Investico and Nederlands Dagblad \Nwe investigated...
Dialogue: 0,0:06:26.48,0:06:31.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Dutch Christian Zionist organisations\Ncontributing financially...
Dialogue: 0,0:06:31.16,0:06:35.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to making Jamal's life a misery,\Namong other things.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:35.52,0:06:37.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm Janneke Stegeman.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:37.20,0:06:41.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm a theologian\Nwith a PhD on the Hebrew Bible...
Dialogue: 0,0:06:41.48,0:06:45.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the relationship between identity \Nand conflict in Hebrew texts...
Dialogue: 0,0:06:45.92,0:06:52.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such as the use of the Hebrew Bible \Nin today's conflicts in Israel and Palestine.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:52.44,0:06:56.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I teach at VU University.\N-I'm Ari Dubnov, a historian.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:56.72,0:07:00.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was, born and raised \Nand educated in Israel.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:00.84,0:07:07.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I teach Israel studies and Middle Eastern \Nstudies at George Washington University.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:07.16,0:07:11.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Zionism is a movement which states\Nthat Jews...
Dialogue: 0,0:07:12.04,0:07:17.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,belong in Israel,\Nseen as their historic homeland.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:17.76,0:07:24.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Zionism started as Christian Zionism, \Nspecifically among Protestants in Europe.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:24.28,0:07:28.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This was mainly in the Dutch Republic\Nand also in England.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:29.04,0:07:31.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even before the Zionist movement...
Dialogue: 0,0:07:31.64,0:07:35.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before Herzl and people \Ncalling themselves Zionists...
Dialogue: 0,0:07:35.68,0:07:40.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there were already Christian Zionists, \Nso to speak, saying:
Dialogue: 0,0:07:40.64,0:07:43.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"We envision the return of the Jews \Nto the Holy Land...
Dialogue: 0,0:07:43.84,0:07:47.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then it will bring \Nthe second coming of Christ."
Dialogue: 0,0:07:47.96,0:07:50.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Christians see Jesus as the Messiah...
Dialogue: 0,0:07:51.04,0:07:55.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who ascended to Heaven and \Nwill return on Judgment Day.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:55.72,0:08:00.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This second coming of Christ \Ninvolves various convictions.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:00.88,0:08:04.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Including the return of all Jews \Nto the Holy Land...
Dialogue: 0,0:08:04.68,0:08:08.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and converting to Christianity.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:08.84,0:08:14.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These texts are largely set \Nin Biblical Judea and Samaria...
Dialogue: 0,0:08:14.84,0:08:18.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with Biblical places like East Jerusalem\Nand Bethlehem.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:18.92,0:08:25.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So in the Biblical idea that Jews \Nmust return to the Holy Land...
Dialogue: 0,0:08:25.16,0:08:28.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this area is a vital part of this land.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:33.08,0:08:37.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Shortly, we'll call a controversial Israeli settler \Nin the West Bank.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:37.64,0:08:39.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We'll discuss donating money...
Dialogue: 0,0:08:39.64,0:08:44.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as Dutch donations play a significant part\Nin this story. Attention.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:52.24,0:08:56.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Violating human rights and \Ndestroying Palestinian lives...
Dialogue: 0,0:08:56.96,0:09:01.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has a very simple practical side:\Nit requires money.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:01.92,0:09:08.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We'll show you how this money flows\Nand the crucial role of the Netherlands.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:09.80,0:09:13.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How important are the Dutch \Nfor the Christian Friends of Israel?
Dialogue: 0,0:09:14.00,0:09:15.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wonderful people, just wonderful.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:16.08,0:09:21.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We love them deeply and the relationship \Nis so strong. Friendship.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:21.40,0:09:25.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You heard Sondra Baras speaking \Nto our colleagues from Investico...
Dialogue: 0,0:09:25.24,0:09:28.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when they visited the West Bank\Nlast January.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:28.92,0:09:32.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Baras is the founder and \Nformer director of the CFO-IC...
Dialogue: 0,0:09:33.08,0:09:36.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Christian Friends of Israeli Communities.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:38.00,0:09:42.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This CFO-IC is an international \NChristian Zionist organization...
Dialogue: 0,0:09:42.72,0:09:47.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that coordinates projects \Nin the settlements on the West Bank.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:47.32,0:09:51.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The money CFO-IC receives \Nfrom donors around the world...
Dialogue: 0,0:09:51.24,0:09:55.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,flows through Baras \Nto these settlements on the West Bank.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:55.76,0:10:00.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These funds are used for community centers \Nand clinics...
Dialogue: 0,0:10:00.28,0:10:03.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but also on drones and \Nbulletproof vests for settlers.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:04.04,0:10:06.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Israel receives funds \Nfrom around the world...
Dialogue: 0,0:10:06.76,0:10:12.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but in financial aid to the settler movement,\Nthe Netherlands plays a key part.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:12.28,0:10:16.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,While the US is probably the primary \Nfinancial contributor, says Baras...
Dialogue: 0,0:10:16.60,0:10:20.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the relationship with the Netherlands\Nis also very close.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:20.16,0:10:25.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our partnership with Holland is vital.\NWe work closely with Christians for Israel.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:25.48,0:10:31.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Christians for Israel, or CFI,\Nhas a turnover of 13 million euros.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:31.24,0:10:34.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's the largest Christian Zionist foundation \Nin the Netherlands...
Dialogue: 0,0:10:34.52,0:10:39.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and supports projects on the West Bank,\Naccording to research by Investico.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:39.84,0:10:44.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CFI, based in Nijkerk,\Nwas founded in the 1980s...
Dialogue: 0,0:10:44.64,0:10:48.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and mainly finds support within \Nthe orthodox-Protestant churches.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:48.96,0:10:50.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CFI's mission is...
Dialogue: 0,0:10:50.60,0:10:55.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,making Christians aware of the Jewish \Npeople's role in God's world plan.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:56.04,0:10:59.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The foundation doesn't see the West Bank \Nas occupied territory...
Dialogue: 0,0:11:00.04,0:11:05.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but as the heart of Biblical Israel \Nassigned to the Jewish people.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:05.52,0:11:10.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CFI therefore does not use the term \NWest Bank, but Judea and Samaria.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:11.08,0:11:16.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CFI's influence extends to the highest circles \Nin American politics.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:16.44,0:11:18.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Listen to Leon Meijer...
Dialogue: 0,0:11:18.16,0:11:24.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,former board member of the Christian Union \NParty and current CFI international chair.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:24.24,0:11:30.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mr. Meijer, you were at Mar-a-Lago \Nnot too long ago. Why were you there?
Dialogue: 0,0:11:30.44,0:11:35.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was a Jerusalem Prayer Breakfast,\Na gathering for Jerusalem's peace.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:35.56,0:11:40.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the organization \Nhad discussed this with Trump.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:40.40,0:11:43.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Can we hold this prayer meeting \Nat your estate?"
Dialogue: 0,0:11:43.92,0:11:48.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He replied, "Jerusalem is close to my heart.\NI've moved the American embassy there...
Dialogue: 0,0:11:48.28,0:11:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I invite you to have the prayer meeting \Non the estate."
Dialogue: 0,0:11:52.12,0:11:54.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A remarkable choice, I think. \N-Yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:54.68,0:11:59.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CFI has its own newspaper, talk show, \Nand retail company...
Dialogue: 0,0:11:59.60,0:12:04.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,called Israel Products Center,\Noffering goods from the...
Dialogue: 0,0:12:04.92,0:12:09.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as they call it, "Promised Land",\Nincluding the occupied territories.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:09.28,0:12:14.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's also a business club \Nwith over 300 entrepreneurs.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:14.96,0:12:18.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CFI also organizes trips to Israel\Nfor volunteers and...
Dialogue: 0,0:12:19.08,0:12:22.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in line with the orthodox-Protestant \NZionist body of thought...
Dialogue: 0,0:12:22.56,0:12:27.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,helps Jewish people \Nfrom around the world with "aliyah":
Dialogue: 0,0:12:27.40,0:12:31.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The return to the promised land.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:31.52,0:12:34.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're going to build up a new life in Israel.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:34.72,0:12:39.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It makes me think of Isaiah 43,\Nwhere the Lord says:
Dialogue: 0,0:12:39.36,0:12:43.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Bring my sons and bring my daughters home\Nfrom far away."
Dialogue: 0,0:12:44.00,0:12:48.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These young Jewish children\Nbetween 13 and 17 years...
Dialogue: 0,0:12:48.80,0:12:55.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are the young new sons and daughters that \Nwe may bring back to the land of Israel.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:55.60,0:12:57.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You could say...
Dialogue: 0,0:12:57.88,0:13:01.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that one of the problems \Nwith Christian Zionism...
Dialogue: 0,0:13:02.04,0:13:05.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that they see Jews\Nonly instrumentally.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:05.68,0:13:09.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think there's \Nsomething anti-Semitic in that.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:09.32,0:13:13.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's not interest in Jews \Nas Jews see themselves...
Dialogue: 0,0:13:13.48,0:13:17.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but only in Jews \Nas they fit into the Christian story.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:17.96,0:13:23.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a problematic vision \Nas Jews are just seen as means to an end.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:23.52,0:13:28.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are actually the small chess pieces.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:28.28,0:13:33.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're the soldiers you sacrifice\Non your way to a bigger vision.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:33.64,0:13:40.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With all those donations, CFI realizes \Nprojects in what they call Judea and Samaria.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:40.24,0:13:43.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In other words, on Palestinian territory.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:43.92,0:13:47.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is in conflict with Dutch policy.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:47.60,0:13:51.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Dutch government \Nsupports a two-state solution...
Dialogue: 0,0:13:51.20,0:13:55.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,viewing Israeli settlements\Nin occupied Palestinian territories...
Dialogue: 0,0:13:55.16,0:13:59.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as illegal and peace-threatening.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:59.92,0:14:04.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But in CFI's monthly newspaper, \Nanother reality seems to be presented.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:05.00,0:14:07.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For there, we read this:
Dialogue: 0,0:14:08.32,0:14:12.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In December 2024, CFI contributed to \Nthe construction of a retirement home...
Dialogue: 0,0:14:12.56,0:14:14.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for stationed Israeli soldiers.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:14.88,0:14:18.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In 2022, to a scouting club in East Talpiot...
Dialogue: 0,0:14:18.72,0:14:22.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in that same year, the Israel \NProducts Center in the Netherlands...
Dialogue: 0,0:14:22.24,0:14:26.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,donated their store profits \Nto a winemaker in Kiryat Arba...
Dialogue: 0,0:14:26.60,0:14:28.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a settlement near Hebron.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:28.84,0:14:34.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jewish people brought to Israel by \Nthe First Home in the Homeland program...
Dialogue: 0,0:14:34.24,0:14:38.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are also being settled \Nby CFI on the West Bank...
Dialogue: 0,0:14:38.48,0:14:42.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as we read in blogs \Non the Christians for Israel website...
Dialogue: 0,0:14:42.36,0:14:44.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is CFI's international branch.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:45.04,0:14:48.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some CFI funds \Nbound for the West Bank...
Dialogue: 0,0:14:48.56,0:14:54.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,go to the Christian Friends of Israeli \NCommunities we mentioned before.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:54.32,0:14:57.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this brings us back to Jamal.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:57.64,0:15:03.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For, in 2023, CFOIC director Sondra Baras\Nthanks CFI Holland...
Dialogue: 0,0:15:03.88,0:15:09.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for a major contribution to the security \Nsystem of a new residential area in Revava.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:09.88,0:15:14.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The existence of Reviva and its expansion\Nhas direct consequences...
Dialogue: 0,0:15:14.28,0:15:20.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the Palestinians who own and cultivate \Nthe adjoining land, including Jamal.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:20.48,0:15:24.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Part of his land next to\Nthe illegal settlement of Revava's wall...
Dialogue: 0,0:15:24.84,0:15:27.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is too dangerous for him to enter.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:27.72,0:15:31.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even reaching his own land \Nhas been made impossible for him.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:31.96,0:15:38.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I used to go from this town to my field \Nstraightforward in the car...
Dialogue: 0,0:15:38.28,0:15:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but when they built the settlement, it's \Nan obstacle between my town and my field.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:44.12,0:15:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's in the middle, actually.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:47.12,0:15:53.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have to go through it and now we're not\Nallowed to go through the settlement.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:53.20,0:15:54.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can't get close to it.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:55.08,0:16:00.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Please go up.\NIt's not by distance 40 meters up.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:00.60,0:16:05.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What if you just keep two soldiers \Nto protect us here and just finish it?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:05.60,0:16:10.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What's the deal? Why?\NIt's no big issue.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:11.64,0:16:14.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're peaceful people, \Njust here to pick olives...
Dialogue: 0,0:16:14.80,0:16:17.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we have trouble \Neven using roads.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:17.32,0:16:21.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So now we have to make a big circle\Nall the way to the west...
Dialogue: 0,0:16:21.52,0:16:24.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,taking bad roads, not active streets.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:24.48,0:16:28.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's just roads they use for animals.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:30.28,0:16:34.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it takes two hours for me \Nto get to my field.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:35.00,0:16:39.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If it was free like before \NI could drive my car...
Dialogue: 0,0:16:39.96,0:16:44.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and just within a few minutes, \Nif I have that big field...
Dialogue: 0,0:16:44.76,0:16:49.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we could be making good money out of it \Nfrom that oil.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:51.24,0:16:53.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But now we lost that chance.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:53.48,0:16:56.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Those 800 trees that we've had...
Dialogue: 0,0:16:56.76,0:17:00.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they could make maybe \Nthree, four tons of oil...
Dialogue: 0,0:17:00.60,0:17:04.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that was ten, fifteen,\Ntwenty thousand dollars.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:07.12,0:17:11.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now we don't have that chance. \NHow can we live without money?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:11.36,0:17:17.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Attention. We read something else\Nin the Christians for Israel newspaper.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:17.32,0:17:22.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After October 7th, 2023, Christians for Israel \Ncreates an emergency fund.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:23.00,0:17:29.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Part of the donations collected by CFI\Nthrough this fund goes to Or Ami...
Dialogue: 0,0:17:29.20,0:17:35.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a foundation set up by settler activist and \Nlawyer Nati Rom. Remember that name.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:35.52,0:17:40.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nati Rom regularly visits the Netherlands\Nat the invitation of CFI...
Dialogue: 0,0:17:40.48,0:17:45.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and even set up a foundation here:\NThe Israel Heartland Foundation.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:45.88,0:17:48.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is Nati Rom. Attention.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:48.64,0:17:51.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Shalom friends from Jabalia.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:51.36,0:17:56.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Shabbat shalom to our friends worldwide.\NWith God's help, we'll win.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:57.36,0:18:01.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We will do it together with the rabbi\Nover there.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:01.96,0:18:04.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We do whatever we can \Nto wreak redemption here in Jabalia.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:05.08,0:18:10.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As written in here: Shabbat shalom \Nfrom the heartland of Israel.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:10.68,0:18:16.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rom supports demonstrators who\Nattacked aid convoys at the Gaza border...
Dialogue: 0,0:18:16.28,0:18:22.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and defends IDF soldiers standing trial for \Nsystematic rape of Palestinian prisoners.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:22.16,0:18:27.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,His third specialty is applying for \Nand defending weapon permits.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:27.28,0:18:31.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When not aiding settlers, \Nhe serves as an Israeli army reservist.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:31.92,0:18:35.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rom is seen in videos \Nwith night vision drones...
Dialogue: 0,0:18:35.20,0:18:38.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a new watchtower for an army base\Non the West Bank...
Dialogue: 0,0:18:38.60,0:18:42.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and a group of heavily armed men \Nhe seems to be training.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:42.88,0:18:48.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For drones and watchtower purchases,\NDutch donors are thanked on the blog.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:48.92,0:18:53.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But where Rom got the weapons from, \Nis unclear.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:53.20,0:18:56.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Arjen Domburg, chairman \Nof the Israel Heartland Foundation...
Dialogue: 0,0:18:56.40,0:18:58.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Nati Rom's right-hand man\Nin the Netherlands...
Dialogue: 0,0:18:58.56,0:19:02.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doesn't seem to know \Nwhere all donations go.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:02.16,0:19:07.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Days after the shooting men video, \NDomburg writes this.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:08.00,0:19:12.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Equipment has been bought \Nfor the villages' security.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:12.96,0:19:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What, where and how isn't exactly clear, \Nbut a lot of equipment has been bought."
Dialogue: 0,0:19:19.12,0:19:25.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course we had many questions, \Nbut Rom won't answer Investico.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:25.40,0:19:31.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, we decided together with our colleagues \Nfrom Investico to take a different approach.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:31.96,0:19:37.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We created the character Albert Dijkstra,\Nplayed by Allard from Investico.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:37.28,0:19:41.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Dijkstra, from Drachtsercompagnie,\Nhas inherited money from his mother...
Dialogue: 0,0:19:41.76,0:19:47.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and wants to donate 15,000 to 20,000 euros\Nto Rom's Dutch foundation.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:48.08,0:19:53.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We tell this story to the Israel Heartland \NFoundation chairman, Arjen Domburg.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:53.24,0:19:56.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As Rom's Dutch right-hand man...
Dialogue: 0,0:19:56.36,0:20:02.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...he can tell us more about the \Nexact destination of the Dutch money.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:02.44,0:20:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we might also learn more...
Dialogue: 0,0:20:07.12,0:20:12.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about Christians for Israel's \Nfinancial flows.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:12.24,0:20:14.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The conversation with Domburg \Nstarts like this.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:14.92,0:20:17.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Good morning, this is Albert Dijkstra.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:17.72,0:20:21.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Good morning. \N-Hi. Thanks for calling.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:21.56,0:20:28.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can imagine it's difficult \Nfor Mr. Rom over there and also for you...
Dialogue: 0,0:20:29.00,0:20:35.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to get funding for the "heavier" stuff.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:35.20,0:20:36.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So as far as I am concerned...
Dialogue: 0,0:20:36.84,0:20:42.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if it's about equipment or weapons...
Dialogue: 0,0:20:42.28,0:20:46.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...I'm fine with all of it.\NI'll help if needed.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:47.20,0:20:52.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, we don't actually do\Nthose kinds of things.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:53.80,0:20:58.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, weapons aren't just sold \Non the nearest street corner in Israel.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:58.88,0:21:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Another thing.\NYou mentioned those newsletters...
Dialogue: 0,0:21:02.12,0:21:08.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with a summary of what you've been doing \Nover the past few months, the past year.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:08.76,0:21:10.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are they on your website?
Dialogue: 0,0:21:12.16,0:21:15.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, because sometimes \Nthe newsletters contain stuff...
Dialogue: 0,0:21:15.44,0:21:18.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we'd rather not publish.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:18.92,0:21:22.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right, I see.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:22.24,0:21:26.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Domburg isn't showing all his cards yet,\Nbut we also ask him:
Dialogue: 0,0:21:26.76,0:21:31.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Our donation will be substantial. \NCan we talk to Nati Rom himself?"
Dialogue: 0,0:21:31.96,0:21:32.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It works.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:32.88,0:21:38.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it's best if I contact Nati...
Dialogue: 0,0:21:39.76,0:21:44.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to discuss this matter.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:44.80,0:21:50.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then I'll send you an email.\NIs that a good idea?
Dialogue: 0,0:21:50.28,0:21:52.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, that is a good idea.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:53.08,0:21:58.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is where it gets interesting. \NDomburg puts us in contact with Nati Rom.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:59.04,0:22:05.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nati Rom is a key figure in a network \Nof controversial West Bank settlers.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:05.48,0:22:10.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,His Or Ami foundation collaborates with \Nthe Dutch Israel Heartland Foundation...
Dialogue: 0,0:22:11.00,0:22:15.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but also receives money from \NChristians for Israel's emergency fund.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:15.40,0:22:19.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We agree to call him two days later.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:25.52,0:22:29.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hi. Good afternoon. \N-Good afternoon.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:29.76,0:22:34.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First, Rom tells us that he uses \Nfood vouchers for sanctioned settlers...
Dialogue: 0,0:22:34.48,0:22:36.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for other purposes too.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:36.64,0:22:40.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Between you and me, \Nwe don't know each other yet...
Dialogue: 0,0:22:40.20,0:22:44.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but this is the reason I use the food cards, \Nbecause it's not only food...
Dialogue: 0,0:22:44.16,0:22:49.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's the card that they can use \Nin one hundred main stores in Israel.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:49.60,0:22:54.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They can also buy a tool, working tool.\NThere's a lot of options.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:54.96,0:22:58.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, so they can use the card \Nhow they want...
Dialogue: 0,0:22:58.76,0:23:05.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even if they have trouble with the\Nwhat's it called the sanctions or...
Dialogue: 0,0:23:05.60,0:23:08.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly, yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:08.64,0:23:16.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you work with any of the people that were \Nattacked by the EU or the US, I would...
Dialogue: 0,0:23:16.44,0:23:24.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am. I represent them in court and also we \Nare supporting them in their places for sure.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:24.52,0:23:29.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then it's on to our donation.\NHow would Rom like to receive that money?
Dialogue: 0,0:23:29.44,0:23:33.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Through the Israel Heartland Foundation\Nor is cash preferred?
Dialogue: 0,0:23:33.76,0:23:36.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Cash is always the best. \NFor example...
Dialogue: 0,0:23:37.08,0:23:41.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...there's people \Nwho are stuck with the sanction.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:42.88,0:23:45.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For them, cash is the best.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:46.64,0:23:49.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we do for them the food card.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:49.40,0:23:53.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But also the foundation is okay.\NYes, we have our ways.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:53.36,0:23:56.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, so cash is the best.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:56.20,0:24:01.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But what is Nati Rom actually going to do \Nwith our cash? Here's the answer.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:01.44,0:24:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can help people \Nget licenses for pistols.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:05.12,0:24:08.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can also subsidize the price.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:09.04,0:24:15.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To subsidize for people who want to buy, \Nto subsidize the price, this can be.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:15.40,0:24:22.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How much will it cost to subsidize also \Na pistol or a firearm? Does that, is that...?
Dialogue: 0,0:24:22.16,0:24:23.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It depends on us.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:23.40,0:24:29.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's say a firearm here will cost \Nsomething like 3000 or 4000. It depends.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:29.88,0:24:33.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so it depends on us also \Nhow much...
Dialogue: 0,0:24:33.88,0:24:37.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think you don't need to\Nsubsidize everything.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:37.32,0:24:41.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just half or three quarters \Nor something like that.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:41.56,0:24:43.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Perfect.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:43.24,0:24:49.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then if I send the money...\Nif I do it via Heartland here...
Dialogue: 0,0:24:49.68,0:24:52.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that will get to you...?
Dialogue: 0,0:24:52.60,0:24:53.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah. \N-Okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:53.68,0:24:57.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Arjen is an amazing person...
Dialogue: 0,0:24:57.72,0:25:03.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with giving not only his time,\Nbut everything for this. It's amazing.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:04.08,0:25:05.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:05.48,0:25:07.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right. With the money we donate to him...
Dialogue: 0,0:25:08.08,0:25:11.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nati Rom can finance weapons\Nfor settlers.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:12.08,0:25:15.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And although Arjen Domburg \Npreviously denied this...
Dialogue: 0,0:25:15.72,0:25:21.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rom says this can be done through Israel \NHeartland Foundation in the Netherlands.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:21.56,0:25:25.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then Nati Rom suddenly starts talking \Nabout Roger van Oordt...
Dialogue: 0,0:25:25.48,0:25:28.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the former director of Christians for Israel.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:29.00,0:25:33.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Roger van Oordt \Nis a very good friend of mine.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:33.64,0:25:36.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He came to my place like twenty times.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:36.80,0:25:39.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're very connected, \NI love him very much.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:39.96,0:25:44.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's a great person, \Nbut for years...
Dialogue: 0,0:25:44.52,0:25:49.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,his organization rather give millions \Nto projects like...
Dialogue: 0,0:25:49.44,0:25:55.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,building the windmill in Jerusalem\Nand flowers...
Dialogue: 0,0:25:55.48,0:26:00.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they didn't want to be connected\Nbecause they were afraid.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:00.28,0:26:06.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when he was helping me\Nit was in a small amount and secretly.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:06.48,0:26:11.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is one of the things I'm saying. \NFrom time to time he used to help us...
Dialogue: 0,0:26:11.76,0:26:15.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but secretly. \NHe has his way how to do it.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:15.92,0:26:18.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But for what I do, for what I want, \NI don't do flowers.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:19.00,0:26:22.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, Nati Rom doesn't do flowers.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:23.04,0:26:26.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And CFI found donating as a foundation\Ndifficult...
Dialogue: 0,0:26:26.60,0:26:31.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but luckily the director of CFI himself\Ncame by with cash.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:31.60,0:26:33.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But why is that such a smart idea?
Dialogue: 0,0:26:34.04,0:26:38.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If I could help you \Ndo most of it off the books...
Dialogue: 0,0:26:38.40,0:26:42.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can spend it more easily \Non subsidising pistols and stuff...
Dialogue: 0,0:26:43.08,0:26:46.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because otherwise \Nthat would be difficult, or what?
Dialogue: 0,0:26:46.16,0:26:50.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's always easier in the other way.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:50.32,0:26:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, okay. \N-God bless you. Thank you so much.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:53.12,0:26:55.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Good luck, please stay safe, okay?
Dialogue: 0,0:26:58.48,0:27:02.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, my God.\NFunding pistols is possible.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:02.40,0:27:04.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How about \Ncalling Arjen Domburg now?
Dialogue: 0,0:27:04.72,0:27:10.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So in summary, Nati Rom wants to take our \Nmoney and can buy weapons with it too.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:11.04,0:27:15.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He prefers to get money off the books, \Nlike Roger van Oordt did it...
Dialogue: 0,0:27:15.52,0:27:18.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the Heartland Foundation works as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:18.80,0:27:23.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We decide to call chairman Arjen Domburg\Nagain with this good news.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:23.40,0:27:27.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is he still on board \Nwith this info in his pocket?
Dialogue: 0,0:27:28.32,0:27:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Arjen Domburg speaking.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:30.12,0:27:32.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hi, good afternoon.\N-Good afternoon.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:32.68,0:27:37.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hi. I just called Nati.\N-Oh, nice.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:37.92,0:27:43.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was really a great conversation.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:43.32,0:27:46.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm really impressed.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:46.88,0:27:52.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nati and I decided together\Nit would be best...
Dialogue: 0,0:27:52.20,0:27:59.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...if the money could be spent on cameras\Nfor those families or communities.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:01.04,0:28:04.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He also talked about \Nfirearm and quad subsidies.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:04.64,0:28:11.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nati said the easiest way is to just transfer it\Nto the Heartland Foundation.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:12.00,0:28:14.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We could do it early next week.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:14.88,0:28:21.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you can forward it right away and \Nensure it goes to those three things?
Dialogue: 0,0:28:21.44,0:28:25.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll send the whole amount all at once.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:25.36,0:28:31.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll forward it to Nati's foundation.\NThen he can access it directly.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:31.76,0:28:38.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you transfer this sum, my advice\Nwould be to use a neutral description.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:38.92,0:28:45.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like "support for Judea and Samaria" \Nor something.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:46.00,0:28:48.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wouldn't mention that.\N-No?
Dialogue: 0,0:28:48.40,0:28:50.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, that's not neutral.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:51.84,0:28:58.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would just say "support Nati Rom"\Nor "N. Rom" or "support..."
Dialogue: 0,0:28:58.40,0:29:03.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or maybe just in Dutch, \Nto let sleeping dogs lie.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:03.20,0:29:10.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Last time you mentioned 15,000 to 20,000 \Neuros. I wouldn't take that out in cash...
Dialogue: 0,0:29:10.16,0:29:11.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and get on a plane.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:12.04,0:29:16.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right. What kind of expenses \Nare best in cash?
Dialogue: 0,0:29:16.36,0:29:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The kind of things we just talked about.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:22.12,0:29:26.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Those are the...\NHow can I put it?
Dialogue: 0,0:29:27.04,0:29:31.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The more difficult cases \Nwhere no one wants to leave any traces.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:31.84,0:29:34.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The roads, the weapons,\Nthat kind of thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:34.60,0:29:36.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think so.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:36.44,0:29:42.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Christians of Israel, \Nwith the Van Oord family...
Dialogue: 0,0:29:42.48,0:29:47.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they have much more cash available\Nbecause of their collection money.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:48.32,0:29:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, I see.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:52.04,0:29:56.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like Nati... I remember a few years ago.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:57.80,0:30:02.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think was the first time I met him.\NHe gave three talks for Christians from Israel.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:02.96,0:30:08.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There were three collections,\Nand in one church, 500 people attended.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:08.44,0:30:11.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then the cash adds up quickly.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:11.88,0:30:15.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then you get to take the stationery.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:15.80,0:30:19.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know we're \Na Public Benefit Organization?
Dialogue: 0,0:30:19.92,0:30:22.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So tax-wise that's also interesting.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:23.08,0:30:26.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So what can we conclude from this?
Dialogue: 0,0:30:26.48,0:30:31.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,1: Nati Rom can help settlers \Nin illegal settlements to get weapons...
Dialogue: 0,0:30:31.24,0:30:36.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and ensure they're untraceable.\NThis can be done with Dutch money.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:36.72,0:30:39.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,2: Donations from the Heartland Foundation...
Dialogue: 0,0:30:39.16,0:30:43.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are sometimes brought to Israel in cash\Nfor "difficult" purchases.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:43.92,0:30:48.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,3: Roger van Oordt, a member \Nof the CFI family for 45 years...
Dialogue: 0,0:30:49.08,0:30:51.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is good friends with Nati Rom...
Dialogue: 0,0:30:51.44,0:30:57.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and has occasionally made secret and \Noff-the-books donations when visiting Rom.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:57.16,0:31:02.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,4: CFI held multiple collections at gatherings\Nwhere Nati Rom spoke in the Netherlands...
Dialogue: 0,0:31:03.00,0:31:05.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and gave him the cash.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:05.96,0:31:10.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,5: With the food cards \Nfor which Nati Rom collected money...
Dialogue: 0,0:31:10.72,0:31:16.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sanctioned settlers could not only buy food\Nbut also purchase other items.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:17.08,0:31:22.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In this way, EU sanctions on those settlers \Ncould be bypassed.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:23.08,0:31:28.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ivo Amar, a sanction law specialist, \Nsays this:
Dialogue: 0,0:31:28.76,0:31:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Economic resources means\Nessentially everything that has value.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:33.12,0:31:39.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It can be a food voucher or a gift card, \Neven a car.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:39.40,0:31:45.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Basically anything movable, immovable,\Neven intangible...
Dialogue: 0,0:31:46.00,0:31:50.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that represents any value, \Nso even a service...
Dialogue: 0,0:31:50.88,0:31:56.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...may not be provided \Nto such a settler.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:57.80,0:32:01.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That would be a criminal offense.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:01.56,0:32:03.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm also a Christian...
Dialogue: 0,0:32:03.52,0:32:10.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so let's say it's a Christian value \Nto treat others as you wish to be treated.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:10.36,0:32:16.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it's harsh that Palestinians \Nare totally absent from this story.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:16.96,0:32:22.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,While all our eyes are set on Gaza \Nfor obvious reasons...
Dialogue: 0,0:32:22.40,0:32:25.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the other hand, it allows\Nthe settlers in the West Bank...
Dialogue: 0,0:32:26.04,0:32:28.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what they call Judea and Samaria...
Dialogue: 0,0:32:28.52,0:32:34.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to do what is practically an ethnic cleansing \Nthat no one is paying attention to.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:34.16,0:32:38.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the idea is that God \Npromised the land to the Jews...
Dialogue: 0,0:32:38.48,0:32:41.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the Palestinians, \Nas original inhabitants...
Dialogue: 0,0:32:41.68,0:32:47.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have to go and live in another\NArab country.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:47.60,0:32:53.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It shows that Christian Zionism \Nis always connected with colonialism.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:53.16,0:32:58.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're building up more houses, \Nand somebody is helping them, I guess...
Dialogue: 0,0:32:58.80,0:33:01.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sending them money to expand.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:01.72,0:33:06.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wish these settlements \Nwill be dismantled and leave.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:07.80,0:33:11.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because as long as they are there,\Nthey will keep bothering us...
Dialogue: 0,0:33:12.08,0:33:14.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they will keep expanding.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:14.64,0:33:20.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They should stop, because we are \Nhumans too. We are natives here.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:20.80,0:33:26.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You are encouraging this town,\Nthis settlement, to expand...
Dialogue: 0,0:33:26.64,0:33:33.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and take our land. It's our land \Nfor thousands of years, that field.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:36.28,0:33:39.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,<i>Dutch Faces Behind Settlement</i>\N{\i1}"This is Settlers' Language."{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:33:50.52,0:33:53.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're headed to Christians for Israel,\Nin this building,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:53.60,0:33:56.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Obviously, we have some questions.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:56.40,0:33:59.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Before we get there, \Nwe first want to show you...
Dialogue: 0,0:33:59.96,0:34:05.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who's behind Christians for Israel \Nand the route to this discussion.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:05.48,0:34:09.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Christians for Israel \Nis run by the Van Oordt family.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:09.48,0:34:12.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Frank van Oordt, \Nson of founder Karel van Oordt...
Dialogue: 0,0:34:12.72,0:34:15.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has led the foundation since 2020.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:15.76,0:34:20.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Frank succeeded his brother Roger \Nvan Oordt, whom you heard of earlier.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:20.72,0:34:24.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Roger led Christians for Israel \Nfor nearly 30 years.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:24.60,0:34:26.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He now has a new position...
Dialogue: 0,0:34:26.32,0:34:30.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as honorary consul of the State of Israel \Nin the Netherlands.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:30.72,0:34:33.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This means he assists Dutch \Nnationals abroad...
Dialogue: 0,0:34:33.80,0:34:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and looks after Dutch trade interests \Nin Israel.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:37.12,0:34:42.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,According to Nati Rom, Roger allegedly \Nsmuggled cash to the West Bank.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:42.80,0:34:48.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then there's Sara van Oordt, \Nmarried to the founder's grandson.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:48.28,0:34:55.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She's CFI's head of media and \Ncommunication and hosts their talk show.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:55.32,0:35:01.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's 2025 and Israel has been at war \Nfor 458 days now.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:01.56,0:35:06.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the 2023 elections, she was a candidate \Nfor the Christian Union Party.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:06.56,0:35:13.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We first call Frank, the foundation's \Ndirector, to discuss our findings.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:13.96,0:35:18.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're saying quite something there.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:18.92,0:35:23.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But what you're saying isn't true at all. \N-What isn't true?
Dialogue: 0,0:35:24.04,0:35:29.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're saying we finance\Nillegal settlements.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:32.04,0:35:36.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're saying we finance those.\NThat's not true at all.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:36.20,0:35:41.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think you should call \Nour spokesperson.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:41.20,0:35:44.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So who should I call? \N-Sara van Oort.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:45.00,0:35:48.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Frank directs us to Sara and we call her.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:48.68,0:35:53.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She needs some time but calls back later.\NShe wants to come and talk.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:53.96,0:35:58.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, great. Let's arrange that.\NTuesday at 10 o'clock.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:00.44,0:36:02.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hi. Hello.\N-Welcome.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:02.88,0:36:06.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tim. Nice to meet you.\N-Sara.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:06.56,0:36:08.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Welcome to the center.\N-Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:09.00,0:36:12.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can we put the camera on the shoulder?\N-Sure.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:13.04,0:36:16.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We'd like to discuss some things you fund.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:17.08,0:36:23.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Starting with Revava. In 2022, you supported \Nthe construction of a new neighborhood.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:23.36,0:36:25.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How much did you contribute?
Dialogue: 0,0:36:25.64,0:36:28.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We sponsored twelve houses there.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:28.36,0:36:34.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Temporary homes that are also movable.\NThey were 25,000 euros each.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:34.16,0:36:38.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why did you choose to donate \Nspecifically to this project?
Dialogue: 0,0:36:38.16,0:36:41.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We've supported many projects for years.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:41.28,0:36:44.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was a project \Nat the start of the Ukraine crisis...
Dialogue: 0,0:36:44.96,0:36:50.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when Ukrainian refugees flooded\Ninto the Netherlands as well as Israel.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:50.64,0:36:54.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In Israel, they were housed in places \Nincluding Revava.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:54.84,0:36:59.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And why was the choice made to locate it \Nin that neighborhood?
Dialogue: 0,0:36:59.24,0:37:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The municipality chose that. It's within\Nmunicipal boundaries, so they decide.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:05.12,0:37:08.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They had space for twelve little houses.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:08.28,0:37:12.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's not a whole neighborhood, \Njust twelve temporary homes.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:12.60,0:37:15.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They were built under Israeli law...
Dialogue: 0,0:37:15.60,0:37:19.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,partly on land from a Palestinian \Nfrom the nearby village of Deir Istiya...
Dialogue: 0,0:37:19.44,0:37:24.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and partly on land managed by Israel \Nwithout permission given.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:24.24,0:37:30.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nearby buildings are under demolition order \Nby the Israeli government.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:30.40,0:37:33.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Specifically for this neigborhood?\N-Yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:33.36,0:37:36.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You didn't know this?\N-I wasn't aware of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:36.52,0:37:39.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is that checked \Nbefore you finance a neighborhood?
Dialogue: 0,0:37:39.60,0:37:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We always consult the local municipality \Nfor suitable locations.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:45.12,0:37:51.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they said, "This area is in Zone C \Nunder the Oslo Accords."
Dialogue: 0,0:37:51.76,0:37:57.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's under Israeli administration,\Nand they chose this area.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:57.28,0:38:01.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Israeli administration doesn't mean \Nit's Israeli land. You know that.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:01.76,0:38:03.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's disputed.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:03.88,0:38:07.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're the ones disputing it.\NLegally, it's true.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:08.08,0:38:12.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can you repeat the question?\N-It wasn't a question. I provided information.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:12.44,0:38:14.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You say it's disputed, \Nbut you're disputing it.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:15.04,0:38:19.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's under Israeli military law, \Nbut Israel can't just take the land.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:19.92,0:38:25.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's not entirely true.\NThe Oslo Accords were signed in the 1990s.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:25.64,0:38:31.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Zones A, B, and C were agreed upon.\NC is under Israeli administration.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:31.72,0:38:33.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Military administration?
Dialogue: 0,0:38:33.44,0:38:37.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, but also civilian administration, \Nbecause Israelis live there.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:37.60,0:38:39.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A is under Palestinian control.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:39.52,0:38:44.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,B is under shared control. \NThere, military law applies, but not in C.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:44.68,0:38:49.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The idea about the C area is that \Nit's controlled fully by Israel...
Dialogue: 0,0:38:49.80,0:38:54.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in terms of its police and military...
Dialogue: 0,0:38:54.80,0:39:01.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not in terms of the way \Nyou run the land there.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:01.64,0:39:07.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Israeli parliament never passed a law \Nsaying area C is Israeli territory.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:08.00,0:39:11.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's part of what's going on here.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:11.68,0:39:14.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As we've seen now...
Dialogue: 0,0:39:15.00,0:39:23.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,contributing to the expansion of Israeli \Nsettlements is a violation of international law.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:23.36,0:39:26.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,According to the Oslo Accords,\NIsrael has the right...
Dialogue: 0,0:39:26.68,0:39:30.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're a basis for a final agreement.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:30.64,0:39:32.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which hasn't been reached.\N-Unfortunately, not yet.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:32.80,0:39:36.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which means that the West Bank...\N-Is disputed.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:36.60,0:39:39.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can be governed by the Israelis...
Dialogue: 0,0:39:39.16,0:39:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it doesn't mean Palestinian land\Nmust be given up.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:42.12,0:39:45.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Conflicts happen and\Nthey also go to court.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:46.04,0:39:52.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If it turns out that the land is \Nin fact owned by Palestinians...
Dialogue: 0,0:39:52.56,0:39:57.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the court will rule that \Nthose settlements must be cleared.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:57.24,0:40:00.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It has happened before.\NIt will happen again.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:00.28,0:40:07.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've checked whether there is \Na claim on Revava.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:07.60,0:40:10.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is, but it has never been \Nto court.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:10.72,0:40:16.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are many conflicts in the West Bank\Nin the C area where Israel is in control...
Dialogue: 0,0:40:16.36,0:40:18.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where Palestinians say the land is ours.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:18.92,0:40:23.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So they go to court, and yes,\Nlawsuits do drag on.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:23.84,0:40:29.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sometimes the ruling is in favor of Israel,\Nsometimes of Palestinians.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:29.28,0:40:34.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just to be clear, the homes in question \Nin Revava are illegal under Israeli law.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:34.96,0:40:36.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is documented...
Dialogue: 0,0:40:36.36,0:40:42.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and these buildings received a demolition\Norder from the Israeli authorities in 2022.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:46.92,0:40:48.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's the issue here.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:48.48,0:40:52.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You still believe it's morally justified \Nto support this.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:52.40,0:40:54.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's under Israeli administration.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:54.68,0:41:01.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Israel is a democratic state of law \Nand land conflicts are decided in court.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:01.96,0:41:08.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if the land is not Israel's but belongs \Nto Palestinians, we'll relocate those homes.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:08.44,0:41:12.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is that a deal?\N-We simply adhere to the law.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:12.16,0:41:18.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Revava's existence and expansion directly \Nimpacts Palestinians with land next to it.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:18.80,0:41:23.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One is Jamal Faris, a Palestinian \Nolive farmer from Deir Istiya.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:23.20,0:41:28.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,His land borders directly on the wall \Nof the illegal settlement of Revava.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:28.96,0:41:34.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's too dangerous for him to access.\NHe can hardly reach his own land.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:34.48,0:41:37.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have an audio clip.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:38.08,0:41:43.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He went there once and they tied him up \Nand destroyed about 400 trees...
Dialogue: 0,0:41:43.96,0:41:45.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,while he was watching.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:45.44,0:41:50.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So now we don't have too much left, \Nbut we still have problems getting there...
Dialogue: 0,0:41:50.12,0:41:53.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to harvest our trees.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:53.44,0:41:58.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can't go by myself \Nbecause I might get beaten or shot.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:58.36,0:42:01.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's the situation for him \Nand other Palestinians in the area.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:01.40,0:42:03.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Does this affect you? \N-It affects me a lot.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:03.36,0:42:08.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Will it impact funds to Revava \Nfrom Christians for Israel?
Dialogue: 0,0:42:08.16,0:42:11.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It affects me greatly, the suffering.\NI want to emphasize that.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:11.76,0:42:18.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If it turns out our sponsored houses \Nshouldn't be there...
Dialogue: 0,0:42:18.80,0:42:23.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we'll relocate them, \Nbut we'll investigate this thoroughly.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:23.44,0:42:29.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We owe responsibility to our donors. I must\Nexplain our financial spending to them.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:29.60,0:42:32.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you promise \Nto thoroughly investigate this?
Dialogue: 0,0:42:33.04,0:42:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if according to international law\Nit's wrong to displace these Palestinians...
Dialogue: 0,0:42:39.12,0:42:41.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your foundation will pull out?\N-Of course.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:41.84,0:42:45.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's talk about Nati Rom.\N-I know him.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:45.20,0:42:49.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nati Rom gave three talks in the Netherlands \Nin June 2022.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:49.96,0:42:55.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Collections were made \Nwhen Nati Rom spoke here...
Dialogue: 0,0:42:55.24,0:43:00.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at your invitation.\NYou gave him the cash money.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:00.20,0:43:05.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why did that money go to Nati Rom? \N-I don't recall. When was this?
Dialogue: 0,0:43:05.48,0:43:08.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,2022. \N-I don't remember exactly.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:08.68,0:43:14.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'd have to check. But we did sponsor him\Nimmediately after October 7th.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:14.16,0:43:17.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So money went to Or Ami \Nfrom your emergency fund?
Dialogue: 0,0:43:17.92,0:43:20.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But in 2022, we didn't yet\Nhave an emergency fund.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:20.44,0:43:25.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was in 2023, but in 2022 \Nyou gave the collection money to Rom.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:25.48,0:43:28.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's all recorded. We don't just \Nhand over an envelope.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:28.48,0:43:31.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nothing off the books?\N-Of course not.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:31.80,0:43:38.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's start with that cash money in '22 that \Nwent to Nati Rom. Want was that meant for?
Dialogue: 0,0:43:38.20,0:43:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'd have to check.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:40.12,0:43:45.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why donate to Or Ami, to his foundation, \Nfrom the emergency fund?
Dialogue: 0,0:43:45.72,0:43:50.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We donate to many organizations. \N-Yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:50.24,0:43:55.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We list about 20 on our website, I think.\N-What are the conditions?
Dialogue: 0,0:43:55.52,0:43:58.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Conditions for...?\N-For receiving money from you.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:58.88,0:44:00.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The conditions are...
Dialogue: 0,0:44:00.96,0:44:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After October 7th, the Hamas massacre, \Nwe saw Israel in need.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:06.12,0:44:10.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We set up an emergency fund \Nto support people with food parcels...
Dialogue: 0,0:44:10.68,0:44:13.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,emergency kits and also security.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:13.60,0:44:21.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We sponsored a number of shelters \Nfor people seeking refuge in bunkers.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:21.56,0:44:25.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The condition is \Nthat it must fit our policy.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:25.20,0:44:27.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We want to give humanitarian aid...
Dialogue: 0,0:44:27.92,0:44:33.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and support people, both Jews and \NPalestinians, with food aid, for instance.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:33.88,0:44:39.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are there limits you won't cross?\NThings your foundation shouldn't do?
Dialogue: 0,0:44:39.60,0:44:42.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are many things \Na foundation shouldn't do.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:42.44,0:44:45.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're against violence,\Nso we don't support violence.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:45.40,0:44:51.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Would you indirectly fund weapons?\N-Neither directly nor indirectly. No way.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:51.28,0:44:53.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then I'd like to play you something.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:53.44,0:44:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can help people \Nget licenses for pistols.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:58.12,0:45:02.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can also subsidize the price.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:02.72,0:45:08.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To subsidize for people who want to buy, \Nto subsidize the price, this can be.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:08.40,0:45:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How much would it cost to subsidize \Nalso a pistol or a firearm?
Dialogue: 0,0:45:15.12,0:45:16.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It depends on us.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:16.52,0:45:22.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's say a firearm here will cost \Nsomething like 3000 or 4000. It depends.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:22.68,0:45:24.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you get what's being said?
Dialogue: 0,0:45:24.96,0:45:28.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That you could subsidize a weapon \Nor something, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:45:28.96,0:45:33.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With donated money.\N-But not from Christians for Israel.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:33.20,0:45:36.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is the question. \N-That is the answer.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:36.52,0:45:38.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are you sure?
Dialogue: 0,0:45:38.32,0:45:40.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm 100% sure. \N-How do you know?
Dialogue: 0,0:45:40.36,0:45:46.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It goes against our policy.\NDonations are earmarked for specific goals.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:46.76,0:45:51.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're a serious \NPublic Benefit Organisation.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:51.24,0:45:54.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We adhere to rules, that's our policy.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:54.72,0:45:57.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What would we gain by doing this?
Dialogue: 0,0:45:57.96,0:45:59.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's put this in moral terms.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:59.92,0:46:03.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Would you continue work with Nati Rom \Nand his foundation...
Dialogue: 0,0:46:03.84,0:46:09.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,knowing he also finances weapons \Nwith donations?
Dialogue: 0,0:46:09.60,0:46:11.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's a hard question.\N-Why?
Dialogue: 0,0:46:11.36,0:46:18.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're confronting me with this now.\NI asked to get your questions up front.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:18.20,0:46:20.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn't get them,\Nso we couldn't confer.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:20.52,0:46:25.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Christians for Israel doesn't support \Nweapons. I want to emphasize this again.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:25.96,0:46:30.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You just hope. \N-I'm sure of it. It's not hope.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:30.48,0:46:34.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our books are in order.\NWe know what we're donating to.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:34.48,0:46:36.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So let's look at the books. \N-Yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:36.92,0:46:42.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We had another talk with Nati Rom and \NArjen Domburg. You know him, I think.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:42.64,0:46:48.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know his name, not the person. \N-From the Heartland Foundation.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:48.60,0:46:54.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This was a conversation about \NRoger van Oordt, well-known to you.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:54.56,0:46:58.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Roger van Oordt \Nis a very good friend of mine.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:58.92,0:47:01.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He came to my place like twenty times.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:01.84,0:47:03.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know this, right? \N-I do.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:03.76,0:47:09.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He brings groups to us \Nto be inspired, you know.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:10.80,0:47:12.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he for years and years...
Dialogue: 0,0:47:12.80,0:47:16.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're very connected and I love him\Npersonally very much.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:16.44,0:47:21.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's a great person,\Nbut for years...
Dialogue: 0,0:47:21.12,0:47:26.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,his organization rather gives millions \Nto projects like...
Dialogue: 0,0:47:26.44,0:47:32.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,building the windmill in Jerusalem\Nand flowers...
Dialogue: 0,0:47:32.32,0:47:36.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they didn't want to be connected \Nbecause they were afraid.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:37.08,0:47:43.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when he was helping me,\Nit was in a small amount and secretly.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:43.44,0:47:45.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So from time to time\Nhe used to help us...
Dialogue: 0,0:47:45.88,0:47:50.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but secretly. \NHe has his way how to do it.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:50.64,0:47:53.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But for what I do, for what I want, \NI don't do flowers.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:54.08,0:47:57.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nati Rom is talking about off-the-books\Nmoney which Roger van Oordt...
Dialogue: 0,0:47:58.08,0:48:00.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Secretly, he said.\NI don't recognize that.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:01.08,0:48:04.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He talked about off-the-books money...
Dialogue: 0,0:48:04.36,0:48:09.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and said that Roger van Oort provided him\Nwith cash, and possibly implies there...
Dialogue: 0,0:48:10.04,0:48:12.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as you heard,\N"I don't do flowers"...
Dialogue: 0,0:48:12.88,0:48:18.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,implying off-the-books actions\Nlike possibly financing weapons.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:18.40,0:48:22.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I stick to my story. We don't finance \Nweapons on the books...
Dialogue: 0,0:48:22.64,0:48:25.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we don't do anything off the books.\N-Nati Rom says you do.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:26.04,0:48:29.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Those are his words.\NWe don't do things off the books.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:29.92,0:48:35.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can't check it...\N-You'll have to take my word for it.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:35.36,0:48:39.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Will you ask Roger van Oordt? \N-No, I'll look into this, of course.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:40.04,0:48:41.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are you shocked?
Dialogue: 0,0:48:41.48,0:48:47.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're being presented with things \NI'm not aware of.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:47.48,0:48:52.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As Christians for Israel, \Nwe're accountable for our donations.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:52.24,0:48:58.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I stand by that, having insight \Ninto the projects we support.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:58.48,0:49:00.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We do not support violence. Period.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:00.88,0:49:07.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You also funded 2,000 food vouchers \Nin 2023.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:08.80,0:49:12.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's discuss food vouchers.\NWe'll go back to Nati Rom.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:12.28,0:49:15.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Between you and me, \Nwe don't know each other yet...
Dialogue: 0,0:49:15.48,0:49:19.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but this is the reason I use the food cards,\Nbecause it's not only food...
Dialogue: 0,0:49:19.52,0:49:24.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's a card that they can use \Nin one hundred main stores in Israel.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:25.04,0:49:29.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They can also buy a tool, working tool.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:29.32,0:49:32.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One project that might be interesting\Nfor you...
Dialogue: 0,0:49:33.04,0:49:37.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is buying a small car, an ATV,\NI can show you a picture.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:37.72,0:49:42.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's for guarding at night\Nand in the day they're working with it.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:42.84,0:49:46.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a lot of options.\N-Okay. So the card is...
Dialogue: 0,0:49:46.16,0:49:50.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They can use it how they want, \Neven if they have trouble with the...
Dialogue: 0,0:49:50.68,0:49:54.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what's it called, the sanctions or...
Dialogue: 0,0:49:54.96,0:49:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.\NExactly, yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:58.12,0:50:01.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What Nati Rom tells us \Nis that the food vouchers here...
Dialogue: 0,0:50:01.84,0:50:09.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can help bypass sanctions against settlers\Nsanctioned by bodies like the EU.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:09.60,0:50:11.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This isn't about gifts \Nfrom Christians for Israel.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:11.92,0:50:14.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, but my question is:
Dialogue: 0,0:50:14.16,0:50:18.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you hear this,\NNati Rom funding weapons...
Dialogue: 0,0:50:18.36,0:50:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,accepting cash from Roger van Oordt\Nand wanting to bypass sanctions...
Dialogue: 0,0:50:24.12,0:50:27.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our expert says this was about\Nbypassing sanctions...
Dialogue: 0,0:50:27.72,0:50:30.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is this enough to stop working\Nwith the foundation?
Dialogue: 0,0:50:31.00,0:50:35.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're against any form of violence.\N-Yes, you said that.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:35.60,0:50:39.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we will talk to Nati Rom.\NWe know...
Dialogue: 0,0:50:39.28,0:50:42.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You'll talk to Nati Rom, but...\N-Definitely.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:42.92,0:50:46.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We've cooperated with him \Nfor many years.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:46.72,0:50:53.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If it turns out that donations from\NChristians for Israel are misused by him...
Dialogue: 0,0:50:53.36,0:50:57.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we'll ask questions and we'll stop \Nif he continues to do so.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:57.92,0:51:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why do you call this area Judea and Samaria \Ninstead of the West Bank?
Dialogue: 0,0:51:03.12,0:51:06.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's the name used in Israel \Nfor the area.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:07.08,0:51:11.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, but it's the West Bank.\N-It's just a name, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:51:11.72,0:51:16.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's like North and South Holland \Ntogether making up Holland.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:16.64,0:51:20.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's what it's called.\NIn Israel, it's Judea and Samaria.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:20.40,0:51:24.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A biblical term.\N-Biblical, but used in Israel.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:25.08,0:51:31.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is the way the religious settlers \Nrefer to the land in its biblical terms.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:31.16,0:51:35.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not the way \Nthe great majority of Israelis...
Dialogue: 0,0:51:35.44,0:51:39.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nor the legal system, \Nnor the documents refer to it.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:39.44,0:51:43.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Israelis up to recently \Nwould call it "Hagda Ma'aravi"...
Dialogue: 0,0:51:43.60,0:51:45.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is literally the West Bank.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:45.64,0:51:49.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You contribute directly to \NNati Rom's foundation...
Dialogue: 0,0:51:49.36,0:51:55.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is clearly committed to maintaining \Nand expanding settlements.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:55.56,0:52:00.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have contributed directly to\Nthe expansion of the settlement in Revava.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:00.80,0:52:07.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you work with Sondra Baras' \NChristian Friends of Israeli Communities.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:07.48,0:52:13.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She has said, I believe on British tv,\Nafter Trump came to power...
Dialogue: 0,0:52:13.60,0:52:20.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that Palestinians should accept the fact\Nthat they will never have sovereignty.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:21.08,0:52:24.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In a draconian regime, \Nthe first thing you're saying is...
Dialogue: 0,0:52:24.44,0:52:27.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,teaching people \Nhow to speak a new language.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:27.48,0:52:30.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is...\N-This is settler lingo.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:31.04,0:52:32.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is settler language...
Dialogue: 0,0:52:32.60,0:52:39.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as if ignoring the United Nations and \Nall the resolutions that passed since 1967.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:39.80,0:52:45.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In that sense you say,\N"we'll accept whatever happens."
Dialogue: 0,0:52:45.28,0:52:50.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But in the meantime, \Nyou commit financially and materially...
Dialogue: 0,0:52:50.60,0:52:57.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to organizations whose goal is to make\Nthe West Bank as Jewish as possible.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:57.36,0:53:02.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not concerned with the opinions \Nof those you mentioned.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:02.92,0:53:08.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But you do support them financially.\N-We also back those against Netanyahu.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:08.24,0:53:13.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We know what we're supporting.\NDonations go to specific projects.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:13.16,0:53:17.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's about supporting an ideology...\N-We don't support any ideology.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:17.60,0:53:22.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is strange. If I tie Allard's laces \Nand then slap you...
Dialogue: 0,0:53:22.24,0:53:25.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can't say, "I slapped you, \Nbut I also tied his laces, so it's okay."
Dialogue: 0,0:53:26.00,0:53:32.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're supporting foundations that contribute \Nto the colonisation of territories.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:33.00,0:53:37.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We just support people.\N-You're not just supporting people.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:37.60,0:53:40.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, we do.\NWe're discussing opinions.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:40.52,0:53:43.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have your opinion\Nabout the territory's future.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:43.36,0:53:47.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's irrelevant, as I don't oversee \Na donating foundation.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:47.40,0:53:52.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You donate a lot of Dutch money.\N-It's not that much for those territories.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:52.64,0:53:59.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Such extreme remarks aren't a problem?\N-You say extreme, but she may have a point.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:59.36,0:54:03.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Currently it might be better \Nif Israel controls the area...
Dialogue: 0,0:54:04.08,0:54:09.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rather than having a Palestinian authority \Nor even Hamas in control.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:09.20,0:54:12.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Purely in pragmatic terms.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:12.40,0:54:20.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just now, the Palestinian population suffers\Nfrom a poorly organized leadership...
Dialogue: 0,0:54:20.28,0:54:26.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so maybe it's more of a pragmatic approach \Nthan an ideological approach.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:26.36,0:54:30.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I must go against this, \Nfor there's much more going on than...
Dialogue: 0,0:54:30.92,0:54:34.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It complicates when Palestinians\Nwant their land...
Dialogue: 0,0:54:34.88,0:54:40.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but when it's about Palestinian leadership, \Nit's straightforward.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:41.08,0:54:46.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know that's very complex too.\N-Extremely complex.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:46.32,0:54:53.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What would it take for Christians for Israel\Nto stop supporting or donating?
Dialogue: 0,0:54:53.64,0:54:55.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When would we pull out?
Dialogue: 0,0:54:55.92,0:54:58.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When violence is used.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:59.00,0:55:00.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can you define that?
Dialogue: 0,0:55:00.96,0:55:04.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, violence. Weapons maybe?
Dialogue: 0,0:55:04.56,0:55:09.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We don't do that. It's against our policy.\NWe want no part in that.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:09.76,0:55:12.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Stealing land?\N-Nor in that.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:12.20,0:55:13.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Colonising?\N-We abide by the law.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:13.96,0:55:16.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What can we agree upon\Nafter this conversation?
Dialogue: 0,0:55:16.36,0:55:20.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You'll look into Revava. \NWe've just told you the story.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:20.84,0:55:25.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If it's illegal and hampers people\Nlike Jamal...
Dialogue: 0,0:55:25.52,0:55:28.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...you'll end your support,\Nthe homes must go.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:28.52,0:55:30.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They'll have to be moved.\N-Where?
Dialogue: 0,0:55:30.88,0:55:32.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know yet.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:33.04,0:55:35.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then there's Nati Rom.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:35.48,0:55:38.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You'll wash our hands of him.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:38.24,0:55:40.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Look, we'll talk with Nati Rom.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:40.96,0:55:47.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You've confronted me today with \Na telephone conversation I was unaware of.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:48.04,0:55:52.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We'll talk to Nati Rom and \Nsee what the consequences will be.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:53.00,0:55:58.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So spreading an ideology would not be\Nenough for you to pull out?
Dialogue: 0,0:55:58.24,0:56:02.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is about politics, not ideology.\NThat's okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:02.40,0:56:06.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is a free country, and so is Israel.\NDifferent opinions are allowed.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:07.08,0:56:09.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Everything you do \Nhas been allowed so far.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:09.76,0:56:13.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How does the foundation see it?\NYou speak for it, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:56:13.92,0:56:18.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We don't support people \Nbased on their political views.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:18.96,0:56:21.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We just support all people.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:25.40,0:56:29.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But that's not what you guys do, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:56:29.76,0:56:34.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Never mind.\NI'm also hitting a wall, I think.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:35.00,0:56:39.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why use organizations like CFOIC\Nor Nati Rom's...
Dialogue: 0,0:56:39.68,0:56:44.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the Itamar foundation,\Nwhere we know that people...
Dialogue: 0,0:56:44.20,0:56:47.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Itamar is notorious \Nfor its violent settlers.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:47.88,0:56:53.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nati Rom makes strong public statements \Nabout their West Bank vision.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:54.04,0:57:00.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ms. Baras tells the BBC\Nshe wants sovereignty to go to Israel.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:00.48,0:57:05.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you support that financially.\N-We support the people financially.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:11.48,0:57:13.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can't sugarcoat it.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:13.80,0:57:17.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All we do,\Nis support activities in Israel.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:17.84,0:57:21.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We support people who need it.\N-Who say these things.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:21.32,0:57:27.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In Israel, there are many different\Nopinions on the future of the conflict.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:27.28,0:57:32.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You choose to support a certain opinion.\N-Our support is independent of that.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:32.56,0:57:36.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But you are supporting it.\NIt amounts to the same thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:39.80,0:57:43.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You support the people\Nwho hold these views...
Dialogue: 0,0:57:43.68,0:57:47.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even if you say you don't support them\Nbecause of those views.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:47.36,0:57:51.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's what we do, indeed.\NThere's nothing wrong with that.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:51.20,0:57:56.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because in Israel there are many opinions\Nabout the future of the West Bank.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:57.04,0:58:01.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They believe it would be best\Nif Israel were in charge.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:01.56,0:58:03.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, that's the conclusion.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:03.60,0:58:08.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It doesn't matter if she says that,\Nshe can still expect money from CvI.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:09.04,0:58:12.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, that's cleared now.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:12.20,0:58:14.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We've come to the point.\N-Great.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:14.92,0:58:19.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right? We have everything we needed.\NWe wanted to hear your reaction.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:19.56,0:58:23.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Have a good day.\N-Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:23.48,0:58:28.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is the wine from the occupied territories\Nsold here too? Why is that?
Dialogue: 0,0:58:28.68,0:58:32.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is this part of the interview?\N-Sure.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:33.00,0:58:36.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because it's very tasty wine.\N-Even if it's from occupied territory.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:36.36,0:58:38.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's under dispute.\N-It's occupied.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:38.76,0:58:40.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's under dispute.\N-Occupied.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:40.36,0:58:44.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a dispute, to be clear.\N-Yes, but it's clearly occupied.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:44.88,0:58:49.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is George Orwell 101.\NIf you want a draconian regime...
Dialogue: 0,0:58:49.92,0:58:54.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the first thing you do, is teach people\Nhow to speak a new language.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:54.64,0:58:57.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's the settler lingo,\Nthe settler language.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:57.64,0:59:03.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As if ignoring the United Nations and all\Nthe resolutions that passed since 1967.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:03.48,0:59:10.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, Israel occupied these territories,\Nthere are territories that are occupied.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:10.84,0:59:16.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Israel recognizes that this is occupied\Nterritory in terms of international law.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:16.80,0:59:21.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not illegal to occupy a territory.\NThat's the key thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:21.64,0:59:27.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's problematic, it should be temporary,\Nbut it's not illegal to occupy land.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:27.24,0:59:33.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is illegal, is to then send settlers\Ninto the occupied territories and so on.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:33.60,0:59:35.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is where we're going into legal...
Dialogue: 0,0:59:35.88,0:59:40.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of the tactics of settlers to say\Nthere's nothing problematic about it...
Dialogue: 0,0:59:41.08,0:59:44.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is to blur the fact\Nthat this is occupied land.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:44.96,0:59:50.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, this is again a type of debate\Nabout terminology...
Dialogue: 0,0:59:50.84,0:59:57.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that appeared immediately after 1967,\Ndisappeared and now reappears again...
Dialogue: 0,0:59:57.48,1:00:03.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in which the hawkish Israeli right\Nis saying: Don't call it occupied territory.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:03.40,1:00:06.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They'll call it disputed territory.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:06.48,1:00:11.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's what the international community\Nsays. It's simply in Area C...
Dialogue: 0,1:00:11.44,1:00:14.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is under Israeli control\Naccording to the Oslo Accords.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:14.32,1:00:16.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The wine's from that area.\N-Which is occupied.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:16.96,1:00:20.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's clearly labeled.\NWe have a booklet on the wine's origin.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:20.48,1:00:22.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Occupied territory.\N-Disputed.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:22.36,1:00:26.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Does it taste well?\N-It's delicious. Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:32.80,1:00:37.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She was consistent in what she told us,\Nbut unclear, I think.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:37.28,1:00:41.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's almost as if she wanted to convey\Na different truth from the CvI website.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:42.08,1:00:45.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The things that were said\Nand we've discovered.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:46.20,1:00:51.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think her main point is they can\Ngive money to whomever they want.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:51.44,1:00:55.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That it doesn't matter what those people\Nbelieve or what world view they promote.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:55.72,1:01:00.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're not responsible\Nfor what is done with the money.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:00.20,1:01:04.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which, of course, is absurd. It means\Nyou can say you're not responsible...
Dialogue: 0,1:01:04.28,1:01:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,while giving tens of or even hundreds\Nof thousands of euros to extremist groups.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:10.12,1:01:16.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can't just wash your hands of that,\Nwhile saying you support them.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:16.60,1:01:20.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know what just happened there.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:20.28,1:01:25.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We'll go and review the facts again,\Nas we're wont to do.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:25.32,1:01:31.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In any case, we've learned that they'll be\Ntalking to Naty Rom, whatever that means.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:32.04,1:01:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It didn't feel as if she took that\Nseriously. Let's see what she does.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:38.12,1:01:40.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She's going to call Roger van Oord.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:42.96,1:01:48.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm curious to see what will come of that.\NAs for the rest, you've said it all.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:49.00,1:01:53.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The question is how seriously\Nthey're going to take this.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:53.28,1:01:57.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They have the same information we have.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:57.20,1:02:02.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It took us just a few days of googling\Nto find out what is going wrong.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:02.24,1:02:06.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Did they fail to do that? Or did they\Ndo it, but then just ignored it?
Dialogue: 0,1:02:06.92,1:02:08.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's also possible.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:08.48,1:02:13.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think they have, because she just said\Nit doesn't matter what someone says.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:13.20,1:02:16.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They support all opinions and all views...
Dialogue: 0,1:02:16.32,1:02:20.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even if they are\Nas you just presented them.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:21.08,1:02:25.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On a closing note:\NI hope that nothing happens to Jamal.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:25.24,1:02:29.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He contributed to this programme,\Nbut is his safety now at risk?
Dialogue: 0,1:02:29.92,1:02:32.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's aware, but we wish him all the best.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:32.84,1:02:36.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We don't tolerate\Nany antisemitism, islamophobia...
Dialogue: 0,1:02:36.84,1:02:42.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or other forms of discrimination\Nand racism in the comment section.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:42.24,1:02:44.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Please, refrain from that.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:44.32,1:02:49.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Stick to the facts and nothing\Nbut the facts. This story requires it.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:49.44,1:02:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We don't want to seen any hateful stuff.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:54.12,1:02:55.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What a story.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:01.96,1:03:06.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I need the land.\NI wish somebody could step in...
Dialogue: 0,1:03:06.80,1:03:11.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and help us with that,\Nto be able to go there...
Dialogue: 0,1:03:12.08,1:03:17.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I know whether there's somebody\Nor not, or somebody can do it or not...
Dialogue: 0,1:03:17.24,1:03:21.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these people don't listen.\NThese settlers don't listen to nobody.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:21.80,1:03:28.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This entire movement is forbidden\Nunder international law, so that's clear.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:28.28,1:03:33.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a bad thing. Palestinians\Nare suffering the most damage.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:34.00,1:03:38.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is their land that is being taken.\NIt is their freedom of movement...
Dialogue: 0,1:03:38.56,1:03:42.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is being restricted\Nin a very nasty and intrusive way.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:43.08,1:03:46.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, that money is used\Nto violate human rights.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:47.52,1:03:50.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CvI has paused its support to Nati Rom,\Npending further investigation.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:51.00,1:03:53.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sara van Oordt,\NCvI's media and communication manager...
Dialogue: 0,1:03:53.92,1:03:57.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has told the Nederlands Dagblad\Nand Investico...
Dialogue: 0,1:03:57.24,1:04:01.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that support to Nati Rom has been\Nsuspended, pending further investigation.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:01.36,1:04:04.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As for the new housing estate in Revava,\Nshe says:
Dialogue: 0,1:04:04.36,1:04:09.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If it is proven that the houses are built\Non the land of a Palestinian farmer...
Dialogue: 0,1:04:09.44,1:04:12.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we will make sure it is moved elsewhere.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:12.28,1:04:16.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CvI does not want to build on any land\Nthat has been stolen.'
Dialogue: 0,1:04:17.04,1:04:22.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In a reaction, Roger van Oordt states that\NNati Rom could not have meant to say...
Dialogue: 0,1:04:22.24,1:04:26.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'that he received cash or any money\Noff the books, from either me or CvI.'
Dialogue: 0,1:04:26.88,1:04:29.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He writes that 'this never happened'.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:31.80,1:04:35.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Arjen Domburg writes\Non behalf of Stichting Israël Heartland...
Dialogue: 0,1:04:35.44,1:04:37.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'that they never donated\Nmoney off the books....
Dialogue: 0,1:04:37.96,1:04:40.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or financed the purchase of weapons.'
Dialogue: 0,1:04:40.32,1:04:44.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'The work of undercover reporters\Nwho lie about his indentity...
Dialogue: 0,1:04:44.64,1:04:47.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,while inciting, manipulating\Nand pressuring'...
Dialogue: 0,1:04:48.04,1:04:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,make it 'problematic to answer questions',\Nhe maintains.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:53.12,1:04:58.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nati Rom says that his foundation never\Nreceived money off the books, or cash...
Dialogue: 0,1:04:58.92,1:05:02.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from CvI, or people associated with CvI.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:02.52,1:05:06.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'They never donated money for weapons,\Nand they never will.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:06.48,1:05:11.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These are the facts. In all the work we\Ndo, we follow Israeli law to the letter.'
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Dialogue: 0,1:05:35.44,1:05:38.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There won't be a show next week,\Nbut the week after that.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:39.04,1:05:42.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That has to do with the story that we're\Nairing that week. So, brace yourselves.