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You're an expert on this subject:

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Are we living in an autocracy?

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Not yet.

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So, we still have

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plenty of agency.

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We have opposition

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political parties.

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We can do this.

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We have a civil society

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that functions.

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We have a press that functions.

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See, you know,

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there's at least

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five members of it

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sitting right here.

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The highly functional.

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We haven't,

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we haven't been arrested yet.

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Yeah.

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You know, what you're watching now?

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You are—

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and I don't think this is

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just Trump;

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it's actually people around Trump

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who've learned from

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what's happened in other places

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and who are sometimes,

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sometimes openly

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imitating what

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they've seen in Hungary or Turkey

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or even Venezuela.

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You have people around him

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who understand

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what are the levers to press on

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if you want to destroy democracy.

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So, you eliminate the independent

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civil service;

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you undermine judges;

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you undermine experts,

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as Tom just said.

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They are—

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this is a playbook,

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and they are following it.

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But there is nothing

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inevitable about politics.

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And just because they know

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what the playbook is

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and they've started to follow it

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doesn't mean that they

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achieve their goal in the end,

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which is which is

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making sure

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we don't ever vote again,

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or that our vote

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doesn't mean anything.