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How long a a a
a a a a a a you actually are considering,

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going to a farmers market
or who have sold it Eqc's owners market.

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So it'd be really fun
to have a discussion of what's worked

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well for different people at farmers
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Before we get into that,
a little bit about me, I,

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grow in South Jordan or local.

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I have a my micro farm.

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I have two sites, one
at a neighbor's property

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and the other is just in my backyard.

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I'm going into my fifth season farming

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and it's our fourth PT, PT with markets
and with subscriptions.

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My first year
I just sold to neighbors off Facebook

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and and things like that.

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I also teach the backyard
cut flower garden course,

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at, snack farm. And,

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we do workshops and consultations.

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So that's a little bit about me.

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Farmers markets.

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So I love farmer's markets.

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I've always loved farmers.

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Markets.

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It's not them.

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And so when I moved here to Utah,
I wanted to find flower farmers,

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our local farmers markets,
and there just weren't any.

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And so that's kind of how I got started.

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Even,

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with the business of flower farming.

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So some of the business or the benefits

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from selling at a farmer's market,

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every new grower wants to know
how to be seen

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in their community,
how to help people find them. And,

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selling at a farmer's
market is so helpful.

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And, being able to

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be seen in your community
and make those contacts,

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networking at a farmer's market,
talking with other vendors,

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you can find more opportunities
to sell your flowers.

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Market managers.

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Just this week, I had two emails

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from one of my market managers
telling me about a different market.

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One in Payson, one in Harriman,

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and then also an opportunity
to sell my flowers online.

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So you you expand

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your horizons a little bit,

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beyond just selling at a market.

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For me, it's been a stepping stone.

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A lot of my subscribers have come from
being customers at the farmers market.

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Maybe
they weren't able to make it every week,

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and they wanted flowers every week.
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they sign up for subscriptions?

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A lot of them ask me growing questions,

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which leads to them coming to workshops.

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A lot of times they'll ask about weddings,
and I've done a few for them.

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And a great way
to make sure you get the most of

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that is by gathering,

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emails while you're at the market.

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It's a little tricky.

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This last year I did not gather any emails

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for this year, but,
hopefully once we, you know,

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maybe you can try a QR code
or something like that.

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And then the other thing is it's
a little bit less exacting than for sales.

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And I don't necessarily mean quality,
but you can take what you grow.

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So if you only have red zinnias
that year, someone

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will buy them, or that week
someone will buy them.

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Whereas it might be hard to find,
an event florist

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that wants,
you know, a mishmash of things.

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Okay, so I think a big question.

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I have lots of friends
that have tried selling at the market,

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and I think a good thing to do
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find out whether it's really suited
for you, before you take the time

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and the energy to invest in tents
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and all those things.

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Do you have the time most markets,
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markets are on weekends
and, or weeknights.

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And if your kids are all in sports
and that's important to you,

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it might be really hard
to take the time out of your busy family's

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life to go to the market.

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Do you have support?

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Do you have childcare?

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It is a really hard thing

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to take a small child
to the farmer's market and try to sell,

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resources.

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Do you have a car?

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Can you produce flowers over a season,
or are you worried that you will have them

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for July and August,
but maybe none of the rest of the year?

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And then personality.

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I really don't think that you need to be
an extrovert to sell at a farmer's market.

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But you do need to be friendly.

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You need to be able to,

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talk to people
and be able to approach people.

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If that's really hard for you,

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you might find the farmer's
market really overwhelming.

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And then you might be like my 14 year old
if it's a real slow, slow market.

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He gets really bored and drives me crazy.

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So if you get bored easy,
maybe that's not well suited either.

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so, I did want to mention
this was my first farmer's market.

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This picture, and obviously
I did not have a lot of product,

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so I'm going to refer back to that later.

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Choosing a market.

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If you go to a market and talk to vendors,
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sell at different markets
and they can tell you which markets

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are the busiest
or the most profitable in our state.

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Find out things like foot traffic.

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Are they busy?

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If you go and visit them, you know,
in the market before you plan on selling,

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then you have an idea of of what

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kind of foot traffic.

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Location.

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Some areas are just a little more affluent
and we sell a luxury item.

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So looking for those areas is pretty good.

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Whether it's a

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producers only or a resale market,

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resale markets
will typically have lots of crafts.

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Whereas producers are more focused on
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There are pros and cons to both.

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I sell at the South Jordan market,

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and that's a producers only
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And that is a resale market.

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you get a very different clientele each.

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And there's I love them both,
but it's important to to think about,

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what their fees are can be, an issue.

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Just make sure that when you are applying
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that they know that you're not a crafter,
you should be paying farmers fees.

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They're typically lower. And,

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but a lot of market managers
won't understand that at first.

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So it's somewhere that we have to do
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in our community and then season length.

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I have a market that starts in June.

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I love it,
and then my next market starts in August.

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And that kind of helps me
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at that time in the season, and so it's
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if it's on a Wednesday afternoon
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it might not be a good fit
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And so you want to think about that
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So I think one of the biggest worries
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when we go to a farmer's
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And like Heather was saying that it's it's

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not a bad thing to have competition.

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It makes you a better farmer.

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But you can also distinguish yourself.

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And there can be multiple farmers
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Just like when you're shopping
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and you go to the mall
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to try on, you'll go to somewhere
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and that's, you know, a market
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They can become become known for that.

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And the people who want lots of options
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for flowers will go to that market.

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It'll become a draw.

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You can also look at different ways
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If the lady down

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the row is selling bouquets,
you can think about selling single stems.

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I remember someone talking about
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and they didn't sell sweet peas,
and the farmer down the row from them did.

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And so they would send people looking for
sweet peas down there, and vice versa.

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So, the most important thing is not to be

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so worried about not selling your flowers
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there selling flowers that you lower
your prices.

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You really need to base your prices

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on what you need to make
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And if you get scared,
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to the bottom where you lower your prices
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cheapest and best.

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some things about really killing it
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If you want to really have
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where people are coming back
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your flowers are the prettiest
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then you need to bring the best product
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If there's something that's

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kind of wilted, I don't like to take it
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Because that first time
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that's like one of your
your only chances, right?

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the best experience with it,
they might not buy from you again.

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So you want to be knowledgeable
in the varieties you grow, know

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your harvest stage, hydrate them well,

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and they'll keep coming back.

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And what's great is when they come back,
they'll tell other people

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it's pretty common for people to walk by,

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customers that returning customers
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Someone new
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those flowers are going to last two weeks.

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They're the best. You should buy it.

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And I don't have to do the selling.

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That's my my customers doing it for me.

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So it's it's kind of awesome.

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If it's a really hot day,
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and sticking them in the buckets,
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My flowers are, in the shade.

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And then another big thing is
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they don't think about it,
but the flowers will wilt pretty quickly.

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And so I like to offer to hold them
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so that they're not walking around
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If they're going
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Let's see. So

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when you are setting up your display,

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there is a,

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catch phrase that says stack them

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high and watch them fly
the vegetable farmers use.

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And I think the same thing applies
to our, displays at the farmers market.

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For flowers, we want to show abundance.

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People like to have lots of choices.

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It looks good.

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It's appealing.

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It stops people in that track.

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So bring everything you have packaged into

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it looks lush.

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And I think it's, it's always
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that are sitting on a mostly empty table

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that are the hardest to sell. So,

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clearly mark your prices.

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People are shy.
They don't want to ask you.

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It also makes it clear
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I have three price points, I have three,

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I have my petite bouquets,
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And sometimes I'll do a premium bouquet
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and a little bit more money,
but I don't go beyond that.

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Simple is easy for you
and it's easy for your customer.

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I also really like long tablecloths.

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I don't want my junk
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Underneath my tablecloth.

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That's kind of nitpicky, but

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it's just one of those things
I think makes you look so professional

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and then think about
whether they can find you again.

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Do you have business cards?

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Do you have a banner up?

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Do they know if
if they can order from you again?

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It helps with repeat business.

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So pricing
pricing came up a lot in Heather's talk.

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Pricing is is hard.

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I think it's a really hard thing
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And one of the most important things
you can do is start tracking

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your, expenses and your labor, the,

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the costs of really producing those items.

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Labor is our biggest cost.

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And I think that it's the thing
that we like to discount the most.

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We don't think about it
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But our time is valuable. So,

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really knowing your true costs,

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looking to break even, track your hours,

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all of your hours,
even if it's time, posting on

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social media or,

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time stripping the bouquet,
you know, stripping your stems

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and making bouquets and weeding
all those things add up.

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And, you probably work
more than you think you do.

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So and then,

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watch your stem counts.

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It's one thing to say my bouquets are $20,
but what does that mean?

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Is it a ten stem bouquet
or is it a 25 stem bouquet?

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You know, one of those.

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It's going to be much more profitable
than the other.

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And then I have this picture

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here, and these are some David
Austin Garden roses.

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And I don't take them
to the farmer's market.

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This was, a customer

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had ordered, an expensive birthday,

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bouquet and surprise to his wife

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with it at the farmer's market.

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And so I wouldn't put tons of high value

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flowers into a market bouquet

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unless I was charging
appropriately for it.

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So just pay attention to those things

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like ranunculus
or garden roses or dahlias and

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use them judiciously.

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Talking too much?

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One of the other things that people do is

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at the end of the market, sorry.

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They will,

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ask for discount
sometimes if you have flowers left over.

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And when you give discounts
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you train your customers to know,
hey, if she's got flowers left over,

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I can go get them cheap.

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And that must be
what they're really worth.

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Sorry.

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So I never discount my flowers
at the end of the market.

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I would rather take them to a friend
or to my mother in law.

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Take them somewhere, give them away.

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You can think of it as PR.

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People enjoy getting flowers, and then
you're not devaluing the flowers at all.

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It becomes a gift instead of a, discount.

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And then you

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list pricing.

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I love this quote from Seth Godin.

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Cheap as another way to say scared.

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And I think

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lowering
our price should be our last thing.

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I think we need to think about.

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Do my flowers look good?

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If they're not selling, do they look good?

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Am I getting the word out?

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Do people know I'm here?

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Am I being friendly?

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Am I being engaging?
Doing all those things?

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Before
we think about discounting our prices or,

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not charging enough?

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Okay, so here are my boys.

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They helped me sell at the market
because we do two markets

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on Saturday mornings,
and I can't be in two places at once.

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And so these are a few things that I've,

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and they're not allowed to sit.

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Well, we're selling at the farmer's market
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all the flowers are sold.

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They really love that.

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It's good to be friendly.

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I usually just say, hi,
how are you doing to people?

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You can be friendly

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and talk to everybody without being pushy.

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I also find it.

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It's great to accept
as many forms of payment as possible.

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So credit cards, cash,

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Apple pay, Google pay,
all of those things.

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The easier
you make it for people to pay the,

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less obstacles
there are to them buying your flowers.

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Once we sell a bouquet, we usually,

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you know, if half a bucket is empty
and another half a bucket is empty,

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we combine the buckets,
we keep our displays looking good.

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It gives

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us something
to do while we're sitting there.

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And, helps our display look good.

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And, another collect your email addresses.

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This is a great thing
because when you want to contact them

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later to tell them
when the market starts next year,

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or to tell them when,

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you're selling your subscriptions
or that you're starting weddings.

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This is how you can contact
these people later.

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And then I think this is most important
as you come back and you do it again,

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and then you come back
and you do it again.

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If someone comes
and they buy your flowers,

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and I think they were
the most amazing flowers in the world,

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and they come back and you're not there
the next week, you've lost a sale.

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So I think that

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farmer's market is the most successful
when you commit to it, when you go back

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year after year or even week after week,
if you're just trying it for a season.

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There's
nothing wrong with trying it for a season

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and seeing
if it works with your lifestyle.

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But I do think if you're going
to really have the benefits

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and the rewards of

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selling at a farmer's market, then you've
you've got to have some commitment.

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There.

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Okay.

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So I wanted to talk a little bit about

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is sold out the real goal.

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So on this picture on the,

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the picture with less flowers
I sold out that day,

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which is always awesome to be able to say
I took everything and I sold it.

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The one above.

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I, I did not sell out that day.

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I think I had two bouquets left over,
but it was my highest grossing market,

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that I've ever had.

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It was just our last market,
this last season.

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And, a lot of times we,
we think it's great to sell out,

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but if you're selling out
super early in the day and,

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your market starts at nine
and you're sold out by 11 or 12

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and you've got another hour to go,
think about what what's going on?

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Are you,

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selling your flowers cheaply?

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Are you not bringing enough product?

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Can you work on that for the next season?

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We are trying to double our production
again this year because

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we can probably sell it.

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And so, those are just some things
to think about when you're selling out.

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Really, what you want to do is

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sell the most flowers, right?

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And so it's okay
if you have a couple bouquets left over,

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if that means that every person

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that wanted a bouquet
that came to the market got one.

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I always felt terrible
when I'd sell out early,

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and then people would come up to me
and go, oh.

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I was, you know, I'm here
just for flowers or something.

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And I knew I missed a sale because
I didn't have enough flowers that week.

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So something to think about.

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And then,

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subscriptions, like I said earlier,
a lot of my subscriptions come from,

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referrals from the farmers market
and some selling

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after you get those email addresses,

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some selling points
for when you approach people

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about subscriptions,
they already know your quality.

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They know you have great variety.

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That's one of the things
my subscribers say when I,

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ask them in surveys,
what do they enjoy about our flowers?

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It's the varieties that they get
that they're different.

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It's more convenient
to have flowers delivered to you

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or to pick them up once a week,

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then have to go to the farmers market
and see if there's any there.

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We also do a spring subscription,

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and that starts before
there are any farmer's markets open.

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And so that's an opportunity
to extend your, your,

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selling period. And,

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and then the assurance
of being able to get flowers

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if you're selling out all the time.

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And people might just want to make sure
they have your flowers.

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So that's kind of.

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What I've got for you,

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it looks like there's some,

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questions.