1 00:00:15,595 --> 00:00:17,898 Phony philanthropist, 2 00:00:17,898 --> 00:00:20,138 humanitarian hypocrite, 3 00:00:20,478 --> 00:00:22,432 deceptive do-gooder, 4 00:00:22,802 --> 00:00:24,917 fraudulent altruist, 5 00:00:24,937 --> 00:00:27,440 charitable pretender - 6 00:00:28,210 --> 00:00:31,489 however you describe them, one thing's for sure: 7 00:00:31,489 --> 00:00:34,852 There are few things in life that we hate more 8 00:00:34,852 --> 00:00:37,787 than moralizing hypocrites, 9 00:00:37,787 --> 00:00:42,965 people who ask us to do charitable acts but are themselves hypocritical. 10 00:00:42,965 --> 00:00:44,723 Now, in my line of work, 11 00:00:44,723 --> 00:00:45,856 working with charities, 12 00:00:45,856 --> 00:00:47,688 social enterprises, 13 00:00:47,688 --> 00:00:49,847 foundations, and aid agencies, 14 00:00:49,867 --> 00:00:53,667 I hear the word "hypocrite" all the time. 15 00:00:54,137 --> 00:00:55,701 When Bono, 16 00:00:55,701 --> 00:01:01,250 the sunglass-wearing, tax-avoiding, mansion-living, jet-setting Irishman, 17 00:01:01,700 --> 00:01:04,383 when he asks people to donate to charity, 18 00:01:04,383 --> 00:01:05,393 what do we say? 19 00:01:05,393 --> 00:01:07,100 We say, "Hypocrite!" 20 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:10,180 When Al Gore campaigns on climate change, 21 00:01:10,180 --> 00:01:13,768 a man who many years 22 00:01:13,768 --> 00:01:17,375 has had a utility bill more than 20 times the average household, 23 00:01:17,395 --> 00:01:19,475 we say, "Hypocrite!" 24 00:01:20,015 --> 00:01:22,845 When the CEO of the Kony campaign 25 00:01:22,845 --> 00:01:24,993 was, on one hand, asking us to donate money 26 00:01:24,993 --> 00:01:26,565 and saying he cared 27 00:01:26,565 --> 00:01:31,245 but, on the other hand, was taking home a charity salary of $90,000, 28 00:01:31,245 --> 00:01:34,361 we said - you guessed it - "Hypocrite!" 29 00:01:34,673 --> 00:01:36,467 You see, we hate hypocrites. 30 00:01:36,467 --> 00:01:39,182 We hate people who purport to have certain beliefs 31 00:01:39,182 --> 00:01:41,109 that we don't actually think they have 32 00:01:41,109 --> 00:01:43,641 when their actions don't reflect those beliefs. 33 00:01:45,031 --> 00:01:49,845 And I want to ask us, "Should we call out people for hypocrisy? 34 00:01:49,845 --> 00:01:53,980 People who we think are hypocrites, should we give them that label?" 35 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:59,364 Now, I hate genuine hypocrisy as much as the next person, 36 00:01:59,364 --> 00:02:01,959 but I want to suggest - and this is a big "but" - 37 00:02:01,959 --> 00:02:05,425 I want to suggest that calling out people for hypocrisy 38 00:02:05,425 --> 00:02:07,525 is misguided at best, 39 00:02:07,525 --> 00:02:10,552 downright dangerous at worst. 40 00:02:11,692 --> 00:02:13,741 The key problem here 41 00:02:13,741 --> 00:02:16,973 is that often when we accuse people of hypocrisy, 42 00:02:16,973 --> 00:02:18,949 it's not actually hypocrisy. 43 00:02:19,679 --> 00:02:24,018 And there's a few common mistakes that we make time and time again. 44 00:02:24,548 --> 00:02:26,321 The first mistake that we make 45 00:02:26,321 --> 00:02:29,824 is that we assume that all charitable acts are equivalent. 46 00:02:30,564 --> 00:02:34,690 Say someone tells you that they support a carbon trading scheme. 47 00:02:34,700 --> 00:02:39,245 We interpret that as just that person supports the environment, 48 00:02:39,245 --> 00:02:42,329 and so if they don't recycle, we say, "Hypocrite!" 49 00:02:42,679 --> 00:02:47,996 If someone asks you for money for water purification tablets 50 00:02:48,016 --> 00:02:49,992 for a country like Myanmar, 51 00:02:50,012 --> 00:02:53,847 we assume, oh, that person supports fresh clean water, 52 00:02:53,847 --> 00:02:57,346 and so if they don't themselves give money to build water wells, 53 00:02:57,346 --> 00:02:59,203 we say, "Hypocrite!" 54 00:02:59,543 --> 00:03:00,544 But the reality 55 00:03:00,544 --> 00:03:03,944 is that there are multiple different ways of solving every problem, 56 00:03:03,944 --> 00:03:06,144 some that are far more effective than others, 57 00:03:06,144 --> 00:03:09,394 and just because you support some approaches to problems 58 00:03:09,394 --> 00:03:14,439 doesn't mean you can or should or will support every approach. 59 00:03:14,439 --> 00:03:16,645 That's the first mistake we commonly make. 60 00:03:17,045 --> 00:03:19,698 The second problem that we often come across, 61 00:03:19,698 --> 00:03:21,360 the second mistake that we make 62 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:27,096 is that we compare to the extremes of selflessness and selfishness. 63 00:03:27,556 --> 00:03:29,680 Say you walk into a cafe, 64 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:34,897 and there's a sign on the wall that says, "We donate 20% of our profits to charity." 65 00:03:34,897 --> 00:03:38,270 You'd probably think, "What a great café! What good people! 66 00:03:38,270 --> 00:03:40,482 Donating a bit of their profits to charity." 67 00:03:41,032 --> 00:03:45,072 And so when we have mostly profit-making, 68 00:03:45,072 --> 00:03:47,805 mostly selfishness but a bit of altruism, 69 00:03:47,805 --> 00:03:50,029 we like it, we think of it as a good thing. 70 00:03:50,733 --> 00:03:53,023 But then if someone works for a charity, 71 00:03:53,023 --> 00:03:56,404 if someone dedicates their entire career to a good cause, 72 00:03:56,404 --> 00:03:59,254 if someone is mostly selfless 73 00:03:59,254 --> 00:04:02,036 but then takes home a reasonably decent salary, 74 00:04:02,036 --> 00:04:04,306 we say, "Hah, hypocrite!" 75 00:04:04,666 --> 00:04:08,868 So we're fine with mostly selfish with a touch of altruism 76 00:04:08,868 --> 00:04:12,677 but not mostly altruistic with a touch of selfish. 77 00:04:12,937 --> 00:04:14,653 You can be 10% altruistic, 78 00:04:14,653 --> 00:04:16,483 but you can't be 90%, 79 00:04:16,483 --> 00:04:18,823 which doesn't make any sense. 80 00:04:18,823 --> 00:04:23,567 We prefer honest greed to imperfect generosity. 81 00:04:23,567 --> 00:04:25,564 We compare to the extremes 82 00:04:25,564 --> 00:04:28,697 rather than comparing people to other people. 83 00:04:28,907 --> 00:04:30,499 That's the second mistake. 84 00:04:30,739 --> 00:04:32,511 The third mistake we make 85 00:04:32,511 --> 00:04:33,525 is that we assume 86 00:04:33,525 --> 00:04:37,912 that because someone supports a collective response to something, 87 00:04:37,912 --> 00:04:39,934 individual action must follow. 88 00:04:39,934 --> 00:04:41,363 And so if a politician says 89 00:04:41,363 --> 00:04:44,371 that they support government-provided education, 90 00:04:44,371 --> 00:04:47,047 but they send their kids to private independent schools, 91 00:04:47,047 --> 00:04:49,199 we say, "Hypocrite." 92 00:04:49,199 --> 00:04:53,479 If someone was to say they supported a global ban on meat consumption, 93 00:04:53,479 --> 00:04:55,993 and yet they themselves ate meat, 94 00:04:55,993 --> 00:04:58,341 we might say, "Hypocrite." 95 00:04:58,711 --> 00:05:02,125 But the reality is it's totally rational 96 00:05:02,715 --> 00:05:06,465 often to support a collective response 97 00:05:06,835 --> 00:05:10,287 without necessarily wanting to be the one to act alone, 98 00:05:10,287 --> 00:05:12,551 to act individually, to bear the cost. 99 00:05:12,551 --> 00:05:14,355 It's very rational. 100 00:05:14,355 --> 00:05:17,326 For example, if you act in a certain way, 101 00:05:17,326 --> 00:05:19,739 such as by taking really short showers 102 00:05:19,739 --> 00:05:23,573 or taking the train instead of a plane to save on carbon emissions, 103 00:05:23,573 --> 00:05:26,800 you bear the full cost of your action, 104 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,172 and yet the benefits are dispersed by seven billion people. 105 00:05:30,466 --> 00:05:33,767 And so in order for it to be rational for you to do that, 106 00:05:33,767 --> 00:05:37,749 the benefits really need to be seven billion times the cost, 107 00:05:37,749 --> 00:05:39,603 which is rarely going to be the case. 108 00:05:39,603 --> 00:05:44,348 That's why initiatives such as Earth Hour often don't have a sustained impact. 109 00:05:44,688 --> 00:05:47,703 It's not hypocritical to be rational. 110 00:05:48,803 --> 00:05:50,853 The fourth mistake that we often make 111 00:05:50,853 --> 00:05:53,228 is that we assume that if someone really cares, 112 00:05:53,228 --> 00:05:55,715 if someone really wants the best outcome, 113 00:05:55,715 --> 00:05:59,043 they'll necessarily support the ideal policy. 114 00:05:59,513 --> 00:06:02,270 So when Kevin Rudd, the former Prime Minister of Australia, 115 00:06:02,270 --> 00:06:06,179 said climate change is the greatest moral challenge of our time, 116 00:06:06,189 --> 00:06:10,258 and then he supported watered-down environmental legislation, 117 00:06:10,258 --> 00:06:11,958 we said, "Hypocrite." 118 00:06:12,548 --> 00:06:15,720 But the reality is sometimes you need to be strategic. 119 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,410 And if that ideal policy, if the ideal situation 120 00:06:19,410 --> 00:06:21,919 would not receive parliamentary support, 121 00:06:21,919 --> 00:06:26,594 if that would be scrapped by the next Parliament in a year or two, 122 00:06:26,594 --> 00:06:29,670 then sometimes opting for the second-best approach 123 00:06:29,670 --> 00:06:32,047 is actually more sustainable and actually better 124 00:06:32,057 --> 00:06:34,132 and actually has a greater impact. 125 00:06:34,452 --> 00:06:39,138 Another common mistake we make is that we conflate legality and morality. 126 00:06:39,488 --> 00:06:43,518 If someone was to stand up and say they opposed prostitution, 127 00:06:43,518 --> 00:06:46,053 they thought prostitution was wrong, 128 00:06:46,053 --> 00:06:48,560 and yet then they voted for it to be legal, 129 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:50,582 we might say, "Hypocrite." 130 00:06:50,582 --> 00:06:53,954 But questions of legality and morality are very different. 131 00:06:55,024 --> 00:06:58,963 You see, if making prostitution legal 132 00:06:58,963 --> 00:07:01,846 meant that victims of abuse could come forward 133 00:07:01,846 --> 00:07:05,282 without fear of persecution or prosecution, 134 00:07:05,282 --> 00:07:07,378 then it might be the right thing to do, 135 00:07:07,378 --> 00:07:11,561 irrespective of whether you thought it was morally right or wrong. 136 00:07:11,561 --> 00:07:15,343 Likewise, it's entirely consistent for someone to say 137 00:07:15,343 --> 00:07:19,100 that they themselves, say for religious reasons, 138 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,758 don't believe in gay marriage, 139 00:07:21,758 --> 00:07:25,107 but for that same person to say they think it should be legal. 140 00:07:25,477 --> 00:07:28,090 Because questions of legality also take into account 141 00:07:28,090 --> 00:07:32,804 other people's beliefs and opinions and sexual preferences. 142 00:07:33,184 --> 00:07:35,827 We shouldn't conflate legality and morality. 143 00:07:36,587 --> 00:07:38,497 And the final mistake that we often make 144 00:07:38,497 --> 00:07:41,926 is we just don't distinguish between different circumstances. 145 00:07:41,926 --> 00:07:44,174 When Obama came out and said 146 00:07:44,174 --> 00:07:49,525 that having armed security in every school wasn't the answer to gun violence, 147 00:07:49,525 --> 00:07:52,676 the NRA responded, not by attacking the argument, 148 00:07:52,676 --> 00:07:54,353 but by attacking the person. 149 00:07:54,353 --> 00:07:57,523 They ran ad campaigns, saying that Obama was a hypocrite 150 00:07:57,523 --> 00:08:00,483 because he had armed security for his daughters. 151 00:08:00,903 --> 00:08:04,716 We often don't distinguish different circumstances. 152 00:08:04,736 --> 00:08:07,762 My point here is that often when we accuse people of hypocrisy, 153 00:08:07,782 --> 00:08:10,203 it's simply not hypocritical. 154 00:08:10,203 --> 00:08:12,235 We assume that we know people's beliefs, 155 00:08:12,235 --> 00:08:15,822 we assume we know why people are acting in a certain way, 156 00:08:15,822 --> 00:08:18,434 but it's often arrogant to assume that. 157 00:08:18,434 --> 00:08:21,863 We're too quick to condemn, too slow to ask why. 158 00:08:22,503 --> 00:08:25,498 But let's assume for a moment that it was hypocritical, 159 00:08:25,508 --> 00:08:29,664 that these people did actually act in a hypocritical manner. 160 00:08:30,194 --> 00:08:34,647 The problem here is that the existence of hypocrisy 161 00:08:34,647 --> 00:08:38,645 doesn't actually undermine the argument that is being made. 162 00:08:38,645 --> 00:08:41,924 It's a convenient distraction, but it's not a rebuttal. 163 00:08:41,924 --> 00:08:44,640 I mean the argument that smoking is bad 164 00:08:45,030 --> 00:08:49,429 doesn't change because the person who is making it is a smoker. 165 00:08:49,729 --> 00:08:54,275 You can know right or wrong without being morally perfect yourself. 166 00:08:54,275 --> 00:08:57,574 And you should be able to ask people to do what is right. 167 00:08:57,574 --> 00:09:00,606 That shouldn't just be the purview of the morally perfect. 168 00:09:02,056 --> 00:09:05,772 And so, if we shouldn't call out people for hypocrisy, 169 00:09:05,772 --> 00:09:09,903 if we shouldn't focus on the charitable messenger, 170 00:09:09,903 --> 00:09:11,447 what should we do? 171 00:09:11,747 --> 00:09:12,753 I want to say 172 00:09:12,753 --> 00:09:17,132 that we should discuss and debate and critique the charitable message. 173 00:09:17,702 --> 00:09:19,778 Now, with me I have two jugs. 174 00:09:20,128 --> 00:09:21,875 One of those represents the person, 175 00:09:21,875 --> 00:09:25,264 one of those represents the messenger in question, 176 00:09:25,264 --> 00:09:28,141 and the other one represents the argument, the message. 177 00:09:28,141 --> 00:09:30,866 Now, when we call out people for hypocrisy, 178 00:09:30,866 --> 00:09:33,681 when we use that hypocrisy argument, 179 00:09:33,691 --> 00:09:36,169 when we use it to attack a person, 180 00:09:36,179 --> 00:09:37,970 this is what happens. 181 00:09:39,130 --> 00:09:40,727 It's easy to make them bleed. 182 00:09:40,727 --> 00:09:42,646 It's easy to inflict pain. 183 00:09:43,136 --> 00:09:45,632 After all, they're a fallible person. 184 00:09:47,042 --> 00:09:48,175 But what's interesting 185 00:09:48,175 --> 00:09:50,298 is that we don't discuss, we don't critique, 186 00:09:50,298 --> 00:09:53,252 we don't criticize the charitable message. 187 00:09:55,862 --> 00:09:57,246 And so that's the status quo, 188 00:09:57,246 --> 00:09:59,552 that's the situation we find ourselves in, 189 00:09:59,552 --> 00:10:03,371 where attacking the charitable messenger is all too easy 190 00:10:03,391 --> 00:10:07,240 and attacking the charitable message is often taboo. 191 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:09,623 Why is this? 192 00:10:09,623 --> 00:10:13,852 Well, I think we often think of charity as somewhat of a taboo subject. 193 00:10:13,872 --> 00:10:15,734 We don't like criticizing it. 194 00:10:15,744 --> 00:10:18,904 Indeed, we just think of it as doing good. 195 00:10:18,914 --> 00:10:21,810 That's why you can do a lot of things in the name of charity. 196 00:10:21,810 --> 00:10:23,616 (Laughter) 197 00:10:24,396 --> 00:10:27,565 If you want an excuse to do a naked calendar, 198 00:10:27,565 --> 00:10:29,420 do it in the name of charity. 199 00:10:29,750 --> 00:10:32,988 If you want an excuse to do a marathon, do it in the name of charity. 200 00:10:32,988 --> 00:10:35,418 If you want an excuse to make three of your friends, 201 00:10:35,418 --> 00:10:36,846 to force three of your friends 202 00:10:36,846 --> 00:10:39,278 to pour a bucket of ice cold water over their heads, 203 00:10:39,278 --> 00:10:40,275 (Laughter) 204 00:10:40,275 --> 00:10:42,135 do it in the name of charity. 205 00:10:42,135 --> 00:10:45,779 You see, we find it difficult to criticize acts of charity. 206 00:10:45,779 --> 00:10:48,091 We think of charity as one and the same, 207 00:10:48,111 --> 00:10:50,834 but not all charities are created equal, 208 00:10:50,844 --> 00:10:54,817 not all approaches to problems are equally effective. 209 00:10:55,437 --> 00:10:57,583 One of the things that the organization I run, 210 00:10:57,583 --> 00:10:58,742 180 Degrees Consulting, 211 00:10:58,742 --> 00:11:00,114 specializes in 212 00:11:00,114 --> 00:11:01,585 is measuring the social impact 213 00:11:01,585 --> 00:11:04,851 of different programs and different organizations, 214 00:11:04,851 --> 00:11:06,206 and it's very clear to me 215 00:11:06,206 --> 00:11:08,522 that some approaches, some charities, 216 00:11:08,522 --> 00:11:13,368 are hundreds, even thousands, of times more effective than other approaches. 217 00:11:13,368 --> 00:11:14,572 And so what that means 218 00:11:14,572 --> 00:11:17,857 is that it's more important to do the right act, 219 00:11:17,857 --> 00:11:19,341 the most effective act, 220 00:11:19,341 --> 00:11:22,006 than to merely do an action. 221 00:11:22,591 --> 00:11:24,737 An action is merely a means to an end. 222 00:11:24,747 --> 00:11:27,794 We focus on it when we accuse people of hypocrisy, 223 00:11:27,794 --> 00:11:31,656 but focusing on the impact is far more important. 224 00:11:32,436 --> 00:11:34,011 It's far more important 225 00:11:34,011 --> 00:11:37,322 because in a world with unlimited problems 226 00:11:37,332 --> 00:11:40,625 but limited time, limited resources, and limited money, 227 00:11:40,635 --> 00:11:45,975 we can't afford to not have the greatest social impact possible. 228 00:11:45,975 --> 00:11:47,474 We can't afford it. 229 00:11:47,474 --> 00:11:52,642 We can't afford for doing good to merely be a feel-good endeavor. 230 00:11:52,662 --> 00:11:55,948 It must be an intellectual endeavor as well. 231 00:11:56,308 --> 00:11:58,215 Let me give you one example. 232 00:11:58,645 --> 00:12:01,134 Say you have $42,000, 233 00:12:01,154 --> 00:12:04,367 and you want to spend that money helping blind people. 234 00:12:04,387 --> 00:12:06,779 You can spend that money in a few different ways. 235 00:12:07,099 --> 00:12:10,125 One way is by not giving it at all. 236 00:12:10,135 --> 00:12:14,440 The second way is by using the money to train a guide dog. 237 00:12:14,450 --> 00:12:17,326 It cost about $42,000 to train a guide dog. 238 00:12:17,336 --> 00:12:18,640 And the third option 239 00:12:18,650 --> 00:12:21,749 is that you can use it to fund a low-cost eye surgery 240 00:12:21,759 --> 00:12:22,812 in a place like India, 241 00:12:22,832 --> 00:12:26,308 which costs about $75 per surgery. 242 00:12:26,328 --> 00:12:28,985 And so with that $42,000, 243 00:12:28,995 --> 00:12:31,429 you can either help no blind people, 244 00:12:31,699 --> 00:12:33,306 one blind person, 245 00:12:33,316 --> 00:12:35,902 or 560 blind people. 246 00:12:36,322 --> 00:12:39,030 I do not think it should be taboo 247 00:12:39,290 --> 00:12:44,233 to argue that you should not give money to training the guide dog, 248 00:12:44,253 --> 00:12:45,771 as cute as guide dogs are 249 00:12:45,791 --> 00:12:49,222 and as important guide dogs are for the people who use them, 250 00:12:49,422 --> 00:12:53,834 and that you should instead give money for the low-cost eye surgery. 251 00:12:54,584 --> 00:12:56,684 I know that sounds bad. 252 00:12:56,944 --> 00:12:58,875 It sounds unethical. 253 00:12:59,455 --> 00:13:01,313 It almost sounds evil. 254 00:13:01,753 --> 00:13:05,634 Once we've done the effective approaches, we can do the less effective approaches, 255 00:13:05,654 --> 00:13:07,877 but I don't think less effective approaches 256 00:13:07,877 --> 00:13:11,621 should come at the expense of the more effective approaches. 257 00:13:12,371 --> 00:13:15,245 Because as long as it is taboo 258 00:13:15,258 --> 00:13:18,579 for us to talk about the impacts of different charitable acts, 259 00:13:18,869 --> 00:13:20,223 more people will be blind, 260 00:13:20,251 --> 00:13:21,721 more people will be poor, 261 00:13:21,751 --> 00:13:25,432 more people won't have access to health, education, and sanitation, 262 00:13:25,432 --> 00:13:28,191 and that is something I cannot stand for. 263 00:13:28,921 --> 00:13:31,115 I want us to have the greatest impact possible, 264 00:13:31,115 --> 00:13:33,377 and I don't think we'd have that greatest impact 265 00:13:33,397 --> 00:13:37,097 by focusing on hypocrisy or focusing on the messenger. 266 00:13:37,097 --> 00:13:39,878 We have it by focusing on the charitable message. 267 00:13:39,878 --> 00:13:42,088 That's the most important thing. 268 00:13:42,708 --> 00:13:44,141 Let me conclude. 269 00:13:45,401 --> 00:13:48,741 Time and time again, when we can, 270 00:13:48,761 --> 00:13:50,923 we target the messenger, not the message; 271 00:13:50,943 --> 00:13:53,213 the campaigner, not the campaign; 272 00:13:53,243 --> 00:13:54,872 the person, not the argument. 273 00:13:55,272 --> 00:13:58,704 The exact opposite should be true. 274 00:13:59,764 --> 00:14:02,123 The key point that I'm trying to make here 275 00:14:02,123 --> 00:14:05,043 is that charitable messengers should not be the target, 276 00:14:05,073 --> 00:14:09,244 and critiquing charitable messages should no longer be taboo. 277 00:14:10,024 --> 00:14:14,794 Small minds rebut people; great minds rebut arguments. 278 00:14:14,814 --> 00:14:17,109 I think Eleanor Roosevelt would agree. 279 00:14:17,529 --> 00:14:18,552 So the next time 280 00:14:18,552 --> 00:14:23,881 that a politician, a celebrity, a friend, a religious leader, a charity worker 281 00:14:23,891 --> 00:14:26,387 asks you to do something that you don't want to do, 282 00:14:27,667 --> 00:14:31,042 I want you to respond by rebutting the message, 283 00:14:31,042 --> 00:14:32,622 not the messenger. 284 00:14:32,632 --> 00:14:35,759 The next time that a friend calls out someone for hypocrisy, 285 00:14:35,769 --> 00:14:39,767 I want you to tell them, "Rebut the message, not the messenger." 286 00:14:40,477 --> 00:14:43,316 By focusing on the hypocrisy of the messenger, 287 00:14:43,316 --> 00:14:44,858 we're being misguided, 288 00:14:45,078 --> 00:14:47,782 but by focusing on the validity of the message, 289 00:14:47,792 --> 00:14:49,181 we're being productive, 290 00:14:49,201 --> 00:14:51,957 we're helping to maximize impact. 291 00:14:51,977 --> 00:14:53,927 And that is a cause worth fighting for. 292 00:14:53,927 --> 00:14:55,077 Thank you. 293 00:14:55,077 --> 00:14:58,069 (Applause)