1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:00,537 2 00:00:00,537 --> 00:00:01,620 INSTRUCTOR: Hey everybody. 3 00:00:01,620 --> 00:00:03,350 This tutorial is going to go over 4 00:00:03,350 --> 00:00:05,240 how to use the GFTA, which is one 5 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:08,780 of the more commonly-used tests for doing 6 00:00:08,780 --> 00:00:10,500 an assessment for speech. 7 00:00:10,500 --> 00:00:12,290 You'll use it a lot in the school system 8 00:00:12,290 --> 00:00:14,190 and, well, lots of other settings as well. 9 00:00:14,190 --> 00:00:16,740 But let's get started with just your basic materials. 10 00:00:16,740 --> 00:00:18,613 So you have your protocol. 11 00:00:18,613 --> 00:00:20,030 What's really great about this one 12 00:00:20,030 --> 00:00:21,840 is that it doesn't matter about the age. 13 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,480 It's just one protocol, regardless of the age. 14 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:26,000 You have your manual as well, which 15 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:27,960 is where you're going to find all your scores, 16 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:31,620 know how to rank the child, and all of your directions. 17 00:00:31,620 --> 00:00:33,420 So I know they're not super fun to read, 18 00:00:33,420 --> 00:00:35,030 but it's definitely really important 19 00:00:35,030 --> 00:00:36,990 to make sure that you look at your protocol. 20 00:00:36,990 --> 00:00:39,560 And then you also have the stimulus book, which 21 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:41,160 is going to have the pictures in it, 22 00:00:41,160 --> 00:00:44,390 and then your directions as well. 23 00:00:44,390 --> 00:00:46,970 So this is the stimulus book, and you will 24 00:00:46,970 --> 00:00:48,630 start with the sounds in words. 25 00:00:48,630 --> 00:00:51,450 And it is important to note the age range for this. 26 00:00:51,450 --> 00:00:58,020 So while the test is for ages 2 all the way up to 21:11, 27 00:00:58,020 --> 00:00:59,520 if you're doing the sounds in words, 28 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:01,890 these are your ages for sounds and words. 29 00:01:01,890 --> 00:01:04,349 So the stimulus book is pretty awesome. 30 00:01:04,349 --> 00:01:07,800 You have all of your directions here, which is great. 31 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,082 So you just read the bold part to your client. 32 00:01:11,082 --> 00:01:13,290 So you read, "You're going to see some pictures here. 33 00:01:13,290 --> 00:01:16,260 I want you to tell me about the pictures I show you." 34 00:01:16,260 --> 00:01:19,020 And then you're going to flip away from yourself. 35 00:01:19,020 --> 00:01:20,970 So this is what you're going to see. 36 00:01:20,970 --> 00:01:23,600 And it's great because here is the question 37 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:25,200 that you're asking the client. 38 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:27,440 And here are the cues in case they give you 39 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:28,740 a different answer. 40 00:01:28,740 --> 00:01:31,598 But what your client sees is the picture. 41 00:01:31,598 --> 00:01:33,390 So all they're going to see is the picture. 42 00:01:33,390 --> 00:01:36,260 What's really nice about the way that this is set up 43 00:01:36,260 --> 00:01:39,390 is that when you are actually administering the test, 44 00:01:39,390 --> 00:01:42,690 you can stick your protocol right here behind you, 45 00:01:42,690 --> 00:01:44,760 and you can be marking down right here. 46 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:48,210 So the client is not able to see what you're marking down. 47 00:01:48,210 --> 00:01:50,150 Keep in mind that it's really important 48 00:01:50,150 --> 00:01:53,000 that the client is not seeing what you're writing down 49 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:53,940 on the paper. 50 00:01:53,940 --> 00:01:56,420 That can be cause for some anxiety 51 00:01:56,420 --> 00:01:58,200 if they see that you're writing a lot. 52 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,110 And a lot of the times, your clients 53 00:02:00,110 --> 00:02:02,730 will actually know when they've gotten things incorrect. 54 00:02:02,730 --> 00:02:06,810 So it's really important to keep that behind your easel. 55 00:02:06,810 --> 00:02:09,360 So what you'll do is you'll say, "What is this?" 56 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,150 And then you're actually going to point at the same time. 57 00:02:12,150 --> 00:02:16,413 So it's best to sit at an angle, keep the book this way 58 00:02:16,413 --> 00:02:17,580 so you can keep it this way. 59 00:02:17,580 --> 00:02:19,705 If you're left handed, obviously, put it over here. 60 00:02:19,705 --> 00:02:21,890 And then just point to the part of the picture 61 00:02:21,890 --> 00:02:24,300 that you want the client to name, 62 00:02:24,300 --> 00:02:27,620 and then you just flip away from yourself. 63 00:02:27,620 --> 00:02:29,370 And you say, "What is this?" 64 00:02:29,370 --> 00:02:31,740 If the client gives you the wrong answer, 65 00:02:31,740 --> 00:02:33,420 this is the suggested cue. 66 00:02:33,420 --> 00:02:34,770 You'll say, "This is a pig. 67 00:02:34,770 --> 00:02:35,850 It says oink. 68 00:02:35,850 --> 00:02:37,050 What is this?" 69 00:02:37,050 --> 00:02:40,320 And you go through the entire book like that. 70 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,280 So here, you just flip through this way. 71 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:48,440 And that will be all of your sounds in words. 72 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:50,550 For the sounds in sentences. 73 00:02:50,550 --> 00:02:52,770 Again, take a look at your age here. 74 00:02:52,770 --> 00:02:55,190 So this is the age for this section. 75 00:02:55,190 --> 00:02:57,140 What you're going to do is you're 76 00:02:57,140 --> 00:02:59,600 going to tell the individual that you're 77 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,160 working with that you're going to read them a story. 78 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,440 You want to make sure, as it says here, 79 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:06,810 to read at a conversational pace. 80 00:03:06,810 --> 00:03:08,750 That is just good advice for any time 81 00:03:08,750 --> 00:03:11,570 you're administering a test to make sure that you're not 82 00:03:11,570 --> 00:03:14,570 talking too quickly, that you're speaking at a pace 83 00:03:14,570 --> 00:03:17,010 that your client is able to understand you, 84 00:03:17,010 --> 00:03:22,550 but that you're also not talking so slowly that it's 85 00:03:22,550 --> 00:03:25,290 very unnatural. 86 00:03:25,290 --> 00:03:28,920 That is actually a form of cueing or helping the client. 87 00:03:28,920 --> 00:03:32,100 So we want to make sure that we're not speaking that slowly. 88 00:03:32,100 --> 00:03:35,130 So once you've told the story in its entirety-- 89 00:03:35,130 --> 00:03:36,690 so here is the story. 90 00:03:36,690 --> 00:03:39,000 The client will see this picture. 91 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,300 So again, you'll have this. 92 00:03:41,300 --> 00:03:44,330 Here is the picture that the client will see. 93 00:03:44,330 --> 00:03:47,520 And you'll go through the entire story. 94 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,390 So there's just a few pages of the story. 95 00:03:50,390 --> 00:03:53,940 And then when you get to the end-- 96 00:03:53,940 --> 00:03:55,770 so this is what it'll look like-- 97 00:03:55,770 --> 00:03:59,570 you'll go back to the first panel. 98 00:03:59,570 --> 00:04:02,880 And what you will do is you'll show the picture again. 99 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,540 You repeat the story one sentence at a time, 100 00:04:06,540 --> 00:04:09,643 and you ask the client then to repeat that sentence. 101 00:04:09,643 --> 00:04:12,320 102 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,860 Be cautious that when you are testing at different ages 103 00:04:15,860 --> 00:04:18,959 that you take a look at where you're starting. 104 00:04:18,959 --> 00:04:23,510 So if you're doing sounds in words between 7 and 21, 105 00:04:23,510 --> 00:04:26,450 you need to make sure that you go here, and then sounds 106 00:04:26,450 --> 00:04:31,070 in sentences 7 to 21, you need to start here. 107 00:04:31,070 --> 00:04:36,300 So again, the protocol itself is for every age. 108 00:04:36,300 --> 00:04:38,365 But in the book, in the stimulus book, 109 00:04:38,365 --> 00:04:39,740 you want to make sure that you're 110 00:04:39,740 --> 00:04:42,290 starting at the right place. 111 00:04:42,290 --> 00:04:44,547 At times, after you've done your assessment 112 00:04:44,547 --> 00:04:46,130 and you've seen that your client maybe 113 00:04:46,130 --> 00:04:48,780 has had some errors on some of their sounds, 114 00:04:48,780 --> 00:04:51,540 you can go to this part where it's Stimulability, 115 00:04:51,540 --> 00:04:54,500 and what you do is you're going to give the client-- 116 00:04:54,500 --> 00:04:58,190 you're going to give them the directions of watch my mouth 117 00:04:58,190 --> 00:04:59,888 and say what I do. 118 00:04:59,888 --> 00:05:00,930 So here's the directions. 119 00:05:00,930 --> 00:05:03,630 "Watch my mouth and listen to me very carefully. 120 00:05:03,630 --> 00:05:05,930 Try to say this just as I do. 121 00:05:05,930 --> 00:05:08,190 Remember to watch and listen." 122 00:05:08,190 --> 00:05:09,920 And then these are the different sounds 123 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:11,540 that you could help your client to be 124 00:05:11,540 --> 00:05:14,150 able to see if they're stimulable to be able to produce 125 00:05:14,150 --> 00:05:19,250 those sounds, which is very important for goal selection. 126 00:05:19,250 --> 00:05:22,753 Now when it comes to actually recording on the record form, 127 00:05:22,753 --> 00:05:24,920 you want to make sure that you're filling everything 128 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:26,280 out here at the top. 129 00:05:26,280 --> 00:05:28,232 Make sure that you have the correct age. 130 00:05:28,232 --> 00:05:29,690 And then you're going to be filling 131 00:05:29,690 --> 00:05:32,190 in the raw score, standard score, confidence intervals, 132 00:05:32,190 --> 00:05:34,100 anything that you might need. 133 00:05:34,100 --> 00:05:38,480 And when you open up the protocol, what you will see 134 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:42,240 is these are all the words from our picture book. 135 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,090 So in the event that the client gets it right, 136 00:05:45,090 --> 00:05:46,350 you can just leave it alone. 137 00:05:46,350 --> 00:05:47,820 You don't need to write anything. 138 00:05:47,820 --> 00:05:51,270 You want to write something when the client gets it incorrect. 139 00:05:51,270 --> 00:05:54,110 So for those of you who really don't like IPA or maybe 140 00:05:54,110 --> 00:05:57,020 have forgotten IPA, you might not like this test 141 00:05:57,020 --> 00:05:59,300 very much because it's really important that you're 142 00:05:59,300 --> 00:06:02,150 writing an IPA for this test because you 143 00:06:02,150 --> 00:06:03,920 want to know what the error patterns are 144 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:05,700 for this particular client. 145 00:06:05,700 --> 00:06:08,700 If they have omitted it, you would put a line through it. 146 00:06:08,700 --> 00:06:12,320 That's how that particular sound has been omitted. 147 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,200 Be careful when you have clusters that you're 148 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:16,548 writing what is written there. 149 00:06:16,548 --> 00:06:18,590 You're writing what the client does, whether they 150 00:06:18,590 --> 00:06:20,130 do the cluster or not. 151 00:06:20,130 --> 00:06:22,650 But keep in mind that doesn't count as two. 152 00:06:22,650 --> 00:06:24,860 If the client gets that wrong, that cluster 153 00:06:24,860 --> 00:06:27,440 is only going to count as one. 154 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,920 When you go to score this particular test, what 155 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,090 you're doing is you're counting the errors. 156 00:06:33,090 --> 00:06:36,180 So in a lot of other tests, you count how many they get. 157 00:06:36,180 --> 00:06:37,970 But in the Goldman Fristoe you're 158 00:06:37,970 --> 00:06:40,710 counting how many the client made errors on. 159 00:06:40,710 --> 00:06:42,290 So you want to know how many errors 160 00:06:42,290 --> 00:06:45,120 did they make in the initial, medial, and final. 161 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,870 You'll do that for both columns. 162 00:06:47,870 --> 00:06:50,030 And then you're going to do your raw score 163 00:06:50,030 --> 00:06:52,290 as the total number of errors. 164 00:06:52,290 --> 00:06:54,710 And then that score will get transferred right here 165 00:06:54,710 --> 00:06:59,210 onto the front, so raw score for sounds and words. 166 00:06:59,210 --> 00:07:02,550 And then the same thing for sounds in sentences-- 167 00:07:02,550 --> 00:07:04,550 so when you look, for this one, you 168 00:07:04,550 --> 00:07:08,250 want to make sure that you're starting at the right spot. 169 00:07:08,250 --> 00:07:11,230 So here, see here for the sounds in words-- 170 00:07:11,230 --> 00:07:13,890 it's all the same age. 171 00:07:13,890 --> 00:07:16,770 But for sounds in sentences, you have different spots 172 00:07:16,770 --> 00:07:19,660 that you would start on the protocol. 173 00:07:19,660 --> 00:07:21,310 But it's all one protocol. 174 00:07:21,310 --> 00:07:23,190 You don't need a different one. 175 00:07:23,190 --> 00:07:26,880 So again, counting the errors and then putting 176 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,760 those on the front. 177 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:33,130 Once you've calculated your raw score, the number of errors, 178 00:07:33,130 --> 00:07:36,360 then it's going to be time to go to Appendix A in your manual 179 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,130 to be able to transfer those to standard scores. 180 00:07:39,130 --> 00:07:40,920 So some of the most common mistakes 181 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,290 that I see students make are instead 182 00:07:43,290 --> 00:07:45,910 of looking at the sounds in words, 183 00:07:45,910 --> 00:07:50,790 they go to the sounds in sentences, which is much later 184 00:07:50,790 --> 00:07:53,230 in the book right here. 185 00:07:53,230 --> 00:07:56,410 So that's one of the biggest mistakes I see. 186 00:07:56,410 --> 00:07:59,730 And then the other one is not making a distinction 187 00:07:59,730 --> 00:08:01,300 between male and female. 188 00:08:01,300 --> 00:08:03,370 These are super easy mistakes to make. 189 00:08:03,370 --> 00:08:05,340 So just be really cautious when you're doing 190 00:08:05,340 --> 00:08:07,710 this, when you're scoring, that you're paying attention 191 00:08:07,710 --> 00:08:10,300 to make sure you're looking at the right category, 192 00:08:10,300 --> 00:08:12,280 and then you're looking at male or female 193 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,700 because there are vast differences between males 194 00:08:14,700 --> 00:08:16,620 and females, especially at the younger 195 00:08:16,620 --> 00:08:18,362 ages, when it comes to speech. 196 00:08:18,362 --> 00:08:20,070 So we want to make sure that we're giving 197 00:08:20,070 --> 00:08:22,030 the child the correct score. 198 00:08:22,030 --> 00:08:23,850 So the way that you score it is you're 199 00:08:23,850 --> 00:08:26,670 going to find the child's raw scores, so again, those number 200 00:08:26,670 --> 00:08:28,680 of errors that child makes. 201 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:30,970 And that raw score is going to be here. 202 00:08:30,970 --> 00:08:33,179 And then you're going to find the standard score that 203 00:08:33,179 --> 00:08:36,580 coordinates with that and then choose the confidence interval. 204 00:08:36,580 --> 00:08:40,289 Most people will use the 95% confidence interval. 205 00:08:40,289 --> 00:08:43,440 I should say most people within the clinic 206 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,450 that I work in the university here will use that 95. 207 00:08:46,450 --> 00:08:49,480 But you might find people who like that 90% more. 208 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:51,480 And then percentile rank just tells you 209 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:55,290 where that particular client is sitting as far as how they're 210 00:08:55,290 --> 00:08:57,000 doing compared to others. 211 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,800 One of the little tricks that I learned in grad school, 212 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:03,120 and I still use it today, is using a piece of paper 213 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:04,270 to help line up. 214 00:09:04,270 --> 00:09:07,290 So if your raw score is 52, just putting that paper right 215 00:09:07,290 --> 00:09:09,550 underneath, knowing that your standard score, 216 00:09:09,550 --> 00:09:12,040 then, would be 108. 217 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,900 If you want to use the 95% confidence interval, 218 00:09:14,900 --> 00:09:21,080 it would be 104 to 112, and 70th percentile. 219 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:22,040 So that just helps. 220 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:23,560 And this would be for a child who's 221 00:09:23,560 --> 00:09:26,240 two years to two years, one month. 222 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,150 And that would be a female versus the male-- 223 00:09:29,150 --> 00:09:31,370 see how the scores are different. 224 00:09:31,370 --> 00:09:33,980 So we do want to make sure that we're keeping that in mind. 225 00:09:33,980 --> 00:09:35,355 So that little paper, that's just 226 00:09:35,355 --> 00:09:38,260 a little trick that I use to help me to not go off 227 00:09:38,260 --> 00:09:40,570 of the lines. 228 00:09:40,570 --> 00:09:42,370 And then that is exactly the same 229 00:09:42,370 --> 00:09:45,310 for when you want to do sounds in sentences, also 230 00:09:45,310 --> 00:09:49,930 your raw score, standard score, percentile, and your confidence 231 00:09:49,930 --> 00:09:52,420 intervals as well. 232 00:09:52,420 --> 00:09:55,960 You also will see on the front of the record form 233 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:57,950 that there is an age equivalent. 234 00:09:57,950 --> 00:10:00,160 A lot of people don't like this, but if you 235 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,150 do want to get that age equivalent, 236 00:10:02,150 --> 00:10:05,950 it is here in Table B. And that's actually 237 00:10:05,950 --> 00:10:09,740 Appendix B after all of your standard scores. 238 00:10:09,740 --> 00:10:12,510 You'll have that gross scale, and you'll 239 00:10:12,510 --> 00:10:13,800 have that age equivalence. 240 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:15,300 Again, there are a lot of people who 241 00:10:15,300 --> 00:10:17,760 don't like the age equivalence, so you might not 242 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:19,060 need to report that. 243 00:10:19,060 --> 00:10:20,760 But you're going to find the raw score 244 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,400 and then find the age that corresponds, again, 245 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,980 selected from male and female, and make 246 00:10:25,980 --> 00:10:27,460 sure you're in the right age. 247 00:10:27,460 --> 00:10:32,230 So make sure that you are sounds in words, sounds in sentences, 248 00:10:32,230 --> 00:10:34,930 and here are the age ranges, so again, 249 00:10:34,930 --> 00:10:37,240 just making sure that you're paying attention to that. 250 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,970 So those are your age equivalents. 251 00:10:39,970 --> 00:10:46,170 And the next page over is your growth scale values as well. 252 00:10:46,170 --> 00:10:49,050 Another really great tool that can be found in the manual 253 00:10:49,050 --> 00:10:51,750 as well, on page 38, you will see 254 00:10:51,750 --> 00:10:54,400 that there are guidelines for the severity rating, 255 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,210 so being able to describe the severity 256 00:10:57,210 --> 00:10:59,320 of this particular client's speech. 257 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:00,510 So take a look here. 258 00:11:00,510 --> 00:11:04,080 You can see that these are your test scores and then 259 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,870 the classification for those particular scores. 260 00:11:07,870 --> 00:11:10,300 And then it gives you that relationship to the mean, 261 00:11:10,300 --> 00:11:12,970 so where are they falling within the standard deviation. 262 00:11:12,970 --> 00:11:15,060 So that is going to be really good for when you're 263 00:11:15,060 --> 00:11:17,970 writing your report as well. 264 00:11:17,970 --> 00:11:21,250 One last thing to wrap up the Goldman Fristoe-- 265 00:11:21,250 --> 00:11:23,160 it's also really important to make 266 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:28,660 sure that you take note of differences in our languages, 267 00:11:28,660 --> 00:11:31,170 so making sure that you take into account language 268 00:11:31,170 --> 00:11:34,350 differences and cultural differences, which can be found 269 00:11:34,350 --> 00:11:37,350 in Appendix E. And that is really great 270 00:11:37,350 --> 00:11:40,860 because it will give you examples of differences that 271 00:11:40,860 --> 00:11:46,740 are prevalent in different kinds of multilingual speakers or just 272 00:11:46,740 --> 00:11:47,740 bilingual speakers. 273 00:11:47,740 --> 00:11:51,010 But it lets you know the differences that are permitted. 274 00:11:51,010 --> 00:11:53,850 So, for example, that [VOCALIZATION] sound 275 00:11:53,850 --> 00:11:56,740 can be unaspirated in the medial position 276 00:11:56,740 --> 00:11:59,190 if you are talking about African-American 277 00:11:59,190 --> 00:12:02,530 English versus a standard American English. 278 00:12:02,530 --> 00:12:06,630 So just keep in mind that before you mark a child as producing 279 00:12:06,630 --> 00:12:09,700 something incorrectly that you are thinking about, 280 00:12:09,700 --> 00:12:11,470 is this Spanish influenced? 281 00:12:11,470 --> 00:12:13,680 Is there some kind of Asian influence? 282 00:12:13,680 --> 00:12:16,840 And making sure that, if that is not in this book, 283 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:18,610 if your child speaks a different language, 284 00:12:18,610 --> 00:12:21,810 that you do your due diligence and you look up 285 00:12:21,810 --> 00:12:24,990 and make sure that you are not counting a child for producing 286 00:12:24,990 --> 00:12:27,570 something incorrectly when, in reality, it's 287 00:12:27,570 --> 00:12:29,650 nothing more than a language difference. 288 00:12:29,650 --> 00:12:31,060 So hopefully that was helpful. 289 00:12:31,060 --> 00:12:33,150 Hopefully, that gives you a good idea 290 00:12:33,150 --> 00:12:35,500 of how to administer the Goldman Fristoe. 291 00:12:35,500 --> 00:12:37,930 It's a really easy test to administer. 292 00:12:37,930 --> 00:12:39,870 And one little thing that I like to say 293 00:12:39,870 --> 00:12:42,880 to kids who are a little resistant to get them going 294 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,120 is I say, oh my goodness, I'm going 295 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,790 to look at how incredibly smart you are. 296 00:12:47,790 --> 00:12:49,290 So we are going to look at pictures, 297 00:12:49,290 --> 00:12:53,020 and you're going to show off how so totally smart you are. 298 00:12:53,020 --> 00:12:55,060 So while this works with little bitty kids, 299 00:12:55,060 --> 00:12:58,470 I obviously do not recommend doing this with older kids 300 00:12:58,470 --> 00:13:00,130 or with your adult clients. 301 00:13:00,130 --> 00:13:02,850 But that's just one little trick I've learned with my little peds 302 00:13:02,850 --> 00:13:05,770 that if you ask them to show you how smart they are, 303 00:13:05,770 --> 00:13:09,180 they generally are more prone to get involved and start 304 00:13:09,180 --> 00:13:10,570 naming off pictures. 305 00:13:10,570 --> 00:13:11,620 Hopefully, that helps. 306 00:13:11,620 --> 00:13:14,150 Let me know if you have any questions.