0:00:00.130,0:00:01.130 Okay. 0:00:01.130,0:00:05.290 I think folks are going to like this follow[br]up on the Gavin McInnes situation. 0:00:05.290,0:00:06.960 So Gavin McInnes is 0:00:06.960,0:00:10.200 formerly one of the are, he is one of the[br]founders of vice. 0:00:10.200,0:00:12.950 He hasn't been involved with vice for a very[br]long time. 0:00:12.950,0:00:17.400 He was one of the cofounders of the proud[br]boys, although I am told he has since distanced 0:00:17.400,0:00:19.560 himself from that extremist group. 0:00:19.560,0:00:23.910 Uh, in any case, the newest thing he's doing[br]is he has a new show and I was invited onto 0:00:23.910,0:00:24.910 that program. 0:00:24.910,0:00:30.140 I told you last week how, uh, I was offered,[br]um, a whole bunch of money to be on that program. 0:00:30.140,0:00:35.770 Others have reported, uh, including Sam Cedar[br]being offered $5,000 to appear on Gavin McInnes 0:00:35.770,0:00:40.650 program, which is a pay walled program, meaning[br]you only can see the content if you become 0:00:40.650,0:00:41.750 a paid subscriber. 0:00:41.750,0:00:47.370 Uh, my manager actually did some negotiation[br]with the Gavin McInnes team, which may have 0:00:47.370,0:00:52.500 been actually just Gavin McInnes communicating[br]with my manager under a different name and 0:00:52.500,0:00:57.210 was able to actually negotiate, um, uh, a[br]pretty substantial rate. 0:00:57.210,0:01:02.170 And in the midst of this negotiation that[br]was going on, I received a phone call from 0:01:02.170,0:01:08.069 a guy named Jim telling me that I should appear[br]on Gavin McInnes his show who we later determined 0:01:08.069,0:01:13.060 with like 99.9% certainty was actually Gavin[br]McInnes himself. 0:01:13.060,0:01:14.650 Here's a reminder about that. 0:01:14.650,0:01:20.219 Okay, let's go next to our caller from the[br]two five, three area code. 0:01:20.219,0:01:22.350 Who's calling today from two five three. 0:01:22.350,0:01:29.170 Hey David, it's a gym and I just wanted to[br]say a longtime listener. 0:01:29.170,0:01:30.420 First time caller. 0:01:30.420,0:01:31.420 Love Ya. 0:01:31.420,0:01:36.399 And I just wanted to talk about the green[br]new deal and just see what ideas you had about 0:01:36.399,0:01:39.170 maybe getting that pushed through. 0:01:39.170,0:01:46.079 And also I'm a guy I despise up on my youtube[br]the other day on a commercial Gavin McInnes 0:01:46.079,0:01:48.740 on this new show free speech. 0:01:48.740,0:01:52.399 And I was trying to click out of it right[br]away and then all of a sudden I saw Dr Cornell 0:01:52.399,0:01:54.829 West and Marc Lamont Hill on the show. 0:01:54.829,0:01:55.829 Yeah. 0:01:55.829,0:02:01.579 And I actually checked it out and um, it's[br]a cool show in regards to just liberals, uh, 0:02:01.579,0:02:03.829 nailing, uh, Gavin. 0:02:03.829,0:02:06.679 And it was so awesome to watch, especially[br]Marc Lamont Hill. 0:02:06.679,0:02:11.940 I canceled my subscription because I saw all[br]the shows, but I just thought it'd be awesome 0:02:11.940,0:02:14.450 if you could get on his show and destroy him. 0:02:14.450,0:02:15.450 So hold on. 0:02:15.450,0:02:17.730 You said you canceled your subscription to[br]what? 0:02:17.730,0:02:22.040 Oh, I signed up just to wash the doctor Lamont[br]Hill. 0:02:22.040,0:02:23.140 Oh, I see. 0:02:23.140,0:02:24.140 I see. 0:02:24.140,0:02:25.140 Cornell slash 0:02:25.140,0:02:26.570 the speech. 0:02:26.570,0:02:32.460 So then Sam Cedar from the majority report[br]later did a segment explaining that he also 0:02:32.460,0:02:36.200 had been invited to appear on Gavin McInnes[br]his program. 0:02:36.200,0:02:40.870 He also talked about this call I received[br]from quote Jim, who appears to really have 0:02:40.870,0:02:42.140 been Gavin himself. 0:02:42.140,0:02:46.200 Uh, Anna Casp, Berrien from the young Turks[br]was also invited. 0:02:46.200,0:02:52.540 She did a segment about it in the last day[br]or two and uh, covered that as well as a salmon. 0:02:52.540,0:02:58.930 I being invited onto the program to appear[br]with Gavin McInnes and now hilariously, Gavin 0:02:58.930,0:03:05.990 himself has done an entire episode attacking[br]us because despite the offer of money, we 0:03:05.990,0:03:11.410 have at least so far refused to appear on[br]his program, which is hilarious because if 0:03:11.410,0:03:17.500 we will only, so if we get invited with no[br]with no money being on the table and we refuse 0:03:17.500,0:03:22.940 to appear, we are not willing to engage with[br]the other side or whatever. 0:03:22.940,0:03:29.180 If we are offered money and appear, then it's,[br]well, we're only appearing because we were 0:03:29.180,0:03:33.100 given money, not because we actually want[br]to engage with the other side. 0:03:33.100,0:03:38.500 If we turn down the appearance despite the[br]offer of thousands and thousands of dollars 0:03:38.500,0:03:44.290 to appear, uh, then all of a sudden the problem[br]is that we are just not willing to engage 0:03:44.290,0:03:45.290 with the other side. 0:03:45.290,0:03:50.740 Even though you would think that it would[br]be a sign of a sort of, uh, the, the, uh, 0:03:50.740,0:03:55.890 the, the fact that we are not going to be[br]tainted or influenced by the money alone. 0:03:55.890,0:03:59.569 We are going to actually make decisions about[br]what appearances do and don't make sense. 0:03:59.569,0:04:00.990 So check this out. 0:04:00.990,0:04:08.230 This is a tweeted screenshot promoting this[br]event where Gavin says, this episode, this 0:04:08.230,0:04:14.740 entire episode is dedicated to Anna Cas, Berrien,[br]Sam Cedar, and David Pacman who appeared to 0:04:14.740,0:04:19.200 be outraged that Gavin offered the money to[br]debate a conservative. 0:04:19.200,0:04:22.029 Why is it so hard to get liberal guests? 0:04:22.029,0:04:27.700 Why do they consistently refuse to compete[br]in the marketplace of ideas? 0:04:27.700,0:04:31.230 And people actually wrote to me and they said,[br]David, you really should address this. 0:04:31.230,0:04:36.530 Like why not just appear and compete in the[br]marketplace of ideas with Gavin? 0:04:36.530,0:04:42.410 What's important for you to understand is[br]that the pitch was not debate Gavin McInnes 0:04:42.410,0:04:49.540 about this topic or that topic or the corrosive[br]nature of his influence on the political discourse. 0:04:49.540,0:04:56.230 The invitation was show up and have Gavin[br]McInnes play talk show host and moderate a 0:04:56.230,0:05:02.380 discussion between David Pakman in some conservative[br]Sam Cedar in some conservative and a cast 0:05:02.380,0:05:03.900 Berrien and some conservative. 0:05:03.900,0:05:09.740 And the, the problem I have with this, and[br]I've talked to Sam about this as well, is 0:05:09.740,0:05:14.790 that I feel as though I'm contributing to[br]the whitewashing of Gavin McInnes in a way 0:05:14.790,0:05:16.900 that I was not immediately comfortable with. 0:05:16.900,0:05:19.350 And to be clear, I have not actually turned[br]this down. 0:05:19.350,0:05:23.520 The reality is I can't go to New York City[br]and do this until the fall anyway. 0:05:23.520,0:05:28.160 I'm traveling every single week between now[br]and Labor Day and we have the David Pakman 0:05:28.160,0:05:31.020 show, summer vacation coming up for which[br]I'll be out of the country. 0:05:31.020,0:05:33.130 So we basically just tabled it. 0:05:33.130,0:05:36.680 He, I guess, interpreted it as I'm turning[br]down the appearance. 0:05:36.680,0:05:42.470 I'm open in principle to appearing on Gavin[br]McInnes his program. 0:05:42.470,0:05:46.910 But what I feel is the real problem here is[br]that number one, again, by allowing him to 0:05:46.910,0:05:51.580 play talk, show host and moderate a discussion[br]between another conservative and me. 0:05:51.580,0:05:57.350 Uh, I'm sort of whitewash ng mcinnis and again[br]these are videos that would be paywalls just 0:05:57.350,0:05:58.650 for his paid audience. 0:05:58.650,0:06:05.580 The last thing I want to do is give this guy[br]paid subscribers by allowing him to promote 0:06:05.580,0:06:10.750 an appearance that I did with someone else[br]that contributes to the white washing of Gavin 0:06:10.750,0:06:15.449 McInnes and may actually get people to sign[br]up and pay for his program. 0:06:15.449,0:06:16.970 Now I'm curious. 0:06:16.970,0:06:21.880 I haven't, again, because the show is paywalls,[br]I have no idea what was actually said during 0:06:21.880,0:06:23.070 this episode. 0:06:23.070,0:06:28.580 I'm curious whether he addresses the fact[br]that he called into my show pretending to 0:06:28.580,0:06:34.970 be a guy named Jim, suggesting that I should[br]really as a leftist go and appear on Gavin 0:06:34.970,0:06:35.970 McInnes his program. 0:06:35.970,0:06:39.250 I don't know if somebody has a subscription[br]to his program. 0:06:39.250,0:06:40.560 Maybe they can tell me if that comes up. 0:06:40.560,0:00:00.000 My guess is it does not come up.