Okay.
I think folks are going to like this follow up on the Gavin McInnes situation.
So Gavin McInnes is
formerly one of the are, he is one of the founders of vice.
He hasn't been involved with vice for a very long time.
He was one of the cofounders of the proud boys, although I am told he has since distanced
himself from that extremist group.
Uh, in any case, the newest thing he's doing is he has a new show and I was invited onto
that program.
I told you last week how, uh, I was offered, um, a whole bunch of money to be on that program.
Others have reported, uh, including Sam Cedar being offered $5,000 to appear on Gavin McInnes
program, which is a pay walled program, meaning you only can see the content if you become
a paid subscriber.
Uh, my manager actually did some negotiation with the Gavin McInnes team, which may have
been actually just Gavin McInnes communicating with my manager under a different name and
was able to actually negotiate, um, uh, a pretty substantial rate.
And in the midst of this negotiation that was going on, I received a phone call from
a guy named Jim telling me that I should appear on Gavin McInnes his show who we later determined
with like 99.9% certainty was actually Gavin McInnes himself.
Here's a reminder about that.
Okay, let's go next to our caller from the two five, three area code.
Who's calling today from two five three.
Hey David, it's a gym and I just wanted to say a longtime listener.
First time caller.
Love Ya.
And I just wanted to talk about the green new deal and just see what ideas you had about
maybe getting that pushed through.
And also I'm a guy I despise up on my youtube the other day on a commercial Gavin McInnes
on this new show free speech.
And I was trying to click out of it right away and then all of a sudden I saw Dr Cornell
West and Marc Lamont Hill on the show.
Yeah.
And I actually checked it out and um, it's a cool show in regards to just liberals, uh,
nailing, uh, Gavin.
And it was so awesome to watch, especially Marc Lamont Hill.
I canceled my subscription because I saw all the shows, but I just thought it'd be awesome
if you could get on his show and destroy him.
So hold on.
You said you canceled your subscription to what?
Oh, I signed up just to wash the doctor Lamont Hill.
Oh, I see.
I see.
Cornell slash
the speech.
So then Sam Cedar from the majority report later did a segment explaining that he also
had been invited to appear on Gavin McInnes his program.
He also talked about this call I received from quote Jim, who appears to really have
been Gavin himself.
Uh, Anna Casp, Berrien from the young Turks was also invited.
She did a segment about it in the last day or two and uh, covered that as well as a salmon.
I being invited onto the program to appear with Gavin McInnes and now hilariously, Gavin
himself has done an entire episode attacking us because despite the offer of money, we
have at least so far refused to appear on his program, which is hilarious because if
we will only, so if we get invited with no with no money being on the table and we refuse
to appear, we are not willing to engage with the other side or whatever.
If we are offered money and appear, then it's, well, we're only appearing because we were
given money, not because we actually want to engage with the other side.
If we turn down the appearance despite the offer of thousands and thousands of dollars
to appear, uh, then all of a sudden the problem is that we are just not willing to engage
with the other side.
Even though you would think that it would be a sign of a sort of, uh, the, the, uh,
the, the fact that we are not going to be tainted or influenced by the money alone.
We are going to actually make decisions about what appearances do and don't make sense.
So check this out.
This is a tweeted screenshot promoting this event where Gavin says, this episode, this
entire episode is dedicated to Anna Cas, Berrien, Sam Cedar, and David Pacman who appeared to
be outraged that Gavin offered the money to debate a conservative.
Why is it so hard to get liberal guests?
Why do they consistently refuse to compete in the marketplace of ideas?
And people actually wrote to me and they said, David, you really should address this.
Like why not just appear and compete in the marketplace of ideas with Gavin?
What's important for you to understand is that the pitch was not debate Gavin McInnes
about this topic or that topic or the corrosive nature of his influence on the political discourse.
The invitation was show up and have Gavin McInnes play talk show host and moderate a
discussion between David Pakman in some conservative Sam Cedar in some conservative and a cast
Berrien and some conservative.
And the, the problem I have with this, and I've talked to Sam about this as well, is
that I feel as though I'm contributing to the whitewashing of Gavin McInnes in a way
that I was not immediately comfortable with.
And to be clear, I have not actually turned this down.
The reality is I can't go to New York City and do this until the fall anyway.
I'm traveling every single week between now and Labor Day and we have the David Pakman
show, summer vacation coming up for which I'll be out of the country.
So we basically just tabled it.
He, I guess, interpreted it as I'm turning down the appearance.
I'm open in principle to appearing on Gavin McInnes his program.
But what I feel is the real problem here is that number one, again, by allowing him to
play talk, show host and moderate a discussion between another conservative and me.
Uh, I'm sort of whitewash ng mcinnis and again these are videos that would be paywalls just
for his paid audience.
The last thing I want to do is give this guy paid subscribers by allowing him to promote
an appearance that I did with someone else that contributes to the white washing of Gavin
McInnes and may actually get people to sign up and pay for his program.
Now I'm curious.
I haven't, again, because the show is paywalls, I have no idea what was actually said during
this episode.
I'm curious whether he addresses the fact that he called into my show pretending to
be a guy named Jim, suggesting that I should really as a leftist go and appear on Gavin
McInnes his program.
I don't know if somebody has a subscription to his program.
Maybe they can tell me if that comes up.
My guess is it does not come up.