1 00:00:00,130 --> 00:00:01,130 Okay. 2 00:00:01,130 --> 00:00:05,290 I think folks are going to like this follow up on the Gavin McInnes situation. 3 00:00:05,290 --> 00:00:06,960 So Gavin McInnes is 4 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:10,200 formerly one of the are, he is one of the founders of vice. 5 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:12,950 He hasn't been involved with vice for a very long time. 6 00:00:12,950 --> 00:00:17,400 He was one of the cofounders of the proud boys, although I am told he has since distanced 7 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:19,560 himself from that extremist group. 8 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:23,910 Uh, in any case, the newest thing he's doing is he has a new show and I was invited onto 9 00:00:23,910 --> 00:00:24,910 that program. 10 00:00:24,910 --> 00:00:30,140 I told you last week how, uh, I was offered, um, a whole bunch of money to be on that program. 11 00:00:30,140 --> 00:00:35,770 Others have reported, uh, including Sam Cedar being offered $5,000 to appear on Gavin McInnes 12 00:00:35,770 --> 00:00:40,650 program, which is a pay walled program, meaning you only can see the content if you become 13 00:00:40,650 --> 00:00:41,750 a paid subscriber. 14 00:00:41,750 --> 00:00:47,370 Uh, my manager actually did some negotiation with the Gavin McInnes team, which may have 15 00:00:47,370 --> 00:00:52,500 been actually just Gavin McInnes communicating with my manager under a different name and 16 00:00:52,500 --> 00:00:57,210 was able to actually negotiate, um, uh, a pretty substantial rate. 17 00:00:57,210 --> 00:01:02,170 And in the midst of this negotiation that was going on, I received a phone call from 18 00:01:02,170 --> 00:01:08,069 a guy named Jim telling me that I should appear on Gavin McInnes his show who we later determined 19 00:01:08,069 --> 00:01:13,060 with like 99.9% certainty was actually Gavin McInnes himself. 20 00:01:13,060 --> 00:01:14,650 Here's a reminder about that. 21 00:01:14,650 --> 00:01:20,219 Okay, let's go next to our caller from the two five, three area code. 22 00:01:20,219 --> 00:01:22,350 Who's calling today from two five three. 23 00:01:22,350 --> 00:01:29,170 Hey David, it's a gym and I just wanted to say a longtime listener. 24 00:01:29,170 --> 00:01:30,420 First time caller. 25 00:01:30,420 --> 00:01:31,420 Love Ya. 26 00:01:31,420 --> 00:01:36,399 And I just wanted to talk about the green new deal and just see what ideas you had about 27 00:01:36,399 --> 00:01:39,170 maybe getting that pushed through. 28 00:01:39,170 --> 00:01:46,079 And also I'm a guy I despise up on my youtube the other day on a commercial Gavin McInnes 29 00:01:46,079 --> 00:01:48,740 on this new show free speech. 30 00:01:48,740 --> 00:01:52,399 And I was trying to click out of it right away and then all of a sudden I saw Dr Cornell 31 00:01:52,399 --> 00:01:54,829 West and Marc Lamont Hill on the show. 32 00:01:54,829 --> 00:01:55,829 Yeah. 33 00:01:55,829 --> 00:02:01,579 And I actually checked it out and um, it's a cool show in regards to just liberals, uh, 34 00:02:01,579 --> 00:02:03,829 nailing, uh, Gavin. 35 00:02:03,829 --> 00:02:06,679 And it was so awesome to watch, especially Marc Lamont Hill. 36 00:02:06,679 --> 00:02:11,940 I canceled my subscription because I saw all the shows, but I just thought it'd be awesome 37 00:02:11,940 --> 00:02:14,450 if you could get on his show and destroy him. 38 00:02:14,450 --> 00:02:15,450 So hold on. 39 00:02:15,450 --> 00:02:17,730 You said you canceled your subscription to what? 40 00:02:17,730 --> 00:02:22,040 Oh, I signed up just to wash the doctor Lamont Hill. 41 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:23,140 Oh, I see. 42 00:02:23,140 --> 00:02:24,140 I see. 43 00:02:24,140 --> 00:02:25,140 Cornell slash 44 00:02:25,140 --> 00:02:26,570 the speech. 45 00:02:26,570 --> 00:02:32,460 So then Sam Cedar from the majority report later did a segment explaining that he also 46 00:02:32,460 --> 00:02:36,200 had been invited to appear on Gavin McInnes his program. 47 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:40,870 He also talked about this call I received from quote Jim, who appears to really have 48 00:02:40,870 --> 00:02:42,140 been Gavin himself. 49 00:02:42,140 --> 00:02:46,200 Uh, Anna Casp, Berrien from the young Turks was also invited. 50 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:52,540 She did a segment about it in the last day or two and uh, covered that as well as a salmon. 51 00:02:52,540 --> 00:02:58,930 I being invited onto the program to appear with Gavin McInnes and now hilariously, Gavin 52 00:02:58,930 --> 00:03:05,990 himself has done an entire episode attacking us because despite the offer of money, we 53 00:03:05,990 --> 00:03:11,410 have at least so far refused to appear on his program, which is hilarious because if 54 00:03:11,410 --> 00:03:17,500 we will only, so if we get invited with no with no money being on the table and we refuse 55 00:03:17,500 --> 00:03:22,940 to appear, we are not willing to engage with the other side or whatever. 56 00:03:22,940 --> 00:03:29,180 If we are offered money and appear, then it's, well, we're only appearing because we were 57 00:03:29,180 --> 00:03:33,100 given money, not because we actually want to engage with the other side. 58 00:03:33,100 --> 00:03:38,500 If we turn down the appearance despite the offer of thousands and thousands of dollars 59 00:03:38,500 --> 00:03:44,290 to appear, uh, then all of a sudden the problem is that we are just not willing to engage 60 00:03:44,290 --> 00:03:45,290 with the other side. 61 00:03:45,290 --> 00:03:50,740 Even though you would think that it would be a sign of a sort of, uh, the, the, uh, 62 00:03:50,740 --> 00:03:55,890 the, the fact that we are not going to be tainted or influenced by the money alone. 63 00:03:55,890 --> 00:03:59,569 We are going to actually make decisions about what appearances do and don't make sense. 64 00:03:59,569 --> 00:04:00,990 So check this out. 65 00:04:00,990 --> 00:04:08,230 This is a tweeted screenshot promoting this event where Gavin says, this episode, this 66 00:04:08,230 --> 00:04:14,740 entire episode is dedicated to Anna Cas, Berrien, Sam Cedar, and David Pacman who appeared to 67 00:04:14,740 --> 00:04:19,200 be outraged that Gavin offered the money to debate a conservative. 68 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,029 Why is it so hard to get liberal guests? 69 00:04:22,029 --> 00:04:27,700 Why do they consistently refuse to compete in the marketplace of ideas? 70 00:04:27,700 --> 00:04:31,230 And people actually wrote to me and they said, David, you really should address this. 71 00:04:31,230 --> 00:04:36,530 Like why not just appear and compete in the marketplace of ideas with Gavin? 72 00:04:36,530 --> 00:04:42,410 What's important for you to understand is that the pitch was not debate Gavin McInnes 73 00:04:42,410 --> 00:04:49,540 about this topic or that topic or the corrosive nature of his influence on the political discourse. 74 00:04:49,540 --> 00:04:56,230 The invitation was show up and have Gavin McInnes play talk show host and moderate a 75 00:04:56,230 --> 00:05:02,380 discussion between David Pakman in some conservative Sam Cedar in some conservative and a cast 76 00:05:02,380 --> 00:05:03,900 Berrien and some conservative. 77 00:05:03,900 --> 00:05:09,740 And the, the problem I have with this, and I've talked to Sam about this as well, is 78 00:05:09,740 --> 00:05:14,790 that I feel as though I'm contributing to the whitewashing of Gavin McInnes in a way 79 00:05:14,790 --> 00:05:16,900 that I was not immediately comfortable with. 80 00:05:16,900 --> 00:05:19,350 And to be clear, I have not actually turned this down. 81 00:05:19,350 --> 00:05:23,520 The reality is I can't go to New York City and do this until the fall anyway. 82 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:28,160 I'm traveling every single week between now and Labor Day and we have the David Pakman 83 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,020 show, summer vacation coming up for which I'll be out of the country. 84 00:05:31,020 --> 00:05:33,130 So we basically just tabled it. 85 00:05:33,130 --> 00:05:36,680 He, I guess, interpreted it as I'm turning down the appearance. 86 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:42,470 I'm open in principle to appearing on Gavin McInnes his program. 87 00:05:42,470 --> 00:05:46,910 But what I feel is the real problem here is that number one, again, by allowing him to 88 00:05:46,910 --> 00:05:51,580 play talk, show host and moderate a discussion between another conservative and me. 89 00:05:51,580 --> 00:05:57,350 Uh, I'm sort of whitewash ng mcinnis and again these are videos that would be paywalls just 90 00:05:57,350 --> 00:05:58,650 for his paid audience. 91 00:05:58,650 --> 00:06:05,580 The last thing I want to do is give this guy paid subscribers by allowing him to promote 92 00:06:05,580 --> 00:06:10,750 an appearance that I did with someone else that contributes to the white washing of Gavin 93 00:06:10,750 --> 00:06:15,449 McInnes and may actually get people to sign up and pay for his program. 94 00:06:15,449 --> 00:06:16,970 Now I'm curious. 95 00:06:16,970 --> 00:06:21,880 I haven't, again, because the show is paywalls, I have no idea what was actually said during 96 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:23,070 this episode. 97 00:06:23,070 --> 00:06:28,580 I'm curious whether he addresses the fact that he called into my show pretending to 98 00:06:28,580 --> 00:06:34,970 be a guy named Jim, suggesting that I should really as a leftist go and appear on Gavin 99 00:06:34,970 --> 00:06:35,970 McInnes his program. 100 00:06:35,970 --> 00:06:39,250 I don't know if somebody has a subscription to his program. 101 00:06:39,250 --> 00:06:40,560 Maybe they can tell me if that comes up. 102 00:06:40,560 --> 00:00:00,000 My guess is it does not come up.