WEBVTT 00:00:00.130 --> 00:00:01.130 Okay. 00:00:01.130 --> 00:00:05.290 I think folks are going to like this follow up on the Gavin McInnes situation. 00:00:05.290 --> 00:00:06.960 So Gavin McInnes is 00:00:06.960 --> 00:00:10.200 formerly one of the are, he is one of the founders of vice. 00:00:10.200 --> 00:00:12.950 He hasn't been involved with vice for a very long time. 00:00:12.950 --> 00:00:17.400 He was one of the cofounders of the proud boys, although I am told he has since distanced 00:00:17.400 --> 00:00:19.560 himself from that extremist group. 00:00:19.560 --> 00:00:23.910 Uh, in any case, the newest thing he's doing is he has a new show and I was invited onto 00:00:23.910 --> 00:00:24.910 that program. 00:00:24.910 --> 00:00:30.140 I told you last week how, uh, I was offered, um, a whole bunch of money to be on that program. 00:00:30.140 --> 00:00:35.770 Others have reported, uh, including Sam Cedar being offered $5,000 to appear on Gavin McInnes 00:00:35.770 --> 00:00:40.650 program, which is a pay walled program, meaning you only can see the content if you become 00:00:40.650 --> 00:00:41.750 a paid subscriber. 00:00:41.750 --> 00:00:47.370 Uh, my manager actually did some negotiation with the Gavin McInnes team, which may have 00:00:47.370 --> 00:00:52.500 been actually just Gavin McInnes communicating with my manager under a different name and 00:00:52.500 --> 00:00:57.210 was able to actually negotiate, um, uh, a pretty substantial rate. 00:00:57.210 --> 00:01:02.170 And in the midst of this negotiation that was going on, I received a phone call from 00:01:02.170 --> 00:01:08.069 a guy named Jim telling me that I should appear on Gavin McInnes his show who we later determined 00:01:08.069 --> 00:01:13.060 with like 99.9% certainty was actually Gavin McInnes himself. 00:01:13.060 --> 00:01:14.650 Here's a reminder about that. 00:01:14.650 --> 00:01:20.219 Okay, let's go next to our caller from the two five, three area code. 00:01:20.219 --> 00:01:22.350 Who's calling today from two five three. 00:01:22.350 --> 00:01:29.170 Hey David, it's a gym and I just wanted to say a longtime listener. 00:01:29.170 --> 00:01:30.420 First time caller. 00:01:30.420 --> 00:01:31.420 Love Ya. 00:01:31.420 --> 00:01:36.399 And I just wanted to talk about the green new deal and just see what ideas you had about 00:01:36.399 --> 00:01:39.170 maybe getting that pushed through. 00:01:39.170 --> 00:01:46.079 And also I'm a guy I despise up on my youtube the other day on a commercial Gavin McInnes 00:01:46.079 --> 00:01:48.740 on this new show free speech. 00:01:48.740 --> 00:01:52.399 And I was trying to click out of it right away and then all of a sudden I saw Dr Cornell 00:01:52.399 --> 00:01:54.829 West and Marc Lamont Hill on the show. 00:01:54.829 --> 00:01:55.829 Yeah. 00:01:55.829 --> 00:02:01.579 And I actually checked it out and um, it's a cool show in regards to just liberals, uh, 00:02:01.579 --> 00:02:03.829 nailing, uh, Gavin. 00:02:03.829 --> 00:02:06.679 And it was so awesome to watch, especially Marc Lamont Hill. 00:02:06.679 --> 00:02:11.940 I canceled my subscription because I saw all the shows, but I just thought it'd be awesome 00:02:11.940 --> 00:02:14.450 if you could get on his show and destroy him. 00:02:14.450 --> 00:02:15.450 So hold on. 00:02:15.450 --> 00:02:17.730 You said you canceled your subscription to what? 00:02:17.730 --> 00:02:22.040 Oh, I signed up just to wash the doctor Lamont Hill. 00:02:22.040 --> 00:02:23.140 Oh, I see. 00:02:23.140 --> 00:02:24.140 I see. 00:02:24.140 --> 00:02:25.140 Cornell slash 00:02:25.140 --> 00:02:26.570 the speech. 00:02:26.570 --> 00:02:32.460 So then Sam Cedar from the majority report later did a segment explaining that he also 00:02:32.460 --> 00:02:36.200 had been invited to appear on Gavin McInnes his program. 00:02:36.200 --> 00:02:40.870 He also talked about this call I received from quote Jim, who appears to really have 00:02:40.870 --> 00:02:42.140 been Gavin himself. 00:02:42.140 --> 00:02:46.200 Uh, Anna Casp, Berrien from the young Turks was also invited. 00:02:46.200 --> 00:02:52.540 She did a segment about it in the last day or two and uh, covered that as well as a salmon. 00:02:52.540 --> 00:02:58.930 I being invited onto the program to appear with Gavin McInnes and now hilariously, Gavin 00:02:58.930 --> 00:03:05.990 himself has done an entire episode attacking us because despite the offer of money, we 00:03:05.990 --> 00:03:11.410 have at least so far refused to appear on his program, which is hilarious because if 00:03:11.410 --> 00:03:17.500 we will only, so if we get invited with no with no money being on the table and we refuse 00:03:17.500 --> 00:03:22.940 to appear, we are not willing to engage with the other side or whatever. 00:03:22.940 --> 00:03:29.180 If we are offered money and appear, then it's, well, we're only appearing because we were 00:03:29.180 --> 00:03:33.100 given money, not because we actually want to engage with the other side. 00:03:33.100 --> 00:03:38.500 If we turn down the appearance despite the offer of thousands and thousands of dollars 00:03:38.500 --> 00:03:44.290 to appear, uh, then all of a sudden the problem is that we are just not willing to engage 00:03:44.290 --> 00:03:45.290 with the other side. 00:03:45.290 --> 00:03:50.740 Even though you would think that it would be a sign of a sort of, uh, the, the, uh, 00:03:50.740 --> 00:03:55.890 the, the fact that we are not going to be tainted or influenced by the money alone. 00:03:55.890 --> 00:03:59.569 We are going to actually make decisions about what appearances do and don't make sense. 00:03:59.569 --> 00:04:00.990 So check this out. 00:04:00.990 --> 00:04:08.230 This is a tweeted screenshot promoting this event where Gavin says, this episode, this 00:04:08.230 --> 00:04:14.740 entire episode is dedicated to Anna Cas, Berrien, Sam Cedar, and David Pacman who appeared to 00:04:14.740 --> 00:04:19.200 be outraged that Gavin offered the money to debate a conservative. 00:04:19.200 --> 00:04:22.029 Why is it so hard to get liberal guests? 00:04:22.029 --> 00:04:27.700 Why do they consistently refuse to compete in the marketplace of ideas? 00:04:27.700 --> 00:04:31.230 And people actually wrote to me and they said, David, you really should address this. 00:04:31.230 --> 00:04:36.530 Like why not just appear and compete in the marketplace of ideas with Gavin? 00:04:36.530 --> 00:04:42.410 What's important for you to understand is that the pitch was not debate Gavin McInnes 00:04:42.410 --> 00:04:49.540 about this topic or that topic or the corrosive nature of his influence on the political discourse. 00:04:49.540 --> 00:04:56.230 The invitation was show up and have Gavin McInnes play talk show host and moderate a 00:04:56.230 --> 00:05:02.380 discussion between David Pakman in some conservative Sam Cedar in some conservative and a cast 00:05:02.380 --> 00:05:03.900 Berrien and some conservative. 00:05:03.900 --> 00:05:09.740 And the, the problem I have with this, and I've talked to Sam about this as well, is 00:05:09.740 --> 00:05:14.790 that I feel as though I'm contributing to the whitewashing of Gavin McInnes in a way 00:05:14.790 --> 00:05:16.900 that I was not immediately comfortable with. 00:05:16.900 --> 00:05:19.350 And to be clear, I have not actually turned this down. 00:05:19.350 --> 00:05:23.520 The reality is I can't go to New York City and do this until the fall anyway. 00:05:23.520 --> 00:05:28.160 I'm traveling every single week between now and Labor Day and we have the David Pakman 00:05:28.160 --> 00:05:31.020 show, summer vacation coming up for which I'll be out of the country. 00:05:31.020 --> 00:05:33.130 So we basically just tabled it. 00:05:33.130 --> 00:05:36.680 He, I guess, interpreted it as I'm turning down the appearance. 00:05:36.680 --> 00:05:42.470 I'm open in principle to appearing on Gavin McInnes his program. 00:05:42.470 --> 00:05:46.910 But what I feel is the real problem here is that number one, again, by allowing him to 00:05:46.910 --> 00:05:51.580 play talk, show host and moderate a discussion between another conservative and me. 00:05:51.580 --> 00:05:57.350 Uh, I'm sort of whitewash ng mcinnis and again these are videos that would be paywalls just 00:05:57.350 --> 00:05:58.650 for his paid audience. 00:05:58.650 --> 00:06:05.580 The last thing I want to do is give this guy paid subscribers by allowing him to promote 00:06:05.580 --> 00:06:10.750 an appearance that I did with someone else that contributes to the white washing of Gavin 00:06:10.750 --> 00:06:15.449 McInnes and may actually get people to sign up and pay for his program. 00:06:15.449 --> 00:06:16.970 Now I'm curious. 00:06:16.970 --> 00:06:21.880 I haven't, again, because the show is paywalls, I have no idea what was actually said during 00:06:21.880 --> 00:06:23.070 this episode. 00:06:23.070 --> 00:06:28.580 I'm curious whether he addresses the fact that he called into my show pretending to 00:06:28.580 --> 00:06:34.970 be a guy named Jim, suggesting that I should really as a leftist go and appear on Gavin 00:06:34.970 --> 00:06:35.970 McInnes his program. 00:06:35.970 --> 00:06:39.250 I don't know if somebody has a subscription to his program. 00:06:39.250 --> 00:06:40.560 Maybe they can tell me if that comes up. 00:06:40.560 --> 00:00:00.000 My guess is it does not come up.