1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,000 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:06,000 TOMER SHARON: こんにちは。私はTOMER SHARONといいます。 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,000 Google検索のユーザーエクスペリエンスリサーチャーであり、 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,000 『Lean User Research』の著者です。 5 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:15,000 私は、あなたが顧客やユーザー、そして潜在的な顧客に対して 6 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,000 より良い質問をし、より良い回答を得る 7 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,000 お手伝いをするためにここにいます。 8 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:24,000 "Converse like a talk show host, think like a writer, 9 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,000 understand subtext like a psychiatrist, 10 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,000 and have an ear like a musician." 11 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,000 This beautiful thing was said about interviewing people. 12 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,000 An interview is gathering information 13 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:38,000 through direct dialogue. 14 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,000 Before you start an interview, though, 15 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,000 ask yourself why before you get into the 16 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,000 how to phrase the questions. 17 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,000 Think about the reason you're there. 18 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,000 What is it that you're trying to learn? 19 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,000 A key aspect of interviewing people 20 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,000 is getting familiar with the phenomenon 21 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,000 that is called rationalization. 22 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,000 Rationalization is when people, when 23 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:04,000 asked about a certain situation that happened in the past, 24 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,000 they tend to change reality a little bit 25 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,000 to be perceived as good people, to be 26 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:10,000 perceived as smart people. 27 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:14,000 The example I have for this is if I have ask you, 28 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:18,000 would you throw a banana peel on the floor if nobody's looking? 29 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,000 You would probably say no, I don't do that. 30 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,000 I'm not that kind of a person. 31 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,000 But given the opportunity that no one is looking, 32 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,000 two weeks from now, you might do that. 33 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,000 And it's not because you're a bad person. 34 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,000 It's not because you don't believe in what you say 35 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,000 or you're trying to lie to me. 36 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:37,000 You rationalize. 37 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,000 You want to be perceived as a good person, 38 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,000 as a helpful person. 39 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:46,000 When you interview people, when you ask people questions, 40 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,000 look for the story. 41 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,000 This is the most important thing in an interview. 42 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,000 Ask about stories, about things that happen. 43 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,000 Ask about behavior. 44 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,000 For example, so in that situation, 45 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,000 you keep quiet and see what people say. 46 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:05,000 Better yet, if possible, ask to observe behavior. 47 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,000 If you're asking how they read email, 48 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,000 how they check their email, ask them to show you that. 49 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,000 Show me how you do that. 50 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:13,000 Ask about perceptions. 51 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,000 Not because you're interested in them, 52 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,000 but because they will help you, again, 53 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,000 to pull out these stories. 54 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,000 For example, what is the difference between X and Y? 55 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,000 Not a very interesting question, but it 56 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,000 might cause them to remember something 57 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,000 about something interesting that happened. 58 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,000 The most important thing in an interview 59 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:36,000 is something that doesn't look like the most important thing-- 60 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:37,000 follow-up questions. 61 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,000 These will tell you, give you, a lot of insight 62 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,000 into what really happened. 63 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,000 Why do you roll your eyes when you say that? 64 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,000 What do you mean? 65 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,000 Why do you call your phone "my third arm"? 66 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:54,000 These are extremely helpful in understanding behavior. 67 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,000 A few don'ts. 68 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,000 Don't ask people about the future. 69 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,000 Three questions product developers tend 70 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:07,000 to ask their interviewees are, would you use the product? 71 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,000 Would you pay for it? 72 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:10,000 And how much you'd pay for it. 73 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,000 These are all very, very bad questions. 74 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:14,000 Why? 75 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,000 Because they ask people to predict the future. 76 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,000 The problem is, people have no idea. 77 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,000 The even bigger problem is that they 78 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,000 think they do have an idea, and they answer. 79 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:29,000 Another don't is about leading the witness. 80 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:33,000 Don't insert your opinion into the questions you're asking, 81 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,000 and then biasing your interviewees 82 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,000 into understanding what you're looking for 83 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,000 and then give you the answers that you want, maybe. 84 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:43,000 Don't intimidate. 85 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:47,000 If you stand over the shoulder of someone who's sitting 86 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,000 and then ask them a question, that 87 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,000 is an intimidating body language. 88 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:52,000 Don't do that. 89 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:56,000 That will affect how they answer your question. 90 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,000 Don't explain the question. 91 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,000 Shut up and see what happens. 92 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,000 When you ask a question, sometimes there's 93 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,000 silence from the other side. 94 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,000 Maybe the person is thinking. 95 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,000 Maybe the person is trying to remember something. 96 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,000 Maybe they don't understand the question. 97 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:14,000 Keep quiet. 98 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,000 Your intuition would be to explain the question. 99 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:18,000 Don't do that. 100 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,000 Just wait a few seconds and see what happens. 101 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,000 People will fill in the gap. 102 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,000 And finally, don't ask for feedback. 103 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,000 This is another very popular thing