1 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Hello, and welcome to EduKatedSTEM. 2 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I am Kate, the founder of EduKatedSTEM, 3 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and today we're going to be talking 4 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 about networking, So sometimes you 5 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 might be qualified for the role. You might 6 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 apply for the role, but you don't even 7 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 get interviewed. And maybe if you had 8 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 utilized your network or had built a network, 9 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you would have a completely different 10 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 outcome. So, this is one of the reasons 11 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 why I'm going to encourage you to develop, 12 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 build a network, and then nurture it so 13 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that when you are ready to move on, 14 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you can work with your network. Let 15 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 them know that you are looking for 16 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 another opportunity, And maybe you 17 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 can utilize them to get informational 18 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 interviews or other things. But the first 19 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 thing is, you need to network. Now, when 20 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I mentioned that word did a chill, go 21 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 down your spine? I've had a lot of 22 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 conversations with individuals who 23 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 think networking has kind of a horrible 24 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 connotation. It's slimy. It is kind of 25 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 using people you know to get your 26 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 own way or for your own benefit. 27 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 But it goes both ways, right? So, 28 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 they're in your network. You could 29 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 potentially help them. They might 30 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 be looking for that as well. And 31 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you're going to be building a network 32 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 of friends and colleagues. So, these 33 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 are going to be people that you want 34 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to be connected with. You're not 35 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 going to be, hopefully meeting someone 36 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that you don't want to be talking 37 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to in the future, because that is going 38 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to be uncomfortable for you. So, let's 39 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 talk about maybe networking at a 40 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 conference because, as a scientist, 41 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 this is what you're going to be doing. 42 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Hopefully you're going to go to a 43 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 conference you're going to listen 44 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to presentations. You're going to 45 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 learn new information. You might 46 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 present a poster, you might present 47 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 an oral presentation. And then 48 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 hopefully you're going to talk with 49 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 your peers, maybe meeting new 50 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 people. Maybe figuring out who 51 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you might want to be working for 52 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 or with in the future. So, networking 53 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 isn't a bad thing, But I'm going to 54 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 encourage you to go in with plan. 55 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And I've seen a number of networking 56 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 talks. At ABRCMS I saw a talk 57 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 specifically for networking for introverts, 58 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 which was very, very good, but I 59 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 thought a lot of the information 60 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 was also quite pertinent to people 61 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 who were not introverts. So I'm an 62 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 introvert. I find the concept of going 63 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to conferences and going to networking 64 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 events. It's challenging. It really is. 65 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 But I force myself to do it because 66 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you know, the more you do it, the 67 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 easier it becomes. And I take advice 68 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 from my friend Mary Mitchell and 69 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 she always said, when you go, just 70 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 have a goal in mind. So, if your goal 71 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 is to meet a certain person, then 72 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that is what you try and do. If it's 73 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to meet a certain number of people, 74 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 then you know three to five individuals 75 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 in and to have a good conversation 76 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 with them, then that is what you do. 77 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Once you have met your your goal, 78 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 your requirement, it's then up to you 79 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 if you then choose to leave the 80 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 networking event. But hopefully 81 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 by that point, you will feel comfortable. 82 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 You've made some friends. You 83 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 might actually want to stay. When 84 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you're going to a conference, 85 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 especially nowadays, a lot of the 86 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 time you will get information on a 87 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 conference app. so ABRCMS 88 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 definitely does that. The National 89 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Postdoc Association does that. 90 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And they actually use the same app. 91 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I might completely kill the pronunciation 92 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Whova, I'm not sure but it's a good 93 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 little app. It has a list of all of the 94 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 attendees. It has the presentations, 95 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 where they are, what the talks are. 96 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 You can go on and you can highlight. 97 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Yes, I want to go to these presentations, 98 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and then you have an itinerary, 99 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and then the app can say, you know, 100 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you've got to talk in 10 minutes in this 101 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 place, so it's very, very helpful. But 102 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you can utilize the app to kind of 103 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 come up with a plan for what you 104 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 want to do for networking. So, maybe 105 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 there is someone in your field that 106 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you are absolutely dying to meet. 107 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Are they on the list of attendees? 108 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 If they are, are they speaking? If 109 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 they're speaking you absolutely 110 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 know where they're going to be 111 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 at one point of time. So you could 112 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 try and go and speak to them after 113 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 they have finished. Or maybe you 114 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 just know that they're going to be 115 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 there so, maybe you try and have 116 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 a conversation in a more relaxed 117 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 setting. So, maybe over a coffee, 118 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 or you see them at a lunch table, 119 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and you ask if you can join them. 120 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Whatever it is, if there are certain 121 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 people that you want to meet, 122 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 then let's try and make that happen. 123 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Why do you want to meet them? 124 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Maybe you want to potentially work 125 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 with them in the future. You just 126 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 want to have a chat about an 127 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 experiment or a paper that they've done. 128 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Whatever it is. So let's focus on 129 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 what we want to get out of that. 130 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And maybe there are other people 131 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 there who would be helpful, someone 132 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 who works at an institution that 133 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you're interested in working at, but 134 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 not necessarily that individual. 135 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 You can have a conversation with 136 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 them and find out is it a great place 137 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to work? Maybe you'll have a 138 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 chat to them and go. Oh, I don't 139 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 want to do that. I don't want to move 140 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 on. So look at the conference 141 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 attendees and see who you might 142 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 be interested in working for or talking 143 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to. And the next thing is be prepared. 144 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So, as a graduate student, you might 145 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 not have the opportunity to have 146 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 graduate sorry, to have business cards. 147 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 But maybe your graduate school 148 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 will purchase them for you. We used 149 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to make them for our graduate students. 150 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So that was a possibility. If not 151 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Vistaprint or something very similar, 152 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 will make you cards for actually quite 153 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 cheap. So, I designed my business 154 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 card on Vistaprint. I think I got a 155 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 thousand of them for $25 or 156 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 something. It's really not that 157 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 expensive, and you can, you know, 158 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 put your name, an email address, 159 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I don't put my phone number 160 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 because I don't want people 161 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 phoning me at random times. 162 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And if you've got a website, then 163 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 put that information on there. 164 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 You could always, if you get a 165 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 obviously a smaller number of 166 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 them, you could say where you 167 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 currently are, that you're a graduate 168 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 student or a postdoc, you can 169 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 always personalize it even more 170 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and say, you know, this is your field. 171 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I'm looking for jobs or whatever it is. 172 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 You can pop it in there. So even 173 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 if your institution won't give you 174 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 a business card, then maybe you 175 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 can kind of get some made. You 176 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 might want to take a few copies 177 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 of your CV or resume with you. 178 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 You know if you have a particular 179 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 person that you want to meet 180 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and you want to share your work 181 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 with them, you could always print 182 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 a copy of a paper or an abstract 183 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 or something and attempt to give 184 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it to them. I will say that people 185 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 have tried to give me CV's, resumes, 186 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 papers in the past, and I'm gonna 187 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 be honest. You get home, and 188 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you don't really do much with 189 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 them. Business cards, yes, 190 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 know, I have a big stack of them. 191 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Then it's really funny because 192 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 somebody will email and be like, 193 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Kate I met you at this conference. 194 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 We spoke, and if I can't remember 195 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 them, then I'll go through my 196 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 stack of business cards. I'm like, 197 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 did I meet you? Because if I know 198 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that I've met you, then you know 199 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 my response is probably gonna 200 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 be more helpful. Or like, if you see 201 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 me speak and you say, Kate, I saw 202 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 your seminar on this, rather than 203 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Kate, I want this from you. Then 204 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 obviously, I'm going to be more 205 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 helpful to the person who you 206 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 know opens up with I saw you 207 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 at this thing and I would like your 208 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 advice. So I don't know about 209 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 giving things other than a business 210 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 card. But you want their business card. If they can give you a business card that's really helpful, because then you can find them on LinkedIn. You can send them an email. And even if it's just you know it was wonderful to meet you at this meeting, I would love to stay in touch. Or if there's a question or something that you can kind of talk about following your conversation. Kind of move it on. And that's always really helpful to kind of get them into your network. Obviously, if they're at a conference and you email them that night or something, then it might take a few days for them to respond because they're really conference,