1 00:00:00,596 --> 00:00:02,396 I know exactly what you're saying when you 2 00:00:02,548 --> 00:00:04,902 say like when you're sitting at home writing 3 00:00:04,902 --> 00:00:06,949 you're not like, I'm deaf, I'm deaf 4 00:00:06,949 --> 00:00:07,866 I'm deaf, I say the same for me 5 00:00:07,866 --> 00:00:08,784 like when I'm 6 00:00:08,784 --> 00:00:10,197 sitting around doing my makeup 7 00:00:10,197 --> 00:00:13,083 I'm not like ooh I'm blind, I'm blind 8 00:00:13,113 --> 00:00:15,219 Like, I'm not thinking about my 9 00:00:15,219 --> 00:00:17,340 blindness, I'm just living my life 10 00:00:17,340 --> 00:00:20,754 because this is our normal (Music) 11 00:00:24,956 --> 00:00:27,072 Hello everybody, we are back 12 00:00:27,072 --> 00:00:29,089 with my series , where I sit down 13 00:00:29,089 --> 00:00:30,505 with another person 14 00:00:30,505 --> 00:00:32,039 from the disability community 15 00:00:32,039 --> 00:00:33,855 and we disscuss all things 16 00:00:33,855 --> 00:00:36,022 life and disability related 17 00:00:36,022 --> 00:00:38,439 and this one is probably the 18 00:00:38,439 --> 00:00:41,639 most requested that I've seen. 19 00:00:41,639 --> 00:00:44,646 So we finally have Jessica 20 00:00:44,646 --> 00:00:46,433 and I'm gonna let you say your 21 00:00:46,433 --> 00:00:48,024 last name 22 00:00:48,024 --> 00:00:52,475 (Laughs) Jessica Kellgren-Fozard 23 00:00:52,475 --> 00:00:54,928 It's ok, I know, it's a difficult surname 24 00:00:54,928 --> 00:00:58,311 we literally like went over this before 25 00:00:58,311 --> 00:00:59,611 we started filming 26 00:00:59,611 --> 00:01:00,644 We've just been like talking on 27 00:01:00,644 --> 00:01:01,728 Google Meet 28 00:01:01,728 --> 00:01:04,095 And I was like, practicing the name 29 00:01:04,095 --> 00:01:05,378 and I was like no, you know what, 30 00:01:05,378 --> 00:01:07,228 I got here, I was too deep, 31 00:01:07,228 --> 00:01:08,211 I was like, I'm jumping 32 00:01:08,211 --> 00:01:09,325 out of the pool. 33 00:01:09,325 --> 00:01:11,145 She'll take over. So thank you- 34 00:01:11,145 --> 00:01:13,812 It's ok. It's complex. 35 00:01:13,812 --> 00:01:14,812 The Kellgren bit is Swedish, 36 00:01:14,812 --> 00:01:16,695 the Fozard is my wife's surname, 37 00:01:16,695 --> 00:01:18,661 it's from Normandy, smush it together, 38 00:01:18,661 --> 00:01:20,078 it's complicated for everyone. 39 00:01:20,078 --> 00:01:22,711 Or Jessica Out Of The Closet, 40 00:01:22,711 --> 00:01:25,495 which I think is a brilliant name 41 00:01:25,495 --> 00:01:27,160 because not only are you one of 42 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:30,357 the most fabulous fashionistas 43 00:01:30,357 --> 00:01:32,128 that I follow on social media, 44 00:01:32,128 --> 00:01:34,611 but you are also in fact out of 45 00:01:34,611 --> 00:01:37,344 the closet, and so I think it's just 46 00:01:37,344 --> 00:01:38,977 such a fun username. 47 00:01:38,977 --> 00:01:41,041 (Laughs) Yeah, 48 00:01:41,041 --> 00:01:42,944 out of the closet in many ways. 49 00:01:42,944 --> 00:01:44,428 Out of the gay closet, out of the 50 00:01:44,428 --> 00:01:46,977 disability closet, just living life open. 51 00:01:46,977 --> 00:01:48,874 That's the way to live life. 52 00:01:48,874 --> 00:01:50,677 Being your best, most authentic, 53 00:01:50,677 --> 00:01:52,960 confident queen self. And that is 54 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:54,693 exactly what you do. 55 00:01:54,693 --> 00:01:57,010 I watch your videos and I 56 00:01:57,010 --> 00:01:59,027 legitimately laugh out loud. 57 00:01:59,027 --> 00:02:01,360 Like you're one of, not only the most 58 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,193 fashionable people I follow but one of 59 00:02:03,193 --> 00:02:04,889 the funniest people I follow, 60 00:02:04,889 --> 00:02:07,810 and I think that you, just by simply 61 00:02:07,810 --> 00:02:10,760 being you, break so many disability 62 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:14,205 stereotypes and misconceptions, 63 00:02:14,205 --> 00:02:17,343 and I think it's so fabulous for just- 64 00:02:17,343 --> 00:02:18,577 so thank you for just exisiting 65 00:02:18,577 --> 00:02:19,960 on the internet. 66 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,393 (Laughs) I mean, I could say 67 00:02:22,393 --> 00:02:24,376 the same thing about you, Molly. 68 00:02:24,376 --> 00:02:26,277 I woke up this morning and I was like, 69 00:02:26,277 --> 00:02:28,278 OK, Molly, you have to try to look, like, 70 00:02:28,278 --> 00:02:30,710 a little bit half fabulous 71 00:02:30,710 --> 00:02:32,609 because you're going to be sitting next to 72 00:02:32,609 --> 00:02:34,309 Jessica in a video and it's going 73 00:02:34,309 --> 00:02:35,627 to be embarrassing. 74 00:02:35,627 --> 00:02:38,793 Oh no, I think you are incredibly stylish, 75 00:02:38,793 --> 00:02:40,526 I must say. I always enjoy 76 00:02:40,526 --> 00:02:41,572 your Instagram as well. 77 00:02:41,572 --> 00:02:43,593 Thank you, I appreciate it. 78 00:02:43,593 --> 00:02:46,475 So, I know a ton of my audience 79 00:02:46,475 --> 00:02:48,027 knows and loves your content already 80 00:02:48,027 --> 00:02:50,176 but for those who don't, would you like to 81 00:02:50,176 --> 00:02:52,276 kind of give the brief introduction of who 82 00:02:52,276 --> 00:02:54,059 Jessica is in a nutshell. 83 00:02:54,059 --> 00:02:56,043 My goodness, okay, the elevator pitch 84 00:02:56,043 --> 00:02:58,526 of me, then, I guess. 85 00:02:58,526 --> 00:03:00,577 So, I'm Jessica, I'm a YouTuber, 86 00:03:00,577 --> 00:03:02,609 content creator. I make content that is 87 00:03:02,609 --> 00:03:06,742 generally fun, informative, educational, 88 00:03:06,742 --> 00:03:09,426 amusing, around things that are to do with 89 00:03:09,426 --> 00:03:12,059 disability, chronic illness, and LGBTQ+ 90 00:03:12,059 --> 00:03:15,092 issues. So I have two genetic conditions, 91 00:03:15,092 --> 00:03:16,975 hereditary neuropathy with pressure 92 00:03:16,975 --> 00:03:19,326 palsies, which means that there are gaps 93 00:03:19,326 --> 00:03:22,310 in the myelin sheaths around your nerves. 94 00:03:22,310 --> 00:03:24,825 For me that means that I can paralyze 95 00:03:24,825 --> 00:03:27,509 parts of myself, that my nerves are more 96 00:03:27,509 --> 00:03:29,943 easily damaged, which does things like 97 00:03:29,943 --> 00:03:32,559 affect my hearing and I have loss of 98 00:03:32,559 --> 00:03:34,959 vision in one eye because of it, and it 99 00:03:34,959 --> 00:03:37,174 can do things like my hands don't have 100 00:03:37,174 --> 00:03:39,825 any feeling because I paralyzed both of 101 00:03:39,825 --> 00:03:41,691 my arms for a year and a half when I was 102 00:03:41,691 --> 00:03:44,076 a teenager. And they came back to a 103 00:03:44,076 --> 00:03:47,410 certain degree, but they can't now feel 104 00:03:47,410 --> 00:03:49,105 anything, so it's like wearing gloves 105 00:03:49,105 --> 00:03:50,908 all of the time. And I don't get hot and 106 00:03:50,908 --> 00:03:53,142 cold, any of those kinds of things, 107 00:03:53,142 --> 00:03:55,442 or wet. Which is really annoying when 108 00:03:55,442 --> 00:03:57,392 you're trying to hang up the washing, 109 00:03:57,392 --> 00:03:58,443 'cause you're like, is this wet? 110 00:03:58,443 --> 00:04:00,991 Is this dry? Absolutely no idea. 111 00:04:00,991 --> 00:04:02,909 And I end up having to like, press my face 112 00:04:02,909 --> 00:04:05,009 to all of my laundry to see whether it's 113 00:04:05,009 --> 00:04:07,792 dry or not. Very strange thing. 114 00:04:07,792 --> 00:04:10,508 And then you just get a random cheek stain 115 00:04:10,508 --> 00:04:12,225 or random foundation stain on the side 116 00:04:12,225 --> 00:04:13,389 of your white shirt. 117 00:04:13,389 --> 00:04:15,474 I mean, I should add, I only do this when 118 00:04:15,474 --> 00:04:17,974 I'm not wearing makeup. (Laughs) 119 00:04:17,974 --> 00:04:19,158 Pro tip. 120 00:04:19,158 --> 00:04:21,625 And then I also have Ehlers Danlos 121 00:04:21,625 --> 00:04:24,473 Syndrome, which is about my connective 122 00:04:24,473 --> 00:04:26,523 tissue, and means that not only am I 123 00:04:26,523 --> 00:04:30,259 hyper mobile, and very flexible and bendy, 124 00:04:30,259 --> 00:04:32,106 which most people think is like, whoa, 125 00:04:32,106 --> 00:04:34,179 what a great party trick, and it is, 126 00:04:34,179 --> 00:04:36,519 it's a pretty good party trick that I 127 00:04:36,519 --> 00:04:39,051 perhaps overused when I was a child. 128 00:04:39,051 --> 00:04:41,522 I dislocated various things just to prove 129 00:04:41,522 --> 00:04:43,626 to people that I could. Don't do that. 130 00:04:43,626 --> 00:04:45,397 That's a terrible idea. Don't do that. 131 00:04:45,397 --> 00:04:48,815 But it also affects connective tissue in 132 00:04:48,815 --> 00:04:51,223 things like my internal organs, 133 00:04:51,223 --> 00:04:53,397 so I have some issues with my heart, and 134 00:04:53,397 --> 00:04:56,145 I have postural orthostatic tachycardia 135 00:04:56,145 --> 00:04:58,240 syndrome, which comes from that, 136 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:02,079 which is just a regulating blood pressure 137 00:05:02,079 --> 00:05:07,296 issue, so I faint a lot. And I can't exert 138 00:05:07,296 --> 00:05:10,128 myself too much, basically I go up two 139 00:05:10,128 --> 00:05:12,055 flights of stairs and I'm like, oh gosh, 140 00:05:12,055 --> 00:05:13,571 there's a heart attack coming. 141 00:05:13,571 --> 00:05:15,512 Ok, wonderful, and then I've got to lie 142 00:05:15,512 --> 00:05:17,094 on the floor for half an hour. 143 00:05:17,094 --> 00:05:19,558 And the vintage fashion is just a layer 144 00:05:19,558 --> 00:05:21,894 over the top, just to make everything look 145 00:05:21,894 --> 00:05:22,976 gorgeous while we're 146 00:05:23,018 --> 00:05:24,243 here. I think you should 147 00:05:24,243 --> 00:05:25,723 make more fashion content. 148 00:05:25,723 --> 00:05:27,411 I'm putting the pitch in now, 149 00:05:27,411 --> 00:05:28,976 and I think a lot of people 150 00:05:28,976 --> 00:05:30,946 in the comments will agree 151 00:05:30,946 --> 00:05:33,006 that you should have like a whole segment 152 00:05:33,006 --> 00:05:34,789 of your channel devoted to 153 00:05:34,789 --> 00:05:37,929 fashion content because we need that 154 00:05:37,929 --> 00:05:39,729 vintage inspo that you bring, 155 00:05:39,730 --> 00:05:42,250 we need your vintage wisdom. 156 00:05:42,250 --> 00:05:44,366 I was just, like, as we were talking 157 00:05:44,381 --> 00:05:46,071 before we started filming, I was 158 00:05:46,071 --> 00:05:47,451 peppering her with questions 159 00:05:47,451 --> 00:05:48,981 about the vintage fashion scene 160 00:05:48,981 --> 00:05:51,361 because I am fascinated by it 161 00:05:51,361 --> 00:05:52,953 and whenever I've tried to do it, 162 00:05:52,953 --> 00:05:55,819 it has (pause) not necessarily panned out 163 00:05:55,819 --> 00:05:58,141 So, I feel like you should make fashion 164 00:05:58,141 --> 00:05:59,990 videos and yknow when I started 165 00:05:59,990 --> 00:06:01,350 doing fashion content 166 00:06:01,350 --> 00:06:03,116 it was kind of like a total mistake 167 00:06:03,116 --> 00:06:05,516 I wanted to make one video about, like, 168 00:06:05,516 --> 00:06:07,374 accessibility in online shopping 169 00:06:07,374 --> 00:06:08,102 and that was 170 00:06:08,102 --> 00:06:09,049 supposed to be it. 171 00:06:09,049 --> 00:06:10,832 But people requested me keep doing it 172 00:06:10,832 --> 00:06:11,612 and I was like 173 00:06:11,612 --> 00:06:13,682 "Well, If you want me to feed my addiction 174 00:06:13,682 --> 00:06:15,582 and talk about something I love, 175 00:06:15,582 --> 00:06:17,298 I am happy to do so" 176 00:06:17,298 --> 00:06:19,456 There is people 177 00:06:19,456 --> 00:06:21,796 in the disability activism community 178 00:06:21,796 --> 00:06:24,053 who have been upset by that. 179 00:06:24,053 --> 00:06:27,312 Like, they want me to kind of dedicate 180 00:06:27,312 --> 00:06:28,582 my channel to disability. 181 00:06:29,508 --> 00:06:31,989 And I can understand that, but 182 00:06:31,989 --> 00:06:33,663 to me, I am a human 183 00:06:33,663 --> 00:06:35,718 and disabilities are a very real, 184 00:06:35,718 --> 00:06:37,062 important topic to me 185 00:06:37,062 --> 00:06:38,580 and it affects my life daily, 186 00:06:39,283 --> 00:06:40,884 but so does fashion 187 00:06:40,884 --> 00:06:42,907 and the confidence that fashion gives me! 188 00:06:42,907 --> 00:06:43,975 So does makeup, 189 00:06:43,975 --> 00:06:45,069 so does my guide dog, 190 00:06:45,069 --> 00:06:46,060 so does dating, 191 00:06:46,060 --> 00:06:48,116 so do all these other aspects 192 00:06:48,116 --> 00:06:49,668 and I think it's very important 193 00:06:49,668 --> 00:06:51,739 for us, as a disability community, 194 00:06:51,739 --> 00:06:54,389 to show society the human side 195 00:06:54,389 --> 00:06:56,130 of our day-to-day life 196 00:06:56,130 --> 00:06:58,760 and the very normal, average 197 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:00,875 human things that we love 198 00:07:00,875 --> 00:07:02,121 and that we partake in. 199 00:07:02,121 --> 00:07:03,911 Of course, of course 200 00:07:03,911 --> 00:07:06,420 I always link this back to 201 00:07:06,420 --> 00:07:07,314 children's books 202 00:07:07,314 --> 00:07:09,166 because I think it's the easiest way 203 00:07:09,166 --> 00:07:11,458 to understand people learning new concepts 204 00:07:11,458 --> 00:07:14,249 So, there are so many children's books 205 00:07:14,249 --> 00:07:16,056 that are about issues. 206 00:07:16,056 --> 00:07:17,114 It's about 207 00:07:17,114 --> 00:07:19,087 "Some people move in a wheelchair" 208 00:07:19,087 --> 00:07:21,563 or "some people have 2 mums" 209 00:07:21,563 --> 00:07:24,115 and kids don't love them, 210 00:07:24,115 --> 00:07:26,416 they don't want to read those books, 211 00:07:26,416 --> 00:07:28,071 because they're very much 212 00:07:28,071 --> 00:07:30,571 focused on "this one object that you need 213 00:07:30,571 --> 00:07:32,257 to learn." It's not fun! 214 00:07:32,257 --> 00:07:34,507 Whereas, when they are reading 215 00:07:34,507 --> 00:07:36,442 like a fun, adventure book 216 00:07:36,442 --> 00:07:38,129 where "oh. the main character just 217 00:07:38,129 --> 00:07:40,268 happens to have a disability" 218 00:07:40,268 --> 00:07:42,499 or just happens to have a different 219 00:07:42,499 --> 00:07:45,110 family setup to the nuclear family, 220 00:07:45,110 --> 00:07:47,164 then it's more engaging 221 00:07:47,164 --> 00:07:49,564 and they are more willing to learn things 222 00:07:49,564 --> 00:07:51,178 And I know the great things about 223 00:07:51,178 --> 00:07:53,393 having disabled content creators 224 00:07:53,393 --> 00:07:54,679 who are creating content 225 00:07:54,679 --> 00:07:56,718 that isn't just disability focused 226 00:07:56,718 --> 00:07:59,071 is that you are also bringing in people 227 00:07:59,071 --> 00:08:00,749 who wouldn't have necessarily have 228 00:08:00,749 --> 00:08:01,797 clicked on your video, 229 00:08:01,797 --> 00:08:03,325 being like "Ooh, I don't know, 230 00:08:03,325 --> 00:08:04,578 i don't know i wanna 231 00:08:04,578 --> 00:08:05,638 watch something about 232 00:08:05,638 --> 00:08:06,478 a blind person 233 00:08:06,478 --> 00:08:07,628 cause I've never really 234 00:08:07,628 --> 00:08:08,528 met a blind person 235 00:08:08,528 --> 00:08:09,868 and that could be awkward." 236 00:08:09,868 --> 00:08:11,488 But if it's a video where you are 237 00:08:11,488 --> 00:08:12,498 doing something else 238 00:08:12,498 --> 00:08:13,378 and they click in, 239 00:08:13,378 --> 00:08:14,148 they are like 240 00:08:14,148 --> 00:08:15,402 "Well, you know what, 241 00:08:15,402 --> 00:08:17,202 this is actually really interesting, 242 00:08:17,202 --> 00:08:18,302 Imma keep watching her 243 00:08:18,302 --> 00:08:19,422 other videos as well." 244 00:08:19,422 --> 00:08:21,022 And then, it's just a great way 245 00:08:21,022 --> 00:08:22,432 to lead people in, I think 246 00:08:22,432 --> 00:08:23,782 And they start to really be 247 00:08:23,782 --> 00:08:25,249 more involved in the issues, 248 00:08:25,249 --> 00:08:27,369 it's not something that's far away 249 00:08:27,369 --> 00:08:28,939 Now, it's "oh, my favourite 250 00:08:28,939 --> 00:08:30,185 content creator Molly 251 00:08:30,185 --> 00:08:31,682 also happens to have 252 00:08:31,682 --> 00:08:32,590 a disability and 253 00:08:32,590 --> 00:08:34,110 also happens to talk about that 254 00:08:34,110 --> 00:08:36,091 And now I've learnt things about it" 255 00:08:36,091 --> 00:08:38,061 So I always think that's the best way, 256 00:08:38,061 --> 00:08:39,423 but, actually, Molly, 257 00:08:39,423 --> 00:08:41,233 two birds, one stone, 258 00:08:41,233 --> 00:08:43,497 to do with this fashion thing, 259 00:08:43,497 --> 00:08:44,997 I think the next time you come 260 00:08:44,997 --> 00:08:46,877 to England, I'm gonna have to give you 261 00:08:46,877 --> 00:08:47,797 a vintage makeover. 262 00:08:47,797 --> 00:08:48,505 Oh my gosh, 263 00:08:48,505 --> 00:08:49,694 absolutely!! 264 00:08:49,694 --> 00:08:51,372 Once this whole madness 265 00:08:51,372 --> 00:08:52,788 in this world is done, 266 00:08:52,788 --> 00:08:54,764 and we're all vaccinated, 267 00:08:54,764 --> 00:08:56,331 I'm coming out to England, 268 00:08:56,331 --> 00:08:57,899 so I can finally see my brother 269 00:08:57,899 --> 00:08:58,890 for the first time 270 00:08:58,890 --> 00:09:00,335 in over a year. 271 00:09:00,335 --> 00:09:01,796 AND I can see you 272 00:09:01,796 --> 00:09:03,778 and we are doing the vintage makeover 273 00:09:03,778 --> 00:09:05,539 I'm absolutely holding you to that. 274 00:09:05,539 --> 00:09:07,814 But I could not agree more with 275 00:09:07,814 --> 00:09:08,894 what you've just said. 276 00:09:08,894 --> 00:09:11,204 My favourite thing about what 277 00:09:11,204 --> 00:09:12,504 I do is that I get to 278 00:09:12,504 --> 00:09:14,473 make learning fun for people. 279 00:09:14,473 --> 00:09:16,032 I get to teach 280 00:09:16,032 --> 00:09:18,024 people in a way that entertains them 281 00:09:18,024 --> 00:09:19,894 that truly is the best way to learn. 282 00:09:19,894 --> 00:09:21,696 That's how I always 283 00:09:21,696 --> 00:09:23,363 learned the most growing up 284 00:09:23,363 --> 00:09:24,764 I was never somebody 285 00:09:24,764 --> 00:09:26,774 who could sit in class 286 00:09:26,774 --> 00:09:28,844 and hear you talk to me about something. 287 00:09:28,844 --> 00:09:30,474 I need to be the one 288 00:09:30,474 --> 00:09:32,084 that was getting up and doing it 289 00:09:32,084 --> 00:09:33,614 I was a very kinesthetic learner 290 00:09:33,614 --> 00:09:35,424 I need to be actually doing the thing 291 00:09:35,424 --> 00:09:36,524 and immersed in it 292 00:09:36,524 --> 00:09:38,048 to be able to understand it 293 00:09:38,048 --> 00:09:39,524 and being able to 294 00:09:39,524 --> 00:09:41,939 hopefully be entertaining to people 295 00:09:41,939 --> 00:09:44,802 um, while they- they learn 296 00:09:44,802 --> 00:09:46,295 and open their minds 297 00:09:46,295 --> 00:09:47,672 to new ways of thinking 298 00:09:47,672 --> 00:09:49,046 is so rewarding 299 00:09:49,046 --> 00:09:50,796 so I completely agree with you 300 00:09:50,796 --> 00:09:52,212 And I always say 301 00:09:52,212 --> 00:09:54,212 we talk a lot in the disability community 302 00:09:54,212 --> 00:09:55,182 about the fact that 303 00:09:55,182 --> 00:09:56,631 y'know that we're quite low 304 00:09:56,631 --> 00:09:59,420 on the totem pole of causes 305 00:09:59,420 --> 00:10:01,213 and of things that people care about 306 00:10:01,213 --> 00:10:02,724 and talk about or know about. 307 00:10:02,724 --> 00:10:04,404 You know, you often see those like 308 00:10:04,404 --> 00:10:05,918 "Diversity panels" 309 00:10:05,918 --> 00:10:08,193 and it's like everything is shown 310 00:10:09,536 --> 00:10:10,616 ... except disability. 311 00:10:10,616 --> 00:10:11,804 And we're like "Hey now, 312 00:10:12,514 --> 00:10:13,214 "Hi" 313 00:10:13,214 --> 00:10:15,208 "Where are we at the table" 314 00:10:15,208 --> 00:10:17,275 I think so many different 315 00:10:17,275 --> 00:10:18,970 brands and companies 316 00:10:18,970 --> 00:10:20,740 think that they can kind of get away 317 00:10:20,740 --> 00:10:22,615 doing the absolute least 318 00:10:22,615 --> 00:10:24,635 when it comes to disability representation 319 00:10:24,635 --> 00:10:26,590 Whether that be in adverts 320 00:10:26,590 --> 00:10:28,988 or actually making things accessible. 321 00:10:28,988 --> 00:10:31,427 So many of them think 322 00:10:31,427 --> 00:10:33,217 "Oh, a person in a wheelchair 323 00:10:33,217 --> 00:10:34,399 and we're done. 324 00:10:34,399 --> 00:10:36,058 That's it we've represented every 325 00:10:36,058 --> 00:10:37,188 disabled person, 326 00:10:37,188 --> 00:10:39,547 we've covered everyone's needs, excellent. 327 00:10:39,547 --> 00:10:41,849 Of course our brand is friendly to the 328 00:10:41,849 --> 00:10:43,825 disabled community, we have a ramp!" 329 00:10:43,825 --> 00:10:46,274 And you're like, "Uh-huh, I see. 330 00:10:46,274 --> 00:10:48,954 And how are you helping every other 331 00:10:48,954 --> 00:10:50,582 disabled person?" 332 00:10:50,582 --> 00:10:51,332 Mhm, mhm. 333 00:10:51,332 --> 00:10:53,691 Like, people who use wheelchairs 334 00:10:53,691 --> 00:10:55,780 actually make up quite a small part 335 00:10:55,780 --> 00:10:58,650 of the disability population as a whole. 336 00:10:58,650 --> 00:11:00,779 And, people just cannot get this through 337 00:11:00,779 --> 00:11:02,492 their heads and, of course, having 338 00:11:02,492 --> 00:11:04,430 the disability symbol be a wheelchair, 339 00:11:04,430 --> 00:11:07,970 obviously a very visual way to get that 340 00:11:07,970 --> 00:11:10,400 across very neatly, but it does tend 341 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,931 to make people forget everyone else. 342 00:11:13,577 --> 00:11:15,581 Yes and I- I don't know if this has been 343 00:11:15,581 --> 00:11:17,601 happening in England but over the 344 00:11:17,601 --> 00:11:19,564 pas number of years I've been seeing 345 00:11:19,564 --> 00:11:22,672 in North America one change is 346 00:11:22,672 --> 00:11:24,974 certain places are adding other stickers 347 00:11:24,974 --> 00:11:27,188 that represent other disabilities. 348 00:11:27,188 --> 00:11:29,571 Which is nice because for example on 349 00:11:29,571 --> 00:11:33,146 public transit, like a bus, I need to 350 00:11:33,146 --> 00:11:35,374 sit down, it's not a question I need to 351 00:11:35,374 --> 00:11:37,341 be able to sit. Because balance is a 352 00:11:37,341 --> 00:11:39,185 combination, as I'm sure you know as 353 00:11:39,185 --> 00:11:41,081 deaf woman, of ears and eyes. 354 00:11:41,081 --> 00:11:43,039 And so my balance, not being able to see 355 00:11:43,039 --> 00:11:46,049 is quite off. And so standing on a moving 356 00:11:46,049 --> 00:11:48,631 vehicle, even if I'm holding a pole, is 357 00:11:48,631 --> 00:11:51,141 just not really a thing for me. So I need 358 00:11:51,141 --> 00:11:53,781 sit. And so when I get on a bus with my 359 00:11:53,781 --> 00:11:56,493 guide dog, people used to not register 360 00:11:56,493 --> 00:11:58,348 that I was somebody who they needed to 361 00:11:58,348 --> 00:12:00,198 get out of the disability seating for. 362 00:12:00,198 --> 00:12:02,081 Um, so they would just continue to sit 363 00:12:02,081 --> 00:12:04,025 there. But now they've added these 364 00:12:04,025 --> 00:12:06,441 stickers where it's like a man with a cane 365 00:12:06,441 --> 00:12:09,422 a person in a wheelchair and there's 366 00:12:09,422 --> 00:12:11,271 somebody with a walker and I'm like 367 00:12:11,271 --> 00:12:13,708 Thank you for showing multiple visuals 368 00:12:13,708 --> 00:12:15,745 of what somebody who might need to sit in 369 00:12:15,745 --> 00:12:18,152 disability seating could present as. 370 00:12:18,152 --> 00:12:20,358 Yeah, I've definitely seen in the last few 371 00:12:20,358 --> 00:12:22,338 years that kind of not all disabilities 372 00:12:22,338 --> 00:12:25,807 are visible stickers on a lot more things 373 00:12:25,807 --> 00:12:28,585 in public places. And it's so good to see 374 00:12:28,585 --> 00:12:31,742 because I remember when I very first- 375 00:12:31,742 --> 00:12:34,718 so I kind of grew up with a disability 376 00:12:34,718 --> 00:12:37,158 but it wasn't, well I'm not going to say 377 00:12:37,158 --> 00:12:39,332 noticed, but it wasn't diagnosed until 378 00:12:39,332 --> 00:12:42,359 I was 17. And then when I was 17 and I 379 00:12:42,359 --> 00:12:44,360 suddenly had this big health crisis and 380 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,060 very much did need to use, you know, 381 00:12:47,060 --> 00:12:48,837 disabled toilets and I need to have 382 00:12:48,837 --> 00:12:51,767 access to things. I had a lot of issues 383 00:12:51,767 --> 00:12:54,973 with this. Because people were constantly 384 00:12:54,973 --> 00:12:57,138 trying to stop me from using things 385 00:12:57,138 --> 00:12:59,972 saying "Oh that's not for you that's for 386 00:12:59,972 --> 00:13:02,197 disabled people." And I'm like I mean 387 00:13:02,197 --> 00:13:04,910 I am, I don't know what I can do to- 388 00:13:04,910 --> 00:13:07,776 to make this more obvious to people, that 389 00:13:07,776 --> 00:13:09,603 I'm really struggling and things would 390 00:13:09,603 --> 00:13:11,835 help me like this. So it's, it is really 391 00:13:11,835 --> 00:13:15,042 lovely to see now. I worry less about 392 00:13:15,042 --> 00:13:17,239 using disabled toilets in public 393 00:13:17,239 --> 00:13:19,560 when they have a "Not all disabilities 394 00:13:19,560 --> 00:13:22,020 are visible" sticker on them. Because the 395 00:13:22,020 --> 00:13:24,699 dirty jokes I've received coming out of a 396 00:13:24,699 --> 00:13:27,921 disabled toilet on two feet is like, ugh. 397 00:13:27,921 --> 00:13:29,771 Well I think part of the problem with 398 00:13:29,771 --> 00:13:31,846 that too is how many able-bodied people 399 00:13:31,846 --> 00:13:34,597 just do use the toilet for people with a 400 00:13:34,597 --> 00:13:35,337 disability? 401 00:13:36,944 --> 00:13:39,028 Um, so many, so many able bodied people 402 00:13:39,028 --> 00:13:43,028 do use different facilities that are 403 00:13:43,028 --> 00:13:45,603 accessible and designed for people who 404 00:13:45,603 --> 00:13:47,523 actually need them due to a disability. 405 00:13:47,523 --> 00:13:50,069 And, so now I think when people see 406 00:13:50,069 --> 00:13:52,643 somebody presenting as able-bodied, they 407 00:13:52,643 --> 00:13:54,573 just kind of assume they're able-bodied 408 00:13:54,573 --> 00:13:56,553 because of how many able-bodied people do 409 00:13:56,553 --> 00:13:58,433 take advantage of having a little extra 410 00:13:58,433 --> 00:14:01,063 wiggle room in the stall for when they're 411 00:14:01,063 --> 00:14:03,207 pooping and they don't want anyone to hear 412 00:14:03,207 --> 00:14:05,067 it and I'm like that's not what, that's 413 00:14:05,067 --> 00:14:07,027 not what that was for. It's not for all 414 00:14:07,027 --> 00:14:08,777 you extra shopping bags, ma'am. 415 00:14:08,777 --> 00:14:10,857 It's for people who require either the bar 416 00:14:10,857 --> 00:14:13,687 for support, who require the extra room 417 00:14:13,687 --> 00:14:16,417 for a support worker, for a service 418 00:14:16,417 --> 00:14:18,627 animal, for a mobility device. Like 419 00:14:18,627 --> 00:14:21,618 there's many reasons that that exists.