1 00:00:06,896 --> 00:00:09,429 I want to start with a warning today. 2 00:00:10,619 --> 00:00:15,296 I realize that beginning with a warning may not be the smartest thing to do, 3 00:00:15,296 --> 00:00:16,827 but I'm just going to go for it. 4 00:00:16,827 --> 00:00:21,397 My warning is that although I'm here to talk to you about communications, 5 00:00:21,397 --> 00:00:24,715 I actually have zero training in communications, 6 00:00:25,275 --> 00:00:27,096 and I've never worked in PR. 7 00:00:27,096 --> 00:00:28,208 What I am 8 00:00:28,208 --> 00:00:30,768 is a psychological anthropologist. 9 00:00:31,488 --> 00:00:35,436 And what I study is the way that culture influences how we think, 10 00:00:36,396 --> 00:00:39,737 how we process information, how we make meaning of messages, 11 00:00:39,737 --> 00:00:43,534 and how we formulate and come to decisions. 12 00:00:44,227 --> 00:00:49,037 And so, as a psychological anthropologist, one of my goals here today 13 00:00:49,037 --> 00:00:52,129 is to convince you, is to show you, that this ... 14 00:00:53,297 --> 00:00:54,627 is not true. 15 00:00:54,627 --> 00:00:56,247 (Laughter) 16 00:00:56,247 --> 00:00:59,668 That we should not be actively dissuading our friends and colleagues 17 00:00:59,668 --> 00:01:01,950 from going into anthropology, 18 00:01:01,950 --> 00:01:07,050 and that instead, studying culture and how people use it to think 19 00:01:07,050 --> 00:01:09,977 is an incredibly valuable tool in the real world, 20 00:01:09,977 --> 00:01:11,768 and for our purposes today, 21 00:01:11,768 --> 00:01:15,917 can be an incredibly important and effective thing 22 00:01:15,917 --> 00:01:18,737 in being a better communicator. 23 00:01:19,397 --> 00:01:23,128 And so, as an anthropologist working in communications, 24 00:01:23,738 --> 00:01:25,918 I study two different things. 25 00:01:25,918 --> 00:01:28,509 First of all, I study public thinking, 26 00:01:28,509 --> 00:01:29,999 not public opinion, 27 00:01:29,999 --> 00:01:33,538 not the way that people answer a couple of polling questions here or there, 28 00:01:33,538 --> 00:01:35,698 or conduct themselves in a few focus groups 29 00:01:35,698 --> 00:01:38,149 in Cleveland or Kansas City - 30 00:01:38,149 --> 00:01:40,718 I'm from Cleveland, I can make that joke, that's okay - 31 00:01:40,718 --> 00:01:46,179 but rather how people use culture in a deep and highly predictable way 32 00:01:46,179 --> 00:01:50,279 to think about complex social issues; issues like education or mental health, 33 00:01:50,279 --> 00:01:55,568 immigration or aging, climate change or race inequity. 34 00:01:56,109 --> 00:01:59,518 So I am really excited to talk to you about ... 35 00:02:01,098 --> 00:02:05,188 how culture helps us be more effective communicators. 36 00:02:05,710 --> 00:02:08,089 The other thing that I'm going to talk to you about 37 00:02:08,089 --> 00:02:11,159 is how through the way that we present information 38 00:02:11,159 --> 00:02:16,119 we can get people to open up an access dramatically different ways 39 00:02:16,119 --> 00:02:21,489 of thinking, of feeling, and of acting about those social issues, 40 00:02:21,489 --> 00:02:24,611 and in a nutshell, that is what framing is: 41 00:02:24,611 --> 00:02:27,790 how variations in the way that we present information 42 00:02:27,790 --> 00:02:33,510 can lead people to dramatically different perceptual and behavioral outcomes. 43 00:02:33,510 --> 00:02:36,709 And so I'm really, really - why not? - 44 00:02:36,709 --> 00:02:42,190 really excited to get the chance to geek out about framing today. 45 00:02:42,190 --> 00:02:44,260 And I'll tell you right from the beginning 46 00:02:44,260 --> 00:02:47,500 that geeking out about framing is pretty much my all-time, 47 00:02:47,500 --> 00:02:49,499 absolute favorite thing to do, 48 00:02:50,169 --> 00:02:54,479 which I realize is kind of pathetic, and probably a little bit sad. 49 00:02:54,479 --> 00:02:57,571 But it does mean that at least one person in this room 50 00:02:58,241 --> 00:03:00,190 is going to have fun during this talk. 51 00:03:00,190 --> 00:03:01,218 (Laughter) 52 00:03:01,218 --> 00:03:03,440 That will be me, I will have fun. 53 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,373 And so, what I want to do today is to convince you, is to argue 54 00:03:07,373 --> 00:03:09,753 that even though you do not think of yourselves 55 00:03:09,753 --> 00:03:11,510 all the time in this way 56 00:03:11,510 --> 00:03:15,820 and are not explicitly aware of it, you are all communicators. 57 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:20,461 And as communicators, framing matters a great deal to you. 58 00:03:20,461 --> 00:03:25,751 So what I want to do is give you two reasons why framing matters to you. 59 00:03:26,341 --> 00:03:30,110 And the first reason is, unfortunately, I'm in the position 60 00:03:30,110 --> 00:03:32,791 where I have to tell you that you all have a problem. 61 00:03:32,791 --> 00:03:35,533 And you should know there aren't 11 more steps after this, 62 00:03:35,533 --> 00:03:39,040 it's not that kind of a meeting, and it's not that kind of a problem. 63 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,862 What I mean is that you have a communications problem. 64 00:03:41,862 --> 00:03:44,122 You have a problem of perception. 65 00:03:44,481 --> 00:03:47,199 And the problem looks something like this: 66 00:03:47,199 --> 00:03:50,012 That you all have been in positions, at one time or another, 67 00:03:50,012 --> 00:03:53,661 where you think you have the most perfect, 68 00:03:54,391 --> 00:03:56,454 awesome, slam-dunk - 69 00:03:56,454 --> 00:03:58,478 whatever sports metaphor you want to use - 70 00:03:58,478 --> 00:04:01,342 way of talking about what you do and why it matters. 71 00:04:01,342 --> 00:04:03,722 Heck, it works with two of your closest colleagues, 72 00:04:03,722 --> 00:04:06,992 what could go wrong when it goes out to normal people, 73 00:04:06,992 --> 00:04:10,682 people who don't eat and breathe and sleep your issues all the time? 74 00:04:10,682 --> 00:04:13,741 And you find that when this idea that made so much sense to you 75 00:04:13,741 --> 00:04:16,791 goes outside of your immediate circle, it does one of two things. 76 00:04:16,791 --> 00:04:19,204 First of all, it lacks resonance. 77 00:04:19,204 --> 00:04:22,972 It doesn't have grip, it goes in one ear and out the other. 78 00:04:22,972 --> 00:04:26,453 Secondly, probably more unfortunately because it happens more frequently, 79 00:04:26,453 --> 00:04:30,822 that thing which worked and was so brilliant in your own head 80 00:04:30,822 --> 00:04:31,853 goes out, 81 00:04:31,853 --> 00:04:37,003 and it has the exact opposite effect on the people you're trying to persuade, 82 00:04:37,003 --> 00:04:39,333 on the people you're trying to communicate with. 83 00:04:39,333 --> 00:04:44,272 And I'm not going to ask you to take my word for anything today, right? 84 00:04:44,272 --> 00:04:48,213 I'm going to show you evidence from the research that I do with my team 85 00:04:48,213 --> 00:04:49,442 that shows this. 86 00:04:49,442 --> 00:04:52,002 And I have a lot of pieces of examples, 87 00:04:52,002 --> 00:04:55,862 evidence of this you-say-they-think, this lost-in-translation effect. 88 00:04:55,862 --> 00:04:59,293 I'm going to show you one today that comes from some work that we've done 89 00:04:59,293 --> 00:05:02,733 to translate the science of early childhood development. 90 00:05:03,203 --> 00:05:07,972 People who are in this field, people who are developmental scientists, 91 00:05:07,972 --> 00:05:11,265 really want to talk about adversity and stress, 92 00:05:11,265 --> 00:05:14,363 and the effects that stress and adversity can have on young kids. 93 00:05:14,363 --> 00:05:16,192 And they say things like this: 94 00:05:16,192 --> 00:05:18,373 that persistent stress can derail development 95 00:05:18,373 --> 00:05:21,354 and have negative long-term effects on health and well-being. 96 00:05:21,354 --> 00:05:25,254 And if you're a developmental scientist, you replace negative with deleterious 97 00:05:25,254 --> 00:05:27,354 because that's the way you talk. 98 00:05:27,354 --> 00:05:29,374 And so for folks who are in this field, 99 00:05:29,374 --> 00:05:30,554 this is true. 100 00:05:31,214 --> 00:05:34,594 There is an incredibly deep body of science 101 00:05:34,594 --> 00:05:37,743 across a number of disciplines which supports this point. 102 00:05:38,334 --> 00:05:41,624 Unfortunately, when you take this idea out, 103 00:05:41,624 --> 00:05:44,004 to normal people, to members of the general public, 104 00:05:44,004 --> 00:05:46,585 you get things that look and sound like this: 105 00:05:46,984 --> 00:05:49,544 (Video) Man: Life's hard. Supposed to be hard. 106 00:05:49,544 --> 00:05:53,424 What doesn't kill you makes you stronger, you know? 107 00:05:53,424 --> 00:05:55,524 All the bad cliches you can think of. 108 00:05:55,524 --> 00:06:01,554 There's been people that have come from absolutely nothing to make it, 109 00:06:02,094 --> 00:06:05,794 and in society's eyes gained success. 110 00:06:05,794 --> 00:06:08,915 Nat Kendall-Taylor: So just to make it really crystal-clear, 111 00:06:09,545 --> 00:06:12,975 that which you just heard was not the intended effect 112 00:06:12,975 --> 00:06:16,035 when this expert opened his or her mouth to deliver this message. 113 00:06:16,035 --> 00:06:18,706 I'm not trying to say that our friend Nietzsche here 114 00:06:18,706 --> 00:06:21,576 with "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" - 115 00:06:21,576 --> 00:06:23,856 smart audience, there you go - 116 00:06:23,856 --> 00:06:26,124 is wrong or stupid in any way. 117 00:06:26,124 --> 00:06:28,514 But there's clearly something that's going on here, 118 00:06:28,514 --> 00:06:29,864 there's clearly a difference 119 00:06:29,864 --> 00:06:32,504 between the intention and the delivery of the message, 120 00:06:32,504 --> 00:06:35,416 and it's actual perception and effect. 121 00:06:35,416 --> 00:06:38,006 And you all should have a good idea as to what that is, 122 00:06:38,006 --> 00:06:41,086 based on how I introduced myself as an anthropologist. 123 00:06:41,086 --> 00:06:45,005 So the thing that stands between the you-say and the they-think here is ... 124 00:06:45,735 --> 00:06:46,946 culture. 125 00:06:47,716 --> 00:06:50,875 Not the external, Indiana Jones artifact kind of culture, 126 00:06:50,875 --> 00:06:53,056 but rather culture in mind, 127 00:06:53,056 --> 00:06:56,236 culture as a set of shared patterns of thinking, 128 00:06:56,236 --> 00:07:00,256 as a set of shared assumptions and propositions that we have 129 00:07:00,256 --> 00:07:02,296 and carry around with us in our minds, 130 00:07:02,296 --> 00:07:05,846 and use every time that we are presented with information, 131 00:07:05,846 --> 00:07:08,386 every time that we engage with an issue. 132 00:07:08,386 --> 00:07:10,256 And so, what this does, 133 00:07:10,256 --> 00:07:15,236 this realization that culture is always mediating our meaning 134 00:07:15,236 --> 00:07:18,786 and complicating our job as communicators, is it gives us - 135 00:07:18,786 --> 00:07:21,807 so this is both, kind of one of these paradoxical things 136 00:07:21,807 --> 00:07:26,116 that's both utterly common sense, and completely game-changing - 137 00:07:26,116 --> 00:07:28,196 is that this gives us a really different way 138 00:07:28,196 --> 00:07:30,136 of looking at what has been 139 00:07:30,136 --> 00:07:33,647 the dominant way of thinking about public understanding and communication. 140 00:07:33,647 --> 00:07:36,267 So for a long time, and still too this day, 141 00:07:36,267 --> 00:07:38,897 people have thought of public understanding in this way: 142 00:07:38,897 --> 00:07:43,556 as an empty receptacle, as a blank slate, as an empty fishbowl, 143 00:07:43,556 --> 00:07:48,125 and have thought that we as communicators can assume that we are our audiences, 144 00:07:48,125 --> 00:07:50,727 and take the things that make so much sense to us, 145 00:07:50,727 --> 00:07:53,156 and literally drop them into this unfettered space 146 00:07:53,156 --> 00:07:54,928 where they get to do their thing. 147 00:07:54,928 --> 00:07:57,808 And we know, based on what I've just told you about culture, 148 00:07:57,808 --> 00:07:59,634 that this is neither correct, 149 00:07:59,634 --> 00:08:03,758 nor is it productive as a way to think about communications. 150 00:08:03,758 --> 00:08:04,718 Instead, 151 00:08:04,718 --> 00:08:09,027 we have to understand that culture always complicates our job as communicators, 152 00:08:09,027 --> 00:08:10,937 and if we can go a step further 153 00:08:10,937 --> 00:08:14,769 and understand how people use culture to think about our issues, 154 00:08:14,769 --> 00:08:17,207 we can be dramatically more effective 155 00:08:17,207 --> 00:08:21,287 in our roles as messengers, in our roles as communicators. 156 00:08:21,837 --> 00:08:26,928 And so, the second reason why framing matters to all of you in this room 157 00:08:26,928 --> 00:08:31,090 is because understanding is frame dependent. 158 00:08:31,570 --> 00:08:35,318 Now, that's a mildly academicese way of saying 159 00:08:35,318 --> 00:08:38,798 that the choices that you make as communicators matter. 160 00:08:38,798 --> 00:08:40,198 Sometimes the little things: 161 00:08:40,198 --> 00:08:42,688 the pronouns that you use, the verbs that you choose; 162 00:08:42,688 --> 00:08:44,349 sometimes the big things, 163 00:08:44,349 --> 00:08:47,542 the values that you use to explain why your issue matters; 164 00:08:47,542 --> 00:08:48,945 those things matter. 165 00:08:48,945 --> 00:08:51,149 Those things have frequently dramatic impacts 166 00:08:51,149 --> 00:08:53,309 on what people are willing to do, 167 00:08:53,309 --> 00:08:56,328 and how people are willing to act and engage on your issues. 168 00:08:56,328 --> 00:08:58,748 And again, I don't want you to take my word for it. 169 00:08:58,748 --> 00:09:00,538 I'm going to give you a quick example 170 00:09:00,538 --> 00:09:03,029 that shows you that understanding is frame dependent. 171 00:09:03,029 --> 00:09:06,059 And this example comes not from the United States, 172 00:09:06,059 --> 00:09:08,718 but from the Canadian province of Alberta. 173 00:09:09,348 --> 00:09:10,759 And a quick geography lesson, 174 00:09:10,759 --> 00:09:14,359 Alberta is one of the tall, skinny ones in the middle of the country. 175 00:09:14,359 --> 00:09:17,689 Kind of all you need to know - it's very cold - for this example. 176 00:09:17,689 --> 00:09:21,031 And so there's a group of experts and advocates in Alberta 177 00:09:21,031 --> 00:09:24,849 who are working to change policy and practice around addiction. 178 00:09:24,849 --> 00:09:27,191 They're working to take what we know from science, 179 00:09:27,191 --> 00:09:30,471 and use it to implement better policies and practices around addiction 180 00:09:30,471 --> 00:09:31,530 in this province. 181 00:09:31,530 --> 00:09:34,489 And they've been having a great deal of difficulty doing this. 182 00:09:34,819 --> 00:09:36,961 A lot of their problem comes from the fact 183 00:09:36,961 --> 00:09:39,771 that there is zero support to do anything different 184 00:09:39,771 --> 00:09:41,901 when it comes to addiction in this province. 185 00:09:41,901 --> 00:09:44,860 And so, they came to us, and they asked us to conduct some work 186 00:09:44,860 --> 00:09:48,170 to figure out how to engage members of the public more productively, 187 00:09:48,170 --> 00:09:49,491 to move understanding, 188 00:09:49,491 --> 00:09:53,450 and specifically, to increase support for a set of evidence-based policies. 189 00:09:53,450 --> 00:09:56,200 And so, as good framing geeks and dweebs, 190 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,311 we do what good framing geeks and dweebs do, 191 00:09:58,311 --> 00:09:59,741 we ran an experiment. 192 00:10:00,241 --> 00:10:05,016 And in this experiment we tested three different values messages. 193 00:10:05,016 --> 00:10:08,951 You see, the values messages along the horizontal axis of this graph 194 00:10:08,951 --> 00:10:10,141 right now. 195 00:10:10,141 --> 00:10:12,411 So some people - this is a large experiment, 196 00:10:12,411 --> 00:10:16,291 6,000 people, which believe it or not is not the entire population of Alberta, 197 00:10:17,001 --> 00:10:20,134 it's a representative sample, not an exhaustive sample. 198 00:10:20,134 --> 00:10:24,762 Each of these 6,000 people is randomly assigned to one of these messages. 199 00:10:24,762 --> 00:10:27,291 So if some folks got the value of interdependence, 200 00:10:27,291 --> 00:10:28,891 which, in this case, is the sense 201 00:10:28,891 --> 00:10:32,361 that we need to do a better job of dealing with addiction in this province 202 00:10:32,361 --> 00:10:33,752 because we're all connected: 203 00:10:33,752 --> 00:10:36,452 what influences one of us influences all of us. 204 00:10:36,452 --> 00:10:38,821 Other folks got this value of ingenuity, 205 00:10:38,821 --> 00:10:42,923 which is an innovation value, that we are a province of problem-solvers - 206 00:10:42,923 --> 00:10:45,222 you kind of swing your arm when you do this one - 207 00:10:45,222 --> 00:10:48,192 there's never been a problem that we haven't been able to solve 208 00:10:48,192 --> 00:10:49,761 with some good old Albertan grit 209 00:10:49,761 --> 00:10:52,184 and roll-up-your-sleeves problem-solvingness - 210 00:10:52,184 --> 00:10:55,562 that was my Albertan accent, if you caught that, very important. 211 00:10:55,562 --> 00:10:58,922 And other folks, last but not least, got this value of empathy, 212 00:10:58,922 --> 00:11:01,252 which is the sense that we need to do a better job 213 00:11:01,262 --> 00:11:03,262 of dealing with addiction in this province 214 00:11:03,262 --> 00:11:05,802 because people who deal with addiction are people too. 215 00:11:05,802 --> 00:11:09,081 They could be our mother, brother, father, sister, neighbor, whomever, 216 00:11:09,081 --> 00:11:12,062 and as individuals, we need to show these folks compassion. 217 00:11:12,062 --> 00:11:14,761 So what you're going to see on this next click 218 00:11:14,761 --> 00:11:18,832 is what I think are three beautiful, blue bars appearing on this screen, 219 00:11:18,832 --> 00:11:21,152 and what those blue bars are going to show you 220 00:11:21,152 --> 00:11:24,852 is the extent, the degree to which hearing these different values 221 00:11:24,852 --> 00:11:28,412 changes people's support for these evidence-based policies. 222 00:11:28,412 --> 00:11:30,432 So can anyone do a good drumroll? 223 00:11:30,432 --> 00:11:33,024 Please, play along, thank you. 224 00:11:33,024 --> 00:11:34,803 (Drumroll) 225 00:11:34,803 --> 00:11:38,593 So you should see three blue bars and notice two things. 226 00:11:38,593 --> 00:11:41,789 So first of all, two of these values, interdependence and ingenuity, 227 00:11:41,789 --> 00:11:44,734 make people, to a statistically significant degree, 228 00:11:44,734 --> 00:11:47,873 more supportive of these evidence-based policies. 229 00:11:47,873 --> 00:11:50,833 That is good news when we run these experiments, 230 00:11:50,833 --> 00:11:52,483 and when we get results like that, 231 00:11:52,483 --> 00:11:54,494 we stand up, we do a little framing dance - 232 00:11:54,494 --> 00:11:56,404 I won't do it right now, don't worry - 233 00:11:56,404 --> 00:11:59,744 we sit back down and we look towards the right-hand side of the screen. 234 00:11:59,744 --> 00:12:01,163 The value of empathy 235 00:12:01,163 --> 00:12:04,203 is actually depressing people's support for these policies. 236 00:12:05,223 --> 00:12:08,213 Now, the kicker is that in a subsequent piece of analysis, 237 00:12:08,213 --> 00:12:11,882 where we looked at all of the fields external-facing materials, 238 00:12:11,882 --> 00:12:16,675 guess which value we found to be in place over 90% of the time? 239 00:12:17,533 --> 00:12:18,383 Empathy. 240 00:12:18,383 --> 00:12:20,262 Thank you. Not a rhetorical question. 241 00:12:20,262 --> 00:12:24,024 And so, what this field has been doing for a very long time is endorsing a value 242 00:12:24,024 --> 00:12:26,265 which actually drives support down 243 00:12:26,265 --> 00:12:28,465 for the very policies that they are advocating. 244 00:12:28,465 --> 00:12:30,604 So this example does two things: 245 00:12:30,604 --> 00:12:34,434 it clearly shows you that understanding is frame-dependent and frames matter. 246 00:12:34,434 --> 00:12:38,144 It also shows you that these questions, you know, which values to use, 247 00:12:38,144 --> 00:12:40,215 how to communicate, are empirical questions. 248 00:12:40,215 --> 00:12:44,135 We don't have to guess or use our guts, we can use social science. 249 00:12:44,755 --> 00:12:46,274 I think it's pretty cool 250 00:12:46,274 --> 00:12:49,915 that frames are able to move people's understanding and their policy support, 251 00:12:49,915 --> 00:12:53,565 but what about more intrinsic, subconscious thinking? 252 00:12:53,925 --> 00:12:55,705 What about implicit bias? 253 00:12:55,705 --> 00:12:59,915 Can frames make people less subconsciously biased 254 00:12:59,915 --> 00:13:01,922 against particular groups of people? 255 00:13:01,922 --> 00:13:06,336 So we set out to answer this question through a project on re-framing aging 256 00:13:06,336 --> 00:13:08,837 in which we were specifically interested in: 257 00:13:08,837 --> 00:13:13,856 can frames make people less implicitly biased against older adults? 258 00:13:13,856 --> 00:13:15,265 And we found two things. 259 00:13:15,265 --> 00:13:19,726 First of all, Americans do not like older people. 260 00:13:20,937 --> 00:13:23,517 Older Americans don't like older people. 261 00:13:23,517 --> 00:13:24,796 (Laughter) 262 00:13:24,796 --> 00:13:26,436 High degree of implicit bias, 263 00:13:26,436 --> 00:13:28,006 and it's a level of implicit bias 264 00:13:28,006 --> 00:13:30,176 that parallels other biases that people study, 265 00:13:30,176 --> 00:13:34,896 whether that's gender, religion, sexuality, race; 266 00:13:34,896 --> 00:13:37,626 this is not cool news, not a good finding. 267 00:13:37,626 --> 00:13:40,066 But it does get cool when you look at what happens 268 00:13:40,066 --> 00:13:42,056 when we gave people a message 269 00:13:42,056 --> 00:13:45,875 that compared ageing to a process of building and gaining momentum. 270 00:13:45,875 --> 00:13:47,418 And when we did this, 271 00:13:47,418 --> 00:13:52,477 we found that we could actually reduce people's implicit bias by almost a third. 272 00:13:52,477 --> 00:13:53,686 Through a frame, 273 00:13:53,686 --> 00:13:58,466 we could make people less ageist at an implicit level. 274 00:13:58,466 --> 00:14:01,368 And you can tell that I think this is pretty cool, 275 00:14:01,368 --> 00:14:04,066 and it's definitely evidence that frames matter, 276 00:14:04,066 --> 00:14:07,516 and it's definitely evidence that understanding is frame dependent. 277 00:14:07,516 --> 00:14:12,727 So I want to leave you with a quote, one of my new favorite quotes. 278 00:14:12,727 --> 00:14:15,667 This is from Austrian philosopher Ivan Illich, 279 00:14:15,667 --> 00:14:18,327 and Illich says that neither revolution nor reformation 280 00:14:18,327 --> 00:14:22,379 can ultimately change a society, rather you must tell a more powerful tale, 281 00:14:22,379 --> 00:14:24,948 one so persuasive that it sweeps away the old myths 282 00:14:24,948 --> 00:14:27,948 and becomes the preferred story. 283 00:14:27,948 --> 00:14:33,099 So if we're going to drive social change, we need to develop, we need to test, 284 00:14:33,099 --> 00:14:36,727 and we need to commit to telling new stories. 285 00:14:37,207 --> 00:14:41,987 And with that, I will thank you very much, and encourage you all to frame on. 286 00:14:41,987 --> 00:14:45,038 (Applause)