0:00:37.770,0:00:40.240 - Hi everyone, Sal Khan[br]here from Khan Academy. 0:00:40.240,0:00:43.730 Welcome to the Homeroom live stream. 0:00:43.730,0:00:46.170 A very exciting conversation today. 0:00:46.170,0:00:48.600 We have Mala Sharma who is the VP 0:00:48.600,0:00:51.560 and GM of creative cloud at Adobe. 0:00:51.560,0:00:53.270 But before we jump into that conversation 0:00:53.270,0:00:55.940 I will give some of our[br]standard announcements. 0:00:55.940,0:00:57.840 First, a reminder that Khan Academy 0:00:57.840,0:00:59.800 is a not-for-profit organization, 0:00:59.800,0:01:01.260 we can only exist through donations 0:01:01.260,0:01:02.300 from folks like yourself. 0:01:02.300,0:01:03.300 So if you're in a position to do so, 0:01:03.300,0:01:06.910 please think about making a[br]donation@khanacademy.org/donate. 0:01:06.910,0:01:09.170 I also want to give a special shout out 0:01:09.170,0:01:12.750 to several organizations that[br]stepped up during the pandemic 0:01:12.750,0:01:15.380 when they realized that we were[br]running at a bigger deficit 0:01:15.380,0:01:17.270 than normal because of[br]all of the server costs 0:01:17.270,0:01:19.170 and our desire to accelerate content 0:01:19.170,0:01:22.200 to support tens of millions[br]of learners around the world. 0:01:22.200,0:01:25.160 So, special thanks to Bank[br]of America, AT&T, Google.org 0:01:25.160,0:01:27.550 Novartis, Fastly, and general motors. 0:01:27.550,0:01:30.700 I also want to give a[br]special shout out to Adobe. 0:01:30.700,0:01:33.810 This is a new thing that[br]we are announcing right now 0:01:33.810,0:01:37.480 and one of the reasons why Mala[br]is here amongst many others 0:01:37.480,0:01:41.340 as our creativity partner[br]and we're gonna be talking 0:01:41.340,0:01:43.760 a lot more about just education 0:01:43.760,0:01:46.170 and the role that creativity has to play 0:01:46.170,0:01:48.710 and how Khan Academy and[br]Adobe hope to work together 0:01:48.710,0:01:50.570 to really push the envelope there. 0:01:50.570,0:01:53.150 And last but not least,[br]I wanna remind everyone 0:01:53.150,0:01:54.710 that there's a version of this 0:01:54.710,0:01:58.410 that you can get wherever[br]you get your podcast, 0:01:58.410,0:02:01.120 Homeroom with Sal, The podcasts. 0:02:01.120,0:02:04.320 So with that, I'm excited[br]to introduce Mala Sharma, 0:02:04.320,0:02:06.950 VP and GM of Adobe Creative Cloud. 0:02:06.950,0:02:08.970 Mala, great to see you. 0:02:08.970,0:02:10.200 - It's great to see you too Sal, 0:02:10.200,0:02:12.193 thank you so much for having me here. 0:02:13.380,0:02:17.800 - Well, there's a ton of stuff[br]I wanna talk ask you about. 0:02:17.800,0:02:19.560 I know you care deeply about education, 0:02:19.560,0:02:20.870 it's teacher appreciation week. 0:02:20.870,0:02:22.740 I wanna learn about your journey[br]and of course I wanna talk 0:02:22.740,0:02:25.500 about what we are now[br]going to be doing together, 0:02:25.500,0:02:28.691 Adobe and Khan Academy but[br]maybe a good place to start 0:02:28.691,0:02:31.080 just so people understand context, 0:02:31.080,0:02:34.550 what is the Adobe Creative[br]Cloud and what does the VP 0:02:34.550,0:02:36.900 and general manager of[br]Adobe Creative Cloud do? 0:02:38.167,0:02:41.640 - So Adobe Creative Cloud[br]is the creativity platform 0:02:41.640,0:02:43.240 that anybody can use 0:02:43.240,0:02:45.880 who has an idea to put[br]out there in the world. 0:02:45.880,0:02:47.350 We have professionals who use it, 0:02:47.350,0:02:50.840 we have students, we have[br]consumers like you and I 0:02:50.840,0:02:53.173 who have an idea and wanna[br]have impact in the world 0:02:53.173,0:02:58.173 that has applications like[br]Photoshop, Premier Pro, 0:02:58.479,0:03:00.880 InDesign, Illustrator, 0:03:00.880,0:03:03.790 applications that work on the desktop, 0:03:03.790,0:03:05.640 on your mobile phone, on the web. 0:03:05.640,0:03:08.760 Adobe Spark is a part of a creative cloud 0:03:08.760,0:03:12.100 that is a web based application 0:03:12.100,0:03:14.360 and not only does it have applications 0:03:14.360,0:03:16.210 it also has services integrated 0:03:16.210,0:03:18.480 so you can collaborate on creative cloud. 0:03:18.480,0:03:21.890 You have content you can[br]use, you have templates, 0:03:21.890,0:03:23.930 you have fonts that you can[br]bring into your creation. 0:03:23.930,0:03:28.090 So, think about anything[br]you need to express an idea 0:03:28.090,0:03:31.580 is available within creative[br]cloud and what I do at Adobe, 0:03:31.580,0:03:34.680 I have the privilege of managing 0:03:34.680,0:03:36.850 the product marketing organization 0:03:36.850,0:03:38.640 and the education business. 0:03:38.640,0:03:39.950 So, I'm responsible for thinking 0:03:39.950,0:03:43.840 about how do we get our[br]products more available 0:03:43.840,0:03:46.040 to our customers, how[br]do we grow the business, 0:03:46.040,0:03:48.930 how do we make them[br]more accessible to users 0:03:48.930,0:03:51.680 wherever they are in[br]any part of the world, 0:03:51.680,0:03:55.490 any platform that they're on[br]and I work with product teams, 0:03:55.490,0:03:58.338 engineering teams, marketing teams 0:03:58.338,0:04:01.363 to get the product out there[br]and available to our customers. 0:04:02.960,0:04:05.700 - Yeah, and I've had a long relationship 0:04:05.700,0:04:07.410 with many of those products products. 0:04:07.410,0:04:09.940 I use them now but I all the way back, 0:04:09.940,0:04:12.820 I think it was as early as 1991 or 1992 0:04:12.820,0:04:16.230 when I was the art[br]editor and layout editor 0:04:16.230,0:04:19.050 for our school newspaper in New Orleans 0:04:20.060,0:04:22.390 under Mrs. Kennedy who[br]is one of the teachers 0:04:22.390,0:04:24.490 that I always make a point of appreciating 0:04:24.490,0:04:25.700 during teacher appreciation week. 0:04:25.700,0:04:28.650 She was our journalism[br]and our English teacher. 0:04:28.650,0:04:30.400 But that's when I first used, 0:04:30.400,0:04:32.520 what was now part of[br]the Adobe Creative Cloud 0:04:32.520,0:04:36.980 but I used all of the various[br]things that Adobe suite. 0:04:36.980,0:04:40.203 I'm curious, how do[br]you and how does Adobe, 0:04:41.690,0:04:44.520 there's a lot of areas[br]where Adobe is used. 0:04:44.520,0:04:47.390 Obviously a lot of designers,[br]the creative professionals, 0:04:47.390,0:04:48.600 et cetera, et cetera. 0:04:48.600,0:04:52.740 What is the lens that y'all[br]take on education and education 0:04:52.740,0:04:55.313 in the context of supporting[br]teachers especially? 0:04:56.939,0:04:59.650 - Yeah, education is very important 0:04:59.650,0:05:01.990 from a couple of perspectives. 0:05:01.990,0:05:06.850 First of all, we believe[br]that all of us as humans 0:05:06.850,0:05:08.860 are innately creative 0:05:08.860,0:05:11.880 and giving everybody a[br]voice is an important part 0:05:11.880,0:05:14.010 of building self-worth, 0:05:14.010,0:05:16.930 building great citizens in the world 0:05:16.930,0:05:19.790 and therefore education is a conduit, 0:05:19.790,0:05:24.360 is a very important vertical[br]for us to get students access 0:05:24.360,0:05:27.840 to our products so that[br]they can tell their stories. 0:05:27.840,0:05:32.840 And we have so many infinite[br]examples of the students 0:05:33.920,0:05:36.260 when they're able to put[br]these stories together, 0:05:36.260,0:05:38.240 put a voice to their ideas, 0:05:38.240,0:05:39.980 what it does to their self-confidence 0:05:39.980,0:05:42.750 and what it does to student[br]outcomes specifically. 0:05:42.750,0:05:44.480 So, a big part of our focus 0:05:44.480,0:05:47.780 is getting the products with[br]the hands of the students, 0:05:47.780,0:05:51.880 making them work on platforms[br]that students are on 0:05:51.880,0:05:53.180 whether they're on the web, 0:05:53.180,0:05:55.780 whether they're on mobile[br]devices or they're in the lab, 0:05:55.780,0:05:58.370 working in the lab. 0:05:58.370,0:06:00.470 So, it's about making[br]the products work here 0:06:00.470,0:06:03.980 in these different places,[br]making it affordable for schools. 0:06:03.980,0:06:07.240 Adobe Spark is free for students to use. 0:06:07.240,0:06:11.950 Creative Cloud which is[br]over a $600 a year product 0:06:11.950,0:06:15.280 is just $5 a year for student in K-12. 0:06:15.280,0:06:17.450 So, really it's about[br]making the products work 0:06:17.450,0:06:20.560 as well as making them[br]accessible through pricing 0:06:20.560,0:06:23.750 but the second area Sal[br]is about the teachers. 0:06:23.750,0:06:25.650 And again, it's great to be here with you 0:06:25.650,0:06:29.220 during teacher appreciation[br]week announcing this partnership 0:06:29.220,0:06:33.510 because teachers are aware[br]where this all happens. 0:06:33.510,0:06:37.700 They are the ones who sort[br]of help lead the students 0:06:37.700,0:06:42.260 through the learning process[br]and making them ready 0:06:42.260,0:06:44.040 to bring creativity into the classroom 0:06:44.040,0:06:46.970 is another really important[br]piece of what Adobe does. 0:06:46.970,0:06:50.370 We have a platform called[br]Adobe Education Exchange, 0:06:50.370,0:06:53.180 there's over a million[br]teachers on that platform, 0:06:53.180,0:06:55.530 there's sharing ideas with each other, 0:06:55.530,0:06:56.750 there's project plans, 0:06:56.750,0:06:59.310 there's lesson plans available for them, 0:06:59.310,0:07:02.070 of how they can bring[br]creativity into a Math class 0:07:02.070,0:07:05.450 or into a science class[br]or a Geography class. 0:07:05.450,0:07:07.810 Because what that does is one, 0:07:07.810,0:07:10.710 it makes learning more interesting. 0:07:10.710,0:07:13.690 It engages students but most importantly, 0:07:13.690,0:07:15.150 the teachers can assess 0:07:15.150,0:07:17.493 what the student is actually[br]comprehended and learned 0:07:17.493,0:07:19.490 through what they create. 0:07:19.490,0:07:21.400 So, education to us 0:07:21.400,0:07:23.810 is about making both of[br]those things possible 0:07:23.810,0:07:28.810 which is putting the products[br]in the hands of the students 0:07:29.130,0:07:32.410 and preparing the teachers[br]to teach creativity 0:07:32.410,0:07:34.410 and bring creativity into the classroom. 0:07:35.320,0:07:37.220 - And I definitely want to[br]talk a lot more about this 0:07:37.220,0:07:39.530 especially what both[br]Adobe and Khan Academy 0:07:39.530,0:07:40.363 hope to do together. 0:07:40.363,0:07:41.196 But before we go there, 0:07:41.196,0:07:44.530 I do wanna focus a[br]little bit on your story. 0:07:44.530,0:07:45.940 That's one of the interesting things 0:07:45.940,0:07:47.270 about these conversations. 0:07:47.270,0:07:48.103 I always love to learn 0:07:48.103,0:07:50.260 how people got to where they're going. 0:07:50.260,0:07:52.220 We have a lot of young[br]people who are watching this, 0:07:52.220,0:07:54.060 a lot of parents who are watching this. 0:07:54.060,0:07:57.110 So, when you were young[br]in elementary school, 0:07:57.110,0:07:58.217 middle school, did you say, 0:07:58.217,0:08:00.950 "I Mala Sharma I'm going to be a VP 0:08:00.950,0:08:02.989 and GM of Adobe Creative Cloud." 0:08:02.989,0:08:04.506 What did you think you were going to do? 0:08:04.506,0:08:05.884 (laughing) 0:08:05.884,0:08:07.520 - Oh my Gosh. 0:08:07.520,0:08:08.760 Well, if you asked my mom, 0:08:08.760,0:08:11.193 she probably thought I was up to no good. 0:08:12.060,0:08:17.060 I was a very, very naughty[br]student and was always the person 0:08:18.430,0:08:20.400 who was trying to distract[br]the teacher in the classroom 0:08:20.400,0:08:23.263 and distract the students[br]in the classroom. 0:08:23.263,0:08:25.680 (indistinct) 0:08:27.370,0:08:28.646 I'm sorry. 0:08:28.646,0:08:30.840 - Do you remember what you did? 0:08:30.840,0:08:31.833 - Oh my gosh. 0:08:33.000,0:08:36.231 I don't know if parents[br]would appreciate this 0:08:36.231,0:08:37.064 (chuckles) 0:08:37.064,0:08:39.470 but I used to be the student[br]who would sit at the back 0:08:39.470,0:08:44.470 of the classroom and[br]throw a little airplanes, 0:08:44.510,0:08:45.600 this is what we did in India. 0:08:45.600,0:08:48.220 We made airplanes with, you know, paper 0:08:48.220,0:08:51.050 and we threw it out in[br]front of the classrooms, 0:08:51.050,0:08:53.810 I would chew chalk and then throw chalk 0:08:53.810,0:08:55.990 at different students, I was really bad. 0:08:55.990,0:08:57.137 - Chew chalk, that's a new one. 0:08:57.137,0:08:59.357 I didn't know that[br]that's the thing that... 0:08:59.357,0:09:01.070 (Mala laughing) 0:09:01.070,0:09:02.140 - Oh my God. 0:09:02.140,0:09:04.520 Yes, I was a very naughty student 0:09:04.520,0:09:05.840 but at some point... 0:09:06.830,0:09:07.920 Sorry. 0:09:07.920,0:09:08.790 - No, no, go ahead. 0:09:08.790,0:09:11.763 I was going to say it[br]but it clearly evolved. 0:09:13.530,0:09:15.160 But at some point... 0:09:15.160,0:09:16.580 Please keep going. 0:09:16.580,0:09:18.143 - Yes, at some point, 0:09:19.060,0:09:24.060 I think I realized that[br]it was important for me 0:09:24.620,0:09:26.890 to pay attention to learning 0:09:26.890,0:09:30.070 and I think my mother[br]being a school teacher 0:09:30.070,0:09:31.223 was part of that. 0:09:32.460,0:09:36.883 And really, I think the way I'd sum it up, 0:09:38.820,0:09:43.610 it's a sequence of events that[br]I didn't expect what happened 0:09:43.610,0:09:46.640 but happened but I think[br]the learning that I had 0:09:46.640,0:09:51.090 from my teachers, from my[br]parents, from the elders around me 0:09:51.090,0:09:55.350 was to be ready to embrace[br]them and be prepared for them 0:09:55.350,0:10:00.350 and be able to not just embrace[br]them from the standpoint 0:10:00.830,0:10:03.500 of accept what happened but embrace them 0:10:03.500,0:10:04.913 and take them forward. 0:10:06.130,0:10:09.830 There's been lots of ups[br]and downs in my journey 0:10:09.830,0:10:12.630 to get to here but what's been consistent 0:10:12.630,0:10:17.630 is being confident, having[br]a deep sense of self-worth 0:10:19.990,0:10:21.840 and a deep sense of confidence 0:10:21.840,0:10:25.580 that if somebody presents[br]something to me, I can embrace it 0:10:25.580,0:10:27.270 and I think that comes from the learning. 0:10:27.270,0:10:29.260 The learning and the teachers around me 0:10:29.260,0:10:32.870 and all the examples that were around me 0:10:32.870,0:10:34.830 that gave you that confidence. 0:10:34.830,0:10:37.099 - Yeah, so, I mean, going[br]back to your original. 0:10:37.099,0:10:39.700 Your mother was a teacher 0:10:39.700,0:10:41.720 and still, it sounds like at a young age 0:10:41.720,0:10:45.840 you were maybe not the most[br]obedient obedient child 0:10:45.840,0:10:47.750 in at least in the, in the classroom. 0:10:47.750,0:10:49.640 Do you remember when it[br]kind of clicked in you? 0:10:49.640,0:10:51.390 Was there a particular moment? 0:10:51.390,0:10:52.780 Clearly your mother is a teacher 0:10:52.780,0:10:54.040 who played a big role in your life 0:10:54.040,0:10:56.020 if we're thinking about[br]teacher appreciation week 0:10:56.020,0:10:57.720 but were there moments in your education 0:10:57.720,0:10:59.370 where you started saying, "Wow,[br]this is really interesting, 0:10:59.370,0:11:00.490 I'm not passionate about this 0:11:00.490,0:11:02.540 or this person is really invested in me." 0:11:03.910,0:11:08.770 - Yeah, I think what my mom did for us 0:11:08.770,0:11:12.850 was it was not just about what[br]we learned in the classroom 0:11:12.850,0:11:14.430 but she also encouraged us 0:11:14.430,0:11:18.500 to do different kinds of learning 0:11:18.500,0:11:20.323 so she put us into theater. 0:11:21.253,0:11:24.240 I was on stage at an early stage, 0:11:24.240,0:11:27.703 I was learning Indian classical music. 0:11:29.029,0:11:34.029 I was learning rowing and a[br]variety of different experiences 0:11:34.320,0:11:36.620 that taught me consistently 0:11:36.620,0:11:39.960 that then I practiced and[br]when I learned from people 0:11:39.960,0:11:42.890 who knew more than me[br]and were better than me 0:11:42.890,0:11:44.723 and I observed what they did, 0:11:45.610,0:11:47.560 that I was able to[br]incorporate that learning 0:11:47.560,0:11:49.170 into whatever that I was practicing 0:11:49.170,0:11:51.810 and I think it was the[br]extracurricular activities 0:11:53.010,0:11:56.480 and the interest that those[br]teachers and those mentors 0:11:58.865,0:12:01.290 took in me that helped me get better 0:12:01.290,0:12:02.450 and I was able to apply 0:12:02.450,0:12:06.010 that into into the classroom as well. 0:12:06.010,0:12:07.850 And I think from a teacher standpoint 0:12:07.850,0:12:11.033 when it came to just regular studies, 0:12:12.290,0:12:16.070 it was a biology teacher who I[br]had in I think seventh grade. 0:12:16.070,0:12:20.830 She really made learning[br]incredibly interesting. 0:12:20.830,0:12:24.510 And this is again many,[br]many years back in India, 0:12:24.510,0:12:27.540 in a government school[br]where I was learning 0:12:27.540,0:12:31.180 and we heard that the[br]resources were limited 0:12:31.180,0:12:35.023 but the teacher made it[br]interesting by making us take walks 0:12:35.023,0:12:37.390 helping students get together in groups 0:12:37.390,0:12:40.190 and have conversations about[br]the different plants we saw, 0:12:40.190,0:12:45.190 the different insects we saw[br]bringing art by having us draw 0:12:47.070,0:12:48.420 what we were seeing. 0:12:48.420,0:12:51.550 And I think all of that and[br]the interest that she took 0:12:51.550,0:12:56.520 in making it fun and[br]making it non monotonous 0:12:56.520,0:12:59.900 and surprising is what[br]engaged me and helped me 0:12:59.900,0:13:02.940 get more interested in learning. 0:13:02.940,0:13:05.000 And then when I started seeing the results 0:13:05.000,0:13:08.310 of what I was doing, I[br]think it got me most serious 0:13:08.310,0:13:10.303 about continuing to do my studies. 0:13:11.350,0:13:12.540 - And I'm always curious 0:13:12.540,0:13:15.450 because when I remember when I[br]was especially in high school 0:13:15.450,0:13:18.810 and even in college, you[br]see people whose careers, 0:13:18.810,0:13:20.540 their mid-career or they've kind of gotten 0:13:20.540,0:13:23.350 to impressive places, what is the path? 0:13:23.350,0:13:24.390 How did they figure that out? 0:13:24.390,0:13:26.270 Did they know what they were doing? 0:13:26.270,0:13:28.900 I clearly didn't know what I was doing, 0:13:28.900,0:13:30.730 what did you think you were going to do? 0:13:30.730,0:13:32.540 When did you kind of find your direction? 0:13:32.540,0:13:34.300 Did you know you're going[br]to go into industry, 0:13:34.300,0:13:35.133 go into marketing, 0:13:35.133,0:13:35.987 did you think you were[br]going to do something else? 0:13:35.987,0:13:37.913 And when did you figure that out? 0:13:39.400,0:13:41.540 - Yeah, so when I was in school, 0:13:41.540,0:13:43.970 as I said, I was in theater, 0:13:43.970,0:13:48.970 my first dream was to actually[br]take acting professionally. 0:13:50.760,0:13:54.280 And I was in a theater through[br]school, through college 0:13:55.120,0:13:58.030 but then my parents didn't[br]think that was a good choice. 0:13:58.030,0:14:01.160 My next choice was to join the Indian Navy 0:14:01.160,0:14:06.160 because my father is a war[br]hero and I really admired him. 0:14:06.258,0:14:07.091 And I was like, 0:14:07.091,0:14:11.887 "I wanna go represent my[br]country and be patriotic." 0:14:12.930,0:14:15.630 He then discouraged me from[br]doing that because at that time 0:14:15.630,0:14:18.780 women didn't get great[br]opportunities in the Indian Navy. 0:14:18.780,0:14:21.180 We were typically stuck behind the desk 0:14:21.180,0:14:24.440 as opposed to what I wanted[br]to do, was be on the front. 0:14:24.440,0:14:27.210 So, that's what I wanted to do. 0:14:27.210,0:14:31.570 And when neither of those worked[br]out at that time at my age 0:14:31.570,0:14:32.970 of my batch at the time, 0:14:32.970,0:14:34.810 everybody was studying to go abroad 0:14:36.670,0:14:38.700 and I was like, "No, I[br]don't want to go abroad, 0:14:38.700,0:14:41.020 I wanna work for my country." 0:14:41.020,0:14:44.260 And I decided to do my[br]master's in business 0:14:44.260,0:14:45.900 because I didn't want to do science 0:14:45.900,0:14:47.780 because it looked like[br]science was too hard 0:14:47.780,0:14:49.520 and people studied too much. 0:14:49.520,0:14:53.420 So, I kind of made the[br]out of convenience really 0:14:53.420,0:14:55.270 and ended up doing my MBA. 0:14:55.270,0:14:58.360 And then after that life just happened. 0:14:58.360,0:15:03.360 I was I think ultimately[br]Sal if I were to look back 0:15:03.410,0:15:08.410 on what's consistent is what[br]you learn not just in school 0:15:10.340,0:15:12.743 but what values get instilled in you. 0:15:13.590,0:15:16.860 And I think that's helped me[br]through and sort of guided me 0:15:16.860,0:15:20.650 through all the ups and downs 0:15:20.650,0:15:22.450 and I've had plenty of downs as well 0:15:23.310,0:15:27.460 is really sort of hanging[br]onto the values that matter 0:15:29.020,0:15:33.430 and for me, it's about doing[br]what's right, not, what's good. 0:15:33.430,0:15:38.110 It's about being consistent[br]in thought, word and action 0:15:38.110,0:15:40.780 and it's those kinds of[br]values that see you through 0:15:40.780,0:15:41.970 and I think it's so important. 0:15:41.970,0:15:45.920 Again, teachers, parents[br]play such an important role 0:15:45.920,0:15:49.830 in not just teaching us the[br]studies that we'd have to do 0:15:49.830,0:15:52.570 but also demonstrating[br]and being the examples 0:15:52.570,0:15:54.363 for us when it comes to values. 0:15:55.237,0:15:57.940 - Now I'm curious, I did not[br]know this background of yours 0:15:57.940,0:15:59.940 that you were essentially the theater kid 0:15:59.940,0:16:02.914 turned a corporate leader. 0:16:02.914,0:16:04.650 (Mala laughing) 0:16:04.650,0:16:07.430 - It's funny, a lot of[br]folks, when I was in college, 0:16:07.430,0:16:10.750 I took a theater class just on a whim 0:16:10.750,0:16:12.350 just thinking it would[br]be a nice change of pace 0:16:12.350,0:16:13.860 and I thought it was transformational 0:16:13.860,0:16:15.190 and when I really think about it, 0:16:15.190,0:16:18.380 it affects how I even[br]interact with people, 0:16:18.380,0:16:21.453 how I communicate, how aware[br]I am of of my own being, 0:16:23.100,0:16:24.450 what was the effect of theater 0:16:24.450,0:16:26.470 and obviously we're here[br]to talk about creativity. 0:16:26.470,0:16:28.400 There's a lot of creativity in theater, 0:16:28.400,0:16:33.310 how has that background given[br]you some superpowers in it? 0:16:33.310,0:16:36.360 Most of the folks are corporate[br]leaders in Silicon Valley 0:16:36.360,0:16:38.340 especially if were stereotypically say, 0:16:38.340,0:16:39.360 coming from South Asia, 0:16:39.360,0:16:41.810 they were probably engineering majors, 0:16:41.810,0:16:44.040 come out here and start their[br]life as a software engineer 0:16:44.040,0:16:45.170 and then move up through management 0:16:45.170,0:16:46.730 but you have a very, very[br]different background. 0:16:46.730,0:16:48.523 How has that either helped or hurt you? 0:16:50.620,0:16:52.190 - I think the way it's helped me, 0:16:52.190,0:16:55.280 there's a couple of[br]things that come to mind. 0:16:55.280,0:17:00.280 One is the recognition that you alone 0:17:00.520,0:17:03.300 are not what makes that play happen. 0:17:03.300,0:17:05.780 There's you, there's the[br]person who pulls the curtain, 0:17:05.780,0:17:09.540 there's the light, there's[br]the person behind the camera, 0:17:09.540,0:17:11.590 there's a team that's involved 0:17:11.590,0:17:16.123 and everybody has to work in sync. 0:17:17.370,0:17:20.500 The production is great for the audience 0:17:20.500,0:17:25.500 only when everybody is operating[br]together on time, on cue 0:17:26.100,0:17:30.410 and all of that takes an[br]incredible amount of practice 0:17:30.410,0:17:32.830 and incredible amount of collaboration 0:17:33.780,0:17:35.310 and incredible clarity 0:17:35.310,0:17:38.010 on what the outcome of[br]the play needs to be. 0:17:38.010,0:17:40.490 And that's what work is about. 0:17:40.490,0:17:42.820 The second thing that I[br]learned is improvisation 0:17:42.820,0:17:46.370 because oftentimes the[br]person you're working with, 0:17:46.370,0:17:49.530 or excuse me, you might be with, 0:17:49.530,0:17:50.720 they might forget that dialogue. 0:17:50.720,0:17:52.500 You might forget your dialogue 0:17:52.500,0:17:56.930 and being able to in the[br]moment sort of fill the gaps 0:17:56.930,0:17:59.030 and let the story continue. 0:17:59.030,0:18:02.230 And the third area, I think[br]is just the confidence, right 0:18:02.230,0:18:06.820 of being in front of an audience 0:18:06.820,0:18:09.260 and that's what business is about. 0:18:09.260,0:18:13.070 Businesses is about collaboration,[br]it's about innovating, 0:18:13.070,0:18:16.980 it's about creative ideas and[br]it's about selling those ideas 0:18:16.980,0:18:20.890 confidently through storytelling. 0:18:20.890,0:18:23.890 And so, I do think that it's[br]been something that's helped me 0:18:23.890,0:18:26.350 and including my fighter spirit, 0:18:26.350,0:18:29.790 all right, that's where[br]risk-taking and planning 0:18:29.790,0:18:33.680 I think was an important[br]thing that I really admired 0:18:34.771,0:18:36.570 about what my dad did 0:18:36.570,0:18:39.470 and that's something I found[br]I've incorporated into my work 0:18:39.470,0:18:42.080 which is really being thoughtful 0:18:42.080,0:18:46.350 about what the strategy[br]for winning needs to be, 0:18:46.350,0:18:48.150 what the operational efficiency 0:18:48.150,0:18:50.380 and operational cadence needs to be. 0:18:50.380,0:18:55.380 All of those skills that[br]you need in business. 0:18:57.130,0:18:58.820 - I've never made the connection before 0:18:58.820,0:19:01.620 but hearing you describe[br]it, you're so right. 0:19:01.620,0:19:03.360 I feel like theater should be part 0:19:03.360,0:19:05.650 of any business program now[br]because you're absolutely right. 0:19:05.650,0:19:06.660 It's a clear goal, 0:19:06.660,0:19:08.660 - Yeah.[br]- Lot of coordination 0:19:08.660,0:19:11.870 but as soon as you're out there,[br]some new stuff might happen 0:19:11.870,0:19:13.980 and you're going to have to improvise 0:19:13.980,0:19:18.980 and it reminds me I actually[br]was for half a year in college 0:19:19.360,0:19:21.890 on the improv comedy troupe. 0:19:21.890,0:19:22.996 And we used to have to go to college 0:19:22.996,0:19:23.829 (indistinct) 0:19:23.829,0:19:26.190 and you just go on stage with no planning 0:19:26.190,0:19:28.670 and people throw out words and scenarios 0:19:28.670,0:19:31.670 and I have never gone[br]through more stressful thing 0:19:31.670,0:19:35.340 in my life than being[br]on an improv comedy team 0:19:35.340,0:19:37.477 but also, you want you to go[br]through that and you're like, 0:19:37.477,0:19:39.021 "well, nothing else in life" 0:19:39.021,0:19:41.313 (indistinct) 0:19:41.313,0:19:42.890 I've never fully drawn the prowls. 0:19:42.890,0:19:45.235 I'm gonna make sure my kids[br]get a little bit more drama 0:19:45.235,0:19:46.630 (Mala chuckles) 0:19:46.630,0:19:47.660 organized drama, 0:19:47.660,0:19:51.510 I think unorganized drama for them. 0:19:51.510,0:19:54.397 For unorganized in their lives. 0:19:54.397,0:19:56.580 Well, let's put the gears a little bit, 0:19:56.580,0:19:59.030 let's let's talk about this partnership 0:19:59.030,0:20:00.720 that obviously I'm very excited about it 0:20:00.720,0:20:02.340 but I'd love to hear[br]from your point of view, 0:20:02.340,0:20:05.513 what excites you, or I'd love[br]to hear in your own words, 0:20:07.060,0:20:08.237 what is the motivation for[br]partnering with Khan Academy 0:20:08.237,0:20:11.163 and what do you hope[br]we're able to do together? 0:20:12.420,0:20:14.896 - Yeah, So this is an amazing opportunity. 0:20:14.896,0:20:17.250 And Sal, we are so proud and honored 0:20:17.250,0:20:21.980 to be the creativity[br]partner for Khan Academy. 0:20:21.980,0:20:22.830 As I said earlier, 0:20:22.830,0:20:27.360 for Adobe, enabling creativity[br]for everyone is our mission. 0:20:27.360,0:20:30.550 We believe every human[br]is innately creative 0:20:30.550,0:20:33.700 and giving them a voice[br]is a part of our mission 0:20:33.700,0:20:38.700 and the fact that your[br]platform serves many millions, 0:20:39.450,0:20:43.788 I believe it's over a hundred[br]million students globally 0:20:43.788,0:20:48.250 and the focus of your work[br]has been on in the STEM area. 0:20:48.250,0:20:49.443 What I'm excited about, 0:20:49.443,0:20:53.460 what Adobe is excited about[br]is giving all of these kids 0:20:54.620,0:20:57.120 through the classroom access to tools 0:20:57.120,0:20:59.310 where they can express[br]themselves creatively 0:20:59.310,0:21:01.410 because what we've seen happen Sal 0:21:01.410,0:21:05.130 and there's many, many examples[br]including a personal example 0:21:05.130,0:21:08.120 I had when I was volunteering in India. 0:21:08.120,0:21:11.160 We teach for India where kids[br]who'd never seen technology, 0:21:11.160,0:21:14.000 had never interacted with Adobe tools, 0:21:14.000,0:21:15.770 when they were given access to this, 0:21:15.770,0:21:17.310 what it changed for them 0:21:17.310,0:21:20.240 in terms of not just[br]the learning experience 0:21:20.240,0:21:24.455 but what it did for them 0:21:24.455,0:21:25.563 (indistinct) 0:21:25.563,0:21:28.590 in confidence is what we are excited about 0:21:28.590,0:21:33.320 and it's not just sort of the[br]storytelling aspect of it. 0:21:33.320,0:21:37.370 We know that future hiring managers, 0:21:37.370,0:21:39.828 they value creativity in employees. 0:21:39.828,0:21:43.770 We know that the World Economic[br]Forum, Bloomberg, LinkedIn 0:21:43.770,0:21:46.380 their research has it[br]that creativity is a skill 0:21:46.380,0:21:48.810 that most hiring managers are looking for. 0:21:48.810,0:21:51.690 So, the ramifications[br]of bringing creativity 0:21:51.690,0:21:54.430 to your platform and the[br]lives that can impact 0:21:54.430,0:21:57.050 is incredibly thrilling and so important 0:21:57.050,0:21:59.340 especially in today's time 0:21:59.340,0:22:04.340 where the entire education[br]experience has been upended 0:22:04.500,0:22:05.543 because of COVID. 0:22:06.920,0:22:08.650 - No, I couldn't agree with you more. 0:22:08.650,0:22:11.443 From my point of view, what[br]we Khan Academy is missing 0:22:11.443,0:22:13.660 as a not-for-profit is[br]free world-class education 0:22:13.660,0:22:14.493 for anyone anywhere 0:22:14.493,0:22:16.740 and education has a lot[br]of dimensions to it. 0:22:16.740,0:22:18.150 There's the cognitive development of it, 0:22:18.150,0:22:19.680 there's the socialization element of it, 0:22:19.680,0:22:21.520 there's the credentialing side of it 0:22:21.520,0:22:23.880 but even if you talk about[br]the cognitive side of it, 0:22:23.880,0:22:27.440 a lot of folks listening[br]Bloom's cognitive taxonomy, 0:22:27.440,0:22:29.230 it's usually drawn as a pyramid 0:22:29.230,0:22:31.100 where the base is remembering, 0:22:31.100,0:22:33.510 it's the most rote type of work to do 0:22:33.510,0:22:35.320 then you go into skills procedures, 0:22:35.320,0:22:37.940 and then as you get higher up the pyramid, 0:22:37.940,0:22:39.590 you're getting into synthesis application 0:22:39.590,0:22:41.590 at the very top as create. 0:22:41.590,0:22:46.060 And I'm a big believer that[br]you need the whole pyramid 0:22:46.060,0:22:48.790 that if you just do one[br]part without the other, 0:22:48.790,0:22:50.170 you're selling yourself short 0:22:50.170,0:22:52.760 but the reason why I believe[br]bloom started up as a pyramid 0:22:52.760,0:22:55.860 is that they do too many[br]degrees build on each other 0:22:55.860,0:22:57.640 not always, but many times build 0:22:57.640,0:23:00.270 and Khan Academy has historically focused 0:23:00.270,0:23:04.430 on I would say that core[br]foundational piece of the pyramid, 0:23:04.430,0:23:07.490 more of the skill fluency, et cetera 0:23:07.490,0:23:10.340 but there's always a[br]desire for real education. 0:23:10.340,0:23:12.970 We got to make sure kids get[br]the top of the pyramid as well. 0:23:12.970,0:23:15.630 And so for us to be able[br]to be so complimentary 0:23:15.630,0:23:17.440 where the students and teachers 0:23:17.440,0:23:19.010 who are already leveraging Khan Academy 0:23:19.010,0:23:22.410 and hopefully many more to[br]make sure they have fluency 0:23:22.410,0:23:24.960 in their mathematics and their sciences 0:23:24.960,0:23:29.020 had that content knowledge[br]also have world-class tools 0:23:29.020,0:23:30.690 to apply that in really thoughtful ways 0:23:30.690,0:23:32.580 and that they compliment each other. 0:23:32.580,0:23:34.740 So, this is this announcement[br]we're making this week. 0:23:34.740,0:23:37.260 It's very exciting and[br]actually I'll cue this video 0:23:37.260,0:23:40.750 that I think we've put together[br]that describes the program 0:23:40.750,0:23:44.420 and I think we can comment on[br]it as it's playing as well. 0:23:44.420,0:23:47.530 - [Presenter] Teach creativity[br]with Adobe and Khan Academy, 0:23:47.530,0:23:51.190 a powerful new partnership[br]bringing together creative tools 0:23:51.190,0:23:54.490 and content knowledge to[br]empower thousands of teachers 0:23:54.490,0:23:57.270 and millions of students worldwide. 0:23:57.270,0:23:58.360 - It's a beautiful blend 0:23:58.360,0:24:00.900 of informative and engaging content. 0:24:00.900,0:24:02.690 - [Presenter] Get started[br]today by registering 0:24:02.690,0:24:06.160 for our brand new self paced[br]course available for free 0:24:06.160,0:24:08.210 on the Adobe education exchange. 0:24:08.210,0:24:10.600 Take this course and earn up to 20 hours 0:24:10.600,0:24:12.300 of professional development credit 0:24:12.300,0:24:15.290 and maybe even a visit[br]from Sal Khan himself, 0:24:15.290,0:24:16.760 founder of Khan Academy. 0:24:16.760,0:24:19.330 Register by May 17th and share a tweet 0:24:19.330,0:24:21.460 tagging an educator who inspires you 0:24:21.460,0:24:22.880 with the #AdobeKhanCreativity 0:24:24.060,0:24:26.670 for the chance to win[br]an Adobe creativity kit. 0:24:26.670,0:24:30.040 You want to surprise your[br]students with a voice Khan Academy 0:24:30.040,0:24:34.400 is best known for, yes, we are[br]talking about a virtual visit 0:24:34.400,0:24:36.357 to your classroom from Sal Khan. 0:24:36.357,0:24:38.550 (indistinct) 0:24:38.550,0:24:42.090 Or plan to infuse creativity[br]into your classes. 0:24:42.090,0:24:45.430 Submit your entry by May[br]17th and you could win one 0:24:45.430,0:24:48.500 of five virtual classroom[br]visits from Sal Khan. 0:24:48.500,0:24:51.100 Embrace creativity in powerful new ways 0:24:51.100,0:24:53.020 with Adobe and Khan Academy. 0:24:53.020,0:24:55.770 Sign up to the course and[br]learn how to get started now. 0:24:57.571,0:24:59.988 (indistinct) 0:25:04.240,0:25:05.760 - So much fun. 0:25:05.760,0:25:07.270 So, the course that we've designed, 0:25:07.270,0:25:11.880 it's specifically designed[br]for Khan teachers. 0:25:11.880,0:25:16.150 We built this along with your team Sal 0:25:16.150,0:25:19.550 and the courses are[br]specifically designed to be used 0:25:19.550,0:25:22.650 like creativity and math,[br]creativity and social studies, 0:25:22.650,0:25:24.310 creativity and science 0:25:25.250,0:25:29.610 and I know recently there's a young woman 0:25:29.610,0:25:32.340 called Hillary Andeles who was part 0:25:32.340,0:25:35.223 of your I think it's called a junior. 0:25:37.454,0:25:38.738 - Breakthrough challenge, yeah? 0:25:38.738,0:25:39.873 - Yeah, thank you. 0:25:41.690,0:25:45.333 And she's somebody Adobe[br]is very familiar with. 0:25:46.280,0:25:48.110 We got to know her a few years ago 0:25:48.110,0:25:50.220 when she was in her teens. 0:25:50.220,0:25:54.600 And as you know, she is,[br]you know a STEM enthusiast 0:25:54.600,0:25:58.930 and she had a classmate[br]who was very creative 0:25:58.930,0:26:01.087 and she decided as a as a young teen that, 0:26:01.087,0:26:02.930 "Why can't I be creative?" 0:26:02.930,0:26:05.720 And she started teaching herself[br]Photoshop and illustrator 0:26:05.720,0:26:10.280 just for fun and unfortunately[br]while she was a little kid, 0:26:10.280,0:26:14.420 she lived in Philippines, there[br]was this really big typhoon 0:26:14.420,0:26:16.290 that hit Philippines in her town. 0:26:16.290,0:26:17.540 It was called typhoon Yolanda 0:26:17.540,0:26:19.400 and many people lost their lives 0:26:19.400,0:26:21.390 and there was a lot of damage. 0:26:21.390,0:26:22.540 And once she realized 0:26:22.540,0:26:24.540 that the communication[br]that this put together 0:26:24.540,0:26:26.710 to help people understand what the impact 0:26:26.710,0:26:30.250 of the typhoon would be, was[br]just not impactful enough 0:26:30.250,0:26:32.620 and that's when she made[br]a commitment to herself 0:26:32.620,0:26:34.280 and has done some amazing work 0:26:34.280,0:26:38.650 to really take science concepts 0:26:38.650,0:26:41.160 and make them more[br]accessible and understandable 0:26:41.160,0:26:42.800 through creative communication 0:26:42.800,0:26:45.507 and she's done this amazing[br]work, created this amazing video 0:26:45.507,0:26:49.260 and then of course she got[br]awarded the prize to the- 0:26:49.260,0:26:51.407 - Exactly what number is this? 0:26:51.407,0:26:52.520 - And she goes, yeah. 0:26:52.520,0:26:55.400 - She it says it's six,[br]she says it's nine. 0:26:55.400,0:26:57.290 - So who's right?[br]- Yeah, I know. 0:26:58.177,0:27:02.590 - And she's an amazing[br]woman and now she's an MIT, 0:27:02.590,0:27:03.670 thanks to the scholarship 0:27:03.670,0:27:06.420 she got and-[br]- Added from 0:27:06.420,0:27:07.502 different reference frame. 0:27:07.502,0:27:08.335 Now, what exactly are... 0:27:08.335,0:27:09.210 (faintly speaking) 0:27:09.210,0:27:11.690 - Yeah, I think we can stop the video. 0:27:11.690,0:27:14.900 - Yeah, she is so inspiring[br]but this is a great example 0:27:14.900,0:27:17.310 and I hope that the[br]teachers on your platform 0:27:18.360,0:27:21.640 can take advantage of[br]these lessons, plans. 0:27:21.640,0:27:25.000 There's hundreds of lessons,[br]plans, there's projects, 0:27:25.000,0:27:28.480 there's tests that they can[br]be bringing into the classroom 0:27:28.480,0:27:33.480 to inspire these kids to[br]communicate and tell these stories 0:27:33.600,0:27:36.390 in an impactful way making these concepts 0:27:36.390,0:27:40.220 that can sometimes seem[br]obtuse, more accessible 0:27:40.220,0:27:41.233 and have an impact. 0:27:42.150,0:27:43.120 - Now, Hillary is great. 0:27:43.120,0:27:45.410 I mean, all the Breakthrough[br]Junior Challenge winners. 0:27:45.410,0:27:48.140 And it's a very impressive set of... 0:27:48.140,0:27:50.682 They get $250,000 for college, 0:27:50.682,0:27:53.570 - No.[br]- Their teacher gets $50,000 0:27:53.570,0:27:56.930 and then they get a I think[br]a 50 or $100,000 science lab 0:27:56.930,0:27:59.250 for the school, it's done[br]by the breakthrough prizes 0:27:59.250,0:28:01.070 and it's really a[br]brainchild of Yuri Milner 0:28:01.070,0:28:03.750 and several other folks[br]out here in Silicon Valley. 0:28:03.750,0:28:05.194 But yeah, it's incredible. 0:28:05.194,0:28:07.690 I'm privileged to be part of the process 0:28:07.690,0:28:10.260 as one of the judges and[br]obviously we get the word out 0:28:10.260,0:28:12.173 to the broader Khan Academy community. 0:28:13.160,0:28:14.710 And to your point, 0:28:14.710,0:28:18.170 Hilary shows that a lot[br]of people think somehow 0:28:18.170,0:28:20.633 that that STEM and[br]creativity don't go together 0:28:20.633,0:28:23.200 and in fact it's the exact opposite. 0:28:23.200,0:28:27.190 I always say, the factoring of polynomial, 0:28:28.440,0:28:29.500 those are giving you the toolkit 0:28:29.500,0:28:32.850 so that you can unlock[br]your creativity in STEM. 0:28:32.850,0:28:35.980 That's like saying that learning[br]to mix paint is painting. 0:28:35.980,0:28:40.060 No, that unlocks your capability[br]to then become a painter. 0:28:40.060,0:28:43.530 And you see someone like[br]Hillary shows that in spades 0:28:43.530,0:28:45.733 and shows the importance[br]of this type of work. 0:28:46.650,0:28:47.900 - Absolutely, absolutely. 0:28:49.050,0:28:54.020 I'm super excited about what[br]your teachers can make possible 0:28:54.020,0:28:54.913 for the kids. 0:28:56.200,0:28:59.610 - Yeah, well, Mala, all these[br]conversations go much faster 0:28:59.610,0:29:02.040 than I ever expect. 0:29:02.040,0:29:03.750 Time flies when you're having fun. 0:29:03.750,0:29:06.760 But I just wanted to[br]first of all thank you 0:29:06.760,0:29:08.100 for sharing your story with us. 0:29:08.100,0:29:09.380 Thank you for this partnership 0:29:09.380,0:29:11.070 between Adobe and Khan Academy. 0:29:11.070,0:29:13.710 I really do think it's going to unlock 0:29:13.710,0:29:17.960 hopefully many millions of[br]Hilary Andeles around the world 0:29:17.960,0:29:21.690 to benefit all of us and be[br]just more creative in the world 0:29:21.690,0:29:23.920 which I think just makes[br]the world more interesting. 0:29:23.920,0:29:27.190 Any final thoughts for all of the parents 0:29:27.190,0:29:29.253 and students and teachers listening? 0:29:30.760,0:29:35.760 - I want to say let your[br]kids express themselves 0:29:38.230,0:29:40.650 in the way that they want to 0:29:40.650,0:29:43.800 and know that the tools are just a means 0:29:43.800,0:29:48.800 to get their ideas out and[br]creativity is equally important 0:29:51.680,0:29:54.610 as the science and the[br]math that they're learning 0:29:54.610,0:29:55.910 because that ultimately 0:29:55.910,0:29:57.780 is how they will be able to have impact. 0:29:57.780,0:30:01.330 Is by bringing their[br]ideas out into the world, 0:30:01.330,0:30:04.850 sharing them with others[br]and having impact. 0:30:04.850,0:30:05.717 So, thank you. 0:30:06.690,0:30:08.360 - Love that, thank you so much Mala 0:30:08.360,0:30:09.870 and I couldn't agree with you more. 0:30:09.870,0:30:12.090 If you don't have that creativity side, 0:30:12.090,0:30:15.030 then really all of the skill level 0:30:15.030,0:30:16.960 is to some degree all for not. 0:30:16.960,0:30:19.390 It's all it everything[br]it needs to be in service 0:30:19.390,0:30:21.530 to creativity and we're so[br]excited about this partnership. 0:30:21.530,0:30:22.930 Thank you so much. 0:30:22.930,0:30:24.930 - Thank you, thank you, it's a pleasure. 0:30:26.020,0:30:27.900 And thanks for having me.[br]- Well, thanks everyone. 0:30:27.900,0:30:29.010 No, no, it's been a pleasure. 0:30:29.010,0:30:30.670 Thanks everyone for joining today. 0:30:30.670,0:30:32.460 We're very excited about this partnership 0:30:32.460,0:30:35.840 with Khan Academy and[br]Adobe around creativity. 0:30:35.840,0:30:38.650 Parents, students, teachers,[br]you can all check out the site 0:30:38.650,0:30:41.500 that we're doing on the creativity cloud. 0:30:41.500,0:30:44.580 I'm sure if you do a Google[br]search for Khan Academy, 0:30:44.580,0:30:46.430 Adobe and the Creative Cloud, 0:30:46.430,0:30:49.230 I'm sure you will find[br]all of these resources 0:30:49.230,0:30:51.700 and we look forward to[br]continuing to go on this journey 0:30:51.700,0:30:52.690 of learning with you. 0:30:52.690,0:30:53.523 Thanks everyone. 0:31:06.836,0:31:08.753 (beep)