Hello. My name is Erin McCluskey. 
This is a Wee BSL Blethers video on role models.

You will see I have somebody with me. 
Could you introduce yourself please?

My name is Margaret McLean.

Marvellous! Do you have a sign name, Margaret?

Just MML.

I’ll call you this sign name today if 
that’s alright? Okay. So I am going to

interview Margaret about her childhood. 
Find out what it was like for her growing up,

getting her first job and so on. 
I’m really looking forward to finding out more.

Margaret, firstly, can I ask what it 
was like for you growing up?

Well I come from a Deaf family so BSL 
was used every day at home.

I only have a ran into issues outside 
of home, with hearing people.

It did make me a bit reluctant to mix.

So growing up things were pretty easy 
and comfortable in terms of accessible

communication, at home at least?

Easy, yes. Everybody signed every day 
within my family so there were no issues at all.

So your family were all Deaf then?

Yes.

Parents? Your siblings?

Yes, all Deaf.

And were you all close?

Yes, we were a close family I would 
say, because of BSL. I was closest to

my father because he would tell me 
a lot of stuff. I think he was my

role model growing up.

How lovely. Your dad was your role model.

Yes.

He encouraged and supported you growing up?

Yes.

Marvellous. And that’s a perfect link into 
what I want to ask you about next

because I want to talk about school. 
When you first went to school, what was it like?

I first went to a local school. One I could
walk to from home. I think it was only about

five minutes away. My parents wanted 
me to go there so I was nearby.

They did not want to send me away 
to boarding school.

Unfortunately, the focus was very much 
on speaking and listening so my parents

eventually decided to send me to a 
school in Glasgow where they used sign language.

Makes sense. So your parents decided 
to remove you from that local school

because it did not suit you and they 
had to send you away.

Were you happy at your school in Glasgow?

It was okay. They used sign language 
there, but the teachers couldn’t really

sign very well. They would speak and 
throw in a few signs here in there, but not many.

And at that time I guess sign language was 
very much seen as undesirable, am I right?

Yes. It was a long time ago now and there 
were very old-fashioned views.

There was no real awareness of the 
language or its importance.

I think things are very different now of course.

Yes.

So, thinking about school, what was your 
favourite topic and what did

you really hate learning about?

I really loved arithmetic. Nobody calls it 
that anymore. It’s become maths hasn’t it.

But we used to call it arithmetic.

Oh really! So you were good 
at that and enjoyed it?

Yes. I loved arithmetic. I was okay at 
English. The subject I really hated was sewing.

Really! Why?

Yes! I always used to mess it up and 
get it wrong. I found it really frustrating.

Maybe you lacked 
confidence in that subject.

I think you’re right.

So you progressed through your schooling 
and eventually left school. Did you have any

support to help you find a job. 
Did you go to college or university?

There was nothing really back then.
I do remember meeting with the

Careers Advisor and telling them 
I wanted to become a Teacher of the Deaf.

They told me I could not do that because 
I was Deaf myself. What a discriminatory attitude!

I decided to ask the social worker 
about it and told them the same thing,

that I wanted to become a Teacher of 
the Deaf. They also told me that I could

not do that job and suggested that 
I become a machinist. I refused and they

said I would have to go 
to the DHSS in that case.

What is the DHSS?

It’s what’s known as the DWP these days.

Oh I see.

Similar to the job centre now. So I went 
along, and they suggested I try for office

work, which sounded okay, but it meant 
I had to go to college. They helped me fill

in the application forms and I sent 
them off. I soon heard that I’d been

offered a place which was great. 
I went to college to learn how to be a secretary,

but I found it really difficult 
because I did not have an interpreter.

How did you get on?

I managed the best I could. I kept asking 
the lady sat next to me what we were

supposed to be doing. I think she 
found it a bit frustrating.

She was fed up that I was taking up 
her time. I tried my best though and

I did get through the course and 
luckily, straight out to work.

And you got your certificate? Did you 
go off and work in an office then?

Yes that’s right. The course was a year 
and then after that I got a job in an office.

I was there for seven years, 
then I left to start a family.

So when you became pregnant, you left 
your job and focused on raising your family.

Did you take on any other work after that?

I did a few little jobs, but nothing 
interesting until I saw an advert for a

BSL role model essentially. At that time, 
the role was known as an auxiliary.

It’s changed now. I was not successful 
the first time I applied for one of these roles.

It wasn’t until my third attempt 
that I finally got a job.

Do you know why you were unsuccessful 
the first two times you tried?