1 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - [Christina] The most important thing that I try to pass on 2 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 is the sense that economics is an empirical field, 3 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 then if you get new empirical evidence, 4 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you're going to have to change the way 5 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you think about the economy. 6 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I think being open to that 7 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 is the most important thing for a young economist to know. 8 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Economists -- not a group 9 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 with a lot of Marys, Natashas or Juanitas, 10 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and that's caused a lot of controversy. 11 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 However, what's often overlooked are the actual female economists 12 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 who are pushing economics forward 13 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 by addressing real-world issues. 14 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Welcome to Women in Economics. 15 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 ♪ [music] ♪ 16 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I grew up in a family 17 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 where public policy was discussed a lot. 18 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I was planning to be a lawyer, 19 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so I was going to major in Government. 20 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And as part of the Government major at my college, 21 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you had to take a year of Economics. 22 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I was about three weeks in, and I was hooked, 23 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 like the government major's gone, the lawyer's gone, 24 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I was in an Economist. 25 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Christina Romer is a macro economic historian. 26 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 She takes the tools of modern economics, 27 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 statistics, and data 28 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and applies them to historical questions. 29 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - [Narrator] Christy's researcher agenda throughout her career 30 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 has focused on a course set of topics 31 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 about economic fluctuations and business cycles. 32 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 She's been asking and answering 33 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 fascinating questions about our economy, 34 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 starting with her dissertation as a graduate student at MIT. 35 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 There, she changed her understanding 36 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 of how the economy has grown over time. 37 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I think the questions that came to me 38 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 were about monetary policy and business cycles 39 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and the Great Depression. 40 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - [Narrator] It was widely believed 41 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that government policies led to less fluctuations and unemployment 42 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 after World War II. 43 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 However, the data before World War II was unreliable. 44 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - [Nancy] But Christy came up with the ingenious insight 45 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that while you couldn't clean up the historical data, 46 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you could fuzzy up the more modern data, 47 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and that's exactly what she did. 48 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And when she did it, lo and behold, 49 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 all these differences basically collapsed. 50 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - [Narrator] Amazingly, if she applied 51 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the old techniques to the new data, 52 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the pose WOrld War II economy 53 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 looked just as volatile as the pre-World War economy. 54 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 This contradicted the consensus 55 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 on the role of government stabilization policies. 56 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Her research rattled the economic community. 57 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 It made a splash. 58 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I remember one of the prominent economist MIT, 59 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 his first reaction was, 60 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 "Well, I'd be very upset about this if I believed it. 61 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So I'm not going to believe it." 62 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Throughout her academic career, 63 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Christine continued to challenge 64 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 her understanding of the Great Depression. 65 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 As just one example, most economists believed 66 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the Great Depression ended 67 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 because of higher government spending 68 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and investment in public works. 69 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 She showed that the impact of those policies 70 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 were relatively small compared to 71 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the monetary policy changes taking place. 72 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - [ ] Starting as soon as Roosevelt took the US off the gold standard 73 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 when he took office in 1933, 74 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 over the next decade, 75 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 there's just an enormous increase in money supply. 76 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 What he showed was that 77 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that is what caused the very rapid growth that we had. 78 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - [Narrator] Christina's research has often focused on the effect 79 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 economic events have on people's everyday lives. 80 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - [ ] It's tough to manage to have new ideas on the same thing 81 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 again and again and again. 82 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 One of the remarkable things 83 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 about Christy and David's research program 84 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 is that they have done that very successfully. 85 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - [Narrator] Over 35 years, 86 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Christina has done meticulous research, 87 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 frequently, with her collaborator and husband, David Romer. 88 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - [David] We'll have her paper, and I think it's almost done. 89 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 We've worked really hard on it, 90 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and each do one last read. 91 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 She says, "You know, I think there's a logical tension 92 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 between where we end up in Section 4b 93 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and how we set out what we're going to do in Section 2a. 94 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And I'm thinking, "Oh, no one's going to notice." 95 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And we spend weeks more on the paper because she's right. 96 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And the paper gets much better. 97 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - [ ] One of the remarkable things about her work 98 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 is the coherence that spans literally her graduate school days 99 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and her work on her dissertation, 100 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and connects up to some of her most recent work 101 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 on thinking about ways of identifying 102 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 turning points in the economy. 103 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - [Narrator] Christina's work would be put to the test 104 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 during the devasting crash of 2008, 105 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 when the US economy was in free fall. 106 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - [Christina] We often describe the economy 107 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 as at the edge of a cliff. 108 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Well, the truth is, we're not only at the edge of a cliff, 109 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we were headed down. 110 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Financial markets were plunging, 111 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and the risk of contagion from the US to the global economy 112 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 was v ery real. 113 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - [ ] Even people who'd see a lot 114 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 were really worried about what was happening. 115 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Just as the nation was turning to President-elect Obama 116 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to confront the economic crisis, 117 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 a mysterious email showed up in Christina'a inbox 118 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 with the subject line: "Obama Transition." 119 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - [ ] And I will take a little bit of credit here 120 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 because Christina was just about to delete it, 121 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and I said, "Why don't you at least google fitst." 122 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And she discovered that he was the head of the economic side of the transition. 123 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 The Obama administration wanted to meet with Christina as soon as possible. 124 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - [ ] On the next day, she was on a plane to Chicago to meet with the President-elect. 125 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - [Narrator] Christina was asked to chair the Council of Economic Advisers. 126 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 The council wa sset up to bring academics into the policy-making process 127 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and make recommendations to the President. 128 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - [Christina] I was taking to Rahm Emanuel, and I said, 129 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 "So tell me again, how did I get this job?" 130 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And he said, "You were an expert on the Great Depression, 131 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and we thought we might need one." 132 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - [Janet] She's tried to understand what caused the Depression, 133 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 what ended the Depression, 134 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 what role monitoring and fiscal policy oculd play 135 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and no one could be better positioned to know what the right strategy woulf be. 136 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - [CHristina] We were talking to bankers, 137 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we were talking to employers, 138 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we were talking to the people that where collecting the statistics. 139 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - [Marrator] Christina'a research revealed 140 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that the economy was even more of a perilous position 141 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 than previously thgoutt. 142 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 SHe got on the phone with Obama to give him the bad news. 143 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - [Christina] Saying, you going, this is terrible. 144 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 We've lost three-quarters of a million jobs. 145 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I'm just going on like this, and finally he stops me 146 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and he said, "Christy, it's not your fault... yet." 147 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - [ ] The challenge that CHristy and her team members on the Economic Advisory Team confronted 148 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 was how large a stimulus the US economy needed 149 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 in order to right the ship 150 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and trying to calibrate that depended critically on the estimates 151 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 of how much bang for the buck you get 152 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 when you use fiscal policy as a tool 153 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and try to then inflate the economy. 154 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - [Marrator} CHristina helped design a fiscal package 155 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that she thought was necessary to get the economy moving. 156 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - [Gabriel] The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act 157 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 is a piece of legislation that was signed in February of 2009, 158 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and it was a combination of direct government spending, 159 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so think of repairing highways, 160 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 transfers to State governments, 161 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 transfers to individuals and tax cuts. 162 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And the rationale for it was for the time when households were spending less 163 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and busniesses were spending less -- 164 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that's a time when it's appropriate for government to spend a little more 165 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to fill in that gap. 166 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 The recessions leave long scars, 167 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and people who lose their jobs during recession 168 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and they're unemployed for a while -- 169 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 even ten years later, often are earning less 170 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 than they were before the recession occurred. 171 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So by making the case, 172 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 both in acaedemic research, and then as a policymaker, 173 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the government could do more to mitigate recessions 174 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that really has an impact probably hundreds of thousands of people 175 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 kept their jobs during the Great Recession 176 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 because hse had become an expert on the behavior of the economy, 177 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 on the effects of fiscal policy. 178 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - [ ] And she was realy passionate about the role that she played 179 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 after the financial crisis and the Great Recession