1 00:00:00,612 --> 00:00:02,967 - [Christina] The most important thing that I try to pass on 2 00:00:02,967 --> 00:00:06,422 is the sense that economics is an empirical field, 3 00:00:06,422 --> 00:00:08,442 then if you get new empirical evidence, 4 00:00:08,442 --> 00:00:11,029 you're going to have to change the way 5 00:00:11,029 --> 00:00:13,050 you think about the economy. 6 00:00:13,050 --> 00:00:15,220 I think being open to that 7 00:00:15,220 --> 00:00:18,791 is the most important thing for a young economist to know. 8 00:00:18,791 --> 00:00:21,646 - [Narrator] Economists -- not a group 9 00:00:21,646 --> 00:00:25,012 with a lot of Marys, Natashas or Juanitas, 10 00:00:25,012 --> 00:00:27,550 and that's caused a lot of controversy. 11 00:00:27,550 --> 00:00:31,340 However, what's often overlooked are the actual female economists 12 00:00:31,340 --> 00:00:33,209 who are pushing economics forward 13 00:00:33,209 --> 00:00:35,212 by addressing real-world issues. 14 00:00:35,212 --> 00:00:38,818 Welcome to Women in Economics. 15 00:00:39,420 --> 00:00:45,829 ♪ [music] ♪ 16 00:00:45,829 --> 00:00:47,749 - [Christina] I grew up in a family 17 00:00:47,749 --> 00:00:52,604 where public policy was discussed a lot. 18 00:00:52,604 --> 00:00:54,641 I was planning to be a lawyer, 19 00:00:54,641 --> 00:00:58,714 so I was going to major in Government. 20 00:00:58,714 --> 00:01:01,635 And as part of the Government major at my college, 21 00:01:01,635 --> 00:01:03,504 you had to take a year of Economics. 22 00:01:03,504 --> 00:01:07,210 I was about three weeks in, and I was hooked, 23 00:01:07,210 --> 00:01:11,267 like the government major's gone, the lawyer's gone, 24 00:01:11,267 --> 00:01:14,389 I was in an Economist. 25 00:01:14,389 --> 00:01:18,139 - [Narrator] Christina Romer is a macro economic historian. 26 00:01:18,139 --> 00:01:20,224 She takes the tools of modern economics, 27 00:01:20,224 --> 00:01:21,895 statistics, and data 28 00:01:21,895 --> 00:01:25,783 and applies them to historical questions. 29 00:01:25,783 --> 00:01:29,393 - [James] Christy's researcher agenda throughout her career 30 00:01:29,393 --> 00:01:32,014 has focused on a course set of topics 31 00:01:32,014 --> 00:01:36,137 about economic fluctuations and business cycles. 32 00:01:36,137 --> 00:01:37,557 - [Narrator] She's been asking and answering 33 00:01:37,557 --> 00:01:40,125 fascinating questions about our economy, 34 00:01:40,125 --> 00:01:43,944 starting with her dissertation as a graduate student at MIT. 35 00:01:43,944 --> 00:01:45,614 There, she changed her understanding 36 00:01:45,614 --> 00:01:49,887 of how the economy has grown over time. 37 00:01:49,887 --> 00:01:52,461 - [Christina] I think the questions that came to me 38 00:01:52,461 --> 00:01:55,582 were about monetary policy and business cycles 39 00:01:55,582 --> 00:01:58,370 and the Great Depression. 40 00:01:58,370 --> 00:01:59,472 - [Narrator] It was widely believed 41 00:01:59,472 --> 00:02:03,245 that government policies led to less fluctuations and unemployment 42 00:02:03,245 --> 00:02:05,248 after World War II. 43 00:02:05,248 --> 00:02:09,273 However, the data before World War II was unreliable. 44 00:02:09,273 --> 00:02:11,441 - [Nancy] But Christy came up with the ingenious insight 45 00:02:11,441 --> 00:02:15,031 that while you couldn't clean up the historical data, 46 00:02:15,031 --> 00:02:17,319 you could fuzzy up the more modern data, 47 00:02:17,319 --> 00:02:18,821 and that's exactly what she did. 48 00:02:18,821 --> 00:02:20,623 And when she did it, lo and behold, 49 00:02:20,623 --> 00:02:24,329 all these differences basically collapsed. 50 00:02:24,329 --> 00:02:25,915 - [Narrator] Amazingly, if she applied 51 00:02:25,915 --> 00:02:28,603 the old techniques to the new data, 52 00:02:28,603 --> 00:02:30,272 the pose WOrld War II economy 53 00:02:30,272 --> 00:02:34,496 looked just as volatile as the pre-World War economy. 54 00:02:34,496 --> 00:02:36,181 This contradicted the consensus 55 00:02:36,181 --> 00:02:39,787 on the role of government stabilization policies. 56 00:02:39,787 --> 00:02:43,110 Her research rattled the economic community. 57 00:02:43,110 --> 00:02:44,896 - [David] It made a splash. 58 00:02:44,896 --> 00:02:47,818 I remember one of the prominent economist MIT, 59 00:02:47,818 --> 00:02:49,002 his first reaction was, 60 00:02:49,002 --> 00:02:51,786 "Well, I'd be very upset about this if I believed it. 61 00:02:51,786 --> 00:02:54,256 So I'm not going to believe it." 62 00:02:54,256 --> 00:02:55,704 - [Narrator] Throughout her academic career, 63 00:02:55,704 --> 00:02:57,577 Christine continued to challenge 64 00:02:57,577 --> 00:03:00,537 our understanding of the Great Depression. 65 00:03:00,537 --> 00:03:04,009 As just one example, most economists believed 66 00:03:04,009 --> 00:03:05,526 the Great Depression ended 67 00:03:05,526 --> 00:03:07,314 because of higher government spending 68 00:03:07,314 --> 00:03:10,135 and investment in public works. 69 00:03:10,135 --> 00:03:13,325 She showed that the impact of those policies 70 00:03:13,325 --> 00:03:15,193 were relatively small compared to 71 00:03:15,193 --> 00:03:18,833 the monetary policy changes taking place. 72 00:03:18,833 --> 00:03:22,489 - [ ] Starting as soon as Roosevelt took the US off the gold standard 73 00:03:22,489 --> 00:03:24,742 when he took office in 1933, 74 00:03:24,742 --> 00:03:26,193 over the next decade, 75 00:03:26,193 --> 00:03:29,066 there's just an enormous increase in money supply. 76 00:03:29,066 --> 00:03:30,486 What he showed was that 77 00:03:30,486 --> 00:03:34,375 that is what caused the very rapid growth that we had. 78 00:03:34,375 --> 00:03:37,129 - [Narrator] Christina's research has often focused on the effect 79 00:03:37,129 --> 00:03:41,303 economic events have on people's everyday lives. 80 00:03:41,303 --> 00:03:44,525 - [ ] It's tough to manage to have new ideas on the same thing 81 00:03:44,525 --> 00:03:46,295 again and again and again. 82 00:03:46,295 --> 00:03:47,196 One of the remarkable things 83 00:03:47,196 --> 00:03:48,916 about Christy and David's research program 84 00:03:48,916 --> 00:03:51,937 is that they have done that very successfully. 85 00:03:51,937 --> 00:03:53,222 - [Narrator] Over 35 years, 86 00:03:53,222 --> 00:03:55,942 Christina has done meticulous research, 87 00:03:55,942 --> 00:04:00,050 frequently, with her collaborator and husband, David Romer. 88 00:04:00,050 --> 00:04:02,521 - [David] We'll have her paper, and I think it's almost done. 89 00:04:02,521 --> 00:04:05,109 We've worked really hard on it, 90 00:04:05,109 --> 00:04:07,496 and each do one last read. 91 00:04:07,496 --> 00:04:11,101 She says, "You know, I think there's a logical tension 92 00:04:11,101 --> 00:04:14,207 between where we end up in Section 4b 93 00:04:14,207 --> 00:04:18,130 and how we set out what we're going to do in Section 2a. 94 00:04:18,130 --> 00:04:21,169 And I'm thinking, "Oh, no one's going to notice." 95 00:04:21,169 --> 00:04:26,426 And we spend weeks more on the paper because she's right. 96 00:04:26,426 --> 00:04:28,563 And the paper gets much better. 97 00:04:28,563 --> 00:04:31,017 - [ ] One of the remarkable things about her work 98 00:04:31,017 --> 00:04:36,560 is the coherence that spans literally her graduate school days 99 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:38,329 and her work on her dissertation, 100 00:04:38,329 --> 00:04:40,416 and connects up to some of her most recent work 101 00:04:40,416 --> 00:04:41,952 on thinking about ways of identifying 102 00:04:41,952 --> 00:04:43,571 turning points in the economy. 103 00:04:43,571 --> 00:04:48,079 - [Narrator] Christina's work would be put to the test 104 00:04:48,079 --> 00:04:52,168 during the devasting crash of 2008, 105 00:04:52,168 --> 00:04:54,773 when the US economy was in free fall. 106 00:04:54,773 --> 00:04:56,290 - [Christina] We often described the economy 107 00:04:56,290 --> 00:04:59,080 as at the edge of a cliff. 108 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,820 Well, the truth is, we were not only at the edge of a cliff, 109 00:05:01,820 --> 00:05:03,387 we were headed down. 110 00:05:03,387 --> 00:05:05,798 - [Narrator] Financial markets were plunging, 111 00:05:05,798 --> 00:05:09,121 and the risk of contagion from the US to the global economy 112 00:05:09,121 --> 00:05:10,698 was v ery real. 113 00:05:10,698 --> 00:05:12,642 - [ ] Even people who'd see a lot 114 00:05:12,642 --> 00:05:15,063 were really worried about what was happening. 115 00:05:15,063 --> 00:05:17,967 - [Narrator] Just as the nation was turning 116 00:05:17,967 --> 00:05:18,797 to President-elect Obama 117 00:05:18,797 --> 00:05:20,586 to confront the economic crisis, 118 00:05:20,586 --> 00:05:23,853 a mysterious email showed up in Christina'a inbox 119 00:05:23,853 --> 00:05:26,908 with the subject line: "Obama Transition." 120 00:05:26,908 --> 00:05:28,962 - [ ] And I will take a little bit of credit here 121 00:05:28,962 --> 00:05:31,634 because Christina was just about to delete it, 122 00:05:31,634 --> 00:05:34,370 and I said, "Why don't you at least google the person." 123 00:05:34,370 --> 00:05:36,113 And she discovered that he was the head 124 00:05:36,113 --> 00:05:38,783 of the economic side of the transition. 125 00:05:38,783 --> 00:05:41,638 The Obama administration wanted to meet with Christina 126 00:05:41,638 --> 00:05:43,139 as soon as possible. 127 00:05:43,139 --> 00:05:45,829 - [ ] On the next day, she was on a plane to Chicago 128 00:05:45,829 --> 00:05:47,698 to meet with the President-elect. 129 00:05:47,698 --> 00:05:49,183 - [Narrator] Christina was asked to chair 130 00:05:49,183 --> 00:05:51,555 the Council of Economic Advisers. 131 00:05:51,555 --> 00:05:52,855 The council was set up 132 00:05:52,855 --> 00:05:55,928 to bring academics into the policy-making process 133 00:05:55,928 --> 00:05:58,297 and make recommendations to the President. 134 00:05:58,297 --> 00:06:00,518 - [Christina] I was talking to Rahm Emanuel, and I said, 135 00:06:00,518 --> 00:06:02,907 "So tell me again, how did I get this job?" 136 00:06:02,907 --> 00:06:05,778 And he said, "You were an expert on the Great Depression, 137 00:06:05,778 --> 00:06:08,748 and we thought we might need one." 138 00:06:08,748 --> 00:06:13,440 - [Janet] She's tried to understand what caused the Depression, 139 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:15,092 what ended the Depression, 140 00:06:15,092 --> 00:06:18,965 what role monitoring and fiscal policy could play 141 00:06:18,965 --> 00:06:21,971 and no one could be better positioned to know 142 00:06:21,971 --> 00:06:24,475 what the right strategy would be. 143 00:06:24,475 --> 00:06:27,161 - [Christina] We were talking to bankers, 144 00:06:27,161 --> 00:06:29,065 we were talking to employers, 145 00:06:29,065 --> 00:06:31,636 we were talking to the people 146 00:06:31,636 --> 00:06:34,039 that where collecting the statistics. 147 00:06:34,039 --> 00:06:36,411 - [Narrator] Christina's research revealed that the economy 148 00:06:36,411 --> 00:06:38,664 was even more of a perilous position 149 00:06:38,664 --> 00:06:40,566 than previously thgoutt. 150 00:06:40,566 --> 00:06:44,474 She got on the phone with Obama to give him the bad news. 151 00:06:44,474 --> 00:06:46,793 - [Christina] Saying, you going, this is terrible. 152 00:06:46,793 --> 00:06:48,113 We've lost three-quarters of a million jobs. 153 00:06:48,113 --> 00:06:51,034 I'm just going on like this, and finally he stops me 154 00:06:51,034 --> 00:06:57,295 and he said, "Christy, it's not your fault... yet." 155 00:06:57,295 --> 00:07:00,332 - [ ] The challenge that Christy and her team members 156 00:07:00,332 --> 00:07:02,836 on the Economic Advisory Team confronted 157 00:07:02,836 --> 00:07:06,726 was how large a stimulus the US economy needed 158 00:07:06,726 --> 00:07:08,947 in order to right the ship 159 00:07:08,947 --> 00:07:10,332 and trying to calibrate that 160 00:07:10,332 --> 00:07:12,636 depended critically on the estimates 161 00:07:12,636 --> 00:07:15,073 of how much bang for the buck you get 162 00:07:15,073 --> 00:07:18,412 when you use fiscal policy as a tool 163 00:07:18,412 --> 00:07:20,516 and try to then reinflate the economy. 164 00:07:20,516 --> 00:07:22,983 - [Narrator] Christina helped design a fiscal package 165 00:07:22,983 --> 00:07:26,640 that she thought was necessary to get the economy moving. 166 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:28,293 - [Gabriel] The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act 167 00:07:28,293 --> 00:07:29,445 is a piece of legislation 168 00:07:29,445 --> 00:07:32,449 that was signed in February of 2009, 169 00:07:32,449 --> 00:07:35,856 and it was a combination of direct government spending, 170 00:07:35,856 --> 00:07:37,474 so think of repairing highways, 171 00:07:37,474 --> 00:07:40,129 transfers to State governments, 172 00:07:40,129 --> 00:07:43,851 transfers to individuals and tax cuts. 173 00:07:43,851 --> 00:07:46,756 And the rationale for it was for the time 174 00:07:46,756 --> 00:07:48,625 when households were spending less 175 00:07:48,625 --> 00:07:50,379 and businesses were spending less -- 176 00:07:50,379 --> 00:07:51,681 that's a time when it's appropriate 177 00:07:51,681 --> 00:07:53,350 for government to spend a little more 178 00:07:53,350 --> 00:07:55,219 to fill in that gap. 179 00:07:55,219 --> 00:07:58,958 The recessions leave long scars, 180 00:07:58,958 --> 00:08:01,129 and people who lose their jobs during recessions 181 00:08:01,129 --> 00:08:02,841 and they're unemployed for a while -- 182 00:08:02,841 --> 00:08:05,495 even ten years later, often are earning less 183 00:08:05,495 --> 00:08:08,248 than they were before the recession occurred. 184 00:08:08,248 --> 00:08:10,103 So by making the case, 185 00:08:10,103 --> 00:08:13,708 both in academic research and then as a policymaker, 186 00:08:13,708 --> 00:08:16,881 the government could do more to mitigate recessions 187 00:08:16,881 --> 00:08:20,803 that really has an impact probably hundreds of thousands of people 188 00:08:20,803 --> 00:08:23,397 kept their jobs during the Great Recession 189 00:08:23,397 --> 00:08:28,272 because she had become an expert on the behavior of the economy, 190 00:08:28,272 --> 00:08:30,426 on the effects of fiscal policy. 191 00:08:30,426 --> 00:08:36,319 - [ ] And she was really passionate about the role that she played 192 00:08:36,319 --> 00:08:40,642 after the financial crisis and the Great Recession 193 00:08:40,642 --> 00:08:44,297 and for passionately, for policies 194 00:08:44,297 --> 00:08:47,620 that would address the 9 million people 195 00:08:47,620 --> 00:08:48,756 who lost their jobs 196 00:08:48,756 --> 00:08:50,976 and get the economy moving. 197 00:08:50,976 --> 00:08:53,679 - [ ] Christy was a very fortunate person to have in that role 198 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,301 because much of her work, academically, 199 00:08:56,301 --> 00:08:58,370 over the 25 years before that, 200 00:08:58,370 --> 00:09:00,643 had been focused on trying to understand 201 00:09:00,643 --> 00:09:02,578 the nature of the linkages 202 00:09:02,578 --> 00:09:05,166 between fiscal policy, monetary policy 203 00:09:05,166 --> 00:09:06,837 and economic outcomes. 204 00:09:06,837 --> 00:09:07,837 - [ ] That's an unusual case. 205 00:09:07,837 --> 00:09:10,257 We can really see a pretty direct connection 206 00:09:10,257 --> 00:09:16,719 between ivory tower research and real lives on a big scale. 207 00:09:16,719 --> 00:09:17,937 - [Narrator] Romer's work at Berkeley 208 00:09:17,937 --> 00:09:20,875 continues to ask and answer these important questions 209 00:09:20,875 --> 00:09:22,544 about the macroeconomy. 210 00:09:22,544 --> 00:09:25,615 - [Christina] If you think about what matters to a typical person: 211 00:09:25,615 --> 00:09:29,622 Do they have a job? Can they support their family? 212 00:09:29,622 --> 00:09:32,877 Can they give their children a better life 213 00:09:32,877 --> 00:09:34,063 than they themselves had? 214 00:09:34,063 --> 00:09:36,534 You realize that economic issues, 215 00:09:36,534 --> 00:09:38,854 how well the economy operates, 216 00:09:38,854 --> 00:09:42,360 is probably one of the things that affects people's lives 217 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,513 more than anything else. 218 00:09:47,033 --> 00:09:47,868 ♪ [music] ♪ 219 00:09:47,868 --> 00:09:50,005 - [Narrator] Want to better understand Romer and business cycles? 220 00:09:50,005 --> 00:09:53,160 Click here for related materials and practice questions, 221 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,564 or check out other videos and how economists 222 00:09:55,564 --> 00:09:57,730 are tackling all sorts of issues, 223 00:09:57,730 --> 00:10:00,484 ranging from weighty topics, such as the macroeconomy, 224 00:10:00,484 --> 00:10:03,102 to everyday items, like Wikipedia and wine... 225 00:10:03,262 --> 00:10:05,246 yes, even wine.