1 00:00:00,382 --> 00:00:02,737 - [Christina] The most important thing that I try to pass on 2 00:00:02,737 --> 00:00:06,192 is the sense that economics is an empirical field, 3 00:00:06,192 --> 00:00:08,212 then if you get new empirical evidence, 4 00:00:08,212 --> 00:00:10,799 you're going to have to change the way 5 00:00:10,799 --> 00:00:12,820 you think about the economy. 6 00:00:12,820 --> 00:00:14,990 I think being open to that 7 00:00:14,990 --> 00:00:18,561 is the most important thing for a young economist to know. 8 00:00:18,561 --> 00:00:21,416 - [Narrator] Economists -- not a group 9 00:00:21,416 --> 00:00:24,782 with a lot of Marys, Natashas or Juanitas, 10 00:00:24,782 --> 00:00:27,320 and that's caused a lot of controversy. 11 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:31,110 However, what's often overlooked are the actual female economists 12 00:00:31,110 --> 00:00:32,979 who are pushing economics forward 13 00:00:32,979 --> 00:00:34,982 by addressing real-world issues. 14 00:00:34,982 --> 00:00:38,588 Welcome to Women in Economics. 15 00:00:39,190 --> 00:00:45,599 ♪ [music] ♪ 16 00:00:45,599 --> 00:00:47,519 - [Christina] I grew up in a family 17 00:00:47,519 --> 00:00:52,374 where public policy was discussed a lot. 18 00:00:52,374 --> 00:00:54,411 I was planning to be a lawyer, 19 00:00:54,411 --> 00:00:58,484 so I was going to major in Government. 20 00:00:58,484 --> 00:01:01,405 And as part of the Government major at my college, 21 00:01:01,405 --> 00:01:03,274 you had to take a year of Economics. 22 00:01:03,274 --> 00:01:06,980 I was about three weeks in, and I was hooked, 23 00:01:06,980 --> 00:01:11,037 like the government major's gone, the lawyer's gone, 24 00:01:11,037 --> 00:01:14,159 I was in an Economist. 25 00:01:14,159 --> 00:01:17,909 - [Narrator] Christina Romer is a macro economic historian. 26 00:01:17,909 --> 00:01:19,994 She takes the tools of modern economics, 27 00:01:19,994 --> 00:01:21,665 statistics, and data 28 00:01:21,665 --> 00:01:25,553 and applies them to historical questions. 29 00:01:25,553 --> 00:01:29,163 - [James] Christy's researcher agenda throughout her career 30 00:01:29,163 --> 00:01:31,784 has focused on a course set of topics 31 00:01:31,784 --> 00:01:35,907 about economic fluctuations and business cycles. 32 00:01:35,907 --> 00:01:37,327 - [Narrator] She's been asking and answering 33 00:01:37,327 --> 00:01:39,895 fascinating questions about our economy, 34 00:01:39,895 --> 00:01:43,714 starting with her dissertation as a graduate student at MIT. 35 00:01:43,714 --> 00:01:45,384 There, she changed her understanding 36 00:01:45,384 --> 00:01:49,657 of how the economy has grown over time. 37 00:01:49,657 --> 00:01:52,231 - [Christina] I think the questions that came to me 38 00:01:52,231 --> 00:01:55,352 were about monetary policy and business cycles 39 00:01:55,352 --> 00:01:58,140 and the Great Depression. 40 00:01:58,140 --> 00:01:59,242 - [Narrator] It was widely believed 41 00:01:59,242 --> 00:02:03,015 that government policies led to less fluctuations and unemployment 42 00:02:03,015 --> 00:02:05,018 after World War II. 43 00:02:05,018 --> 00:02:09,043 However, the data before World War II was unreliable. 44 00:02:09,043 --> 00:02:11,211 - [Nancy] But Christy came up with the ingenious insight 45 00:02:11,211 --> 00:02:14,801 that while you couldn't clean up the historical data, 46 00:02:14,801 --> 00:02:17,089 you could fuzzy up the more modern data, 47 00:02:17,089 --> 00:02:18,591 and that's exactly what she did. 48 00:02:18,591 --> 00:02:20,393 And when she did it, lo and behold, 49 00:02:20,393 --> 00:02:24,099 all these differences basically collapsed. 50 00:02:24,099 --> 00:02:25,685 - [Narrator] Amazingly, if she applied 51 00:02:25,685 --> 00:02:28,373 the old techniques to the new data, 52 00:02:28,373 --> 00:02:30,042 the pose WOrld War II economy 53 00:02:30,042 --> 00:02:34,266 looked just as volatile as the pre-World War economy. 54 00:02:34,266 --> 00:02:35,951 This contradicted the consensus 55 00:02:35,951 --> 00:02:39,557 on the role of government stabilization policies. 56 00:02:39,557 --> 00:02:42,880 Her research rattled the economic community. 57 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:44,666 - [David] It made a splash. 58 00:02:44,666 --> 00:02:47,588 I remember one of the prominent economist MIT, 59 00:02:47,588 --> 00:02:48,772 his first reaction was, 60 00:02:48,772 --> 00:02:51,556 "Well, I'd be very upset about this if I believed it. 61 00:02:51,556 --> 00:02:54,026 So I'm not going to believe it." 62 00:02:54,026 --> 00:02:55,474 - [Narrator] Throughout her academic career, 63 00:02:55,474 --> 00:02:57,347 Christine continued to challenge 64 00:02:57,347 --> 00:03:00,307 our understanding of the Great Depression. 65 00:03:00,307 --> 00:03:03,779 As just one example, most economists believed 66 00:03:03,779 --> 00:03:05,296 the Great Depression ended 67 00:03:05,296 --> 00:03:07,084 because of higher government spending 68 00:03:07,084 --> 00:03:09,905 and investment in public works. 69 00:03:09,905 --> 00:03:13,095 She showed that the impact of those policies 70 00:03:13,095 --> 00:03:14,963 were relatively small compared to 71 00:03:14,963 --> 00:03:18,603 the monetary policy changes taking place. 72 00:03:18,603 --> 00:03:22,259 - [ ] Starting as soon as Roosevelt took the US off the gold standard 73 00:03:22,259 --> 00:03:24,512 when he took office in 1933, 74 00:03:24,512 --> 00:03:25,963 over the next decade, 75 00:03:25,963 --> 00:03:28,836 there's just an enormous increase in money supply. 76 00:03:28,836 --> 00:03:30,256 What he showed was that 77 00:03:30,256 --> 00:03:34,145 that is what caused the very rapid growth that we had. 78 00:03:34,145 --> 00:03:36,899 - [Narrator] Christina's research has often focused on the effect 79 00:03:36,899 --> 00:03:41,073 economic events have on people's everyday lives. 80 00:03:41,073 --> 00:03:44,295 - [ ] It's tough to manage to have new ideas on the same thing 81 00:03:44,295 --> 00:03:46,065 again and again and again. 82 00:03:46,065 --> 00:03:46,966 One of the remarkable things 83 00:03:46,966 --> 00:03:48,686 about Christy and David's research program 84 00:03:48,686 --> 00:03:51,707 is that they have done that very successfully. 85 00:03:51,707 --> 00:03:52,992 - [Narrator] Over 35 years, 86 00:03:52,992 --> 00:03:55,712 Christina has done meticulous research, 87 00:03:55,712 --> 00:03:59,820 frequently, with her collaborator and husband, David Romer. 88 00:03:59,820 --> 00:04:02,291 - [David] We'll have her paper, and I think it's almost done. 89 00:04:02,291 --> 00:04:04,879 We've worked really hard on it, 90 00:04:04,879 --> 00:04:07,266 and each do one last read. 91 00:04:07,266 --> 00:04:10,871 She says, "You know, I think there's a logical tension 92 00:04:10,871 --> 00:04:13,977 between where we end up in Section 4b 93 00:04:13,977 --> 00:04:17,900 and how we set out what we're going to do in Section 2a. 94 00:04:17,900 --> 00:04:20,939 And I'm thinking, "Oh, no one's going to notice." 95 00:04:20,939 --> 00:04:26,196 And we spend weeks more on the paper because she's right. 96 00:04:26,196 --> 00:04:28,333 And the paper gets much better. 97 00:04:28,333 --> 00:04:30,787 - [ ] One of the remarkable things about her work 98 00:04:30,787 --> 00:04:36,330 is the coherence that spans literally her graduate school days 99 00:04:36,330 --> 00:04:38,099 and her work on her dissertation, 100 00:04:38,099 --> 00:04:40,186 and connects up to some of her most recent work 101 00:04:40,186 --> 00:04:41,722 on thinking about ways of identifying 102 00:04:41,722 --> 00:04:43,341 turning points in the economy. 103 00:04:43,341 --> 00:04:47,849 - [Narrator] Christina's work would be put to the test 104 00:04:47,849 --> 00:04:51,938 during the devasting crash of 2008, 105 00:04:51,938 --> 00:04:54,543 when the US economy was in free fall. 106 00:04:54,543 --> 00:04:56,060 - [Christina] We often described the economy 107 00:04:56,060 --> 00:04:58,850 as at the edge of a cliff. 108 00:04:58,850 --> 00:05:01,590 Well, the truth is, we were not only at the edge of a cliff, 109 00:05:01,590 --> 00:05:03,157 we were headed down. 110 00:05:03,157 --> 00:05:05,568 - [Narrator] Financial markets were plunging, 111 00:05:05,568 --> 00:05:08,891 and the risk of contagion from the US to the global economy 112 00:05:08,891 --> 00:05:10,468 was v ery real. 113 00:05:10,468 --> 00:05:12,412 - [ ] Even people who'd see a lot 114 00:05:12,412 --> 00:05:14,833 were really worried about what was happening. 115 00:05:14,833 --> 00:05:17,737 - [Narrator] Just as the nation was turning 116 00:05:17,737 --> 00:05:18,567 to President-elect Obama 117 00:05:18,567 --> 00:05:20,356 to confront the economic crisis, 118 00:05:20,356 --> 00:05:23,623 a mysterious email showed up in Christina'a inbox 119 00:05:23,623 --> 00:05:26,678 with the subject line: "Obama Transition." 120 00:05:26,678 --> 00:05:28,732 - [ ] And I will take a little bit of credit here 121 00:05:28,732 --> 00:05:31,404 because Christina was just about to delete it, 122 00:05:31,404 --> 00:05:34,140 and I said, "Why don't you at least google the person." 123 00:05:34,140 --> 00:05:35,883 And she discovered that he was the head 124 00:05:35,883 --> 00:05:38,553 of the economic side of the transition. 125 00:05:38,553 --> 00:05:41,408 The Obama administration wanted to meet with Christina 126 00:05:41,408 --> 00:05:42,909 as soon as possible. 127 00:05:42,909 --> 00:05:45,599 - [ ] On the next day, she was on a plane to Chicago 128 00:05:45,599 --> 00:05:47,468 to meet with the President-elect. 129 00:05:47,468 --> 00:05:48,953 - [Narrator] Christina was asked to chair 130 00:05:48,953 --> 00:05:51,325 the Council of Economic Advisers. 131 00:05:51,325 --> 00:05:52,625 The council was set up 132 00:05:52,625 --> 00:05:55,698 to bring academics into the policy-making process 133 00:05:55,698 --> 00:05:58,067 and make recommendations to the President. 134 00:05:58,067 --> 00:06:00,288 - [Christina] I was talking to Rahm Emanuel, and I said, 135 00:06:00,288 --> 00:06:02,677 "So tell me again, how did I get this job?" 136 00:06:02,677 --> 00:06:05,548 And he said, "You were an expert on the Great Depression, 137 00:06:05,548 --> 00:06:08,518 and we thought we might need one." 138 00:06:08,518 --> 00:06:13,210 - [Janet] She's tried to understand what caused the Depression, 139 00:06:13,210 --> 00:06:14,862 what ended the Depression, 140 00:06:14,862 --> 00:06:18,735 what role monitoring and fiscal policy could play 141 00:06:18,735 --> 00:06:21,741 and no one could be better positioned to know 142 00:06:21,741 --> 00:06:24,245 what the right strategy would be. 143 00:06:24,245 --> 00:06:26,931 - [Christina] We were talking to bankers, 144 00:06:26,931 --> 00:06:28,835 we were talking to employers, 145 00:06:28,835 --> 00:06:31,406 we were talking to the people 146 00:06:31,406 --> 00:06:33,809 that where collecting the statistics. 147 00:06:33,809 --> 00:06:36,181 - [Narrator] Christina's research revealed that the economy 148 00:06:36,181 --> 00:06:38,434 was even more of a perilous position 149 00:06:38,434 --> 00:06:40,336 than previously thgoutt. 150 00:06:40,336 --> 00:06:44,244 She got on the phone with Obama to give him the bad news. 151 00:06:44,244 --> 00:06:46,563 - [Christina] Saying, you going, this is terrible. 152 00:06:46,563 --> 00:06:47,883 We've lost three-quarters of a million jobs. 153 00:06:47,883 --> 00:06:50,804 I'm just going on like this, and finally he stops me 154 00:06:50,804 --> 00:06:57,065 and he said, "Christy, it's not your fault... yet." 155 00:06:57,065 --> 00:07:00,102 - [ ] The challenge that Christy and her team members 156 00:07:00,102 --> 00:07:02,606 on the Economic Advisory Team confronted 157 00:07:02,606 --> 00:07:06,496 was how large a stimulus the US economy needed 158 00:07:06,496 --> 00:07:08,717 in order to right the ship 159 00:07:08,717 --> 00:07:10,102 and trying to calibrate that 160 00:07:10,102 --> 00:07:12,406 depended critically on the estimates 161 00:07:12,406 --> 00:07:14,843 of how much bang for the buck you get 162 00:07:14,843 --> 00:07:18,182 when you use fiscal policy as a tool 163 00:07:18,182 --> 00:07:20,286 and try to then reinflate the economy. 164 00:07:20,286 --> 00:07:22,753 - [Narrator] Christina helped design a fiscal package 165 00:07:22,753 --> 00:07:26,410 that she thought was necessary to get the economy moving. 166 00:07:26,410 --> 00:07:28,063 - [Gabriel] The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act 167 00:07:28,063 --> 00:07:29,215 is a piece of legislation 168 00:07:29,215 --> 00:07:32,219 that was signed in February of 2009, 169 00:07:32,219 --> 00:07:35,626 and it was a combination of direct government spending, 170 00:07:35,626 --> 00:07:37,244 so think of repairing highways, 171 00:07:37,244 --> 00:07:39,899 transfers to State governments, 172 00:07:39,899 --> 00:07:43,621 transfers to individuals and tax cuts. 173 00:07:43,621 --> 00:07:46,526 And the rationale for it was for the time 174 00:07:46,526 --> 00:07:48,395 when households were spending less 175 00:07:48,395 --> 00:07:50,149 and businesses were spending less -- 176 00:07:50,149 --> 00:07:51,451 that's a time when it's appropriate 177 00:07:51,451 --> 00:07:53,120 for government to spend a little more 178 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:54,989 to fill in that gap. 179 00:07:54,989 --> 00:07:58,728 The recessions leave long scars, 180 00:07:58,728 --> 00:08:00,899 and people who lose their jobs during recessions 181 00:08:00,899 --> 00:08:02,611 and they're unemployed for a while -- 182 00:08:02,611 --> 00:08:05,265 even ten years later, often are earning less 183 00:08:05,265 --> 00:08:08,018 than they were before the recession occurred. 184 00:08:08,018 --> 00:08:09,873 So by making the case, 185 00:08:09,873 --> 00:08:13,478 both in academic research and then as a policymaker, 186 00:08:13,478 --> 00:08:16,651 the government could do more to mitigate recessions 187 00:08:16,651 --> 00:08:20,573 that really has an impact probably hundreds of thousands of people 188 00:08:20,573 --> 00:08:23,167 kept their jobs during the Great Recession 189 00:08:23,167 --> 00:08:28,042 because she had become an expert on the behavior of the economy, 190 00:08:28,042 --> 00:08:30,196 on the effects of fiscal policy. 191 00:08:30,196 --> 00:08:36,089 - [ ] And she was really passionate about the role that she played 192 00:08:36,089 --> 00:08:40,412 after the financial crisis and the Great Recession 193 00:08:40,412 --> 00:08:44,067 and for passionately, for policies 194 00:08:44,067 --> 00:08:47,390 that would address the 9 million people 195 00:08:47,390 --> 00:08:48,526 who lost their jobs 196 00:08:48,526 --> 00:08:50,746 and get the economy moving. 197 00:08:50,746 --> 00:08:53,449 - [ ] Christy was a very fortunate person to have in that role 198 00:08:53,449 --> 00:08:56,071 because much of her work, academically, 199 00:08:56,071 --> 00:08:58,140 over the 25 years before that, 200 00:08:58,140 --> 00:09:00,413 had been focused on trying to understand 201 00:09:00,413 --> 00:09:02,348 the nature of the linkages 202 00:09:02,348 --> 00:09:04,936 between fiscal policy, monetary policy 203 00:09:04,936 --> 00:09:06,607 and economic outcomes. 204 00:09:06,607 --> 00:09:07,607 - [ ] That's an unusual case. 205 00:09:07,607 --> 00:09:10,027 We can really see a pretty direct connection 206 00:09:10,027 --> 00:09:16,489 between ivory tower research and real lives on a big scale. 207 00:09:16,489 --> 00:09:17,707 - [Narrator] Romer's work at Berkeley 208 00:09:17,707 --> 00:09:20,645 continues to ask and answer these important questions 209 00:09:20,645 --> 00:09:22,314 about the macroeconomy. 210 00:09:22,314 --> 00:09:25,385 - [Christina] If you think about what matters to a typical person: 211 00:09:25,385 --> 00:09:29,392 Do they have a job? Can they support their family? 212 00:09:29,392 --> 00:09:32,647 Can they give their children a better life 213 00:09:32,647 --> 00:09:33,833 than they themselves had? 214 00:09:33,833 --> 00:09:36,304 You realize that economic issues, 215 00:09:36,304 --> 00:09:38,624 how well the economy operates, 216 00:09:38,624 --> 00:09:42,130 is probably one of the things that affects people's lives 217 00:09:42,130 --> 00:09:44,283 more than anything else. 218 00:09:46,803 --> 00:09:47,638 ♪ [music] ♪ 219 00:09:47,638 --> 00:09:49,775 - [Narrator] Want to better understand Romer and business cycles? 220 00:09:49,775 --> 00:09:52,930 Click here for related materials and practice questions, 221 00:09:52,930 --> 00:09:55,334 or check out other videos and how economists 222 00:09:55,334 --> 00:09:57,500 are tackling all sorts of issues, 223 00:09:57,500 --> 00:10:00,254 ranging from weighty topics, such as the macroeconomy, 224 00:10:00,254 --> 00:10:02,872 to everyday items, like Wikipedia and wine... 225 00:10:03,032 --> 00:10:05,016 yes, even wine.