0:00:00.000,0:00:05.803 0:00:05.803,0:00:07.220 MORGAN CHAMBERS:[br]There are a range 0:00:07.220,0:00:10.430 of issues considered[br]important for moving abroad 0:00:10.430,0:00:11.930 for expatriates. 0:00:11.930,0:00:14.690 Noeleen, you make a[br]distinction between two types 0:00:14.690,0:00:15.420 of expatriates. 0:00:15.420,0:00:17.100 Can you just talk a little[br]bit about what they are? 0:00:17.100,0:00:18.017 NOELEEN DOHERTY: Sure. 0:00:18.017,0:00:20.220 Well, there are many[br]mobile populations now 0:00:20.220,0:00:23.270 we're beginning to realize[br]within the research literature 0:00:23.270,0:00:24.440 indeed. 0:00:24.440,0:00:28.100 Two of the key groups are[br]corporate-assigned or assigned 0:00:28.100,0:00:30.470 expatriates, company-backed. 0:00:30.470,0:00:33.440 And another key group are the[br]self-initiated expatriates. 0:00:33.440,0:00:35.900 And self-initiated[br]being those people who 0:00:35.900,0:00:40.820 take the decision themselves[br]and fund their own stay abroad. 0:00:40.820,0:00:42.768 MORGAN CHAMBERS: Having[br]identified the two 0:00:42.768,0:00:44.810 different groups, they do[br]have a number of things 0:00:44.810,0:00:45.805 in common, however. 0:00:45.805,0:00:47.930 Would you like to just talk[br]a little bit about what 0:00:47.930,0:00:48.930 those commonalities are? 0:00:48.930,0:00:49.847 NOELEEN DOHERTY: Sure. 0:00:49.847,0:00:52.340 The self-initiated expatriate[br]and the corporate expatriate 0:00:52.340,0:00:54.980 do have some baseline[br]commonalities. 0:00:54.980,0:00:58.550 Self-initiated corporates,[br]people, obviously 0:00:58.550,0:01:00.530 have a motivation and[br]a drive to move abroad 0:01:00.530,0:01:02.330 for the foreign experience. 0:01:02.330,0:01:04.610 They often have a great[br]desire for adventure. 0:01:04.610,0:01:06.930 They like to travel, like[br]to see different places, 0:01:06.930,0:01:10.560 and have a real drive to[br]go abroad and move away 0:01:10.560,0:01:14.465 from their home location and[br]go and stay in a host location. 0:01:14.465,0:01:15.840 MORGAN CHAMBERS:[br]So your findings 0:01:15.840,0:01:23.010 have identified eight factors in[br]the model that you've described, 0:01:23.010,0:01:26.920 and there are some[br]subtle differences there. 0:01:26.920,0:01:28.853 Can you talk to what[br]some of those differences 0:01:28.853,0:01:30.020 might be for the two groups? 0:01:30.020,0:01:30.853 NOELEEN DOHERTY: OK. 0:01:30.853,0:01:35.670 The range of factors that drives[br]the motivation to move abroad 0:01:35.670,0:01:37.480 cover a large number of areas. 0:01:37.480,0:01:40.620 And that includes[br]the location, what 0:01:40.620,0:01:43.230 location that the person[br]is going to go to. 0:01:43.230,0:01:45.390 It includes career issues. 0:01:45.390,0:01:48.480 It includes family[br]considerations. 0:01:48.480,0:01:50.470 And when we looked at[br]the two different groups, 0:01:50.470,0:01:53.740 we found that for[br]self-initiated expatriates, 0:01:53.740,0:01:57.180 they were significantly[br]more motivated, more 0:01:57.180,0:02:01.590 influenced by the motivation[br]around location and host 0:02:01.590,0:02:03.450 reputation. 0:02:03.450,0:02:06.510 Interestingly, that would[br]probably be a factor of the fact 0:02:06.510,0:02:09.120 that they choose the[br]destination themselves, 0:02:09.120,0:02:11.230 whereas company-backed[br]expatriates are 0:02:11.230,0:02:13.130 sent to a particular location. 0:02:13.130,0:02:15.640 On the other hand,[br]company-backed expatriates 0:02:15.640,0:02:18.710 were more driven by[br]the career factors, 0:02:18.710,0:02:21.250 what was in it in terms of[br]career benefit and career 0:02:21.250,0:02:22.160 development. 0:02:22.160,0:02:26.235 So they were distinguished quite[br]clearly on those three assets. 0:02:26.235,0:02:27.860 MORGAN CHAMBERS: So[br]the career factors, 0:02:27.860,0:02:29.818 do you want to just[br]elaborate a little bit more 0:02:29.818,0:02:31.030 on what they are? 0:02:31.030,0:02:33.740 NOELEEN DOHERTY: Obviously, for[br]a corporate-backed expatriate, 0:02:33.740,0:02:36.460 career drivers are one[br]of the key major issues 0:02:36.460,0:02:38.650 that they take[br]into consideration. 0:02:38.650,0:02:42.160 Companies actually position[br]an international assignment 0:02:42.160,0:02:43.863 as a career benefit. 0:02:43.863,0:02:45.280 Now, there's a[br]whole area of doubt 0:02:45.280,0:02:46.863 around whether or[br]not that actually is 0:02:46.863,0:02:48.530 realized when they come back. 0:02:48.530,0:02:50.470 But certainly, as[br]one of the come-ons 0:02:50.470,0:02:52.370 to take up an[br]international assignment, 0:02:52.370,0:02:56.750 companies usually position[br]it of a career benefit. 0:02:56.750,0:03:00.130 Self-initiated[br]expatriates tend to 0:03:00.130,0:03:04.270 or seem to at least consider a[br]career as part of a much more 0:03:04.270,0:03:07.630 holistic life[br]development process 0:03:07.630,0:03:09.440 through the[br]international assignment. 0:03:09.440,0:03:13.000 So career drivers are not[br]the major or primary drivers 0:03:13.000,0:03:15.073 for them, rather they're[br]a secondary driver. 0:03:15.073,0:03:16.490 MORGAN CHAMBERS:[br]So there could be 0:03:16.490,0:03:20.030 indeed some important[br]implications for these two 0:03:20.030,0:03:23.160 distinctions and the other[br]factors that are involved. 0:03:23.160,0:03:25.410 What would be some of the[br]implications to think about, 0:03:25.410,0:03:27.035 or what were some of[br]the questions that 0:03:27.035,0:03:29.370 were raised for you as a[br]result of the implications? 0:03:29.370,0:03:29.900 NOELEEN DOHERTY: Yes,[br]I think there are 0:03:29.900,0:03:31.140 some very clear implications. 0:03:31.140,0:03:32.723 If we look at it[br]from the first point, 0:03:32.723,0:03:34.910 from an organizational[br]perspective, 0:03:34.910,0:03:36.560 there have been[br]some doubt raised 0:03:36.560,0:03:39.260 about the utility of a[br]self-initiated expatriates 0:03:39.260,0:03:42.020 to a corporation,[br]particularly around the nature 0:03:42.020,0:03:43.380 of their risky behavior. 0:03:43.380,0:03:45.270 They're very driven[br]to be mobile. 0:03:45.270,0:03:47.900 They're very self-assertive. 0:03:47.900,0:03:51.210 And so therefore, they get[br]up and go when they need to 0:03:51.210,0:03:52.710 or when they feel[br]like they want to. 0:03:52.710,0:03:54.293 And obviously, many[br]companies wouldn't 0:03:54.293,0:03:58.580 want to have that level[br]of self-driven behavior. 0:03:58.580,0:04:01.130 And therefore, they can be[br]perceived by organizations 0:04:01.130,0:04:03.980 to be a little bit[br]risky, possibly, 0:04:03.980,0:04:06.680 not falling within[br]their particular HR 0:04:06.680,0:04:08.940 strategy or policy. 0:04:08.940,0:04:11.630 Organizations don't tend to have[br]particular strategies already 0:04:11.630,0:04:15.470 developed to manage the[br]self-initiated populations. 0:04:15.470,0:04:18.839 And so they could be[br]perceived as a group 0:04:18.839,0:04:23.580 that organizations don't take[br]as a part of their core employee 0:04:23.580,0:04:24.720 grouping. 0:04:24.720,0:04:28.230 And I think from an individual[br]point of view, the issue around 0:04:28.230,0:04:31.140 what benefit they might accrue[br]from being abroad, certainly, 0:04:31.140,0:04:32.580 there's a literature[br]that suggests 0:04:32.580,0:04:35.220 that corporate expatriates[br]sometimes don't always 0:04:35.220,0:04:37.590 accrue the benefit[br]when they come home. 0:04:37.590,0:04:41.280 And it's also been shown by[br]very few studies at the moment 0:04:41.280,0:04:43.860 that self-initiated[br]expatriates might also suffer 0:04:43.860,0:04:46.155 from that when they repatriate. 0:04:46.155,0:04:48.120 The career capital,[br]the skills, knowledge, 0:04:48.120,0:04:50.790 and abilities that they're able[br]to develop while abroad might 0:04:50.790,0:04:53.430 not always be considered[br]positively by companies when 0:04:53.430,0:04:54.810 they come back again. 0:04:54.810,0:04:56.850 MORGAN CHAMBERS: So[br]you've identified 0:04:56.850,0:04:59.837 a number of implications there. 0:04:59.837,0:05:01.920 There's still more work[br]to be done, more questions 0:05:01.920,0:05:03.010 to be answered. 0:05:03.010,0:05:04.980 NOELEEN DOHERTY:[br]Certainly, there's 0:05:04.980,0:05:08.440 not a very large research base[br]on self-initiated expatriation. 0:05:08.440,0:05:10.890 It is growing, but[br]there are many questions 0:05:10.890,0:05:13.480 still around from a[br]corporate point of view. 0:05:13.480,0:05:16.590 What sort of asset could[br]they be to the company? 0:05:16.590,0:05:18.450 What sort of[br]motivations and drivers 0:05:18.450,0:05:20.700 could the organization[br]plan more carefully 0:05:20.700,0:05:24.010 for with respect to hiring[br]self-initiated expatriates? 0:05:24.010,0:05:26.290 And also, how do[br]these people integrate 0:05:26.290,0:05:28.210 with the corporate[br]employees that they 0:05:28.210,0:05:30.820 are existing employees. 0:05:30.820,0:05:32.830 From an individual[br]point of view, 0:05:32.830,0:05:36.012 we still know very little[br]about what drives people. 0:05:36.012,0:05:38.470 We still don't know what the[br]differences are between people 0:05:38.470,0:05:42.610 moving from developed to[br]developing, or developing 0:05:42.610,0:05:46.060 to developing countries from a[br]self-initiated point of view. 0:05:46.060,0:05:47.750 And also from an[br]individual level, 0:05:47.750,0:05:49.700 what sort of career[br]capital they accrue, 0:05:49.700,0:05:51.710 what sort of skills,[br]knowledge, and abilities 0:05:51.710,0:05:53.770 they are able to[br]gather and develop 0:05:53.770,0:05:56.090 while they are having[br]a foreign experience. 0:05:56.090,0:05:58.692 And how they can then use those[br]in a career sense as well. 0:05:58.692,0:06:00.400 MORGAN CHAMBERS: So[br]you started to answer 0:06:00.400,0:06:02.800 some of these questions[br]for human resources 0:06:02.800,0:06:06.580 professionals and organizations,[br]but clearly still more issues 0:06:06.580,0:06:07.335 are raised. 0:06:07.335,0:06:08.960 NOELEEN DOHERTY: Yes,[br]many more issues, 0:06:08.960,0:06:11.320 particularly from a[br]corporate point of view 0:06:11.320,0:06:13.550 and also from an[br]individual point of view. 0:06:13.550,0:06:15.050 MORGAN CHAMBERS:[br]Thank you, Noeleen. 0:06:15.050,0:06:16.380 NOELEEN DOHERTY: Thank you. 0:06:16.380,0:06:27.000