1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,803 2 00:00:05,803 --> 00:00:07,220 MORGAN CHAMBERS: There are a range 3 00:00:07,220 --> 00:00:10,430 of issues considered important for moving abroad 4 00:00:10,430 --> 00:00:11,930 for expatriates. 5 00:00:11,930 --> 00:00:14,690 Noeleen, you make a distinction between two types 6 00:00:14,690 --> 00:00:15,420 of expatriates. 7 00:00:15,420 --> 00:00:17,100 Can you just talk a little bit about what they are? 8 00:00:17,100 --> 00:00:18,017 NOELEEN DOHERTY: Sure. 9 00:00:18,017 --> 00:00:20,220 Well, there are many mobile populations now 10 00:00:20,220 --> 00:00:23,270 we're beginning to realize within the research literature 11 00:00:23,270 --> 00:00:24,440 indeed. 12 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:28,100 Two of the key groups are corporate-assigned or assigned 13 00:00:28,100 --> 00:00:30,470 expatriates, company-backed. 14 00:00:30,470 --> 00:00:33,440 And another key group are the self-initiated expatriates. 15 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:35,900 And self-initiated being those people who 16 00:00:35,900 --> 00:00:40,820 take the decision themselves and fund their own stay abroad. 17 00:00:40,820 --> 00:00:42,768 MORGAN CHAMBERS: Having identified the two 18 00:00:42,768 --> 00:00:44,810 different groups, they do have a number of things 19 00:00:44,810 --> 00:00:45,805 in common, however. 20 00:00:45,805 --> 00:00:47,930 Would you like to just talk a little bit about what 21 00:00:47,930 --> 00:00:48,930 those commonalities are? 22 00:00:48,930 --> 00:00:49,847 NOELEEN DOHERTY: Sure. 23 00:00:49,847 --> 00:00:52,340 The self-initiated expatriate and the corporate expatriate 24 00:00:52,340 --> 00:00:54,980 do have some baseline commonalities. 25 00:00:54,980 --> 00:00:58,550 Self-initiated corporates, people, obviously 26 00:00:58,550 --> 00:01:00,530 have a motivation and a drive to move abroad 27 00:01:00,530 --> 00:01:02,330 for the foreign experience. 28 00:01:02,330 --> 00:01:04,610 They often have a great desire for adventure. 29 00:01:04,610 --> 00:01:06,930 They like to travel, like to see different places, 30 00:01:06,930 --> 00:01:10,560 and have a real drive to go abroad and move away 31 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:14,465 from their home location and go and stay in a host location. 32 00:01:14,465 --> 00:01:15,840 MORGAN CHAMBERS: So your findings 33 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:23,010 have identified eight factors in the model that you've described, 34 00:01:23,010 --> 00:01:26,920 and there are some subtle differences there. 35 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:28,853 Can you talk to what some of those differences 36 00:01:28,853 --> 00:01:30,020 might be for the two groups? 37 00:01:30,020 --> 00:01:30,853 NOELEEN DOHERTY: OK. 38 00:01:30,853 --> 00:01:35,670 The range of factors that drives the motivation to move abroad 39 00:01:35,670 --> 00:01:37,480 cover a large number of areas. 40 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,620 And that includes the location, what 41 00:01:40,620 --> 00:01:43,230 location that the person is going to go to. 42 00:01:43,230 --> 00:01:45,390 It includes career issues. 43 00:01:45,390 --> 00:01:48,480 It includes family considerations. 44 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:50,470 And when we looked at the two different groups, 45 00:01:50,470 --> 00:01:53,740 we found that for self-initiated expatriates, 46 00:01:53,740 --> 00:01:57,180 they were significantly more motivated, more 47 00:01:57,180 --> 00:02:01,590 influenced by the motivation around location and host 48 00:02:01,590 --> 00:02:03,450 reputation. 49 00:02:03,450 --> 00:02:06,510 Interestingly, that would probably be a factor of the fact 50 00:02:06,510 --> 00:02:09,120 that they choose the destination themselves, 51 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,230 whereas company-backed expatriates are 52 00:02:11,230 --> 00:02:13,130 sent to a particular location. 53 00:02:13,130 --> 00:02:15,640 On the other hand, company-backed expatriates 54 00:02:15,640 --> 00:02:18,710 were more driven by the career factors, 55 00:02:18,710 --> 00:02:21,250 what was in it in terms of career benefit and career 56 00:02:21,250 --> 00:02:22,160 development. 57 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:26,235 So they were distinguished quite clearly on those three assets. 58 00:02:26,235 --> 00:02:27,860 MORGAN CHAMBERS: So the career factors, 59 00:02:27,860 --> 00:02:29,818 do you want to just elaborate a little bit more 60 00:02:29,818 --> 00:02:31,030 on what they are? 61 00:02:31,030 --> 00:02:33,740 NOELEEN DOHERTY: Obviously, for a corporate-backed expatriate, 62 00:02:33,740 --> 00:02:36,460 career drivers are one of the key major issues 63 00:02:36,460 --> 00:02:38,650 that they take into consideration. 64 00:02:38,650 --> 00:02:42,160 Companies actually position an international assignment 65 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:43,863 as a career benefit. 66 00:02:43,863 --> 00:02:45,280 Now, there's a whole area of doubt 67 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:46,863 around whether or not that actually is 68 00:02:46,863 --> 00:02:48,530 realized when they come back. 69 00:02:48,530 --> 00:02:50,470 But certainly, as one of the come-ons 70 00:02:50,470 --> 00:02:52,370 to take up an international assignment, 71 00:02:52,370 --> 00:02:56,750 companies usually position it of a career benefit. 72 00:02:56,750 --> 00:03:00,130 Self-initiated expatriates tend to 73 00:03:00,130 --> 00:03:04,270 or seem to at least consider a career as part of a much more 74 00:03:04,270 --> 00:03:07,630 holistic life development process 75 00:03:07,630 --> 00:03:09,440 through the international assignment. 76 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:13,000 So career drivers are not the major or primary drivers 77 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,073 for them, rather they're a secondary driver. 78 00:03:15,073 --> 00:03:16,490 MORGAN CHAMBERS: So there could be 79 00:03:16,490 --> 00:03:20,030 indeed some important implications for these two 80 00:03:20,030 --> 00:03:23,160 distinctions and the other factors that are involved. 81 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,410 What would be some of the implications to think about, 82 00:03:25,410 --> 00:03:27,035 or what were some of the questions that 83 00:03:27,035 --> 00:03:29,370 were raised for you as a result of the implications? 84 00:03:29,370 --> 00:03:29,900 NOELEEN DOHERTY: Yes, I think there are 85 00:03:29,900 --> 00:03:31,140 some very clear implications. 86 00:03:31,140 --> 00:03:32,723 If we look at it from the first point, 87 00:03:32,723 --> 00:03:34,910 from an organizational perspective, 88 00:03:34,910 --> 00:03:36,560 there have been some doubt raised 89 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,260 about the utility of a self-initiated expatriates 90 00:03:39,260 --> 00:03:42,020 to a corporation, particularly around the nature 91 00:03:42,020 --> 00:03:43,380 of their risky behavior. 92 00:03:43,380 --> 00:03:45,270 They're very driven to be mobile. 93 00:03:45,270 --> 00:03:47,900 They're very self-assertive. 94 00:03:47,900 --> 00:03:51,210 And so therefore, they get up and go when they need to 95 00:03:51,210 --> 00:03:52,710 or when they feel like they want to. 96 00:03:52,710 --> 00:03:54,293 And obviously, many companies wouldn't 97 00:03:54,293 --> 00:03:58,580 want to have that level of self-driven behavior. 98 00:03:58,580 --> 00:04:01,130 And therefore, they can be perceived by organizations 99 00:04:01,130 --> 00:04:03,980 to be a little bit risky, possibly, 100 00:04:03,980 --> 00:04:06,680 not falling within their particular HR 101 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:08,940 strategy or policy. 102 00:04:08,940 --> 00:04:11,630 Organizations don't tend to have particular strategies already 103 00:04:11,630 --> 00:04:15,470 developed to manage the self-initiated populations. 104 00:04:15,470 --> 00:04:18,839 And so they could be perceived as a group 105 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:23,580 that organizations don't take as a part of their core employee 106 00:04:23,580 --> 00:04:24,720 grouping. 107 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,230 And I think from an individual point of view, the issue around 108 00:04:28,230 --> 00:04:31,140 what benefit they might accrue from being abroad, certainly, 109 00:04:31,140 --> 00:04:32,580 there's a literature that suggests 110 00:04:32,580 --> 00:04:35,220 that corporate expatriates sometimes don't always 111 00:04:35,220 --> 00:04:37,590 accrue the benefit when they come home. 112 00:04:37,590 --> 00:04:41,280 And it's also been shown by very few studies at the moment 113 00:04:41,280 --> 00:04:43,860 that self-initiated expatriates might also suffer 114 00:04:43,860 --> 00:04:46,155 from that when they repatriate. 115 00:04:46,155 --> 00:04:48,120 The career capital, the skills, knowledge, 116 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,790 and abilities that they're able to develop while abroad might 117 00:04:50,790 --> 00:04:53,430 not always be considered positively by companies when 118 00:04:53,430 --> 00:04:54,810 they come back again. 119 00:04:54,810 --> 00:04:56,850 MORGAN CHAMBERS: So you've identified 120 00:04:56,850 --> 00:04:59,837 a number of implications there. 121 00:04:59,837 --> 00:05:01,920 There's still more work to be done, more questions 122 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:03,010 to be answered. 123 00:05:03,010 --> 00:05:04,980 NOELEEN DOHERTY: Certainly, there's 124 00:05:04,980 --> 00:05:08,440 not a very large research base on self-initiated expatriation. 125 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,890 It is growing, but there are many questions 126 00:05:10,890 --> 00:05:13,480 still around from a corporate point of view. 127 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,590 What sort of asset could they be to the company? 128 00:05:16,590 --> 00:05:18,450 What sort of motivations and drivers 129 00:05:18,450 --> 00:05:20,700 could the organization plan more carefully 130 00:05:20,700 --> 00:05:24,010 for with respect to hiring self-initiated expatriates? 131 00:05:24,010 --> 00:05:26,290 And also, how do these people integrate 132 00:05:26,290 --> 00:05:28,210 with the corporate employees that they 133 00:05:28,210 --> 00:05:30,820 are existing employees. 134 00:05:30,820 --> 00:05:32,830 From an individual point of view, 135 00:05:32,830 --> 00:05:36,012 we still know very little about what drives people. 136 00:05:36,012 --> 00:05:38,470 We still don't know what the differences are between people 137 00:05:38,470 --> 00:05:42,610 moving from developed to developing, or developing 138 00:05:42,610 --> 00:05:46,060 to developing countries from a self-initiated point of view. 139 00:05:46,060 --> 00:05:47,750 And also from an individual level, 140 00:05:47,750 --> 00:05:49,700 what sort of career capital they accrue, 141 00:05:49,700 --> 00:05:51,710 what sort of skills, knowledge, and abilities 142 00:05:51,710 --> 00:05:53,770 they are able to gather and develop 143 00:05:53,770 --> 00:05:56,090 while they are having a foreign experience. 144 00:05:56,090 --> 00:05:58,692 And how they can then use those in a career sense as well. 145 00:05:58,692 --> 00:06:00,400 MORGAN CHAMBERS: So you started to answer 146 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,800 some of these questions for human resources 147 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:06,580 professionals and organizations, but clearly still more issues 148 00:06:06,580 --> 00:06:07,335 are raised. 149 00:06:07,335 --> 00:06:08,960 NOELEEN DOHERTY: Yes, many more issues, 150 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,320 particularly from a corporate point of view 151 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,550 and also from an individual point of view. 152 00:06:13,550 --> 00:06:15,050 MORGAN CHAMBERS: Thank you, Noeleen. 153 00:06:15,050 --> 00:06:16,380 NOELEEN DOHERTY: Thank you. 154 00:06:16,380 --> 00:06:27,000