WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.803 00:00:05.803 --> 00:00:07.220 MORGAN CHAMBERS: There are a range 00:00:07.220 --> 00:00:10.430 of issues considered important for moving abroad 00:00:10.430 --> 00:00:11.930 for expatriates. 00:00:11.930 --> 00:00:14.690 Noeleen, you make a distinction between two types 00:00:14.690 --> 00:00:15.420 of expatriates. 00:00:15.420 --> 00:00:17.100 Can you just talk a little bit about what they are? 00:00:17.100 --> 00:00:18.017 NOELEEN DOHERTY: Sure. 00:00:18.017 --> 00:00:20.220 Well, there are many mobile populations now 00:00:20.220 --> 00:00:23.270 we're beginning to realize within the research literature 00:00:23.270 --> 00:00:24.440 indeed. 00:00:24.440 --> 00:00:28.100 Two of the key groups are corporate-assigned or assigned 00:00:28.100 --> 00:00:30.470 expatriates, company-backed. 00:00:30.470 --> 00:00:33.440 And another key group are the self-initiated expatriates. 00:00:33.440 --> 00:00:35.900 And self-initiated being those people who 00:00:35.900 --> 00:00:40.820 take the decision themselves and fund their own stay abroad. 00:00:40.820 --> 00:00:42.768 MORGAN CHAMBERS: Having identified the two 00:00:42.768 --> 00:00:44.810 different groups, they do have a number of things 00:00:44.810 --> 00:00:45.805 in common, however. 00:00:45.805 --> 00:00:47.930 Would you like to just talk a little bit about what 00:00:47.930 --> 00:00:48.930 those commonalities are? 00:00:48.930 --> 00:00:49.847 NOELEEN DOHERTY: Sure. 00:00:49.847 --> 00:00:52.340 The self-initiated expatriate and the corporate expatriate 00:00:52.340 --> 00:00:54.980 do have some baseline commonalities. 00:00:54.980 --> 00:00:58.550 Self-initiated corporates, people, obviously 00:00:58.550 --> 00:01:00.530 have a motivation and a drive to move abroad 00:01:00.530 --> 00:01:02.330 for the foreign experience. 00:01:02.330 --> 00:01:04.610 They often have a great desire for adventure. 00:01:04.610 --> 00:01:06.930 They like to travel, like to see different places, 00:01:06.930 --> 00:01:10.560 and have a real drive to go abroad and move away 00:01:10.560 --> 00:01:14.465 from their home location and go and stay in a host location. 00:01:14.465 --> 00:01:15.840 MORGAN CHAMBERS: So your findings 00:01:15.840 --> 00:01:23.010 have identified eight factors in the model that you've described, 00:01:23.010 --> 00:01:26.920 and there are some subtle differences there. 00:01:26.920 --> 00:01:28.853 Can you talk to what some of those differences 00:01:28.853 --> 00:01:30.020 might be for the two groups? 00:01:30.020 --> 00:01:30.853 NOELEEN DOHERTY: OK. 00:01:30.853 --> 00:01:35.670 The range of factors that drives the motivation to move abroad 00:01:35.670 --> 00:01:37.480 cover a large number of areas. 00:01:37.480 --> 00:01:40.620 And that includes the location, what 00:01:40.620 --> 00:01:43.230 location that the person is going to go to. 00:01:43.230 --> 00:01:45.390 It includes career issues. 00:01:45.390 --> 00:01:48.480 It includes family considerations. 00:01:48.480 --> 00:01:50.470 And when we looked at the two different groups, 00:01:50.470 --> 00:01:53.740 we found that for self-initiated expatriates, 00:01:53.740 --> 00:01:57.180 they were significantly more motivated, more 00:01:57.180 --> 00:02:01.590 influenced by the motivation around location and host 00:02:01.590 --> 00:02:03.450 reputation. 00:02:03.450 --> 00:02:06.510 Interestingly, that would probably be a factor of the fact 00:02:06.510 --> 00:02:09.120 that they choose the destination themselves, 00:02:09.120 --> 00:02:11.230 whereas company-backed expatriates are 00:02:11.230 --> 00:02:13.130 sent to a particular location. 00:02:13.130 --> 00:02:15.640 On the other hand, company-backed expatriates 00:02:15.640 --> 00:02:18.710 were more driven by the career factors, 00:02:18.710 --> 00:02:21.250 what was in it in terms of career benefit and career 00:02:21.250 --> 00:02:22.160 development. 00:02:22.160 --> 00:02:26.235 So they were distinguished quite clearly on those three assets. 00:02:26.235 --> 00:02:27.860 MORGAN CHAMBERS: So the career factors, 00:02:27.860 --> 00:02:29.818 do you want to just elaborate a little bit more 00:02:29.818 --> 00:02:31.030 on what they are? 00:02:31.030 --> 00:02:33.740 NOELEEN DOHERTY: Obviously, for a corporate-backed expatriate, 00:02:33.740 --> 00:02:36.460 career drivers are one of the key major issues 00:02:36.460 --> 00:02:38.650 that they take into consideration. 00:02:38.650 --> 00:02:42.160 Companies actually position an international assignment 00:02:42.160 --> 00:02:43.863 as a career benefit. 00:02:43.863 --> 00:02:45.280 Now, there's a whole area of doubt 00:02:45.280 --> 00:02:46.863 around whether or not that actually is 00:02:46.863 --> 00:02:48.530 realized when they come back. 00:02:48.530 --> 00:02:50.470 But certainly, as one of the come-ons 00:02:50.470 --> 00:02:52.370 to take up an international assignment, 00:02:52.370 --> 00:02:56.750 companies usually position it of a career benefit. 00:02:56.750 --> 00:03:00.130 Self-initiated expatriates tend to 00:03:00.130 --> 00:03:04.270 or seem to at least consider a career as part of a much more 00:03:04.270 --> 00:03:07.630 holistic life development process 00:03:07.630 --> 00:03:09.440 through the international assignment. 00:03:09.440 --> 00:03:13.000 So career drivers are not the major or primary drivers 00:03:13.000 --> 00:03:15.073 for them, rather they're a secondary driver. 00:03:15.073 --> 00:03:16.490 MORGAN CHAMBERS: So there could be 00:03:16.490 --> 00:03:20.030 indeed some important implications for these two 00:03:20.030 --> 00:03:23.160 distinctions and the other factors that are involved. 00:03:23.160 --> 00:03:25.410 What would be some of the implications to think about, 00:03:25.410 --> 00:03:27.035 or what were some of the questions that 00:03:27.035 --> 00:03:29.370 were raised for you as a result of the implications? 00:03:29.370 --> 00:03:29.900 NOELEEN DOHERTY: Yes, I think there are 00:03:29.900 --> 00:03:31.140 some very clear implications. 00:03:31.140 --> 00:03:32.723 If we look at it from the first point, 00:03:32.723 --> 00:03:34.910 from an organizational perspective, 00:03:34.910 --> 00:03:36.560 there have been some doubt raised 00:03:36.560 --> 00:03:39.260 about the utility of a self-initiated expatriates 00:03:39.260 --> 00:03:42.020 to a corporation, particularly around the nature 00:03:42.020 --> 00:03:43.380 of their risky behavior. 00:03:43.380 --> 00:03:45.270 They're very driven to be mobile. 00:03:45.270 --> 00:03:47.900 They're very self-assertive. 00:03:47.900 --> 00:03:51.210 And so therefore, they get up and go when they need to 00:03:51.210 --> 00:03:52.710 or when they feel like they want to. 00:03:52.710 --> 00:03:54.293 And obviously, many companies wouldn't 00:03:54.293 --> 00:03:58.580 want to have that level of self-driven behavior. 00:03:58.580 --> 00:04:01.130 And therefore, they can be perceived by organizations 00:04:01.130 --> 00:04:03.980 to be a little bit risky, possibly, 00:04:03.980 --> 00:04:06.680 not falling within their particular HR 00:04:06.680 --> 00:04:08.940 strategy or policy. 00:04:08.940 --> 00:04:11.630 Organizations don't tend to have particular strategies already 00:04:11.630 --> 00:04:15.470 developed to manage the self-initiated populations. 00:04:15.470 --> 00:04:18.839 And so they could be perceived as a group 00:04:18.839 --> 00:04:23.580 that organizations don't take as a part of their core employee 00:04:23.580 --> 00:04:24.720 grouping. 00:04:24.720 --> 00:04:28.230 And I think from an individual point of view, the issue around 00:04:28.230 --> 00:04:31.140 what benefit they might accrue from being abroad, certainly, 00:04:31.140 --> 00:04:32.580 there's a literature that suggests 00:04:32.580 --> 00:04:35.220 that corporate expatriates sometimes don't always 00:04:35.220 --> 00:04:37.590 accrue the benefit when they come home. 00:04:37.590 --> 00:04:41.280 And it's also been shown by very few studies at the moment 00:04:41.280 --> 00:04:43.860 that self-initiated expatriates might also suffer 00:04:43.860 --> 00:04:46.155 from that when they repatriate. 00:04:46.155 --> 00:04:48.120 The career capital, the skills, knowledge, 00:04:48.120 --> 00:04:50.790 and abilities that they're able to develop while abroad might 00:04:50.790 --> 00:04:53.430 not always be considered positively by companies when 00:04:53.430 --> 00:04:54.810 they come back again. 00:04:54.810 --> 00:04:56.850 MORGAN CHAMBERS: So you've identified 00:04:56.850 --> 00:04:59.837 a number of implications there. 00:04:59.837 --> 00:05:01.920 There's still more work to be done, more questions 00:05:01.920 --> 00:05:03.010 to be answered. 00:05:03.010 --> 00:05:04.980 NOELEEN DOHERTY: Certainly, there's 00:05:04.980 --> 00:05:08.440 not a very large research base on self-initiated expatriation. 00:05:08.440 --> 00:05:10.890 It is growing, but there are many questions 00:05:10.890 --> 00:05:13.480 still around from a corporate point of view. 00:05:13.480 --> 00:05:16.590 What sort of asset could they be to the company? 00:05:16.590 --> 00:05:18.450 What sort of motivations and drivers 00:05:18.450 --> 00:05:20.700 could the organization plan more carefully 00:05:20.700 --> 00:05:24.010 for with respect to hiring self-initiated expatriates? 00:05:24.010 --> 00:05:26.290 And also, how do these people integrate 00:05:26.290 --> 00:05:28.210 with the corporate employees that they 00:05:28.210 --> 00:05:30.820 are existing employees. 00:05:30.820 --> 00:05:32.830 From an individual point of view, 00:05:32.830 --> 00:05:36.012 we still know very little about what drives people. 00:05:36.012 --> 00:05:38.470 We still don't know what the differences are between people 00:05:38.470 --> 00:05:42.610 moving from developed to developing, or developing 00:05:42.610 --> 00:05:46.060 to developing countries from a self-initiated point of view. 00:05:46.060 --> 00:05:47.750 And also from an individual level, 00:05:47.750 --> 00:05:49.700 what sort of career capital they accrue, 00:05:49.700 --> 00:05:51.710 what sort of skills, knowledge, and abilities 00:05:51.710 --> 00:05:53.770 they are able to gather and develop 00:05:53.770 --> 00:05:56.090 while they are having a foreign experience. 00:05:56.090 --> 00:05:58.692 And how they can then use those in a career sense as well. 00:05:58.692 --> 00:06:00.400 MORGAN CHAMBERS: So you started to answer 00:06:00.400 --> 00:06:02.800 some of these questions for human resources 00:06:02.800 --> 00:06:06.580 professionals and organizations, but clearly still more issues 00:06:06.580 --> 00:06:07.335 are raised. 00:06:07.335 --> 00:06:08.960 NOELEEN DOHERTY: Yes, many more issues, 00:06:08.960 --> 00:06:11.320 particularly from a corporate point of view 00:06:11.320 --> 00:06:13.550 and also from an individual point of view. 00:06:13.550 --> 00:06:15.050 MORGAN CHAMBERS: Thank you, Noeleen. 00:06:15.050 --> 00:06:16.380 NOELEEN DOHERTY: Thank you. 00:06:16.380 --> 00:06:27.000