WEBVTT 00:00:00.451 --> 00:00:03.451 ♪ (opening music) ♪ 00:00:11.150 --> 00:00:14.084 So Alex, we're economists. Often people ask me, 00:00:14.092 --> 00:00:18.480 well what is it that we know about investment and investment advice anyway? 00:00:18.568 --> 00:00:20.258 Now, we've already talked about equities, 00:00:20.449 --> 00:00:23.219 but as economists do we have anything else to tell people? 00:00:23.655 --> 00:00:25.353 Let's talk a little bit about housing, 00:00:25.599 --> 00:00:28.781 because housing is one of these areas where there's a lot of myths around it. 00:00:28.837 --> 00:00:31.535 People in America, it's part of the American Dream. 00:00:31.734 --> 00:00:35.892 And one thing I think people don't realize is that over the long run, 00:00:36.067 --> 00:00:39.122 house prices are certainly not guaranteed to go up. 00:00:39.360 --> 00:00:42.805 I mean we saw in the financial crisis that house prices came way down. 00:00:43.100 --> 00:00:45.901 But there's still this kind of idea that people have in their heads 00:00:45.902 --> 00:00:48.047 that they're not making any more land, 00:00:48.253 --> 00:00:50.949 so in the long run house prices have to go up. 00:00:51.100 --> 00:00:53.361 And we know from our understanding of assets 00:00:53.385 --> 00:00:57.306 that you should not expect your house to be a great financial investment. 00:00:57.680 --> 00:01:00.060 But isn't there a tax reason to buy a home? 00:01:00.204 --> 00:01:02.275 So if I borrow money for a mortgage, 00:01:02.399 --> 00:01:05.684 and I'm paying income tax and itemizing my deductions, 00:01:05.895 --> 00:01:10.054 I can write off a lot of that mortgage interest and get some of the money back. 00:01:10.108 --> 00:01:10.750 And that means 00:01:10.758 --> 00:01:14.879 it could be cheaper or more advantageous to buy the home because of taxes. 00:01:14.934 --> 00:01:15.807 But don't forget, 00:01:15.831 --> 00:01:20.402 a lot of that tax advantage is going to be captured not by the buyer, 00:01:20.521 --> 00:01:21.481 but by the seller. 00:01:21.775 --> 00:01:25.314 What the tax advantage means is it pushes up the prices of homes. 00:01:25.433 --> 00:01:28.099 It's already built into a higher price, 00:01:28.202 --> 00:01:32.798 so you, as the buyer, don't always get that gain. Often it's the seller. 00:01:32.886 --> 00:01:35.116 Well, but think of this in terms of elasticity. 00:01:35.267 --> 00:01:38.624 Say I live in an area, like many parts of Texas or Florida, 00:01:38.886 --> 00:01:43.044 where I get this tax break that increases the demand for homes, yes. 00:01:43.290 --> 00:01:46.996 But then suppliers build more homes and they drive the price back down again. 00:01:47.297 --> 00:01:49.849 And it seems that in a lot of states actually, 00:01:49.849 --> 00:01:53.369 the buyer should be reaping a lot of that tax break. Yes, No? 00:01:53.370 --> 00:01:56.886 If only there were more places in the United States like that, 00:01:57.040 --> 00:01:58.500 I would tend to agree. 00:01:58.627 --> 00:02:02.230 But one of the big problems we have in the United States today is that 00:02:02.246 --> 00:02:04.690 the demand for housing goes up and you're in some place 00:02:04.691 --> 00:02:07.483 like San Francisco, or New York, or Boston 00:02:07.484 --> 00:02:11.101 whereit's impossible to get permits to build more housing. 00:02:11.284 --> 00:02:12.588 And when the demand goes up, 00:02:12.644 --> 00:02:15.493 all that means is the price of the house goes up. 00:02:15.715 --> 00:02:19.087 So all of those gains, whether it's from the tax system, 00:02:19.111 --> 00:02:23.125 or whether it's from people wanting to move to San Francisco, 00:02:23.159 --> 00:02:25.270 all of those gains go to the land owners. 00:02:25.372 --> 00:02:28.459 And that's actually a big problem we have in the United States today. 00:02:28.633 --> 00:02:31.259 But I do see a stability reason to own a home. 00:02:31.376 --> 00:02:34.384 Say you are 37 years old, you have 2 kids in school, 00:02:34.471 --> 00:02:36.860 you want them to go to a good high school district. 00:02:36.990 --> 00:02:39.140 You don't want to be told, "You're going to have to move." 00:02:39.252 --> 00:02:41.990 You want to arrange your backyard the way you see fit. 00:02:42.101 --> 00:02:44.688 And you don't want to have to renegotiate a rent contract. 00:02:44.950 --> 00:02:48.418 All of those factors militate in favor of buying a home. 00:02:48.664 --> 00:02:50.775 So I think you're right for those people. 00:02:50.958 --> 00:02:54.187 But one thing you've got to keep in mind is that on average, 00:02:54.385 --> 00:02:57.084 houses are not going to be a great financial investment. 00:02:57.496 --> 00:03:00.813 So you have to be exactly one of those people 00:03:00.996 --> 00:03:04.830 who wants extra stability, more stability than the average person. 00:03:04.973 --> 00:03:07.457 That's when you're going to gain from buying a house. 00:03:07.591 --> 00:03:09.170 And, keep in mind, 00:03:09.479 --> 00:03:12.336 that when you buy a house and that heating system collapses 00:03:12.352 --> 00:03:14.535 and you've got to repair that, that's a big problem. 00:03:14.552 --> 00:03:17.551 When you're hit by a lightning strike and you've got to repair the roof, 00:03:17.710 --> 00:03:19.615 that's a big expense as well. 00:03:19.775 --> 00:03:23.693 So when people say, "I'm only worried about the rent going up." 00:03:24.098 --> 00:03:25.193 Well that's fine. 00:03:25.519 --> 00:03:27.669 They may be worried about that, but don't forget, 00:03:27.701 --> 00:03:30.709 you've got to be worried about replacing the roof every 20 years, as well. 00:03:31.123 --> 00:03:34.591 So it's really a marginal question, you're saying. Like at the margin, 00:03:34.845 --> 00:03:37.900 do you need the tax break more than the typical buyer? 00:03:38.036 --> 00:03:38.861 At the margin, 00:03:38.869 --> 00:03:42.519 do you value the good high school district more than the typical buyer? 00:03:42.729 --> 00:03:43.800 And at the margin, 00:03:43.950 --> 00:03:45.783 are you better at fixing the broken roof 00:03:45.800 --> 00:03:48.768 or hiring someone to do it than the average buyer? 00:03:48.792 --> 00:03:50.593 And those things may or may not apply to you, 00:03:50.609 --> 00:03:52.408 but that's the right way to think about it? 00:03:52.710 --> 00:03:55.186 Exactly right, so if you want that tax advantage, 00:03:55.298 --> 00:03:57.829 you've got to be earning more income than average. 00:03:57.900 --> 00:04:00.352 You've got to be itemizing your deductions. 00:04:00.404 --> 00:04:03.571 If you're not one of those people in the upper middle class, 00:04:03.698 --> 00:04:05.507 you're not going to get that tax advantage. 00:04:05.682 --> 00:04:08.324 If you've got one kid, maybe the school is not so important. 00:04:08.380 --> 00:04:09.658 Maybe you have to have two 00:04:09.666 --> 00:04:12.325 before you really get that advantage from the schooling. 00:04:12.466 --> 00:04:15.704 So yeah, you've got to be thinking about how you're different from the average. 00:04:15.965 --> 00:04:19.221 If you really want to buy a home, you've got to love buying a home. 00:04:19.522 --> 00:04:23.133 I think of people as needing to save more typically. 00:04:23.403 --> 00:04:25.847 That we're programmed to think about the here and now, 00:04:25.982 --> 00:04:27.037 we're a bit impatient. 00:04:27.180 --> 00:04:30.886 Perhaps we haven't evolved to think well enough about the more distant future. 00:04:31.196 --> 00:04:32.411 If you buy a home, 00:04:32.500 --> 00:04:37.293 pay off your mortgage at the end of 30, or one hopes 15 years, you own something. 00:04:37.317 --> 00:04:38.777 In the meantime, you're saving. 00:04:38.809 --> 00:04:41.642 And you get into a routine that doesn't even feel like saving. 00:04:42.023 --> 00:04:44.991 It's more savings than if you're writing a rent check every month. 00:04:45.363 --> 00:04:47.093 So maybe it's our own imperfections. 00:04:47.094 --> 00:04:50.458 We need to lock ourselves into a higher savings regime, 00:04:50.459 --> 00:04:52.920 and that's another possible reason to buy a home. 00:04:52.959 --> 00:04:56.514 Yeah, I do think the forth savings argument has got something to it. 00:04:56.810 --> 00:05:00.111 But there's a big problem, especially in the United States today, 00:05:00.135 --> 00:05:04.620 and that is there's such an encouragement to buy houses with no money down, 00:05:04.620 --> 00:05:06.389 even after the financial crisis. 00:05:06.755 --> 00:05:08.930 If you really are concerned about savings, 00:05:09.110 --> 00:05:14.229 the key point is to have a 20% down payment. So save up for that down payment. 00:05:14.593 --> 00:05:16.545 And that is really what is going to be 00:05:16.569 --> 00:05:19.665 the forth savings aspect of buying the house. 00:05:20.059 --> 00:05:22.869 You know, I think the biggest piece of advice I'd give to people 00:05:22.948 --> 00:05:25.543 is just to be on that wealthier side of the equation, 00:05:25.694 --> 00:05:27.805 so that owning a home makes sense for you. 00:05:27.978 --> 00:05:32.780 Don't forget our earlier investment rule: Diversify, diversify, diversify. 00:05:33.066 --> 00:05:34.621 And yet, when it comes to housing, 00:05:34.851 --> 00:05:39.359 people are encouraged to put a huge amount of their wealth into one asset, 00:05:39.446 --> 00:05:41.200 in one place in the country. 00:05:41.414 --> 00:05:43.040 That could be a terrible decision. 00:05:43.192 --> 00:05:45.667 If you're in a small town with only one employer, 00:05:45.882 --> 00:05:48.675 and you have a house and that employer goes bust, 00:05:49.088 --> 00:05:50.769 well your house price is going to fall, 00:05:50.770 --> 00:05:53.802 you might lose your job, your income is all going to fall, 00:05:54.080 --> 00:05:56.373 and it's all going to be happening concentrated, 00:05:56.532 --> 00:05:58.599 all in one place all at one time. 00:05:59.858 --> 00:06:03.189 (narrator) What do you think? 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