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How to be Free from Ego

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5 November 2024[br](with subtitles)

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[Mooji] Can I just read it out?[br][Questioner 1] Yes.

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[M.] You write, 'Dear Guruji,

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I am too ashamed and afraid [br]to speak to you.

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I don't know how to observe with detachment.

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I don't know how to be aware[br]that I am aware.

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I still see this 'I' identity as real.[br]Please help me.'

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It's a very, very honest thing.

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I wish people would write more like this.[br]And just to say,

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because some people,[br]they hold back and they don't say.

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So I appreciate that you can say it,

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because I can kind of have a chance

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to share with you in a simple way.

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'I don't know how to observe [br]with detachment.'

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Actually, we are observing with detachment[br]many things,

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if they don't matter to you,[br]do you understand?

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If things don't matter to you, [br]you still see them,

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but you are not distracted by them.

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Everybody, same thing.[br]So that's the first part.

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There is no such thing as [br]not observing with detachment.

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If, suppose everything you see,[br]every situation you had,

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you had to remember.[br]It's just alive in you.

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We will be completely crazy.[br]Nobody can do.

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There is the mechanism [br]of our true natural state,

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it's working all the time to ...

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Like you can walk through here,[br]walk up there.

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You don't have to notice every step.[br]You don't notice everything.

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You meet a person. [br]Say, 'Hi. Good morning.'

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You pass. You don't have to retain that.

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So a natural detachment [br]is functioning inside us.

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It's already there, detachment.

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If we were not able to detach [br]and yet we are perceiving,

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we would be in trouble.

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So, first of all, know that it's natural, [br]that you meet people ...

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It's the things that matter to you,

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that you start to become more attached to.

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Like it has meaning, [br]and so I have to remember this thing.

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So it's almost like, [br]you take a kind of photograph

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in some kind of way inside.[br]It's like, that matters.

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So then it becomes important.[br]So like this, when you say,

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'I don't know how to observe [br]with detachment',

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if I say, But you're doing it anyway [br]with many things.

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If I walk through from the front[br]to the back here,

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and I say to everybody as we're walking through,[br]Be detached from everything,

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then it becomes a problem,[br]because it turns it into a strangeness.

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Because naturally you're detached from things.

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You come to satsang[br]and I'm teaching you something much more powerful

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and to bring awareness to something [br]that's already natural for you.

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But I want it to be natural for you[br]even with things that matter.

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[Q.1] Yes, that's my problem.

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[Mooji] Yeah, yeah, yeah. [br]It's a problem for everybody.

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With things that don't matter,[br]no problem.

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You don't even have to say,[br]'I'm going to be detached from that.'

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You don't even have to say that.[br]You don't have to think.

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You're just senses, eyes, life.[br]You meet these things. Nothing.

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Just move through them. You retain your peace.

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But about the things that you say matter,[br]and what makes them matter?

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Let's slow down a bit and say,[br]what makes some things matter?

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It's an open question.[br]Why do they matter?

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Some

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relationship, some concepts,

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OK, this is family, this is my job,

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this is my relationship,[br]and these things matter.

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So if somebody else's relationship [br]is in trouble, it's no problem for you.

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But if you have a relationship problem,[br]it matters for you.

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So what is this thing that I'm talking about,[br]to observe with detachment?

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It's just a little step further[br]than what I say,

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you walk through,[br]you're naturally detached anyway.

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What I'm asking about, [br]learning to observe with detachment,

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is to bring that detachment ...

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Because whatever you see,[br]nothing sticks actually. A natural thing.

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But when things matter, your relationship,

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what you want, your work and so on,

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it creates a structure in your mind

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and you have to take care of that.

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So, I'm not going into all of these things.

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I'm saying that, [br]OK, what is attachment, is to ...

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I want you to be aware of a space within you,

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which is not changed[br]by whatever is happening around you.

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It's alive.[br]It's not dead, but it's not,

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it's not attached[br]to the outcome of things so deeply.

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I don't know if I'm putting it right.[br]I'm trying to find an example.

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[Q.1] I feel like there is no space.[br]It's just all mind and identity.

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[M.] If you are able to see mind,

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you must be looking from [br]some place that's not mind.

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This is true for everybody.[br]Just you're not aware that it's like that.

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Actually, what I'm saying is [br]actually so powerfully true for you,

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when you're aware of it.

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And largely, the teachings[br]and the practice of what we do here

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is to make you more aware of something about you

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that you're not so aware of, for everybody.

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And because we're not aware[br]in the place that you should be aware

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of your inmost being ...

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You can't see that.

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That's the other thing.[br]Everything else you can see.

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Every relationship, every object you can see.

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Every thought you can remember, [br]you can think.

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They're all called 'other',[br]everything you can see.

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But your Self you cannot see!

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You get that?

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You can say,[br]'Oh, this is my body. This is my ring.

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This is my house. This is my car.'

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My, my, my. This belongs to me.

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My, my, my. Everything belongs to you.

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This is my family. This is my mother.[br]This is my house.

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This is my country. This is my passport.[br]This is my birth certificate.

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All 'my', meaning they belong to you.

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But can you say, [br]This is my my? This is my me?'

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You can't say, 'This is my me.'[br]Why?

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[Q.1] Because I cannot see this.

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[M.] Yes.[br]So because you can't see it,

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[M.] does it mean it's not there?[br][Q.1] No.

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[M.] Right.[br]So there's something in the world,

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everything you can see,[br]but something you cannot see.

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Everything you can see,[br]but something you cannot see.

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And yet you cannot deny that it is real,[br]isn't it?

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You know you are.

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Now, I'm going to zoom in a little bit closer

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in this feeling that, 'Yes, I know I am.'

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This thing which you cannot see,

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that you say, 'You know it is here.'[br]I mean, it's the first fact,

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because if it's not here,[br]nothing else is here, isn't it?

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But it cannot be seen, yeah?

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OK, so we are back to this point.

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Everything you can see, everything;

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your thoughts, feelings, objects, people,

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your feelings,[br]all of these things, you can see.

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You can even see[br]the quality of your sight, isn't it?

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So if you went to the optician[br]and he says,

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'Could you tell me something, [br]why you come here?'

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You said, 'Actually, I'm not able to see [br]or focus on things so well.'

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He said, 'In both eyes?'

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You say, 'No, no, in the right eye.'[br]'OK, tell me something.'

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You said, 'In the left eye, I can see [br]maybe 80% of what it should be,

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but in the right eye it's like about 50.'

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So something must be seeing sight,[br]isn't it?

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The capacity is there.[br]You don't have to ask anybody.

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You can see, yes,[br]something is aware of even the sight

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is not functioning well.

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So something must be behind even the sight.

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You're also aware of feelings,[br]emotion,

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sense of time. If somebody said,[br]'Yesterday something happened',

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you're aware of what that means.[br]Everything you're aware of.

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Everything you can see.

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But your Self, can you see?

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Why?

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Your body you can see.[br]Your body you can see.

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You can see your smile.[br]You can see your body.

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You can see everything.

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But your Self, [br]is seeing your body [seeing] your Self?

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Why not?

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[Q.1] Because something is aware of ...[br][M.] Yes.

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[Q.1] ... of the body.[br][M.] Yes.

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That something which is aware of the body[br]cannot be seen.

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[M.] You're saying, no?[br][Q.1] Yeah.

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[M.] Can it see sickness?

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It can know, 'I'm not feeling well'.

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'I'm not feeling ...'[br]It knows emotion.

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'I'm feeling a little a bit uncomfortable.'

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It sees everything.[br]But itself it cannot see.

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You're saying? Yeah.

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Why can it see everything,[br]but it cannot see itself?

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[Q.1] This I don't know.

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[M.] This which cannot ...

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You can see everything,[br]but you cannot see your Self.

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This which you cannot see,

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yet you cannot deny, this is your Self.

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Everything you can see,[br]your feelings, thoughts,

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and the function of intellect.

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Everything you can see.

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But that which is seeing them,[br]you say, 'I can see.' [VERIFY]

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It's sort of,[br]the word 'I' represents this thing,

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but it cannot be seen.

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Even your mother can come and say,

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'Darling, it's nice to see you.'

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What is the 'you' that she's seeing?

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[Q.1] The body.[br][M.] The body.

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And she's seeing her affection,[br]her memory of you.

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All this she puts to become you.

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'Darling, it's so nice.[br]I haven't seen you for a long time.'

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So whatever someone says,[br]'It's good to see you.

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Where have you been? You put on weight'[br]or, 'You lost some.'

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All of this is to do with what?

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[Q.1] Appearance.[br][M.] Your form and appearance, OK?

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[M.] So, can she see You?[br]Can you see You?

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Is that scary?

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[Q.1] No, it's not scary, but it's ...

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Something is missing or feels like ...

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[M.] OK, take a moment [br]and think about what's missing.

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You cannot see your True Self.

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I also cannot see my True Self.

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Why?[br]Because it's not an object.

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It's not even a thought.

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[Q.1] But you say to stay as this.[br]But ... [laughs]

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[M.] Well. OK. OK, thank you.[br]I say to stay as this. Why?

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Because, first of all,[br]you imagine something else to be yourself.

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You call yourself a woman,[br]a daughter, you're from this country,

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my parents, I'm ... Whatever. Like this.

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So we're used to associating some quality[br]that represents you.

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But really, you're earlier than this,[br]in the purity.

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The one that is aware,[br]that says ...

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You're talking on the phone,[br]'I'm 27 years old. I've got two children.

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I'm married. I live in this place.'

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That one, is what?

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[Q.1] Person.[br][M.] The person.

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Is the person and the Self,[br]the True Self, is the same thing?

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[Q.1] No.

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[M.] Does that bring a feeling of discomfort?

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No. No. Because there's nothing [br]you have to do to know that.

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You, something knows.

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Yet most people in the world[br]have not even looked like this.

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They have not even thought about this,

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because your world starts with your person.

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If I employ you, I look at you, I interview,

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I say, Tell me about yourself.[br]You say, 'I studied this in university.

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I lived in South Africa for a while. I travelled.'

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Information.[br]Information cannot be You.

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It's about your person. [br]Which is, what is the person?

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[Q.1] This identity is person.[br][M.] Yes, yes.

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[M.] Can you see the identity person?

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[Q.] Yeah.[br][M.] What does it look like?

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[Q.1] Some tightness, some attachment.

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[M.] Attachment.[br][Q.1] To ideas.

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[M.] Yes.[br]Attachment to some ideas, OK?

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But the person is also an idea.

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[Q.1] This is the problem,[br]because it really feels real. So, yeah.

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[M.] Because it is the feeling 'I' in you,

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this 'I', it says,[br]'I see', 'I think', 'I ...' Da, da, da.

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Who is the 'I' that thinks.[br]We're not sure, the person or the real Self?

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'I want'.[br]'Yes, I know.'

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Who is the 'I' that knows?

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Is it personal or impersonal?

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[Q.1] Personal.[br][M.] It's personal. OK, good!

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[M.] What sees it's impersonal?

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[Q.1] I don't know what.[br]I know it's something is seen but ... [VERIFY VS SEEING?]

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[M.] Yes. It's the same answer. [br]You've given the answer already.

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It cannot be seen.

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This is the most important discovery,

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because until you really[br]realise this and know this,

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you take yourself to be an object[br]perceiving another object.

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The object being your person.[br]And it's OK, it's OK.

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God made it like that, [br]that we would also be projected

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into the world of thought [br]and feeling and association

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and say, 'This is me'.[br]For a while.

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But with this 'I', that works as the person,

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its world and itself is never stable,

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because it has an identity.

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Is the identity of the person[br]always stable? No, no.

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But it tries with everything[br]to share that it is stable.

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Because stable means, it's wise, it's real.[br]It's dependable. It's consistent.

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I'm just talking this through.

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But I'm pointing to a deeper knowing [br]behind this person

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that knows the person, that sees the person.

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That which is aware of the person ...[br]You're with me?

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Is it attached to the person [br]or is the person attached to it?

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Take a moment.

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[Q.1] It's not attached.[br][M.] It's not attached.

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[M.] Does it suffer from not being attached?

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[Q.1] No. [laughs]

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[M.] But I had to question you,[br]for you to recede to that place,

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to say, 'It's not attached.'

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Because where we are functioning, normally,

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is from the identity of the person,[br]which is attached.

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Which likes and dislikes.

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Who wants and doesn't want.

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Who thinks this and thinks that.

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And very much is in the function [br]of perceiving and living, no?

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So, what I'm sharing,[br]is that, that's OK.

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But if you only are aware of yourself[br]as a person, with its world,

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you will never be totally happy.[br]Because it's not stable.

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Today, 'Ah, I'm so happy.[br]I'm so ... Oh, so wonderful!'

0:19:09.217,0:19:13.322
Tomorrow I see you ... [imitates struggling]

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I say, Mia, what's up?[br]'It's OK, I don't want to talk about it.'

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[M.] Who is it, who is speaking? Person, no?[br][Q.1] Yes.

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[M.] What does the Self say?[br]What does the real Self say?

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Is it important at all?

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[M.] No. Is the Self important?[br][Q.1] No.

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[M.] It's not important?[br][Q.1] No.

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[M.] Does that mean it's no good?[br]It's not significant?

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The Self is not important?[br]It's not important?

0:19:43.960,0:19:47.471
OK, so what's the purpose[br]of it existing then?

0:19:47.471,0:19:50.804
If other things after it are important,[br]like the person;

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personal identity is important,[br]personal world is important,

0:19:54.365,0:19:56.954
personal attachment is important.

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But the one before all of this comes,[br]which cannot be removed,

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can the Self be killed? No.

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And you say, I like that, actually,[br]'It's not important.' OK?

0:20:16.450,0:20:20.710
[M.] What is important?

0:20:20.710,0:20:25.525
[Q.1] I feel this exercise is important to do.[br][M.] Yes.

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[M.] Why is it important, the exercise?

0:20:33.747,0:20:36.751
[Q.1] To stabilise in this.[br][M.] Yes.

0:20:36.751,0:20:41.133
[M.] Is it the Self, the inmost Self, [br]that has to stabilise,

0:20:41.133,0:20:44.870
[M.] or something else has to stabilise?[br][Q.1] Something else.

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[M.] Right.

0:20:46.877,0:20:51.170
Why does it need to stabilise,[br]the something else?

0:20:51.170,0:20:57.502
[Q.1] Not to get pulled into identity.

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[M.] Yes. What is it that gets pulled[br]into identity, is it the Self?

0:21:04.262,0:21:08.321
[Q.1] Attention.[br][M.] Attention. Attention gets pulled.

0:21:08.321,0:21:11.772
[M.] So attention is very important.[br][Q.1] Yes.

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[M.] When the attention gets pulled into identity,

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what knows it most deeply;

0:21:18.522,0:21:25.223
the attention, the mind, the person, [br]or the inmost Self?

0:21:25.223,0:21:28.825
[Q.1] The Self. The inmost Self.[br][M.] The Self.

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[M.] Does it suffer?[br][Q.1] No.

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[M.] No. Still it's important,

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because every time the attention [br]goes out and forgets itself,

0:21:39.320,0:21:43.268
[M.] it forgets where it comes from.[br][Q.1] Yeah. [laughs]

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[M.] Every time the attention goes out,[br]gets involved in its projections,

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it causes some pain.

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It creates a kind of a world,[br]it creates emotion,

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it creates ups and downs, like this.

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And something is troubled by that.

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Maybe the person is troubled by that.

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And in our world, [br]everything is due to the person.

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It's the person that takes [br]another person to court.

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It's the person that wins or lose.[br]What about the Self?

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[Q.1] Nothing. [laughs][br][M.] Is it important to know this?

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[Q.1] Yeah.[br][M.] Yeah.

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OK, so when we speak about ...[br]I'll come back to your letter now.

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You say, 'I don't know[br]how to observe with detachment'.

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Does the Self need to know [br]how to observe with detachment?

0:22:40.860,0:22:45.179
[Questioner shakes head, no][br][M.] Why?

0:22:45.179,0:22:50.230
[Q.1] It doesn't need anything.[br][M.] It doesn't need anything.

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[M.] Yet everything is known to it.

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The play of the mind, [br]or da da da da, it knows,

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[M.] but it's not impacted upon.[br][Q.1] No.

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[M.] There is a link between [br]the sense of the person and the inner Self.

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When the person,[br]who cannot exist without the inner Self,

0:23:16.405,0:23:22.919
when it gets into states of confusion and pain,

0:23:22.919,0:23:26.794
if it doesn't realise its root as the inner Self,

0:23:26.794,0:23:29.601
it goes floating off and trouble can come.

0:23:29.601,0:23:33.454
Mental problems can come.[br]Sickness can come. Anger can come.

0:23:33.454,0:23:35.517
Fear comes. Everything comes.

0:23:35.517,0:23:39.266
So it's very important that [br]this personal sense

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becomes aware of its root.

0:23:41.808,0:23:47.965
[Q.1] Yes, and when I try[br]to do this exercise, I cannot come to this.

0:23:47.965,0:23:53.034
[M.] Who is doing the exercise?[br][Q.1] Yes, the mind and the person

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[Q.1] and the one who wants to stop suffering.[br][M.] Right.

0:23:58.117,0:24:01.099
[M.] What knows this?

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What is aware of this?[br]Is it the person-mind or the inner Self?

0:24:08.516,0:24:12.310
[Q.1] The inner Self.[br][M.] Yeah. Is the inner Self troubled?

0:24:12.310,0:24:14.415
[Q.1] No.

0:24:14.415,0:24:18.862
[M.] Still, the exercise is good,[br]because this is the real yoga.

0:24:18.862,0:24:22.913
Yoga means the coming together into oneness,

0:24:22.913,0:24:28.966
where the sense of the person [br]has to rediscover its root.

0:24:28.966,0:24:32.107
The person cannot live by itself.

0:24:32.107,0:24:37.688
Even when it's not aware of the Self,[br]it still comes from the Self.

0:24:37.688,0:24:43.070
So largely the human expression [br]of the consciousness self

0:24:43.070,0:24:46.518
is self-aware as a person.

0:24:46.518,0:24:51.096
And so it can go for lifetimes,[br]in the human lifetime, living the person,

0:24:51.096,0:24:55.162
because it's a big world, its dreams,[br]and 'I have to go do this.

0:24:55.162,0:25:00.087
I like this, I don't like that,' and da da da.[br]Maybe life after life.

0:25:00.087,0:25:03.766
'This life I love, I love ice cream. [br]I'd die for ice cream.'

0:25:03.766,0:25:09.155
Next life, 'I can't stand ice cream.'[br]There's nothing consistent about it.

0:25:09.155,0:25:13.568
Except that it cannot exist [br]without the real Self.

0:25:13.568,0:25:16.113
And it has intelligence also.

0:25:16.113,0:25:21.630
So, when it happens to this personal self,

0:25:21.630,0:25:25.479
for some reason, [br]it's being attracted to find out that

0:25:25.479,0:25:28.132
maybe it suffers enough in the world

0:25:28.132,0:25:31.493
and it wants to find a solution for it.

0:25:31.493,0:25:37.266
And the only solid solution [br]is to discover where it comes from,

0:25:37.266,0:25:42.296
and that where it comes from and itself,[br]are one.

0:25:42.296,0:25:44.718
That's what the search of life is.

0:25:44.718,0:25:49.430
Because all beings who are not aware[br]of this oneness with the Self,

0:25:49.430,0:25:54.650
all of them suffer. All have problems. You see?

0:25:54.650,0:25:58.837
So this is the purpose of our satsang,

0:25:58.837,0:26:03.408
is that the consciousness,[br]in the form of a person,

0:26:03.408,0:26:05.930
becomes attracted to its root,

0:26:05.930,0:26:09.567
and not just attracted [br]to the world in front of it.

0:26:09.567,0:26:14.891
And so this exercise, like detachment,[br]meaning that whatever is going on,

0:26:14.891,0:26:19.389
to go in the world, to do,[br]the this, and self-image,

0:26:19.389,0:26:24.099
self-image, self-assessments,

0:26:24.099,0:26:29.340
all of this is a play of the mind,[br]is mind states.

0:26:29.340,0:26:35.647
And it has to realise that [br]all states are changeful, OK?

0:26:35.647,0:26:41.025
And that it can witness them,[br]it can observe them, without being them.

0:26:41.025,0:26:46.209
In fact, you can only observe something,[br]because you're not it, actually.

0:26:46.209,0:26:53.880
And that there's a capacity, [br]even in the person, to observe,

0:26:53.880,0:26:59.107
and in observing them it knows[br]that it's not them.

0:26:59.107,0:27:03.717
And that characteristic is like its parent.

0:27:03.717,0:27:07.992
You see, the person,[br]the characteristic of looking and realising that,

0:27:07.992,0:27:14.685
'Whatever I see is only[br]an impression, a thought, a feeling,

0:27:14.685,0:27:19.150
but it's not what I am,'[br]that's called <i>awakening</i>

0:27:19.150,0:27:22.680
It's waking up to the fact that nothing out here

0:27:22.680,0:27:26.528
comes through the mind or the senses,[br]nothing of there

0:27:26.528,0:27:30.140
can be fundamental to me.[br]All of it is changing.

0:27:30.140,0:27:36.066
And even myself as the person [br]who is looking and knowing this,

0:27:36.066,0:27:40.391
is like on the verge of this way - world -

0:27:40.391,0:27:43.270
this way - into the abyss of the Self.

0:27:43.270,0:27:46.402
Because it has a capacity[br]that when it looks

0:27:46.402,0:27:51.737
and it is not identified[br]with what it sees or what it experiences, OK?

0:27:51.737,0:27:56.035
And each thing comes, like life is saying,[br]'This thing and this thing'.

0:27:56.035,0:28:00.145
And it's saying,[br]'No, it's not this. What I am is not this'.

0:28:00.145,0:28:03.600
As you keep doing that,[br]it naturally comes back

0:28:03.600,0:28:07.488
to its original Self-awareness.

0:28:07.488,0:28:10.943
And I say, Self-awareness,[br]non-dual Self-awareness,

0:28:10.943,0:28:14.497
like not one thing, not a divided union,

0:28:14.497,0:28:18.021
but a harmony,[br]it comes back into realising,

0:28:18.021,0:28:21.728
'But here nothing is happening to me.'

0:28:21.728,0:28:25.135
When I go into the mind,[br]into identity,

0:28:25.135,0:28:28.518
then happenings become relevant.

0:28:28.518,0:28:33.250
But if I even can observe [br]and be aware of even my person,

0:28:33.250,0:28:37.740
which is like my person is like the....

0:28:37.740,0:28:42.840
What you call this?[br]The binoculars that see the world,

0:28:42.840,0:28:45.490
but the person who sees the world

0:28:45.490,0:28:48.379
is also seen from the place of the Self.

0:28:48.379,0:28:54.050
When it knows this,[br]it's coming back into conscious harmony.

0:28:54.050,0:28:57.085
That's all the thing of detachment is.

0:28:57.085,0:29:00.936
You don't have to kill anything.[br]It's just understanding.

0:29:00.936,0:29:04.934
The realisation of the Self [br]is a journey of understanding,

0:29:04.934,0:29:08.939
and understanding your misunderstanding.[br]So it's simple.

0:29:08.939,0:29:12.660
Unless we get it, it might seem,[br]'It's the most complex thing'.

0:29:12.660,0:29:15.125
Why?[br]Because you're not used to doing it.

0:29:15.125,0:29:18.712
Each one is used to looking forward,[br]looking outward.

0:29:18.712,0:29:23.078
Even sometimes when you think [br]we're looking inward into our mind,

0:29:23.078,0:29:25.801
it's still outward from the inner Self.

0:29:25.801,0:29:30.296
[Q.1] Yes, and this happens a lot,[br]because I go in,

0:29:30.296,0:29:33.380
and then it's the body.[br]I cannot go beyond.

0:29:33.380,0:29:36.082
[M.] Oh, you're in the body-mind?

0:29:36.082,0:29:39.784
But something behind that[br]knows this thing.

0:29:39.784,0:29:44.481
The mind cannot make an ultimate realisation

0:29:44.481,0:29:48.410
without becoming the realisation.

0:29:48.410,0:29:53.860
The mind or the person [br]cannot come to ultimate realisation

0:29:53.860,0:29:58.054
and remain independent of that realisation.

0:29:58.054,0:30:04.667
The more it becomes aware, [br]the more it finds it is. Not that it has.

0:30:04.667,0:30:08.451
And this is very significant thing.

0:30:08.451,0:30:13.657
Nobody can <i>have</i> the realisation[br]and be somebody who <i>has</i> realisation.

0:30:13.657,0:30:17.309
What it means is that, the idea of yourself

0:30:17.309,0:30:21.462
as being only the person,[br]subsides again, and is seen,

0:30:21.462,0:30:26.190
it is seen[br]as also the most subtle object.

0:30:26.190,0:30:31.100
This subtle object of a person [br]is behaving like a subject,

0:30:31.100,0:30:34.461
and that everything in its world[br]is the object.

0:30:34.461,0:30:38.187
But to the Self, it also is the first object.

0:30:38.187,0:30:44.619
The first object shines as this feeling 'I',[br]'I am here'.

0:30:44.619,0:30:48.659
You know, 'Mia!' 'Yes, I'm here.'[br]What it means, 'I am here'?

0:30:48.659,0:30:53.033
The reference normally is,[br]'Look, I'm over here'.

0:30:53.033,0:30:56.393
And this is OK, this is normal, [br]this is the only place

0:30:56.393,0:30:59.090
where language can exist, in that way.

0:30:59.090,0:31:02.182
The language is for the sense of the person

0:31:02.182,0:31:06.813
having relationship with what it likes or dislikes.

0:31:06.813,0:31:10.257
Actually,[br]there's nothing wrong with this, ultimately.

0:31:10.257,0:31:15.565
Because even as you wake up[br]again to realise that, whatever happens,

0:31:15.565,0:31:20.100
it's seen from this place.[br]But this place cannot be seen,

0:31:20.100,0:31:23.728
and that I can only really be this place.

0:31:23.728,0:31:27.742
Then when you really know this,[br]the dynamic expression of this,

0:31:27.742,0:31:31.271
which is like of being a person,[br]that can still play,

0:31:31.271,0:31:34.650
but it won't have that delusion in it.

0:31:34.650,0:31:38.654
[Q.1] Yes. This delusion has to go.

0:31:38.654,0:31:41.741
[M.] No, it needs to be understood.

0:31:41.741,0:31:44.598
It doesn't need to go.[br]Why it needs to go?

0:31:44.598,0:31:47.785
Because you are combining it with your identity

0:31:47.785,0:31:50.359
and it hurts like, 'No, no, no, no'.

0:31:50.359,0:31:53.494
But all this now, [br]you're going to see all of this

0:31:53.494,0:31:56.450
are constructs of the mind.

0:31:56.450,0:32:00.506
And the self is just a psychological portrait

0:32:00.506,0:32:03.136
of the mind, of the person.

0:32:03.136,0:32:07.750
But the inner being, which has no shape,[br]you can't identify and say,

0:32:07.750,0:32:11.240
'Ah, I found the inner being.' [br]You cannot do that.

0:32:11.240,0:32:17.650
Because anything you can do that with,[br]is an object in the perception.

0:32:17.650,0:32:20.919
[M.] You got it, isn't it?[br][Q.1] Yes.

0:32:20.919,0:32:25.730
[M.] OK. So, prove your problem.[br]Go on.

0:32:41.723,0:32:45.963
[M.] You see, you will need to sit with this,[br]more and more.

0:32:45.963,0:32:51.030
Because it's like shape shifting.[br]One minute you think you're looking

0:32:51.030,0:32:55.110
and the next minute you're involved, invested.

0:32:55.110,0:33:02.172
Don't get angry about this,[br]because it's been happening for lifetimes.

0:33:02.172,0:33:04.434
So, let it happen, it's OK.

0:33:04.434,0:33:09.695
Just keep seeing, but wait a minute, [br]this can be seen also.

0:33:09.695,0:33:14.001
The most intimate [br]is also an object of perception.

0:33:14.001,0:33:18.755
The most intimate, [br]because 'intimate' means at least two.

0:33:18.755,0:33:22.950
If there's not two, there's no intimate.

0:33:27.757,0:33:33.897
Can you be confused, 'you',[br]in the light of what I'm sharing?

0:33:33.897,0:33:36.514
[Q.1] No, no.[br][M.] Thank you.

0:33:36.514,0:33:39.826
[M.] But you can be aware of confusion.

0:33:39.826,0:33:44.730
If you can be aware of confusion [br]without identifying with confusion,

0:33:44.730,0:33:47.357
are you cheating?

0:33:47.357,0:33:50.543
[Q.1] No, no. [laughs]

0:33:52.064,0:33:54.899
[M.] Very good.

0:33:56.652,0:34:02.670
So let's start again from the beginning.[br]What's your problem?

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[Q.1] That when I do this exercise,[br]I believe I need to find something.

0:34:16.128,0:34:20.666
[M.] 'I' being what?[br]Qualify your status.

0:34:20.666,0:34:22.689
[Q.1] The person.

0:34:22.689,0:34:26.190
[M.] When the person do the exercise?[br]OK.

0:34:26.190,0:34:31.116
There's another word for person [br]in this exercise,

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I would call it,

0:34:33.948,0:34:42.267
when the personalised intelligence of the truth,

0:34:42.267,0:34:47.844
when the personal intelligence of God

0:34:47.844,0:34:54.620
gets confused with its projections,[br]then it's like, it's lost to itself.

0:34:54.620,0:34:57.150
It's like it's lost to itself.

0:34:57.150,0:35:01.749
When that loss to itself becomes painful,

0:35:01.749,0:35:07.283
you're on the brink of awakening.[br]You understand?

0:35:07.283,0:35:12.015
Because if you're not troubled by it,[br]then you will not go beyond it.

0:35:12.015,0:35:16.932
[Q.1] When it's just pain, pain, pain.[br][laughs]

0:35:16.932,0:35:22.233
[M.] 'No pain, no gain,' they say.[br]You have to ...

0:35:22.233,0:35:27.779
It's like, in a way, [br]you're giving birth to yourself.

0:35:27.779,0:35:35.213
[Q.1] Because I sit and I do,[br]but I feel like there is no result.

0:35:35.213,0:35:39.453
[M.] You, again,[br]who is sitting and looking, is what?

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[Q.1] The person. [laughs]

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[M.] Does it matter that [br]we're catching it like that?

0:35:48.011,0:35:50.429
That it's the person doing it,

0:35:50.429,0:35:53.137
and that what the person cries about today,

0:35:53.137,0:35:56.798
laughs about another moment.[br]That it's not consistent.

0:35:56.798,0:36:00.946
And even if it says, 'Eureka, I found the Self!'[br]Can it be true?

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[Q.1] No.[br][M.] Why not?

0:36:03.354,0:36:06.838
[Q.1] Because it cannot be seen.

0:36:06.838,0:36:10.433
And if it lends to some illusion of ...

0:36:10.433,0:36:14.550
[M.] So then what's the practice for?

0:36:18.092,0:36:23.100
[Q.1] To become aware of all these ...

0:36:27.526,0:36:31.473
[Q.1] ... wrong ideas.

0:36:31.473,0:36:34.351
[M.] Yes, that's one way we can put it.

0:36:34.351,0:36:37.140
Tell me another way we can put it. [br]That's good.

0:36:37.140,0:36:41.174
I take that, to become aware [br]of all these kind of little,

0:36:41.174,0:36:46.597
all these little kind of distortions [br]of understanding,

0:36:46.597,0:36:51.013
to become aware of them.[br]But more subtle than that.

0:36:51.013,0:36:56.578
By becoming aware of them,[br]you become aware of what?

0:36:56.578,0:37:01.458
[Q.1] Of that which is seeing.[br][M.] Is seeing, yeah.

0:37:01.458,0:37:06.918
How can you become,[br]be aware of it phenomenally?

0:37:06.918,0:37:10.069
Can you become aware of it phenomenally?

0:37:10.069,0:37:11.829
[Q.1] No.[br][M.] No.

0:37:11.829,0:37:15.440
[M.] So therefore,[br]you become aware of what?

0:37:15.440,0:37:20.605
[Q.1] It feels like it's just moments[br]of this awareness.

0:37:20.605,0:37:24.770
[M.] Yeah. It will flicker before, [br]because you're not used to it.

0:37:24.770,0:37:27.966
The reflex is used to going out[br]and connecting

0:37:27.966,0:37:31.425
with objects of projections [br]and perception, used to that.

0:37:31.425,0:37:35.675
But now I'm asking you to ... [br]All this is happening for everyone.

0:37:35.675,0:37:38.981
And even the one who says,[br]'But this is happening to me,

0:37:38.981,0:37:42.861
and I find it frustrating!'[br]With where I'm asking you to do,

0:37:42.861,0:37:47.471
is to see that that also [br]is an aspect of the mind.

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But all of these aspects, they came originally

0:37:52.057,0:37:56.358
from out of this projection, forward.[br]Can you see?

0:37:56.358,0:37:58.944
[Q.1] Yeah.[br][M.] Yeah.

0:37:58.944,0:38:06.243
[M.] And that the real opportunity [br]is in seeing this.

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But still something is feeling,[br]'No, but mind is still troubling'.

0:38:11.288,0:38:15.317
No, don't worry.[br]It's troubling who?

0:38:15.317,0:38:19.884
Who is the mind troubling?

0:38:19.884,0:38:23.752
[M.] We can say together after three: 1, 2, 3 ...[br][Q.1] No one.

0:38:23.752,0:38:27.197
[M.] The person. Oh, no one![br]Oh, you beat me to it!

0:38:27.197,0:38:31.022
It's troubling no one![br]It's troubling no one.

0:38:31.022,0:38:36.058
That's a better answer than the person.[br]You see this?

0:38:36.058,0:38:38.833
[Q.1] Yeah.[br][M.] OK.

0:38:40.509,0:38:43.760
[M.] So now what?

0:38:47.393,0:38:51.710
It's enough or not enough?

0:38:54.263,0:38:57.214
[Q.1] I don't know.

0:38:57.214,0:39:03.320
[M.] Who is saying? Who is ...?[br]Where is this answer coming from?

0:39:06.749,0:39:10.592
I can accept it, or I can question it,[br]'I don't know.'

0:39:10.592,0:39:14.873
'I', who don't know?

0:39:14.873,0:39:18.504
[Q.1] It's the person.[br][M.] It's the person.

0:39:18.504,0:39:21.515
[M.] Yeah, sure?[br][Q.1] No. [laughs]

0:39:21.515,0:39:25.878
[M.] It can be from the person.[br]If you say it's from the person, OK,

0:39:25.878,0:39:29.218
then I would say,[br]You give me one more move.

0:39:29.218,0:39:34.197
But what's aware[br]that it's coming from the person?

0:39:34.197,0:39:39.189
[Q.1] Yes.[br]Something feels like it's not satisfied,

0:39:39.189,0:39:45.310
but I should not go after this.

0:39:45.310,0:39:49.012
[M.] Yes.[br]This is a powerful seeing,

0:39:49.012,0:39:52.044
'Something feels not satisfied.'

0:39:52.044,0:39:57.229
That which feels not satisfied,[br]is it personal or impersonal?

0:39:57.229,0:40:00.494
[Q.1] It's personal.[br][M.] Personal.

0:40:00.494,0:40:04.598
[M.] You see, if that gets you each time,[br]like the person goes,

0:40:04.598,0:40:09.690
'I know, Guruji, but you know, I can't get ...'[br]Who's speaking?

0:40:09.690,0:40:12.311
[Q.1] Person.[br][M.] Yeah.

0:40:12.311,0:40:15.260
[M.] So we will finish on that note?

0:40:15.260,0:40:22.260
[Q.1] Uh, person? No. [laughs][br][M.] Thank you, OK. Where?

0:40:29.120,0:40:33.508
[M.] What does finish mean?

0:40:33.508,0:40:37.895
[Q.1] Just this conversation.[br]Finish the conversation.

0:40:37.895,0:40:43.496
[M.] The conversation can finish [br]in its oral manifestation.

0:40:43.496,0:40:46.568
It may go to be[br]some kind of little stuff

0:40:46.568,0:40:49.820
in the mind that feels like,[br]'Yeah, I don't know.

0:40:49.820,0:40:53.124
I had a talk with Mooji,[br]and it was really clear,

0:40:53.124,0:40:56.048
but now it's not clear.'[br]Is a report from?

0:40:56.048,0:40:58.233
[Q.1] The mind.[br][M.] From the mind.

0:40:58.233,0:41:02.217
[M.] And it is that ultimate?[br][Q.1] No.

0:41:02.217,0:41:06.199
[M.] No.[br]What is ultimate?

0:41:06.199,0:41:09.614
[Q.1] That which is aware of this.

0:41:09.614,0:41:12.027
[M.] Yes, yes.

0:41:12.027,0:41:15.621
Which is where?

0:41:15.621,0:41:18.665
[Q.1] It's nowhere.

0:41:18.665,0:41:22.770
[M.] Why are you smiling? [br][Questioner laughs]

0:41:28.463,0:41:34.004
[M.] So, you have a problem?

0:41:34.004,0:41:37.388
[Q.1] No. [br][both laugh]

0:41:37.388,0:41:42.674
[M.] Can you, from this place of answering,[br]ever have a problem?

0:41:42.674,0:41:45.288
[Q.1] No. No.

0:41:50.917,0:41:55.849
[M.] Are you sad or happy about this?

0:41:59.536,0:42:02.939
[Q.1] Nothing.[br][M.] Very good.

0:42:04.706,0:42:09.119
[M.] More subtle than even happy.

0:42:13.275,0:42:17.299
[M.] Yeah.[br]We're good?

0:42:19.388,0:42:23.337
[M.] If you go walking [br]and the mind comes again and says,

0:42:23.337,0:42:26.847
'I can't remember anything about that.'

0:42:26.847,0:42:31.333
'I'm going to try and see[br]if I can get that mood back.' Was it a mood?

0:42:31.333,0:42:33.991
[Q.1] No.[br][M.] It's not a mood.

0:42:33.991,0:42:37.475
[M.] Can you lose this?

0:42:38.460,0:42:40.890
[Q.1] No.[br][M.] No.

0:42:42.216,0:42:46.821
[M.] Can you possess this?[br][Q.1] No.

0:42:49.399,0:42:52.549
[M.] Very good.

0:42:56.226,0:42:59.149
[M.] I'm happy. Very good.

0:42:59.149,0:43:02.443
So, the rest I don't have to read, no?

0:43:02.443,0:43:06.781
'I don't know how to be awar[br]that I am aware.'

0:43:06.781,0:43:08.979
[Questioner laughs]

0:43:08.979,0:43:14.674
'I still see this 'I'-identity as real.[br]Please help, Mia.'

0:43:14.674,0:43:17.013
[M.] Do we need?[br][Q.1] No.

0:43:17.013,0:43:21.799
[M,] Very good. Can I keep it?[br][Q.1] Yes. I mean, throw it.

0:43:21.799,0:43:25.547
[M.] Throw it, keep it.[br]I'm happy you're like this. It's good.

0:43:25.547,0:43:31.245
[Q.1] You don't need to keep it.[br][M.] Because this [the letter],

0:43:31.245,0:43:37.149
I call it an auspicious reaching out [br]to clarify something.

0:43:37.149,0:43:42.040
And to that extent, it's very ...

0:43:42.040,0:43:45.051
I mean, it's not a game.

0:43:45.051,0:43:50.494
We can say it is like a game,[br]but it's not a cynical game.

0:43:50.494,0:43:57.038
It's, you may say, a game or a play or

0:43:57.038,0:44:02.096
something that needs to happen

0:44:02.096,0:44:06.165
to the human expression of consciousness,

0:44:06.165,0:44:11.045
when it comes to a stage[br]where its world is not working.

0:44:11.045,0:44:14.170
And I don't see that as a disaster.

0:44:14.170,0:44:17.944
I see it as opportunity [br]to look behind the scene.

0:44:17.944,0:44:23.011
[Q.1] Yes, yes.[br]I want to take every opportunity to look.

0:44:23.011,0:44:26.709
[M.] OK. Now? Right now?

0:44:26.709,0:44:30.605
[Q.1] Always, yes, now.[br][M.] Yes. OK.

0:44:30.605,0:44:33.890
[M.] Do you need to look further now?

0:44:33.890,0:44:36.793
[Q.1] I can do, yes.[br][M.] Yes.

0:44:36.793,0:44:40.270
[M.] Yes. Good.[br][Q.1] Yes, yes. [laughs]

0:44:40.270,0:44:44.529
[M.] Thank you. Very good.

0:44:47.418,0:44:50.435
And you don't need to talk [br]to anybody about it.

0:44:50.435,0:44:53.879
Just you sit with that, and watch.

0:44:53.879,0:45:00.522
And however tricky the mind can be,[br]you remember, it is secondary.

0:45:00.522,0:45:03.950
That which is primary, is seeing that.

0:45:03.950,0:45:08.403
And the mind can come in the form [br]of thought or moods or sensation,

0:45:08.403,0:45:11.215
it can appear like confusion,

0:45:11.215,0:45:16.112
it appears as identity, [br]but it's still only appearing.

0:45:16.112,0:45:19.658
Can the Self appear?

0:45:19.658,0:45:21.893
No.

0:45:21.893,0:45:26.855
So it causes the appearing [br]of the mind play and the diversity,

0:45:26.855,0:45:32.500
but it itself is indescribable, actually.

0:45:34.333,0:45:39.042
So at this point I would say, [br]sit and contemplate that.

0:45:39.042,0:45:41.261
That's all you have to do.

0:45:41.261,0:45:47.062
You see, it sounds as though[br]from what you write, somebody might think,

0:45:47.062,0:45:51.744
'Wow, I feel she's in real trouble.'[br]But for me, I say, what an opportunity,

0:45:51.744,0:45:55.351
I got to find out from you,[br]we can look together.

0:45:55.351,0:45:58.750
And it's all in you. It's all you.

0:46:01.978,0:46:04.174
Very good.

0:46:05.155,0:46:08.274
Would you like some tea?[br]Are you OK?

0:46:08.274,0:46:12.522
[Q.1] I think there's food waiting for me.[br][M.] Go eat, it's cold.

0:46:12.522,0:46:18.045
[M.] That's the only food that's worth[br]eating cold right now.

0:46:18.045,0:46:23.729
[M.] Thank you. Wonderful, darling.[br]Thank you, thank you, thank you,

0:46:23.729,0:46:28.153
[Q.1] Thank you.[br][M.] Yes. See you in a bit.

0:46:28.153,0:46:32.400
[M.] OK. OK. [br][Q.1] Thank you.

0:46:37.378,0:46:41.229
[M.] If you are earnest,[br]you can walk the same road.

0:46:41.229,0:46:44.079
It's fresh every time.

0:46:44.079,0:46:47.534
[inaudible speech in background]

0:46:47.534,0:46:51.640
[Q.2] Yes, something is missing,[br]like people bring to you often,

0:46:51.640,0:46:55.289
[Q.2] 'Yes, I do exercise, great,[br]but something is missing.'

0:46:55.289,0:46:58.037
And there was a moment when I recognised,

0:46:58.037,0:47:02.319
'Oh, wow, I have this thought.'[br]I really needed to look into that.

0:47:02.319,0:47:06.896
And it came to me,[br]that due to the habit of having a shape,

0:47:06.896,0:47:11.587
it's as though something is looking[br]for the shape within the shapeless.

0:47:11.587,0:47:15.307
And this gives you an idea[br]that something is missing.

0:47:15.307,0:47:18.744
And then,[br]another thing that you keep telling us,

0:47:18.744,0:47:22.204
Can you bear your own emptiness?

0:47:22.204,0:47:26.575
And it's just like,[br]it just clicked in a different way.

0:47:26.575,0:47:29.874
That it's not bothersome anymore when it comes.

0:47:29.874,0:47:34.839
[M.] We're used to possessing some phenomenal gain.

0:47:34.839,0:47:38.725
We say,[br]'Yes, but there's something missing'.

0:47:38.725,0:47:43.062
Sometimes I might put it ...

0:47:48.656,0:47:54.503
What is saying that something is missing?

0:47:54.503,0:48:00.787
And, you know,[br]we're in a kind of 'end of game' moment.

0:48:00.787,0:48:02.851
'The mind?' OK.

0:48:02.851,0:48:07.042
What's seeing the mind,[br]saying something is missing?

0:48:07.042,0:48:09.572
'Oh, I can't see that.'

0:48:09.572,0:48:12.771
Does that mean, it doesn't exist?[br]You see?

0:48:12.771,0:48:14.951
'I', who can't see it?

0:48:14.951,0:48:19.717
Even the one who is saying, 'I can't see it',[br]is also seen, from it.[br]

0:48:19.717,0:48:25.088
[M.] But this, we come to something .... What?[br][voice] Could you say that again?

0:48:25.088,0:48:29.758
Even the one who is saying,[br]'I can't see, what's seeing this',

0:48:29.758,0:48:32.692
is itself seen, in this.

0:48:32.692,0:48:38.238
But there is something that feels like,[br]'I need a concrete ...

0:48:38.238,0:48:42.179
... conclusion.'

0:48:42.179,0:48:49.047
And any concrete conclusion is also just phenomenal.

0:48:49.047,0:48:52.912
And this is why I say,[br]You cannot bear your own emptiness.

0:48:52.912,0:48:57.754
Because something is relying on a trophy.

0:48:57.754,0:49:02.414
But both the trophy and the one gaining it,[br]aren't real, either.

0:49:02.414,0:49:04.717
Like this.

0:49:04.717,0:49:09.786
So it can look like, it's kind of mental, OK?

0:49:09.786,0:49:13.966
It's like the sword of wisdom can look like,

0:49:13.966,0:49:17.792
'Hmmm, but it's made of cardboard.'

0:49:17.792,0:49:24.063
It doesn't matter what it thinks,[br]but, yes ...

0:49:25.394,0:49:32.294
This is the heart of Advaita contemplation!

0:49:32.294,0:49:35.184
It is the ...

0:49:38.568,0:49:41.866
There is no next, after this.

0:49:41.866,0:49:44.445
You understand?[br]Unless we go out.

0:49:44.445,0:49:47.969
Which is fine, but go out after!

0:49:47.969,0:49:50.756
When you go out during,[br]when we're looking,

0:49:50.756,0:49:54.826
something wants to escape.[br]OK, that's fine, it's OK.

0:49:54.826,0:49:58.592
Is that you?[br]Kind of ...

0:49:58.592,0:50:02.317
Because you're used to this being also mind,[br]and ...

0:50:02.317,0:50:05.510
[M.] So anyway, we can just stop there.[br][voice] Yes.

0:50:05.510,0:50:08.698
[M.] Yes, the ax has fallen.

0:50:08.698,0:50:12.515
But the head is talking.

0:50:12.515,0:50:14.634
[laughter]

0:50:14.634,0:50:19.444
Yes, the ax has fallen, but the head is talking.