9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 1[br]00:00:18,340 --> 00:00:21,251[br]M: Can I just read it out?[br]Q1: Yes. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 2[br]00:00:21,251 --> 00:00:23,360[br]M: You write, 'Dear Guruji. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 3[br]00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:27,470[br]I am too ashamed and afraid to speak to you. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 4[br]00:00:27,470 --> 00:00:31,880[br]I don't know how to observe with detachment. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 5[br]00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:35,520[br]I don't know how to be aware that I am aware. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 6[br]00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:40,100[br]I still see this 'I' identity as real.[br]Please help me.' 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 7[br]00:00:40,100 --> 00:00:42,880[br]It's very, very honest thing. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 8[br]00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,706[br]I wish people would write more like this and say. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 9[br]00:00:45,706 --> 00:00:49,390[br]Because some people,[br]they hold back and they don't say. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 10[br]00:00:49,390 --> 00:00:51,660[br]So I appreciate that you can say it, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 11[br]00:00:51,660 --> 00:00:54,640[br]because I can kind of have a chance 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 12[br]00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,710[br]to share with you in a simple way. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 13[br]00:00:59,470 --> 00:01:04,940[br][Mooji reads] 'I don't know how to [br]observe with detachment.' 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 14[br]00:01:07,460 --> 00:01:12,490[br]Actually, we are observing with detachment[br]on many things, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 15[br]00:01:12,490 --> 00:01:16,373[br]if they don't matter to you, you understand? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 16[br]00:01:16,373 --> 00:01:19,330[br]If things don't matter to you, [br]you still see them, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 17[br]00:01:19,330 --> 00:01:21,840[br]but you're not distracted by them. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 18[br]00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,610[br]Everybody same, same thing.[br]So that's the first part. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 19[br]00:01:25,610 --> 00:01:28,970[br]There is no such thing as [br]not observing with detachment. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 20[br]00:01:28,970 --> 00:01:33,940[br]If suppose everything you see,[br]every situation you had, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 21[br]00:01:33,940 --> 00:01:36,820[br]you had to remember. It's just alive in you. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 22[br]00:01:36,820 --> 00:01:40,070[br]We'll be completely crazy.[br]Nobody can do. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 23[br]00:01:40,070 --> 00:01:46,460[br]There is the mechanism [br]of our true natural state, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 24[br]00:01:46,460 --> 00:01:50,000[br]it's working all the time to, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 25[br]00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,880[br]like you can walk through here,[br]walk up there, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 26[br]00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:56,200[br]you don't have to notice every step.[br]You don't notice everything. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 27[br]00:01:56,200 --> 00:02:01,070[br]You meet a person, 'Hi. Good morning.' [br]Pass, pass. You don't have to retain that. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 28[br]00:02:01,070 --> 00:02:07,949[br]So a natural detachment [br]is functioning inside us. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 29[br]00:02:10,980 --> 00:02:15,260[br]It's already there, detachment. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 30[br]00:02:15,260 --> 00:02:19,890[br]If we were not able to detach [br]and yet we are perceiving, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 31[br]00:02:19,890 --> 00:02:22,940[br]we would be in trouble, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 32[br]00:02:22,940 --> 00:02:30,330[br]So first of all, know that it's natural [br]that you meet people— 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 33[br]00:02:30,330 --> 00:02:34,830[br]it's the things that matter to you 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 34[br]00:02:34,830 --> 00:02:39,290[br]that you start to become more attached to, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 35[br]00:02:39,290 --> 00:02:42,610[br]like it has meaning [br]and so I have to remember this thing. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 36[br]00:02:42,610 --> 00:02:47,096[br]So it's almost like [br]you take a kind of photograph 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 37[br]00:02:47,096 --> 00:02:49,990[br]in some kind of way inside,[br]it's like that matters, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 38[br]00:02:49,990 --> 00:02:52,110[br]so then it become important. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 39[br]00:02:52,110 --> 00:02:57,680[br]So like this, when you say,[br]'I don't know how to observe with detachment.' 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 40[br]00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:05,570[br]If I say, But you're doing it anyway [br]with many things. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 41[br]00:03:05,570 --> 00:03:08,340[br]If I walk through from the front[br]to the back here, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 42[br]00:03:08,340 --> 00:03:12,960[br]and I say to everybody as we're walking through,[br]Be detached from everything, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 43[br]00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:17,340[br]then it becomes a problem,[br]because it turns it into a strangeness, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 44[br]00:03:17,340 --> 00:03:20,210[br]because naturally you're detached from things. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 45[br]00:03:20,210 --> 00:03:25,250[br]You come to satsang and I'm teaching you [br]something much more powerful 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 46[br]00:03:25,250 --> 00:03:30,280[br]and to bring awareness to something [br]that's already natural for you. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 47[br]00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:36,820[br]But I want it to be natural for you[br]even with things that matter. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 48[br]00:03:36,820 --> 00:03:39,080[br]Q1: Yes, that's my problem. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 49[br]00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:44,930[br]M: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [br]It's a problem for everybody. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 50[br]00:03:44,930 --> 00:03:47,640[br]With things that don't matter, no problem. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 51[br]00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,040[br]You don't even have to say,[br]'I'm going to be detached from that.' 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 52[br]00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:56,360[br]You don't even have to say that.[br]You don't have to think. You're just senses, eyes, life. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 53[br]00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:00,960[br]You meet these things. Nothing.[br]Just move through them. You retain your peace. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 54[br]00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:05,700[br]But about the things that you say matter,[br]and what makes them matter? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 55[br]00:04:05,700 --> 00:04:10,440[br]Let's slow down a bit and say,[br]what makes some things matter? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 56[br]00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:17,510[br]It's an open question for me.[br]Why do they matter? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 57[br]00:04:17,510 --> 00:04:19,870[br]Some 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 58[br]00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,598[br]relationship, some concepts, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 59[br]00:04:23,598 --> 00:04:26,910[br]like okay, this is family, this is my job, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 60[br]00:04:26,910 --> 00:04:30,270[br]this is my relationship,[br]and these things matter. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 61[br]00:04:30,270 --> 00:04:34,700[br]So if somebody else's relationship [br]is having problem, it's no problem for you. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 62[br]00:04:34,700 --> 00:04:38,260[br]But you have a relationship problem,[br]it matters for you. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 63[br]00:04:38,260 --> 00:04:43,980[br]So what is this thing that I'm talking about - [br]To observe with detachment. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 64[br]00:04:43,980 --> 00:04:47,830[br]It's just a little step further than what I say, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 65[br]00:04:47,830 --> 00:04:49,720[br]you walk through,[br]you're naturally detached anyway. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 66[br]00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:54,440[br]What I'm asking about - [br]learning to observe with detachment, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 67[br]00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:58,740[br]is to bring that detachment— 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 68[br]00:04:58,740 --> 00:05:04,235[br]because whatever you see,[br]nothing sticks actually. Natural thing. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 69[br]00:05:04,235 --> 00:05:08,730[br]But when things matter, your relationship, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 70[br]00:05:08,730 --> 00:05:11,947[br]what you want, your work and so on, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 71[br]00:05:11,947 --> 00:05:15,750[br]it creates a structure in your mind 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 72[br]00:05:15,750 --> 00:05:19,740[br]and you have to take care of that. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 73[br]00:05:19,740 --> 00:05:22,770[br]So, I'm not going into all of these things. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 74[br]00:05:22,770 --> 00:05:28,459[br]I'm saying that, [br]okay, what is attachment is to... 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 75[br]00:05:30,590 --> 00:05:39,660[br]I want you to be aware [br]of a space within you which is 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 76[br]00:05:42,290 --> 00:05:45,860[br]not changed by whatever is happening around you. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 77[br]00:05:45,860 --> 00:05:50,640[br]It's alive. It's not dead, but it's not— 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 78[br]00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:57,720[br]it's not attached to the outcome [br]of things so deeply. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 79[br]00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:02,550[br]I don't know if I'm putting it right.[br]I'm trying to find an example. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 80[br]00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:10,468[br]Q1: I feel like there is no space.[br]It's just all mind and identity. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 81[br]00:06:10,468 --> 00:06:12,810[br]M: If you are able to see mind, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 82[br]00:06:12,810 --> 00:06:16,560[br]you must be looking from [br]some place that's not mind. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 83[br]00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:21,170[br]This is true for everybody.[br]Just you're not aware that it's like that. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 84[br]00:06:21,170 --> 00:06:25,850[br]Actually, what I'm saying is [br]actually so powerfully true for you 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 85[br]00:06:25,850 --> 00:06:28,260[br]when you're aware of it. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 86[br]00:06:28,260 --> 00:06:35,610[br]And largely, the teachings and the practice[br]of what we do here 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 87[br]00:06:35,610 --> 00:06:38,880[br]is to make you more aware of something about you 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 88[br]00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,740[br]that you're not so aware of, for everybody, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 89[br]00:06:41,740 --> 00:06:44,009[br]because we're not aware in the place 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 90[br]00:06:44,009 --> 00:06:48,330[br]that you should be aware of your inmost being. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 91[br]00:06:48,330 --> 00:06:51,200[br]You can't see that. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 92[br]00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,740[br]That's the other thing.[br]Everything else you can see. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 93[br]00:06:54,740 --> 00:06:58,040[br]Every relationship, every object you can see, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 94[br]00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,780[br]every thought you can remember, [br]you can think. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 95[br]00:07:00,780 --> 00:07:06,180[br]They're all called 'other',[br]everything you can see. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 96[br]00:07:06,180 --> 00:07:08,570[br]But your Self you cannot see. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 97[br]00:07:08,570 --> 00:07:10,570[br]M: You get that?[br]Q1: Yeah. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 98[br]00:07:10,570 --> 00:07:15,370[br]M: You can say, 'Oh, this is my body.[br]This is my ring. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 99[br]00:07:15,370 --> 00:07:17,700[br]This is my house. This is my car.' 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 100[br]00:07:17,700 --> 00:07:24,019[br]My, my, my. This belongs to me. [br]My, my, my. Everything belong to you. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 101[br]00:07:24,019 --> 00:07:28,150[br]This is my family. This is my mother.[br]This is my house. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 102[br]00:07:28,150 --> 00:07:32,494[br]This is my country. This is my passport.[br]This is my birth certificate. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 103[br]00:07:32,494 --> 00:07:35,590[br]All 'my', meaning they belong to you. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 104[br]00:07:35,590 --> 00:07:42,120[br]But can you say, 'This is my my?[br]This is my me?' 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 105[br]00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:48,130[br]You can't say, 'This is my me.' Why? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 106[br]00:07:48,130 --> 00:07:51,070[br]Q1: Because I cannot see this. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 107[br]00:07:51,070 --> 00:07:54,370[br]M: Yes. So because you can't see it, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 108[br]00:07:54,370 --> 00:07:58,250[br]M: does it mean it's not there?[br]Q1: No. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 109[br]00:07:58,250 --> 00:08:00,670[br]M: Right. So there's something in the world, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 110[br]00:08:00,670 --> 00:08:04,980[br]everything you can see,[br]but something you cannot see. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 111[br]00:08:04,980 --> 00:08:08,460[br]Everything you can see,[br]but something you cannot see. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 112[br]00:08:08,460 --> 00:08:14,695[br]And yet you cannot deny [br]that it is real, isn't it? You know you are. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 113[br]00:08:14,695 --> 00:08:17,760[br]Now, I'm going to zoom in a little bit closer 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 114[br]00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:22,109[br]in this feeling that, 'Yes, I know 'I am'.' 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 115[br]00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:28,100[br]This thing which you cannot see, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 116[br]00:08:28,100 --> 00:08:32,350[br]that you say, 'You know it is here.'[br]I mean, it's the first fact. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 117[br]00:08:32,350 --> 00:08:36,710[br]Because if it's not here,[br]nothing else is here, isn't it? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 118[br]00:08:36,710 --> 00:08:41,200[br]But it cannot be seen, yeah? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 119[br]00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,760[br]Okay, so we are back to this point. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 120[br]00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:48,240[br]Everything you can see, everything; 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 121[br]00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:54,600[br]your thoughts, feelings, objects, people, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 122[br]00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,130[br]your feelings, all of these things, you can see. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 123[br]00:08:58,130 --> 00:09:04,640[br]You can even see the quality of your sight,[br]isn't it? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 124[br]00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,900[br]So if you went to the optician and he says, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 125[br]00:09:07,900 --> 00:09:10,960[br]'Could you tell me something, [br]why you come here?' 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 126[br]00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:16,690[br]You said, 'Actually, I'm not able to see [br]or focus on things so well.' 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 127[br]00:09:16,690 --> 00:09:19,220[br]He said, 'In both eyes?' 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 128[br]00:09:19,220 --> 00:09:24,047[br]You say, 'No, no, in the right eye.'[br]'Okay, tell me something.' 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 129[br]00:09:24,047 --> 00:09:29,340[br]You said, 'In the left eye, I can see [br]maybe 80 percent of what it should be, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 130[br]00:09:29,340 --> 00:09:31,900[br]but in the right eye it's like about 50.' 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 131[br]00:09:31,900 --> 00:09:37,993[br]So something must be seeing sight, isn't it? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 132[br]00:09:37,993 --> 00:09:41,410[br]The capacity is there.[br]You don't have to ask anybody. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 133[br]00:09:41,410 --> 00:09:45,740[br]You can see, yeah, something is aware [br]of even the sight 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 134[br]00:09:45,740 --> 00:09:48,760[br]is not functioning well. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 135[br]00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:55,680[br]So something must be behind even the sight. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 136[br]00:09:55,680 --> 00:09:59,880[br]You are also aware of feelings, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 137[br]00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:05,636[br]emotion, sense of time.[br]If somebody said, 'Yesterday something happened.' 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 138[br]00:10:05,636 --> 00:10:09,130[br]You're aware of what that mean.[br]Everything you're aware of. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 139[br]00:10:09,130 --> 00:10:11,540[br]Everything you can see. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 140[br]00:10:11,540 --> 00:10:16,310[br]But your Self, can you see? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 141[br]00:10:16,310 --> 00:10:18,380[br]Why? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 142[br]00:10:19,740 --> 00:10:21,800[br]Your body you can see. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 143[br]00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:25,880[br]Your body you can see.[br]You can see your smile. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 144[br]00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,220[br]You can see your body.[br]You can see everything. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 145[br]00:10:29,220 --> 00:10:36,710[br]But your Self, [br]is seeing your body your Self? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 146[br]00:10:36,710 --> 00:10:39,759[br]Why not? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 147[br]00:10:43,790 --> 00:10:46,993[br]Q1: Because something is aware of—[br]M: Yeah, something is aware. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 148[br]00:10:46,993 --> 00:10:49,560[br]Q1: —of the body.[br]M: Yeah. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 149[br]00:10:49,560 --> 00:10:53,070[br]That something which is aware of the body[br]cannot be seen. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 150[br]00:10:53,070 --> 00:10:56,380[br]M: You're saying, no?[br]Q1: Yeah. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 151[br]00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,270[br]M: Can it be it can see sickness? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 152[br]00:11:01,270 --> 00:11:04,470[br]It can know I'm not feeling well. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 153[br]00:11:04,470 --> 00:11:07,100[br]'I'm not feeling... ' It knows emotion. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 154[br]00:11:07,100 --> 00:11:11,060[br]'I'm feeling a little a bit uncomfortable.' 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 155[br]00:11:11,060 --> 00:11:14,530[br]It sees everything. But itself it cannot see. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 156[br]00:11:14,530 --> 00:11:17,930[br]You're saying? Yeah. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 157[br]00:11:17,930 --> 00:11:23,030[br]Why can it see everything,[br]but it cannot see itself? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 158[br]00:11:26,934 --> 00:11:30,214[br]Q1: This I don't know. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 159[br]00:11:31,590 --> 00:11:33,670[br]M: This which cannot... 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 160[br]00:11:33,670 --> 00:11:38,120[br]You can see everything,[br]but you cannot see your Self. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 161[br]00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,190[br]This which you cannot see, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 162[br]00:11:40,190 --> 00:11:45,640[br]yet you cannot deny, this is your Self. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 163[br]00:11:52,410 --> 00:11:56,150[br]That, everything you can see,[br]your feelings, thoughts, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 164[br]00:11:56,150 --> 00:12:00,710[br]and the function of intellect. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 165[br]00:12:00,710 --> 00:12:02,890[br]Everything you can see. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 166[br]00:12:02,890 --> 00:12:07,160[br]But that which is seeing them,[br]you say, 'I can't see.' 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 167[br]00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:11,590[br]It's sort of, the word 'I' represent this thing, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 168[br]00:12:11,590 --> 00:12:14,520[br]but it cannot be seen. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 169[br]00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,300[br]Everybody, even your mother[br]can come and say, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 170[br]00:12:17,300 --> 00:12:19,460[br]'Darling, it's nice to see you.' 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 171[br]00:12:19,460 --> 00:12:22,880[br]What is the 'you' that she is seeing? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 172[br]00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:24,901[br]Q1: The body.[br]M: The body. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 173[br]00:12:24,901 --> 00:12:29,718[br]And she's seeing her affection,[br]her memory of you. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 174[br]00:12:29,718 --> 00:12:32,310[br]All this she can see puts to become you. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 175[br]00:12:32,310 --> 00:12:35,860[br]'Darling, it's so nice. Where have you been?[br]I haven't seen you for a long time.' 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 176[br]00:12:35,860 --> 00:12:39,496[br]So whatever somebody's saying,[br]'I can see you. It's good to see you. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 177[br]00:12:39,496 --> 00:12:42,570[br]Where have you been? You put on some weight'[br]or 'you lost some weight.' 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 178[br]00:12:42,570 --> 00:12:45,250[br]All of this is to do with what? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 179[br]00:12:45,250 --> 00:12:49,450[br]Q1: Appearance.[br]M: Your form and appearance, okay. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 180[br]00:12:49,450 --> 00:12:52,070[br]So can she see You? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 181[br]00:12:52,070 --> 00:12:56,769[br]Can you see You? Is that scary? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 182[br]00:12:58,740 --> 00:13:04,080[br]Q1: No, it's not scary, but it's so... 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 183[br]00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,920[br]Something is missing or feels like... 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 184[br]00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:11,950[br]M: Okay, take a moment [br]and think about what's missing. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 185[br]00:13:16,390 --> 00:13:20,610[br]You cannot see your True Self. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 186[br]00:13:20,610 --> 00:13:25,460[br]I also cannot see my True Self. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 187[br]00:13:25,460 --> 00:13:31,350[br]Why? Because it's not an object. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 188[br]00:13:31,350 --> 00:13:35,830[br]It's not even a thought. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 189[br]00:13:35,830 --> 00:13:40,510[br]Q1: But you say to stay as this.[br]But... [laughs] 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 190[br]00:13:40,510 --> 00:13:44,890[br]M: Well, okay, okay.[br]Thank you. I say to stay as this. Why? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 191[br]00:13:44,890 --> 00:13:50,880[br]Because, first of all,[br]you imagine something else to be yourself. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 192[br]00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:54,600[br]You call yourself a woman, a daughter,[br]you are from this country, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 193[br]00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:58,350[br]my parents, I'm... Whatever. Like this. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 194[br]00:13:58,350 --> 00:14:04,590[br]So we are used to associating [br]some quality that represent you. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 195[br]00:14:04,590 --> 00:14:09,410[br]But really, you're earlier than this in the purity. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 196[br]00:14:09,410 --> 00:14:12,770[br]The one that is aware that says, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 197[br]00:14:12,770 --> 00:14:16,320[br]you're talking on the phone, 'I'm 27 years old. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 198[br]00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:20,270[br]I've got two children.[br]I'm married. I live in this place.' 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 199[br]00:14:20,270 --> 00:14:25,590[br]That one, is what? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 200[br]00:14:25,590 --> 00:14:27,860[br]Q1: Person.[br]M: Is the person. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 201[br]00:14:27,860 --> 00:14:33,310[br]Is the person and the Self,[br]the True Self, is the same thing? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 202[br]00:14:33,310 --> 00:14:35,320[br]Q1: No. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 203[br]00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:40,779[br]M: Does that bring a feeling of discomfort? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 204[br]00:14:42,870 --> 00:14:47,680[br]No. No. Because there's nothing [br]you have to do to know that. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 205[br]00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:49,880[br]You - something knows. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 206[br]00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,952[br]Yet most people, I would say, in the world,[br]have not even looked like this. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 207[br]00:14:53,952 --> 00:14:56,890[br]They have not even thought about this, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 208[br]00:14:56,890 --> 00:15:00,930[br]because your world starts with your person. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 209[br]00:15:00,930 --> 00:15:03,963[br]If I employ you, I look at you, I interview, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 210[br]00:15:03,963 --> 00:15:07,266[br]I say, Tell me about yourself.[br]You say, 'I studied this in university. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 211[br]00:15:07,266 --> 00:15:11,920[br]I lived in South Africa. For a while I travelled..'[br]Information, information. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 212[br]00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,320[br]Information cannot be You. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 213[br]00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:20,690[br]It's about your person. [br]Which is, what is the person? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 214[br]00:15:22,350 --> 00:15:25,480[br]Q1: This identity is person.[br]M: Yes, yes. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 215[br]00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:29,070[br]Can you see the identity person? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 216[br]00:15:29,070 --> 00:15:32,819[br]Q1: Yeah.[br]M: What it look like? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 217[br]00:15:34,970 --> 00:15:38,820[br]Q1: Some tightness, some attachment— 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 218[br]00:15:38,820 --> 00:15:41,660[br]M: Attachment.[br]Q1: —to ideas. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 219[br]00:15:41,660 --> 00:15:46,370[br]M: Yes. Attachment to some ideas. Okay. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 220[br]00:15:46,370 --> 00:15:50,680[br]But the person is also idea. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 221[br]00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:55,110[br]Q1: This is a problem,[br]because it really feels real. So yeah. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 222[br]00:15:55,110 --> 00:15:59,829[br]M: Because it is the feeling 'I' in you, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 223[br]00:15:59,829 --> 00:16:04,990[br]this 'I', it says,'Yeah, I see', 'I think', [br]'I... da, da, da.' 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 224[br]00:16:04,990 --> 00:16:11,940[br]Who is the 'I' that thinks we're not sure [br]if it's the person or the real Self? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 225[br]00:16:11,940 --> 00:16:16,840[br]'I want'. 'Yes, I know.' 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 226[br]00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:20,410[br]Who is the 'I' that knows? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 227[br]00:16:20,410 --> 00:16:24,100[br]Is it personal or impersonal? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 228[br]00:16:24,100 --> 00:16:28,469[br]Q1: Personal.[br]M: It's personal. Okay, good. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 229[br]00:16:28,469 --> 00:16:33,460[br]What sees it's impersonal? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 230[br]00:16:33,460 --> 00:16:36,850[br]Q1: I don't know what.[br]I know it's something is seeing but... 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 231[br]00:16:36,850 --> 00:16:40,530[br]M: Yes. It's the same answer. [br]You've given the answer already. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 232[br]00:16:40,530 --> 00:16:43,790[br]It cannot be seen. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 233[br]00:16:43,790 --> 00:16:47,640[br]So this is the most important discovery, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 234[br]00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:52,440[br]because until you really realise this [br]and know this, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 235[br]00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:56,230[br]you take yourself to be an object[br]perceiving other object. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 236[br]00:16:56,230 --> 00:17:00,370[br]The object being your person.[br]And it's okay, it's okay. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 237[br]00:17:00,370 --> 00:17:04,470[br]God made it like that, [br]that we would also be projected 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 238[br]00:17:04,470 --> 00:17:07,870[br]into the world of thought [br]and feeling and association 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 239[br]00:17:07,870 --> 00:17:11,110[br]and say, 'This is me,' for a while. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 240[br]00:17:11,110 --> 00:17:16,000[br]But with this 'I' that works as the person, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 241[br]00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:21,320[br]its world and itself is never stable, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 242[br]00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:25,390[br]because it has an identity. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 243[br]00:17:25,390 --> 00:17:30,400[br]Is the identity of the person always stable? [br]No, no. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 244[br]00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:35,820[br]But it tries with everything [br]to try and to share that it is stable. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 245[br]00:17:35,820 --> 00:17:44,420[br]Because stable mean it's wise,[br]it's real, it's dependable, it's consistent. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 246[br]00:17:44,420 --> 00:17:47,210[br]I'm just talking this through. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 247[br]00:17:47,210 --> 00:17:50,780[br]But I'm pointing to a deeper knowing [br]behind this person 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 248[br]00:17:50,780 --> 00:17:56,520[br]that knows the person, that sees the person. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 249[br]00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:00,670[br]That which is aware of the person—[br]you're with me? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 250[br]00:18:00,670 --> 00:18:04,630[br]Is it attached to the person [br]or is the person attached to it? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 251[br]00:18:04,630 --> 00:18:07,740[br]Take a moment. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 252[br]00:18:11,380 --> 00:18:15,960[br]Q1: It is not attached.[br]M: It's not attached. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 253[br]00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,720[br]M: Does it suffer from not being attached? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 254[br]00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:23,910[br]Q1: No. [laughs] 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 255[br]00:18:23,910 --> 00:18:27,617[br]M: But I had to question you[br]for you to recede to that place 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 256[br]00:18:27,617 --> 00:18:31,050[br]to say, 'It's not attached.' 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 257[br]00:18:31,050 --> 00:18:33,710[br]Because where we are functioning normally 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 258[br]00:18:33,710 --> 00:18:37,780[br]is from the identity of the person,[br]which is attached. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 259[br]00:18:37,780 --> 00:18:40,320[br]Which likes and dislikes. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 260[br]00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,560[br]Who wants and don't want. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 261[br]00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:44,730[br]Who thinks this and thinks that. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 262[br]00:18:44,730 --> 00:18:49,720[br]And very much is in the function [br]of perceiving and living, no? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 263[br]00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:54,170[br]So, what I'm sharing is that, that's okay. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 264[br]00:18:54,170 --> 00:19:00,700[br]But if you only are aware of yourself[br]as a person, with its world, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 265[br]00:19:00,700 --> 00:19:05,450[br]you will never be totally happy,[br]because it's not stable. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 266[br]00:19:05,450 --> 00:19:09,457[br]Today, 'Ah, I'm so happy.[br]I'm so... Oh, so wonderful!' 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 267[br]00:19:09,457 --> 00:19:13,500[br]Tomorrow I see you... [imitates struggling] 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 268[br]00:19:13,500 --> 00:19:18,680[br]I say, Mia, what's up?[br]'It's okay, I don't want to talk about it.' 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 269[br]00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:22,200[br]Who is it, who is speaking? Person, no?[br]Q1: Yes. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 270[br]00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:27,740[br]M: What does the Self say?[br]What does the real Self say? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 271[br]00:19:27,740 --> 00:19:30,690[br]Is it important at all? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 272[br]00:19:30,690 --> 00:19:33,860[br]No. Is the self important?[br]Q1: No. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 273[br]00:19:33,860 --> 00:19:35,979[br]M: It's not important.[br]Q1: No. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 274[br]00:19:35,979 --> 00:19:39,980[br]M: So does that mean that it's no good,[br]it's not significant? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 275[br]00:19:39,980 --> 00:19:44,230[br]The self is not important?[br]It's not important? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 276[br]00:19:44,230 --> 00:19:47,940[br]Okay, so what's the purpose of it existing then? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 277[br]00:19:47,940 --> 00:19:50,969[br]If other things after it is important,[br]like the person; 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 278[br]00:19:50,969 --> 00:19:53,930[br]personal identity is important,[br]personal world is important, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 279[br]00:19:53,930 --> 00:19:56,060[br]personal attachment is important. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 280[br]00:19:56,060 --> 00:20:02,500[br]But the one before all of this come,[br]which cannot be removed, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 281[br]00:20:02,500 --> 00:20:06,930[br]can the Self be killed? No. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 282[br]00:20:06,930 --> 00:20:13,870[br]And you say, 'I'm quite liking it, [br]actually, it's not important.' Okay. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 283[br]00:20:16,670 --> 00:20:20,940[br]M: What is important? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 284[br]00:20:20,940 --> 00:20:25,320[br]Q1: I feel this exercise is important to do.[br]M: Yes. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 285[br]00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:30,100[br]Why is it important, the exercise? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 286[br]00:20:33,950 --> 00:20:36,980[br]Q1: To stabilise in this.[br]M: Yeah. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 287[br]00:20:36,980 --> 00:20:41,291[br]Is it the Self, the inmost Self [br]that has to stabilise, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 288[br]00:20:41,291 --> 00:20:44,940[br]or something else has to stabilise?[br]Q1: Something else. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 289[br]00:20:44,940 --> 00:20:47,100[br]M: Right. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 290[br]00:20:47,100 --> 00:20:51,400[br]Why does it need to stabilise,[br]the something else? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 291[br]00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:57,760[br]Q1: Because to not get pulled into identity. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 292[br]00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:04,723[br]M: Yes. What is it that gets pulled into identity?[br]Is it the Self? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 293[br]00:21:04,723 --> 00:21:07,810[br]Q1: Attention.[br]M: Attention. Attention gets pulled. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 294[br]00:21:07,810 --> 00:21:12,000[br]M: So attention is very important.[br]Q1: Yes. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 295[br]00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:16,160[br]M: When the attention gets pulled into identity, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 296[br]00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,700[br]what knows it most deeply; 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 297[br]00:21:18,700 --> 00:21:25,390[br]the attention, the mind, the person, [br]or the inmost Self? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 298[br]00:21:25,390 --> 00:21:28,790[br]Q1: The Self. The inmost Self.[br]M: The Self. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 299[br]00:21:28,790 --> 00:21:32,250[br]Does it suffer?[br]Q1: No. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 300[br]00:21:32,250 --> 00:21:35,050[br]M: No. Still it's important, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 301[br]00:21:35,050 --> 00:21:39,390[br]because every time the attention [br]goes out and forgets itself, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 302[br]00:21:39,390 --> 00:21:43,500[br]it forgets where it comes from.[br]Q1: Yeah. [laughs] 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 303[br]00:21:43,500 --> 00:21:48,010[br]M: Every time the attention goes out,[br]gets involved in its projections, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 304[br]00:21:48,010 --> 00:21:50,640[br]it causes some pain, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 305[br]00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:55,290[br]it creates a kind of a world,[br]it creates emotion, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 306[br]00:21:55,290 --> 00:21:58,730[br]it creates ups and downs, like this, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 307[br]00:21:58,730 --> 00:22:01,620[br]and something is troubled by that. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 308[br]00:22:01,620 --> 00:22:05,063[br]Maybe the person is troubled by that.[br]Q1: Yeah. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 309[br]00:22:05,063 --> 00:22:08,250[br]M: And in our world, [br]everything is due to the person. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 310[br]00:22:08,250 --> 00:22:11,430[br]It's the person that takes [br]another person to court. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 311[br]00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:16,200[br]It's the person that wins or lose.[br]What about the Self? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 312[br]00:22:18,586 --> 00:22:22,110[br]Q1: Nothing. [laughs][br]M: Is it important to know this? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 313[br]00:22:22,110 --> 00:22:24,560[br]Q1: Yeah.[br]M: Yeah. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 314[br]00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:29,470[br]Okay, so when we speak about—[br]I'll come back to your letter now. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 315[br]00:22:29,470 --> 00:22:36,180[br][Reads the letter] You say,[br]'I don't know how to observe with detachment.' 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 316[br]00:22:36,180 --> 00:22:40,930[br]Does the Self need to know [br]how to observe with detachment? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 317[br]00:22:40,930 --> 00:22:45,330[br][Questioner shakes head, no][br]M: Why? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 318[br]00:22:45,330 --> 00:22:50,490[br]Q1: It doesn't need anything.[br]M: It doesn't need anything. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 319[br]00:22:50,490 --> 00:22:54,290[br]Yet everything is known to it. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 320[br]00:22:54,290 --> 00:22:58,024[br]The play of the mind, [br]or da da da da, it knows, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 321[br]00:22:58,024 --> 00:23:03,060[br]but it's not impacted upon.[br]Q1: No. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 322[br]00:23:03,060 --> 00:23:09,660[br]M: There is a link between [br]the sense of the person and the inner Self. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 323[br]00:23:09,660 --> 00:23:14,840[br]When the person, who cannot exist [br]without the inner Self, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 324[br]00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:23,230[br]when it gets into states of confusion and pain, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 325[br]00:23:23,230 --> 00:23:26,930[br]if it doesn't realise its root as the inner Self, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 326[br]00:23:26,930 --> 00:23:29,702[br]it goes floating off and trouble can come. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 327[br]00:23:29,702 --> 00:23:32,530[br]Mental problems can come. Sickness can come. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 328[br]00:23:32,530 --> 00:23:35,240[br]Anger can come. Fear come. Everything come. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 329[br]00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:39,140[br]So it's very important that [br]this personal sense 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 330[br]00:23:39,140 --> 00:23:41,980[br]become aware of its root. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 331[br]00:23:41,980 --> 00:23:48,150[br]Q1: Yes, and when I tried to do this exercise, [br]I cannot come to this. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 332[br]00:23:48,150 --> 00:23:53,280[br]M: Who is doing the exercise?[br]Q1: Yes it's the mind and the person 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 333[br]00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:58,050[br]and the one who wants to stop suffering.[br]M: Right. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 334[br]00:23:58,050 --> 00:24:01,169[br]What knows this? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 335[br]00:24:04,100 --> 00:24:08,590[br]What is aware of this?[br]Is it the person-mind or the inner Self? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 336[br]00:24:08,590 --> 00:24:12,040[br]Q1: The inner Self.[br]M: Yeah. Is the inner Self troubled? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 337[br]00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,270[br]Q1: No. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 338[br]00:24:14,270 --> 00:24:19,070[br]M: Still, the exercise is good,[br]because this is the real yoga. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 339[br]00:24:19,070 --> 00:24:22,370[br]Yoga means the coming together into oneness; 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 340[br]00:24:22,370 --> 00:24:28,586[br]where the sense of the person [br]has to rediscover its root. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 341[br]00:24:28,586 --> 00:24:30,970[br]The person cannot live by itself. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 342[br]00:24:30,970 --> 00:24:37,880[br]Even when it's not aware of the Self,[br]it still comes from the Self. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 343[br]00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:43,380[br]So largely the human expression [br]of the consciousness self 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 344[br]00:24:43,380 --> 00:24:46,810[br]is self-aware as a person. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 345[br]00:24:46,810 --> 00:24:51,310[br]And so it can go for lifetimes,[br]in the human lifetime, living the person, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 346[br]00:24:51,310 --> 00:24:55,232[br]because it's a big world, its dreams,[br]and 'I have to go do this. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 347[br]00:24:55,232 --> 00:25:00,310[br]I like this, I don't like that,' and da da da.[br]Maybe life after life. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 348[br]00:25:00,310 --> 00:25:04,050[br]'This life I love, I love ice cream. [br]I'd die for ice cream.' 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 349[br]00:25:04,050 --> 00:25:08,180[br]Next life, 'I can't stand ice cream.'[br]There's nothing consistent about it. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 350[br]00:25:08,180 --> 00:25:13,330[br]Except that it cannot exist [br]without the real Self, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 351[br]00:25:13,330 --> 00:25:16,330[br]and it has intelligence also. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 352[br]00:25:16,330 --> 00:25:21,810[br]So, when it happens to this personal self, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 353[br]00:25:21,810 --> 00:25:25,458[br]for some reason, [br]it's being attracted to find out, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 354[br]00:25:25,458 --> 00:25:27,850[br]maybe it suffers enough in the world 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 355[br]00:25:27,850 --> 00:25:31,780[br]and it wants to find a solution for it. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 356[br]00:25:31,780 --> 00:25:37,530[br]And the only solid solution [br]is to discover where it comes from, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 357[br]00:25:37,530 --> 00:25:42,610[br]and that where it come from, and itself, are one. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 358[br]00:25:42,610 --> 00:25:44,890[br]That's what the search of life is. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 359[br]00:25:44,890 --> 00:25:49,230[br]Because all the beings who are not aware[br]of this oneness with the Self, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 360[br]00:25:49,230 --> 00:25:54,870[br]all of them suffer. All have problem. You see. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 361[br]00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:59,090[br]So this is the purpose of our satsang, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 362[br]00:25:59,090 --> 00:26:03,700[br]is that the consciousness,[br]in the form of a person, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 363[br]00:26:03,700 --> 00:26:06,000[br]becomes attracted to its root, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 364[br]00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,770[br]and not just attracted [br]to the world in front of it. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 365[br]00:26:09,770 --> 00:26:14,759[br]And so this exercise like detachment,[br]meaning that whatever is going on, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 366[br]00:26:14,759 --> 00:26:19,630[br]to go in the world, to do,[br]the this, and self-image, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 367[br]00:26:19,630 --> 00:26:22,082[br]self-image, self-assessments, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 368[br]00:26:22,082 --> 00:26:29,200[br]all of this is a play of the mind,[br]is mind states. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 369[br]00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:35,860[br]And it has to realise that [br]all states are changeful, okay, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 370[br]00:26:35,860 --> 00:26:41,110[br]and that it can witness them,[br]it can observe them, without being them. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 371[br]00:26:41,110 --> 00:26:46,279[br]In fact, you can only observe something[br]because you're not it, actually. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 372[br]00:26:46,279 --> 00:26:54,260[br]And that there's a capacity [br]even in the person to observe, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 373[br]00:26:54,260 --> 00:26:59,310[br]and in observing them[br]it knows that it's not them. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 374[br]00:26:59,310 --> 00:27:03,900[br]And that characteristic is like its parent. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 375[br]00:27:03,900 --> 00:27:08,264[br]You see, the person, the characteristic[br]of looking and realising that, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 376[br]00:27:08,264 --> 00:27:14,910[br]'Whatever I see is only an impression,[br]a thought, and a feeling, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 377[br]00:27:14,910 --> 00:27:19,220[br]but it's not what I am,'[br]that's called awakening 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 378[br]00:27:19,220 --> 00:27:22,750[br]It's waking up to the fact that nothing out here 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 379[br]00:27:22,750 --> 00:27:25,130[br]comes through the mind or the senses, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 380[br]00:27:25,130 --> 00:27:30,210[br]nothing of there can be fundamental to me.[br]All of it is changing. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 381[br]00:27:30,210 --> 00:27:36,460[br]And even myself as the person [br]who is looking and knowing this, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 382[br]00:27:36,460 --> 00:27:40,603[br]it's like on the verge of this way - world. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 383[br]00:27:40,603 --> 00:27:43,590[br]This way - into the abyss of the Self. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 384[br]00:27:43,590 --> 00:27:46,380[br]Because it has a capacity that when it looks 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 385[br]00:27:46,380 --> 00:27:52,050[br]and is not identified with what it sees [br]or what its experience is, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 386[br]00:27:52,050 --> 00:27:55,880[br]each thing comes, like life is saying,[br]'This thing and this thing.' 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 387[br]00:27:55,880 --> 00:28:00,450[br]And it's saying, 'No, it's not this.[br]It's not this. What I am is not this.' 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 388[br]00:28:00,450 --> 00:28:07,580[br]As you keep doing that, it naturally [br]comes back to its original Self-awareness. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 389[br]00:28:07,580 --> 00:28:10,469[br]And I say, Self-awareness, [br]non-dual Self-awareness, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 390[br]00:28:10,469 --> 00:28:14,220[br]like not one thing, not a divided union, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 391[br]00:28:14,220 --> 00:28:17,970[br]but a harmony comes back into realising, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 392[br]00:28:17,970 --> 00:28:22,100[br]'But here nothing is happening to me.' 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 393[br]00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:25,078[br]When I go into the mind, into identity, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 394[br]00:28:25,078 --> 00:28:27,630[br]then happenings becomes relevant. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 395[br]00:28:27,630 --> 00:28:33,170[br]But if I even can observe [br]and be aware of even my person, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 396[br]00:28:33,170 --> 00:28:37,960[br]which is like my person is like the... 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 397[br]00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:43,370[br]What you call this?[br]The binoculars that sees the world, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 398[br]00:28:43,370 --> 00:28:45,560[br]but the person who sees the world 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 399[br]00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,140[br]is also seen from the place of the Self. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 400[br]00:28:48,140 --> 00:28:54,320[br]When it knows this, it's coming back into[br]conscious harmony. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 401[br]00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,930[br]That's all the thing of detachment is. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 402[br]00:28:56,930 --> 00:29:01,060[br]You don't have to kill anything.[br]It's just understanding. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 403[br]00:29:01,060 --> 00:29:05,240[br]The realisation of the Self [br]is a journey of understanding, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 404[br]00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,860[br]and understanding your misunderstanding. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 405[br]00:29:07,860 --> 00:29:10,689[br]So it's simple. Unless we get it,[br]it might seem, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 406[br]00:29:10,689 --> 00:29:14,490[br]'It's the most complex thing.' Why? [br]Because you're not used to doing it. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 407[br]00:29:14,490 --> 00:29:18,810[br]You're looking—each one is [br]used to looking forward, looking outward. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 408[br]00:29:18,810 --> 00:29:22,500[br]Even sometimes when you think [br]we're looking inward into our mind, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 409[br]00:29:22,500 --> 00:29:25,461[br]it's still outward from the inner Self. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 410[br]00:29:25,461 --> 00:29:28,260[br]Q1: Yeah, and this happens a lot, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 411[br]00:29:28,260 --> 00:29:33,220[br]because I go in, in and then it's the body. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 412[br]00:29:33,220 --> 00:29:36,390[br]I cannot go beyond.[br]M: You're in the body-mind. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 413[br]00:29:36,390 --> 00:29:40,110[br]But something behind that knows this thing. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 414[br]00:29:40,110 --> 00:29:44,680[br]The mind cannot make an ultimate realisation 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 415[br]00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,480[br]without becoming the realisation. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 416[br]00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:53,930[br]The mind or the person [br]cannot come to ultimate realisation 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 417[br]00:29:53,930 --> 00:29:57,410[br]and remain independent of that realisation. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 418[br]00:29:57,410 --> 00:30:04,780[br]The more it becomes aware, [br]the more it finds it is. Not that it has. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 419[br]00:30:04,780 --> 00:30:08,630[br]And this is very significant thing. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 420[br]00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:13,910[br]Nobody can have the realisation[br]and be somebody who has realisation. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 421[br]00:30:13,910 --> 00:30:17,130[br]What it means is that, the idea of yourself 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 422[br]00:30:17,130 --> 00:30:21,350[br]as being only the person,[br]subsides again, and is seen, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 423[br]00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:26,520[br]it is seen as also the most subtle object. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 424[br]00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:31,350[br]This subtle object of a person [br]is behaving like a subject, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 425[br]00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:34,330[br]and that everything in its world is the object. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 426[br]00:30:34,330 --> 00:30:38,440[br]But to the Self, it also is the first object. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 427[br]00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:44,900[br]The first object shines as this feeling 'I',[br]'I am here'. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 428[br]00:30:44,900 --> 00:30:48,870[br]You know, 'Mia!' 'Yeah, I'm here.'[br]What it means, 'I am here'? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 429[br]00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:53,260[br]The reference normally is, 'Look, I'm over here. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 430[br]00:30:53,260 --> 00:30:56,590[br]And this is okay, this is normal, [br]this is the only place 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 431[br]00:30:56,590 --> 00:30:59,160[br]where language can exist, in that way. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 432[br]00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,990[br]The language is for the sense of the person 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 433[br]00:31:01,990 --> 00:31:07,090[br]having relationship with what it likes or dislike. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 434[br]00:31:07,090 --> 00:31:10,070[br]Actually, there's nothing wrong [br]with this, ultimately. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 435[br]00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:12,790[br]Because even as you wake up[br]again to realise that, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 436[br]00:31:12,790 --> 00:31:16,410[br]whatever happens, it's seen from this place. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 437[br]00:31:16,410 --> 00:31:18,810[br]But this place cannot be seen, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 438[br]00:31:18,810 --> 00:31:23,930[br]and that I can only really be this place. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 439[br]00:31:23,930 --> 00:31:27,945[br]Then when you really know this,[br]the dynamic expression of this, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 440[br]00:31:27,945 --> 00:31:31,429[br]which is like of being a person,[br]that can still play, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 441[br]00:31:31,429 --> 00:31:34,890[br]but it won't have that delusion in it. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 442[br]00:31:34,890 --> 00:31:38,820[br]Q1: Yes. This delusion has to go. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 443[br]00:31:38,820 --> 00:31:41,901[br]M: No, it needs to be understood.[br]Q1: Yeah. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 444[br]00:31:41,901 --> 00:31:44,760[br]M: It doesn't go. Why it needs to go? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 445[br]00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,883[br]Because you are combining it with your identity 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 446[br]00:31:47,883 --> 00:31:50,390[br]and it hurts like, 'No, no, no, no.' 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 447[br]00:31:50,390 --> 00:31:53,510[br]But all this now, [br]you're going to see all of this 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 448[br]00:31:53,510 --> 00:31:56,250[br]are constructs of the mind. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 449[br]00:31:56,250 --> 00:32:00,306[br]And the self is just a psychological portrait 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 450[br]00:32:00,306 --> 00:32:03,360[br]of the mind, of the person. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 451[br]00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,820[br]But the inner being, which has no shape,[br]you can't identify and say, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 452[br]00:32:07,820 --> 00:32:11,070[br]'Ah I found the inner being.' [br]You cannot do that. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 453[br]00:32:11,070 --> 00:32:16,160[br]Because anything you can do that with,[br]is an object in the perception. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 454[br]00:32:17,980 --> 00:32:20,160[br]M: You got it, isn't it?[br]Q1: Yes. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 455[br]00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:24,760[br]M: Okay. So okay, so prove your problem.[br]Go on. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 456[br]00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,880[br]You see, you will need to sit with this,[br]more and more. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 457[br]00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,600[br]Because it's like shape shifting.[br]One minute you think you're looking 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 458[br]00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:55,200[br]and the next minute you're involved, invested. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 459[br]00:32:55,200 --> 00:33:02,410[br]Don't get angry about this,[br]because it's been happening for lifetimes. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 460[br]00:33:02,410 --> 00:33:04,680[br]So, let it happen, it's okay. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 461[br]00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,300[br]Just keep seeing, but wait a minute, [br]this can be seen also. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 462[br]00:33:08,300 --> 00:33:13,990[br]The most intimate [br]is also an object of perception. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 463[br]00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:18,430[br]The most intimate, [br]because 'intimate' means at least two. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 464[br]00:33:18,430 --> 00:33:22,350[br]If there's not two, there is no intimate. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 465[br]00:33:28,257 --> 00:33:34,120[br]Can you be confused, 'you', [br]in the light of what I'm sharing? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 466[br]00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,900[br]Q1: No, no.[br]M: Thank you. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 467[br]00:33:36,900 --> 00:33:40,050[br]But you can be aware of confusion.[br]Q1: Yeah. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 468[br]00:33:40,050 --> 00:33:44,520[br]M: If you can be aware of confusion [br]without identifying with confusion, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 469[br]00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,500[br]are you cheating? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 470[br]00:33:47,500 --> 00:33:50,350[br]Q1: No, no. [laughs] 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 471[br]00:33:52,459 --> 00:33:54,969[br]M: Very good. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 472[br]00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:01,620[br]So let's start again from the beginning.[br]What's your problem? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 473[br]00:34:09,700 --> 00:34:16,420[br]Q1: That when I do this exercise,[br]I believe I need to find something. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 474[br]00:34:16,420 --> 00:34:20,873[br]M: 'I' being what? Qualify your status here. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 475[br]00:34:20,873 --> 00:34:22,870[br]Q1: The person. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 476[br]00:34:22,870 --> 00:34:26,090[br]M: When the person do the exercise?[br]Q1: Yeah. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 477[br]00:34:26,090 --> 00:34:31,380[br]M: There's another word for person [br]in this exercise, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 478[br]00:34:31,380 --> 00:34:34,170[br]I would call it, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 479[br]00:34:34,170 --> 00:34:42,900[br]when the personalised intelligence of the truth, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 480[br]00:34:42,900 --> 00:34:48,100[br]when the personal intelligence of God 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 481[br]00:34:48,100 --> 00:34:54,820[br]gets confused with its projections,[br]then it's like it's lost to itself. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 482[br]00:34:54,820 --> 00:34:57,110[br]It's like it's lost to itself. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 483[br]00:34:57,110 --> 00:35:01,980[br]When that loss to itself becomes painful, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 484[br]00:35:01,980 --> 00:35:07,570[br]you're on the brink of awakening.[br]You understand? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 485[br]00:35:07,570 --> 00:35:12,070[br]Because if you're not troubled by it,[br]then you will not go beyond it. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 486[br]00:35:12,070 --> 00:35:17,210[br]Q1: When it's just pain, pain, pain. [laughs] 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 487[br]00:35:17,210 --> 00:35:22,430[br]M: 'No pain, no gain,' they say.[br]You have to... 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 488[br]00:35:22,430 --> 00:35:28,020[br]It's like, in a way, [br]you're giving birth to yourself. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 489[br]00:35:28,020 --> 00:35:35,540[br]Q1: Because I sit and I do,[br]but I feel like there is no result. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 490[br]00:35:35,540 --> 00:35:39,550[br]M: You, again, who is sitting and looking, is what? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 491[br]00:35:39,550 --> 00:35:42,740[br]Q1: The person. [br][laughter] 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 492[br]00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,878[br]M: Does it matter that [br]we are catching it like that? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 493[br]00:35:47,878 --> 00:35:49,980[br]That it's the person doing it, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 494[br]00:35:49,980 --> 00:35:54,320[br]and that what the person cries about today,[br]laughs about another moment, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 495[br]00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,880[br]that it's not consistent. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 496[br]00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:01,100[br]And even if it says, 'Eureka, I found the Self!'[br]Can it be true? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 497[br]00:36:01,100 --> 00:36:03,530[br]Q1: No.[br]M: Why not? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 498[br]00:36:03,530 --> 00:36:06,080[br]Q1: Because it cannot be seen. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 499[br]00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:10,308[br]Q1: And if it lends to some illusion of... 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 500[br]00:36:10,308 --> 00:36:14,620[br]M: So then what's the practice for? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 501[br]00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:22,720[br]Q1: To become aware of all this— 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 502[br]00:36:27,740 --> 00:36:34,170[br]wrong ideas.[br]M: Yeah, that's one way we can put it. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 503[br]00:36:34,170 --> 00:36:36,950[br]Tell me another way we can put it. [br]That's good. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 504[br]00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:41,040[br]I take that, to become aware [br]of all these kind of little— 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 505[br]00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:46,790[br]all these little kind of distortions [br]of understanding, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 506[br]00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:51,020[br]to become aware of them.[br]More subtle than that. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 507[br]00:36:51,020 --> 00:36:56,780[br]By becoming aware of them,[br]you become aware of what? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 508[br]00:36:56,780 --> 00:37:01,720[br]Q1: Of that which is seeing.[br]M: Is seeing, yeah. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 509[br]00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:07,140[br]How can you become...[br]be aware of it phenomenally? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 510[br]00:37:07,140 --> 00:37:09,930[br]Can you become aware of it phenomenally? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 511[br]00:37:09,930 --> 00:37:12,010[br]Q1: No.[br]M: No. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 512[br]00:37:12,010 --> 00:37:15,460[br]So therefore, you become aware of what? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 513[br]00:37:15,460 --> 00:37:20,790[br]Q1: It feels like it's just the moments[br]of this awareness. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 514[br]00:37:20,790 --> 00:37:25,222[br]M: Yeah. It will flicker before, [br]because you're not used to it. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 515[br]00:37:25,222 --> 00:37:27,964[br]The reflex is used to going out and connecting 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 516[br]00:37:27,964 --> 00:37:31,350[br]with objects of projections [br]and perception, used to that. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 517[br]00:37:31,350 --> 00:37:35,230[br]But now I'm asking you to... [br]All this is happening for everyone. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 518[br]00:37:35,230 --> 00:37:38,570[br]And even the one who says,[br]'But this is happening to me, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 519[br]00:37:38,570 --> 00:37:42,230[br]and I find it frustrating!'[br]With where I'm asking you to do, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 520[br]00:37:42,230 --> 00:37:48,050[br]is to see that that also [br]is an aspect of the mind. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 521[br]00:37:48,050 --> 00:37:51,300[br]But all of these aspects, they came originally 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 522[br]00:37:51,300 --> 00:37:55,920[br]from out of this projection forward.[br]Can you see? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 523[br]00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,940[br]Q1: Yeah.[br]M: Yeah. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 524[br]00:37:57,940 --> 00:38:06,466[br]And that the real opportunity [br]is in seeing this. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 525[br]00:38:06,466 --> 00:38:10,200[br]But still something is feeling,[br]'No, but mind is still troubling. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 526[br]00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:15,600[br]Mind is still troubling.'[br]No, don't worry. It's troubling who? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 527[br]00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:20,200[br]Who is the mind troubling? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 528[br]00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,906[br]We can say together after three. One, two, three.[br]Q1: No one. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 529[br]00:38:23,906 --> 00:38:27,420[br]M: The person. Oh, no one![br]Oh, you beat me to it! 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 530[br]00:38:27,420 --> 00:38:31,290[br]It's troubling no one![br]It's troubling no one. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 531[br]00:38:31,290 --> 00:38:35,570[br]That's a better answer than the person.[br][Questioner laughs] 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 532[br]00:38:35,570 --> 00:38:37,630[br]M: You see this?[br]Q1: Yeah. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 533[br]00:38:37,630 --> 00:38:39,760[br]M: Okay. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 534[br]00:38:40,810 --> 00:38:43,830[br]So now what? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 535[br]00:38:47,590 --> 00:38:51,780[br]It's enough or not enough? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 536[br]00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,401[br]Q1: I don't know. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 537[br]00:38:57,401 --> 00:39:02,600[br]M: Who is saying? Who is...[br]Where this answer is coming from? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 538[br]00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,600[br]I can accept it, or I can question it,[br]'I don't know.' 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 539[br]00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:15,150[br]'I'-who don't know? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 540[br]00:39:15,150 --> 00:39:17,770[br]Q1: It's the person.[br]M: It's the person. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 541[br]00:39:17,770 --> 00:39:19,840[br]Q1: Yeah.[br]M: Yeah, sure? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 542[br]00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,377[br]Q1: No. [laughs][br]M: It can be from the person. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 543[br]00:39:23,377 --> 00:39:26,080[br]If you say it's from the person, okay, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 544[br]00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,870[br]then I would say, You give me one more move. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 545[br]00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:34,450[br]But what's aware that it's coming from the person? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 546[br]00:39:34,450 --> 00:39:39,360[br]Q1: Yes. Something feels like it's not satisfied, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 547[br]00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:45,540[br]but I should not go after. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 548[br]00:39:45,540 --> 00:39:49,290[br]M: Yes. This is a powerful seeing, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 549[br]00:39:49,290 --> 00:39:51,830[br]'Something feels not satisfied.' 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 550[br]00:39:51,830 --> 00:39:57,430[br]That which feels not satisfied,[br]it's personal or impersonal? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 551[br]00:39:57,430 --> 00:40:00,750[br]Q1: It's personal.[br]M: Personal. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 552[br]00:40:00,750 --> 00:40:04,220[br]You see, if that gets you each time,[br]like the person goes, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 553[br]00:40:04,220 --> 00:40:09,850[br]'Yeah, I know, Guruji, [br]but, you know, can't get... ' Who's speaking? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 554[br]00:40:09,850 --> 00:40:12,650[br]Q1: Person.[br]M: Yeah. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 555[br]00:40:12,650 --> 00:40:15,330[br]So we will finish on that note? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 556[br]00:40:15,330 --> 00:40:21,810[br]Q1: Uh, person? No. [laughs][br]M: Thank you. Okay. Where? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 557[br]00:40:29,300 --> 00:40:33,730[br]What does finish mean? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 558[br]00:40:33,730 --> 00:40:37,977[br]Q1: Just this conversation.[br]Finish the conversation. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 559[br]00:40:37,977 --> 00:40:43,810[br]M: The conversation can finish [br]in its oral manifestation. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 560[br]00:40:43,810 --> 00:40:46,680[br]It may go to be some kind of little stuff 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 561[br]00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,890[br]in the mind that feels like,[br]'Yeah, I don't know. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 562[br]00:40:49,890 --> 00:40:53,130[br]I had a talk with Mooji,[br]and it was really clear, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 563[br]00:40:53,130 --> 00:40:56,120[br]but now it's not clear.' Is report from? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 564[br]00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,430[br]Q1: The mind.[br]M: From the mind. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 565[br]00:40:58,430 --> 00:41:02,150[br]And it is that ultimate?[br]Q1: No. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 566[br]00:41:02,150 --> 00:41:06,370[br]M: No. What is ultimate? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 567[br]00:41:06,370 --> 00:41:09,640[br]Q1: That which is aware of this. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 568[br]00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,350[br]M: Yes, yes. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 569[br]00:41:12,350 --> 00:41:15,880[br]M: Which is where? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 570[br]00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,880[br]Q1: It's nowhere. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 571[br]00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,310[br]M: Why are you smiling? [br][Questioner laughs] 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 572[br]00:41:28,700 --> 00:41:34,270[br]So, you have a problem? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 573[br]00:41:34,270 --> 00:41:37,630[br]Q1: No. [br][Laughter] 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 574[br]00:41:37,630 --> 00:41:42,870[br]Can you, from this place of answering,[br]ever have a problem? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 575[br]00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:45,719[br]Q1: No. No. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 576[br]00:41:51,110 --> 00:41:56,139[br]M: Are you sad or happy about this? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 577[br]00:41:59,750 --> 00:42:02,759[br]Q1: Nothing.[br]M: Very good. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 578[br]00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,929[br]More subtle than even happy. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 579[br]00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:17,109[br]Yeah. We're good? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 580[br]00:42:19,690 --> 00:42:22,790[br]If you go walking [br]and the mind comes again and says, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 581[br]00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:26,780[br]'I can't remember anything about that. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 582[br]00:42:26,780 --> 00:42:30,697[br]I'm going to try and see if I can [br]get that mood back.' Was it a mood? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 583[br]00:42:30,697 --> 00:42:34,240[br]Q1: No.[br]M: It's not a mood. [laughter] 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 584[br]00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:38,740[br]Can you lose this? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 585[br]00:42:38,740 --> 00:42:40,960[br]Q1: No.[br]M: No. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 586[br]00:42:42,430 --> 00:42:46,489[br]Can you possess this?[br]Q1: No. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 587[br]00:42:49,620 --> 00:42:52,619[br]M: Very good. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 588[br]00:42:56,470 --> 00:42:59,050[br]I'm happy. Very good. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 589[br]00:42:59,050 --> 00:43:02,740[br]So, the rest I don't have to read, no? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 590[br]00:43:02,740 --> 00:43:06,938[br][Reads letter] 'I don't know how to [br]be aware that I am aware. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 591[br]00:43:06,938 --> 00:43:09,030[br][Questioner laughs] 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 592[br]00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:14,900[br]I still see this 'I'-identity as real.[br]Please help, Mia.' 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 593[br]00:43:14,900 --> 00:43:17,040[br]Do we need?[br]Q1: No. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 594[br]00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:21,900[br]M: Very good. Can I keep it?[br]Q1: Yes. I mean, throw it. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 595[br]00:43:21,900 --> 00:43:25,379[br]M: Throw it, keep it.[br]I'm happy you're like this. It's good. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 596[br]00:43:25,379 --> 00:43:31,620[br]Q1: You don't need to keep it.[br]M: Because this, [touches letter] 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 597[br]00:43:31,620 --> 00:43:37,389[br]I call it an auspicious reaching out [br]to clarify something. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 598[br]00:43:37,389 --> 00:43:42,271[br]And to that extent, it's very... 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 599[br]00:43:42,271 --> 00:43:44,830[br]I mean, it's not a game. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 600[br]00:43:44,830 --> 00:43:50,789[br]We can say it is like a game,[br]but it's not a cynical game. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 601[br]00:43:50,789 --> 00:43:57,319[br]It's, you may say, a game or a play or 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 602[br]00:43:57,319 --> 00:44:02,320[br]something that needs to happen 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 603[br]00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:06,530[br]to the human expression of consciousness, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 604[br]00:44:06,530 --> 00:44:11,300[br]when it comes to a stage where [br]its world is not working. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 605[br]00:44:11,300 --> 00:44:14,240[br]And I don't see that as a disaster. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 606[br]00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:18,140[br]I see it as opportunity [br]to look behind the scene. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 607[br]00:44:18,140 --> 00:44:23,150[br]Q1: Yes, yes. I want to take [br]every opportunity to look. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 608[br]00:44:23,150 --> 00:44:27,080[br]M: Okay. Now? Right now? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 609[br]00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,930[br]Q1: Always, yeah, now.[br]M: Yeah. Okay. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 610[br]00:44:30,930 --> 00:44:33,860[br]Do you need to look further now? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 611[br]00:44:33,860 --> 00:44:36,825[br]Q1: I can do, yeah.[br]M: Yeah. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 612[br]00:44:36,825 --> 00:44:40,460[br]M: Yeah. Good.[br]Q1: Yeah, yeah. [laughs] 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 613[br]00:44:40,460 --> 00:44:44,599[br]M: Thank you. Very good. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 614[br]00:44:47,660 --> 00:44:50,396[br]And you don't need to talk [br]to anybody about it. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 615[br]00:44:50,396 --> 00:44:53,706[br]Just you sit with that, and watch. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 616[br]00:44:53,706 --> 00:45:00,790[br]And however tricky the mind can be,[br]you remember, it is secondary. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 617[br]00:45:00,790 --> 00:45:04,100[br]That which is primary, is seeing that. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 618[br]00:45:04,100 --> 00:45:08,090[br]And the mind can come in the form [br]of thought or moods or sensation, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 619[br]00:45:08,090 --> 00:45:10,850[br]it can appear like confusion, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 620[br]00:45:10,850 --> 00:45:16,390[br]it appears as identity, [br]but it's still only appearing. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 621[br]00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:21,680[br]Can the Self appear? No. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 622[br]00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:26,659[br]So it causes the appearing [br]of the mind play and the diversity. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 623[br]00:45:26,659 --> 00:45:32,160[br]But it itself is indescribable actually. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 624[br]00:45:34,510 --> 00:45:38,300[br]So at this point I would say, [br]sit and contemplate that. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 625[br]00:45:38,300 --> 00:45:41,430[br]Yeah. That's all you have to do. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 626[br]00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:47,390[br]You see, it sounds as though from what[br]you write, somebody might think, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 627[br]00:45:47,390 --> 00:45:51,080[br]'Wow, I feel she's in real trouble.'[br]But for me, I think, what a opportunity, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 628[br]00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,800[br]I got to find out from you,[br]we can look together. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 629[br]00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:57,890[br]And it's all in you. It's all you. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 630[br]00:46:02,180 --> 00:46:04,244[br]Very good. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 631[br]00:46:05,474 --> 00:46:08,734[br]Would you like some tea or something?[br]Did you get something or are you okay? 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 632[br]00:46:08,734 --> 00:46:12,800[br]Q1: I think I have some food waiting for me.[br]M: Go and eat the food now, it's cold. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 633[br]00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,220[br]That's the only food [br]that's worth eating cold right now. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 634[br]00:46:16,220 --> 00:46:18,484[br]Q1: It's... 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 635[br]00:46:18,484 --> 00:46:24,030[br]M: Thank you. Wonderful, darling.[br]Thank you, thank you, thank you, 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 636[br]00:46:24,030 --> 00:46:28,430[br]Q1: Thank you so much.[br]M: Yes. See you in a bit. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 637[br]00:46:28,430 --> 00:46:32,470[br]Okay. Okay. [br]Q1: Thank you. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 638[br]00:46:37,580 --> 00:46:40,090[br]M: If you are earnest, then you must do. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 639[br]00:46:40,090 --> 00:46:42,590[br]You can walk the same road. 9:59:59.000,9:59:59.000 640[br]00:46:42,590 --> 00:46:45,819[br]It's fresh every time.[br]