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M: Can I just read it out?
Q1: Yes.
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M: You write, 'Dear Guruji.
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I am too ashamed and afraid to speak to you.
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I don't know how to observe with detachment.
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I don't know how to be aware that I am aware.
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I still see this 'I' identity as real.
Please help me.'
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It's very, very honest thing.
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I wish people would write more like this and say.
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Because some people,
they hold back and they don't say.
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So I appreciate that you can say it,
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because I can kind of have a chance
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to share with you in a simple way.
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[Mooji reads] 'I don't know how to
observe with detachment.'
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Actually, we are observing with detachment
on many things,
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if they don't matter to you, you understand?
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If things don't matter to you,
you still see them,
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but you're not distracted by them.
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Everybody same, same thing.
So that's the first part.
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There is no such thing as
not observing with detachment.
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If suppose everything you see,
every situation you had,
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you had to remember. It's just alive in you.
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We'll be completely crazy.
Nobody can do.
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There is the mechanism
of our true natural state,
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it's working all the time to,
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like you can walk through here,
walk up there,
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you don't have to notice every step.
You don't notice everything.
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You meet a person, 'Hi. Good morning.'
Pass, pass. You don't have to retain that.
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So a natural detachment
is functioning inside us.
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It's already there, detachment.
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If we were not able to detach
and yet we are perceiving,
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we would be in trouble,
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So first of all, know that it's natural
that you meet people—
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it's the things that matter to you
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that you start to become more attached to,
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like it has meaning
and so I have to remember this thing.
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So it's almost like
you take a kind of photograph
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in some kind of way inside,
it's like that matters,
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so then it become important.
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So like this, when you say,
'I don't know how to observe with detachment.'
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If I say, But you're doing it anyway
with many things.
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If I walk through from the front
to the back here,
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and I say to everybody as we're walking through,
Be detached from everything,
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then it becomes a problem,
because it turns it into a strangeness,
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because naturally you're detached from things.
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You come to satsang and I'm teaching you
something much more powerful
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and to bring awareness to something
that's already natural for you.
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But I want it to be natural for you
even with things that matter.
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Q1: Yes, that's my problem.
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M: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's a problem for everybody.
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With things that don't matter, no problem.
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You don't even have to say,
'I'm going to be detached from that.'
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You don't even have to say that.
You don't have to think. You're just senses, eyes, life.
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You meet these things. Nothing.
Just move through them. You retain your peace.
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But about the things that you say matter,
and what makes them matter?
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Let's slow down a bit and say,
what makes some things matter?
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It's an open question for me.
Why do they matter?
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Some
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relationship, some concepts,
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like okay, this is family, this is my job,
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this is my relationship,
and these things matter.
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So if somebody else's relationship
is having problem, it's no problem for you.
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But you have a relationship problem,
it matters for you.
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So what is this thing that I'm talking about -
To observe with detachment.
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It's just a little step further than what I say,
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you walk through,
you're naturally detached anyway.
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What I'm asking about -
learning to observe with detachment,
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is to bring that detachment—
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because whatever you see,
nothing sticks actually. Natural thing.
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But when things matter, your relationship,
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what you want, your work and so on,
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it creates a structure in your mind
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and you have to take care of that.
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So, I'm not going into all of these things.
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I'm saying that,
okay, what is attachment is to...
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I want you to be aware
of a space within you which is
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not changed by whatever is happening around you.
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It's alive. It's not dead, but it's not—
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it's not attached to the outcome
of things so deeply.
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I don't know if I'm putting it right.
I'm trying to find an example.
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Q1: I feel like there is no space.
It's just all mind and identity.
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M: If you are able to see mind,
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you must be looking from
some place that's not mind.
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This is true for everybody.
Just you're not aware that it's like that.
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Actually, what I'm saying is
actually so powerfully true for you
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when you're aware of it.
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And largely, the teachings and the practice
of what we do here
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is to make you more aware of something about you
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that you're not so aware of, for everybody,
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because we're not aware in the place
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that you should be aware of your inmost being.
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You can't see that.
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That's the other thing.
Everything else you can see.
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Every relationship, every object you can see,
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every thought you can remember,
you can think.
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They're all called 'other',
everything you can see.
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But your Self you cannot see.
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M: You get that?
Q1: Yeah.
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M: You can say, 'Oh, this is my body.
This is my ring.
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This is my house. This is my car.'
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My, my, my. This belongs to me.
My, my, my. Everything belong to you.
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This is my family. This is my mother.
This is my house.
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This is my country. This is my passport.
This is my birth certificate.
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All 'my', meaning they belong to you.
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But can you say, 'This is my my?
This is my me?'
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You can't say, 'This is my me.' Why?
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Q1: Because I cannot see this.
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M: Yes. So because you can't see it,
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M: does it mean it's not there?
Q1: No.
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M: Right. So there's something in the world,
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everything you can see,
but something you cannot see.
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Everything you can see,
but something you cannot see.
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And yet you cannot deny
that it is real, isn't it? You know you are.
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Now, I'm going to zoom in a little bit closer
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in this feeling that, 'Yes, I know 'I am'.'
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This thing which you cannot see,
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that you say, 'You know it is here.'
I mean, it's the first fact.
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Because if it's not here,
nothing else is here, isn't it?
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But it cannot be seen, yeah?
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Okay, so we are back to this point.
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Everything you can see, everything;
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your thoughts, feelings, objects, people,
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your feelings, all of these things, you can see.
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You can even see the quality of your sight,
isn't it?
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So if you went to the optician and he says,
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'Could you tell me something,
why you come here?'
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You said, 'Actually, I'm not able to see
or focus on things so well.'
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He said, 'In both eyes?'
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You say, 'No, no, in the right eye.'
'Okay, tell me something.'
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You said, 'In the left eye, I can see
maybe 80 percent of what it should be,
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but in the right eye it's like about 50.'
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So something must be seeing sight, isn't it?
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The capacity is there.
You don't have to ask anybody.
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You can see, yeah, something is aware
of even the sight
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is not functioning well.
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So something must be behind even the sight.
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You are also aware of feelings,
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emotion, sense of time.
If somebody said, 'Yesterday something happened.'
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You're aware of what that mean.
Everything you're aware of.
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Everything you can see.
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But your Self, can you see?
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Why?
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Your body you can see.
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Your body you can see.
You can see your smile.
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You can see your body.
You can see everything.
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But your Self,
is seeing your body your Self?
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Why not?
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Q1: Because something is aware of—
M: Yeah, something is aware.
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Q1: —of the body.
M: Yeah.
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That something which is aware of the body
cannot be seen.
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M: You're saying, no?
Q1: Yeah.
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M: Can it be it can see sickness?
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It can know I'm not feeling well.
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'I'm not feeling... ' It knows emotion.
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'I'm feeling a little a bit uncomfortable.'
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It sees everything. But itself it cannot see.
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You're saying? Yeah.
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Why can it see everything,
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M: This which cannot...
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You can see everything,
but you cannot see your Self.
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This which you cannot see,
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yet you cannot deny, this is your Self.
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That, everything you can see,
your feelings, thoughts,
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and the function of intellect.
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Everything you can see.
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But that which is seeing them,
you say, 'I can't see.'
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It's sort of, the word 'I' represent this thing,
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but it cannot be seen.
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Everybody, even your mother
can come and say,
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'Darling, it's nice to see you.'
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What is the 'you' that she is seeing?
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Q1: The body.
M: The body.
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And she's seeing her affection,
her memory of you.
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All this she can see puts to become you.
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'Darling, it's so nice. Where have you been?
I haven't seen you for a long time.'
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So whatever somebody's saying,
'I can see you. It's good to see you.
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Where have you been? You put on some weight'
or 'you lost some weight.'
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All of this is to do with what?
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Q1: Appearance.
M: Your form and appearance, okay.
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So can she see You?
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Can you see You? Is that scary?
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Q1: No, it's not scary, but it's so...
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Something is missing or feels like...
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M: Okay, take a moment
and think about what's missing.
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You cannot see your True Self.
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I also cannot see my True Self.
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Why? Because it's not an object.
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It's not even a thought.
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Q1: But you say to stay as this.
But... [laughs]
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M: Well, okay, okay.
Thank you. I say to stay as this. Why?
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Because, first of all,
you imagine something else to be yourself.
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You call yourself a woman, a daughter,
you are from this country,
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my parents, I'm... Whatever. Like this.
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So we are used to associating
some quality that represent you.
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But really, you're earlier than this in the purity.
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The one that is aware that says,
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you're talking on the phone, 'I'm 27 years old.
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I've got two children.
I'm married. I live in this place.'
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That one, is what?
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Q1: Person.
M: Is the person.
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Is the person and the Self,
the True Self, is the same thing?
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Q1: No.
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M: Does that bring a feeling of discomfort?
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No. No. Because there's nothing
you have to do to know that.
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You - something knows.
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Yet most people, I would say, in the world,
have not even looked like this.
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They have not even thought about this,
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because your world starts with your person.
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If I employ you, I look at you, I interview,
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I say, Tell me about yourself.
You say, 'I studied this in university.
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I lived in South Africa. For a while I travelled..'
Information, information.
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Information cannot be You.
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It's about your person.
Which is, what is the person?
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Q1: This identity is person.
M: Yes, yes.
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Can you see the identity person?
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Q1: Yeah.
M: What it look like?
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Q1: Some tightness, some attachment—
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M: Attachment.
Q1: —to ideas.
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M: Yes. Attachment to some ideas. Okay.
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But the person is also idea.
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Q1: This is a problem,
because it really feels real. So yeah.
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M: Because it is the feeling 'I' in you,
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this 'I', it says,'Yeah, I see', 'I think',
'I... da, da, da.'
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Who is the 'I' that thinks we're not sure
if it's the person or the real Self?
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'I want'. 'Yes, I know.'
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Who is the 'I' that knows?
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Is it personal or impersonal?
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Q1: Personal.
M: It's personal. Okay, good.
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What sees it's impersonal?
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Q1: I don't know what.
I know it's something is seeing but...
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M: Yes. It's the same answer.
You've given the answer already.
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It cannot be seen.
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So this is the most important discovery,
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because until you really realise this
and know this,
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you take yourself to be an object
perceiving other object.
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The object being your person.
And it's okay, it's okay.
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God made it like that,
that we would also be projected
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into the world of thought
and feeling and association
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and say, 'This is me,' for a while.
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But with this 'I' that works as the person,
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its world and itself is never stable,
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because it has an identity.
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Is the identity of the person always stable?
No, no.
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But it tries with everything
to try and to share that it is stable.
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Because stable mean it's wise,
it's real, it's dependable, it's consistent.
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I'm just talking this through.
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But I'm pointing to a deeper knowing
behind this person
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that knows the person, that sees the person.
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That which is aware of the person—
you're with me?
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Is it attached to the person
or is the person attached to it?
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Take a moment.
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Q1: It is not attached.
M: It's not attached.
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M: Does it suffer from not being attached?
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Q1: No. [laughs]
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M: But I had to question you
for you to recede to that place
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to say, 'It's not attached.'
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Because where we are functioning normally
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is from the identity of the person,
which is attached.
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Which likes and dislikes.
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Who wants and don't want.
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Who thinks this and thinks that.
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And very much is in the function
of perceiving and living, no?
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So, what I'm sharing is that, that's okay.
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But if you only are aware of yourself
as a person, with its world,
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you will never be totally happy,
because it's not stable.
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Today, 'Ah, I'm so happy.
I'm so... Oh, so wonderful!'
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Tomorrow I see you... [imitates struggling]
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I say, Mia, what's up?
'It's okay, I don't want to talk about it.'
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Who is it, who is speaking? Person, no?
Q1: Yes.
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M: What does the Self say?
What does the real Self say?
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Is it important at all?
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No. Is the self important?
Q1: No.
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M: It's not important.
Q1: No.
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M: So does that mean that it's no good,
it's not significant?
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The self is not important?
It's not important?
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Okay, so what's the purpose of it existing then?
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If other things after it is important,
like the person;
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personal identity is important,
personal world is important,
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personal attachment is important.
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But the one before all of this come,
which cannot be removed,
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can the Self be killed? No.
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And you say, 'I'm quite liking it,
actually, it's not important.' Okay.
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M: What is important?
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Q1: I feel this exercise is important to do.
M: Yes.
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Why is it important, the exercise?
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Q1: To stabilise in this.
M: Yeah.
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Is it the Self, the inmost Self
that has to stabilise,
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or something else has to stabilise?
Q1: Something else.
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M: Right.
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Why does it need to stabilise,
the something else?
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Q1: Because to not get pulled into identity.
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M: Yes. What is it that gets pulled into identity?
Is it the Self?
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Q1: Attention.
M: Attention. Attention gets pulled.
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M: So attention is very important.
Q1: Yes.
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M: When the attention gets pulled into identity,
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what knows it most deeply;
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the attention, the mind, the person,
or the inmost Self?
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Q1: The Self. The inmost Self.
M: The Self.
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Does it suffer?
Q1: No.
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M: No. Still it's important,
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because every time the attention
goes out and forgets itself,
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it forgets where it comes from.
Q1: Yeah. [laughs]
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M: Every time the attention goes out,
gets involved in its projections,
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it causes some pain,
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it creates a kind of a world,
it creates emotion,
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it creates ups and downs, like this,
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and something is troubled by that.
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Maybe the person is troubled by that.
Q1: Yeah.
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M: And in our world,
everything is due to the person.
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It's the person that takes
another person to court.
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It's the person that wins or lose.
What about the Self?
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Q1: Nothing. [laughs]
M: Is it important to know this?
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Q1: Yeah.
M: Yeah.
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Okay, so when we speak about—
I'll come back to your letter now.
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[Reads the letter] You say,
'I don't know how to observe with detachment.'
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Does the Self need to know
how to observe with detachment?
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[Questioner shakes head, no]
M: Why?
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Q1: It doesn't need anything.
M: It doesn't need anything.
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Yet everything is known to it.
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The play of the mind,
or da da da da, it knows,
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but it's not impacted upon.
Q1: No.
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M: There is a link between
the sense of the person and the inner Self.
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When the person, who cannot exist
without the inner Self,
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when it gets into states of confusion and pain,
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if it doesn't realise its root as the inner Self,
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it goes floating off and trouble can come.
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Mental problems can come. Sickness can come.
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Anger can come. Fear come. Everything come.
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So it's very important that
this personal sense
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become aware of its root.
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Q1: Yes, and when I tried to do this exercise,
I cannot come to this.
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M: Who is doing the exercise?
Q1: Yes it's the mind and the person
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and the one who wants to stop suffering.
M: Right.
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What knows this?
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What is aware of this?
Is it the person-mind or the inner Self?
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Q1: The inner Self.
M: Yeah. Is the inner Self troubled?
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Q1: No.
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M: Still, the exercise is good,
because this is the real yoga.
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Yoga means the coming together into oneness;
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where the sense of the person
has to rediscover its root.
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The person cannot live by itself.
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Even when it's not aware of the Self,
it still comes from the Self.
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So largely the human expression
of the consciousness self
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is self-aware as a person.
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And so it can go for lifetimes,
in the human lifetime, living the person,
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because it's a big world, its dreams,
and 'I have to go do this.
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I like this, I don't like that,' and da da da.
Maybe life after life.
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'This life I love, I love ice cream.
I'd die for ice cream.'
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Next life, 'I can't stand ice cream.'
There's nothing consistent about it.
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Except that it cannot exist
without the real Self,
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and it has intelligence also.
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So, when it happens to this personal self,
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for some reason,
it's being attracted to find out,
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maybe it suffers enough in the world
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and it wants to find a solution for it.
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And the only solid solution
is to discover where it comes from,
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and that where it come from, and itself, are one.
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That's what the search of life is.
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Because all the beings who are not aware
of this oneness with the Self,
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all of them suffer. All have problem. You see.
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So this is the purpose of our satsang,
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is that the consciousness,
in the form of a person,
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becomes attracted to its root,
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and not just attracted
to the world in front of it.
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And so this exercise like detachment,
meaning that whatever is going on,
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to go in the world, to do,
the this, and self-image,
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self-image, self-assessments,
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all of this is a play of the mind,
is mind states.
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And it has to realise that
all states are changeful, okay,
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and that it can witness them,
it can observe them, without being them.
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In fact, you can only observe something
because you're not it, actually.
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And that there's a capacity
even in the person to observe,
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and in observing them
it knows that it's not them.
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And that characteristic is like its parent.
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You see, the person, the characteristic
of looking and realising that,
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'Whatever I see is only an impression,
a thought, and a feeling,
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but it's not what I am,'
that's called awakening
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378
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It's waking up to the fact that nothing out here
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comes through the mind or the senses,
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nothing of there can be fundamental to me.
All of it is changing.
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And even myself as the person
who is looking and knowing this,
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it's like on the verge of this way - world.
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This way - into the abyss of the Self.
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Because it has a capacity that when it looks
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385
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and is not identified with what it sees
or what its experience is,
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each thing comes, like life is saying,
'This thing and this thing.'
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And it's saying, 'No, it's not this.
It's not this. What I am is not this.'
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As you keep doing that, it naturally
comes back to its original Self-awareness.
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And I say, Self-awareness,
non-dual Self-awareness,
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390
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like not one thing, not a divided union,
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391
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but a harmony comes back into realising,
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392
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'But here nothing is happening to me.'
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393
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When I go into the mind, into identity,
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394
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then happenings becomes relevant.
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395
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But if I even can observe
and be aware of even my person,
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396
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which is like my person is like the...
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397
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What you call this?
The binoculars that sees the world,
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398
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but the person who sees the world
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399
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is also seen from the place of the Self.
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400
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When it knows this, it's coming back into
conscious harmony.
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401
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That's all the thing of detachment is.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
402
00:28:56,930 --> 00:29:01,060
You don't have to kill anything.
It's just understanding.
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403
00:29:01,060 --> 00:29:05,240
The realisation of the Self
is a journey of understanding,
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404
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,860
and understanding your misunderstanding.
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405
00:29:07,860 --> 00:29:10,689
So it's simple. Unless we get it,
it might seem,
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406
00:29:10,689 --> 00:29:14,490
'It's the most complex thing.' Why?
Because you're not used to doing it.
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407
00:29:14,490 --> 00:29:18,810
You're looking—each one is
used to looking forward, looking outward.
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408
00:29:18,810 --> 00:29:22,500
Even sometimes when you think
we're looking inward into our mind,
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409
00:29:22,500 --> 00:29:25,461
it's still outward from the inner Self.
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410
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Q1: Yeah, and this happens a lot,
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411
00:29:28,260 --> 00:29:33,220
because I go in, in and then it's the body.
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412
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I cannot go beyond.
M: You're in the body-mind.
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413
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But something behind that knows this thing.
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414
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The mind cannot make an ultimate realisation
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415
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without becoming the realisation.
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416
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:53,930
The mind or the person
cannot come to ultimate realisation
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417
00:29:53,930 --> 00:29:57,410
and remain independent of that realisation.
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418
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The more it becomes aware,
the more it finds it is. Not that it has.
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419
00:30:04,780 --> 00:30:08,630
And this is very significant thing.
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420
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Nobody can have the realisation
and be somebody who has realisation.
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421
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What it means is that, the idea of yourself
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422
00:30:17,130 --> 00:30:21,350
as being only the person,
subsides again, and is seen,
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423
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:26,520
it is seen as also the most subtle object.
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424
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This subtle object of a person
is behaving like a subject,
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425
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:34,330
and that everything in its world is the object.
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426
00:30:34,330 --> 00:30:38,440
But to the Self, it also is the first object.
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427
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:44,900
The first object shines as this feeling 'I',
'I am here'.
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428
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You know, 'Mia!' 'Yeah, I'm here.'
What it means, 'I am here'?
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429
00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:53,260
The reference normally is, 'Look, I'm over here.
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430
00:30:53,260 --> 00:30:56,590
And this is okay, this is normal,
this is the only place
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
431
00:30:56,590 --> 00:30:59,160
where language can exist, in that way.
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432
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,990
The language is for the sense of the person
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433
00:31:01,990 --> 00:31:07,090
having relationship with what it likes or dislike.
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434
00:31:07,090 --> 00:31:10,070
Actually, there's nothing wrong
with this, ultimately.
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435
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:12,790
Because even as you wake up
again to realise that,
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436
00:31:12,790 --> 00:31:16,410
whatever happens, it's seen from this place.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
437
00:31:16,410 --> 00:31:18,810
But this place cannot be seen,
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438
00:31:18,810 --> 00:31:23,930
and that I can only really be this place.
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439
00:31:23,930 --> 00:31:27,945
Then when you really know this,
the dynamic expression of this,
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440
00:31:27,945 --> 00:31:31,429
which is like of being a person,
that can still play,
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
441
00:31:31,429 --> 00:31:34,890
but it won't have that delusion in it.
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442
00:31:34,890 --> 00:31:38,820
Q1: Yes. This delusion has to go.
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443
00:31:38,820 --> 00:31:41,901
M: No, it needs to be understood.
Q1: Yeah.
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444
00:31:41,901 --> 00:31:44,760
M: It doesn't go. Why it needs to go?
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445
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,883
Because you are combining it with your identity
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
446
00:31:47,883 --> 00:31:50,390
and it hurts like, 'No, no, no, no.'
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
447
00:31:50,390 --> 00:31:53,510
But all this now,
you're going to see all of this
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448
00:31:53,510 --> 00:31:56,250
are constructs of the mind.
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449
00:31:56,250 --> 00:32:00,306
And the self is just a psychological portrait
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
450
00:32:00,306 --> 00:32:03,360
of the mind, of the person.
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451
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,820
But the inner being, which has no shape,
you can't identify and say,
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
452
00:32:07,820 --> 00:32:11,070
'Ah I found the inner being.'
You cannot do that.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
453
00:32:11,070 --> 00:32:16,160
Because anything you can do that with,
is an object in the perception.
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454
00:32:17,980 --> 00:32:20,160
M: You got it, isn't it?
Q1: Yes.
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455
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:24,760
M: Okay. So okay, so prove your problem.
Go on.
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456
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,880
You see, you will need to sit with this,
more and more.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
457
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,600
Because it's like shape shifting.
One minute you think you're looking
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458
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:55,200
and the next minute you're involved, invested.
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459
00:32:55,200 --> 00:33:02,410
Don't get angry about this,
because it's been happening for lifetimes.
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460
00:33:02,410 --> 00:33:04,680
So, let it happen, it's okay.
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461
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,300
Just keep seeing, but wait a minute,
this can be seen also.
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462
00:33:08,300 --> 00:33:13,990
The most intimate
is also an object of perception.
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463
00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:18,430
The most intimate,
because 'intimate' means at least two.
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464
00:33:18,430 --> 00:33:22,350
If there's not two, there is no intimate.
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465
00:33:28,257 --> 00:33:34,120
Can you be confused, 'you',
in the light of what I'm sharing?
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466
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,900
Q1: No, no.
M: Thank you.
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467
00:33:36,900 --> 00:33:40,050
But you can be aware of confusion.
Q1: Yeah.
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468
00:33:40,050 --> 00:33:44,520
M: If you can be aware of confusion
without identifying with confusion,
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469
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,500
are you cheating?
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470
00:33:47,500 --> 00:33:50,350
Q1: No, no. [laughs]
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
471
00:33:52,459 --> 00:33:54,969
M: Very good.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
472
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:01,620
So let's start again from the beginning.
What's your problem?
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
473
00:34:09,700 --> 00:34:16,420
Q1: That when I do this exercise,
I believe I need to find something.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
474
00:34:16,420 --> 00:34:20,873
M: 'I' being what? Qualify your status here.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
475
00:34:20,873 --> 00:34:22,870
Q1: The person.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
476
00:34:22,870 --> 00:34:26,090
M: When the person do the exercise?
Q1: Yeah.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
477
00:34:26,090 --> 00:34:31,380
M: There's another word for person
in this exercise,
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
478
00:34:31,380 --> 00:34:34,170
I would call it,
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
479
00:34:34,170 --> 00:34:42,900
when the personalised intelligence of the truth,
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
480
00:34:42,900 --> 00:34:48,100
when the personal intelligence of God
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
481
00:34:48,100 --> 00:34:54,820
gets confused with its projections,
then it's like it's lost to itself.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
482
00:34:54,820 --> 00:34:57,110
It's like it's lost to itself.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
483
00:34:57,110 --> 00:35:01,980
When that loss to itself becomes painful,
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
484
00:35:01,980 --> 00:35:07,570
you're on the brink of awakening.
You understand?
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
485
00:35:07,570 --> 00:35:12,070
Because if you're not troubled by it,
then you will not go beyond it.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
486
00:35:12,070 --> 00:35:17,210
Q1: When it's just pain, pain, pain. [laughs]
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
487
00:35:17,210 --> 00:35:22,430
M: 'No pain, no gain,' they say.
You have to...
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
488
00:35:22,430 --> 00:35:28,020
It's like, in a way,
you're giving birth to yourself.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
489
00:35:28,020 --> 00:35:35,540
Q1: Because I sit and I do,
but I feel like there is no result.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
490
00:35:35,540 --> 00:35:39,550
M: You, again, who is sitting and looking, is what?
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
491
00:35:39,550 --> 00:35:42,740
Q1: The person.
[laughter]
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
492
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,878
M: Does it matter that
we are catching it like that?
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
493
00:35:47,878 --> 00:35:49,980
That it's the person doing it,
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
494
00:35:49,980 --> 00:35:54,320
and that what the person cries about today,
laughs about another moment,
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
495
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,880
that it's not consistent.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
496
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:01,100
And even if it says, 'Eureka, I found the Self!'
Can it be true?
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
497
00:36:01,100 --> 00:36:03,530
Q1: No.
M: Why not?
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
498
00:36:03,530 --> 00:36:06,080
Q1: Because it cannot be seen.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
499
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:10,308
Q1: And if it lends to some illusion of...
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
500
00:36:10,308 --> 00:36:14,620
M: So then what's the practice for?
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
501
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:22,720
Q1: To become aware of all this—
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
502
00:36:27,740 --> 00:36:34,170
wrong ideas.
M: Yeah, that's one way we can put it.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
503
00:36:34,170 --> 00:36:36,950
Tell me another way we can put it.
That's good.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
504
00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:41,040
I take that, to become aware
of all these kind of little—
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
505
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:46,790
all these little kind of distortions
of understanding,
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
506
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:51,020
to become aware of them.
More subtle than that.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
507
00:36:51,020 --> 00:36:56,780
By becoming aware of them,
you become aware of what?
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
508
00:36:56,780 --> 00:37:01,720
Q1: Of that which is seeing.
M: Is seeing, yeah.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
509
00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:07,140
How can you become...
be aware of it phenomenally?
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
510
00:37:07,140 --> 00:37:09,930
Can you become aware of it phenomenally?
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
511
00:37:09,930 --> 00:37:12,010
Q1: No.
M: No.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
512
00:37:12,010 --> 00:37:15,460
So therefore, you become aware of what?
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
513
00:37:15,460 --> 00:37:20,790
Q1: It feels like it's just the moments
of this awareness.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
514
00:37:20,790 --> 00:37:25,222
M: Yeah. It will flicker before,
because you're not used to it.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
515
00:37:25,222 --> 00:37:27,964
The reflex is used to going out and connecting
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
516
00:37:27,964 --> 00:37:31,350
with objects of projections
and perception, used to that.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
517
00:37:31,350 --> 00:37:35,230
But now I'm asking you to...
All this is happening for everyone.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
518
00:37:35,230 --> 00:37:38,570
And even the one who says,
'But this is happening to me,
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
519
00:37:38,570 --> 00:37:42,230
and I find it frustrating!'
With where I'm asking you to do,
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
520
00:37:42,230 --> 00:37:48,050
is to see that that also
is an aspect of the mind.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
521
00:37:48,050 --> 00:37:51,300
But all of these aspects, they came originally
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
522
00:37:51,300 --> 00:37:55,920
from out of this projection forward.
Can you see?
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
523
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,940
Q1: Yeah.
M: Yeah.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
524
00:37:57,940 --> 00:38:06,466
And that the real opportunity
is in seeing this.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
525
00:38:06,466 --> 00:38:10,200
But still something is feeling,
'No, but mind is still troubling.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
526
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:15,600
Mind is still troubling.'
No, don't worry. It's troubling who?
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
527
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:20,200
Who is the mind troubling?
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
528
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,906
We can say together after three. One, two, three.
Q1: No one.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
529
00:38:23,906 --> 00:38:27,420
M: The person. Oh, no one!
Oh, you beat me to it!
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
530
00:38:27,420 --> 00:38:31,290
It's troubling no one!
It's troubling no one.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
531
00:38:31,290 --> 00:38:35,570
That's a better answer than the person.
[Questioner laughs]
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
532
00:38:35,570 --> 00:38:37,630
M: You see this?
Q1: Yeah.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
533
00:38:37,630 --> 00:38:39,760
M: Okay.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
534
00:38:40,810 --> 00:38:43,830
So now what?
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
535
00:38:47,590 --> 00:38:51,780
It's enough or not enough?
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
536
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,401
Q1: I don't know.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
537
00:38:57,401 --> 00:39:02,600
M: Who is saying? Who is...
Where this answer is coming from?
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
538
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,600
I can accept it, or I can question it,
'I don't know.'
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
539
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:15,150
'I'-who don't know?
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
540
00:39:15,150 --> 00:39:17,770
Q1: It's the person.
M: It's the person.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
541
00:39:17,770 --> 00:39:19,840
Q1: Yeah.
M: Yeah, sure?
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
542
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,377
Q1: No. [laughs]
M: It can be from the person.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
543
00:39:23,377 --> 00:39:26,080
If you say it's from the person, okay,
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
544
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,870
then I would say, You give me one more move.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
545
00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:34,450
But what's aware that it's coming from the person?
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
546
00:39:34,450 --> 00:39:39,360
Q1: Yes. Something feels like it's not satisfied,
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
547
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:45,540
but I should not go after.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
548
00:39:45,540 --> 00:39:49,290
M: Yes. This is a powerful seeing,
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
549
00:39:49,290 --> 00:39:51,830
'Something feels not satisfied.'
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
550
00:39:51,830 --> 00:39:57,430
That which feels not satisfied,
it's personal or impersonal?
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
551
00:39:57,430 --> 00:40:00,750
Q1: It's personal.
M: Personal.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
552
00:40:00,750 --> 00:40:04,220
You see, if that gets you each time,
like the person goes,
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
553
00:40:04,220 --> 00:40:09,850
'Yeah, I know, Guruji,
but, you know, can't get... ' Who's speaking?
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
554
00:40:09,850 --> 00:40:12,650
Q1: Person.
M: Yeah.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
555
00:40:12,650 --> 00:40:15,330
So we will finish on that note?
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
556
00:40:15,330 --> 00:40:21,810
Q1: Uh, person? No. [laughs]
M: Thank you. Okay. Where?
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
557
00:40:29,300 --> 00:40:33,730
What does finish mean?
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
558
00:40:33,730 --> 00:40:37,977
Q1: Just this conversation.
Finish the conversation.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
559
00:40:37,977 --> 00:40:43,810
M: The conversation can finish
in its oral manifestation.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
560
00:40:43,810 --> 00:40:46,680
It may go to be some kind of little stuff
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
561
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,890
in the mind that feels like,
'Yeah, I don't know.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
562
00:40:49,890 --> 00:40:53,130
I had a talk with Mooji,
and it was really clear,
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
563
00:40:53,130 --> 00:40:56,120
but now it's not clear.' Is report from?
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
564
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,430
Q1: The mind.
M: From the mind.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
565
00:40:58,430 --> 00:41:02,150
And it is that ultimate?
Q1: No.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
566
00:41:02,150 --> 00:41:06,370
M: No. What is ultimate?
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
567
00:41:06,370 --> 00:41:09,640
Q1: That which is aware of this.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
568
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,350
M: Yes, yes.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
569
00:41:12,350 --> 00:41:15,880
M: Which is where?
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
570
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,880
Q1: It's nowhere.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
571
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,310
M: Why are you smiling?
[Questioner laughs]
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
572
00:41:28,700 --> 00:41:34,270
So, you have a problem?
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
573
00:41:34,270 --> 00:41:37,630
Q1: No.
[Laughter]
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
574
00:41:37,630 --> 00:41:42,870
Can you, from this place of answering,
ever have a problem?
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
575
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:45,719
Q1: No. No.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
576
00:41:51,110 --> 00:41:56,139
M: Are you sad or happy about this?
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
577
00:41:59,750 --> 00:42:02,759
Q1: Nothing.
M: Very good.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
578
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,929
More subtle than even happy.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
579
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:17,109
Yeah. We're good?
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
580
00:42:19,690 --> 00:42:22,790
If you go walking
and the mind comes again and says,
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
581
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:26,780
'I can't remember anything about that.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
582
00:42:26,780 --> 00:42:30,697
I'm going to try and see if I can
get that mood back.' Was it a mood?
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
583
00:42:30,697 --> 00:42:34,240
Q1: No.
M: It's not a mood. [laughter]
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
584
00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:38,740
Can you lose this?
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
585
00:42:38,740 --> 00:42:40,960
Q1: No.
M: No.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
586
00:42:42,430 --> 00:42:46,489
Can you possess this?
Q1: No.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
587
00:42:49,620 --> 00:42:52,619
M: Very good.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
588
00:42:56,470 --> 00:42:59,050
I'm happy. Very good.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
589
00:42:59,050 --> 00:43:02,740
So, the rest I don't have to read, no?
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
590
00:43:02,740 --> 00:43:06,938
[Reads letter] 'I don't know how to
be aware that I am aware.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
591
00:43:06,938 --> 00:43:09,030
[Questioner laughs]
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
592
00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:14,900
I still see this 'I'-identity as real.
Please help, Mia.'
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
593
00:43:14,900 --> 00:43:17,040
Do we need?
Q1: No.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
594
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:21,900
M: Very good. Can I keep it?
Q1: Yes. I mean, throw it.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
595
00:43:21,900 --> 00:43:25,379
M: Throw it, keep it.
I'm happy you're like this. It's good.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
596
00:43:25,379 --> 00:43:31,620
Q1: You don't need to keep it.
M: Because this, [touches letter]
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
597
00:43:31,620 --> 00:43:37,389
I call it an auspicious reaching out
to clarify something.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
598
00:43:37,389 --> 00:43:42,271
And to that extent, it's very...
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
599
00:43:42,271 --> 00:43:44,830
I mean, it's not a game.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
600
00:43:44,830 --> 00:43:50,789
We can say it is like a game,
but it's not a cynical game.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
601
00:43:50,789 --> 00:43:57,319
It's, you may say, a game or a play or
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
602
00:43:57,319 --> 00:44:02,320
something that needs to happen
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
603
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:06,530
to the human expression of consciousness,
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
604
00:44:06,530 --> 00:44:11,300
when it comes to a stage where
its world is not working.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
605
00:44:11,300 --> 00:44:14,240
And I don't see that as a disaster.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
606
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:18,140
I see it as opportunity
to look behind the scene.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
607
00:44:18,140 --> 00:44:23,150
Q1: Yes, yes. I want to take
every opportunity to look.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
608
00:44:23,150 --> 00:44:27,080
M: Okay. Now? Right now?
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
609
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,930
Q1: Always, yeah, now.
M: Yeah. Okay.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
610
00:44:30,930 --> 00:44:33,860
Do you need to look further now?
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
611
00:44:33,860 --> 00:44:36,825
Q1: I can do, yeah.
M: Yeah.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
612
00:44:36,825 --> 00:44:40,460
M: Yeah. Good.
Q1: Yeah, yeah. [laughs]
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
613
00:44:40,460 --> 00:44:44,599
M: Thank you. Very good.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
614
00:44:47,660 --> 00:44:50,396
And you don't need to talk
to anybody about it.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
615
00:44:50,396 --> 00:44:53,706
Just you sit with that, and watch.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
616
00:44:53,706 --> 00:45:00,790
And however tricky the mind can be,
you remember, it is secondary.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
617
00:45:00,790 --> 00:45:04,100
That which is primary, is seeing that.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
618
00:45:04,100 --> 00:45:08,090
And the mind can come in the form
of thought or moods or sensation,
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
619
00:45:08,090 --> 00:45:10,850
it can appear like confusion,
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
620
00:45:10,850 --> 00:45:16,390
it appears as identity,
but it's still only appearing.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
621
00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:21,680
Can the Self appear? No.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
622
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:26,659
So it causes the appearing
of the mind play and the diversity.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
623
00:45:26,659 --> 00:45:32,160
But it itself is indescribable actually.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
624
00:45:34,510 --> 00:45:38,300
So at this point I would say,
sit and contemplate that.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
625
00:45:38,300 --> 00:45:41,430
Yeah. That's all you have to do.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
626
00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:47,390
You see, it sounds as though from what
you write, somebody might think,
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
627
00:45:47,390 --> 00:45:51,080
'Wow, I feel she's in real trouble.'
But for me, I think, what a opportunity,
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
628
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,800
I got to find out from you,
we can look together.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
629
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:57,890
And it's all in you. It's all you.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
630
00:46:02,180 --> 00:46:04,244
Very good.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
631
00:46:05,474 --> 00:46:08,734
Would you like some tea or something?
Did you get something or are you okay?
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
632
00:46:08,734 --> 00:46:12,800
Q1: I think I have some food waiting for me.
M: Go and eat the food now, it's cold.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
633
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,220
That's the only food
that's worth eating cold right now.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
634
00:46:16,220 --> 00:46:18,484
Q1: It's...
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
635
00:46:18,484 --> 00:46:24,030
M: Thank you. Wonderful, darling.
Thank you, thank you, thank you,
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
636
00:46:24,030 --> 00:46:28,430
Q1: Thank you so much.
M: Yes. See you in a bit.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
637
00:46:28,430 --> 00:46:32,470
Okay. Okay.
Q1: Thank you.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
638
00:46:37,580 --> 00:46:40,090
M: If you are earnest, then you must do.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
639
00:46:40,090 --> 00:46:42,590
You can walk the same road.
99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999
640
00:46:42,590 --> 00:46:45,819
It's fresh every time.