1 00:00:18,340 --> 00:00:21,251 M: Can I just read it out? Q1: Yes.
2 00:00:21,251 --> 00:00:23,360 M: You write, 'Dear Guruji.
3 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:27,470 I am too ashamed and afraid to speak to you.
4 00:00:27,470 --> 00:00:31,880 I don't know how to observe with detachment.
5 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:35,520 I don't know how to be aware that I am aware.
6 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:40,100 I still see this 'I' identity as real. Please help me.'
7 00:00:40,100 --> 00:00:42,880 It's very, very honest thing.
8 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,706 I wish people would write more like this and say.
9 00:00:45,706 --> 00:00:49,390 Because some people, they hold back and they don't say.
10 00:00:49,390 --> 00:00:51,660 So I appreciate that you can say it,
11 00:00:51,660 --> 00:00:54,640 because I can kind of have a chance
12 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,710 to share with you in a simple way.
13 00:00:59,470 --> 00:01:04,940 [Mooji reads] 'I don't know how to observe with detachment.'
14 00:01:07,460 --> 00:01:12,490 Actually, we are observing with detachment on many things,
15 00:01:12,490 --> 00:01:16,373 if they don't matter to you, you understand?
16 00:01:16,373 --> 00:01:19,330 If things don't matter to you, you still see them,
17 00:01:19,330 --> 00:01:21,840 but you're not distracted by them.
18 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,610 Everybody same, same thing. So that's the first part.
19 00:01:25,610 --> 00:01:28,970 There is no such thing as not observing with detachment.
20 00:01:28,970 --> 00:01:33,940 If suppose everything you see, every situation you had,
21 00:01:33,940 --> 00:01:36,820 you had to remember. It's just alive in you.
22 00:01:36,820 --> 00:01:40,070 We'll be completely crazy. Nobody can do.
23 00:01:40,070 --> 00:01:46,460 There is the mechanism of our true natural state,
24 00:01:46,460 --> 00:01:50,000 it's working all the time to,
25 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,880 like you can walk through here, walk up there,
26 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:56,200 you don't have to notice every step. You don't notice everything.
27 00:01:56,200 --> 00:02:01,070 You meet a person, 'Hi. Good morning.' Pass, pass. You don't have to retain that.
28 00:02:01,070 --> 00:02:07,949 So a natural detachment is functioning inside us.
29 00:02:10,980 --> 00:02:15,260 It's already there, detachment.
30 00:02:15,260 --> 00:02:19,890 If we were not able to detach and yet we are perceiving,
31 00:02:19,890 --> 00:02:22,940 we would be in trouble,
32 00:02:22,940 --> 00:02:30,330 So first of all, know that it's natural that you meet people—
33 00:02:30,330 --> 00:02:34,830 it's the things that matter to you
34 00:02:34,830 --> 00:02:39,290 that you start to become more attached to,
35 00:02:39,290 --> 00:02:42,610 like it has meaning and so I have to remember this thing.
36 00:02:42,610 --> 00:02:47,096 So it's almost like you take a kind of photograph
37 00:02:47,096 --> 00:02:49,990 in some kind of way inside, it's like that matters,
38 00:02:49,990 --> 00:02:52,110 so then it become important.
39 00:02:52,110 --> 00:02:57,680 So like this, when you say, 'I don't know how to observe with detachment.'
40 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:05,570 If I say, But you're doing it anyway with many things.
41 00:03:05,570 --> 00:03:08,340 If I walk through from the front to the back here,
42 00:03:08,340 --> 00:03:12,960 and I say to everybody as we're walking through, Be detached from everything,
43 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:17,340 then it becomes a problem, because it turns it into a strangeness,
44 00:03:17,340 --> 00:03:20,210 because naturally you're detached from things.
45 00:03:20,210 --> 00:03:25,250 You come to satsang and I'm teaching you something much more powerful
46 00:03:25,250 --> 00:03:30,280 and to bring awareness to something that's already natural for you.
47 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:36,820 But I want it to be natural for you even with things that matter.
48 00:03:36,820 --> 00:03:39,080 Q1: Yes, that's my problem.
49 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:44,930 M: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a problem for everybody.
50 00:03:44,930 --> 00:03:47,640 With things that don't matter, no problem.
51 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,040 You don't even have to say, 'I'm going to be detached from that.'
52 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:56,360 You don't even have to say that. You don't have to think. You're just senses, eyes, life.
53 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:00,960 You meet these things. Nothing. Just move through them. You retain your peace.
54 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:05,700 But about the things that you say matter, and what makes them matter?
55 00:04:05,700 --> 00:04:10,440 Let's slow down a bit and say, what makes some things matter?
56 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:17,510 It's an open question for me. Why do they matter?
57 00:04:17,510 --> 00:04:19,870 Some
58 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,598 relationship, some concepts,
59 00:04:23,598 --> 00:04:26,910 like okay, this is family, this is my job,
60 00:04:26,910 --> 00:04:30,270 this is my relationship, and these things matter.
61 00:04:30,270 --> 00:04:34,700 So if somebody else's relationship is having problem, it's no problem for you.
62 00:04:34,700 --> 00:04:38,260 But you have a relationship problem, it matters for you.
63 00:04:38,260 --> 00:04:43,980 So what is this thing that I'm talking about - To observe with detachment.
64 00:04:43,980 --> 00:04:47,830 It's just a little step further than what I say,
65 00:04:47,830 --> 00:04:49,720 you walk through, you're naturally detached anyway.
66 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:54,440 What I'm asking about - learning to observe with detachment,
67 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:58,740 is to bring that detachment—
68 00:04:58,740 --> 00:05:04,235 because whatever you see, nothing sticks actually. Natural thing.
69 00:05:04,235 --> 00:05:08,730 But when things matter, your relationship,
70 00:05:08,730 --> 00:05:11,947 what you want, your work and so on,
71 00:05:11,947 --> 00:05:15,750 it creates a structure in your mind
72 00:05:15,750 --> 00:05:19,740 and you have to take care of that.
73 00:05:19,740 --> 00:05:22,770 So, I'm not going into all of these things.
74 00:05:22,770 --> 00:05:28,459 I'm saying that, okay, what is attachment is to...
75 00:05:30,590 --> 00:05:39,660 I want you to be aware of a space within you which is
76 00:05:42,290 --> 00:05:45,860 not changed by whatever is happening around you.
77 00:05:45,860 --> 00:05:50,640 It's alive. It's not dead, but it's not—
78 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:57,720 it's not attached to the outcome of things so deeply.
79 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:02,550 I don't know if I'm putting it right. I'm trying to find an example.
80 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:10,468 Q1: I feel like there is no space. It's just all mind and identity.
81 00:06:10,468 --> 00:06:12,810 M: If you are able to see mind,
82 00:06:12,810 --> 00:06:16,560 you must be looking from some place that's not mind.
83 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:21,170 This is true for everybody. Just you're not aware that it's like that.
84 00:06:21,170 --> 00:06:25,850 Actually, what I'm saying is actually so powerfully true for you
85 00:06:25,850 --> 00:06:28,260 when you're aware of it.
86 00:06:28,260 --> 00:06:35,610 And largely, the teachings and the practice of what we do here
87 00:06:35,610 --> 00:06:38,880 is to make you more aware of something about you
88 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,740 that you're not so aware of, for everybody,
89 00:06:41,740 --> 00:06:44,009 because we're not aware in the place
90 00:06:44,009 --> 00:06:48,330 that you should be aware of your inmost being.
91 00:06:48,330 --> 00:06:51,200 You can't see that.
92 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,740 That's the other thing. Everything else you can see.
93 00:06:54,740 --> 00:06:58,040 Every relationship, every object you can see,
94 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,780 every thought you can remember, you can think.
95 00:07:00,780 --> 00:07:06,180 They're all called 'other', everything you can see.
96 00:07:06,180 --> 00:07:08,570 But your Self you cannot see.
97 00:07:08,570 --> 00:07:10,570 M: You get that? Q1: Yeah.
98 00:07:10,570 --> 00:07:15,370 M: You can say, 'Oh, this is my body. This is my ring.
99 00:07:15,370 --> 00:07:17,700 This is my house. This is my car.'
100 00:07:17,700 --> 00:07:24,019 My, my, my. This belongs to me. My, my, my. Everything belong to you.
101 00:07:24,019 --> 00:07:28,150 This is my family. This is my mother. This is my house.
102 00:07:28,150 --> 00:07:32,494 This is my country. This is my passport. This is my birth certificate.
103 00:07:32,494 --> 00:07:35,590 All 'my', meaning they belong to you.
104 00:07:35,590 --> 00:07:42,120 But can you say, 'This is my my? This is my me?'
105 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:48,130 You can't say, 'This is my me.' Why?
106 00:07:48,130 --> 00:07:51,070 Q1: Because I cannot see this.
107 00:07:51,070 --> 00:07:54,370 M: Yes. So because you can't see it,
108 00:07:54,370 --> 00:07:58,250 M: does it mean it's not there? Q1: No.
109 00:07:58,250 --> 00:08:00,670 M: Right. So there's something in the world,
110 00:08:00,670 --> 00:08:04,980 everything you can see, but something you cannot see.
111 00:08:04,980 --> 00:08:08,460 Everything you can see, but something you cannot see.
112 00:08:08,460 --> 00:08:14,695 And yet you cannot deny that it is real, isn't it? You know you are.
113 00:08:14,695 --> 00:08:17,760 Now, I'm going to zoom in a little bit closer
114 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:22,109 in this feeling that, 'Yes, I know 'I am'.'
115 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:28,100 This thing which you cannot see,
116 00:08:28,100 --> 00:08:32,350 that you say, 'You know it is here.' I mean, it's the first fact.
117 00:08:32,350 --> 00:08:36,710 Because if it's not here, nothing else is here, isn't it?
118 00:08:36,710 --> 00:08:41,200 But it cannot be seen, yeah?
119 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,760 Okay, so we are back to this point.
120 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:48,240 Everything you can see, everything;
121 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:54,600 your thoughts, feelings, objects, people,
122 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,130 your feelings, all of these things, you can see.
123 00:08:58,130 --> 00:09:04,640 You can even see the quality of your sight, isn't it?
124 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,900 So if you went to the optician and he says,
125 00:09:07,900 --> 00:09:10,960 'Could you tell me something, why you come here?'
126 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:16,690 You said, 'Actually, I'm not able to see or focus on things so well.'
127 00:09:16,690 --> 00:09:19,220 He said, 'In both eyes?'
128 00:09:19,220 --> 00:09:24,047 You say, 'No, no, in the right eye.' 'Okay, tell me something.'
129 00:09:24,047 --> 00:09:29,340 You said, 'In the left eye, I can see maybe 80 percent of what it should be,
130 00:09:29,340 --> 00:09:31,900 but in the right eye it's like about 50.'
131 00:09:31,900 --> 00:09:37,993 So something must be seeing sight, isn't it?
132 00:09:37,993 --> 00:09:41,410 The capacity is there. You don't have to ask anybody.
133 00:09:41,410 --> 00:09:45,740 You can see, yeah, something is aware of even the sight
134 00:09:45,740 --> 00:09:48,760 is not functioning well.
135 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:55,680 So something must be behind even the sight.
136 00:09:55,680 --> 00:09:59,880 You are also aware of feelings,
137 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:05,636 emotion, sense of time. If somebody said, 'Yesterday something happened.'
138 00:10:05,636 --> 00:10:09,130 You're aware of what that mean. Everything you're aware of.
139 00:10:09,130 --> 00:10:11,540 Everything you can see.
140 00:10:11,540 --> 00:10:16,310 But your Self, can you see?
141 00:10:16,310 --> 00:10:18,380 Why?
142 00:10:19,740 --> 00:10:21,800 Your body you can see.
143 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:25,880 Your body you can see. You can see your smile.
144 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,220 You can see your body. You can see everything.
145 00:10:29,220 --> 00:10:36,710 But your Self, is seeing your body your Self?
146 00:10:36,710 --> 00:10:39,759 Why not?
147 00:10:43,790 --> 00:10:46,993 Q1: Because something is aware of— M: Yeah, something is aware.
148 00:10:46,993 --> 00:10:49,560 Q1: —of the body. M: Yeah.
149 00:10:49,560 --> 00:10:53,070 That something which is aware of the body cannot be seen.
150 00:10:53,070 --> 00:10:56,380 M: You're saying, no? Q1: Yeah.
151 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,270 M: Can it be it can see sickness?
152 00:11:01,270 --> 00:11:04,470 It can know I'm not feeling well.
153 00:11:04,470 --> 00:11:07,100 'I'm not feeling... ' It knows emotion.
154 00:11:07,100 --> 00:11:11,060 'I'm feeling a little a bit uncomfortable.'
155 00:11:11,060 --> 00:11:14,530 It sees everything. But itself it cannot see.
156 00:11:14,530 --> 00:11:17,930 You're saying? Yeah.
157 00:11:17,930 --> 00:11:23,030 Why can it see everything, but it cannot see itself?
158 00:11:26,934 --> 00:11:30,214 Q1: This I don't know.
159 00:11:31,590 --> 00:11:33,670 M: This which cannot...
160 00:11:33,670 --> 00:11:38,120 You can see everything, but you cannot see your Self.
161 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,190 This which you cannot see,
162 00:11:40,190 --> 00:11:45,640 yet you cannot deny, this is your Self.
163 00:11:52,410 --> 00:11:56,150 That, everything you can see, your feelings, thoughts,
164 00:11:56,150 --> 00:12:00,710 and the function of intellect.
165 00:12:00,710 --> 00:12:02,890 Everything you can see.
166 00:12:02,890 --> 00:12:07,160 But that which is seeing them, you say, 'I can't see.'
167 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:11,590 It's sort of, the word 'I' represent this thing,
168 00:12:11,590 --> 00:12:14,520 but it cannot be seen.
169 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,300 Everybody, even your mother can come and say,
170 00:12:17,300 --> 00:12:19,460 'Darling, it's nice to see you.'
171 00:12:19,460 --> 00:12:22,880 What is the 'you' that she is seeing?
172 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:24,901 Q1: The body. M: The body.
173 00:12:24,901 --> 00:12:29,718 And she's seeing her affection, her memory of you.
174 00:12:29,718 --> 00:12:32,310 All this she can see puts to become you.
175 00:12:32,310 --> 00:12:35,860 'Darling, it's so nice. Where have you been? I haven't seen you for a long time.'
176 00:12:35,860 --> 00:12:39,496 So whatever somebody's saying, 'I can see you. It's good to see you.
177 00:12:39,496 --> 00:12:42,570 Where have you been? You put on some weight' or 'you lost some weight.'
178 00:12:42,570 --> 00:12:45,250 All of this is to do with what?
179 00:12:45,250 --> 00:12:49,450 Q1: Appearance. M: Your form and appearance, okay.
180 00:12:49,450 --> 00:12:52,070 So can she see You?
181 00:12:52,070 --> 00:12:56,769 Can you see You? Is that scary?
182 00:12:58,740 --> 00:13:04,080 Q1: No, it's not scary, but it's so...
183 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,920 Something is missing or feels like...
184 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:11,950 M: Okay, take a moment and think about what's missing.
185 00:13:16,390 --> 00:13:20,610 You cannot see your True Self.
186 00:13:20,610 --> 00:13:25,460 I also cannot see my True Self.
187 00:13:25,460 --> 00:13:31,350 Why? Because it's not an object.
188 00:13:31,350 --> 00:13:35,830 It's not even a thought.
189 00:13:35,830 --> 00:13:40,510 Q1: But you say to stay as this. But... [laughs]
190 00:13:40,510 --> 00:13:44,890 M: Well, okay, okay. Thank you. I say to stay as this. Why?
191 00:13:44,890 --> 00:13:50,880 Because, first of all, you imagine something else to be yourself.
192 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:54,600 You call yourself a woman, a daughter, you are from this country,
193 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:58,350 my parents, I'm... Whatever. Like this.
194 00:13:58,350 --> 00:14:04,590 So we are used to associating some quality that represent you.
195 00:14:04,590 --> 00:14:09,410 But really, you're earlier than this in the purity.
196 00:14:09,410 --> 00:14:12,770 The one that is aware that says,
197 00:14:12,770 --> 00:14:16,320 you're talking on the phone, 'I'm 27 years old.
198 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:20,270 I've got two children. I'm married. I live in this place.'
199 00:14:20,270 --> 00:14:25,590 That one, is what?
200 00:14:25,590 --> 00:14:27,860 Q1: Person. M: Is the person.
201 00:14:27,860 --> 00:14:33,310 Is the person and the Self, the True Self, is the same thing?
202 00:14:33,310 --> 00:14:35,320 Q1: No.
203 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:40,779 M: Does that bring a feeling of discomfort?
204 00:14:42,870 --> 00:14:47,680 No. No. Because there's nothing you have to do to know that.
205 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:49,880 You - something knows.
206 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,952 Yet most people, I would say, in the world, have not even looked like this.
207 00:14:53,952 --> 00:14:56,890 They have not even thought about this,
208 00:14:56,890 --> 00:15:00,930 because your world starts with your person.
209 00:15:00,930 --> 00:15:03,963 If I employ you, I look at you, I interview,
210 00:15:03,963 --> 00:15:07,266 I say, Tell me about yourself. You say, 'I studied this in university.
211 00:15:07,266 --> 00:15:11,920 I lived in South Africa. For a while I travelled..' Information, information.
212 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,320 Information cannot be You.
213 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:20,690 It's about your person. Which is, what is the person?
214 00:15:22,350 --> 00:15:25,480 Q1: This identity is person. M: Yes, yes.
215 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:29,070 Can you see the identity person?
216 00:15:29,070 --> 00:15:32,819 Q1: Yeah. M: What it look like?
217 00:15:34,970 --> 00:15:38,820 Q1: Some tightness, some attachment—
218 00:15:38,820 --> 00:15:41,660 M: Attachment. Q1: —to ideas.
219 00:15:41,660 --> 00:15:46,370 M: Yes. Attachment to some ideas. Okay.
220 00:15:46,370 --> 00:15:50,680 But the person is also idea.
221 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:55,110 Q1: This is a problem, because it really feels real. So yeah.
222 00:15:55,110 --> 00:15:59,829 M: Because it is the feeling 'I' in you,
223 00:15:59,829 --> 00:16:04,990 this 'I', it says,'Yeah, I see', 'I think', 'I... da, da, da.'
224 00:16:04,990 --> 00:16:11,940 Who is the 'I' that thinks we're not sure if it's the person or the real Self?
225 00:16:11,940 --> 00:16:16,840 'I want'. 'Yes, I know.'
226 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:20,410 Who is the 'I' that knows?
227 00:16:20,410 --> 00:16:24,100 Is it personal or impersonal?
228 00:16:24,100 --> 00:16:28,469 Q1: Personal. M: It's personal. Okay, good.
229 00:16:28,469 --> 00:16:33,460 What sees it's impersonal?
230 00:16:33,460 --> 00:16:36,850 Q1: I don't know what. I know it's something is seeing but...
231 00:16:36,850 --> 00:16:40,530 M: Yes. It's the same answer. You've given the answer already.
232 00:16:40,530 --> 00:16:43,790 It cannot be seen.
233 00:16:43,790 --> 00:16:47,640 So this is the most important discovery,
234 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:52,440 because until you really realise this and know this,
235 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:56,230 you take yourself to be an object perceiving other object.
236 00:16:56,230 --> 00:17:00,370 The object being your person. And it's okay, it's okay.
237 00:17:00,370 --> 00:17:04,470 God made it like that, that we would also be projected
238 00:17:04,470 --> 00:17:07,870 into the world of thought and feeling and association
239 00:17:07,870 --> 00:17:11,110 and say, 'This is me,' for a while.
240 00:17:11,110 --> 00:17:16,000 But with this 'I' that works as the person,
241 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:21,320 its world and itself is never stable,
242 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:25,390 because it has an identity.
243 00:17:25,390 --> 00:17:30,400 Is the identity of the person always stable? No, no.
244 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:35,820 But it tries with everything to try and to share that it is stable.
245 00:17:35,820 --> 00:17:44,420 Because stable mean it's wise, it's real, it's dependable, it's consistent.
246 00:17:44,420 --> 00:17:47,210 I'm just talking this through.
247 00:17:47,210 --> 00:17:50,780 But I'm pointing to a deeper knowing behind this person
248 00:17:50,780 --> 00:17:56,520 that knows the person, that sees the person.
249 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:00,670 That which is aware of the person— you're with me?
250 00:18:00,670 --> 00:18:04,630 Is it attached to the person or is the person attached to it?
251 00:18:04,630 --> 00:18:07,740 Take a moment.
252 00:18:11,380 --> 00:18:15,960 Q1: It is not attached. M: It's not attached.
253 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,720 M: Does it suffer from not being attached?
254 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:23,910 Q1: No. [laughs]
255 00:18:23,910 --> 00:18:27,617 M: But I had to question you for you to recede to that place
256 00:18:27,617 --> 00:18:31,050 to say, 'It's not attached.'
257 00:18:31,050 --> 00:18:33,710 Because where we are functioning normally
258 00:18:33,710 --> 00:18:37,780 is from the identity of the person, which is attached.
259 00:18:37,780 --> 00:18:40,320 Which likes and dislikes.
260 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,560 Who wants and don't want.
261 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:44,730 Who thinks this and thinks that.
262 00:18:44,730 --> 00:18:49,720 And very much is in the function of perceiving and living, no?
263 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:54,170 So, what I'm sharing is that, that's okay.
264 00:18:54,170 --> 00:19:00,700 But if you only are aware of yourself as a person, with its world,
265 00:19:00,700 --> 00:19:05,450 you will never be totally happy, because it's not stable.
266 00:19:05,450 --> 00:19:09,457 Today, 'Ah, I'm so happy. I'm so... Oh, so wonderful!'
267 00:19:09,457 --> 00:19:13,500 Tomorrow I see you... [imitates struggling]
268 00:19:13,500 --> 00:19:18,680 I say, Mia, what's up? 'It's okay, I don't want to talk about it.'
269 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:22,200 Who is it, who is speaking? Person, no? Q1: Yes.
270 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:27,740 M: What does the Self say? What does the real Self say?
271 00:19:27,740 --> 00:19:30,690 Is it important at all?
272 00:19:30,690 --> 00:19:33,860 No. Is the self important? Q1: No.
273 00:19:33,860 --> 00:19:35,979 M: It's not important. Q1: No.
274 00:19:35,979 --> 00:19:39,980 M: So does that mean that it's no good, it's not significant?
275 00:19:39,980 --> 00:19:44,230 The self is not important? It's not important?
276 00:19:44,230 --> 00:19:47,940 Okay, so what's the purpose of it existing then?
277 00:19:47,940 --> 00:19:50,969 If other things after it is important, like the person;
278 00:19:50,969 --> 00:19:53,930 personal identity is important, personal world is important,
279 00:19:53,930 --> 00:19:56,060 personal attachment is important.
280 00:19:56,060 --> 00:20:02,500 But the one before all of this come, which cannot be removed,
281 00:20:02,500 --> 00:20:06,930 can the Self be killed? No.
282 00:20:06,930 --> 00:20:13,870 And you say, 'I'm quite liking it, actually, it's not important.' Okay.
283 00:20:16,670 --> 00:20:20,940 M: What is important?
284 00:20:20,940 --> 00:20:25,320 Q1: I feel this exercise is important to do. M: Yes.
285 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:30,100 Why is it important, the exercise?
286 00:20:33,950 --> 00:20:36,980 Q1: To stabilise in this. M: Yeah.
287 00:20:36,980 --> 00:20:41,291 Is it the Self, the inmost Self that has to stabilise,
288 00:20:41,291 --> 00:20:44,940 or something else has to stabilise? Q1: Something else.
289 00:20:44,940 --> 00:20:47,100 M: Right.
290 00:20:47,100 --> 00:20:51,400 Why does it need to stabilise, the something else?
291 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:57,760 Q1: Because to not get pulled into identity.
292 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:04,723 M: Yes. What is it that gets pulled into identity? Is it the Self?
293 00:21:04,723 --> 00:21:07,810 Q1: Attention. M: Attention. Attention gets pulled.
294 00:21:07,810 --> 00:21:12,000 M: So attention is very important. Q1: Yes.
295 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:16,160 M: When the attention gets pulled into identity,
296 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,700 what knows it most deeply;
297 00:21:18,700 --> 00:21:25,390 the attention, the mind, the person, or the inmost Self?
298 00:21:25,390 --> 00:21:28,790 Q1: The Self. The inmost Self. M: The Self.
299 00:21:28,790 --> 00:21:32,250 Does it suffer? Q1: No.
300 00:21:32,250 --> 00:21:35,050 M: No. Still it's important,
301 00:21:35,050 --> 00:21:39,390 because every time the attention goes out and forgets itself,
302 00:21:39,390 --> 00:21:43,500 it forgets where it comes from. Q1: Yeah. [laughs]
303 00:21:43,500 --> 00:21:48,010 M: Every time the attention goes out, gets involved in its projections,
304 00:21:48,010 --> 00:21:50,640 it causes some pain,
305 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:55,290 it creates a kind of a world, it creates emotion,
306 00:21:55,290 --> 00:21:58,730 it creates ups and downs, like this,
307 00:21:58,730 --> 00:22:01,620 and something is troubled by that.
308 00:22:01,620 --> 00:22:05,063 Maybe the person is troubled by that. Q1: Yeah.
309 00:22:05,063 --> 00:22:08,250 M: And in our world, everything is due to the person.
310 00:22:08,250 --> 00:22:11,430 It's the person that takes another person to court.
311 00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:16,200 It's the person that wins or lose. What about the Self?
312 00:22:18,586 --> 00:22:22,110 Q1: Nothing. [laughs] M: Is it important to know this?
313 00:22:22,110 --> 00:22:24,560 Q1: Yeah. M: Yeah.
314 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:29,470 Okay, so when we speak about— I'll come back to your letter now.
315 00:22:29,470 --> 00:22:36,180 [Reads the letter] You say, 'I don't know how to observe with detachment.'
316 00:22:36,180 --> 00:22:40,930 Does the Self need to know how to observe with detachment?
317 00:22:40,930 --> 00:22:45,330 [Questioner shakes head, no] M: Why?
318 00:22:45,330 --> 00:22:50,490 Q1: It doesn't need anything. M: It doesn't need anything.
319 00:22:50,490 --> 00:22:54,290 Yet everything is known to it.
320 00:22:54,290 --> 00:22:58,024 The play of the mind, or da da da da, it knows,
321 00:22:58,024 --> 00:23:03,060 but it's not impacted upon. Q1: No.
322 00:23:03,060 --> 00:23:09,660 M: There is a link between the sense of the person and the inner Self.
323 00:23:09,660 --> 00:23:14,840 When the person, who cannot exist without the inner Self,
324 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:23,230 when it gets into states of confusion and pain,
325 00:23:23,230 --> 00:23:26,930 if it doesn't realise its root as the inner Self,
326 00:23:26,930 --> 00:23:29,702 it goes floating off and trouble can come.
327 00:23:29,702 --> 00:23:32,530 Mental problems can come. Sickness can come.
328 00:23:32,530 --> 00:23:35,240 Anger can come. Fear come. Everything come.
329 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:39,140 So it's very important that this personal sense
330 00:23:39,140 --> 00:23:41,980 become aware of its root.
331 00:23:41,980 --> 00:23:48,150 Q1: Yes, and when I tried to do this exercise, I cannot come to this.
332 00:23:48,150 --> 00:23:53,280 M: Who is doing the exercise? Q1: Yes it's the mind and the person
333 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:58,050 and the one who wants to stop suffering. M: Right.
334 00:23:58,050 --> 00:24:01,169 What knows this?
335 00:24:04,100 --> 00:24:08,590 What is aware of this? Is it the person-mind or the inner Self?
336 00:24:08,590 --> 00:24:12,040 Q1: The inner Self. M: Yeah. Is the inner Self troubled?
337 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,270 Q1: No.
338 00:24:14,270 --> 00:24:19,070 M: Still, the exercise is good, because this is the real yoga.
339 00:24:19,070 --> 00:24:22,370 Yoga means the coming together into oneness;
340 00:24:22,370 --> 00:24:28,586 where the sense of the person has to rediscover its root.
341 00:24:28,586 --> 00:24:30,970 The person cannot live by itself.
342 00:24:30,970 --> 00:24:37,880 Even when it's not aware of the Self, it still comes from the Self.
343 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:43,380 So largely the human expression of the consciousness self
344 00:24:43,380 --> 00:24:46,810 is self-aware as a person.
345 00:24:46,810 --> 00:24:51,310 And so it can go for lifetimes, in the human lifetime, living the person,
346 00:24:51,310 --> 00:24:55,232 because it's a big world, its dreams, and 'I have to go do this.
347 00:24:55,232 --> 00:25:00,310 I like this, I don't like that,' and da da da. Maybe life after life.
348 00:25:00,310 --> 00:25:04,050 'This life I love, I love ice cream. I'd die for ice cream.'
349 00:25:04,050 --> 00:25:08,180 Next life, 'I can't stand ice cream.' There's nothing consistent about it.
350 00:25:08,180 --> 00:25:13,330 Except that it cannot exist without the real Self,
351 00:25:13,330 --> 00:25:16,330 and it has intelligence also.
352 00:25:16,330 --> 00:25:21,810 So, when it happens to this personal self,
353 00:25:21,810 --> 00:25:25,458 for some reason, it's being attracted to find out,
354 00:25:25,458 --> 00:25:27,850 maybe it suffers enough in the world
355 00:25:27,850 --> 00:25:31,780 and it wants to find a solution for it.
356 00:25:31,780 --> 00:25:37,530 And the only solid solution is to discover where it comes from,
357 00:25:37,530 --> 00:25:42,610 and that where it come from, and itself, are one.
358 00:25:42,610 --> 00:25:44,890 That's what the search of life is.
359 00:25:44,890 --> 00:25:49,230 Because all the beings who are not aware of this oneness with the Self,
360 00:25:49,230 --> 00:25:54,870 all of them suffer. All have problem. You see.
361 00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:59,090 So this is the purpose of our satsang,
362 00:25:59,090 --> 00:26:03,700 is that the consciousness, in the form of a person,
363 00:26:03,700 --> 00:26:06,000 becomes attracted to its root,
364 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,770 and not just attracted to the world in front of it.
365 00:26:09,770 --> 00:26:14,759 And so this exercise like detachment, meaning that whatever is going on,
366 00:26:14,759 --> 00:26:19,630 to go in the world, to do, the this, and self-image,
367 00:26:19,630 --> 00:26:22,082 self-image, self-assessments,
368 00:26:22,082 --> 00:26:29,200 all of this is a play of the mind, is mind states.
369 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:35,860 And it has to realise that all states are changeful, okay,
370 00:26:35,860 --> 00:26:41,110 and that it can witness them, it can observe them, without being them.
371 00:26:41,110 --> 00:26:46,279 In fact, you can only observe something because you're not it, actually.
372 00:26:46,279 --> 00:26:54,260 And that there's a capacity even in the person to observe,
373 00:26:54,260 --> 00:26:59,310 and in observing them it knows that it's not them.
374 00:26:59,310 --> 00:27:03,900 And that characteristic is like its parent.
375 00:27:03,900 --> 00:27:08,264 You see, the person, the characteristic of looking and realising that,
376 00:27:08,264 --> 00:27:14,910 'Whatever I see is only an impression, a thought, and a feeling,
377 00:27:14,910 --> 00:27:19,220 but it's not what I am,' that's called awakening
378 00:27:19,220 --> 00:27:22,750 It's waking up to the fact that nothing out here
379 00:27:22,750 --> 00:27:25,130 comes through the mind or the senses,
380 00:27:25,130 --> 00:27:30,210 nothing of there can be fundamental to me. All of it is changing.
381 00:27:30,210 --> 00:27:36,460 And even myself as the person who is looking and knowing this,
382 00:27:36,460 --> 00:27:40,603 it's like on the verge of this way - world.
383 00:27:40,603 --> 00:27:43,590 This way - into the abyss of the Self.
384 00:27:43,590 --> 00:27:46,380 Because it has a capacity that when it looks
385 00:27:46,380 --> 00:27:52,050 and is not identified with what it sees or what its experience is,
386 00:27:52,050 --> 00:27:55,880 each thing comes, like life is saying, 'This thing and this thing.'
387 00:27:55,880 --> 00:28:00,450 And it's saying, 'No, it's not this. It's not this. What I am is not this.'
388 00:28:00,450 --> 00:28:07,580 As you keep doing that, it naturally comes back to its original Self-awareness.
389 00:28:07,580 --> 00:28:10,469 And I say, Self-awareness, non-dual Self-awareness,
390 00:28:10,469 --> 00:28:14,220 like not one thing, not a divided union,
391 00:28:14,220 --> 00:28:17,970 but a harmony comes back into realising,
392 00:28:17,970 --> 00:28:22,100 'But here nothing is happening to me.'
393 00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:25,078 When I go into the mind, into identity,
394 00:28:25,078 --> 00:28:27,630 then happenings becomes relevant.
395 00:28:27,630 --> 00:28:33,170 But if I even can observe and be aware of even my person,
396 00:28:33,170 --> 00:28:37,960 which is like my person is like the...
397 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:43,370 What you call this? The binoculars that sees the world,
398 00:28:43,370 --> 00:28:45,560 but the person who sees the world
399 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,140 is also seen from the place of the Self.
400 00:28:48,140 --> 00:28:54,320 When it knows this, it's coming back into conscious harmony.
401 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,930 That's all the thing of detachment is.
402 00:28:56,930 --> 00:29:01,060 You don't have to kill anything. It's just understanding.
403 00:29:01,060 --> 00:29:05,240 The realisation of the Self is a journey of understanding,
404 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,860 and understanding your misunderstanding.
405 00:29:07,860 --> 00:29:10,689 So it's simple. Unless we get it, it might seem,
406 00:29:10,689 --> 00:29:14,490 'It's the most complex thing.' Why? Because you're not used to doing it.
407 00:29:14,490 --> 00:29:18,810 You're looking—each one is used to looking forward, looking outward.
408 00:29:18,810 --> 00:29:22,500 Even sometimes when you think we're looking inward into our mind,
409 00:29:22,500 --> 00:29:25,461 it's still outward from the inner Self.
410 00:29:25,461 --> 00:29:28,260 Q1: Yeah, and this happens a lot,
411 00:29:28,260 --> 00:29:33,220 because I go in, in and then it's the body.
412 00:29:33,220 --> 00:29:36,390 I cannot go beyond. M: You're in the body-mind.
413 00:29:36,390 --> 00:29:40,110 But something behind that knows this thing.
414 00:29:40,110 --> 00:29:44,680 The mind cannot make an ultimate realisation
415 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,480 without becoming the realisation.
416 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:53,930 The mind or the person cannot come to ultimate realisation
417 00:29:53,930 --> 00:29:57,410 and remain independent of that realisation.
418 00:29:57,410 --> 00:30:04,780 The more it becomes aware, the more it finds it is. Not that it has.
419 00:30:04,780 --> 00:30:08,630 And this is very significant thing.
420 00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:13,910 Nobody can have the realisation and be somebody who has realisation.
421 00:30:13,910 --> 00:30:17,130 What it means is that, the idea of yourself
422 00:30:17,130 --> 00:30:21,350 as being only the person, subsides again, and is seen,
423 00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:26,520 it is seen as also the most subtle object.
424 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:31,350 This subtle object of a person is behaving like a subject,
425 00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:34,330 and that everything in its world is the object.
426 00:30:34,330 --> 00:30:38,440 But to the Self, it also is the first object.
427 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:44,900 The first object shines as this feeling 'I', 'I am here'.
428 00:30:44,900 --> 00:30:48,870 You know, 'Mia!' 'Yeah, I'm here.' What it means, 'I am here'?
429 00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:53,260 The reference normally is, 'Look, I'm over here.
430 00:30:53,260 --> 00:30:56,590 And this is okay, this is normal, this is the only place
431 00:30:56,590 --> 00:30:59,160 where language can exist, in that way.
432 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,990 The language is for the sense of the person
433 00:31:01,990 --> 00:31:07,090 having relationship with what it likes or dislike.
434 00:31:07,090 --> 00:31:10,070 Actually, there's nothing wrong with this, ultimately.
435 00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:12,790 Because even as you wake up again to realise that,
436 00:31:12,790 --> 00:31:16,410 whatever happens, it's seen from this place.
437 00:31:16,410 --> 00:31:18,810 But this place cannot be seen,
438 00:31:18,810 --> 00:31:23,930 and that I can only really be this place.
439 00:31:23,930 --> 00:31:27,945 Then when you really know this, the dynamic expression of this,
440 00:31:27,945 --> 00:31:31,429 which is like of being a person, that can still play,
441 00:31:31,429 --> 00:31:34,890 but it won't have that delusion in it.
442 00:31:34,890 --> 00:31:38,820 Q1: Yes. This delusion has to go.
443 00:31:38,820 --> 00:31:41,901 M: No, it needs to be understood. Q1: Yeah.
444 00:31:41,901 --> 00:31:44,760 M: It doesn't go. Why it needs to go?
445 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,883 Because you are combining it with your identity
446 00:31:47,883 --> 00:31:50,390 and it hurts like, 'No, no, no, no.'
447 00:31:50,390 --> 00:31:53,510 But all this now, you're going to see all of this
448 00:31:53,510 --> 00:31:56,250 are constructs of the mind.
449 00:31:56,250 --> 00:32:00,306 And the self is just a psychological portrait
450 00:32:00,306 --> 00:32:03,360 of the mind, of the person.
451 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,820 But the inner being, which has no shape, you can't identify and say,
452 00:32:07,820 --> 00:32:11,070 'Ah I found the inner being.' You cannot do that.
453 00:32:11,070 --> 00:32:16,160 Because anything you can do that with, is an object in the perception.
454 00:32:17,980 --> 00:32:20,160 M: You got it, isn't it? Q1: Yes.
455 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:24,760 M: Okay. So okay, so prove your problem. Go on.
456 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,880 You see, you will need to sit with this, more and more.
457 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,600 Because it's like shape shifting. One minute you think you're looking
458 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:55,200 and the next minute you're involved, invested.
459 00:32:55,200 --> 00:33:02,410 Don't get angry about this, because it's been happening for lifetimes.
460 00:33:02,410 --> 00:33:04,680 So, let it happen, it's okay.
461 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,300 Just keep seeing, but wait a minute, this can be seen also.
462 00:33:08,300 --> 00:33:13,990 The most intimate is also an object of perception.
463 00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:18,430 The most intimate, because 'intimate' means at least two.
464 00:33:18,430 --> 00:33:22,350 If there's not two, there is no intimate.
465 00:33:28,257 --> 00:33:34,120 Can you be confused, 'you', in the light of what I'm sharing?
466 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,900 Q1: No, no. M: Thank you.
467 00:33:36,900 --> 00:33:40,050 But you can be aware of confusion. Q1: Yeah.
468 00:33:40,050 --> 00:33:44,520 M: If you can be aware of confusion without identifying with confusion,
469 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,500 are you cheating?
470 00:33:47,500 --> 00:33:50,350 Q1: No, no. [laughs]
471 00:33:52,459 --> 00:33:54,969 M: Very good.
472 00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:01,620 So let's start again from the beginning. What's your problem?
473 00:34:09,700 --> 00:34:16,420 Q1: That when I do this exercise, I believe I need to find something.
474 00:34:16,420 --> 00:34:20,873 M: 'I' being what? Qualify your status here.
475 00:34:20,873 --> 00:34:22,870 Q1: The person.
476 00:34:22,870 --> 00:34:26,090 M: When the person do the exercise? Q1: Yeah.
477 00:34:26,090 --> 00:34:31,380 M: There's another word for person in this exercise,
478 00:34:31,380 --> 00:34:34,170 I would call it,
479 00:34:34,170 --> 00:34:42,900 when the personalised intelligence of the truth,
480 00:34:42,900 --> 00:34:48,100 when the personal intelligence of God
481 00:34:48,100 --> 00:34:54,820 gets confused with its projections, then it's like it's lost to itself.
482 00:34:54,820 --> 00:34:57,110 It's like it's lost to itself.
483 00:34:57,110 --> 00:35:01,980 When that loss to itself becomes painful,
484 00:35:01,980 --> 00:35:07,570 you're on the brink of awakening. You understand?
485 00:35:07,570 --> 00:35:12,070 Because if you're not troubled by it, then you will not go beyond it.
486 00:35:12,070 --> 00:35:17,210 Q1: When it's just pain, pain, pain. [laughs]
487 00:35:17,210 --> 00:35:22,430 M: 'No pain, no gain,' they say. You have to...
488 00:35:22,430 --> 00:35:28,020 It's like, in a way, you're giving birth to yourself.
489 00:35:28,020 --> 00:35:35,540 Q1: Because I sit and I do, but I feel like there is no result.
490 00:35:35,540 --> 00:35:39,550 M: You, again, who is sitting and looking, is what?
491 00:35:39,550 --> 00:35:42,740 Q1: The person. [laughter]
492 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,878 M: Does it matter that we are catching it like that?
493 00:35:47,878 --> 00:35:49,980 That it's the person doing it,
494 00:35:49,980 --> 00:35:54,320 and that what the person cries about today, laughs about another moment,
495 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,880 that it's not consistent.
496 00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:01,100 And even if it says, 'Eureka, I found the Self!' Can it be true?
497 00:36:01,100 --> 00:36:03,530 Q1: No. M: Why not?
498 00:36:03,530 --> 00:36:06,080 Q1: Because it cannot be seen.
499 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:10,308 Q1: And if it lends to some illusion of...
500 00:36:10,308 --> 00:36:14,620 M: So then what's the practice for?
501 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:22,720 Q1: To become aware of all this—
502 00:36:27,740 --> 00:36:34,170 wrong ideas. M: Yeah, that's one way we can put it.
503 00:36:34,170 --> 00:36:36,950 Tell me another way we can put it. That's good.
504 00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:41,040 I take that, to become aware of all these kind of little—
505 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:46,790 all these little kind of distortions of understanding,
506 00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:51,020 to become aware of them. More subtle than that.
507 00:36:51,020 --> 00:36:56,780 By becoming aware of them, you become aware of what?
508 00:36:56,780 --> 00:37:01,720 Q1: Of that which is seeing. M: Is seeing, yeah.
509 00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:07,140 How can you become... be aware of it phenomenally?
510 00:37:07,140 --> 00:37:09,930 Can you become aware of it phenomenally?
511 00:37:09,930 --> 00:37:12,010 Q1: No. M: No.
512 00:37:12,010 --> 00:37:15,460 So therefore, you become aware of what?
513 00:37:15,460 --> 00:37:20,790 Q1: It feels like it's just the moments of this awareness.
514 00:37:20,790 --> 00:37:25,222 M: Yeah. It will flicker before, because you're not used to it.
515 00:37:25,222 --> 00:37:27,964 The reflex is used to going out and connecting
516 00:37:27,964 --> 00:37:31,350 with objects of projections and perception, used to that.
517 00:37:31,350 --> 00:37:35,230 But now I'm asking you to... All this is happening for everyone.
518 00:37:35,230 --> 00:37:38,570 And even the one who says, 'But this is happening to me,
519 00:37:38,570 --> 00:37:42,230 and I find it frustrating!' With where I'm asking you to do,
520 00:37:42,230 --> 00:37:48,050 is to see that that also is an aspect of the mind.
521 00:37:48,050 --> 00:37:51,300 But all of these aspects, they came originally
522 00:37:51,300 --> 00:37:55,920 from out of this projection forward. Can you see?
523 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,940 Q1: Yeah. M: Yeah.
524 00:37:57,940 --> 00:38:06,466 And that the real opportunity is in seeing this.
525 00:38:06,466 --> 00:38:10,200 But still something is feeling, 'No, but mind is still troubling.
526 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:15,600 Mind is still troubling.' No, don't worry. It's troubling who?
527 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:20,200 Who is the mind troubling?
528 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,906 We can say together after three. One, two, three. Q1: No one.
529 00:38:23,906 --> 00:38:27,420 M: The person. Oh, no one! Oh, you beat me to it!
530 00:38:27,420 --> 00:38:31,290 It's troubling no one! It's troubling no one.
531 00:38:31,290 --> 00:38:35,570 That's a better answer than the person. [Questioner laughs]
532 00:38:35,570 --> 00:38:37,630 M: You see this? Q1: Yeah.
533 00:38:37,630 --> 00:38:39,760 M: Okay.
534 00:38:40,810 --> 00:38:43,830 So now what?
535 00:38:47,590 --> 00:38:51,780 It's enough or not enough?
536 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,401 Q1: I don't know.
537 00:38:57,401 --> 00:39:02,600 M: Who is saying? Who is... Where this answer is coming from?
538 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,600 I can accept it, or I can question it, 'I don't know.'
539 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:15,150 'I'-who don't know?
540 00:39:15,150 --> 00:39:17,770 Q1: It's the person. M: It's the person.
541 00:39:17,770 --> 00:39:19,840 Q1: Yeah. M: Yeah, sure?
542 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,377 Q1: No. [laughs] M: It can be from the person.
543 00:39:23,377 --> 00:39:26,080 If you say it's from the person, okay,
544 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,870 then I would say, You give me one more move.
545 00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:34,450 But what's aware that it's coming from the person?
546 00:39:34,450 --> 00:39:39,360 Q1: Yes. Something feels like it's not satisfied,
547 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:45,540 but I should not go after.
548 00:39:45,540 --> 00:39:49,290 M: Yes. This is a powerful seeing,
549 00:39:49,290 --> 00:39:51,830 'Something feels not satisfied.'
550 00:39:51,830 --> 00:39:57,430 That which feels not satisfied, it's personal or impersonal?
551 00:39:57,430 --> 00:40:00,750 Q1: It's personal. M: Personal.
552 00:40:00,750 --> 00:40:04,220 You see, if that gets you each time, like the person goes,
553 00:40:04,220 --> 00:40:09,850 'Yeah, I know, Guruji, but, you know, can't get... ' Who's speaking?
554 00:40:09,850 --> 00:40:12,650 Q1: Person. M: Yeah.
555 00:40:12,650 --> 00:40:15,330 So we will finish on that note?
556 00:40:15,330 --> 00:40:21,810 Q1: Uh, person? No. [laughs] M: Thank you. Okay. Where?
557 00:40:29,300 --> 00:40:33,730 What does finish mean?
558 00:40:33,730 --> 00:40:37,977 Q1: Just this conversation. Finish the conversation.
559 00:40:37,977 --> 00:40:43,810 M: The conversation can finish in its oral manifestation.
560 00:40:43,810 --> 00:40:46,680 It may go to be some kind of little stuff
561 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,890 in the mind that feels like, 'Yeah, I don't know.
562 00:40:49,890 --> 00:40:53,130 I had a talk with Mooji, and it was really clear,
563 00:40:53,130 --> 00:40:56,120 but now it's not clear.' Is report from?
564 00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,430 Q1: The mind. M: From the mind.
565 00:40:58,430 --> 00:41:02,150 And it is that ultimate? Q1: No.
566 00:41:02,150 --> 00:41:06,370 M: No. What is ultimate?
567 00:41:06,370 --> 00:41:09,640 Q1: That which is aware of this.
568 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,350 M: Yes, yes.
569 00:41:12,350 --> 00:41:15,880 M: Which is where?
570 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,880 Q1: It's nowhere.
571 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,310 M: Why are you smiling? [Questioner laughs]
572 00:41:28,700 --> 00:41:34,270 So, you have a problem?
573 00:41:34,270 --> 00:41:37,630 Q1: No. [Laughter]
574 00:41:37,630 --> 00:41:42,870 Can you, from this place of answering, ever have a problem?
575 00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:45,719 Q1: No. No.
576 00:41:51,110 --> 00:41:56,139 M: Are you sad or happy about this?
577 00:41:59,750 --> 00:42:02,759 Q1: Nothing. M: Very good.
578 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,929 More subtle than even happy.
579 00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:17,109 Yeah. We're good?
580 00:42:19,690 --> 00:42:22,790 If you go walking and the mind comes again and says,
581 00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:26,780 'I can't remember anything about that.
582 00:42:26,780 --> 00:42:30,697 I'm going to try and see if I can get that mood back.' Was it a mood?
583 00:42:30,697 --> 00:42:34,240 Q1: No. M: It's not a mood. [laughter]
584 00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:38,740 Can you lose this?
585 00:42:38,740 --> 00:42:40,960 Q1: No. M: No.
586 00:42:42,430 --> 00:42:46,489 Can you possess this? Q1: No.
587 00:42:49,620 --> 00:42:52,619 M: Very good.
588 00:42:56,470 --> 00:42:59,050 I'm happy. Very good.
589 00:42:59,050 --> 00:43:02,740 So, the rest I don't have to read, no?
590 00:43:02,740 --> 00:43:06,938 [Reads letter] 'I don't know how to be aware that I am aware.
591 00:43:06,938 --> 00:43:09,030 [Questioner laughs]
592 00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:14,900 I still see this 'I'-identity as real. Please help, Mia.'
593 00:43:14,900 --> 00:43:17,040 Do we need? Q1: No.
594 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:21,900 M: Very good. Can I keep it? Q1: Yes. I mean, throw it.
595 00:43:21,900 --> 00:43:25,379 M: Throw it, keep it. I'm happy you're like this. It's good.
596 00:43:25,379 --> 00:43:31,620 Q1: You don't need to keep it. M: Because this, [touches letter]
597 00:43:31,620 --> 00:43:37,389 I call it an auspicious reaching out to clarify something.
598 00:43:37,389 --> 00:43:42,271 And to that extent, it's very...
599 00:43:42,271 --> 00:43:44,830 I mean, it's not a game.
600 00:43:44,830 --> 00:43:50,789 We can say it is like a game, but it's not a cynical game.
601 00:43:50,789 --> 00:43:57,319 It's, you may say, a game or a play or
602 00:43:57,319 --> 00:44:02,320 something that needs to happen
603 00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:06,530 to the human expression of consciousness,
604 00:44:06,530 --> 00:44:11,300 when it comes to a stage where its world is not working.
605 00:44:11,300 --> 00:44:14,240 And I don't see that as a disaster.
606 00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:18,140 I see it as opportunity to look behind the scene.
607 00:44:18,140 --> 00:44:23,150 Q1: Yes, yes. I want to take every opportunity to look.
608 00:44:23,150 --> 00:44:27,080 M: Okay. Now? Right now?
609 00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,930 Q1: Always, yeah, now. M: Yeah. Okay.
610 00:44:30,930 --> 00:44:33,860 Do you need to look further now?
611 00:44:33,860 --> 00:44:36,825 Q1: I can do, yeah. M: Yeah.
612 00:44:36,825 --> 00:44:40,460 M: Yeah. Good. Q1: Yeah, yeah. [laughs]
613 00:44:40,460 --> 00:44:44,599 M: Thank you. Very good.
614 00:44:47,660 --> 00:44:50,396 And you don't need to talk to anybody about it.
615 00:44:50,396 --> 00:44:53,706 Just you sit with that, and watch.
616 00:44:53,706 --> 00:45:00,790 And however tricky the mind can be, you remember, it is secondary.
617 00:45:00,790 --> 00:45:04,100 That which is primary, is seeing that.
618 00:45:04,100 --> 00:45:08,090 And the mind can come in the form of thought or moods or sensation,
619 00:45:08,090 --> 00:45:10,850 it can appear like confusion,
620 00:45:10,850 --> 00:45:16,390 it appears as identity, but it's still only appearing.
621 00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:21,680 Can the Self appear? No.
622 00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:26,659 So it causes the appearing of the mind play and the diversity.
623 00:45:26,659 --> 00:45:32,160 But it itself is indescribable actually.
624 00:45:34,510 --> 00:45:38,300 So at this point I would say, sit and contemplate that.
625 00:45:38,300 --> 00:45:41,430 Yeah. That's all you have to do.
626 00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:47,390 You see, it sounds as though from what you write, somebody might think,
627 00:45:47,390 --> 00:45:51,080 'Wow, I feel she's in real trouble.' But for me, I think, what a opportunity,
628 00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,800 I got to find out from you, we can look together.
629 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:57,890 And it's all in you. It's all you.
630 00:46:02,180 --> 00:46:04,244 Very good.
631 00:46:05,474 --> 00:46:08,734 Would you like some tea or something? Did you get something or are you okay?
632 00:46:08,734 --> 00:46:12,800 Q1: I think I have some food waiting for me. M: Go and eat the food now, it's cold.
633 00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,220 That's the only food that's worth eating cold right now.
634 00:46:16,220 --> 00:46:18,484 Q1: It's...
635 00:46:18,484 --> 00:46:24,030 M: Thank you. Wonderful, darling. Thank you, thank you, thank you,
636 00:46:24,030 --> 00:46:28,430 Q1: Thank you so much. M: Yes. See you in a bit.
637 00:46:28,430 --> 00:46:32,470 Okay. Okay. Q1: Thank you.
638 00:46:37,580 --> 00:46:40,090 M: If you are earnest, then you must do.
639 00:46:40,090 --> 00:46:42,590 You can walk the same road.
640 00:46:42,590 --> 00:46:45,819 It's fresh every time.