1 00:00:08,886 --> 00:00:12,368 How to be Free from Ego 2 00:00:12,368 --> 00:00:14,810 5 November 2024 (with subtitles) 3 00:00:18,270 --> 00:00:21,501 [Mooji] Can I just read it out? [Questioner 1] Yes. 4 00:00:21,501 --> 00:00:23,500 [M.] You write, 'Dear Guruji, 5 00:00:23,500 --> 00:00:27,249 I am too ashamed and afraid to speak to you. 6 00:00:27,249 --> 00:00:31,603 I don't know how to observe with detachment. 7 00:00:31,603 --> 00:00:35,314 I don't know how to be aware that I am aware. 8 00:00:35,314 --> 00:00:39,886 I still see this 'I' identity as real. Please help me.' 9 00:00:39,886 --> 00:00:42,689 It's a very, very honest thing. 10 00:00:42,689 --> 00:00:46,369 I wish people would write more like this. And just to say, 11 00:00:46,369 --> 00:00:49,850 because some people, they hold back and they don't say. 12 00:00:49,850 --> 00:00:52,170 So I appreciate that you can say it, 13 00:00:52,170 --> 00:00:54,510 because I can kind of have a chance 14 00:00:54,510 --> 00:00:57,070 to share with you in a simple way. 15 00:00:59,268 --> 00:01:03,250 'I don't know how to observe with detachment.' 16 00:01:07,287 --> 00:01:12,211 Actually, we are observing with detachment many things, 17 00:01:12,211 --> 00:01:16,170 if they don't matter to you, do you understand? 18 00:01:16,170 --> 00:01:19,406 If things don't matter to you, you still see them, 19 00:01:19,406 --> 00:01:21,692 but you are not distracted by them. 20 00:01:21,692 --> 00:01:25,554 For everybody, it's the same thing. So that's the first part. 21 00:01:25,554 --> 00:01:29,175 There is no such thing as not observing with detachment. 22 00:01:29,175 --> 00:01:31,599 If, suppose everything you see, 23 00:01:31,599 --> 00:01:33,836 every situation you had, 24 00:01:33,836 --> 00:01:36,703 you had to remember. It's just alive in you. 25 00:01:36,703 --> 00:01:39,961 We will be completely crazy. Nobody can do. 26 00:01:39,961 --> 00:01:46,221 There is the mechanism of our true natural state. 27 00:01:46,221 --> 00:01:50,100 It's working all the time to ... 28 00:01:50,100 --> 00:01:53,002 Like you can walk through here, walk up there. 29 00:01:53,002 --> 00:01:56,685 You don't have to notice every step, or notice everything. 30 00:01:56,685 --> 00:01:59,920 You meet a person. Say, 'Hi, hello. Good morning.' 31 00:01:59,920 --> 00:02:02,500 You pass. You don't have to retain that. 32 00:02:02,500 --> 00:02:07,069 So a natural detachment is functioning inside us. 33 00:02:10,759 --> 00:02:15,050 It's already there, the detachment. 34 00:02:15,050 --> 00:02:19,656 If we were not able to detach and yet we are perceiving, 35 00:02:19,656 --> 00:02:22,752 we would be in trouble. 36 00:02:22,752 --> 00:02:30,172 So, first of all, know that it's natural, that you meet people ... 37 00:02:30,172 --> 00:02:34,611 It's the things that matter to you, 38 00:02:34,611 --> 00:02:39,094 that you start to become more attached to. 39 00:02:39,094 --> 00:02:42,972 Like it has meaning, and so I have to remember this thing. 40 00:02:42,972 --> 00:02:46,797 So it's almost like, you take a kind of photograph 41 00:02:46,797 --> 00:02:50,187 in some kind of way inside. It's like, that matters. 42 00:02:50,187 --> 00:02:53,808 So then it becomes important. So like this, when you say, 43 00:02:53,808 --> 00:02:57,460 'I don't know how to observe with detachment', 44 00:02:57,460 --> 00:03:01,029 if I say, 45 00:03:01,029 --> 00:03:05,414 But you are doing it anyway with many things. 46 00:03:05,414 --> 00:03:08,570 If I walk through from the front to the back here, 47 00:03:08,570 --> 00:03:11,660 and I say to everybody as we're walking through, 48 00:03:11,660 --> 00:03:13,660 Be detached from everything, 49 00:03:13,660 --> 00:03:17,858 then it becomes a problem, because it turns it into a strangeness. 50 00:03:17,858 --> 00:03:20,830 Because naturally you're detached from things. 51 00:03:20,830 --> 00:03:22,827 You come to satsang 52 00:03:22,827 --> 00:03:26,057 and I'm teaching you something much more powerful. 53 00:03:26,057 --> 00:03:30,370 And to bring awareness to something that's already natural for you. 54 00:03:30,370 --> 00:03:33,847 But I want it to be natural for you, 55 00:03:33,847 --> 00:03:36,569 even with things that matter. 56 00:03:36,569 --> 00:03:39,010 [Q.1] Yes, that is my problem. 57 00:03:39,010 --> 00:03:44,612 [Mooji] Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a problem for everybody. 58 00:03:44,612 --> 00:03:47,490 With things that don't matter, no problem. 59 00:03:47,490 --> 00:03:51,617 You don't even have to say, 'I'm going to be detached from that'. 60 00:03:51,617 --> 00:03:55,228 You don't even have to say that. You don't have to think. 61 00:03:55,228 --> 00:03:58,648 You're just senses, eyes, life. You meet these things. 62 00:03:58,648 --> 00:04:02,200 Nothing. Just move through them. You retain your peace. 63 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:06,589 But about the things that you say matter, and what makes them matter? 64 00:04:06,589 --> 00:04:10,450 Let's slow down a bit and say, what makes some things matter? 65 00:04:10,450 --> 00:04:14,335 It's an open question. 66 00:04:14,335 --> 00:04:17,160 Why do they matter? 67 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:23,772 Some relationship, some concepts like, 68 00:04:23,772 --> 00:04:26,640 'OK, this is family, this is my job, 69 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:30,042 this is my relationship'. And these things matter. 70 00:04:30,042 --> 00:04:33,209 So if somebody else's relationship is in problem, 71 00:04:33,209 --> 00:04:35,209 it's no problem for you. 72 00:04:35,209 --> 00:04:38,947 But if you have a relationship problem, it matters for you. 73 00:04:38,947 --> 00:04:41,849 So what is this thing that I'm talking about? 74 00:04:41,849 --> 00:04:43,849 'To observe with detachment.' 75 00:04:43,849 --> 00:04:46,914 It's just a little step further than what I say, 76 00:04:46,914 --> 00:04:50,146 you walk through, you're naturally detached anyway. 77 00:04:50,146 --> 00:04:54,232 What I'm asking about, learning to observe with detachment, 78 00:04:54,232 --> 00:04:58,499 is to bring that detachment ... 79 00:04:58,499 --> 00:05:02,007 Because whatever you see, nothing sticks actually. 80 00:05:02,007 --> 00:05:04,134 A natural thing. 81 00:05:04,134 --> 00:05:06,784 But when things matter, 82 00:05:06,784 --> 00:05:11,766 your relationship, what you want, your work and so on, 83 00:05:11,766 --> 00:05:15,525 it creates a structure in your mind 84 00:05:15,525 --> 00:05:19,460 and you have to take care of that. 85 00:05:19,460 --> 00:05:22,636 So, I'm not going into all of these things. 86 00:05:22,636 --> 00:05:27,769 I'm saying that, OK, what is attachment, is to ... 87 00:05:30,300 --> 00:05:36,827 I want you to be aware of a space within you, 88 00:05:36,827 --> 00:05:45,631 which is not changed by whatever is happening around you. 89 00:05:45,631 --> 00:05:50,320 It's alive. It's not dead, but it's not, 90 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:57,369 it's not attached to the outcome of things so deeply. 91 00:05:57,369 --> 00:06:01,871 I don't know if I'm putting it right. I'm trying to find an example. 92 00:06:04,311 --> 00:06:09,999 [Q.1] I feel like there is no space. It's just all mind and identity. 93 00:06:09,999 --> 00:06:12,679 [Mooji] Ok, if you are able to see mind, 94 00:06:12,679 --> 00:06:16,380 you must be looking from some place that's not mind. 95 00:06:16,380 --> 00:06:18,377 This is true for everybody. 96 00:06:18,377 --> 00:06:21,404 It's just you're not aware that it's like that. 97 00:06:21,404 --> 00:06:25,729 Actually, what I'm saying is actually so powerfully true for you, 98 00:06:25,729 --> 00:06:29,458 when you are aware of it. 99 00:06:29,458 --> 00:06:35,086 And largely, the teachings and the practice of what we do here 100 00:06:35,086 --> 00:06:38,547 is to make you more aware of something about you 101 00:06:38,547 --> 00:06:41,968 that you are not so aware of. For everybody, you see. 102 00:06:41,968 --> 00:06:46,100 And because we're not aware in the place that you should be aware 103 00:06:46,100 --> 00:06:48,269 of your inmost being ... 104 00:06:48,269 --> 00:06:51,024 You can't see that. 105 00:06:51,024 --> 00:06:54,517 That's the other thing. Everything else you can see. 106 00:06:54,517 --> 00:06:57,773 Every relationship, every object you can see. 107 00:06:57,773 --> 00:07:00,840 Every thought you can remember, you can think. 108 00:07:00,840 --> 00:07:02,866 They are all called 'other'. 109 00:07:02,866 --> 00:07:06,036 Everything you can see. 110 00:07:06,036 --> 00:07:08,572 But your Self you cannot see! 111 00:07:08,572 --> 00:07:10,640 [M.] Do you get that? [Q.1] Yes. 112 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:15,219 [M.] You can say, 'Oh, this is my body. This is my ring. 113 00:07:15,219 --> 00:07:17,492 This is my house. This is my car.' 114 00:07:17,492 --> 00:07:20,704 'My, my, my. This belongs to me.' 115 00:07:20,704 --> 00:07:23,896 'My, my, my.' Everything belongs to you. 116 00:07:23,896 --> 00:07:27,838 'This is my family. This is my mother. This is my house. 117 00:07:27,838 --> 00:07:32,340 This is my country. This is my passport. This is my birth certificate.' 118 00:07:32,340 --> 00:07:35,441 All 'my', meaning they belong to you. 119 00:07:35,441 --> 00:07:41,846 But can you say, This is my, 'my'? This is my, 'me'? 120 00:07:41,846 --> 00:07:44,820 You can't say, 'This is my, me'. Why? 121 00:07:48,130 --> 00:07:51,001 [Q.1] Because I cannot see this. 122 00:07:51,001 --> 00:07:54,155 [M.] Yes, yes. So because you can't see it, 123 00:07:54,155 --> 00:07:58,232 [M.] does it mean it's not there? [Q.1] No. 124 00:07:58,232 --> 00:08:01,205 [M.] Right. So there's something in the world, 125 00:08:01,205 --> 00:08:04,760 everything you can see, but something you cannot see. 126 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:08,246 Everything you can see, but something you cannot see. 127 00:08:08,246 --> 00:08:12,794 And yet you cannot deny that it is real, isn't it? 128 00:08:12,794 --> 00:08:14,789 You know you are. 129 00:08:14,789 --> 00:08:17,792 Now, I'm going to zoom in a little bit closer 130 00:08:17,792 --> 00:08:21,698 in this feeling that, 'Yes, I know I am'. 131 00:08:24,919 --> 00:08:27,859 This thing which you cannot see, 132 00:08:27,859 --> 00:08:30,963 that you say, 'You know it is here', 133 00:08:30,963 --> 00:08:32,963 I mean, it's the first fact, 134 00:08:32,963 --> 00:08:36,566 because if it's not here, nothing else is here, isn't it? 135 00:08:36,566 --> 00:08:39,496 [Mooji] But it cannot be seen, yeah? 136 00:08:41,050 --> 00:08:44,491 OK, so we are back to this point. 137 00:08:44,491 --> 00:08:48,073 Everything you can see, everything; 138 00:08:48,073 --> 00:08:52,339 your thoughts, feelings, 139 00:08:52,339 --> 00:08:55,789 objects, people, your feelings, 140 00:08:55,789 --> 00:08:58,038 all of these things, you can see. 141 00:08:58,038 --> 00:09:04,237 You can even see the quality of your sight, isn't it? 142 00:09:04,237 --> 00:09:07,384 So if you went to the optician and he said, 143 00:09:07,384 --> 00:09:10,811 'Could you tell me something, why you come here?' 144 00:09:10,811 --> 00:09:16,503 You said, 'Actually, I'm not able to see or focus on things so well'. 145 00:09:16,503 --> 00:09:19,120 He said, 'In both eyes?' 146 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,019 You said, 'No, no, in the right eye'. 147 00:09:22,019 --> 00:09:24,047 'OK, tell me something.' 148 00:09:24,047 --> 00:09:28,907 You said, 'In the left eye, I can see maybe 80% of what it should be, 149 00:09:28,907 --> 00:09:31,675 but in the right eye it's like about 50'. 150 00:09:31,675 --> 00:09:37,566 So something must be seeing sight, isn't it? 151 00:09:37,566 --> 00:09:41,200 The capacity is there. You don't have to ask anybody. 152 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,665 You can see, yes, something is aware 153 00:09:43,665 --> 00:09:48,555 that even the sight is not functioning well. 154 00:09:48,555 --> 00:09:52,501 So something must be behind even the sight. 155 00:09:52,501 --> 00:09:55,505 OK? 156 00:09:55,505 --> 00:09:59,665 You are also aware of feelings, 157 00:09:59,665 --> 00:10:03,538 emotion, sense of time. 158 00:10:03,538 --> 00:10:06,636 If somebody said, 'Yesterday something happened', 159 00:10:06,636 --> 00:10:08,830 you are aware of what that means. 160 00:10:08,830 --> 00:10:12,230 Everything you are aware of. Everything you can see. 161 00:10:12,230 --> 00:10:16,040 [M.] But your Self, can you see? [Q.1] No. 162 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,510 [Mooji] Why? 163 00:10:19,510 --> 00:10:21,510 Your body you can see. 164 00:10:21,510 --> 00:10:23,510 Your body you can see. 165 00:10:23,510 --> 00:10:27,252 You can see your smile. You can see your body. 166 00:10:27,252 --> 00:10:31,778 You can see everything. But your Self? 167 00:10:31,778 --> 00:10:36,677 [M.] Is seeing your body [seeing] your Self? [Q.1] No. 168 00:10:36,677 --> 00:10:39,459 [Mooji] Why not? 169 00:10:43,658 --> 00:10:46,955 [Q.1] Because something is aware of the body. 170 00:10:46,955 --> 00:10:49,691 [M.] Yes, something is aware of the body. 171 00:10:49,691 --> 00:10:53,310 That something which is aware of the body cannot be seen. 172 00:10:53,310 --> 00:10:56,034 [M.] You're saying that, no? [Q.1] Yeah. 173 00:10:57,796 --> 00:11:01,093 [M.] Can it see sickness? 174 00:11:01,093 --> 00:11:04,505 It can know, 'I'm not feeling well'. 175 00:11:04,505 --> 00:11:07,206 'I'm not feeling ...' It knows emotion. 176 00:11:07,206 --> 00:11:10,865 'I'm feeling a little a bit uncomfortable.' 177 00:11:10,865 --> 00:11:14,298 It sees everything. But itself it cannot see. 178 00:11:14,298 --> 00:11:17,728 You are saying that, no? Yeah. 179 00:11:17,728 --> 00:11:22,540 Why can it see everything, but it cannot see itself? 180 00:11:26,795 --> 00:11:29,484 [Q.1] This I don't know. 181 00:11:31,588 --> 00:11:33,593 [M.] This which cannot ... 182 00:11:33,593 --> 00:11:37,968 You can see everything, but you cannot see your Self. 183 00:11:37,968 --> 00:11:42,235 This which you cannot see, yet you cannot deny, 184 00:11:42,235 --> 00:11:45,570 this is your Self. 185 00:11:52,359 --> 00:11:55,953 Everything you can see, your feelings, thoughts, 186 00:11:55,953 --> 00:12:00,491 and the function of intellect. 187 00:12:00,491 --> 00:12:02,666 Everything you can see. 188 00:12:02,666 --> 00:12:06,959 But that which is seeing them, you say, 'I can see'. 189 00:12:06,959 --> 00:12:11,248 It's sort of, the word 'I' which represents this thing, 190 00:12:11,248 --> 00:12:14,378 but it cannot be seen. 191 00:12:14,378 --> 00:12:16,929 Even your mother can come and say, 192 00:12:16,929 --> 00:12:19,220 'Darling, it's nice to see you'. 193 00:12:19,220 --> 00:12:23,462 [M.] What is the 'you' that she is seeing? [Q.1] The body. 194 00:12:23,462 --> 00:12:29,964 [M.] The body. And she's seeing her affection, her memory of you. 195 00:12:29,964 --> 00:12:32,160 All this she puts to be you. 196 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,999 'Darling, it's so nice. Where have you been? 197 00:12:34,999 --> 00:12:37,326 I haven't seen you for a long time.' 198 00:12:37,326 --> 00:12:41,640 So whatever someone says, 'It's good to see you. Where you've been?' 199 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:45,773 'You put on or lost some weight', all of this is to do with what? 200 00:12:45,773 --> 00:12:49,330 [Q.1] Our appearance. [M.] Your form and appearance, OK. 201 00:12:49,330 --> 00:12:51,909 [Mooji] So, can she see you? 202 00:12:51,909 --> 00:12:54,536 Can you see 'you'? 203 00:12:54,536 --> 00:12:58,411 Is that scary? 204 00:12:58,411 --> 00:13:03,529 [Q.1] No, it's not scary, but it's ... 205 00:13:03,529 --> 00:13:06,879 Something is missing, or feels like ... 206 00:13:06,879 --> 00:13:11,635 [Mooji] OK, take a moment and think about what's missing. 207 00:13:16,183 --> 00:13:20,370 You cannot see your true Self. 208 00:13:20,370 --> 00:13:25,241 I also cannot see my true Self. 209 00:13:25,241 --> 00:13:27,410 Why? 210 00:13:27,410 --> 00:13:31,015 Because it's not an object. 211 00:13:31,015 --> 00:13:35,617 It's not even a thought. 212 00:13:35,617 --> 00:13:40,159 [Q.1] But you say to stay as this. But ... [Questioner 1 laughs] 213 00:13:40,159 --> 00:13:44,743 [M.] Well. OK. OK, thank you. I say to stay as this. Why? 214 00:13:44,743 --> 00:13:50,703 Because, first of all, you imagine something else to be yourself. 215 00:13:50,703 --> 00:13:54,888 You call yourself a woman, a daughter, you are from this country. 216 00:13:54,888 --> 00:13:58,187 'My parents, I am ...' Whatever. Like this. 217 00:13:58,187 --> 00:14:04,226 So we are used to associating some quality that represents you. 218 00:14:04,226 --> 00:14:09,143 But really, you are earlier than this, in the purity. 219 00:14:09,143 --> 00:14:12,263 The one that is aware, that says ... 220 00:14:12,263 --> 00:14:14,357 You're talking on the phone, 221 00:14:14,357 --> 00:14:18,040 'I'm 27 years old. I have got two children. 222 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,377 I'm married. I live in this place.' 223 00:14:20,377 --> 00:14:25,237 That one, is what? 224 00:14:25,237 --> 00:14:27,880 [Q.1] The person. [M.] It's the person. 225 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:33,133 [M.] The person and the Self, the true Self, is it the same thing? 226 00:14:33,133 --> 00:14:35,151 [Q.1] No. 227 00:14:35,151 --> 00:14:39,695 [M.] Does that bring a feeling of discomfort? 228 00:14:42,288 --> 00:14:45,206 [Q.1] No. [M.] No. No. 229 00:14:45,206 --> 00:14:48,759 [M.] Because there's nothing you've to do to know that. 230 00:14:48,759 --> 00:14:50,758 Something knows. 231 00:14:50,758 --> 00:14:54,572 Yet most people in the world have not even looked like this. 232 00:14:54,572 --> 00:14:57,110 They have not even thought about this, 233 00:14:57,110 --> 00:15:00,777 because your world starts with your person. 234 00:15:00,777 --> 00:15:03,619 If I employ you, I look at you, I interview, 235 00:15:03,619 --> 00:15:05,622 I say, Tell me about yourself. 236 00:15:05,622 --> 00:15:08,138 You say, 'I studied this in university. 237 00:15:08,138 --> 00:15:11,565 I lived in South Africa for a while. I've travelled.' 238 00:15:11,565 --> 00:15:14,113 Information. Information cannot be you. 239 00:15:14,113 --> 00:15:16,414 It's about your person. 240 00:15:16,414 --> 00:15:22,080 Which is, what is the person? 241 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,330 [Q.1] This identity is the person. [M.] Yes, yes. 242 00:15:25,330 --> 00:15:28,910 [M.] Can you see the identity person? 243 00:15:28,910 --> 00:15:32,539 [Q.] Yeah. [Mooji] What does it look like? 244 00:15:34,832 --> 00:15:38,610 [Q.1] Some tightness, some attachment. [Mooji] Yes. 245 00:15:38,610 --> 00:15:41,172 [M.] Attachment. [Q.1] To ideas. 246 00:15:41,172 --> 00:15:46,138 [Mooji] Yes. Attachment to some ideas, OK? 247 00:15:46,138 --> 00:15:50,354 But the person is also an idea. 248 00:15:50,354 --> 00:15:54,750 [Q.1] This is the problem, because it really feels real. So, yeah. 249 00:15:54,750 --> 00:15:59,589 [M.] Because it is the feeling 'I' in you, 250 00:15:59,589 --> 00:16:04,616 this 'I', it says, 'I see, I think, I ...' Da, da, da. 251 00:16:04,616 --> 00:16:06,614 Who is the 'I' that thinks? 252 00:16:06,614 --> 00:16:11,789 We are not sure if it's the person or the real Self? 253 00:16:11,789 --> 00:16:16,618 'I want.' 'Yes, I know.' 254 00:16:16,618 --> 00:16:20,090 Who is the 'I' that knows? 255 00:16:20,090 --> 00:16:23,878 Is it personal or impersonal? 256 00:16:23,878 --> 00:16:28,313 [Q.1] Personal. [Mooji] It's personal. OK, good! 257 00:16:28,313 --> 00:16:33,330 [Mooji] What sees it is impersonal? 258 00:16:33,330 --> 00:16:37,109 [Q.1] I don't know what. I know something is seeing but ... 259 00:16:37,109 --> 00:16:41,233 [M.] Yes. It's the same answer. You've given the answer already. 260 00:16:41,233 --> 00:16:43,596 It cannot be seen. 261 00:16:43,596 --> 00:16:47,460 So, this is the most important discovery, 262 00:16:47,460 --> 00:16:52,229 because until you really realise this and know this, 263 00:16:52,229 --> 00:16:56,097 you take yourself to be an object, perceiving another object. 264 00:16:56,097 --> 00:17:00,116 The object being your person. And it's OK, it's OK. 265 00:17:00,116 --> 00:17:04,172 God made it like that. That we would also be projected 266 00:17:04,172 --> 00:17:07,941 into the world of thought, and feeling and association, 267 00:17:07,941 --> 00:17:10,870 and say, 'This is me'. For a while. 268 00:17:10,870 --> 00:17:15,748 But with this 'I', that works as the person, 269 00:17:15,748 --> 00:17:21,136 its world and itself are never stable, 270 00:17:21,136 --> 00:17:25,120 because it has an identity. 271 00:17:25,120 --> 00:17:30,144 Is the identity of the person always stable? No, no. 272 00:17:30,144 --> 00:17:35,560 But it tries with everything to share that it is stable. 273 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:39,809 Because stable means, it's wise, it's real. 274 00:17:39,809 --> 00:17:44,200 It's dependable. It's consistent. 275 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,960 I'm just talking this through. 276 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,651 But I'm pointing to a deeper knowing behind this person, 277 00:17:50,651 --> 00:17:56,240 that knows the person, that sees the person. OK? 278 00:17:56,240 --> 00:18:00,439 That which is aware of the person, you are with me? 279 00:18:00,439 --> 00:18:04,567 Is it attached to the person, or is the person attached to it? 280 00:18:04,567 --> 00:18:07,367 Take a moment. 281 00:18:11,048 --> 00:18:15,679 [Q.1] It is not attached. [Mooji] Not attached. 282 00:18:15,679 --> 00:18:19,390 [M.] Does it suffer from not being attached? 283 00:18:19,390 --> 00:18:23,744 [Q.1] No. [Questioner 1 laughs] 284 00:18:23,744 --> 00:18:27,806 [M.] But I had to question you, for you to recede to that place, 285 00:18:27,806 --> 00:18:31,000 to say, 'It's not attached'. 286 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,771 Because where we are functioning, normally, 287 00:18:33,771 --> 00:18:37,597 is from the identity of the person, which is attached. 288 00:18:37,597 --> 00:18:40,040 Which likes and dislikes. 289 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,392 Who wants and doesn't want. 290 00:18:42,392 --> 00:18:44,782 Who thinks this and thinks that. 291 00:18:44,782 --> 00:18:49,619 And very much is in the function of perceiving and living, no? 292 00:18:49,619 --> 00:18:53,851 So, what I'm sharing is that, that's OK. 293 00:18:53,851 --> 00:19:00,491 But if you only are aware of yourself as a person, with its world, 294 00:19:00,491 --> 00:19:05,210 you will never be totally happy. Because it's not stable. 295 00:19:05,210 --> 00:19:09,217 Today, 'Ah, I'm so happy. I'm so ... Oh, so wonderful!' 296 00:19:09,217 --> 00:19:12,452 Tomorrow I see you ... [Mooji imitates struggling] 297 00:19:12,452 --> 00:19:15,899 I see you. I say, Mia, what's up? 298 00:19:15,899 --> 00:19:18,541 'It's OK, I don't want to talk about it.' 299 00:19:18,541 --> 00:19:22,190 [M.] Who is it, who is speaking? Person, no? [Q.1] Yes. 300 00:19:22,190 --> 00:19:24,354 [M.] What does the Self say? 301 00:19:24,354 --> 00:19:27,556 What does the real Self [say]? 302 00:19:27,556 --> 00:19:30,317 [Mooji] Is it important at all? [Q.1] No. 303 00:19:30,317 --> 00:19:33,586 [M.] No. Is the Self important? [Q.1] No. 304 00:19:33,586 --> 00:19:36,064 [M.] It's not important? OK. [Q.1] No. 305 00:19:36,064 --> 00:19:39,791 [M.] Does that mean it's no good? It's not significant? 306 00:19:39,791 --> 00:19:43,960 The Self is not important? It's not important? 307 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,471 OK, so what's the purpose of it existing then? 308 00:19:47,471 --> 00:19:51,024 If other things after it are important, like the person; 309 00:19:51,024 --> 00:19:54,835 personal identity is important, personal world is important, 310 00:19:54,835 --> 00:19:57,034 personal attachment is important. 311 00:19:57,034 --> 00:20:02,324 But the one before all of this comes, which cannot be removed, 312 00:20:02,324 --> 00:20:06,572 can the Self be killed? No. 313 00:20:06,572 --> 00:20:10,090 And you say, I'm quite liking it, actually, 314 00:20:10,090 --> 00:20:13,544 'It's not important'. OK? 315 00:20:16,524 --> 00:20:20,710 [Mooji] What is important? 316 00:20:20,710 --> 00:20:25,525 [Q.1] I feel this exercise is important to do. [Mooji] Yes. 317 00:20:25,525 --> 00:20:29,660 [Mooji] Why is it important, the exercise? 318 00:20:33,735 --> 00:20:36,751 [Q.1] To stabilise in this. [Mooji] Yes. 319 00:20:36,751 --> 00:20:41,035 [Mooji] Is it the Self, the inmost Self, that has to stabilise, 320 00:20:41,035 --> 00:20:43,518 or something else has to stabilise? 321 00:20:43,518 --> 00:20:46,929 [Q.1] Something else. [Mooji] Right. 322 00:20:46,929 --> 00:20:51,884 [Mooji] Why does it need to stabilise, the something else? 323 00:20:51,884 --> 00:20:57,532 [Q.1] Because ... Not to get pulled into identity. 324 00:20:57,532 --> 00:21:04,262 [M.] Yes. What is it that gets pulled into identity, is it the Self? 325 00:21:04,262 --> 00:21:07,867 [Q.1] Attention. [M.] Attention. Attention gets pulled. 326 00:21:07,867 --> 00:21:11,798 [Mooji] So attention is very important. [Q.1] Yes. 327 00:21:11,798 --> 00:21:15,952 [Mooji] When the attention gets pulled into identity, 328 00:21:15,952 --> 00:21:18,522 what knows it most deeply; 329 00:21:18,522 --> 00:21:25,223 the attention, the mind, the person, or the inmost Self? 330 00:21:25,223 --> 00:21:28,682 [Q.1] The Self. The inmost Self. [Mooji] The Self. 331 00:21:28,682 --> 00:21:32,103 [Mooji] Does it suffer? [Q.1] No. 332 00:21:32,103 --> 00:21:34,807 [Mooji] No. Still it's important, 333 00:21:34,807 --> 00:21:39,320 because every time the attention goes out and forgets itself, 334 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:43,268 [M.] it forgets where it comes from. [Q.1] Yeah. [laughs] 335 00:21:43,268 --> 00:21:45,870 [M.] Every time the attention goes out, 336 00:21:45,870 --> 00:21:50,431 gets involved in its projections, it causes some pain. 337 00:21:50,431 --> 00:21:53,250 It creates a kind of a world, 338 00:21:53,250 --> 00:21:55,207 it creates emotion, 339 00:21:55,207 --> 00:21:58,490 it creates ups and downs, like this. 340 00:21:58,490 --> 00:22:01,319 And something is troubled by that. 341 00:22:01,319 --> 00:22:04,937 [M.] Maybe the person is troubled by that. [Q.1] Yes. 342 00:22:04,937 --> 00:22:08,478 [M.] And in our world, everything is due to the person. 343 00:22:08,478 --> 00:22:11,777 It's the person that takes another person to court. 344 00:22:11,777 --> 00:22:15,660 It's the person that wins or loses. What about the Self? 345 00:22:18,498 --> 00:22:22,187 [Q.1] Nothing. [laughs] [M.] Is it important to know this? 346 00:22:22,187 --> 00:22:24,273 [Q.1] Yeah. [M.] Yeah. 347 00:22:24,273 --> 00:22:26,600 [M.] OK, so when we speak about ... 348 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,387 I'll come back to your letter now. 349 00:22:29,387 --> 00:22:36,024 You say, 'I don't know how to observe with detachment'. 350 00:22:36,024 --> 00:22:40,776 Does the Self need to know, how to observe with detachment? 351 00:22:40,776 --> 00:22:45,179 [Questioner shakes head, no] [Mooji] Why? 352 00:22:45,179 --> 00:22:47,259 [Q.1] It doesn't need anything. 353 00:22:47,259 --> 00:22:50,286 [Mooji] It doesn't need anything. 354 00:22:50,286 --> 00:22:54,110 Yet everything is known to it. 355 00:22:54,110 --> 00:22:57,950 The play of the mind, or 'Da-da-da-da', it knows, 356 00:22:57,950 --> 00:23:02,847 [Mooji] but it's not impacted upon. [Q.1] No. 357 00:23:02,847 --> 00:23:08,134 [M.] There is a link between the sense of the person and the inner Self. 358 00:23:08,134 --> 00:23:10,147 [Q.1] Yes. [Mooji] Yes. 359 00:23:10,147 --> 00:23:14,673 [M.] When the person, who cannot exist without the inner Self, 360 00:23:14,673 --> 00:23:22,919 when it gets into states of confusion and pain, 361 00:23:22,919 --> 00:23:26,794 if it doesn't realise its root as the inner Self, 362 00:23:26,794 --> 00:23:30,470 [M.] it goes floating off and trouble can come. [Q.1] Yes. 363 00:23:30,470 --> 00:23:33,574 [M.] Mental problems can come. Sickness can come. 364 00:23:33,574 --> 00:23:36,417 Anger can come. Fear comes. Everything comes. 365 00:23:36,417 --> 00:23:38,446 So it's very important, 366 00:23:38,446 --> 00:23:41,858 that this personal sense becomes aware of its root. 367 00:23:41,858 --> 00:23:45,886 [Q.1] Yes, and when I try to do this exercise, [M.] Yes. 368 00:23:45,886 --> 00:23:50,032 [Q.1] I cannot come to this. [M.] Who is doing the exercise? 369 00:23:50,032 --> 00:23:54,084 [Q.1] Yes, it's the mind and the person. [M.] The mind is doing. 370 00:23:54,084 --> 00:23:57,950 [Q.1] And the one who wants to stop suffering. [M.] Right. 371 00:23:57,950 --> 00:24:01,099 [Mooji] What knows this? 372 00:24:03,982 --> 00:24:05,986 What is aware of this? 373 00:24:05,986 --> 00:24:08,562 Is it the person-mind or the inner Self? 374 00:24:08,562 --> 00:24:12,300 [Q.1] The inner Self. [M.] Yes. Is the inner Self troubled? 375 00:24:12,300 --> 00:24:14,345 [Q.1] No. 376 00:24:14,345 --> 00:24:18,862 [M.] Still, the exercise is good, because this is the real yoga. 377 00:24:18,862 --> 00:24:22,156 Yoga means the coming together into oneness, 378 00:24:22,156 --> 00:24:28,966 where the sense of the person has to rediscover its root. 379 00:24:28,966 --> 00:24:31,159 The person cannot live by itself. 380 00:24:31,159 --> 00:24:34,682 Even when it's not aware of the Self, 381 00:24:34,682 --> 00:24:37,688 it still comes from the Self. 382 00:24:37,688 --> 00:24:43,070 So largely the human expression of the consciousness self 383 00:24:43,070 --> 00:24:46,518 is self-aware as a person. 384 00:24:46,518 --> 00:24:50,244 And so it can go on for lifetimes, in the human lifetime, 385 00:24:50,244 --> 00:24:53,787 living the person, because it's a big world, its dreams, 386 00:24:53,787 --> 00:24:58,312 and 'I've to go do this, I like this, I don't like that', and da da da. 387 00:24:58,312 --> 00:25:00,317 Maybe life after life. 388 00:25:00,317 --> 00:25:04,176 'This life I love, I love ice cream. I'd die for ice cream.' 389 00:25:04,176 --> 00:25:06,565 Next life, 'I can't stand ice cream'. 390 00:25:06,565 --> 00:25:08,895 There's nothing consistent about it. 391 00:25:08,895 --> 00:25:13,110 Except that it cannot exist without the real Self. 392 00:25:13,110 --> 00:25:16,113 And it has intelligence also. 393 00:25:16,113 --> 00:25:21,630 So, when it happens to this personal self, 394 00:25:21,630 --> 00:25:25,321 for some reason, it's being attracted to find out that. 395 00:25:25,321 --> 00:25:27,715 Maybe it suffers enough in the world 396 00:25:27,715 --> 00:25:31,493 and it wants to find a solution for it. 397 00:25:31,493 --> 00:25:37,266 And the only solid solution is to discover where it comes from, 398 00:25:37,266 --> 00:25:42,296 and that where it comes from and itself, are one. 399 00:25:42,296 --> 00:25:44,718 That's what the search of life is. 400 00:25:44,718 --> 00:25:48,970 Because all beings who are not aware of this oneness with the Self, 401 00:25:48,970 --> 00:25:51,363 all of them suffer. 402 00:25:51,363 --> 00:25:54,650 All have problems. Do you see? 403 00:25:54,650 --> 00:25:58,837 So this is the purpose of our satsang, 404 00:25:58,837 --> 00:26:03,506 is that the consciousness, in the form of a person, 405 00:26:03,506 --> 00:26:05,788 becomes attracted to its root, 406 00:26:05,788 --> 00:26:09,557 and not just attracted to the world in front of it. 407 00:26:09,557 --> 00:26:12,815 And so this exercise, like detachment, 408 00:26:12,815 --> 00:26:15,081 meaning that whatever is going on, 409 00:26:15,081 --> 00:26:19,527 to go in the world, to do, the this, and the self-image, 410 00:26:19,527 --> 00:26:21,907 self-image, self-assessments, 411 00:26:21,907 --> 00:26:25,853 all of this is a play of the mind, 412 00:26:25,853 --> 00:26:28,975 is playing these mind states, no? 413 00:26:28,975 --> 00:26:35,647 And it has to realise that all states are changeful, OK? 414 00:26:35,647 --> 00:26:37,755 And that it can witness them, 415 00:26:37,755 --> 00:26:40,955 it can observe them, without being them. 416 00:26:40,955 --> 00:26:43,535 In fact, you can only observe something, 417 00:26:43,535 --> 00:26:46,050 because you are not it, actually. 418 00:26:46,050 --> 00:26:49,224 And that there is a capacity, 419 00:26:49,224 --> 00:26:54,089 even in the person, to observe, 420 00:26:54,089 --> 00:26:59,107 and in observing them it knows that it's not them. 421 00:26:59,107 --> 00:27:03,717 And that characteristic is like its parent. 422 00:27:03,717 --> 00:27:08,162 You see, the person, the characteristic of looking and realising that, 423 00:27:08,162 --> 00:27:14,685 'Whatever I see is only an impression, a thought, a feeling, 424 00:27:14,685 --> 00:27:19,109 but it's not what I am'. That's called 'awakening'. 425 00:27:19,109 --> 00:27:21,240 It's waking up to the fact that, 426 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,164 nothing out here that comes through the mind or the senses, 427 00:27:25,164 --> 00:27:27,972 nothing of there can be fundamental to me. 428 00:27:27,972 --> 00:27:30,051 All of it is changing. 429 00:27:30,051 --> 00:27:36,066 And even myself as the person who is looking and knowing this, 430 00:27:36,066 --> 00:27:40,391 is like on the verge of this way - world, 431 00:27:40,391 --> 00:27:43,270 this way - into the abyss of the Self. 432 00:27:43,270 --> 00:27:46,196 Because it has a capacity that when it looks, 433 00:27:46,196 --> 00:27:51,887 and it's not identified with what it sees, or what it experiences, OK? 434 00:27:51,887 --> 00:27:56,405 And each thing comes like, life is saying, 'This thing and this thing'. 435 00:27:56,405 --> 00:28:00,215 And it's saying, 'No, it's not this. What I am is not this.' 436 00:28:00,215 --> 00:28:02,247 As you keep doing that, 437 00:28:02,247 --> 00:28:07,488 it naturally comes back to its original Self-awareness. 438 00:28:07,488 --> 00:28:10,723 And I say, Self-awareness, non-dual Self-awareness, 439 00:28:10,723 --> 00:28:15,582 like not one thing, not a divided union, but a harmony. 440 00:28:15,582 --> 00:28:17,716 It comes back into realising, 441 00:28:17,716 --> 00:28:21,908 'But here, nothing is happening to me'. 442 00:28:21,908 --> 00:28:24,980 When I go into the mind, into identity, 443 00:28:24,980 --> 00:28:27,575 then happenings become relevant. 444 00:28:27,575 --> 00:28:32,971 But if I even can observe and be aware of even my person, 445 00:28:32,971 --> 00:28:37,849 which is like, my person is like the ... 446 00:28:37,849 --> 00:28:43,188 What you call this? The binoculars that see the world, OK, 447 00:28:43,188 --> 00:28:45,410 but the person who sees the world 448 00:28:45,410 --> 00:28:48,298 is also seen from the place of the Self. 449 00:28:48,298 --> 00:28:54,050 When it knows this, it's coming back into conscious harmony. 450 00:28:54,050 --> 00:28:56,813 That's all the thing of detachment is. 451 00:28:56,813 --> 00:29:00,936 You don't have to kill anything. It's just understanding. 452 00:29:00,936 --> 00:29:04,934 The realisation of the Self is a journey of understanding, 453 00:29:04,934 --> 00:29:08,939 and understanding your misunderstanding. So it's simple. 454 00:29:08,939 --> 00:29:12,940 Unless we get it, it might seem, 'It's the most complex thing'. 455 00:29:12,940 --> 00:29:15,525 Why? Because you're not used to doing it. 456 00:29:15,525 --> 00:29:18,872 Each one is used to looking forward, looking outward. 457 00:29:18,872 --> 00:29:23,078 Even sometimes when you think we're looking inward into our mind, 458 00:29:23,078 --> 00:29:25,592 it's still outward from the inner Self. 459 00:29:25,592 --> 00:29:28,076 [Q.1] Yes, and this happens a lot, 460 00:29:28,076 --> 00:29:33,439 because I go in and then it's the body. I cannot go beyond. 461 00:29:33,439 --> 00:29:36,802 [M.] Yes. Or the body-mind. You are in the body-mind. 462 00:29:36,802 --> 00:29:39,784 But something behind that knows this thing. 463 00:29:39,784 --> 00:29:44,439 The mind cannot make an ultimate realisation 464 00:29:44,439 --> 00:29:48,294 without becoming the realisation. 465 00:29:48,294 --> 00:29:53,785 The mind or the person cannot come to ultimate realisation 466 00:29:53,785 --> 00:29:57,245 and remain independent of that realisation. 467 00:29:57,245 --> 00:30:02,017 The more it becomes aware, the more it finds that it Is. 468 00:30:02,017 --> 00:30:04,587 Not that it has. 469 00:30:04,587 --> 00:30:08,432 And this is a very significant thing. 470 00:30:08,432 --> 00:30:11,263 Nobody can have the realisation 471 00:30:11,263 --> 00:30:13,657 and be somebody who has realisation. 472 00:30:13,657 --> 00:30:17,256 What it means is that, the idea of yourself 473 00:30:17,256 --> 00:30:21,365 as being only the person, subsides again, and is seen, 474 00:30:21,365 --> 00:30:26,190 it is seen as also the most subtle object. 475 00:30:26,190 --> 00:30:31,100 This subtle object of a person is behaving like a subject, 476 00:30:31,100 --> 00:30:34,164 and that everything in its world is the object. 477 00:30:34,164 --> 00:30:38,187 But to the Self, it also is the first object. 478 00:30:38,187 --> 00:30:44,619 The first object shines as this feeling 'I', 'I am here'. 479 00:30:44,619 --> 00:30:47,275 You know, 'Mia!' 'Yes, I'm here.' 480 00:30:47,275 --> 00:30:49,339 What does it mean, 'I am here'? 481 00:30:49,339 --> 00:30:53,033 The reference normally is, 'Look, I'm over here'. 482 00:30:53,033 --> 00:30:55,103 And this is OK, this is normal. 483 00:30:55,103 --> 00:30:59,090 This is the only place where language can exist, in that way. 484 00:30:59,090 --> 00:31:01,952 The language is for the sense of the person 485 00:31:01,952 --> 00:31:06,813 having relationship with what it likes or dislikes. OK? 486 00:31:06,813 --> 00:31:10,337 Actually, there's nothing wrong with this, ultimately. 487 00:31:10,337 --> 00:31:13,555 Because even as you wake up again to realise that, 488 00:31:13,555 --> 00:31:16,486 whatever happens, it's seen from this place. 489 00:31:16,486 --> 00:31:18,654 But this place cannot be seen, 490 00:31:18,654 --> 00:31:23,728 and that I can only really be this place. 491 00:31:23,728 --> 00:31:27,722 Then when you really know this, the dynamic expression of this, 492 00:31:27,722 --> 00:31:31,196 which is like of being a person, that can still play, 493 00:31:31,196 --> 00:31:34,650 but it won't have that delusion in it. 494 00:31:34,650 --> 00:31:38,654 [Q.1] Yes. This delusion has to go. 495 00:31:38,654 --> 00:31:42,015 [Mooji] No, it needs to be understood. [Q.1] Yes. 496 00:31:42,015 --> 00:31:44,978 [M.] It doesn't need to go. Why it needs to go? 497 00:31:44,978 --> 00:31:48,015 Because you are combining it with your identity 498 00:31:48,015 --> 00:31:50,339 and it hurts like, 'No, no, no, no'. 499 00:31:50,339 --> 00:31:53,504 But all this now, you're going to see all of this 500 00:31:53,504 --> 00:31:56,450 are constructs of the mind. 501 00:31:56,450 --> 00:32:00,114 And even the self is just a psychological portrait 502 00:32:00,114 --> 00:32:03,136 of the mind, of the person. 503 00:32:03,136 --> 00:32:07,698 But the inner being, which has no shape, you can't identify and say, 504 00:32:07,698 --> 00:32:11,023 'Ah, I found the inner being'. You cannot do that. 505 00:32:11,023 --> 00:32:16,170 Because anything you can do that with, is an object in the perception. 506 00:32:16,170 --> 00:32:18,172 [Q.1] Yes. 507 00:32:18,172 --> 00:32:20,909 [Mooji] You got it, isn't it? [Q.1] Yes. 508 00:32:20,909 --> 00:32:25,198 [Mooji] OK. So, prove your problem. Go on. 509 00:32:25,198 --> 00:32:28,196 [silence] 510 00:32:41,723 --> 00:32:45,963 [M.] You need to sit with this, more and more. [Q.1] Yes. 511 00:32:45,963 --> 00:32:48,421 [M.] Because it's like shape shifting. 512 00:32:48,421 --> 00:32:50,680 One minute you think you're looking 513 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,650 and the next minute you're involved, invested. 514 00:32:53,650 --> 00:32:55,650 [Q.1] Yes. 515 00:32:55,650 --> 00:32:58,043 [M.] OK. Don't get angry about this, 516 00:32:58,043 --> 00:33:02,290 because it's been happening for lifetimes. 517 00:33:02,290 --> 00:33:04,481 So, let it happen, it's OK. 518 00:33:04,481 --> 00:33:08,284 Just keep seeing, but wait a minute, this can be seen also. 519 00:33:08,284 --> 00:33:13,974 The most intimate is also an object of perception. 520 00:33:13,974 --> 00:33:18,257 The most intimate, because 'intimate' means at least two. 521 00:33:18,257 --> 00:33:22,230 If there's not two, there's no intimate. 522 00:33:27,757 --> 00:33:33,897 Can you be confused, 'you', in the light of what I'm sharing? 523 00:33:33,897 --> 00:33:36,575 [Q.1] No, no. [Mooji] Thank you. 524 00:33:36,575 --> 00:33:39,877 [M.] But you can be aware of confusion. [Q.1] Yes. 525 00:33:39,877 --> 00:33:44,459 If you can be aware of confusion without identifying with confusion, 526 00:33:44,459 --> 00:33:47,357 are you cheating? 527 00:33:47,357 --> 00:33:49,943 [Q.1] No, no. [laughs] 528 00:33:52,194 --> 00:33:54,609 [M.] Very good. 529 00:33:56,652 --> 00:34:01,560 So let's start again from the beginning. What is your problem? 530 00:34:09,455 --> 00:34:13,263 [Q.1] That when I do this exercise, 531 00:34:13,263 --> 00:34:16,273 I believe I need to find something. 532 00:34:16,273 --> 00:34:18,678 [Mooji] 'I' being what? 533 00:34:18,678 --> 00:34:21,384 [M.] Qualify your status. [Q.1] The person. 534 00:34:21,384 --> 00:34:23,450 [M.] When you do the exercise? 535 00:34:23,450 --> 00:34:26,272 When the person does the exercise, OK. 536 00:34:26,272 --> 00:34:31,116 There is another word for person in this exercise, 537 00:34:31,116 --> 00:34:33,983 I would call it, 538 00:34:33,983 --> 00:34:42,174 when the personalised intelligence of the truth, 539 00:34:42,174 --> 00:34:48,004 when the personal intelligence of God 540 00:34:48,004 --> 00:34:52,261 gets confused with its projections, 541 00:34:52,261 --> 00:34:54,704 then it's like, it's lost to itself. 542 00:34:54,704 --> 00:34:56,918 It's like it's lost to itself. 543 00:34:56,918 --> 00:35:01,859 When that loss to itself becomes painful, 544 00:35:01,859 --> 00:35:05,322 you are on the brink of awakening. 545 00:35:05,322 --> 00:35:07,533 Do you understand? 546 00:35:07,533 --> 00:35:10,051 Because if you're not troubled by it, 547 00:35:10,051 --> 00:35:12,151 then you will not go beyond it. 548 00:35:12,151 --> 00:35:17,012 [Q.1] Yes, when it's just pain, pain, pain. [laughs] 549 00:35:17,012 --> 00:35:20,423 [M.] 'No pain, no gain,' they say. [Questioner laughs] 550 00:35:20,423 --> 00:35:22,419 You have to ... 551 00:35:22,419 --> 00:35:27,992 It's like, in a way, you are giving birth to yourself. 552 00:35:27,992 --> 00:35:31,161 [Q.1] Because I sit and I do, 553 00:35:31,161 --> 00:35:35,773 but I feel like there is no result. Then I give up and come back. 554 00:35:35,773 --> 00:35:39,441 [M.] You, again, who is sitting and looking, is what? 555 00:35:39,441 --> 00:35:42,670 [Q.1] The person. [both laugh] 556 00:35:45,088 --> 00:35:48,511 [M.] Does it matter that we're catching it like that? 557 00:35:48,511 --> 00:35:50,509 That it's the person doing it, 558 00:35:50,509 --> 00:35:53,277 and that what the person cries about today, 559 00:35:53,277 --> 00:35:56,697 laughs about another moment. That it's not consistent. 560 00:35:56,697 --> 00:36:00,760 And even if it says, 'Eureka, I found the Self!' Can it be true? 561 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,354 [Q.1] No. [Mooji] No. Why not? 562 00:36:03,354 --> 00:36:06,219 [Q.1] Because it cannot be seen. 563 00:36:06,219 --> 00:36:10,172 And if it lends to some illusion of ... 564 00:36:10,172 --> 00:36:13,890 [M.] So then what's the practice for? 565 00:36:18,065 --> 00:36:27,694 [Q.1] To become aware of all these ... 566 00:36:27,694 --> 00:36:31,788 Wrong ideas. 567 00:36:31,788 --> 00:36:34,381 [M.] Yes, that's one way we can put it. 568 00:36:34,381 --> 00:36:37,410 Tell me another way we can put it. That's good. 569 00:36:37,410 --> 00:36:41,214 I take that, to become aware of all these kind of little, 570 00:36:41,214 --> 00:36:46,723 all these little kind of distortions of understanding, 571 00:36:46,723 --> 00:36:50,990 to become aware of them. But more subtle than that. 572 00:36:50,990 --> 00:36:56,578 By becoming aware of them, you become aware of what? 573 00:36:56,578 --> 00:37:01,612 [Q.1] Of that which is seeing. [Mooji] Is seeing, yeah. 574 00:37:01,612 --> 00:37:04,182 [M.] How can you become, 575 00:37:04,182 --> 00:37:06,918 can you be aware of it phenomenally? 576 00:37:06,918 --> 00:37:09,733 Can you become aware of it phenomenally? 577 00:37:09,733 --> 00:37:11,829 [Q.1] No. [Mooji] No. 578 00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:15,318 [Mooji] So therefore, you become aware of what? 579 00:37:15,318 --> 00:37:20,605 [Q.1] It feels like it's just moments of this awareness. 580 00:37:20,605 --> 00:37:24,796 [M.] Yeah. It will flicker before, because you're not used to it. 581 00:37:24,796 --> 00:37:27,211 The reflex is used to going out 582 00:37:27,211 --> 00:37:30,957 and connecting with objects of projections and perception. 583 00:37:30,957 --> 00:37:34,175 You're used to that. But now I'm asking you to ... 584 00:37:34,175 --> 00:37:38,105 All this is happening for everyone. And even the one who says, 585 00:37:38,105 --> 00:37:41,661 'But this is happening to me and I find it frustrating!' 586 00:37:41,661 --> 00:37:44,301 What I'm asking you to do is to see that, 587 00:37:44,301 --> 00:37:47,882 that also is an aspect of the mind. 588 00:37:47,882 --> 00:37:50,061 But all of these aspects, 589 00:37:50,061 --> 00:37:54,128 they came originally from out of this projection, forward. 590 00:37:54,128 --> 00:37:56,601 [M.] Can you see? [Q.1] Yeah. 591 00:37:56,601 --> 00:38:06,362 [M.] Yeah. And that the real opportunity is in seeing this. 592 00:38:06,362 --> 00:38:11,471 But still something is feeling, 'No, but mind is still troubling'. 593 00:38:11,471 --> 00:38:15,362 No, don't worry. It's troubling who? 594 00:38:15,362 --> 00:38:19,990 Who is the mind troubling? 595 00:38:19,990 --> 00:38:23,992 [M.] We can say together after three: 1, 2, 3 ... [Q.1] No one. 596 00:38:23,992 --> 00:38:27,230 [M.] The person. Oh, no one! Oh, you beat me to it! 597 00:38:27,230 --> 00:38:31,092 It's troubling no one! It's troubling no one. 598 00:38:31,092 --> 00:38:36,058 That's a better answer than the person. Do you see this? 599 00:38:36,058 --> 00:38:38,373 [Q.1] Yeah. [Mooji] OK. 600 00:38:40,509 --> 00:38:43,760 [Mooji] So now what? 601 00:38:47,393 --> 00:38:51,130 It's enough or not enough? 602 00:38:54,348 --> 00:38:57,325 [Q.1] I don't know. 603 00:38:57,325 --> 00:39:02,820 [M.] Who is saying? Who is ...? Where is this answer coming from? 604 00:39:06,861 --> 00:39:10,558 I can accept it, or I can question it, 'I don't know.' 605 00:39:10,558 --> 00:39:14,873 'I', who don't know? 606 00:39:14,873 --> 00:39:18,712 [Q.1] It's the person. [Mooji] It's the person. 607 00:39:18,712 --> 00:39:21,861 [Mooji] Yeah, sure? [Q.1] No. [laughs] 608 00:39:21,861 --> 00:39:23,928 [M.] It can be from the person. 609 00:39:23,928 --> 00:39:26,248 If you say it's from the person, OK, 610 00:39:26,248 --> 00:39:29,118 then I would say, You give me one more move. 611 00:39:29,118 --> 00:39:34,197 But what's aware that it's coming from the person? 612 00:39:34,197 --> 00:39:39,421 [Q.1] Yes. Something feels like, it's not satisfied, 613 00:39:39,421 --> 00:39:45,310 but I should not go after this. 614 00:39:45,310 --> 00:39:49,129 [Mooji] Yes, yes. This is a powerful seeing, 615 00:39:49,129 --> 00:39:51,612 'Something feels not satisfied'. 616 00:39:51,612 --> 00:39:54,379 That which feels not satisfied, 617 00:39:54,379 --> 00:39:57,267 is it personal or impersonal? 618 00:39:57,267 --> 00:40:00,494 [Q.1] It's personal. [Mooji] Personal. 619 00:40:00,494 --> 00:40:04,501 [M.] You see, if that gets you each time, like the person goes, 620 00:40:04,501 --> 00:40:07,972 'Yes, I know Guruji, but you know, I can't get ...' 621 00:40:07,972 --> 00:40:10,508 [M.] Who is speaking? [Q.1] The person. 622 00:40:10,508 --> 00:40:12,593 [M.] Yeah. [Q.1] Yeah. 623 00:40:12,593 --> 00:40:15,260 [M.] So we will finish on that note? 624 00:40:15,260 --> 00:40:21,140 [Q.1] Uh, person? No. [laughs] [M.] Thank you. OK. Where? 625 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:33,508 [Mooji] What does finish mean? 626 00:40:33,508 --> 00:40:37,880 [Q.1] Just this conversation. Finish the conversation. 627 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:43,619 [M.] The conversation can finish in its oral manifestation. 628 00:40:43,619 --> 00:40:46,546 It may go to be some kind of little stuff 629 00:40:46,546 --> 00:40:49,820 in the mind that feels like, 'Yeah, I don't know. 630 00:40:49,820 --> 00:40:53,010 I had a talk with Mooji, and it was really clear, 631 00:40:53,010 --> 00:40:55,952 but now it's not clear.' Is a report from? 632 00:40:55,952 --> 00:40:58,233 [Q.1] The mind. [M.] From the mind. 633 00:40:58,233 --> 00:41:01,906 [Mooji] And is that ultimate? [Q.1] No. 634 00:41:01,906 --> 00:41:06,324 [Mooji] No. What is ultimate? 635 00:41:06,324 --> 00:41:09,572 [Q.1] That which is aware of this. 636 00:41:09,572 --> 00:41:12,027 [Mooji] Yes, yes. 637 00:41:12,027 --> 00:41:15,589 Which is where? 638 00:41:15,589 --> 00:41:18,665 [Q.1] It's nowhere. 639 00:41:18,665 --> 00:41:22,770 [Mooji] Why are you smiling? [Questioner laughs] 640 00:41:28,425 --> 00:41:34,004 [Mooji] So, do you have a problem? 641 00:41:34,004 --> 00:41:37,388 [Q.1] No. [both laugh] 642 00:41:37,388 --> 00:41:42,674 [M.] Can you, from this place of answering, ever have a problem? 643 00:41:42,674 --> 00:41:45,288 [Q.1] No. No. 644 00:41:50,917 --> 00:41:55,849 [Mooji] Are you sad or happy about this? 645 00:41:59,536 --> 00:42:02,536 [Q.1] Nothing. [Mooji] Very good. 646 00:42:04,706 --> 00:42:09,119 [M.] More subtle than even happy. 647 00:42:13,275 --> 00:42:16,829 [Mooji] Yeah. We're good? 648 00:42:19,388 --> 00:42:22,853 If you go walking and the mind comes again and says, 649 00:42:22,853 --> 00:42:26,847 'I can't remember anything about that'. 650 00:42:26,847 --> 00:42:31,293 'I'm going to try and see if I can get that mood back.' Was it a mood? 651 00:42:31,293 --> 00:42:33,991 [Q.1] No. [M.] It's not a mood. 652 00:42:33,991 --> 00:42:36,605 [M.] Can you lose this? 653 00:42:38,460 --> 00:42:40,470 [Q.1] No. [M.] No. 654 00:42:42,216 --> 00:42:46,201 [M.] Can you possess this? [Q.1] No. 655 00:42:49,399 --> 00:42:52,549 [M.] Very good. 656 00:42:56,226 --> 00:42:58,935 [M.] I'm happy. Very good. 657 00:42:58,935 --> 00:43:02,676 So, the rest I don't have to read, no? 658 00:43:02,676 --> 00:43:06,346 'I don't know how to be aware, that I am aware.' 659 00:43:06,346 --> 00:43:08,843 [Questioner laughs] 660 00:43:08,843 --> 00:43:14,674 "I still see this 'I'-identity as real. Please help, Mia." 661 00:43:14,674 --> 00:43:17,013 [M.] Do we need? [Q.1] No. 662 00:43:17,013 --> 00:43:21,799 [M,] Very good. Can I keep it? [Q.1] Yes. I mean, throw it. 663 00:43:21,799 --> 00:43:25,857 [M.] Throw it, keep it. I'm happy you're like this. It's good. 664 00:43:25,857 --> 00:43:31,245 [Q.1] You don't need to keep it. [M.] Because this is ... [the letter] 665 00:43:31,245 --> 00:43:37,149 I call it an auspicious reaching out to clarify something. 666 00:43:37,149 --> 00:43:42,040 And to that extent, it's very ... 667 00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,051 I mean, it's not a game. 668 00:43:45,051 --> 00:43:50,494 We can say it is like a game, but it's not a cynical game. 669 00:43:50,494 --> 00:43:57,189 It's, you may say, a game or a play or, 670 00:43:57,189 --> 00:44:02,096 something that needs to happen 671 00:44:02,096 --> 00:44:06,318 to the human expression of consciousness, 672 00:44:06,318 --> 00:44:11,045 when it comes to a stage where its world is not working. 673 00:44:11,045 --> 00:44:14,092 And I don't see that as a disaster. 674 00:44:14,092 --> 00:44:17,944 I see it as an opportunity to look behind the scene. 675 00:44:17,944 --> 00:44:23,011 [Q.1] Yes, yes. I want to take every opportunity to look. 676 00:44:23,011 --> 00:44:26,709 [M.] OK. Now? Right now? 677 00:44:26,709 --> 00:44:30,605 [Q.1] Always, yes, now. [M.] Yes. OK. 678 00:44:30,605 --> 00:44:33,864 [M.] Do you need to look further now? 679 00:44:33,864 --> 00:44:36,793 [Q.1] I can do, yes. [Mooji] Yes. 680 00:44:36,793 --> 00:44:40,270 [M.] Yes. Good. [Q.1] Yes, yes. [laughs] 681 00:44:40,270 --> 00:44:44,349 [M.] Thank you. Very good. 682 00:44:47,738 --> 00:44:50,775 And you don't need to talk to anybody about it. 683 00:44:50,775 --> 00:44:53,779 Just you sit with that, and watch. 684 00:44:53,779 --> 00:45:00,599 And however tricky the mind can be, you remember, it is secondary. 685 00:45:00,599 --> 00:45:03,950 That which is primary, is seeing that. 686 00:45:03,950 --> 00:45:08,403 And the mind can come in the form of thought or moods or sensation, 687 00:45:08,403 --> 00:45:10,686 it can appear like confusion, 688 00:45:10,686 --> 00:45:16,112 it appears as identity, but it's still only appearing. 689 00:45:16,112 --> 00:45:19,658 [M.] Can the Self appear? [Q.1] No. 690 00:45:19,658 --> 00:45:21,663 [Mooji] No. 691 00:45:21,663 --> 00:45:26,489 So it causes the appearing of the mind play and the diversity, 692 00:45:26,489 --> 00:45:31,210 but it itself is indescribable, actually. 693 00:45:34,406 --> 00:45:37,956 So at this point I would say, sit and contemplate that. 694 00:45:37,956 --> 00:45:41,261 [Q.1] Yes. [M.] Yes. That's all you have to do. 695 00:45:41,261 --> 00:45:47,229 You see, it sounds as though from what you write, somebody might think, 696 00:45:47,229 --> 00:45:49,671 'Wow, I feel she's in real trouble'. 697 00:45:49,671 --> 00:45:52,194 But for me, I say, what an opportunity, 698 00:45:52,194 --> 00:45:55,281 I got to find out from you, we can look together. 699 00:45:55,281 --> 00:45:58,750 And it's all in you. It's all you. 700 00:46:02,066 --> 00:46:04,064 Very good. 701 00:46:05,506 --> 00:46:08,920 Would you like some tea, or get something? Are you OK? 702 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,632 [Q.1] I think there's food waiting for me. 703 00:46:11,632 --> 00:46:14,212 [M.] Go and eat the food now, it's cold. 704 00:46:14,212 --> 00:46:18,339 That's the only food that's worth eating cold right now. 705 00:46:18,339 --> 00:46:23,729 Thank you. Wonderful, darling. Thank you, thank you, thank you. 706 00:46:23,729 --> 00:46:28,153 [Q.1] Thank you. [M.] Yes. See you in a bit. 707 00:46:28,153 --> 00:46:32,400 [M.] OK. OK. [Q.1] Thank you. 708 00:46:37,531 --> 00:46:41,176 [Mooji] If you are earnest, you can walk the same road. 709 00:46:41,176 --> 00:46:43,729 It's fresh every time. 710 00:46:46,846 --> 00:46:50,790 [Questioner 2] Babaji, this thing that something was missing, 711 00:46:50,790 --> 00:46:53,310 [Q.2] people brought to you many times, 712 00:46:53,310 --> 00:46:55,309 [Q.2] 'Yes, I do the exercise, 713 00:46:55,309 --> 00:46:58,219 everything's great, but something is missing'. 714 00:46:58,219 --> 00:47:00,857 And there was a moment when I recognised, 715 00:47:00,857 --> 00:47:05,039 'Oh, wow, I have this thought'. I really needed to look into that. 716 00:47:05,039 --> 00:47:08,776 And it came to me, that due to the habit of having a shape, 717 00:47:08,776 --> 00:47:13,297 it's as though something is looking for the shape within the shapeless. 718 00:47:13,297 --> 00:47:16,647 And this gives you an idea that something is missing. 719 00:47:16,647 --> 00:47:19,744 And then, another thing that you keep telling us, 720 00:47:19,744 --> 00:47:22,465 'Can you bear your own emptiness?' 721 00:47:22,465 --> 00:47:27,051 And it's like, it just clicked in a different way. 722 00:47:27,051 --> 00:47:30,184 That it's not bothersome anymore when it comes. 723 00:47:30,184 --> 00:47:35,059 [M.] We are used to possessing some phenomenal gain. 724 00:47:35,059 --> 00:47:38,287 We say, 'Yes, but something is missing'. 725 00:47:38,287 --> 00:47:43,062 Sometimes I might put it ... 726 00:47:48,787 --> 00:47:54,761 What is saying that something is missing? 727 00:47:54,761 --> 00:48:00,966 And, you know, we are in a kind of 'end of game' moment. 728 00:48:00,966 --> 00:48:02,998 'The mind?' OK. 729 00:48:02,998 --> 00:48:07,206 What is seeing the mind, saying something is missing? 730 00:48:07,206 --> 00:48:09,572 'Oh, I can't see that.' 731 00:48:09,572 --> 00:48:12,973 Does that mean, it doesn't exist? Do you see? 732 00:48:12,973 --> 00:48:15,073 'I', who can't see it? 733 00:48:15,073 --> 00:48:20,060 Even the one who is saying, 'I can't see it', is also seen from it. 734 00:48:20,060 --> 00:48:22,798 [M.] But this, we come to something .... 735 00:48:22,798 --> 00:48:25,638 [Friend] Could you say that again? [M.] What? 736 00:48:25,638 --> 00:48:28,668 [M.] Even the one who is saying, 'I can't see', 737 00:48:28,668 --> 00:48:30,668 what is seeing this? 738 00:48:30,668 --> 00:48:32,916 Is itself seen, in this. 739 00:48:32,916 --> 00:48:35,524 But there is something that feels like, 740 00:48:35,524 --> 00:48:39,979 'I need a concrete conclusion'. 741 00:48:42,448 --> 00:48:49,287 And any concrete conclusion is also just phenomenal. 742 00:48:49,287 --> 00:48:52,962 And this is why I say, You cannot bear your own emptiness. 743 00:48:52,962 --> 00:48:57,967 Because something is relying on a trophy. 744 00:48:57,967 --> 00:49:02,291 But both the trophy and the one gaining it, aren't real, either. 745 00:49:02,291 --> 00:49:04,308 Like this. 746 00:49:04,308 --> 00:49:09,888 So it can look like, it's kind of mental, OK? 747 00:49:09,888 --> 00:49:14,109 It's like the sword of wisdom can look like, 748 00:49:14,109 --> 00:49:17,699 'Hmmm, but it's made out of cardboard'. 749 00:49:17,699 --> 00:49:23,573 It doesn't matter what it thinks, but, yes ... 750 00:49:25,618 --> 00:49:32,536 This is the heart of Advaita contemplation! 751 00:49:32,536 --> 00:49:35,184 It is the ... 752 00:49:38,568 --> 00:49:42,200 There is no next, after this. 753 00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,533 Do you understand? Unless we go out. 754 00:49:44,533 --> 00:49:48,297 Which is fine, but go out after! 755 00:49:48,297 --> 00:49:50,924 When you go out during, when we are looking, 756 00:49:50,924 --> 00:49:54,638 something wants to escape. OK, that's fine, it's OK. 757 00:49:54,638 --> 00:49:58,910 Is that you? You say, 'Kind of ...' 758 00:49:58,910 --> 00:50:02,527 Because you're used to this being also mind, and ... 759 00:50:02,527 --> 00:50:05,721 [M.] So anyway, we can just stop there. [F.] Yes. 760 00:50:05,721 --> 00:50:08,698 [M.] Yes, the axe has fallen. 761 00:50:08,698 --> 00:50:12,187 But the head is talking. 762 00:50:12,187 --> 00:50:14,887 [laughter] 763 00:50:14,887 --> 00:50:19,444 Yes, the axe has fallen, but the head is talking. 764 00:50:27,155 --> 00:50:30,562 Copyright 2025 Mooji Media Ltd. All Rights Reserved. 765 00:50:30,562 --> 00:50:33,491 No part of this recording may be reproduced 766 00:50:33,491 --> 00:50:36,570 without Mooji Media Ltd.'s express consent.